>>Can't you just feel it? The conflict is becoming
apparent in our culture. It reminds me of those
words of John Paul II, we're now living in the final
confrontation between the Gospel and the anti-Gospel, between
the Church and the Antichurch, between Christ and
the Antichrist. And if we don't choose
to know God's word, to believe God's word,
and follow God's word, we're going to be a sitting
duck for all kinds of confusion, all kinds of disorder, those
are really important choices that people have to make. >>And these choices
are difficult: Whom am I going to marry? What kind of life
am I going to live? How am I going to raise my kids? What am I going to do with my
time, my talent and my treasure? I have to make a choice today. Jesus says to each one of us, "I came that you might have
life, and have it to the full." The question is, do we want it? >>Welcome to<i>
The Choices We Face.</i> I'm Peter Herbeck, and today our
guest is Father Michael Schmitz. Father Michael is the
chaplin of the University of Minnesota, Duluth's
student chapel. He's the Director of Youth and
Young Adult Ministry in the Diocese of Duluth, and
he's a fantastic speaker, a highly sought after
speaker in the Church today. Especially for young people,
but really for the whole range, folks, because I think God has
really touched Father Michael, and I'm so glad to be
able to introduce him, really, to EWTN,
it's my understanding it's your first time
on, welcome Father. >>Thank you very much,
I appreciate it. >>Yeah, it's great
to have you here. >>Thanks, I'm really excited to-
I, now, full disclosure, I was on<i>
Life on the Rock</i> one time. >>Oh, okay. >>So I mean, but
no one watched it. So it's okay. Well, my mom watched it,
she loved it. She thought it was great. >>Well, Father, tell us, why don't you just
tell us your story? Let's start there. >>Yeah, well, as you said,
I'm from Minnesota, and I have a mom like
I mentioned earlier, and if you remember back
then, I remember mentioning my mom earlier today. No, so my mom
and my dad raised six kids, and so I'm right in the middle. There are three boys and
three girls and I'm the fourth, my older brother is the
first guy, first boy. And so, I'm in the middle of the
middle and yeah, I just grew up. I always just say I grew up
in like a normal Catholic home, and then people are like,
"What's normal mean?" Well, we go to
church every Sunday, they're like,
"That's not normal." I go, okay, well,
well we grew up, then one of the rules was
go to Mass every Sunday. So it was that,
that kind of thing. We prayed normally. Well, I guess, to say we
prayed normally, I mean, just we didn't have
like a family rosary. We didn't have a
family you know, holy hour, we just prayed before
meals, and prayed before bed, and it was like talk of
the Lord and talk of church was kind of just normal. It just, it felt natural, it
wasn't kind of imposed but what felt imposed for me, was we
had to go to Mass every single Sunday and holy day. I mean that was kind of the, no
exceptions, that was the rule- like I hated it so much. My parents had a rule though,
that the only way you could get out of going
to Sunday Mass is if you were too sick
to do anything else, and so the problem with that
is if you're too sick to go to Mass then you couldn't do
anything the rest of the day. But I, the crazy thing is I
didn't like going to Mass so much that I thought
it was worth it. Like yeah, I will
pretend to be sick, so I can get out of one hour of
church and then have to sit in my room the rest of the day,
doing nothing. >>And you didn't have
iPhones, TVs, nothing. >>No technology. I just, you know, and I
don't think, my mom even said, "No reading any books. If you're too sick to
pay attention to Mass, you're too sick to
read a book," you know, I had to sit there by myself, and the crazy thing
is I thought it was worth it. And then, something happened. When I was about 15, I had
an encounter with the Lord, basically it started
with a negative. It started with awareness
of my own personal sin, and what I mean by that is I had gone to Catholic
elementary school and so I knew what the Commandments
were, but at that one moment, it just was so clear all of
a sudden it was like wait, this is like sin, that's
something I've done. It wasn't just on the outside,
it was like on the inside, and I remember thinking like
oh my gosh, I'm a sinner. Like this clarity, not like- not a condemnation
but more like a "Oh my gosh, that's me," and then it was the
next stop it was just so good it was like, I need a savior,
and then it was like, oh hey, there is one. You know, that's what they've
been telling me for 15 years, you know, this whole notion of
like I've been going to church and trying to skip church,
and going to school hearing that Jesus is my savior. It didn't mean anything,
and then all of a sudden, like wait a second,
