Soldiers Who Enjoyed Killing Share What It's Like (AskReddit)

soldiers on a date have you worked with anyone who clearly enjoyed killing what is your story I worked an office job that I had a bunch of people who had done the hard charging combat arms stuff there were guys that felt horrible guilt and there were guys that acted like they liked killing but if you talked to them they didn't really like the killing they liked the fight and they liked the camaraderie in the fact that every second was meaningful but they just acted like they enjoyed the killing as a coping mechanism most people though just didn't really feel much either way just it was the mommy and I'm gonna make it home damn it I had a close friend who was infantry and confessed to me when he came from Iraq that he enjoyed killing the enemy he said it was a Russian just knowing that the person he just killed would never kill one of his friends made him feel amazing he also said when he was engaged in a fight it was the only time he wasn't afraid on account of the adrenaline he said every other second he was in country he was afraid and just couldn't shut the fear off now as a civilian back in the States he has struggled he feels very guilty not about the killing but about how much he misses it and how much he wants to go fight again he's on a lot of meds for anxiety and depression and I know is self-medicating too he's talked to me about not being able to ever shut the fear off cause it's so quiet here and how frustrated he is all the time I really worry about him actually he's not the same guy he was before he has a hair-trigger temper now and goes into funks a lot I just sit with him and let him talk cause he says it helps and I've been trying to really push into some vet support groups he said the vast services are [ __ ] all they want to do is up his meds I've never been in combat so I feel like maybe talking to people who actually understand me help TLDR my friend says he enjoyed it but it has all left him clearly damaged short answer yes there are certainly people that enjoy killing but most other people just see it as something that needed to be done I currently serve in a non-combat role which means I don't really see much action this one guy I went to high school with would not about how much he would enjoy killing people and how fun it will be once he joins the military he is currently serving a light Infantry Regiment and cannot wait for a combat deployment of some sort it's difficult to explain the mentality if you've never been there but I'll do my best my drill sergeant described the Army's essential mission thusly we kill people and blow [ __ ] up and that is pretty much the truth you are programmed to seek out the enemy and [ __ ] ruin his day this leads to a culture a mentality where killing other people is celebrated and joked about from the outside I imagine it appears we are bloodthirsty Psychopaths however nobody I served with was actually happy about killing outside the heat of the moment I saw a guy empty a mag into an already dead guy after an hours-long firefight and I don't blame him [ __ ] I wanted to just beat someone to a bloody pulp too but that was in the moment outside of that the only soldiers I've ever heard talking fondly about killing our pogs or buck Pvt s who have no idea what they are talking about kind of a difficult question to answer I was Field Artillery in a fairly quiet area of Afghanistan in 12 quite and that nobody really potshots at us but there were plenty of bombs in the roads I think what you're asking about is more in line of the slathering monster who can't wait to affix bayonets and rip someone apart as close as possible I never met anyone like that but after seeing the carnage the locals dealt with from these [ __ ] planting explosives in the roads and losing some friends to sing you bet your ass there was some cheering if the shadow captured footage of some dudes burying [ __ ] in a road at 2:00 a.m. catching an Excalibur I was Marine infantry and fought in Afghanistan in 2009 to 2010 I would say without a fraction of a doubt that everyone I served with liked fighting The Killing aspect I can't say none of us ever had trouble sleeping about it I would say I feel kind of neutral about it I will say most of us had the blackest humor imaginable about the whole situation but I feel you kind of have to but the actual fighting portion was the most fun I'd ever had in mind our life I watch documentaries like Restrepo or movies like lone survivor or just you out of videos or my own videos and pictures nothing more but just pics of being in country and I miss it there's videos of us in a fight laughing our asses off because it was just fun I can't describe why unfortunately the fun stops when someone dies or gets seriously injured I never lost anyone in my squad but knowing a 19 year old I went to boot camp and so I've just stepped on an ie D and his gun really shakes you the fun factor is still there but you remember this is a [ __ ] war and it's scary it comes to a point where killing isn't done for anger or for country but for the pragmatic reasons of staying alive and keeping other people alive to that end I hate saying it's enjoyable but there is a sense of satisfaction I killed him and now he can't kill me or my friends when I was a young man in 1985 I fought against the communists in Afghanistan part of the Islamic Revolution movement in the squad was a man from Nuristan