Stephen A. Smith | Club Random with Bill Maher

love random I am thrilled you're here thank you man I appreciate it where can I get you well first of all you already got it for me I got the Hennessy and Coke right here oh okay they told me they they said help yourself so I helped I helped myself I love when people are exactly who they are on TV like when you said that it was like oh good I'm glad he's that guy yes I am we it cannot get more down and dirty than Club random right I hope you feel do you care do you I'm good I'm good it's a good space isn't it it is it's nice I mean podcasts usually are like I feel like deadly sort of serious yeah I mean you're just looking you know yeah and well it could be the Lions down for people that don't don't even either don't have anything to say or scared to say what they really really want to say but if neither Applause I know you're not that guy that's right you're right about that so what and so you have a drink yes sir can I get you anything else no I'm good yeah I'm playing with the uh wacky weed nah you do it no I no I know I can't I don't need your there you go I understand that's right but like that was never a thing for you it was never a thing for me really growing up in New York my friends family stuff like that of course I had quite a few friends and family members who smoked a lot of weed and stuff like that but it was never me I grew up in Hollis Queens right up the block from Run DMC Jam Master Jay about five minutes away from LL Cool J one of my favorite records is uh doing it well I think that's right it's one it's representing Queens he was made out of Brooklyn and I always found that like it's such a sexy record maybe second to almost none yeah he's made quite a few Paradise phenomenon yes but this one is particularly I just love it yeah and the whole thing it's it's like sexy sexy sexy and then I'm from Queens and she's from Brooklyn to me always like made me laugh it just seemed to like come out of left field like but what does that have to do with this queens and Brooklyn well if you grew up in New York City I know here's the deal in Hollis let me just be real with you one it wasn't really a lot of girls they were on they were in Farmers they were in the Bronx they were in Brooklyn you know they were you know in other sections of Queens New York but but Hollis that's not where you went to if you was looking for your girlfriend and this is because why um the prettier girls were in other areas you asked I mean it was just true I mean my my sisters were gorgeous but hey I can't speak for everybody else I went to Cornell in the 70s that was not a feast day for a heterosexual male either I mean there are places we find ourselves in that's right and uh and it's funny like you know I pre good looks in a woman it's like it's a double-edged sword because well what does that mean well I mean it's look I well first of all pretty girls are always complaining okay okay so there is bad like you know um you're a lot of you they'll always say I can't leave the house without getting hit on all the time but I'm like you know would you rather be a plain girl and no the answer no okay yeah because you know we can ugly you up that's right but I tell you this I tell you this group I learned that beauty was an idol Beholder when I was growing up and one of my best friend's name was Pooley his name was Rodney Cowan but his nickname was Pooley everybody in the neighborhood knew him is pulley you could put Beyonce right in front of pulley and pulley would look at you and go like this what the hell am I supposed to do with that because if you were not 250 pounds minimum with blood with blubber hanging off your arms and cellulite everywhere and you weren't big enough to tilt a smoke a small car pulley was not interested in you you were entirely too small what is that I mean it's all of America now loves bigness right I it's not my it's not my jam it's not my thing I'm not hating on it it's not my thing I'm hitting on it because I feel first of all it's not healthy okay and second of all it's tilting uh everyone toward this uh you know like girls I think it you know that it's better to have a giant ass and I'm not into a giant ass well I'm not gonna deny I I do like I do like some uh a big booty right and you know this is almost mandatory and this this was always something in the black community am I right uh for the most part and then like everything there are exceptions right but mostly right that was where it originated and then like everything else the white people in the suburbs stolen because now I mean every girl wants a big booty I mean this it is it is vastly appreciated by by black men every black man I know pretty much every black man I know that that's what we like and but I'm saying when I was a kid when I was growing up when I was an adolescent the last thing a girl wanted was a big ass they wanted to be see I have no experience with that right I've never I've never been around a black woman that didn't want to have I'm just saying that this phenomenon of every girl wanting a big ass must have come as very welcome news to a lot of White Chicks eating Haagen-Dazs right because like okay this is well listen what happened is I I think that listen women are competitive just like everybody else and you've seen what I've seen over the years and with a lot of the white women that I have encountered they've seen they've seen black girl sisters right with voluptuous figures and they said excuse me yeah I want that because I want to compete with them and they have no regard no fear whatsoever competing with the sisters for black men I've seen it before not with everybody of course but I've seen it but you said a minute ago that like the the your friend who like yes big you said that you said that wasn't your thing no no that wasn't his thing oh it's always been my thing big women have not been my thing that's his thing I've always liked the voluptuous woman meaning that somebody with a big booty no doubt about it I'm still that way I'm big booty but not big everything there you go I see what you're doing pulley wants you big everywhere he wants you taking up two seats on the plane right and if you're not he's not interested he's not interested Halle Berry Beyonce right JLo the list goes on and on Meg distiller the stallion pulley look at them like what am I supposed to do with that they too small so he wants to lizzo yeah and she might be too small no she might be too small okay this is I'm telling you the truth okay I'm I'm believing you yeah I'm just saying yes Mrs Robinson this conversation is getting a little bit you know I don't want to oh God yeah okay I you know there is a health Factor here I agree there just is I agree especially in this day and age right I don't know what you thought of like the athletes who didn't want to get vaccinated and I don't want to get into a big fight about it because I will okay but I was on their side because health is a case-by-case basis and when you're a finely tuned athlete with a body that is perfect because you that's your living you put in that body only what you want to put on to keep that instrument that is your instrument uh the idea that Djokovic was going to hurt anybody or Aaron Rodgers and oh my gosh Kyrie Irving I mean clutch my pearls uh I was I thought bully for you guys firsthand especially Kyrie Irving gave up a lot of money although he'll get it back because he can play now right yeah he can play now he ain't gonna get the money back though not the money he lost but it's only about 17. but he's gonna play this year he's going to play with no stretches okay about 39 million this year okay so he has okay right 38. so he has a great year which I bet he will which he will he's spectacular okay he is spectacular yes so after one after a great year he's coming in gonna have an Aaron judge here yeah then take it off for him another big contract so even what will he he will have both his Integrity for standing up to the Mob who wanted to insist he'd do something to his own body that he didn't want to do and he will have the money okay you said we're going to fight about it okay so let's fight about it let me be very clear I don't disagree with you um get to the point yeah it's your body and somebody is trying to tell you what to inject into your body I didn't like it I was very reluctant and hesitant about getting vaccinated me too but but obviously just be made it very very clear you know you won't work here in these corridors exactly you need to do that exactly with me that's right here's where I held it against Kyrie it had nothing to do with being vaccinated on being vaccinated or being unvaccinated in my mind what bothered me is that you are a superstar on a team that is a championship Contender and everybody is there because of you Kevin Durant is in Brooklyn because of you James Harden at the time was in Brooklyn because of you everybody's there it's still his body I understand that but I understand that all I'm saying to you it's your right but in but I'm thinking about it from a competitive perspective a lot of dudes in the NBA didn't want to do it but you playing for you playing for a championship okay but you can pile up a mountain of your right there is a mountain over there of reasons yeah why it's like that's all it was to me but there's no going back from your body it's your body it's inside your body and look if I really thought the uh first of all everything in medicine is playing the odds right because we just don't know that much I agree even though they think they do yeah they think they do so since we're playing the odds I played them with this vaccine okay because nobody can realistically look you in the eye and say we are a million percent sure there's just no doubt that no harm can come and I'm talking about down the road and there have been of course there have been many people who've had a reaction all medicine type reaction I don't hold that against vaccines yes we know that about all drugs me too I hold against the people who like pretend that we can't even talk about that but we can and I know anecdotally we all know people who got the vaccine and had some reaction some some minor some not some minor most people did not and that's the way vaccines work it's just more proof to me that our bodies are all individual there's some people it does have an effect on and does weird things some most people it doesn't okay that's fine if I didn't think if I thought it was like really deleterious and my body couldn't withstand it or or 20 years from now my gallbladder is going to fall out of my ass because of this I wouldn't have done it but you can't ever tell me that there's not some chance of that and I and especially I mean the down the road stuff that was always my thing with vaccines down the road yes I know they work at the time mostly not always but yes they do what they're supposed to do lots of drugs do what they're supposed to do antibiotics do what they're supposed to do they also have a very deleterious effect on you chemotherapy works right well you talk so I'm just saying in 25 years that vaccine that's in your body in Confluence with the million other things that we don't know how many x-rays you had what do you eat how many medals are in your body right all these things could have we just don't know this cool so I don't want to get cancer in 20 years I didn't want to get covered but I would have rather have taken my choice would have been rather to have risk covid with this pathogen another one that was more dangerous I'd make a different decision versus I don't know I'm trying to keep myself as pure as I can for the cancer argument well let me look at it this way let me retort with that first of all Bill Bill Maher says that Bill Maher and says he's looking things up and he's researching stuff and and what have you chances are people going to believe you a lot of times these athletes say Let me let me take some time let me do my research you ain't doing a damn bit of research that's number one so let's get that out there let's just do that let's get that the way a line that ass off okay that's number one number two I brought up the chair nobody ever checked I brought up the championship element that's number two because that's a big deal with me because of 99 of the league is taking it and they vying for the championship and you got one of the best teams in the league and they just they've assembled themselves in Brooklyn because of you and they signed up for it then that's something that you need to consider that's just me number three I had cold fit I was double vaccinated I hadn't taken the booster shot yet damn thing almost killed me because I had a endoscopy prior to the the acquiring covet I had double pneumonia I'm in the hospital New Year's Eve it's 90 minutes before the ball drop and the doctors looking at me and saying we