The Emperors Edgelords: Raven Guard | Ep.97

I'm isander and I'm and today we are going to be going over the winners The Raven guard the Raven guard oh yeah they snuck it in they literally snuck the white scars ran right into a trap they're gone I'm joking I'm joking we are now in the losers bracket and so you have the choice of the white scars the ab humans Caiaphas Kane and the Dark Eldar those are your four options sound off in the comments uh the other one will be stuck in the losers bracket fighting for their lives the losers losers bracket yeah I think I think I'm going to have a rule three times if you wind up in the losers bracket three times that's it you're done you're finished you're going somewhere else you clearly need a minute to cool off but those are the options the white scars the abhumans the dark elar and kayys Cane so sound off in the comments on the video you want made as always you know all the stuff the machine Gods like subscribe you know we we are but humble servants to the omnissiah and if you want a 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and a fullblown silver back walks through the stage and these people are just passing the ball passing a ball passing the ball you're so busy counting the passes that you miss the Silverback that just walked past no if I remember correctly it was like people in red morph suits and people in like uh blue it's been done every color and they're just like okay count how many times the ball gets passed to someone in blue and you're like okay so I'm got to pay attention to every single blue person they're all shifting around guy miss the dude in a gorilla costume just like he's like literally he's doing a little diddy he's just like if I remember correctly he does like the full like chest beat and then like leaves but regard we'll put we'll put some beer roll up of that but regardless it's kind of like that yeah where he he could sort of Fade Away into the background however for the rest of the Raven guard the best way to paint a picture of how subtle they are is to bring back back the greatest of all time from retirement the one the only poor stoe yeah that's right uh he's back he didn't get eaten by pterins exactly except poor sto is a planetary governor in charge of the planet and he has decided to fall to chaos this time things are going great he's a traitor now yeah he's a traiter now oh that's unfortunate yeah he's going to go through several things in life people like him so it is unfortunate for him regardless he falls for chaos hook Clin and sinker does the whole full nine yards I'm talking refuses to pay his taxes starts putting up Effigies stops showering if it nurgle starts doing the unthinkable of its slash to be fair he was if I remember correctly he was still doing the unthinkable yeah pretty much but so he's doing the whole nine and he's also Shoring up defenses because he knows for a fact that his planet is a important and B the Imperium does not like it when you skimp on taxes you do not mess with the IRS and so any minute now the god Emperor Sons will be here so we need to brace for it and so they brace and so they prepare and so they have a bunch of chaos cultist it's a whole thing the planet turns effectively and nothing happens nothing no drop pods from space no glorious no no big violence no orbital ofit nothing no 40,000 warhammers and they no and they should have been here by now the word has spread it should be D so where is everybody right you spend the time H he spends the time hunkering down even further reinforcing his walls just getting prepared and one day as poror stou is making the rounds suddenly three of the four major walls explode all in sync suddenly all the citizens who you thought were falling for chaos and it's great it's fantastic we're on the same page a huge chunk of them have taken up arms and are leading fights in your streets oh and this isn't oh haha they have picked up their brooms and they're sharpening them no how do they have Imperial weaponry and how did their aim get that much better yeah so we've got like full-on Minutemen coming out of the out of uh-huh okay full-blown civilian militia a well-regulated militia is what happens okay yeah yeah okay and and that is before we even get to the fact that you have a command strong you know you have you have meetings you have people you trust in you have a hierarchy I am in charge of this and then he reports to me onwards and upwards and onwards and upwards and they have all died they have all died and been ripped apart are we sure I'm not dealing with night Lords here no no no no I'm not sure ripped apart ripped apart not flayed okay big difference big big difference right regardless okay this is bad this is bad but I can fix this I'm the guy in charge thinks poor stoe and so he radios in call in an air strike it doesn't work it doesn't work nope somehow all the ammunition is missing and the guns jammed I was going to say did he not have enough kills for the streak no oh somehow it just doesn't work and his Communications are jammed and this keeps happening over and over and over everything is sabotaged how are they every wear all at once and then and only then do you see a large man wearing a jet pack and Wolverine claws leading the charge and then emo cut oh yeah oh well the emo cat comes in later because now that your anti-air defenses are uh destroyed and your air