Sadhguru: Namaskaram! And… (Laughs) this Youth and Truth how it came
about is, in the last three decades that I’ve been active with people, this has been a constant
refrain that many, many people, thousands of them have said the same thing… (Talks Aside) …they’ve been asking the
same question. They keep telling me, “Sadhguru, twenty-five
years ago, where were you? When I was twenty why didn’t you come? You come when I am sixty, if you had come
when I was twenty, I would have changed my life but now you’ve come too late.” So I decided we’ll step out and meet all
those people who are below twenty-five years of age (Applause) and that’s why we are
here. Because what… what we are referring to as
life… (Talks Aside) …what we are referring to
as life is essentially a certain combination of time and energy. We can make many things out of it, but essentially
this life is a certain amount of time and certain amount of energy. Time is rolling away for all of us at the
same time. It’s rolling away at the same pace. If you sit it goes, if you stand it goes,
if you work it goes, if you just sleep it goes, awake or asleep time is rolling away. It’s the energy that we can manage. When you're youthful or when you're in that
segment of life which is referred to as youth, this is the time when your energies are at
their peak and they are at their highest. Most youth do not understand this that this
level of energy, the intensity of energy is with you only in this stage of life, it’s
not going to last for a long time. Most youth will not understand this right
now. But you must look at the older people and
see, they were also youth and it’s happened to them and it’s going to happen to you. So when your energies are at its peak, if
only if you can bring a little more clarity and balance into your life, this energy could
become a phenomenal force both for yourself and for the society and the country and the
world that we live in. So it’s in this context that this Youth
and Truth has been launched. We hope that we will be able to bring some
sense of clarity and balance into your life. After this is over - this is going on for
about three to four months - after this is over, we will also offer tools for transformation
which will be available for all of you free of cost, it doesn’t cost anything - certain
people are sponsoring these things. So it is going to go out on the platforms
that we have, the online platforms - simple things that you can do with your body and
your mind so that your body and your mind never works against you. When I say your body and your mind never works
against you, people are calling it by many names – people call it stress, anxiety,
misery, madness, whatever you want to call it. All these things are essentially this, that
your intelligence has somehow turned against you, that’s all there is. Yes? If your intelligence turns against you, there
is no force in the universe which can save you. So it’s very, very important at this stage
in your life you make your body and your mind in such a way, your intelligence and your
energy never works against you. There are enough people in the world to work
against you. Leave it to them, you don’t have to work
against yourself. Once… See right now the situation is this, most
people don’t need any enemies, they are doing fine by themselves (Laughter). I don’t want you to be one of them. Please. I am in the ____ (Sounds Like – dock/dark?)
today, so (Laughs). Time 04:31 Questioner 1: Sadhguru, it’s nice to have
you here. I hope we have an interesting and insightful
discussion with you. And thanks for the audience for coming in
such large numbers (Applause). So as moderators we’ve prepared about twelve
questions of which one is a social media question. A significant portion of these questions are
contemporary issues debated across the nation and especially in… at Nalsar, so we’ve
made sure that we ask them. The… the breakup would be, about one hour
would be the moderator discussion and forty minutes of… forty minutes we’ll leave
it to the audience to ask questions. One thing to point out here is that when we…
all three of the moderators personally met Sadhguru about half-an-hour ago, he told us
to be completely fearless in the kind of questions we can ask him with absolutely no restrictions. So thanks for that, sir, and we’ll make
sure we do that (Applause). Sadhguru: Because a question can never be
wrong, only an answer can be wrong (Laughter). So only I have a problem, you don’t have,
so (Laughter)… Questioner 1: So, some of these questions
are contextual so we’ll make sure that we explain the context so even the audience understands
where this discussion is going and then we’ll proceed with the question. Fine, so I think we’ll start with the first
question. Questioner 2: So Sadhguru, shall we begin? Sadhguru: Yes, sir (Cheering)! Questioner 2: So, I thought a good way to
begin the conversation would be to pick up a question on first impressions… Sadhguru: How did you foresee I will come
in red today (Few laugh)? Questioner 2: Just a coincidence (Sadhguru
Laughs), I didn’t foresee it. So, I thought a good way to begin the conversation
would be to pick up a question on first impressions. So I mean both you and I would have heard
the popular phrases, “little knowledge is dangerous knowledge” and “don’t judge
the book by its cover”. So how do you weigh these expressions when
we think of the concept of first impressions? As… as I understand it, first impressions
are mental images that we create when see someone or hear someone and the first interaction
that we have with that person. So… and it’s also possible that our first
impressions are wrong. So, are first impressions something which
confuse your mind or is it something which gives you initial clarity? So… and why is it that… I mean how do we control our mind from racing
to these conclusions? Sadhguru: Hey, that’s a long question (Laughter). (Laughs) Okay. You have heard of the term “love at first
sight”? Questioner 2: Of course. Participants: Whoa! Sadhguru: So these things us… this is a
English expression, these things used to happen when the genders had not met, they were secluded
largely. So the first time a young girl with her parents
in a carriage, she was going and you looked at her, she looked at you like this (Gestures)
(Laughter/Applause), it’s been a long time since you saw a girl’s face, instantly (Gestures)
(Laughter/Applause), okay? But that doesn’t happen anymore because
they are always around you. You take your time, which is a good thing
(Laughs). So, I don’t think you should make any impression
of anything or anybody just by simply looking at it once - unless you have become such a