gonna try this steroid with this antibiotic if this doesn't work we're gonna have to call your family we're probably gonna have to put you on the respirator you're in pretty damn bad shape it was that bad okay so I'm very I understand where everybody's coming from and I get all of that but I also say this to you when it comes to professional athletes you know how much stuff gets put in their body that they have no damn clue whatsoever what it is not all of them it could be medication it could be I mean when you think about the anti-inflammatories they put in their body you really think that Tom Brady Aaron Rodgers and I could name a lot of other guys maybe not the majority of the league and the people who don't have the you know the power to get like what they were but guys like that don't put anything in there but I feel you okay but there's exceptions those are the exceptions I'm talking about the rule and I'm saying to you you got a lot of cats they're not doing that bill and it's they go to a certain they get surgery they go to the hospital for special surgery for example in New York or whatever and they've had these they they've had these surgeries you're asking a doctor about the anesthesia they gave you you're asking asking them about the medication specifically that they've given you chances are no you're deferring to the expertise of the doctor before you make your decision which is exactly the approach I do not endorse God I and because right off the bat what do they always say get a second opinion right so I'm relying on a man who another man because he would have got a second and third opinion building all three said the same thing what you're gonna do then if all three said the same thing that would be great because then it wouldn't be a an issue there would have to be three different doctors not like all from the same office who thinks the same way I would not want to be the victim of the group think right but doctors vary greatly now they don't speak out because in this country you're only allowed the one true opinion especially about medicine they will literally throw you off Twitter for things that you know like doubting whether masks are effective it's like this are you kidding yeah it only should we be able to say it it's true they're not mostly effective not the cloth ones and blah blah there's definitely some manipulation that's going on in that regard and an apps and stripping a free speech I definitely am with you what you're describing where somebody is like well I'm just going to put myself in the hands of the guy in the white coat he knows everything he's my doctor I like him okay good luck with that that's not the way I want to handle it I want to hear a lot of different opinions or at least a few well I always want to hear a lot of opinions what I'm saying to you is that every damn place I turned David telling me the same thing vaccination vaccination vaccination I was here now I saw people on TV that were saying something different but when I went into actual doctor's offices from Cedar Sinai in La the HSS in New York to my personal doctor what have you in Long Island I'm telling you they were all saying the same thing and so ultimately if you get to a point where like okay but think about this I mean you said you got it after two vaccinations two yeah so I'm not saying I'm that it didn't work the vaccine or anything neither do I I'm not saying that I don't know well obviously it didn't work on you right well what they guess let me tell you what they said I mean you said what they said to me was you both got it and you got it bad you're alive because you were vaccinated that's what they told me okay I didn't know that okay first of all we don't know that I agree we absolutely maybe you would have had not likely but yes possibly you would have had a better chance without it because possibly you're a kind of a person where you're a natural immune system or this vaccine didn't agree with you in some way and I think it actually could be first and that that because I was opened up once I got covert I think that's what compromises yeah of course I mean you know health is always you know the reason why holistic is a is a meaningful term is because if you think that you can compartmentalize the human body which is what we do Specialists the kidney specialist and this special but the Body Works in concert all of it is coming into effect with all of the other parts of the body so you can't it's it's misleading and it's not accurate what I want to make sure you understand is that I'm acknowledging I don't know right but what I'm saying is that I don't know and yet I'm here in this situation on one hand they're telling me because I was vaccinated that's why I'm alive and in my mind a part of me is saying well damn it I was double vaccinated I said I never got the dead thing and certainly should not have gotten it bad so it's like it's so self-serving and it's so in the bubble like we're not going to examine what the other possibility is we're just going to keep doubling down on our story which is the vaccine is the only way for everyone no questions asked so if you get a horrible case it would have been worse without it maybe can I ask you a question maybe when you say this I don't know they don't know whose story when you say it's their story that's the narrative they're talking about the Western Medical establishment got it got it the doctor fouchies of the world an honorable man a smart man not a bad man but a a bureaucrat for many many years and you know group think it's it's out there man yeah it infects everybody medicine is trendy like everything else yeah you remember in the 80s when they were saying carbo up it was like loading carbo loading everyone's eating carbs all that it's ridiculous we wouldn't load it up yeah it wouldn't dare do that now we did do that now but you like you talked about it you said group think and the bottom line is the reason why you're so popular is because you think for you yeah and so what happens is is that whether I agree or disagree when you say something I'm opening up I'm researching them think because I'm thinking about what you said because I know your thoughts are not bought and paid for unfortunately we don't know where the hell to turn and I feel the exact same way about you thank you that's why I watch you because like sometimes I mean I certainly am a red-blooded American heterosexual and it was raised on on me I am saying I was raised on drugs and baseball and basketball not hockey that's not American only thing I know about hockey is that the puck is black not that it's cold in each Arena no I don't know a damn thing else about hockey really but I keep promising the commissioner I'm gonna go to a game with him so you can keep your job and not know [ __ ] about hockey hell yes that's boss oh wait a minute wait a minute see that's the problem got too many damn people lying about what the hell they know and they don't know I don't know hockey and I don't know NASCAR No period right and I'm not interested oh I'm giving your props for that because like usually I would think that would if I went in for a job or anybody in sports and they would say oh so obviously you know about all the things we cover which I mean you'd have to know and all these other guys I think they know about women's softball they know about all this [ __ ] please no I couldn't tell you a softball a softball play in America right now no all right and it wasn't up until a few years ago and I had to tell you in WNBA players but I'm proud of what they're doing I just didn't know I didn't know right right and that's your right yeah you know it's entertainment well they they they they're not coming to me looking for me to talk about it she's entertainment I know what I know who my audience is or what they're looking for for me and I give them that we are brought to you by signal wire the real ogs of software-defined 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that's a lot no but go ahead no you know he's he's the purest and you know it I mean I love him we're good friends and I think he's a he's one of the greatest efforts one of the greatest one of the greatest I'm so glad to hear you say it yeah you just can't you just got to give it up first he's an idol and I still watch him do games yeah you know he still does games on like the Major League Baseball he does he should be doing it until he's ready to drive right and he does it on a level I mean I think the broadcast partner here doesn't understand half the references he's making you know he does a a much more erudite yeah calling of a game with jokes and witticisms and it's dry and never losing track of the game never but okay so my point of view okay especially during when the steroid thing you know Mark McGuire and you know Bob was like cheating and I get that and it's cheating yeah my point of view was first of all it's entertainment you know to see a guy jacked up and launched one who hit to Road triple Z right next to the Levitra sign that's right that's fantastic Barry Bonds was doing for years yes one of my favorite sports quotes Barry Bonds can I just be good yeah can I just and he's your favorite code my favorite quote from him is you still coming to see the show that was my favorite quote I love Barry bones yeah stop with the asterisks and I saw him at the NBA Finals Golden State Boston and I walked right up to him he saw me he met we had never met gave me a big hug I hugged him back he had people he's a cheetah and first words out of my mouth was kiss my ass I won't hear that you know I said this man was walking into the Hall of Fame before steroids we ever became an issue he was better than Maguire he was better than Sosa he was better than them all in you guys because they in 98 was trying to resurrect baseball because the World Series had been canceled in 1994 and the fans were reluctant to come back to the sport y'all rolled their coattails received all of that money all the ratings all the popularity okay then you want to bring up steroids after they deliver all of this for y'all right Barry Bond said oh that's what we're doing because I'm better than them now but because they smacking whole runs you think they're better than me well let me show you what I could do and the brother went out there and was smacking home runs all over the place and y'all want to condemn him but she didn't give back the money you didn't get back the ratings you didn't give back the revenue that the ratings generated you didn't do any of that but you want to put an asterisk next to his name and then keep him out of the Hall of Fame and act like he never existed but you didn't give any of that money back I'm gonna repeat myself they can kiss my ass I don't want to hear that Barry Bonds is one of the greatest ever ever I would ever I would say that in his you know athletes usually have a high noon from about 27 to 32. I think he his was a little later because I think he peaked a little later not that he was he was a seven-time MVP right I mean okay it's amazing he was Sensational I know is that but when he was at his prime right which I think went later into the 30s I don't think there ever has been a hitter as dangerous never like never right yes let me give you a piece of evidence Sports something came out called the Mitchell report where they had all these guys that supposedly used performance enhancing drugs a Barry Bonds was not on that list of the Mitchell report B 103 names were on the report see none of them hit 73 home residents well I mean we're not pretending he wasn't on sterile that's right I mean I know that he you could see him how skinny he was right and then you know one year he came into Camp he was a lot heavier and he said you know I'm out of shape but but who puts on weight in the mandible that's right how about that how about that you're absolutely right but I'm just saying okay that's 103 names all I'm saying is none of them hit 7300 they couldn't touch it here's my point here was my steroid argument with Bob Costas okay my side of it was okay it's cheating but uh there were things in every era that players did first of all you can't compare them to players of any other era I mean in this era they used steroids and that jacked up their numbers uh I think that I I if I had to choose between that or the or playing where the players only had like literally a mitt I mean it was called a mitt because it wasn't a big basket glove that's right that's that's how Babe Ruth hit 342 Lifetime and he wasn't playing against black players and that was my next one he wasn't playing against black players no night games no jet lag no relief pitchers I mean the game and because people change so much that you just can't and so steroids was I mean Willie Mays was on the juice right it was the green juice that they drank which was like speed basically I don't mind an