strikes are destroyed a bunch of ships full of Space Marines arrive now here comes the drop pods and the violence all playing numb and they proceed to win the day at a startling speed speed is not their Forte per se however when you have a jetpack attached to you of course you're going to go a little bit faster than you normally able to go yeah and that's that's what a raven guard really Insurrection is the best word for it looks like because that's how they fight I mean it's very clandestine gorilla just like okay let's get this all started and then they set up all the pieces and the plan to get everything down it's it's very much the gorilla Warfare Playbook where you are winning because you know the lay of the land and you have the people's hearts but they do not know the lay of the land as it turns out their Scouts arrived ages ago and have just been quietly mapping it out their Scouts were there before you were there just in case somebody might set up there and be a traitor oh one of my favorite stories is how uh there are these people who are being just beaten back by Orcs and there is this woman who does not give up hope and keeps on sending out messages praying for the Raven guard to arrive specifically or his Ravens and everyone is like you look if Space Marines were real they would have come by now were boned just accept it and she keeps praying every single night and then suddenly a military cuz military grade is not the right word but clearly a military stamped package arrives full of Provisions at the front of the cave they're hiding in no alarm just they woke up one morning it's just like oh and they're there wow look at this that's the kind of stuff the Raven guard do it's so neat because they there is the the stealth aspect there's a little bit of speed but then there's also they will genuinely work hard to get ingratiated with the people there and then train and equip them to become this horrifying fighting force and if not that give them Gifts of provision while they're sleeping no I mean they just have to if if I'm not training you I just need you to live long enough for me to deal with the problem and so you need food medicine oh that arrived this just in Santa Claus is a raven guard Space Marine if he was ever any chapter if he was ever any chapter he'd be a raven guard now what is he preparing us for it gives a whole new meaning to the war on Christmas uh it's either that or Santa's an ultramarine because just the logistics of getting everywhere come on but bar that it would work with the whole elf situation yeah oh dear bar that yeah he's he's that's that's a very good example of the ravenguard but you know if Santa was Wolverine they're not patricians they're not we lead through planetary reform no that's your job no no no no no you have a despit I will deal with the despit and then you have to figure it all out after I'm a really good assassin that's what I do you will figure it out afterwards yeah and this has always been in their core every every every Space Marine Legion has a a thing at their core that they are built around almost and this was the case for korax who landed on this tiny Moon that was orbiting a planet that was run by Rober Barons for lack of a better term just the super industrialist they R might not might makes right but net worth net worth net worth dictates your worth quite literally and so you would be worked to death and if that did not work then you would be moved to this Moon as a dissident eventually that level of efficiency and just labor exploitation really caught up with them and they stripped the planet clean this is something that can happen in 40K they're very efficient they have some crazy Tech yeah thankfully that prison Moon they happen to have has a ton of minerals and there's prisoners already there start strip mining that one while are while you're over there yep and more people are being sent there now for anything just because well now the moon needs labor so that's where they'd go uh thankfully a drop pod crashed there with a child inside wow thanks it's it's it's a kid it's the well actually the nice thing is the the prisoners those who are kept there against their will uh kept him hidden from the overseers because they thought well maybe let's not turn in kalal to the authorities you know that's not it it'd be equival I was going to say thato like that is making me realize that that story could have gone a whole lot differently but then again me mind exists we've explored this we know what happens yeah it's like if Martha Kent saw Superman's pod and called the feds and it's like oh let's not do that let's not do that just adopt him treat him as your kid I don't know just let's Superman no that's super weapon actually I I've always loved Red Sun Superman I haven't seen Red Sun Superman it is the Communist Party in Russia found him for I know what it is but I just he took up Stalin's beliefs and it leads to this really fun fun fun dichotomy where you have he's still the same person it's not Superman but frowny face it's still Clark but what he thinks is right is the state owning everything and only they can actually accurately distribute resources for all of you the peasantry and so he winds up fighting for that and I know I'm grossly oversimplifying communism that's not the topic of this video no stalinism whatever what matters is that is the belief system he happens