mystic that if you see you just know, (Laughs) okay? Why I am saying this is, see, I spent a whole
lot of my time and life just paying attention to things. Because when I was very young I realized,
when I was just four, four-and-a-half years of age I realized I don’t know anything! Because I don’t know anything, I started
paying attention to everything, smallest things. If I find a pebble, I will be looking at it
for hours. If I find a leaf, I will be looking at it
for many hours. If I sit on my bed in the darkness, I am just
staring at the darkness for the whole night. My dear father being a physician, he started
thinking I need psychiatric evaluation (Laughs) because this boy is simply staring at something
for hours on end without blinking. It looks like he’s lost his mind! My problem is, I look at this and I don’t
know what this is, so I am not able to shift my eyes to that. So I just stay with this. This went on like this and in this condition
they sent me to school. My mother said you must pay attention to the
teacher (Laughter). I went and paid attention to the teacher (Laughter),
the kind of attention that they would have never received in their life (Laughter). About nine years ago, this school where I
studied almost forty, forty-five years ago… forty-five years ago, they invited me for
their one-hundred-and-twenty-fifth anniversary. The trustees came to invite me. I said, “See, why me?” Because I was not just a not good student,
I was not even a student (Few laugh). I only went to school when it was a must. Most of the time nobody noticed me and I just
vanished somewhere. So I said “Why me? I am not a good example for your students.” They said, “Our school has produced union
ministers, our school has produced cricketing stars, film stars, you are the only mystic,
you must come (Laughter)!” I said “Okay” and I went there. I stood up to speak in the quadrangle I just
looked around, the same oppressive buildings, you have a fantastic, you know, a campus (Applause). It’s a fortune because it’s not just about
education, it’s about… living in a certain atmosphere is a very important thing for learning. So, these are city schools which are like
that. Then I looked at this classroom and I suddenly
remembered, I was just twelve years of age, one afternoon the teacher is trying to get
some response from me. Those days I am made like this, for many days
I won’t utter a single word. When you don’t know anything, what to say? I am still trying to drink up the world, nothing
to say. Time 11:17 So, this man is asking question. I am just looking at him. After sometime I don’t even hear what he
is saying. If I look at him, I know his past, present
and future. I can tell him everything about his life but
I don’t know what the hell he is talking. Because I never listen to anybody, I just
look at them. So, if you are able to look at people like
that, then it’s okay. Otherwise definitely looking at the appearance
of a person if you're making judgment, or appearance of a situation if you are making
a judgment… especially you are going to be lawyers, by
looking at what people are saying, if you make a judgment, they will be telling all
kinds of stories to you (Laughs). So you never make any impression. You need to delve into certain things. So whether it’s individual people or situations,
aspects of life or decisions we need to make, it’s best that we get the maximum input
out of whatever we are looking at because otherwise we will go on regretting what we
have done. People who spend time in regret, they won’t
do much in life because it consumes so much energy. Time 12:32 Questioner 2: A related question - there are…
sometimes we have these certain instincts in us that direct us to do certain things
popularly known as gut feelings. Sadhguru: Gut. Questioner 2: So do you think… do you think
the youth must act on these gut feelings or should we reject it, what is your take on
gut feelings and instincts? Sadhguru: There is something called as gut
feeling and there is also something called as being shit scared, you know (Laughter)? So when people don’t know which way to go,
some things move in their gut (Laughter). Don’t understand always that as some kind
of an intuition or some kind of an insight into life. Most people feel their guts only when… you
say “he has guts” means what? Guts didn’t move (Laughter). So, fear is considered gut feeling by a whole
lot of people, don’t go by that. But there is a certain… in the yogic culture
- today modern science is also recognizing this, in the yogic culture we identify a certain
dimension of intelligence in the stomach. A certain dimension of intelligence means,
if we have to… this is what I am going to say is very simplistic, if you find loopholes
you ask question otherwise I will pass, okay (Laughs)? If you ask questions I will cover those loopholes
but because I am saying it in such a brief manner, there will be loopholes. See, you eat piece of bread, within a few
hours it gets transformed into a human being, isn't it so? Is it a tremendous amount of intelligence? Hello? If I can take a piece of bread in my hand
and make this into a human being, who would you think I am? Hello? Participants: Creator. Sadhguru: Creator himself, isn't it? Must be god. If I can take a piece of bread and make it
into a human being, this is it! This, you're doing in your stomach. Obviously there is a certain dimension of
intelligence. It is not in the form of thought but it’s
a different dim… it’s not intellect, but it’s an intelligence. Is there a way to access that intelligence? Yes. Even if a drop of that intelligence enters
your life, you will do things magically, not miserably. If you do things only with your logic, everything
becomes quite miserable because you’ll have to go through logical steps for everything. You will not know anything just by looking
at it. So it is important to develop that dimension
of intelligence but as I said, whenever there is confusion and fear, people will feel a
pit in the stomach - that should not be understood as the gut… intelligence of the gut. Time 15:26 Questioner 2: So Sadhguru, the next two, three
questions… the next two, three questions revolve around this con… Sadhguru: See as a lawyer you shouldn’t
warn me what is the next question, you must shoot. Questioner 2: So the broad theme of the next
two, three questions revolves around the concept of pate… of nationalism, of allegiance to
the country. So my question basically concerns your response
to Gautam Gambhir’s question, wherein Gautam Gambhir was of the opinion that people should
be compelled to stand up for the national anthem and he was surprised as to how this
was even a topic of debate. As I understand you agreed with him, with