asterisk next to any name because what you're saying with the asterisk is that there's a story to be told here we're going to tell it what offends me is that you keep them out and try to act like they never existed and you want Society to forget what they brought to the table and how people reap the benefits of their exploits that insults me yeah that is just wrong and I hate the fact that baseball gets away with doing that I would even say Pete Rose I mean I agree it's been a long time yes it's the ultimate sin he bet on baseball but I don't think he bet against his team so there is a there is a a ring of hell that is closer to the fire which is betting yeah but against your own that would be a traitor but two things not only did he not bet against himself there was never proof that he bet as a player he bet as a manager manager yeah and he bet to win yeah and I'm saying all the time hits leader 44 game here of course all the stuff that he brought today all the great data that she came about it that's right and he's got one of them all the things that he did for the sport and you want to you want the world to forget him you know it's not right how about just it's not right [ __ ] they pardon Nixon you know how about you saying what he's been how 40 years or whatever before he croaks let's [ __ ] give him you know and yeah it's it's I totally agree with you we agree with it we agree totally on a lot of things yes I wouldn't watch it if I really I don't want to turn the TV and get mad oh I have a good question I want to ask you sure so um why do you think this I thought of this when we were talking Medical actually but I want to ask why do you think bodies athletes bodies are so much more fragile today when we're supposed supposedly we're healthier again I don't make everything about Western medicine yes but like we're supposedly so healthy and yet um pitchers used to pitch complete games without breaking down uh Warren Spahn and Juan Mara show Bob Gibson or maybe it was Bob Gibson maybe it was Gibson and one of those dudes whatever it was one marriage show okay pitched a it was Zero it was no score after 15 Innings both starters were still in WoW I mean that is just so Unthinkable yeah I mean uh Christy Matheson in the 1905 World Series yeah I'm getting this because I'm friends with George Wilson he's in historian everything about everything no greater Authority absolutely amazing no dispute here but uh Christy Matheson pitched uh in the World Series pitch three times each on one day rest all shutouts I just and these guys nobody goes nine innings it's very rare and they're always hard yeah how do you explain that we're supposedly healthier in the modern era and yet well here's the thing so advanced technology you put stuff in your body a that strengthens you but also Shields you from the level of attrition this is just me speculating the level of attrition that athletes were once subjected to so in other words it's like a boxer that never stepped into the ring if you step into the ring and you're practicing your craft and you get knocked upside your head you get used to it now too much of it you'll be you you'll be walking around like a vegetable eventually but you get used to it the point is you've never had to subject yourself to what the previous generation of players had to subject themselves to so once your body encounters that you don't know how to handle it but here's the biggest thing in my opinion here's the biggest thing in my opinion it's not that injuries didn't happen back in the day they played through it because they had to make money they had to continue playing these dudes are getting eight nine figure salaries and so guess what it's guaranteed you could sit out the money is still coming and you want to to sit out to ensure that you get a new contract that's gonna pay you even more to last longer some of it they just couldn't play through right I mean some of them some of it right yes so you're saying it's a mental thing you're saying they were just tougher and there was like rub dirt on them to get out there well it's not just that I mean but it was more on the line they had second jobs but so you're saying what was it the only source of income but if Max sure sure pitched three games three complete games with one day arrest between each he would have a dead arm yes that's true okay but apparently these dudes didn't how do you explain that I can't I know it's a great mystery right but I will tell you this even though you're right about the analogy you provided they wouldn't need a full four days off and pitching every five days if they had to pay they had to play for that check and they would have to go out and get a second job when the season was over the money encourages them to wait until they could get to a hundred percent or close to it because you have to understand these guys signed a contract and build the first day they're thinking about is the next contract how do I make sure that I position myself to get more of this paper before I walk away I'm not blaming them but I'm just saying that's what it is no I know that's what it is well I can't sign on to that there's something physical yeah yeah I think you're underplaying the physical there's something actually physically different and it could be the food we eat who who the [ __ ] it's always that's what we put the sugar I'm guilty that the sugar right and everything else I mean again it's just these I always say for meat or whatever within a meat if I write them ever write a book about medicine I'm not going to but it would be called now you tell me because they're constantly not knowing something giving you no information or bad information and then telling you and so do I think we will someday get the answer yes I do of why the athletes today are so much more frail and it'll do some it have something to do with things we do to ourselves today that they didn't back then it could be Metals in our body okay Mercury and yeah you know I remember what your man Chris Rock once said the money's in the medicine right so that too and then what happens is you feel pain you feel discomfort you go to those Western doctors that they tell you about did you alluded and they tell you you need rest you need this surgery surgical procedure you need this medicine and you listen because what you're after is longevity to position yourself to get more people that's how I've yet to answer but that's how I view it yeah oh no I think it's I mean when you think about let me get some more descendancy do you please do yes when you think about what uh um ice I'm good um when you think about like what people used to work for I remember when I was in high school and Ali Frazier was on the cover of Time Magazine we got Time magazine in my house and it's a big Splurge yeah you know it's probably 95 cents a copy or something and it was I think the cover was the three million dollar Fighters yeah because they were sharing a person three million which was like amazing 1971 1974 yeah I think it was 70 what was not Ali Frazier and you're and I'm guessing you're at Big Ali Yes Man my all-time Idol all right well I have quibbles I must tell you so what I have quibbles I must tell you okay and and by the way when I was like a kid I thought he was awesome also and he is I mean it's like maybe the most charismatic athlete if not human right um but one did not like the way he treated Joe Frazier I agree that was gross I agree I'm friends with his daughter Laila Ali and you know we've never talked about it but that was that was the one issue that I had with him oh as a black man on one hand you absolutely positively idolized him because he was willing to take a stand and fight for what he believed was right and fight against the system which is something we always appreciate on the other hand Joe Frazier was a black man too and to ridicule him that way yeah especially after when Ollie wasn't working Joe Frazier lent him money yes I mean it was yeah all for the money yeah yeah absolutely the other thing I mean you mentioned stood up yes he did and I remember you know as a liberal kid in New Jersey and like we were like yes he's the hero he wouldn't go to the war I also in later years could imagine a soldier in Vietnam in the rice paddy with the bullet whizzing past his head thinking wait he's The Brave One um yeah you know what I'm saying yeah I feel you I could see a guy thinking that but they would be not that they would ever you don't ever want to call a soldier particularly Soldier serving our country wrong but what you want to say is this he was saying they shouldn't be over there you know like no Vietnam it wasn't like he was saying I'm not going right to hell with y'all he was saying they should be over there either you're doing stuff right here in this country that's egregious but it had the added virtue of not actually having to go to Vietnam that's true which I can't deny I I could see yeah if I was him in in that if I was a great boxer in that position it's ridiculous but I could see my Machiavelli and my I'm thinking oh I can uh kill two birds with one stone here and one of these two birds is not going to be it not that's right you know it's uh I I look I think it's smart going you know letting yourself get sent to Vietnam was well let's call it what it is I mean listen I was born in 1967. and so when you think about certain things particularly as it pertains to our government on one hand you want to Revere celebrate and show appreciation for our soldiers our men and women who go and fight on my on our behalf on the other hand you look at our country and you look at the nation's capital and politicians who are making this decision and none of them deserve to be trusted none of them and they're the ones making these decisions about what we're going to do how we're going to do it when we're going to do it etc etc and that was back in the day when there was some level of Civility and you thought you could find compromise not when everybody is saying that I'm on the right side or I'm on the left side and so you're going with this side because it's the left and that's the way you're supposed to be but you're going on this side because it's the right side and that's the way you're going to be and the other [ __ ] that's associated with it is what's disgusting most because there's no way on Earth that you agree with everything but you can run across people who are like-minded and they don't agree on everything but they've tried to convince us because of this two-party system we're dealing with that you're either on the right or you're on the left and you can't be independent as I would tell as I would afford you for being an independent listen I know you're a liberal I know that but I can't emphasize enough how much I applaud the things that you say when you call out either side because it's it's the fact of the matter is in this day and age when you look at all of these channels build more I can make a legitimate argument that you're worthy of more trust than almost anybody on television all right second that opinion when it comes to politics absolutely yeah you're actually worthy I mean you're totally right about it because you'll call them both out yes and I'll just say what's real I mean that's my brand that's what I'm selling um but uh I know from politicians who come on the show I mean when they whenever they present me uh you know in a staff meeting with like upcoming guests you know you know if I can yay or nay it you know like always anyone who's a sitting politician is always an eye roll for me wow and sometimes we have why because because being a sitting politician you're going to be talking points full of [ __ ] not necessarily full of [ __ ] but you just stick to your story you're not having the they're not talking like we're talking right we're just [ __ ] talking absolutely that's okay and we don't have to worry about votes we don't have to worry about remaining an office we don't have to be worried about catering we're two guys in a nightclub yeah okay we're in club random we're drinking we're smoking that's right okay just smoking but okay okay this is the opposite of what you're gonna get yeah from a politician I get it they're there not for me they're there for them that's why they don't even half the time try to answer the question the first thing they learn is don't answer the question say what you want to say exactly so that's not that's not fun for me right you know it's [ __ ] without a dick it just sucks well I wouldn't know that no I wouldn't know what that's what that means but it doesn't sound good okay right so you know the second they're out of office yeah or retiring suddenly they're 50 better and he's not completely better I think you and I have this in common you have your show and because of just show and what it's branded on you may elect to interview them fine I do right fine I'm