to adopt the reason I love that version of Superman is the moment he's shown that this does not work specifically like the Stalin variant of it like the the the the Red Scare era he was raised in kind of ideals fall apart and he's shown the the truth justice and the American way he he he does renounce it and switch over to being the regular you know yellow red blue Superman we all know and love let just in Fates Fate's strings are just he is swn into America it's more he's swn into being the best like Clark is just a good goofy guy and that's a a thing a lot of Superman movies Miss is he's just a genuinely good person I mean that's the point of Superman is he's a guy if he wasn't super strong he would still go out of his way to help people he just happens to be super strong this is a guy who has described the whole world as feeling like cardboard around him and he just has to carefully modulate everything he does for every moment he's alive while he's interacting with everyone and sometimes everyone is trying to put him through a brick wall and kill his wife he's just a good person and that's why I love Superman a lot because you know not everyone can have both their parents slaughtered and still have a billion dollars to sit on comfortably go to go somewhere learn martial arts come back I am Vengeance not all of us have that but all of us can be good to the best of our abilities and some of us will be capable of being far more good because we have more abilities or more resources and some of us won't and that's fine and that's why I love Superman just be the best you can and then come home and like chill and watch Netflix with your wife Lois lay yeah and so corx is is a very similar situation to that where it's 40K it's going to get darker but it's 40K it's he's not going to get the whole truth justice let me just spoil that for you no the closest thing we have to that is Vulcan maybe maybe uh and so he's raised by these people and they give him the name corvis korax which in their language means deliverer or savior it's it's it's he's you can see okay okay we can't just have a different language for everything let's just make it so it just means Crow Crow I they wear what they are on the sleeve and that's why I love 40K corvas corvas corx is crowrow just he's Crow Crow okay MH and using that ability I mentioned way in the beginning of being visible but not like like the gorilla in that situation he's he's he was born the gorilla walking in the middle of the frame he sabotages prison Gates he stockpiles weapons he trains them up because you have to remember primarchs have a natural it's the same way everyone has a natural thing they click with for example you are much better about physics than I am and I'm slightly jealous it's very cool I am better about public speaking and that kind of thing we all have our own things that are personality Matrix allows us to click with and learn very quickly uh all the primarch have personality matrixes that usually make them very good at strategy different forms of strategy but usually a form of strategy they will almost come with from birth so he came with a few chapters from The Art of War around just leading a rebellion pretty much Gillman was given he was in he was born with the inborn ability to do the testudo formation and chorus korax is like I'm going to hit you really hard and then run away and then like two weeks later you're going to realize what I hit you with was a bomb and you're going to blow up your entire Armory by mistake yeah and that's exactly what happens smash cut he frees every single prisoner he causes this massive Uprising and I kid you not they happened to store nuclear weapons next to the maximum SEC security prison mine which he then gets his hands on so yeah so we're saying this is like John Brown on so many steroids and exposed to Lincoln Park yeah and right on Q the emperor arrives and sees dang okay you're doing great you are doing fantastic and this immediately endeared him to korax uh it also he also inherently trusted him a lot more than the other primarch right off the bat really uh he's one of the few who knew about chaos from the start mhm what did he just just like look out the window of his pod and go oh someone's carrying me somewhere no no the emperor just explained it to them oh like like the emperor trusted him with that knowledge and we're not sure why but he was trusted with it it just cuz why not okay exactly and the emperor got to see korax win uh free the people and the moon was renamed to Deliverance it's a really cool name it's a really come on come on Deliverance is just a cool name for anything yeah and um the overlords back home just became a compliant Forge World because it is what it is the Emperor is here now you don't get to be a robber baron he's the ultimate Robber Baron get bent I mean it's kind of that's kind of the point of the whole Crusade is I don't care what you think you have going on I have a much better idea you will join me or die you're you are me now thanks yes and if you're not me well well there is only me I'm sorry speaking of the emperor cuz only the primarch were stolen the legion stuck with him and so the Raven guard have always had the name of the Raven guard but under the emperor they were a bit meaner how so they were his gapo ah yes they were his secret poli police his eyes and ears he would try and negotiate with you