province named Eilat fake named David was the most zealous man I've ever met and not good zealous he believed it was his righteous duty to kill every socialist in the country and he enjoyed it I was scared to fight and I didn't believe I killed anyone and if I did it was maybe one enemy toefl daya had killed a few and was more happy than I've ever seen a man be on a battlefield some brothers were happy fighting or at least were fine with the fact that he was in love with it David died two Russian planes though his quest to kill every communist did not work out too well edited I have a mer active now if you want to ask anything to me my stepdad was probably the only guy who likes being in Vietnam he's told me some pretty [ __ ] up [ __ ] and I'm 100% sure he enjoyed what he did he's not a huge guy but I've seen a couple drunk guys try to fight him at a bar one time bad idea he doesn't fight he's a killer punched both guys right in the throat and a group had to stop him from stomping them to death the fucked-up part he's a super nice guy he's shown me pictures of him sawing off people's heads he burned villages he shot people has stabbed people to death he's killed people in unorthodox methods from what the military should do as far as my personal opinion on him and the fact that I grew up with a trained killer as a role model it's just strange I could never imagine me doing the things he's done I look at criminals who murder with disgust but when I hear him talking about it I don't think like that I listen intently as if I'm learning something important like someday it may save my life in a fight or flight situation just listening to this guy talk about killing people war is [ __ ] been in for four years now army and yes you meet a few people like that I recently posted a story about a tank commander my old platoon sergeant had long story short that he C used the severed arm of a suicide bomber to slap his driver silly I'm sure he falls in the category that you're asking I've had more experienced soldiers dropped admits of wisdom like use infrared when you're shooting they look less like people and it's a lot easier to live with afterwards in regards to gunning on a Bradley I've heard pride in voices when they talk about taking a city or town I know one guy who took part in revenge killings after getting blown up again on his return from the hospital after hitting an eye Edie earlier he wasn't thrilled about it he didn't revel in it he just stated it as a hard fact but as the other posts have stood usually the guys who sell they want to do issued people in the face they haven't done it part of it is getting in the min set so that when the time comes you're already mentally there part of it as innocence and bravado and not wanting to seem like a [ __ ] to your buddies and I think some people do genuinely enjoy it though they are not as common as you think generally if the dude at the bar is happily talking about all the people he killed he's a dirty liar for RS credit thread without a serious tack the responses have been pretty respectful for me I think the only guy I saw who just loved killing was K Michael I don't remember his full name that guy was very discreet but he had no code of ethics he would kill anyone anywhere children animals old people didn't matter the last time I saw him he down at his whiskey stood up from the bar and said while patting my shoulder here I go killing again I'll be honest here I was a marine grunt and my experience was that it's different for everyone some guys hated killing and it bothered them other guys would pick up body parts and play with them I had a squad mate wave hello with the blown off hand of an enemy combatant because he saw it on a movie or something and thought it would be funny at the time it was pretty funny in country it's not hard to kill that's your job and they are trying to kill you or your friends so it comes easy it's when you get home and you have all this time to start thinking about it that really [ __ ] me up should we have even been there was that guy really a bad person wouldn't I have done the same thing if someone invaded my country I can't justify my actions in my head anymore and I don't feel like I fit in with normal people anymore if I told someone that I laughed at a dead person's hand being waved at me they would probably think I'm a sick piece of [ __ ] Am I sometimes I really think I'm a piece of [ __ ] and I don't deserve to live I try to make friends and stuff now but I just don't feel right around other people I've done this horrible thing that they will never get the smell the way the corpse feels bright red blood bubbling up from huge holes in people I felt brain for [ __ ] sake the intense fear all of that is at the front of my mind every day of my life it's been a decade now and I think about it every day I really just don't know what to think sometimes I want to eat a bullet other times I want to fit in some days I wish I was back in combat I was in a class about addiction counseling in college I like there was only one man in the class and he was much older than the rest of the students and the professor he had served during Vietnam I know for sure and he might have been another Wars too I know he was involved in the military by choice he had a job working with veterans and I guess was taking the class to get some extra insight one particular class period we were discussing PTSD among soldiers his mentality was that