the kind of guy I don't want to talk to him if your ass was lying in office for four years eight years 12 years 20 years how the hell on you as an office I don't want to hear and by the way my position is consistent because doing sports right you've got people who want to be in television and you know what I say to them your ass was quiet all of those years you never had a damn thing to say why the hell should I want you on TV now no when you had an opportunity to be substantive and say some say some stuff while you were in a position to resonate you passed so don't come to me now wanting to be on TV when you had nothing to say before that's a big deal of me that's just me I don't know I mean again you might be a little different I get it I respect it but that's just me no I'm that's just me I am you yeah you know I mean I I got my show first time yeah you were Spartacus I got my show first take on on ESPN every week that morning I'm like this right no it ain't coming on hell no they ain't say [ __ ] before and you're not learning about hockey no that will not no I'm telling you they will not have that I know you I love Gary Pittman I'm gonna go to a game you know when there's issues that's different but them and I ain't discussing our exes I don't know anything you are a bad man for doing that yeah really yeah I'm not lying it's a very studly move yeah to not learn about hockey it really is hey I think it's a buck is black I think you should get the black NAACP man your reward for not learning about it NASCAR 2 now NASCAR too I'm like who the hell is this there should be an award that the uh or the what's the other big uh award show that's uh Essence the ESPYs the essence the Essence Awards SB Awards well SB Sports yes um but I'm talking about the award for not learning about stupid white chicks that would be that sense that would be the essence right you know yes BET Awards yeah all that no you just and and what do you think uh where do you I hate this sounds so trite but like you're doing a podcast now yes it's not sports that's right you're obviously a guy who can talk about anything and you do and you know the way you even Sports a butt like that punter right no Sports abuts politics all the time because sports issues become political yeah um look at the vaccine in Kyrie Irving and maybe they can't race racial issues I mean you can't avoid it no again so you're kind of a political commentator already if you're a thoughtful sportscaster Howard Cosell was that was my idol and Bob Costas and Brian Gumbel I got to tell you I had this thing I came across that I obviously pulled out of TV Guide okay 1971. all right and it was an ad for um ABC team local TV this was TV Guide I guess it's the New York New York area so this is Jersey right so and it was um um the the team the the ABC sports team right and it was co-selling to other guys Dan did off yeah I don't know who the and and it said uh and I guess the other two guys were former players yes they were and it said two guys Frank Gifford and Dan ditto I believe two guys who made it because they played ball and one guy because he never played ball that's right Howard Cosell that's correct and I framed it and gave it to Bob Costas no and I regretted every day so I'll never get another one yeah no I thought he you know well let me tell you something Bob Costas is an authoritarian and he is a guy that is one of the most brilliant broadcasters that has ever graced this business there is nothing I repeat nothing when it comes to sports that he cannot do no he is absolutely phenomenal and he said he was one of the people that set the standards the [ __ ] you'd have to learn if you did the Olympics I mean can you imagine like I I'm guessing I've covered the Olympics I covered the Olympics in 2000 and Sydney Australia in 2004 in Athens Greece and I never want to go back and I've never been back it's a nightmare because I didn't have the television right so I'm sitting 20 minutes away 20 feet away from the athletes with a tape recorder sticking my arm out trying to ask a question I'm never going back no I I should be a more patriotic Olympic Watcher than I am also I don't watch the Olympics I know there's some great stuff somebody watch moments somebody should and probably has put together a you know make a two-hour documentary on every Olympics yeah I would totally watch that right here's we boiled it down to two hours of great stuff that's right but to have it all does that exist for two weeks long right no you want to hear the big name and you want to see the actual event here's what it is let's say for example there's a swimming event or even if there's a bobsled event or if there's a track event or whatever what you do is you turn it on right at the moment that event is coming on keep it on there for two three minutes and turn the Damn Channel and get back to doing what you were doing unless it's a basketball game or whatever boxing is an absolutely too much work also too much backstory yes you know he was mauled by the chair in curses again and I don't care and now you know his brother is his biggest fan yes even though he's very nice very their sister you know it's just I want to get back to what you said though about political commentary because I got a confession to make to you right here your show Real Time with Biltmore is the one show in my entire career I've never wanted to get invited on because I was scared to death because I was like this I don't like we've invited you many times let me tell you something I I mean I I would come on now that I'm sitting across for you but I'm just saying for you I know you know what the hell you're talking about and you're you're not about the BS and so for me I know what might be going on in a moment I know what I read I have a perspective but I never ever ever try to come off as an Aficionado I know basketball I know boxing I know sports but not I I know I know what I'm reading but I don't know and so that's a big thing to me well I mean I think you're first of all selling yourself a little short but um it's better than being arrogant and also like uh it doesn't have to be you know we've always wanted you to come on in the beginning yeah you know which is a one-on-one thing and especially when it was in your wheelhouse because you know there are these sports issues that are I mean very prevalent in society in general I mean look how much Jackie Robinson to use the Paramount example of Sports changing Society you related to everything and that's the important point if you're talking we just finished talking about Kyrie Irving that wasn't about sports that was about a sports figure involved in a very real life issue what I'm saying and that's what you do and so for me it's like it's it's gonna do it I'm gonna do it but I'll tell you this I tell you this so just but what I do especially while I'm happy I got a podcast is because I got my opinions and I'll express it I'll do my interviews but to me my gift one of my gifts has always been this is who you should listen to that's who you should listen to that's who you should listen to It's about pointing people in the direction where they can get real substantive information and that's where to me because a lot of people when you work in nine to five or whatever it is like most of the world is doing there on their grind they're just trying to survive they don't know where to go right they don't know where to go and so when the fact that there's a younger demographic for example that gravitates to me that 18 to 34 that 25 to 49 demographic a lot of my a lot of times I'll tell them did you see final did you did you see did you see you know new rules with with Bill Maher did you see did you see wolf Blitz and what he said did you see and yes I will say did you see your show ahead of your somebody and what they say I go back and forth back and forth Just to let people get both sides and let them know all right here's where you go to get that perspective this is me I always like it when you like give the younger Generations who are acting a little fragile yeah no quarter none that's one thing that really yeah it attracts me to your commentaries on stuff like it's a real world well like after a foul shot we always have to hit everybody's hand yeah why even when you miss yeah I think if you miss what am I slapping your hand for what God damn it you missed congratulations you missed is it is this especially in crunch time you know we need you to hit these damn free throws right I'm not Pat you were like damn it make the shot it's obviously such a chore for all of them too they just seem to do it ritually like yes okay if I don't like Phil will be hurt but what the [ __ ] and then you sensitive to the crowd they're born I mean we go out there and we work as hard as we can but God damn it you're getting paid 35 million hours also do they I think they're trying to hear that get it done that generation needs such constant reinforcement that's what that says to me that's the way they were raised yeah hey high five you just missed a foul shot try another one if you miss it well high five you know what you write and I wouldn't have as nearly I don't blame you for laughing because you're right I wouldn't have nearly really as much of a problem with it if the real world was like that but the fact of the matter is when you get away from your cocoon where y'all are doing that in your respective profession in the moment and you go out there in the streets or you go out there in Corporate America you go out there in the real world that is not what's going to happen so why are we encouraging what what is just phoniness as far as I'm concerned I don't think it's the right way because I want the answer to that is or the the I shouldn't say answer that's misleading the response yeah I don't know which is right because I've made the same point that it's not going to be like that in the real world right and then I've heard people say except that generation they're changing that world yes it becomes their world like like a good example of that would be returning to work you know they don't want to do it right they like staying at home in their pajamas they're [ __ ] up the kids okay that's not the real world but if they in Mass refuse to go back to the office which is happening in some places corporations have no choice but to what are they going to fire everybody yeah and then you can let the ass go and get people who want to come into work and earn some money but yes but can you if the entire generation is like that maybe you can I don't think that the entire generation is going to be like that because I think people live in the moment and and the potential cost to them at that time something doesn't want to always be division is some people are going to accept it some people are not and by the way who the hell said that you have to like everything your bosses want but listen you think listen I've been very blessed and fortunate you think I like everything my bosses want from me right that I like everything my boss's request for me hell half the time I get on my damn nerves sometimes but it's the job and if I signed up to do the job I got an obligation to deliver what they asked me to I mean in all fairness a you're paid a lot and it's a fun job now so like the combination of money and fund that's if most people would be more than happy and that's why most people want to be influencers or [ __ ] like that I mean like a staggering number of people under 30 when asked the question what do you want to be when you grow up influencer in other words I just want everyone to look at me like me and want to do the things I do and where the things I wear but don't they get annoyed but don't you get annoyed at people who look at you and what you accomplished and pay no attention to what it took to get you there you ain't lazy no you didn't sit up there and just pop up on the screen and all of a sudden you know you build more hell no no you have to put you have to be on your grind you have to put in that work and every Star that I've known has had to put in work and so for me one of the things I got this little pet peeve and I had this discussion with Dwyane Wade one day you might want to talk to him he's a really interesting guest I love him he's a good dude he's a great dude great this is this is I had this conversation with him one day when he was on my show and he said you could be whatever the one you want to be I said no the hell you can't you could be whatever your gifts allow you to be right and only then if you put in the work this notion that you could just wake up well I well Devin I want to be an NBA player bill I wasn't good enough I wasn't good enough I could Ball but not to not to the level these cats could boil and it was good enough to get a scholarship it wasn't good enough to go pro wow period also there's one really key thing that would