and if that didn't work oh my God somebody broke into your home and killed you ah how did that happen so meticulously and and so that would always happen to everyone because you have to think about the level of coordination the emperor has to put forth for a war on a galactic scale on every possible front I don't have time for you to say no yeah yeah the real option is yes or mysteriously perish and then the next person better say yes we're on the same team because if you try to create another team oh God that's going to be such a hassle dude yep and so their tactics at this point were really a lot of infiltration uh a lot of deep deep deep cover work and then they would kill who they needed to in a very spectacular fashion usually they were they did not have their whole Deliverance aspect they did not have the whole fighting for the little man aspect that came when they met their Primark yeah before that they were pretty close to the night Lords honestly as far as as far as everything went they were just one shade off from the night Lords yeah and this is best exemplified by the fact that they had open air prisons for people prison camps it was really no nice way to put it the ravengard back in the day were not great uh they they have this belief where or they had this belief where once you beat someone you have to watch them like a hawk but they're not Hawks they're Raves Bird's a bird Bird's a bird doesn't matter and so the point is basically you have punched him in the face never expect a man to just lay there and take it which is a fair ethos the problem with that ethos is the result isn't lock him in your basement and watch him forever that's not that's the reason that ethos exists is because you want to think through things carefully you never want to take the path of most aggression with other people because it may come back to bite you someday and honestly wound someone's ego there's very little that can outo undo that well they really did read sunsu for this yeah CU that like almost directly follows the allegory of just like the general who like made it look like his fort was stocked with a full Army when it was just him in there yeah no it's the the the best way I've heard it described is the feet you step on today may be attached to the ass you have to kiss tomorrow so just be kind to people like really only take that aggressive of an approach if it is a the only way and B you can win by such a wide margin they do not stand a chance I'm talking the gap between you is incomprehensible like this is this is not Three Degrees of Separation this is not 6 de of Separation seven this is like 40° that to enough people that Gap closes because yeah you're Superior to person A and B and C and D all the way through z31 but are you Superior to all of them combined mhm no right uh the Raven guard's approach was just lock them up lock a through z31 and it's never a problem we just watch them listen listen if we commit violence on everyone they can't they can't return it back if we just put them away if we just yeah we just lock them away and watch them forever Horus Loved These Guys because they are they do win battles decisively and then they they hang on to the straggle they clean up afterwards it's fantastic it's so convenient and so his Legion would usually do the full frontal assault and man can you imagine how unpleasant it must be because every other Primark will out Fox you in some regard I cannot imagine cuz going against Horus feels like you're going against somebody who is materially superior I see him coming I've known he's coming I can't do anything about it and then the worst thing is ravengard now flank you so it's just like oh you are tra you are boxed yeah it wasn't great it was very mean actually Horus liked this from a tactical standpoint because it's the perfect yin to my yang it's great those guys were black Horus back in the day of War white it worked out great uh corx was not happy when he discovered this he is Mr Freedom he is Mr red white and blue b well black black and gray and so he actually wound up banishing a lot of the older Raven guard really yeah re like fullon just like get gone yeah there are multiple references to purges huh wow that's something we haven't covered yet he is a man of principles he fights for the little guy he was well he wasn't born under but he was he was raised under a very oppressive rule where people were worked to death with no choice he was on the sharp end of that stick always why would he want to be the one on the handle end of that stick exactly exactly he he sees himself as the Liberator as the deliverer as the Savior these people are who I would fight against normally I am not teaching them my ways I not having them under me get them out of here get them out of I don't think we've encountered a Primark yet or at least I haven't in the span of these videos who's done that there's there's a little bit of weed whacking that needs to happen all I assume I assume Gillan just for efficiency sake is just like no we have Perabo the decimation one in 10 yep yep yeah this is the first for no reason by the way no reason this is the first loyalist Primark then that we've seen to this yeah cuz I mean well Pabo was loyalist back then yeah but look at him but look at him you're looking at him now leave him alone he was trying his best uh so he took them over and he took them back to his uh