the only qualify being that if somebody is disabled, he should not be forced. And… Sadhguru: I am… I am not looking at it… please complete
the question. I am not looking at it so simplistic but… Questioner 2: So Sadhguru, my question is
that should we not allow people to find out what their own interpretations of loyalty
and allegiance are. I mean we walk unaffected when women are raped
(Applause)… we walk unaffected when women are raped, we stop dalits from entering public
facilities. There are so many injustices that we do… Sadhguru: So we can do one more? Questioner 2: No, I mean just because we go
to the cinema and before Gangs of Wasseypur we stand up for the national anthem, how does
that become the criteria for having allegiance to the nation or being a patriot to the nation
(Applause)? Time 16:55 Sadhguru: Looks like it’s a very popular
question (Laughs). See, let’s look at it this way - a nation,
when we say a nation, all nations on the planet are not in the same state of development,
evolution and social and other realities are not in the same state. Looking at India as a nation, we are trying
to make this a nation, still there is no real nation because still a whole lot of people
are identified with their caste, creed, you know many, many things - with their community
- many, many things because we are yet to make a nation out of it. We’ve not… We should have done it early on after 1947
but we did not do that work properly. As you said, discrimination is there, based
on your caste. That means we’ve not made a nation yet. You are separate nation, I am separate nation,
isn't it? Just because of your birth. So if you want to make this a nation, there
are certain tools, certain symbols, certain acts and anthem is one of them that we are
trying to make a nation out of this. And we are a nation where five-hundred million
people have not eaten properly. Largest number of malnourished people on the
planet, unfortunately in our country. Nearly sixty percent of rural population in
India, their skeletal system has not grown to full size. They are all like this (Gestures) compressed. Dissipated life, underdeveloped life we are
generating. But we have debates about whether we should
stand up or sit down when the anthem happens, all right? Simply because we’ve lost our humanity. I’ll come to this. Time 19:00 And we have issues with our sovereignty. Somebody is always trying to gobble part of
what you call as India. That itself is not settled. We don’t know where our borders are. Yes (Applause)? And you and me are sitting here today comfortably,
talking about many things simply because there are men who are standing there, who are willing
to die for this nation (Applause). (Laughs) You don’t like it, it’s fine. There are men and women who are willing to
die for this nation, every day they are dying. You may be seeing it as statistic, but unfortunately
they have wives, they have children, they have families. A man who stands there willing to stake his
life, willing to make his wife into a widow, willing to make his children into orphans,
at least please tell him “We don’t care a damn for this nation. You also come back, what are you guarding
against?” Why should a man stand there guarding this
nation when we are not willing to stand up for a simple symbol of the nationhood, it
is fifty-two seconds, it’s a shame (Applause). Now, the kind of… the kind of arguments
people are creating is “What if somebody is handicapped?” Arey! Don’t we have that much sense if somebody
is handicapped we will not ask him to stand up? What nonsense is this, he can sit like this
(Gestures). He can sit like this showing some expression
for the nation. Nation has to evolve. If this nation in the next twenty-five years
comes to a place where all citizens in this country are well nourished, we can bring down
our nationalism and patriotism by twenty-five percent. If in another fifteen, twenty years or twenty-five
years, if everybody is well-employed, well-to-do, nation is bursting with prosperity, then you
can bring it down to fifty percent. Someday if you come to such a egalitarian
situation where there is no caste, no creed, no discrimination, gender, caste, creed doesn’t
matter, we are all just boom, if you come to that stage, we can talk about dissolving
the nation and making nation into a global possibility. But without understanding the realities when
your sovereignty is not fixed, when you don’t know where the hell your border is of this
nation and half the people have not eaten properly, you are talking about in one hand
pop-corn, one hand coco-cola and you can't stand up. No, this is not okay. This is not okay. This is not a question of nationalism, this
is a question of your humanity (Applause). Time 21:57 Questioner 2: So Sadhguru, if I could just
follow up on that… on that answer you made, so as I understand you said that there are
individuals like soldiers who show their allegiance to the nation by fighting for the borders…
fighting in the borders. We are not loyal because we don’t stand
up… Sadhguru: Nobody talked about loyalty, please. No, no, no, we need to understand this. There is… Nation is not a God-given entity. It is an agreement among us, what a nation
is. Yes? Nation is not some God-given thing. It’s we who made the nation. There is an agreement what we will respect,
what we will not respect, what we value and what we do not value in this country. So this is an agreement that we have made. So this is not a question of your loyalty. Maybe you are doing some great work but you
don’t want to stand up but I am telling you this is not about you who is well-to-to,
this is about those people who are still not fed properly, this is about those people who
are dying on the borders, this is about those people who are being rubbed down to the ground
on a daily basis. Questioner 2: So Sadhguru, I completely understand… Sadhguru: How will sitting help? Please tell me first. No, no, no, how does sitting help? If one person stands up and speaks, it’ll
be nice. If you can stand up for this at least? Questioner 2: So could I complete the logical
flow on the question I ask him, and then we’ll put it to somebody there? Is that fine? Or like do you want to ask right now itself? Sadhguru: Please take the microphone and speak,
it’s fine. Questioner 2: Fine, so… I mean the reasoning which I understood is
there are individuals who are sacrificing for the nation… Sadhguru: No, no, there is a condition... Questioner 2: There are individuals who subscribe
to the idea of a nation and the implication is that individuals who do not stand up for
the national anthem, do not subscribe to the idea of the nation… Sadhguru: No, not true. I am not saying that. This is a very simplistic logic. I am not saying that. I am saying nation is at a certain status