proclude you from being a basketball player no matter how good you were height how about that how about that not always though I mean Kyrie's a legit sister you need height Kyrie's a legit 6-1 he's spectacular okay he's a superstar six one is pushing it but doable five years six feet five eight is nine okay yeah they've had Nate Robinsons of the world yes it happens for a little few but it's an operation such and it's always such a liability on defense fair enough that it it doesn't it can never let you ain't lasted you ain't laughing it ain't a long fruitful career that you're gonna have and it's been a while since we had one I think Nate Robinson was the last one they just gave up on the concert yeah especially now because the game has evolved well you got cats shooting threes all over the place guess what if you short it ain't like you can defend against them so they got an open path to the basket in terms of their Visual and they're not worried about you and stuff like that so the game has changed and really has hurt the short of God I I must confess to you not you but I'm using you as a construction like I'm in church um I almost want to jettison basketball watching sometimes because the referee because you know if you're invested in it even though I fully admit watching sports is the greatest single waste of time in my life the things I could have done the plays I could have written and I'm not even like a crazy sports fan but I watch football on you know the days it's on usually at least partly and I watch I try not to watch baseball until the playoffs but the Mets I'm very was involved with them you know they're going to the playoffs they got a chance yeah they better win the division otherwise they're going to lose in the postseason they they better win the division so they have to take the Dodgers to the NLCS and I love the basketball playoffs yeah but first of all this when you're approaching the basket you there's no amount of just running without dribbling right a guy like 10 featuring the messages like shuffles his feet is traveling right but then they like does that mean with the strike zone either change the rule it bothers my anal mind like just it bothers me that either change the rule to fit what's the reality or just say that let me tell you something that you may have missed about the World of Sports as it pertains to basketball but I want you to pay attention to it because it's going to be very interesting and I promise you you can bring this up on your show hmm gambling gambling that's where the officiating right has really come into play remember 2018 Supreme Court gave the okay for states to engage in sports gambling because of that you have football basketball baseball all of them are going to be in a position to get the piece of the action if you know nothing else about owners understand they're greedy they want to get paid they want extra Revenue and so what happens is is that if you're a league how do you do that while making sure that the Integrity of your sport is cemented to such a degree that you can bring gambling in and it doesn't compromise the Integrity of the sport you do that by being stricter about the rules which the referees have to enforce they're not a therapist no I don't know oh no no no that is not I don't call Travelers listen you can say they don't call traveling but they make a lot of calls that they didn't used to make and it's like it's become a lot of times you see these guys 43 throws a game the um you know the drawing fouls by pushing by falling into somebody and all that all that cosplay they try to eliminate it's like the the drawing the offensive fouls and and they tried to eliminate that but in the end come on man that God that gambling pay attention to that because it's you talking about that's so true you talk about billions I mean I think people just don't remember a time and I do when there was one place in America where you could gamble yeah called Las Vegas I mean when I was a kid yeah I think that was the only place yeah and because I remember Atlantic City opened like late 70s something like that and that was like oh wow yeah now the East Coast has their version and yeah and of course it never went anywhere good Governor Chris Christie was pushing for gambling New Jersey Roger Goodell and the NFL resisted it and then now they realize he was right with what he was pushing for who was right Christy he was talking you're saying this is that this is inevitable it is you can try to act I mean it isn't but it's coming they should I mean look yeah so first it was just Vegas then Atlantic City and then like you know like okay we're on a Riverboat like like why do we have to like go to this we're on a river so we're not breaking anywhere like please how does Jesus find that how about that's horrible I don't get it I don't get it either okay so but then so then there was that and then States had lotteries and then States uh any place that was like economically challenged would petition hey if we had a casino here in the Catskills let me tell you something I don't buy that you ever been to Atlantic City Halloween's last time you play it every year man it's bad I know it's bad I know and all they got there is casinos and people lose the money every day it's so sad but it's so sad that one they they could not have made it a version of Vegas it's not a secret sauce you have to know how to be a showman and Vegas does and like nobody in Atlantic City ever even tried well the thing about Atlantic City in my opinion is just an opinion looking on the outside in that they've never gotten about Vegas is not just casinos that's what I'm saying yes exactly it's about being it's a show exactly they have shows just as much as they have casinos yeah okay they have the shows at the casinos the fact is Atlantic City when you think about I live an hour away from Atlantic City Atlantic City when you think about Atlantic City you think about gambling you don't think about shows I'm not saying shows don't exist but you don't think about it you think about gambling you think about casinos Vegas you think Sin City everything goes they got everything but you also have in Vegas the wow factor that's what they do yes it's and to me it's very often not a wow but you know I do I have one to see um and I'm telling you they're pretty wowie it is especially the one with the water it's you know Hey listen to this one you know and I went to a certain delay I mean yeah I saw it it was great but here's the interesting part think about this Jerry Jones the owner for the Dallas Cowboys has a stadium a t Stadium yeah that seats 100 000 plus fans and one of the biggest jumbotrons you could ever imagine and people have passed that up to be at a T-Mobile Arena that seats about nine thousand to twelve thousand people think about that what do you mean in Vegas in other words you could have an event in Dallas in Arlington Texas yeah or you could have it in Vegas and they have it in Vegas anyway even though it only it seats again because Cher is in Vegas there you go it's that's the whole that's my point and look I remember that when uh Steve wind oh God was this the Bellagio I feel like did he own that I don't know I feel like it was that hotel but it was definitely Steve I met him in 2015. Steve win yes you know who introduced me them no Donald Trump I'm sure I was in the restaurant course and they told me don't leave that Donald Trump saw me and he wanted his hello yeah and he brought Steve win over to meet me and that was Donald Trump before he was president always Charming in person always Charming the person before he was president no and probably now I've never met him since he's playing this character no I mean he's he's definitely been transformed yes but anyway so Steve Wynn remember he had this thing for years the great arch of the world and he spent something like probably half a billion dollars buying or at least renting on loan like the paintings that Joe Blow knows right you know what I mean yeah starry starry night you know Vincent van Gogh just everything's short of the Mona Lisa right but things that like you know the average person and it was a wow thing that wowed people and these people didn't come they didn't oh great we're going to go to a museum but they made a museum into a hot ticket because it was like the greatest hits of art through history you know I think I'm not surprised yes I'm not surprised I love his hotel though that's one of my favorite places to stay to win the win the win Hotel not the Trump yeah Trump Plaza but the wind hotel in Vegas right one of my favorite places to stay but that's where Atlantic City never learned they never learned to to like make it a thing and they also in the bigger tragedy they should have lifted that poor neighborhood that City absolutely and it just shows you that whoever's in office The graft the corruption well it'll get so deep that is corruption no question because people go up in there and there for themselves first of all let's call a couple of things you fly into Vegas you're in Vegas and you go to your respective Hotel there's a casino at every Hotel blah blah blah you flying when you go into Atlantic City you most people ain't flying the Atlantic City they're flying into Philadelphia they're flying in the Newark International Airport that you got to drive about an hour to Atlantic City I say what they bus people into it exactly so that's problem number one number two well problem excuse me that's because the population is so much bigger than what's around Vegas what's around Vegas nothing nothing you got to really go out of your way to get there Atlantic City is feeding from Philadelphia yes the Jersey suburbs in New York I mean you've got tens and tens and tens of millions of people this is a obviously not a no-brainer you're making money you're in a state with no state income taxes let's pay attention to all that stuff the [ __ ] matters New Jersey has no status no no I said Nevada Nevada Las Vegas yes yes all of these things play a role in the in the adage the Mantra Sin City what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas it gives you the veneer the impression yeah you do anything here right and it's all right you go back to the real world when you finish you know Jersey don't give you that no I'm sure there are many people in the midwest who many especially men who think I'm going to Vegas I'm just going to the strip club exactly I'm a gamble I'm gonna win some money I'm gonna give me a stripper I'm gonna get loose and then I did that and I'm gonna go home like nothing that's what they thinking that's that's the plan okay that ain't the real world but damn it it's a fantasy that Vegas sells very very good I have read that their sexual intercourse allowed if you buy a bottle in the Champagne Room I think they're then very disappointed but but Vegas is I mean I love it I play there like six times a year yeah I've been at the Mirage I'm gonna go see one of your shows I would love to have you I would definitely come you have my word I will definitely come my last special adult thing you'll laugh your ass off okay that's on HBO it's just on I'm sure you can find it on HBO now watch it but I want to come to you one of you absolutely in person I want to be there um I don't really play La much but I'll find out the dates I'll come to you if you're in Vegas I'll find you I will no problem I'll definitely come fly out with me yeah I'll definitely come through man it's a great deal with the Mirage I can get your room yeah I'm good well uh I'll be there I always have and it's a very quick trip like I will fly um Friday no oh yeah Friday they won't be Friday Saturday yeah yeah we have a fly Friday night we'll be home Saturday night after after the second show so I'll only stay over one night yeah that's the pro that to me that's the way to do Vegas I love Vegas but not a big dose that's right not a big deal not an arm I like to get in and get out right get in that's how I wonder about Miami you get in yes spectacular Miami is great Miami get out Miami's get in get out Vegas with a beach that's right you got a lot to say man is that a haunt of yours is that a haunt of yours Miami in a place I love Miami yeah but you do it is special why because you're I've had a good I've had a lot of good times Miami is not very good to me yes wow that is true failure it sounds like you're not married I'm not I'm not I'm not eventually it might happen um I was you know I was a guy that was on the road for 250 days 200 to 250 days out of the Year sounds like a perfect one I didn't get married because ain't no way in hell I'm going under my marital Valves and I'm on the road 200 to 250 throughout the you know and so you know I have no shame in saying that because I think that you have a lot of married people who who um violate their marital vows and I'm proud to say that I'm not