I'm a sinner, I need one, I need a savior, and I have one. And so then the next
step was, I need to pray. I mean, some things
were very, very clear to me. One was, I need to pray. The other was I needed
to go to Confession. So I need to pray. I don't know how to pray. And so, I knew that
I had a rosary hanging on my bed post,
and so I like, okay, I can use that. I don't know how to use that. I know there's
"Hail Marys" involved. There are
"Our Fathers" involved. I'm not sure any more than that. My mom prayed the
rosary every night. I come in, you know,
into the room sometimes, she'll be sitting there praying. But I'm not going to ask
her, because you know. Why would you ask your
mom about God and stuff? And so it was
like a Wednesday night, religious ed,
and there was a booklet called "Youth Praise the Rosary"
and I saw it, and like oh hey,
so I asked the teacher, her name was Sophie
Hegland, like Mrs. Hegland, can I borrow that book? She said, yeah, you can have it. Take it, you know,
like okay, great. So I took it, and every night
like I would have the book and my rosary and I would be
like here's the next thing, here's the next prayer, and just
started praying the rosary and Mary just- it was really
powerful, and when I say powerful though,
it was subtly powerful, in the sense it was
just like a lynch pin, our Lady became this
in the praying the rosary, became this kind of
anchor point in my life. The other thing is that I
had to go to Confession. I knew, like I needed
to go to Confession. So I didn't know any better,
because I got- I didn't know that they had Confession on
Saturdays, and I just knew when we'd go into the
school that's when you go, but I knew where the
priest lived, and so I remember very, very clearly, it was 10:00 on a
Tuesday morning, summertime, and I got on my bike
and rode across town to the priest's house and knocked on
the door and he was there, because, you know,
he only worked one day a week,
so of course he's home. So, he answers the door, and I'm
like, "Can I go to Confession?" "Sure, come on in," so I sat on
his couch, went to Confession, I remember leaving that,
leaving the directory, stepping on the front porch,
and there were three thoughts that were just so powerful,
in that moment. But one was, God,
I'm so grateful. I'm so thankful for this. You've forgiven all my sins,
you've taken all my sins away, I just- I'm so glad. My second thought was,
I never thought this before. My second thought was, "God if
you want me to be a priest, I will hear anyone's
Confession whenever they ask." >>And you were 15 at the time? Yeah, and I
had never, never thought about being a priest
before that moment. >>My third thought was, you
know, my first thought, "God, thank you so much," my second
thought was, "If you want me to be a priest I'll hear Confession
whenever you want me to," but my third thought was
like, "Oh, she's really cute." So it was like- then you
begin this kind of tumultuous, like should I be a priest? I like girls too much, you
know, this whole kind of thing. But years later, just
kind of fast forwarding, I would hear people talk about
their conversion stories and like the moment when they
encountered the Lord, and I don't know
when I did, you know, I mean I was raised
Catholic and it worked. I mean, that was kind
of what I thought. So I read Pope Benedict's
"Deus Caritas Est," or "God is Love,"
and the very first page, I think the second
paragraph, where he says, "Being a Christian is not the
result of an ethical choice or lofty ideal," it's a result of
an encounter with a person, that, he says, uses
the phrase I think, "Gives one's life a new horizon, and sets it in
a decisive direction." And this must have
been like 10 years ago, whenever it first came out. I remember reading it going, oh,
oh my gosh, that was the moment. >>Yeah, that's exactly
what happened to you. >>I can trace everything that
happened in my life following as a disciple of Jesus, back to
that moment where I stepped off the front porch actually
pondering Jesus and sacrament, and stepping off that front
porch and recognizing my life from that point had a decisive
direction from that moment on that I can recognize, and I'm
just so grateful for that. >>So you began to really live
for the Lord consciously, the best you could. I mean, you
had moments, probably, when you were a teenager. >>I think that had to be
the caveat, appreciate that, yes, the best I could. >>So when you got out of- you
went through high school and got out of high school,
what did you do then? >>So I went to a college. In high school,
I was trying to figure out, should I got to a
college seminary or not. And I visited some, and the
whole time I was there I kept thinking, like I just
want to be home, I just want to be home. I want to go see my girlfriend
because yes, I visited seminary, while I was dating I wasn't
in seminary, let's clarify. But at one point my dad, he
