Spider Man: No Way Home - Caravan of Garbage

[Music] welcome back everybody to another episode of Caravan of garbage where we are wrapping up the Tom Holland Spider-Man trilogy that's right his origin story apparently yeah we got there didn't we we sure did fought a guy in space or whatever happened you know the things they discuss in this movie absolutely do you remember Spider-Man's origin when he helped save the universe and he learned a lesson or two about being a young man yeah that all the lesson he needed to become a friendly neighborhood Spider-Man and get cats out of trees or whatever and kill Jake Gyllenhaal yes that classic origin story yeah that's right yeah please leave a like on this video now listen Mason yes I know you and a lot of people have kind of soured on this movie right I no correction James I was always sour on this movie cuz when we reviewed it on our podcast the weekly Planet I remember saying I had an enormous amount of fun with this movie but if I could be a Teensy wiy tiny little bit critical I think the writing could have done with some work and people were like oh I actually don't think you know how to review movies by saying there might be something slightly wrong with this movie uh I think he went into this movie wanting to hate this movie uh I think you're a real DC Fanboy Marvel hater yeah and I am all those things are true but I stand by them until I'm paid money to not stand by them in which case I'll I'll do the El swio but look that's what I'm talking about right you need to look at this movie from the perspective of the time that it came out what like 2 years ago we're in Co all the movies were cancelled this movie was shot in a Cupboard nobody was in the same at any point that's right we got moving pictures on a screen and we were glad to have it no you're absolutely right I'm not saying it's great no I'm okay sure well I am saying it's great cuz my check just cleared so I'm just check I'm looking at my banking app and now it is great but yeah this works so much better with an audience sure when you don't know what's going to happen sure because there's even moments where there's pauses to cheer for the people that show up yes very noticeable I no not for me I still did it you still did it did you yeah anyway before we get into the nitty-gritty of all the things that you love about this movie now that your check's cleared I just want to talk about the relationship between Sony and Marvel because this had elapsed before this movie went into production fully so going forward with a new deal between Sony and Marvel which they both would benefit from Disney wanted the films to be financed on a 50-50 basis Kevin fige would remain as a producer but Sony though was saying no what we want to do is that Marvel receive about 5% of the first dollar gross and all of the merchandise okay sure it was up in the air for a while Tom Holland even called Bob Iger crying do you remember that story oh please Mr I just I don't leave me with Sony don't leave me in the morbius universe fair enough yeah Absolut very distressing I would be crying too so so the deal was you would cry too if it happened to you stuck in the Sony Universe sucks so Marvel of Disney now would receive about 25% of the profits this is according to variety Disney would retain the merchandising rights and they'd put up about a quarter of the financing and then Spider-Man could also appear in future MCU films Etc and so for Dre a guy you recognize in another property you recogniz I've seen a guy and I'm like that's beast that's KY gr's Beast he looks weird but he's here I don't think he is here no he wasn't there I think it was a stick with a tennis ball on it and they made him there with computers well there's a lot of that going on here because you have a theory and a little bit of research to back it up I have no re let me just say you've got a book in front of you Mason you brought a book for the first time in your life about the story of this and how it changed over time with re-shoot and development and all of that right should we get into that now let's do it well I mean you know as you previously mentioned you know we we were happy to have this because because you know it was during Co but blessed but also you know the production of this seems to have been a nightmare a lot of people have probably read this book the reign of Marvel Studios by Joanna Robinson Dave Gonzalez and Gavin Edwards and it's filled with hot juicy gossip about the production of the creation and the the enduring Legacy of the Marvel univers well according to the book uh because the screenplay was constantly in flux none of the actors could read a locked script yeah that's great isn't it they joined the Project based on their faith in feige and money also a bunch of money they would have got so much money for this the two returning Spider-Man all the Spider-Man well recently there was that interview with Tom Hollander who accidentally received one of Tom Holland's checks that's right and it was like more money than he had ever seen in his life and it was a fraction of a percentage of what he was going to get for one of the Avengers films right famously uh Andrew Garfield and Toby McGuire didn't sign on until like into filming yeah which is crazy what if they'd said no yeah I mean I guess Marvel would just add a zero to just con keep adding zeros to the end of the check I think they had W $100 and z0000 Z I'm in I think they did definitely have some ideas and I'm going to talk about some concept art for some stuff to link to this universe or their