somebody that ever did that hey enough about Adam Levine everyone everyone's piling on for [ __ ] sake give the guy a break I have no comment on him I was saying this to Jane but um right uh Daryl Hall from Hall and Oates was here a couple weeks ago I loved him great voice private eyes man one of the greatest songs ever private eyes yeah yeah no that's my favorite songs of amazing records absolutely but I asked him about uh you know because it must be so hard to be a rock star and be faithful and he just went impossible yeah yeah but you know people it's like it's not popular for people to say that and it's like right well wait a minute you know I'm 54 so my attitude is different now but when I was younger and on the road 200 to 250 days out of the year it was a different animal and it wasn't even about oh you with this one this one that one it was about you knew you wanted to be and you knew that you would if you had the opportunity to so why would you go and get married and commit to somebody knowing that your mom was someplace else no matter what you did or didn't do your mind was elsewhere and a lot of times you see America tries to teach folks well you know do this because this is the right thing to do was the right to lie is it right to cheat is it is it is it right to violate vows that you made shut the hell up if you're a hoe say you're a hoe yes I'm saying I mean if you're not you're not I mean if you you don't even have to be a whole if you're aspire to be a hoe you don't need to be married and so I mean it's really it's really that simple but once you become a dead which I am and you know things change right yes I never think of that either but that's the that was my main reason why I never got married was like I just can't ever look someone in the eye at some point and honestly say you are the only person I ever want to [ __ ] for the rest it's just it's just it's hard and don't say that I mean to be honest this whole okay so it's just hot but I mean we do it we try we try to do it but damn it it ain't easy okay so let's break this down yeah if you can't honestly say that but you can't and then if you're in a relationship you are there just as Sherlock Holmes would say eliminate the impossible and I mean the improvable what's left is the truth uh you have to lie let me have to lie because you can't say to somebody if you're gonna get married you have to lie right right that's true you have to but I will say this to you you have to you do get older and as you get older here's what I would tell you that you ever want to I mean especially as men you always have an aspiration to go out there and and damn it sow your Wild Oats be loose whatever whatever phrase theology you want to use women are so attractive but they're just beautiful they're just they're just they just are but when you got a beautiful one okay and you look at yourself and you go like this now here's the key nobody wants to ever admit this bill but he stayed with me on this you see you don't have you don't always have a problem when you wasn't getting any when you were somebody that damn didn't struggled to buy some okay because people just women just didn't want you they just didn't want you but but if but if you are somebody that that was not an issue you do get to a point where you learn to value that one person that's in your life because you've been to the circus as they say you've done it and you can't have them all right yeah I've heard that forever and I don't that doesn't stop you from wanting I don't care about this I don't get it either I know I mean because what you're saying is this been to the circus I've heard that and I you know it's like saying um you know you've had a lot of great meals right so just stop eating that's true but I had a lot of great meals but I'm living now let me tell you living now can I speculate about about no no can I speculate about you and why you connect about why your mentality may be different than most yes I'm gonna go back to health oh okay we're going back to my you take listen to this you take care of yourself you talked about obesity you talked about yeah people are too heavy they're unhealthy I remember when you gave a new rules on you know folks are not healthy I remember that that was a great I mean you you were on point all right you didn't say [ __ ] wrong you didn't say [ __ ] wrong keep it I totally agree I totally agree with you right on subjects and nobody else will that's right so because you were pointing out because how unhealthy we are as a society right your bill there's a whole bunch of unselfish folks that I mean I'm sorry unhealthy folks out here right and so a lot of times we don't want to admit it but when you want to settle down you're looking at your own mortality and you're not just thinking about damn this um there's a new honey I want to hook up with you're not thinking about that you thinking about who's going to be there for you when you sick who's going to be there for you to minimize the stress because you got [ __ ] you want to do you think about all of that and I'm saying you you build more because you take care of yourself you ain't walking around on a quarter quarter healthy you can afford to have a healthier attitude towards I should be a solo yes the sick thing is that's my speculation no I I think uh again no not on the furniture um the I think your I've thought that point a lot about the the sick thing like that that is a common thing people say to you about when they're urging you to like hook up with someone permanently they're like don't you want someone there when you're sick and I'm like that is the time I most want to be alone when I'm sick I don't want people around when I'm sick first of all you can't have fun with them because you're [ __ ] sick right and you're gross and you know it and so you're like a little self-conscious yeah and like why have someone there I don't I mean I can answer that I I can answer that you know what it is she there for you then she there for you when it counts so you know what you better but what what is it like because when I'm saying she's gonna be there for you if she could save me from dying I would totally get married because like yes if you can that's what nurses the doctors for don't actually stop me from dying like because that helps because that helps because that is what I most fear right and that is what I will be doing alone no matter how much a woman is behind me she can't stop me when stop that happening I know you're interviewing me but I gotta ask I'm not interviewing anything we're having a conversation we're having a conversation but I'm in club random I get it yeah I got this question I got this question though are you scared of dying well it doesn't thrill me yes I would say that that's one of those things I think is probably deep in our unconscious every once in a while I feel like something uh reveals that oh unconsciously yes you're probably that's probably a stress point for you because you know I mean it's going to happen to all of us and I'm now and the you know age range where it starts to happen more I you know feel exactly the same as I always have but you know you're aware that your your body is you know aging you can't stop it so yeah I mean mortality is as heavy as it gets I can tell you this about me I have no fear I shouldn't say no really I have one fear I want my daughters I got two daughters I want them to grow their teenagers I want them to grow older where they're okay right that's it really outside of that I don't care let me tell you what I care about I care how I die I don't want to be in pain I don't want to be ravaged with cancer I don't want to get in I don't want to get eaten alive I don't want to die that get burned alive or something like that but I really really really me personally I'm just telling you me I don't have any fear outside of my daughters I have no fear because I I'm gonna say this and you know I'm not somebody that cusses too much on air but I will tell you I think this world is [ __ ] up I really really do well I don't enjoy well I don't enjoy being a part of what I'm witnessing transpire and so for me personally yeah I make the most of it I ain't gonna kill myself or anything like that but I'm telling you but if if my daughters are okay and they're going to live a healthy fruitful life and I've set them up nicely which I believe I'm doing I'm good I'm good I don't want to it's how I die that I'm worried about not dying I'm not concerned well then we're different yeah because I mean how I die yes I I definitely think getting eaten alive yeah hell no would be better than like a long drawn out one did you ever see the movie Legends of the Fall yeah really no I mean I don't remember it was years really years ago but I did my favorites and uh Brad Pitt uh spoiler alert at the very last frame gets you know and so he gets eaten by a bear and the Indian is like it was a good death that's right and I think I ain't going out like that I don't want nothing to eat meat bro I don't wanna need me I'm sorry I know I'm sorry I don't want it I don't want any of it I want to die peacefully yeah that's it I lived a good life I never tried to hurt anybody no I told I told my truth I tried to be as fair-minded I got into an argument with just a player today I ain't gonna say his name but I was saying that you know you disagree with something that I said a professional athlete and I'm like yo I was fair I picked up the phone I called your ass right you weren't available other people were they gave me a perspective I said it because it it rhymed with what I felt period but I'm always Fair as long as I'm fair and Humane I sleep well yeah and I'm good I'm really not I'm not somebody I don't want to live till I'm 100 120. I find this disingenuous I think when people when these people I don't wanna when you get there you'll want one more day fair you will want one for a day fair fair my example is always George Harrison of The Beatles okay because he was the spiritual Beetle remember it was all about the next life and Harry Christian My Sweet Lord I can't wait to meet you I can't wait to meet you right well when he got cancer suddenly he wanted to wait right but why Bill why did he want to because we all want to live okay let me ask to this question is it that you want to live or you're scared of what awaits you once you die both and I'm and I'm saying why do I have to choose I want to live because like I like oh I think of this a lot of time I'm like oh man if I die I'll miss the playoffs right like literally like like it's like I will I will I could give a nice I mean look I've had a lucky life with doing a job I like okay your friends and blah blah blah there's been bumps in the road and hurts and lots of bad [ __ ] but generally there's a lot of things and I love being this age because you're more in control you're wiser right you know I mean you just don't stumble over as much so like I there's lots of things in my life that I like you know and some of them are very most of them are probably you would think Monday dinner with friends okay and the playoffs and my music and like I don't want to miss that because I I I I I yeah I can never listen to this song again that's crazy it seems very minor but I could live forever that that's that's cool we brothers and we Brothers but we brothers from a different mother so let me say this to you well let me say this to you respectfully that's the white perspective that's your perspective interesting let me give you the black perspective world is shitty you constantly scratching and clawing just for equality you think you get to equality and then the rules constantly change back to what they once were in a different way but back to what they once were to remind you you ain't on an equal playing field you still feel that way hell yeah so then you go through that right and one day after another after another is a constant scratching and chlorine and battling you got people now [ __ ] you can bring up the Ku Klux Klan they'll even tell you we ain't bothering those folks let him kill themselves let them call each other sellouts and Coombs let them divide each other amongst themselves let them figure out let them be as clueless as they can be about what's going on let them kill one another Chicago St Louis the list goes on and on let them do all of this [ __ ] let him sounds passive I mean what I'm saying is is that they can afford to be passive what happens is [ __ ] is so much stuff has happened right just like this white or white violence it's like the Latino Latino by this I understand it but we the ones that make up 13 of the population the Census Bureau of infection the Census Bureau report doesn't say that we're going to be 30 of the population in 2030. like they say about the Latino Community but much higher numbers of violent crime right it's a problem okay and so when you