old home of Deliverance and built a massive guard tow well he took over the Old Guard tower that was used to watch over the people there and renamed it to the Raven Spire dude he's so edgy I love I love it I love it I'm so glad I did not know about Warhammer 40K when I was 11 years old you would have loved it I would have been a totally different person you this this would have been your legion this would have been my Legion this would have been your leg my Legion uh the the whole cuz it was a massive industrialized planet um they they retooled it a little bit less mean it's still very efficient just no longer requires you to work till death no option and their main specialty was not creating special stealth gear for these Raven guards to use and they gave them really edgy names like the whisper cutter and the Shadow Hawk I mean I love them but everything in 40K wears its name on its sleeve yeah you see the ultramarines you see Gilman wearing a laurel wreath around his head with Caesar haircut you know what he's about and you immediately know ah yes guy guys juliia Caesar nice to meet you that that's what that is that's what that is they all wear I would say maybe preh heresy horse I'm surprised I said that right was the only one who didn't wear his stick on his sleeve cuz he just looks like a guy well even then I've seen art of like Horus preh heresy and he's like he's not bald um which instantly good sign but he's got the weird like eyeball on his chest still and he's got the weird like snake eyeball Motif all over him it's just like that that reads is evil he's not evil yet why is he but he's smiling yeah and that just makes it uncanny why are you smile at me anyway uh corvus also started taking an initiates from Deliverance and training them in his ways and they took to it immediately because they had fought under him they' already done this they've already done the song and dance it's how they it's how they won their freedom frankly and so he trained them up and this further caused a divide within his Legion because now the the earthborne ones that were still around were really feeling the difference because they were the hard problem children for lack of a better term and well D has his favorites now and so but they they they still some did adapt and fit in instead of becoming counterinsurgents they just became regular insurgents so you take everything you know and reverse it should should take yeah should take pretty naturally and uh to this day they still tend to use those style of tactics they don't use very heavy armored vehicles just is really hard to put like you can't R you can't wrap a tank in bubble wrap and have it be quiet yeah you can't you can't put pillows on each TR they're a little bit they're a little bit more subtle and refined when it comes to their TI like I've seen I've seen art of ravengard snipers yeah we don't see that in other allegion as much well and I love it because they have this they have this way of communicating in combat and the way they're described really sells it if you forget that they're massive men and huge armor just suspend disbelief with me because it's described as these figures slinking from Shadow to Shadow if you were not looking carefully it would look as if a breeze had just adjusted that area that's it when they're speaking they have such a way of doing it they have this weird sign language as well as just talking quietly enough that it sounds like it's the background noise that's an insane level of stealth and by the time you I mean I've seen I've seen the like hand signs like uh um battle sign language and other sci-fi which it's really cool I know exactly who did it but um the so quiet it sounds like the wind on the reads that's like it's so good so good it it makes you imagine a clearing you can just hear birds chirping water running leaves rustling in the wind maybe and then an8 foot tall man's bearing down on you and I promise you now you are not coping no you are not coping it is the school of stealth of you see them at the last moment you really drink in what it is but what can you do what can you do nothing my favorite thing my favorite thing my favorite thing is I just I'm a couple years late I just finally I'd like to add I just started playing Middle Earth shadow of war and my favorite thing is the fact that you can just be sprinting through like a city and then uh hit right trigger X and then stealth kill something it looking directly at you if if it's the same level of stealth of just like I saw him what could I do if you are parked at a red light and you see a man over 7 feet tall 3 feet wide running at you at the speed of you say Bolt he then proceeds to rip the passenger door off its hinges and reach a hand for your throat what are you doing you it may as well have been a snake attack what can you do I don't care if you you're not doing anything about it I do not care if you heard all of his armor clattering about you have about 15 seconds to process this and act there's nothing you're doing you're dead and so that that is 15 15 seconds is still pretty pretty generous and you're dead just door ripped off hinges dead immediately and so you may see them at the last moment it won't matter and you certainly will not see them this is something that is hard confirmed even though they're fairly easyish to spot in person once they're in an environment they pick up they