universes I should say I think they definitely had backup plans in place but this is half a movie if they hadn't have got them in yeah throughout the shoot Summers and McKenna kept fabricating new pages as more actors signed their contracts and joined the cast God damn and then of course you know a lot of people couldn't film together some of the villains weren't even here uh Benedict kumbat shot his scenes in November before decamping to London for principal photography on Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Manis which again was supposed to happen before this movie that's right and so they had so this movie was originally going to feature America Chavez who can punch holes in Dimensions they they they we can't debut her in this because she has you need to have seen a person before exactly somebody needs to appear in a movie before they're in a movie the bravest thing you can do is Debut a new character but again I I think so much of this movie in a second viewing you can really see the seams and where stuff stuff happened you to necessity not because it was planned out and I think it the movie is all the weaker for that yeah I think specifically you're talking about doctor stranger's decision to cast a spell for everybody to forget Peter Parker and then be like what why did you do this well here's the look you're a man what are you doing I haven't I haven't done any research but I've got this whole thing in my head and like look everybody knows the origin of Spider-Man and if this video is somehow your first exposure to Spider-Man obviously it's Peter Parker is an ordinary high school student he's bitten by a radioactive spider which gives him powers that are vaguely related to being a spider and so but instead of using them to uh do good he decides to be selfish and use it to make money and in the process of that he could have stopped a robbery but he doesn't and then the robber then goes to his home and he kills his Uncle Ben and therefore he learns the lesson with great power comes great responsibility now when we see Tom Holland's first appearance in the MCU in Captain America Civil War clearly something like that has happened to him but it's not said in so many words and I think in some people's minds if it wasn't said on screen it didn't happen and so in this movie they're like you know what we should have the lesson he learns in this movie be with great power comes great responsibility except first of all that's already happened to to him right he saved the universe do you remember when he did that but on a smaller scale like remember when he gave up any chances of his relationship with Liz because he thought you know mostly correctly that it was actually you know it was a good thing to do to to stop the vulture remember the time in the last movie when he gave up the the weapons of mass destruction that that dead guy gave him I would have kept that I would have kept it too but in his mind it was too much responsibility H for him so he he gave it away and in this one the lesson he learns isn't with great power comes great responsibility it's don't trust adults because they seem to be on your side but they have their own agendas and they're just using you for their own ends first of all doctor strange doesn't cast the spell because he wants Peter's life to be good he wants to do it to prove to Wong that he's a better Sorcerer And he could become Sorcerer of supreme again right and then it it's ruined and then he's like what did you do Peter Park he didn't do anything when Aunt May dies and she's like with great power must come great responsibility did she think she was talking to to strange I think maybe yeah right it's wild that he pretty much is indirectly or directly responsible for everything that happens in this movie and then in the later part of the movie Peter Parker wants to use his scientific genius and his gifts to save all the other save the villains before they die in an alter Dimension and then he wants to depower them and then send them back at the moment of their death that's right so they're really dead they're really iner but but he want he wants to do the right thing he's doing the right thing but then the Green Goblin betrays him yeah remember that I I remember and I didn't like the way he did that but here's the thing and here's where my completely unresearched Conspiracy Theory comes in I think there was a version of this movie maybe not filmed but maybe some of it was filmed maybe not scripted but maybe some of it was scripted maybe it was part of the the the story plan where this version of Spider-Man in this movie did act irresponsibly and all the the the events of the movie were directly his fault which led to leads to the death of Aunt May and then which explains why Doctor Strange is so mad at him all the time it also makes sense if you framed it as I need to get this box because this box is going to solve all my problems as opposed to save the villains cuz that box can be anything that can be a everybody forgets me box it can be whatever it could be a baguette could be a baguette but what I think it is I think there's maybe there's a version of this and we'll never know for sure but I think there's a version of this movie where he goes to doctor strange and he says do strange can you have do you have anything that can help everybody in the world forget who I am strange says yes it's in this spell book but you can't have it because it's too dangerous we're not going to cast the spell and so Peter Parker's like well I save the universe I'm responsible I know what I'm doing