think about that I'm just making the point to say when you talk about wanting that wanting that tomorrow I'm not saying we don't what I'm saying is is that the value on life for us one would argue at times at the very least there's a little bit less than it is for other folks because other folks see lights at the end of the tunnel black folks a lot of times more often than not always but more often not we don't see light at the end of the tunnel and as a person that's achieved a lot I know but yeah sees the light at the end of the tunnel even I get to a point I tell you this and I got to confess this to you right here right now I'm gonna say it to you in your podcast I write it in my book my Memoirs coming out in January straight shooter and in the book I say my daughters are the greatest blessing that I've ever had they're also the greatest curse I regret bringing them into this world I think this world is that [ __ ] up and it scares me what they'll have to deal with it what they'll have to encounter it's bad enough where we have to encounter but it gets better you don't think do you think so I don't know look at come on come on I don't know wait wait I don't know you don't think America looks very different 2022 versus I don't know 1982 pick you were 15. I I do I do think that what I'm saying that the divisiveness that we see when I have to pray that let me see Real Time with Bill Maher because I'm getting an objective perspective I'm not getting that when I watch CNN or MSNBC I'm not getting that when I watch Fox News I'm not getting that when I listen to a leftist I'm not all Progressive I'm not getting that when I will listen to a right-wing Zealot and the impact that they have on our lives and you couple that with economic issues inflation and Beyond crime immigration policies and all of this other [ __ ] it's like damn boy I love my daughters to death but damn did I really do a good thing by bringing them into this world yes I I do find myself thinking can I give you perspective like I mean this is just something I don't know you from having a conversation I just always yeah I liked you and wanted you you wouldn't be here if I didn't like I appreciate it yeah a lot and wanted to get to know you that's what this is for sure I think you're over stressing about your daughters entering a world that is PR in a as big of the problems we have uh this world is not a [ __ ] nightmare this country is not a nightmare realistically what is going on in their lives that is such a [ __ ] nightmare I mean they're they're going off to college I imagine yes they will be okay eventually yes in about the next four or five years right and and they obviously have great support from you I mean financially and otherwise yes I mean I colleges are about the most liberal places you can go right you can't really be thinking that black women in 19 in 2022 are going to walk on campus and it's like oh my God there's black people at this college I mean you know well you can say what are we talking about that I'll tell that that is going to be so horrible in their lives I'll tell you I was watching new rules a few weeks ago and and Bill Maher pointed out how much the world has changed when you look at the progressives and what have you I mean every little thing is so Michael man you say one thing it can end your career of course you say one thing it could get you fired you say one thing it could get you at score excoriated it can compromise your income it could eradicate your quality of life Etc today that's what I'm talking about I'm not talking I'm talking about that so am I canceling yes I'm not talking about all of this other stuff yeah all of this other stuff we've been we've been through with this [ __ ] right it's too much okay it's too much right and anybody can get canceled but I'll tell you this as black women in America right now they have an e easier time not getting canceled than I do I'm the one who's playing with five fouls that's right I'm over 60 white male heterosexual yes that's four strikes that's right but think about that the fact that you can say that that's four strikes is a problem it is what's wrong with that I don't see anything wrong with any four categories you brought up and to be clarified I'm not saying four strikes in society in general I'm saying four strikes with the kind of woke Puritans is really what they are who are hunting on the internet for to cancel somebody just finding a reason to do it yes um yeah I mean you're you're like I mean a lot of people believe you you really shouldn't even be able to comment on racial issues if you're not it's ridiculous please it's ridiculous thank you it's ridiculous I totally agree with you I I know this is always reasons listen you got every right to comment on it just like anybody else of course I mean it's like and here's my point if you would if you disagree this is the problem this is one of the biggest problems that I have whether it's Bill Maher Stephen A Smith or anybody else you disagree with us tell us why right you want to cancel us without the explanation all right you want to cancel us without without Defending Your Position how dare you because say this because they don't have a position they don't have a position every week I say this the the the the same sort of Buzz kills on the internet who come after me engage with the argument and they never do thank you it's just uh you're old okay but am I wrong are you right are you wrong maybe that's why I'm right because I've lived and seen things you have and that's what I'm talking about yeah okay this is exactly what I'm talking about and that's what has me worried do you understand Bill let's put this in this proper perspective we are living in a society where if I disagree with the woman my tone has to be right right my vocabulary has to be right here but never remember Bill yes I'm live there's no seven there's not even a seven second delay I did my show live for I'm live 18 years I'm live I can't just you know listen my tone has to be right every adverb every verb every adjective has to be right pronoun I got to be Pro oh don't get me started with the pronouns now I got to I got to make sure I got my daughters coming home from school teaching me about the teaching me about the program because the schools have indoctrinated them to such a degree where they checking the parents and that's what I meant when I said they're changing the world so when you say oh well that's not going to work in the real world it is if it's their rules now it's their world I appreciate it it gives me hope what you're explaining I'm open I keep myself open-minded I don't think they're making it I'm not married to my position if I'm if I'm potential I'm just saying I will embrace it and I appreciate that but I will confess to you I thank you for that because it's scary as hell it's [ __ ] scary it's scary when we we see you when we worried about ourselves look man I ain't worried about me I'll deal with whatever I got to deal with I'm from the streets of Hollis Queens hell I could go I got millions in the bank because God has blessed me to have a few million dollars in the bank I grew up with nothing I'll be okay right I could live in an apartment tomorrow if I had to but when you got two daughters yeah that changes the game because you don't want them to have the life that you have and the fear comes in because you're looking at this world and you're like what the hell is going on and so this liberal that is Bill Maher goes on national television and he calls out the Liberals because you're saying like yo I'm with you but you hurt in our cause cause you're not handling business the way you supposed to and you preoccupy with [ __ ] hurting our cause and sometimes yes yes but also like not always my cause at all yeah like there's a lot of people we it's like wait wait wait no we timeout no not we don't speak for me right I mean Michael Moore I love him you're one of my best friends yeah he was on myself I like Michael Moore the other night and he said you know we have to get out there and vote and it was just like it was a a little off to me because I'm like and I even said to him Michael you know there are Republicans who watch this show yeah you know just let's unassum the we yeah you gotta earn my vote that's exactly correct and say and and to be real clear with you you know neither party really well is when I say we have to when I say we have to stop with the [ __ ] I'm not pointing the thing at progressives or conservatives I'm pointing it at both I'm saying what happened to us being the society that we're supposed to be we can have our differences with our political points of views and what our policies may be but the goal is supposed to be all of us being together in a civilized society and the society flourishing as a result of that it's not supposed to be I want my way [ __ ] your way that's not supposed to be it but that's what they've been doing and so for me when I think about what you're talking about I totally get it and I'm like okay that leaves us hope because you're looking for somebody to call people out because again we're both in the television business we pay attention to ratings and all of this other stuff and the reality of the situation is that Trump was good good for some people's ratings right bad for others and so you know he's gone now in ratings of altered not really bad for anybody well well you could say that but I know that I mean he was good for Fox and he was good for MSNBC well I'm talking about bad once he's gone he's bad for CNN was he not ratings-wise ratings why no everybody was not I don't think so okay everybody watch TV no Donald Trump was that that accident you couldn't take your eyes off that's right so people were just watching news right and and he was always doing something incredibly mental that you had to like that's right that's right so and you called him out for the things that he did for the things that he did it wasn't like I don't like the guy and like listen I don't like it I don't like the things he did I don't like what I've seen either I'd never vote for him that's the Surefire way you won't get my well you won't get my my vote on that side if he was the nominee can't vote for him he's too divisive I get that but I think as a black man let me be very very clear so you got civil rights legislation in 1964. you got Voting Rights Act in 1965. you got Lyndon Johnson that basically you know purportedly said purportedly I don't know whether it's true or not he says if we put forth this legislation we'll have the Negro vote in our favor for the next 50 years ever since that time black folks have voted Democratic for at least 90 percent of the time I understand what I'm seeing from the conservative side I don't like it and I know the shorthandities of the world the mark Levinson is where I know these people I thought you know I speak to them you know I I don't just I don't agree with their policies but I respect the fact that they're honest about where they stand they ain't sugarcoating it all right but then I go to the left and I'm like well you gotta vote I voted Democrat at least 99 the only Republican I've ever voted for was Chris Christie it's the only Republican ever because I thought Corazon was a crook okay and I was the only vote but it's only Republican I've ever voted for but I also look at it and I say my mentality why must I be so transparent on my support of one party over the other Because by being so transparent I got one party that's enabled me that that is allowed to take me for granted I got the other party that has a license to know ignore me because they know they're not going to get my vote because they've never gotten more than 10 percent of the vote since 1964. with the exception I think of maybe Trump that got 12 yeah okay and so as a result of that we're the ones that disenfranchise so when they invoked laws that would eradicate Jim Crow Well that took care of it in the South what about the north what about the West what about the Midwest what did you do for them because all of a sudden we got these issues and what I'm saying is is that I think like that and I appreciate the fact that I'm watching a guy every Friday night that thinks like that that's willing to say yo this is what it is okay that means a lot and that's what it is I'm sincere I'm sincere that's like the fact that you're willing to say hey well I got a second night now that's what I have to say yeah I got it thank you for the Hennessy yeah all right love this I can do it every week with you man I appreciate that we will have a Morning Show together I doubt that I don't like it I will not have gone to bed yet and you will just have gotten up and it'll be very interesting yeah all right amen thank you thank you so much buddy all right all right you know I I go right back to work on my real show now you know you know [Music]