of evolution, do you understand? In this nation, we need an emotion to move
this nation to a better status. For this emotion everybody needs to participate. It’s like saying, tomorrow you want to build
a family, you go and tell your wife, “See, I am very agnostic. I will give you what you want but I will not
invest my emotion into this family.” You think you will have a family? You think you will have one (Applause)? So, standing up for the na… national anthem
and a few other symbols of that is just that you are creating an emotion because nation
is only in the minds and hearts of people. It doesn’t exist anywhere else. There is no nation in the world. Nation exists only in our minds and our hearts. If it doesn’t exist in your heart, how will
it exist? It will not, it will cease to exist. Time 24:46 Questioner 2: So the last time we had… I mean the last time in history we had forced
acts of symbolism that resulted in Nazi Germany… Sadhguru: I got you (Cheering) (Laughs). All right. I ____(Unclear) him. All right. See, the… this is why… this is why…
the problem is you have read European history, you have no idea of Indian history (Applause)
(Cheering). Let’s come to this, Nazi… Nazi Germany was organized against somebody
within that country. Right now, you standing up for the national
anthem is not a… organized against anybody. It is not organized against anybody (Applause). This must be understood. First of all, let us be very clear, without
investing our thought and emotion, there is no nation! Right now in this country a whole lot of people,
if you go into rural India, a whole lot of people don’t know what is India. They know only their caste, they know only
their community, their full allegiance is right there. You have to build this nation in people’s
minds and hearts. You don’t build a nation just around - if
you build a road and a bridge and something, nation will not happen. You have to build a nation in people’s minds
and hearts, this is a simple thing. Why should I stand up in a cinema theatre
- that’s a question. No, not necessary in the cinema theatre but
how many of you by yourself will go and attend a Republic Day Parade or go for flag hoisting
on an Independence Day and stand up and sing the national anthem (Applause)? You don’t! So, because the only damn place that you go
to is a cinema theatre, we are asking you to do it there (Cheering) (Applause)! Time 26:42 Questioner 2: Fine, So… Sir, so we’ll proceed from that discussion
as to I mean… as to my ideas of nation and whether I should be standing up and whether…
how that subscribes to ____(Unclear)… Sadhguru: Okay, how else will you express
your love for the nation? Questioner 2: If I could just make another
point there. Is that… I mean, two points here, first, take the example
of say I mean the victims of the 1984 riots or take the example of the Bhopal Gas victims,
right? These people have been failed by the nation. These people have been discriminated upon. Participant: They’ve been failed by the
government not the nation. Questioner 2: So I mean after 1984 how many
governments did we have? We had multiple governments (Applause) (Cheering)? Sadhguru: No, no… Questioner 2: So tell me one government after
1984 if… Sadhguru: See, one second, hello! It’s not just in 1984 or post ’94 we have
failed, we have continuously failed a whole lot of people for seventy years (Applause). When… When fifty percent of the country’s population
is still not nourished properly, we have obviously failed them. This is why I am saying this is a question
of humanity (Applause), this is not a question of nationality. The only way the largest… (Talks aside) The largest number of people,
the maximum number of humanity that you can address right now in the current reality of
the world is called a nation. If you want to address people in smaller communities,
you must break it into smaller groups or when… when the populations or the nations become
mature enough, like it’s happened in Europe, they’ve made a union. The same people fought each other in the World
War II but within sixty years’ time, they’ve formed an union (Applause) - there is a certain
maturity there. So here they don’t have to promote too much
nationalism because there is a maturity of accepting everybody and opening up the borders
and living as one larger union. So if such a thing happens to us that someday
we become an Asian union, which we should aim towards on someday, then you can lower
your nationalism. Right now you don’t have a thing, you’ve
not eaten properly, you talking about other kinds of ideas and comparing yourself (Sounds
like – with?) Nazi Germany which was in a completely different
state. I am saying you have ideals without reality
check about your understanding of where we are, where this country is right now (Applause). Time 29:10 Questioner 2: Okay sir. Then sir I think this is something… I completely get your points but I think this
is something we’ll disagree or I think if somebody has an issue… Sadhguru: No, you should not disagree, you
should ask more questions. Time 29:25 Questioner 2: Fine. So, (Cheering) (Applause). Since… I thought we had limited time… Sadhguru: See, it is like this… it is like
this, right now you are in that state of mind that “I am fixed on this, unless you say
what I want, I will not agree with you” (Laughter/Applause). This is not a debate (Cheering), you asked
a question, I have said what I have said. You ask more questions. Questioner: So, my primary concern was that
there was limited time but if you’re okay with it, so… Sadhguru: No, don’t worry about that, I’m
willing to spend the day with you (Applause). Because… Because, because you have raised an issue…
you raised an issue, where certain people, just for the sake of popularism, they’re
talking some nonsense without keeping the nation’s interest in their… in their thinking. Now… It’s okay, don’t shout, if you want to
say something take the microphone and speak, anonymously anybody can say anything. If you want to say something, stand up and
speak it’s perfectly fine with me, all right? Just doing boo boo, boo boo is not going to
help (Laughter). Because… Because this is a nation… As I said, I’m reminding you it not… you
don’t seem to have the pain in your heart, because I have traveled through villages and
rural landscape of this nation so much, I have seen people in such horrible conditions
continuously, even today. Just here, in this state just travel around
- see it’s one of the well-to-do states in the world… in the country - go to the
remote parts of this state and see how people are. Most of them have not eaten properly in their
entire life, okay? When this is the condition, we have (are?)