I'm a genius maybe doctor strange doesn't want me to have this because he knows I'll become the sorcerer Supreme how hard could it be and he steals the spell book and then he goes to Ned and MJ and he's like let's cast this spell and Ned's like well M Grandma are always said I was a bit magic and then they cast the spell and then all the walls of the dimensions explode or whatever and and then Doctor Strange is legit mad at him you know what I mean cuz morbius is there you know the scene in the mirror Dimension I don't think I don't think Doctor Strange is chasing him holding the Box initially at all I think it was the spell he steals yeah I think on set also it's just a green box as I'm sure people know that the production of these Marvel movies like in pre-production they figure out all the action sequences first yeah and then they sort of string the storyline within them by the time the director gets there they're done they're pretty much done don't worry about it could you get that gu to a moat I tried but it didn't work oh well here's a million dollars but I think they built the mirror Dimension action sequence for this other thing and then they're just like oh we can't have this version of Spider-Man be an irresponsible kid who learns a lesson even though that's his actual origin story I think they were like he's got to be a Golden Boy all the time and he's he just always does the right thing and we've we've already made this mirror dimension thing so could he have Ste steal a box he steal a box just any box just any Bo or anything or anyone yeah yeah yeah that's my first problem with this movie oh sure that really yeah that really long problem that you have with yeah yeah so I got to say I think it's good having all the three Spiderman together when they're just standing around just shooting the [ __ ] I got to say even though I have some problems with the movie anytime all those guys were on screen I'm like ah my boys are back look at boys it's good to have them back hit me right in the field so that's how they got me you know exactly yeah but there is another problem with those returning characters and I know you have a problem with it where it feels like they're stuck in Amber a little bit of Andrew Garfield being like well after you last saw me when I was fighting the Rhino or whatever however my last movie ended I got angry and I started hitting people for real and I got real angry about it that's right just people at the shops you know whereas Toby Maguire was like I I'm all right I'm doing okay and whatever I'm doing whatever that is it's fine or is it I'm making it work or am I am I I don't know I could do a little bit better or could I I don't know yeah because there's a chance we might re-explore these universes and I don't want to say I've done anything oh we're definitely go to so according to screenwriter Chris McKenna Toby Maguire wanted to be very minimal about how much you know so that was apparently an input that he had in this universe so there you go but you know like you said just them talking about like the weird villains they fought it's fun doing science together love that you know when they come through the portals and there's moments where people pause so the audience can cheer yes I did it's fun Mason it is Andrew Garfield is just doing [ __ ] laps around everybody just charism the [ __ ] out of every scene that he's in yeah it really highlights how good he is in very average movies you know absolutely wait what do you mean this movie was great all the guys were there we cheered I'm talking about his Spider-Man movies oh they were average weren't they yeah yeah uh so JK Simmons of course returns as Alex Jones and uh that's a bit of fun I like how you see his like set developers he's obviously getting more money as it goes along you know it's a little kind of Rinky Dink blue screen situation like we did yeah exactly except we' pretty much kept the same we're even more Rinky Dink if anything yeah and uh Daredevil's in this of course there's the funny story about Charlie Cox hearing about how much people were excited hearing like Daredevil would hearing like Daredevil would and can like people were cheering to see him in cinemas so he he snuck into a theater showing to complete silence that's great keeps him humble yeah absolutely yeah so the villains in this day like I said it kind of feels like they were filmed in a Cupboard two of them weren't even there any did you see of Sandman and Kurt Connors in human form is from their movies yes absolutely so they just did voice rolls that's also why the lizard is just in a van for an extended period of time in this movie yeah sure sure and Sandman is just a sandy guy sitting on a couch yeah just things like that but of the villains that are actually in this movie I think they're quite good they are pretty good but I'm the thing about them though is on the one hand Tom Hollands Spider-Man is now going to face versions of those villains in his universe that he already knows their secrets and how to defeat them no no no Mason he's going to fight Craven and Ezekiel Sims and Venom or Carnage yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah and morbius maybe morbius sure you're getting your dog [ __ ] Sinister Six movie whether you like it or not but on the other hand I'm like okay well I guess what this does is it enables this version of Spider-Man to fight villains outside the norm like May norm and Osborne wow wow thank you so maybe you know we'll be able to dive further into that because the the Spider-Man Rogues Gallery is huge yeah so