was so good, my dad had said, he said, you know, he had
discerned whether God was calling him
to be a priest or not when he was younger. A priest told
him, said, you know, if God's calling you,
he'll always be calling, and he said if
you're not sure that he wants you to
go to the seminary now, then you know you can
go or don't have to go. You can go to a normal college. And that was this huge
weight off my shoulders, my dad just kind of gave me
permission to go to like a normal, or I say a normal
college, not seminary, because I had thought that,
I had thought that if I didn't go to seminary
I was saying no to God. But what I didn't realize, and
I should have asked people, but what I didn't realize was you
can't answer a question God isn't asking, and so
I can't say no to God if he's not clearly asking me
to go to seminary, and I didn't know if he was clearly asking
me, and then I found out later on that God always speaks in
clarity in that sense of like okay, so if he's not clearly
inviting me to go to seminary, not going isn't necessarily
saying no to him. >>Right. >>And so, I was just,
there's this huge weight off my shoulders. So I went to another, went to
a private Catholic college in Minnesota, and I was so excited
to go there because I mean, a couple things, one is that
I wanted to be able to study theology because
First Peter 3:15, "Always be ready to give a
reason for the hope that's within you, the faith
that's within you," had been huge in my life. I wanted to study theology
so I could give a reason. Like, why do I believe
what I believe? Secondly, I was so excited. There'd be 220 monks on this
campus, they had Mass every day, there's a chapel 100
meters from my door, my girlfriend only lived
an hour away at this point. So this is the
best of all worlds. I had this- I loved
going to this school. And I describe it like
this, four years later, I graduated from this Catholic school with a
degree in theology. I took so many classes in
theology that I think I could have double
majored in one topic. I was a missionary
in Central America, working at a Catholic mission,
again Catholic high school teaching religion,
going to Mass every day, and I hated the Catholic Church. >>Wow. Did you?
How did that happen? I mean, what led you
to experience that? >>Well, a couple of things. One is outside of anyone is
definitely the inside of me, outside of me it was going
to this school where I'd say, a lot of times I would have
questions about stuff like where the Catholic Church teaches
something that seems to go against the culture,
and seems to be unique amongst other Christian
churches or dominations. >>For example? >>Like things I like, well, actually this
is the critical issue. This is the issue that started
it, and the issue that undid it. The issue of contraception,
that was it. I remember, I mean, because
there were other things, too. Married priests,
or dating women, all these kind of other things
that seem like well this is so, you guys are really
weird on this, but when it came to the
issue of contraception, I remember asking professors
and monks and nuns and Ph.Ds and priests about like so why
does this- and all I got back was, well that's just this
Augustinian framework where the body's bad, sex is bad,
therefore you know, that's what we have to do
this, but don't worry about it. The Church is going to catch
up to us doing this theology. So I started, it kind
of implanted this idea that okay, well, the Church is lagging behind but
theology is on the forefront. Doing theology means you're
pushing the boundaries and you're changing things. That- in my mindset became
like theology, was you're changing things as opposed
to you're really, you know, mining the tradition and
beautiful teachings, the idea that there was
such a thing as truth that could be known, was just
like you know, that's just opinion basically,
and so but the issue that started it off was this kind of like no one giving
me or me claiming that no one's giving me a clear answer
with regards to why does the Church teach what she teaches with regards to
openness to life. And then, every other issue
just kind of glommed onto that, until it got to the point
where I was like you know what? I'm embarrassed to
be Catholic, because there's- we believe all these things. There's no reason for it. It's just holding onto a bunch
of old celibate white men in Rome who are telling
people what to do. So I get down to this-
oh, sorry. Second piece was my own pride,
that was the external part. >>You're smarter than
everybody, so it makes sense, and you're smarter
than most of the herd. >>I mean, smarter in every way. Oh my gosh,
so just the worst thing. So other people probably
could have passed through that unscathed, but I think probably
my own symbolism, my own pride, my own, all these things,
I wanted to be on the edge. Like I wanted to