debating about nuances. Fifty-two seconds if I stand, my legs will
melt down? No. I’m saying this – can you create a nation
without investing your emotion into the nation making, can you? Time 31:22 Questioner: Sir, could investing emotion also
be by expressing healthy skepticism? Is healthy skepticism also not a factor that
is taken into account while building a nation? Sadhguru: See, you can stand up and be a skeptic. Be a stand-up skeptic, why are you a sit-down
skeptic? Even comedians are standing up these days. (Applause) Questioner: But it’s…it’s how I express
myself to be a skeptic. Sadhguru: Okay, how will you express, sir? Questioner: I mean… Sadhguru: See, how will you find… okay,
do one thing let us not sing the national anthem, let’s not stand for it, find some
way where all Indians can express one way, one minute of respect for this nation. Please find some way and tell me. Questioner: Sir, I completely agree with you
and that’s where I come from, like I could be contributing to the nation not in terms
of one minute but in terms of hours, I could be protecting tribal rights, I could be going
to courts and fighting for Dalits, I could be doing investigative journalism. (Applause) Sadhguru: Yes, sir! Questioner: So… Sadhguru: No, no, you did not… you did not
listen to me, please listen to me. What I’m saying is find one simple process,
one simple process that all of us can use to express our love for this country – find
that. Then we will stop the national anthem and
do that one – all right? Questioner: But sir, why is it that we need
a common idea of expressing love, I mean, if I have three children (Applause), all three
of them will express love to me… will express love to me in a different manner. Sadhguru: See, this is… you need to understand
this, your love for your country is not your personal romance, how you express your love… (Applause) how you express your love to your
friend or your partner is your business, we will not ask you, but when it comes to the
nation we are trying to put complex culture into one identity of some sort. (Participant speaking Inaudible) Why don’t you take a microphone and speak,
don’t sit down and speak, stand up, you got legs, right? Questioner: So, could somebody give the mic
to (Sounds like - Rohan Pratap ji?) (Sadhguru laughs) Sadhguru: You know their questions, please
tell me. Questioner: Fine so… (Laughter/Applause) so, before the mic comes
to him because I think it will take some time… Sadhguru: No, I would like you to stand up. Questioner 2: Yeah, yeah, so our question
was simple… Sadhguru: Can I sing the national anthem now
that you’re standing? (Laughter) Questioner 2: Sorry? Sadhguru: Can I sing the national anthem that
you’re standing right now? Time 33:52 Questioner 2: I think I can express my nationalism
the way I choose to express it because your country is extremely diverse. Sadhguru: I do not question that, I am not
even questioning that but I am saying this is a country of 1.3 billion people, each one
of us our own language, our own culture, our own castes and creeds, and eating, dressing,
everything is different. When it’s like this, we need some common
point which we all plug into and say this is our thing. So this is the flag, I know a flag is just
a bloody cloth, we know that but it’s we, by investing our emotion who make it sacred,
isn’t it? Questioner: So to add on to Rohan’s question,
I mean if the requirement… Questioner 2: The question is do we not have
faith in our … (Talks aside) Questioner 2: The question is -
do we not have faith in our diversity? We are a country whose population is more
than the population of Africa combined, or the Americas combined. A country which has a population more in diversity
than Europe and Australia combined… Sadhguru: You must shorten the question, I
know these statistics. Questioner 2: If we have such a diverse population,
where people can choose to express themselves in different methods, to show their nationalism,
to show their patriotism, that they’re working on a daily basis, to… for the betterment
of the country, who is this particular way that you’re referring to who can all of
a sudden decide the standard of what amounts to nationalistic expression and other expressions
which are not. ___(Unclear) (Applause)… Sadhguru: No, no, let’s… there are… I know this is certain kind of motivation
which is there, it’s fine, but this “suddenly” is not a… is a completely wrong word. In 1947, when the flag went up, the entire
nation stood up. Entire nation stood up (Applause) because…
because at that time we knew what it meant to be oppressed by somebody else, now we have
forgotten. That’s all that’s happened to us. Now you do not understand, this country has
a thousand years of history of invasions, and invasions and in every possible way we’ve
been rubbished – do you understand? And we have forgotten this that just sixty
- seventy years ago we had famines, where not… people did not die in hundreds or thousands,
they died in millions. We’ve forgotten that, we think… We… We’re talking a language of America. You must understand, in United States of America,
in every sports event, major Super Bowl (Referring to football league) is happening – if the
national anthem goes, everybody stands up, not just stand up, with their hand on their
heart. So, that nation is doing what it is doing,
it is also a complete conundrum of cultures from variety, people have all come from outside
in this generation, they’re not even born there but they all stand up with such pride. Because of that pride, that nation is the
most powerful nation in the world. If you don’t have pride – what do you
do? Time 36:43 Questioner: So I apologize to the people in
the audience, we will have forty minutes (Talks aside)… we will have forty minutes in the
audience discussion because the co-moderators also have important questions
to ask, I can’t take up their time. (Talks aside) Constitution under Article 19 (1)(a) gives
me the freedom of expression (Applause), and there are (Sounds like – explicit?) Supreme
Court decisions which say that I have the right to silence, to peaceful silence. So, if I am just sitting up and I have the
right to be silent, that is constitutionally protected. So, constitution does not say this, the only
law we have is the… Sadhguru: Please sit down. Hello. Questioner: …the only law we have is… I mean there is a separate law for that. Sadhguru: See, whoever… whoever, please,
whatever kind of question you want to ask, take the microphone and ask the question,