maybe maybe we don't have to have an MCU version of the Green Goblin they could do a Hob Goblin a Hob Goblin or a different colored Goblin that's right you know I mean Ned leads is sometimes a goblin isn't he sometimes is a goblin I don't know if they're going to go in that direction at any point but look here's some stuff in this that I think is great right I'm prepared to counter them all I think his fight with William defo is amazing cuz you see him just go I've never fought a complete [ __ ] lunatic exactly it's got a touch of the Sam Ries about it it's really brutal and I I think it is kind of a downer that again a guy from Another Universe killed his AR M well it was Dr Str really it was Dr take it right back the guy from that Universe you're absolutely right yeah I think also having Peter Parker like go through the ring up in this like emotionally and physically is good like he's all [ __ ] up even though he went to space like this is worse than anything that's happened to him prior and you know whoes doesn't love a bit of Spider-Man Misery we haven't seen enough of it have we that is so true also I think some of the callbacks are quite heartfelt right the moment where MJ is caught by Andrew Garfield Spider-Man it's a little wonky on the on the landing but I think that's a nice moment only if you've seen that movie obviously do you think it's do you think it's counterbalanced by the fact that some of the villains just say their catchphrases that's what I was going to say how did you remember that how did you remember I'm something of a scientist myself how did you remember the power of the Sun in the palm of my hand how do you remember I'm the lizard and I live in a van they're all here aren't they they sure are y my back yeah that's stuff I don't love and there is also you notice the pause after some of those it's like I'm something of a scientist hooray so at the end right they they I mean they all fight on the Statue of Liberty that's great but wow right that was part of of your review at the time wasn't it this was great I guess you stood up in the theater oh I guess they're going to fight on the Statue of Liberty I guess that's great so they the spell or whatever you see a bunch of villains trying to come through the portal you see like I think you see like Craven and maybe Scorpion or even though he's sort of in this universe already sure but at least he is coming back he's coming back maybe so people don't remember who Spider-Man is Right which happens all the time in the comics every now and then somebody or everybody finds out then they reverse it sometimes the devil does it it's not important but I'm just curious about how the erasing works here so does that mean that people remember that there was a Spider-Man but not Peter Parker so if you've met Spider-Man and he takes his mask off and goes hello I'm Peter Parker do you just remember being with Spider-Man is that how that works I think so it must be right but also like him renting an apartment and presumably going to college cuz he normally does that cuz he's something of a scientist himself yay yes Ben lawence leave a big gap there for a huge Applause obviously that means there must be like paperwork and records of this person existing right even though his friends don't remember him let me let me let me tell you this I don't think they know yet I think the people making this know because when he arrives at his apartment he's got some books in a box and one of them is like the GED like his high school equivalency test so I'm thinking maybe he gone that way I think he maybe had to pass high school again right oh my God Spider-Man goes back to high school for three more movies yeah you better believe it got a whole bunch more friends better friends actually I guess he would and a different MJ like this was the real one all along some people I feel would be happy with that they would be yeah but get over it they they don't know yet and also considering in this movie they got rid of the uh you killed Mysterio plot in 8 minutes I think they're going to do the same thing in the next one I think they I think they're going to they're going to wrap this up in like almost immediately he's going to he's going to show up and there's going to be a big thing and a beam of light and MJ's going to remember him again wow yeah or they're going to drag it out for another Trilogy I don't know I don't know it's not fine no it's fine Mas sort it out immediately I don't have enough time left in my life for another Trilogy Where finally we get to his origin and he MJ's his girlfriend again well you know we get the new suit at the end and this is the thing that some people want to see with Spider-Man he's alone he's in like the traditional comic book suit they're going to change we know that we know that already they've already announced they're going to give him a new suit in the next one great good really good um also congratulations to this movie for having uh another Spider-Man movie with a funeral at the end great it's been a while just good to be back you know I I don't think Mysterio dying counts because I didn't see any funeral for that guy you know they just kicked him off the top of that building yeah cool cool cool also there's a post credit scene where Venom's there and then there's a bit of the Symbiote left and what does that mean maybe nothing who knows we'll find out down the line we might do anyway it's time for trivia man no way trivia the previous section of the show Bas I love that so this blew my mind cuz I've got excellent wig as you know mhm that's true