be pushing that. I wanted to be changing things in that kind of a sense,
and I just kind of I guess fell for it
for my own stuff. So I can't blame it on other
people exclusively, because I think others, better
people could have made it through that without
falling off like I did. But like one time I went to this
mission in Central America, and it was run by The Society of Our Lady of the
Most Holy Trinity, and phenomenal order, and
this mission was incredible. I hated it immediately, because
I get there and these two priests were there and they were
talking about like truth as if like it exists in
the like, the churches, like no the Church
teaches truth, like what, what are you talking about? Are you from the Middle Ages? And I just- I would go
to Mass, every day still, and these priests
would be up there. They'd be preaching. I'd be openly like mocking
the priests during Mass. >>Wow. >>They'd- so bad of me. So they'd be preaching and
I'd be like pfff, whatever. Like and rolling my eyes and
what, the person next to me, like that's stupid, you know? Now I realize as a
priest sitting up there, standing up there, behind that-
you can see all that stuff. Like oh my gosh, so I mean, and
we'd have meals with these two priests, and I mean
these guys were heroes, they were like the Marines of... >>Living a radical lifestyle
with glory for the Lord. >>Oh my gosh, one of
these priests, Father Tony, he every morning he'd get up
around 5:00, go into the chapel or church for a
holy hour or two. Then he'd get in his truck,
drive across the border into Guatemala, say Mass here,
bring sacraments here, he'd go to the end of the
road hit into, you know, cross the river with a canoe,
hike until he gets to a village. He's in the village all day,
bringing the sacraments and bringing whatever kind
of resources he could. >>It's beautiful. >>At night he would say Mass
at 6:00 in the Guatemalan side, he crossed the border, say Mass for us on
the Belizean side at 7:00. So one day I got
incredibly sick. So sick that they were
like, he might die. Father Tony, after
this huge day, he's crossing a little dirt
alleyway between the church and the rectory to finally get some rice and beans at the end
of the day, and someone says, "Father Tony,
Mike's really sick." And this guy who I had,
again not just in church, but also like at our meals, like
had been making fun of and just been such a jerk to,
this guy without stopping, he runs back into the church, gets the holy oils
and gets the Eucharist, and runs over to where I was
and offers me Confession, Anointing of the Sick,
and Communion, and this is- I remember just lying there in delirium,
you know, thinking like, "Huh, Maybe Father Tony
does know Jesus." Because my whole thing was
like oh, he doesn't know Jesus. He's all about the rules. Like, wait, here's this guy
that I have been a jerk to, without hesitating, he came
here, with Jesus, just to serve, just to take care of me,
to make sure I was okay. I should give him
another chance. You know, so but it took
me a long time to recover, maybe three or four weeks later. >>So when did you
end becoming a jerk? When did that stop? >>When- I'm planning on
stopping it this Lent, I'm going to cut back
on being a jerk. Yeah, I think 2019,
Lent 2019, that's the plan. No, but he sat down like I'm
going to give him another chance, and then I got better,
and I saw him again and I'm yeah, I don't like that guy. But about a month after this,
everything changed. What Father Tony would do is
every other Tuesday night he would teach the teachers, and
one night he was going to teach them "Humanae Vitae," which is the Church's teaching
on openness to life, against contraception, and I said I'm not
going to go to that. I've had my questions answered. I talk to Ph.Ds and monks
and nuns and then I was, you know, I am going to go. And I'm going to destroy it. Again, that pride
coming up, right? I'm just going to demolish his
argument and just like everyone will know, Father Tony
doesn't know, Mike knows, kind of a thing. So I can remember this so
clearly, I went into the room where he was going to teach. Sat in the back, just kind of
folding my arms, like bring it. Like let's see what you've got,
and he started talking, and I thought he was going to talk like you know,
well you know, Popes teach this, we
need to believe this, which is probably true. But he started from this
position of just common sense and he said well, we all
know this is true, right? So yeah, and we all
know this is true, right? Well therefore, and he started
making these conclusions that I was sitting here
thinking, that's true, that's just- and it's
not mental gymnastics true, like where if you squint,
cock your head to the side, if you can see if
there's a truth. You know, I was like,
you know this is true. And halfway through this talk,
my mouth is hanging open, I'm like I've never
heard- what? When he was done I