don’t just stand up and do whatever – okay please. Time 37:41 Questioner: So, sir if it’s fine to you
and if it’s fine to everybody, can we please do it in (Talking over each other) moderate
discussion? I mean if you’re fine with that because
we have a lot of important questions, nuanced questions to ask. Sadhguru: Yes. Questioner: So, I’m sorry I’ll take the
autocratic decision to move on and if you guys can please ask that in the audience questions. There’s forty minutes reserved for that. Sadhguru: That’s a very good thing, that’s
a very good thing they’re listening to your autocratic decision, they’re not saying
“we’ll express in our own way” (Applause). Questioner: Sir, because we already have two
opinions being discussed… (Sadhguru talks over him) Sadhguru: No, that is fine. All I am saying is, if everybody does things
in their own way, there is going to be chaos – that’s all it is. (Applause) Time 38:38 Questioner: So, we’ll (Laughs)… we’ll
discuss this in the audience questions. So, the next question, sir, which… Sadhguru, which I have concerns the inter-linkages
between art and war. This is again… this comes back… Sadhguru: What is this, art…? Questioner: …between art and war, between
art and nationalism. So, just to set the context – in Bombay
there were certain political entities which threatened that a particular film would not
be released because it involved the Pakistani actor, who by the way was working there… I mean was working in India legally on a government
sanctioned permit. It was argued that releasing such a film would
be disrespectful to Indians and to the Indian army, and there have also been similar instances
of other Pakistani actors and musicians also being prevented from working in India. Now, my question to you, Sadhguru is… is
that, what’s your stand on this - do you see this as extra constitutional bullying
or extra constitutional censorship because there is no law which says I cannot hire a
Pakistani actor, or do you see this as a justified patriotic concern? Sadhguru: See, anything that is not in the
framework of law, nobody has any business to force it. The law enforcement should be able to handle
it but unfortunately that’s not the reality in the country right now. Whether it’s about a Pakistani artist or
an Indian artist, it is not only about Pakistan, you saw this ‘Padmavat’ one big issue
happening, somebody won’t let you release, in Tamil Nadu it’s happened many times because
somebody doesn’t like it. I’m saying if you don’t like a bloody
movie don’t watch it, that’s about it. So, about India-Pakistan, there is… unfortunately
there is lot of continuous conflict happening. If it is not… If it is not necessary for us we must make
a law like that till these things are settled, as they’re saying right now “till it’s
settled we won’t talk”, similarly till it’s settled we won’t act, we won’t
sing, we won’t do, but outside the framework of law nobody has any business to enforce
anything. Time 40:37 Unfortunately the way to become a leader in
this country has been till now, you don’t have to create anything, you don’t have
to build anything, you gather a hundred people and block the highway for three days; make
everybody’s life miserable - you may get elected. So those of you who are shouting you must
understand this is not the way because this is how, this is the person that he’s talking
about right now – people who will break the framework and do their own thing, just
to have their way because they believe something. You can believe whatever you want (Applause)…
you can believe whatever you want, I can believe whatever I want but we have come to an agreement
that we will work within the framework of the constitution, and that is our book right
now. Other books that you read, a religious kind,
nationalistic kind, whatever other kind you read, it’s your personal choice you can
read whatever you want but the nation will run by this book - if you find a flaw in this
book, we have the freedom to amend the book. That’s how we must go. First and foremost thing about building a
prosperous nation is we must be a law abiding nation. If that doesn’t happen, never well-being
will happen to the people. Those who have the muscle will rule the nation. Questioner: So, as I understood from your
answer that in case that does not exist… Sadhguru: Why do you interpret my answer? I think they understand. (Applause) Questioner: No, I mean… so that I mean… I mean (Sadhguru laughs)… Sadhguru, you’re… you’re, I mean you
gave… I mean you look into all aspects of the answer
and you give a complete answer, sometimes maybe it’s difficult for us to understand
maybe what exactly you’re saying, so something as a moderator, it’s my duty to clarify
the answer. Sadhguru: Okay sir. Time 42:42 Questioner: So, my… as I understand from
your answer, Sadhguru, is that what you’re saying is that if there does not exist any
law which prohibits Pakistani actors from not being employed in Indian cinema… Sadhguru: It’s not just about that, even
where there were no Pakistani actors, many movies were not allowed to be released. There was violence on the streets. If we don’t learn to put this down at the
very first step, that somebody thinks they have a right to burn the buses. When the buses were burning I called somebody
who’s a very responsible person in this country and asked “What the hell is happening
in this country?” For a cinema you’re burning twenty - thirty
buses in some town. Then they said “Sadhguru, what to do Sadhguru? These are Rajputs.” All those women are dressed up like brides
and waiting, over hundred of them and they want to burn themselves. Suppose tomorrow even if ten of them burn
themselves it’ll become a international situation that we cannot handle, let some
buses burn Sadhguru.” I said “This is some strange kind of wisdom.” (Laughs) But unfortunately that is where we
are, and even your national… national anthem question is related to this, unfortunately
that is where the country is. Do not think just by reading law we are some
law-abiding fantastic nation, people still do things by themselves - all this… the
mob justice is still going on in this country. This is not in one place, in every village
there is mob justice, only a few things have been reported. If you know Indian villages, you know in the
Indian village, things are settled by the mob. Maybe sometimes directed by the Panchayat
or something, nobody goes to the police because it’ll take a long time. Court takes twenty-five years, maybe that’ll
be good for your living and your business, but it is not good for the people – I lose