pick it up very quickly they get a lay of the land very quickly and they disappear so you may be able to see a it's it's really funny actually because Envision Times Square and yeah I see the Raven guard right in front of me but now zoom out and try and find the Raven guard in that picture you're not it's really hard especially if you consider he's not out in the middle he's slinking off in the corner next to the construction overhang so you can't see his full size and you don't know where he is even then we couldn't logic where he'd be you know could be in one of the buildings aiming at his Target he's somewhere yeah he's moving from Shadow to Shadow and speaking in a way you can't tell him apart from the taxi cabs passing you by this is like this is like where's Waldo in the middle of Candy Cane Lane yeah I I where's Waldo but you have to find him before he finds [Laughter] you which would be a very fun game man somebody needs make that'd be a fun horror game cuz you you could SP imagine you're on Miami Beach playing first person and your job is to spot a guy wearing red Yow I mean red white red white red white and he looks very doofy and he's very tall and he has glasses on and you can't in time and that's the end of your story I would love that so much my favorite thing that I've seen this is a tiny side tangent my favorite thing that I I've seen is like a it's an old YouTube short I think I actually saw this on IUN back in like 2016 it's a dude who would buy where's Waldo books from bookstores go home and like perfectly cover up Waldo in different ways in the book no and then return the book to the bookstore he's ruined people do you know how stupid I'd feel staring at where Waldo for 4 hours I haven't found him yet and now I'm too invested this has been my whole day that that person has ruined lives marriages crushed yeah childhoods smashed if if I walked into my house and my kid was crying I can't find Waldo okay come here let me take a look here and I can't find him within like 10 minutes your wife gets home you were supposed to be preparing the casserole and that's the straw that breaks the camel's back no you if I couldn't find Waldo I'd say that's weird let's do this after dinner and then I'd shop Waldo in I can't be that stupid I I would I would make Waldo appear this is not an option I cannot be that publicly stupid in front of my own child no I I just imagine this person staring at a where's Waldo book time- lapse his life is falling apart around him and he's like old and grizzled and just like his face is starting to like cave in you can see bones through the skin and then he looks close enough at one section of the book and sees there's like a the thinnest slice of paper on the top of the page and he's just like taking an X-Acto Knife oh God oh God my life what have I done I need to call Martha back Martha's dead Martha thought anyway uh as as part of a compliment to their stealth Tendencies they tend to operate very independently uh you will not see these guys as a large army approaching rather there's a few there a few there a few there ideally you won't see them ideally you won't see them at all and it does help them disappear if there's a few there a few here a few there and they're all about Insurgency so you don't need too many of them you really don't need too many of them to cause a huge problem because again they don't have to in the war they just have to screw you over enough that you cannot afford it anymore it's it's a much harder game to beat insurgents than it is to be an insurgent and all of them follow this thing called the trifold Shadow path of Shadow which is basically Ambush stealth and vigilance and if you can master all three then you are guaranteed to win any battle you know I can see you before you arrive I can kill you before you arrive or you just won't see me yeah you're going to win most battles in that situation um most people are not good at all three and so usually like in the case of the patreon episode Shri he's really good at Ambush so he just stays in Ambush forever and it's you have to be truly exceptional to master all three obviously corx is exceptional he has mastered all three but that's just CU he's the the bar upon which everyone Compares themselves too he he probably developed all three yeah uh they also love jump packs because come on who does doesn't love jump packs dude yeah and uh they they they use them for hit and run tactics because again it works so well for them uh they also have their culture is worn on their sleeve I was not kidding when they have a lot of very edgy names their ranks are called the master of Shadows the shadow Masters which are different there are Shadow wardens Shadow Killers dark Fury assault squads deliverers the black Wings shadowborn ghost sters darkened blade whisper claws dur singers their weapons are called the blackout eban's claws Ravens Talons nihilus the Sable Trident it goes on and on and on you can tell what their gimmick is they are up there some of the Space Marines who commit the hardest of the bit and I cannot help but love it down to the emo haircut they have the full-blown bang down swoop the whole nine um they also do have a genetic flaw uh called the Sable brand or they call it going Ash blind and all sense of self-preservation goes out the window is this murderous ego death um not quite they have a very unstable geny they have