walked out of there, and then the world's just
pff, and I was like 180. I'm like I can no longer believe
what I've been believing. I thought I was so right
and the Church was so wrong. And he just demonstrated
to me that in this, in this one case at least,
that I was wrong and the Church was right, and remember coming
back to my kind of little house/shack we were staying in. I had two or three roommates,
and they were like they didn't go to the talk and they were
like hey did you learn, they knew it was about sex,
did you learn how to do it? I'm like no, you guys,
this talk was awesome. You should have been there. Because it changed everything,
but that started this whole process of me having to
like unlearn some stuff and relearn some stuff, but the
best thing and the best thing that they did was this, I would
describe my heart as being kind of petrified or calcified, really to the Church
and then to God himself. So I'd still been- every day
I was still praying, "God, if you want me to
be a priest, let me know." But I don't want your Church, but if you want me to
be a priest, let me know. My plan was to go
back, get my Ph.D in theology, scripture,
whatever, and then teach. So grateful that didn't happen,
because I would not have been teaching with the Church
and would have been very guilty of a lot of stuff, but the
biggest thing was my heart. And that was that it had been
calcified or petrified, and it was like this one night, that
one day was like a little crack was formed, and because the
crack was formed it was like my heartbeat, my heart started
pumping again a little bit, and it was kind of like
the beginnings of like, "Well, that's what
that feels like." Like, that's what it feels like
to have like love for God again. To have a love for the Church
again, to have joy again, and that just,
I want more of this. And but I had all these other
questions that I had to ask, but now I had these people, Father
Tony, and the pastor there, Father John, who's the
co-founder of SOLT, who I could ask. I'm so grateful in that, and
that just began a more honest prayer of like God if you
want me to be a priest, then let me know. >>Then how did you transition from the mission to
seminary and ordination? >>Well, I was planning
on getting married this whole time, by the way. I was dating this girl for about
three or four years at the time. And we had talked about like hey
when I get back to the mission, another year of planning
for our wedding, and then we're going to get
married the next year. So that was a kind
of wrinkle in there. So now here I am falling in
love with the Church and the Lord again in this way, just
like experiencing a joy of being Catholic and enjoyed being a
disciple of Jesus for the first time since I was, I don't know,
19, and I was like but wait, oh my gosh, I've not answered
this question of whether or not God wants me to be a priest yet. Or if he wants me to go and
learn theology and study theology and teach, I don't know
if he wants me to get married, and so I just- that was the
ultimate crisis moment, of like I need to figure this out,
because if I don't, if he doesn't tell me then I'm going to be,
you know, in big trouble. So that was renewed prayer,
renewed seeking counsel, and I remember one day
very, very clearly. I was in adoration, and it
was absolutely clear what the Lord was
asking me to do. This is after a lot of
counsel, a lot of prayer, and it was just so clear. I would know, I knew that
whether it was 60 years after I got married to this woman, who's
an amazing woman, or 6 minutes, I would know that I never
gave him the first shot. I never gave him the first try,
and what I essentially heard was, that's what I'm
asking you to do, Mike. I just, I'm asking you, just
go to seminary, and I knew absolutely with this conviction
in my mind as well as in my heart, that's like, that's what
I need to do, and the experience of that was simultaneously
like, crushing. I have to break up with this
woman I'm in love with, but also joyful because it was
like I've been praying for this for 10 years, every day. God, just let me know your will. It was one of these
moments though that was so, it was permeated by freedom. It was God saying here's
what I want you to do, then simultaneously, but if
you don't I still love you, which is so important. >>Right. It wasn't like you were, if I
don't do this I'm going to be really out of God's will and
he's not going- he wants you to make a free choice. He's offering you something,
and it's interesting, inspiring actually to see the process and how
patient he was with you. He needed to soften your heart in a way that you could
receive his word and receive the prompting, and know,
know his voice. Be able to step into the
next phase, you know? >>Well I was so impatient and
I was like God, let me know now, let me know, and
if I were to hear him, he would be like,