when there was a draft there were just guys who couldn't handle combat and people who joined the military by choice could always pick out the guys who were forced in by the draft he didn't think PTSD was real he just thought certain guys were tougher and more fit than others he said there were plenty of sane people who enjoyed combat his example in deffence was a guy who liked to go through villages and rape women and kill villagers and children for no reason apparently otherwise he was a completely normal guy who the guy in my class felt safe around his justification for why this was normal the guy only targeted Asians so white people didn't have to feel scared around him he considered this guy sane and the people came back with PTSD as crazies who were like that to begin with because they were too wimpy for combat I'm sure ideas within the military have shifted since that guy was active but story always sticks out in my mind just gonna throw this out there but you do know only about 8% of enlisted personnel will ever be given an assignment that is expected to see combat right and then on top of that a lot of that is shooting at each other from across the valley or from 200 meters away very little of that is breach and clear CQC or the type of situation where you will consciously be killing slash able to tell the difference between combatants and non-combatants and even they're taking the time to check whether or not they are competence is a good way to lose a quick draw my brother trained with a do to hope upon deployments to be able to abduct an Iraqi girl he used a much cruder term and keep her tied up under his bed to be his mate when he wanted he also apparently believed he had the soul the direwolf and plotted in his diary how to get some little bits of dead insurgents to eat never found out what happened with him that I hope he got some serious help former infantry squad leader with tours in both Iraq and Afghanistan here nobody except for sociopaths enjoys the taking of another human life the unfortunate truth though is that you are trained from the get to desensitize yourself to the idea of killing and dehumanize your enemy ever wondered why every American generation of wartime soldiers has a generic if not completely non whom a nickname for the enemy most recently terrorists or hatch G but VC slash book for Vietnam Gerry in World War two and I'll skip to the very beginning for brevity's sake to Lobster back in the Revolutionary War this process of conditioning continues through and beyond the actual act of pulling that trigger in how this process is unfortunately utterly necessary without it many more soldiers could not conscionable accomplish their mission when that mission involves killing the enemy obligatory not a soldier here but I had a friend when I was teenagers whose father was he was door gunner on the Black Hawk helicopters in his spare time he built weapons for accuracy international he did five tours over the course of the earlier years of the war and I know he loved to kill he rarely spoke about it he would quickly tell you his job and what he did how many tours he went on and nearly everything else except when asking about him killing anyone he would always just stare at you on very rare occasions usually when drunk he would admit to it but never go into detail we were fairly young teenagers in the beginning but nearing his fourth tour his son and myself were approaching 16 and 17 years old respectively we both were considering joining the military for different reasons this is around the time he started becoming more vocal I can't recall specific conversations but the underlining enjoyment and pride he felt was very obvious when he was talking about his crew and mowing down buildings infested with baddies his son in myself walked into his shop one day and caught him watching videos of combat they were based out of a helicopter he quickly shut it down and didn't say much I've always been good at hacking [ __ ] so at the first opportunity his son in myself hacked his computer in his workshop his shop was behind their home in it was a folder that contained hundreds of videos of him and various other helmet cam videos of his crew and they were all videos of kills hundreds upon hundreds of them I don't know the legality of him owning these videos that he had them and he clearly kept them as mementos very shortly before his last tour fifteen thousand dollars in cash was stolen from their home it was their daughter's college fund his father was understandably livid and suspected everyone the look that he gave me the day he told me if you ever step on my property again I will split you from groin to head and no one will ever fins your body made me absolutely believe him I also remember a later statement saying that I can't wait to get back to relieve some stress he clearly meant his next tour which was fast approaching and his urge to kill someone edit kind of an afterthought I always got the impression that he treated it as the ultimate game of adrenaline and thrill that he loved the danger of it he used to be an avid hunter and he always encouraged his son and me to hunt frequently but he quickly lost interest in it after his first two tours I remember I asked one day why he didn't hunt with us anymore and his response was after hunting something that can shoot back it kind of loses its appeal [Music] [Music] [Music]

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