something today, if I’m going… if my problem is going to be settled in twenty-five years’
time, it means nothing to me. I will gather five people and settle… try
to get my own justice. This is the nation we’re living in. Do not be in some utopia. This is the country we are living in, where
still for a whole lot of people there is no nourishment, there is no law, there is no
any kind of enforcement, they’re doing their own thing. You need to create a nation out of this. Questioner: So, we’ll move onto the next
question… Sadhguru: Yes, sir Time 44:53 Questioner: …is that - I mean this is again
on the theme of nationalism – is that there have been instances of governments spending
huge amounts of money on building statues of national icon and heroes. To set the context, I’m from Bombay and
a huge number of people from Mumbai, including me, see Chatrapathi Shivaji Maharaj as an
eminent warrior and icon. That being said, the government of Maharashtra
recently allocated rupees 3,600 crores for building a Shivaji statue. Sadhguru, my question is that, respecting
national heroes and taking pride in history is important but should it come at the cost
of spending rupees 3,600 crores, especially when you have important social economic issues
still pending? I mean, in Bombay there have been bridges
which have… I mean, there in Bombay, which have fallen
down. There are families… there are entire families
who have been killed, there are public schools which have only received twenty-five percent… Sadhguru: I know all the… all the many things
that we need to do in this country, there’s no… not one thing or two things. There are so many things we need to do in
this… at this time, is it necessary to build a statue? Well, it is not my personal choice to build
a big statue but at the same time – when I inquired about this because it kind of bothered
me also when I look at the number of how much it costs, then I was told this is going to
be a technology center of an experience of India, and Indian culture, and variety of
things, they want to make it a tourist attraction of a… the tourist attraction in the country,
Mumbai being the commercial capital. So, they have some vision, I don’t know
how it will turn out, pan out because it’s the government executing the vision but they
have a vision and hopefully it will turn out in such a way that it’ll be a big tourism
draw for Mumbai. Right now they feel Mumbai has commercial
travelers but no tourists coming to India… Tourists coming to India avoid Mumbai for
variety of reasons. They want to change that with this one project. Hopefully they do that and Chatrapatha… Chatrapathi Shivaji is an inspiration for
all the Maratis for everything, so they want to build his statue, I don’t know how tall
it is – how tall it is? So, I don’t think the main budget is for
the statue, it is for the complex that they’re building. They’re saying it’s going to be a tourist
draw. If it so… Time 47:20 Questioner: Fine, so… I understand that, we don’t have clarity
as to the facts as to… I mean whether they will be able to recoup
the investment or not, but there were some people who just… I mean, just to let you know and then you
could also give your view on this - there were some people who did statistical studies
on this. They said that Taj Mahal which is the most
popular monument in India, has twenty-five crores coming from it annually – twenty-five
- thirty. And this is 3,600 crores, which means that
even if you don’t include the cost of maintenance, this will take one-fifty (one-hundred-and-fifty)
years just to recover (Applause). Sadhguru: See, that is… that is very simplistic
economics, I don’t know why… for anything illogical, a few people are always clapping
motivated in a certain way (Applause). Please, this is very illogical economics. This is not how that project is being planned
because from what little I know – I’m not an expert on this, let me admit that I
don’t know much about it but it’s not only about the statue. The statue is probably to pacify a certain
groups of people so that they support that and they don’t, you know, start a protest
against this tourism project. The project like this will not be like… See, Taj Mahal is one ticket entry, this is
not going to be like that. This is going to be many things about Indian
culture and this is not going to raise… it is not like twenty-five rupee ticket, you
pay and you enter and go. And anyway, these kind of projects, it is
going to be economically viable because we’ve been working on the river projects with Maharashtra’s
Finance Minister - they are very, very, you know, astute about money. So I’m sure they’ll work out economic
module, I have no doubt about that but beyond that, a tourism project, something that you’re
trying to draw people into the town means they will stay in the hotels, they will eat,
they will do many things, they will spend money in the town, so there is… economics
is in many places. So, out of… just to see Taj Mahal people
to come to India, do you think just with a fifty rupee ticket they enter, for foreigners
I think it’s hundred rupees or something, they enter and they go away? No, they will eat, they will stay in a hotel,
they will buy things, Indian arts, crafts, everything sells. So, it is very simplistic to look at this…
this is gathering twenty-five crores, this will take hundred-and-fifty years – no,
that’s not the way to look at it (Applause). Questioner: Fine, so we’ll move onto the
next question, but – I’m sorry I’m indulging myself here – even if it is not 3,600 crores,
even if you are going to recover it in the future, when you have children who are… I mean, when you have children, who are dying
of malnutrition, when you have schools which have only twenty-five percent public funding,
when the rest of the seventy-five percent hasn’t come, when you have this amount which
is seven times the amount which Maharashtra… Sadhguru: See, I’ll tell you. This 3,600 crores is less than three months
of alcohol consumption in Mumbai city (Applause). Why don’t we abstain for three months and
build the damn thing, hmm, whatever it is? (Applause) Time 50:29 Questioner 3: Okay Sadhguru, we’ll now move
onto the next question. This is more related to spirituality, so this
won’t have that much controversy I guess. Sadhguru: Hey, this is even more controversial
(Laughter). Questioner 3: Okay I’ll try to bring in
the controversy here. It is a common notion among people that spirituality
is a rich person’s area. So even if you look at the people who have
gathered around here, we’re all pretty much well off, and once we have earned for ourselves,