Channel: Club Random Podcast

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Length: 101min 57sec (6117 seconds)

Published: Sun Oct 23 2022

Reddit Comments

[u/6___-4--___0]

Bill has gone full tin foil hat when it comes to medicine and wellness.

He will never get over being alone in his house for Covid

[u/JeebusOfNazareth]

I found this to be one of my favorites so far. I'm a pretty big sports fan but I can't stand Stephen A. on ESPN when he is laying on the schtick so over the top. In this setting he comes across much much more likable and insightful. They had good chemistry together.

[u/Kanobe24]

A guy who screams about sports and is often wrong about his sports opinions and a guy who knows nothing about sports.

[u/MattsterOfDisaster]

Everyone has their own flavor. Bill Maher speaks a language that hits home with a relevant amount of people, otherwise he wouldn’t have a job. For me, it’s not that I agree with him on every opinion that he has. I enjoy people who don’t throw a hissy fit when someone has a different political view or opinion. If you don’t want to have drinks with, shoot pool with, or watch football with someone because they have a few different opinions than you do, then that’s fine, but not all of us have to do that.

[u/HeyGirlBye]

his furniture reminds me of Pee Wee's playhouse

[u/drcornwallis23]

Did not expect them to mesh that well. Love when far different worlds collide

[u/New_Firefighter_1720]

This is truly one of the most inconsistent podcasts. Bill has no idea even how vaccines work but honestly I dont care. I have heard his view on cancel culture, vaccines, the young generation enough. Its just boring.

Like last week he spent 90 minutes talking to Chevy Chase about a bunch of random nonsense. So much better.

Man, I always will like Bill but 2 men who are worth 9 figures whose entire earnings are based on saying whatever in the hell they think complaining about cancel culture...I agree it kind of exists but give it up already.

[u/kasper619]

This was terrific

[u/[deleted]]

Yay I really needed Stephen A Smith yelling at me through one more screen in my house.