Benedict Wong wears a wig in this but it's the wig where like the skins on it like the Skins all the way down his forehead cuz he's got like a shorter haircut and he didn't have that at the time cuz also multiple re-shoot and all of that I know about other wigs in this movie like Ned Leeds wears a wig Doctor Strange's wig continues to just I find it really offensive because it's like you're not even trying it's like a wig that [ __ ] Bram Stoker's Dracula would wear absolutely it's ridiculous I should had a beehive it basically is should have had a bump it under there that' be great they should have made him British they should have just made him British in this one instead of vaguely American y I agree where's he from at the end he should have been like well we closed the dimensions and everything's normal again but I'm British so the first trailer for this became the most watched movie trailer with over 355 million Global views in the first 24 hours that's because every YouTuber had to analyze it yeah man you know we did so oh there's a gap there Gap the lizard is and the lizard was there turns out in a lot of those gaps yeah absolutely cuz otherwise Andrew Garfield would have just been punching the air but what if he was what if we got to the final version of the mov and he's just like get get it get some of this Peter what are you are you okay I don't know I've been hitting the head a lot so some of the concepts that were uh that went unused was the Green Goblin had like a partial Lon Man suit oh yeah of course sort of that him zipping about there was also some concept art of places that they would visit in the Doctor Strange Spider-Man fight from different Spider-Man Dimensions so they visit the train from Spider-Man 2 oh my God the famous train laboratory exactly the secret train laboratory the pipes bit from Spider-Man 3 where they killed Venom with pipes well they just left the pipes there for like 20 years yeah they left the pipes man uh they do the kiss Doctor Strange Doctor Strange is Spider-Man do they upside down kiss pretty much yes they also were going to visit Time Square from The Amazing Spider-Man 2 and Doctor Strange was going to be confused for like a street performer or whatever so I think these were some ideas where they went if we can't give them the Spiderman we'll just put them in seeds minutes after they left or whatever people would have hated that I agree and if I were Toby McGuire Andrew Garfield's agent I would have said that I would have been like you can try that but people will hate it they will come to Marvel Studio's headquarters and burn it down add another zero we want $100 0000000000 we will settle for nothing less so talking big numbers Mason big numb numbers the budget of this was $200 million and the Box Office return was 1.9 billion this was the first film since the rise of Skywalker to make a billion dollars and that's without China's involvement or Russia's election interference or me being a hater it's true but look I think this has going to sound really dismissive it's good enough yeah great for what they were doing it's good enough right I think that's unable argument honestly I don't think anybody can complain in the comment they will cuz people be like no you just wanted to hate it but you didn't have the heart to hate it I hate [ __ ] morbius right this is better than that okay it is better than that so there are things that are like really bad and on the nose and then there's things that are on the nose but they work out kind of okay you know and then his bits are amazing remember when Charlie Cox caught that brick he caught the brick yeah although it was going to hit Spider-Man so I mean what he could have just let it hit him and pet could have been like ow but I'm Spider-Man I can lift a tank over my head with one hand so brick isn't going to do anything and you just you basically just reveal that you're also a superhero of some kind obviously daril you Daredevil you are Daredevil you idiot you stupid idiot now there's uh there's rumors abound that what Marvel want to do for Spider-Man 4 cuz they're doing a new Trilogy is bring it back to the street level basically do more of a lowkey Spider-Man situation grounded whereas apparently Sony want to bring back all the Spider-Man again absolutely because that's the thing that worked this time that's true but look I think that will happen regardless in one of the next Avengers Multiverse movies or whatever but you don't you don't need to do that people won't like it this time okay I I just need Sony to understand that right you got to build up to it again you can't just be like and now the other Spider-Man are back for whatever reason please please don't it'll definitely make less money but you you slowly build again you know what if Tom Holland Toby Maguire and uh Andrew Garfield they all go into the the the quantum realm you know and it's huge yeah it's pretty big down there isn't it yeah what about that that would work wouldn't it I would love that like fight Bill Mario or whatever F down there big is always better is what I'm saying B is always better but sometimes it's smaller that's right anyways this has been Caravan garbage we do this every week here's a hint towards next week though now if you'd like to say that early which who wouldn't you can actually head over to Big s yeah head over to Big sandwich. it's good enough I agree the video is going to be good enough well the video will be there right yeah that's right early but there's 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Published: Thu Feb 15 2024