very unstable blueprint uh and that does lead to them occasionally taking the approach taken by Insurgent groups of I will go down publicly and take all of you with me yeah and it is unpleasant to deal with they have a whole Wing it's called The Shadow killers of these guys who are afflicted by this and fun fact korax had a incredible hot streak against Gillan using them against yes because they they they used to play uh war games because Fair who better to train against you know iron sharpens iron and so they would war game against each other and corvis won I think twice in a row which is really rare for Gillan cuz his whole CU you beat me once I will fix it because Gillman has never accounted wanted for Space Marines who do not care about themselves that was not something he had mathed in he expected he always expected soldiers to at least somewhat care about their own lives not Fanatics and so it worked a few times and then Gilman fixed it Gilman patched that I mean that's what Gilman does yeah that's what he's best at is beat me once okay cool never again never again uh they also commit to the freedom gig a lot uh that it's called the deliverers they have weapons called the oppressors and and while the story I told in the beginning that did not happen to poor stouge they do do that there's a whole Wing called the darkened blades whose whole shtick is just to liberate oppressed worlds usually by training them up and then also helping them in every way possible and this is not just liberating from chaos controlled worlds if a gene stealer Cults taken over they will come deliver it if if the to have taken over you know taken over more just like hey guys do you want free trade or something I don't know that's still loss to the Imperium cannot be cannot be we will not cope with this uh or just if if it's you know the tyranids are bearing down and it's pretty much over they will they will Orcs too they they don't care what the problem is they care that there are people who are being held under something's thumb and they will stab the thumb poke the thumb yes um they will go through a bunch of training the usual Space Marine stuff with a very very heavy focus on being sneaky uh in fact one of the last tests they have to do is catch a small bird native to that planet and then immediately break its neck and they wear like little trophies you'll see them they have tiny bird charms all over them they are very bird themed yes uh and they are almost always short staffed not because of difficulty in training or because it kind of behooves them to not have too many but because of the heresy oh oh they they got pressed into a fine paste their their game is Insurgency in stealth Warfare gorilla Warfare I don't think Horus cared that was all out just War they could have been useful the problem is they were one of the legions on IST Von 5 and for those of you that don't know it is a horrific incident seven Legions Were Meant To Go Crush what they thought were four Trader Legions as it turns out three of those loyal Legions were Traders too and so quick Team Swap 7 to four in the worst possible Direction it leads to the meanest battle map in all of 40K one of the worst losses the Imperium has ever taken and multiple Legions being rent rendered useless and shattered yeah and the Raven guard were among them they didn't get a choice they did not get to sneak about they were just surrounded immediately they were and they had to fight in open combat they were put in a barrel it was the at least the salamanders are decent in open combat you know at least the the iron hands could cope they've augmented themselves enough this is really not the Raven cards Forte this is actively their weakest Point yeah they they're they're they're in the middle they're in the middle of a they're in a barrel and there is a spotlight shining into the bottom of that barrel and this is before we even get to the fact that they were always fairly short staffed because this was horus's favorite Legion they didn't happen to have a Primark at the time so they could take some devastating losses on his behalf and so he he did use them for tasks they were not good at resulting in them being really underst staffed even by the time corx arrived huh which only got worse by the time the whole heresy rolled around yeah yeah and so it is so awful that even the emperor can notice this and gives them him just a bunch of stalk and just you focus on getting back in this fight because you are irrelevant right now you are completely and utterly useless to me unless you get more people there is all of like 20 of you here please sit back and he does he prints out a ton a ton of them and the alpha Legion gets involved yeah wow yeah they really got hit with the onew punch yeah and so now that stock is Tainted with demon blood and so instead of Great Space Marines like batch one was you get slobbering gibbering and Howling monstrosities that chorus had to corvus had to take out with his own two hands and those were recruits from his home world oh who look to him as the deliverer yeah yeah yeah he had a rough rough ride a really rough go of it and it is at this point that he locked himself in the top of the Raven spire and said never more oh yeah there's a lot of Edgar Allen po yeah yeah oh oh it's great that is not a joke he just went off to somewhere that is the last thing we heard from him never more