"You're not ready." Like no, I'm ready, let me know. >>In fact, I'm
the smartest guy here, I know more than anybody. I should have that
collar on right now. >>I have a schedule right here,
you can follow me. But there was something
about that that recognized, he revealed to me that God
isn't, he's never too late, you know, dealing his role,
but he's also never too early, and if he'd even revealed
this to me two weeks before, I would not have been ready,
would have been like trying to fit this square peg in a round
hole, but he just found that, even that process of softening
for those last two weeks. It was like, I'm ready. This is painful, but yes,
it's also joyful, and that made a huge difference. >>Great, and so you ended
up going back to Minnesota? >>Yeah, yeah. >>And going into the
seminary right away? >>Yeah, basically. I applied that Spring when
I was still in Belize, and then came back and
entered in the Fall. >>That's great, that's great. Well Father, we're going
to take a little break. I want to tell friends about
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here on<i> Choices We Face</i> with Father Michael Schmitz, and
Father's been talking to us about really his journey,
the discernment process of following the
voice of the Lord, and you had some
more thoughts about that? >>Well, you know, because I know
a lot of people will say, wait, you just said you're maybe
planning on getting married, like what happened there? Because, or they'll
say, was that easy? Was it easy to decide that,
you know, because of this, because the Lord's calling you,
you have to do this? Yes and no, I would say that
I always describe it like this, that on the surface there's
lot of emotions, a lot of sadness,
a lot of heartbreak, but just under the surface
there's a lot of joy. Kind of like if you're ever
scuba diving, and so how the- on the surface is all
up and down, and water, if you go two feet under the
water there's this peace to it, you know, and that's
what I experienced. But it was interesting because
with a lot of emotions, a lot of kind of,
there's a certainty there, but when I got to
seminary, I mean, this is one of
those crazy things. Well, when I got to
seminary I said okay God, okay, this is
a little bit kind of romantic in that sense. Like I'd meet like the gal who
worked behind the library desk, like God did you bring
me here to meet her? You know. Or there'd be- a friend
would introduce me to one of, you know, their
girlfriends like oh, God did you bring
me here to meet her? Like oh my gosh,
just focus on the Lord. But I had gotten set on the
path to go to the seminary, but after that I mean, I didn't
get any illumination of yeah, you're in the right place,
other than, this is good. This is good, keep going. It was never more direction,
it was just keep going, which for a while was
great, because yeah, I'm just going to keep going. Until it was a couple
months before ordination, to the diaconate where you make
all the big promises, you know, and like gosh, God, you- is
this where I'm supposed to be? You know, what if, I remember
being in adoration again, like what if God, what
if I could picture this? Picture the moment
where I get ordained, and then the next
day I meet her. You know, kind of a thing,
and there's a, one of the top moments of grace
in my life because I was in prayer, and God is like
listen, you can trust me. Just like God, okay, I trust
that you brought me here, God I trust not only
that you brought me here, but that if you want me to leave
you'll let me know in a way I can't miss, and I'll trust that
if you want me to leave, you'll let me know in a way
that I can't miss in time. Because God does
everything right on time. >>Yeah Father, speaking
of right on time, we just have a few seconds left,
I just want to thank you for being here today and
sharing your story. I wish we could do a few
more programs with you. Hopefully, we can do it in the
future, how about coming back? >>Absolutely. >>Well, friends this Father's
story is a story that's relevant to all of us, he just
mentioned coming to the place where you can trust God. You can trust the voice of
God and what he discovered, and what's led to an amazingly
fruitful life and priesthood is a surrender to the voice of the
Lord, and to follow Jesus because that's the way forward
for all of us, and you may be discerning lots of things
in your life these days. Begin with just offering and
opening your heart to Jesus, and before we close
I just want to mention that Father's got lots of YouTube
videos of people, just Google Father Michael Schmitz, or
YouTube Father Michael Schmitz, they'll get them, right? >>Yeah, YouTube videos, we also
have podcasts every week. They come out on iTunes. >>Great, I want
to encourage you to do that because he's fantastic. >>Join us again next week
for another program of <i> The Choices we Face</i> ,
God bless you. ♪