maybe he's bullying lurar that's it but yes his last never more and then he left and to be fair imagine that week oh that's the worst week of my life oh God my my my brother who I was always dubious about his turned traitor this is fine I have six of my other brothers here oh God they have I actually don't have six of my other brothers here and most of my sons have died before my very eyes oh great okay that's fine uh Dad how can I help out literally go away here's this stock go use it get your act together because you're worthless and so he does he gets his act together he prints out one batch great fantastic he like hey he grabs his drinking buddies and he's just like hey do you guys want to go gorilla with me yeah and then batch comes out and he has to kill them with his bare hands it's and this whole time by the way the heresy's Raging and he can't do a thing about it no so I kind of get why he just said never more and disappeared again probably bullying lorgar but we we'll we'll see in his episode yeah uh up until now the ravenguard are still pey relative to every other Legion makes sense they got hit with significant one two punch so tiny that when gilan decided we shall split the legions in a chapter so no one man ever has this much power again the ravengard didn't mind too much because a they were always fairly independent so cool we can this is whatever and B there's not that many of them it's not like the ultramarines where they have 500 successor chapters it was enough for maybe like one or two yeah just just a couple just a couple yeah a handful and for the most part they just get involved D in situations that most Marines would not bother with they deal with orc wws as they arrive I've decided not to shout w at full volume as you should instead channeling my inner David attenburrow W so the orc Wass from now on uh and he he will fight they that's what they tend to do in the modern lore a lot of it is actually focused on Orcs sometimes tyranids man is it funny when it turns to the tow because the tow are like hey better stand of Life Give me liberty or give me death you they they they they get the whole tea in the harbor experience I really love these guys if you can't tell and a lot of the time you don't have too much written about them because it's less you see them in a big spectacular bombastic way and more you see their results and it's terrifying yeah and defective um I think the most interesting development they've gotten post heresy because again they do not get much they have Shri who we covered he's mostly just an orc Pub stomper there's plenty of Orcs so there's never a shortage of jobs for him uh they tend to be this unseen Force you see what you don't see you feel a lot of the time and to this day they still wear beaky power armor because birds birds but I got to I got to turn it over to you unfortunately a lot of it has petered out post heresy for the Myriad of unfortunate reasons that they have had to undergo they don't have a lot of people post hersa they're just like they they're on they're on the back foot but what do you think of the resident Edge Lords do the Orcs call them sneaky beakes oh for sure okay sweet I promise you now that I promise you now one orc has that's all I needed to know yeah sneaky beakes for sure that's all I needed to know I think I think that is what they were they used to call Space Marines beys because they all used to have the yeah yeah I I I know they used to call the like the old power armor with the the beak helmet the beak I'm like snaky be yeah they're not purple so Orcs hate him Orcs hate this man yeah here's why the Orcs hate this simple trick fighting me for a second killing me and then running away it's very frustrating for the Orcs but it leads to them being kind of the perfect thing to do they are the perfect anti- orc division right because they don't ever give them a good they don't feed the wall they just come in do their thing leave they never feed the wall they just agitate it more than anything else the good thing is they're sitting there edging the Orcs this is what I mean when I say mental flashbangs the nice thing is the Orcs are becoming more relevant which means their Pub Stompers will inevitably become more relevant as gas gets bigger and stronger and scarier one of the best responses to it will probably be the ravengard it'll be the gorilla Warfare that the ravengard get cuz you will never want to you you won't want to fight Gaz in open combat no you're just encouraging him frankly yeah the best just go oh this is an awesome fight yeah the best thing you can do is just slowly pick them off one at a time and leave immediately over and over and over and over and over again until the cuz it is it is a snowball the Orcs are this chain reaction that just keeps going and going and going and so if you can just stall it out enough it can self-destruct yeah they can start in fighting and then you're done you're finished you've won theyve fractioned so I I I do seriously hope we hear more about them but that does bring an end to our episode on the ravengard remember your options are the white scars kusc Dark Eldar and the ab humies and as always thank you so much for tuning into this episode and thank you for being [Music] you [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] for

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Published: Sat Feb 03 2024