we then find time to do yoga, or meditation, or look into our inner being. But as we discussed all through… throughout
the whole discussion till now – there are… yes, you yourself have said that five-hundred
million people are still malnourished and there are so many people in this country who
are daily-wage workers who… who at that point of time, spirituality and learning of
their inner being would not there…would not be the most important thing for them. Their most important thing would be feeding
themselves and their children for the next meal. Sadhguru: Really you think so? You do one thing. You go to any so called spiritual event in
the country, will you see rural masses there or people like you in denims? (Applause) Who will you see, hmm? Questioner 3: Yeah, yeah… Sadhguru: So, don’t make conclusions which
are not even true. Are we trying to prove something or are we
trying to look at truth? The truth of this nation is, we have kept
our populations in extreme abject poverty. Nourishment is missing, leave anything else,
nourishment is missing. In spite of that… I must tell you this, people ask me these
questions wherever I go in the world, “Sadhguru, so many spiritual teachers and masters, so
many great beings have come in India but why are we so poor? Why is India so poor? Where is the spirituality?” Well, you know this. Two-hundred-and-fifty years ago we were the
richest nation on the planet. Everybody wanted to come to India. Why do you think a Vasco da Gama or that Columbus
who made that mistake, all these people set off in the oceans that they did not know and
over hundred expedition… expeditions in the ocean drowned, nobody ever wrote about
them, all right - because nobody writes about people who drown in the oceans. So, why was everybody in Europe trying to
come to India? Because it was the most prosperous nation. Well, in two-hundred-and-fifty years we got
cleaned up, we can’t… well, somebody did it to us because we can’t
just blame them because it is also ourselves who allowed that thing to happen to ourselves. Now we are trying to build back, all right? But even though you kept them in such abject
poverty, wherever these people went, they made sure not a bit of the local culture remained. Just look at North America, South America,
Australia and large parts of Africa, anywhere, this one culture, after thousand years of
invasions, we’ve still kept our culture and our spiritual process - not for nothing! Where we are, you know, where our yoga center
is, there is a police station about twelve kilometers away. This police station is supposed to service
nearly a quarter million people in different levels of economic situations, all right? Some are rich farmers, some are medium, some
are really poor, there are tribal communities, everything. There are only (Sounds like – to/till?)
now… in the last thirty years I’ve been there, at a time there was only seven, eight
policemen with a ASI (Referring to assistant sub-inspector of police). Today, there are about fourteen to fifteen
policemen with a SI – this is an upgrade that happened three years ago. Otherwise, even now, with these fourteen policemen
two or three will be on leave because of something or the other, and three, four are on night
duty. Hardly seven, eight policemen for quarter
million people, and these are poor people living in small huts. Time 54:38 People are driving in Mercedes cars up and
down but they never pounced on them, killed them and took what they have. It never happened. This is spirituality if you’ve not… if
you’ve forgotten this, this is spirituality (Applause), you understand? Well, you don’t stretch this too far, you
don’t take their spirituality fo… too far. You have to settle what they need in their
lives as quickly as possible otherwise they won’t hold for too long. But it is because of that spiritual process
we as a nation have survived in spite of all the abuse that’s happened to us and don’t
say rural masses don’t have spirituality, they are the ones who are really on, urban
masses are losing it, isn’t it? Time 55:22 Questioner: No, my question wasn’t towards
rural masses, mine is like… Sadhguru: No, poor… Questioner: … for example, I’ll just… Sadhguru: Poverty, right? Questioner: Not… not poverty as such but
for people who are working every day, like for example the maid in my house, for example,
she let’s say she works in five-six different houses, she probably is able to make 4000,
5000 a month and at that point of time she would try to… the most important thing going
in her mind would be educating her children, probably feeding herself. I am saying that they do deserve to… Sadhguru: Yes. Questioner: …have the self-awareness and
the spirituality but how… how will we… Sadhguru: Okay, how will we do it? If you do not know this – seventy percent
of our work is in rural India, where the poorest of the poor are, okay? Poorest of the poor are in rural India, seventy
percent of our work is in rural India and it’s free. It’s free of cost. You walk with me in Tamil Nadu - you go into
a village, the entire village will gather not for money, not for something else because
they know there is (are?) some tools of transformation which they can make use of. So, in the city there is money involved simply
because you want it in a air-conditioned room. Air-conditioning is on right now, whether
I pay or you pay or somebody else pays, somebody is paying for it, isn’t it? If you don’t understand this, you have no
sense of economy. That’s a biggest problem in the country
- people have no sense of economy so they are always asking for welfare schemes, “Give
me this, give me that.” But whether I pay or you pay, somebody is
paying, isn’t it? If what is paid is not accounted for, it’s
not going to work. This is the reason why we are poor because
we are not conducting our economics properly. Now spiritual process is about inner strength
- especially if (Sounds like – we/you?) are going through hardships, inner strength
is most important or no? That is the time to remove it. Is it there for the rural masses? Definitely there, much more than… Seventy percent of our time we are investing
but when I come to the city, when I come to Delhi, activists come and invite me, “Why
are you only meeting the rich and powerful? Why are you not coming to the slum?” I said, “The whole goddamn country is a
slum and I’m traveling all over. When I come to Delhi I want to meet only the
rich and powerful, let it be very clear to you. I’m not going to come to the slum in Delhi
because the entire country is a slum if you’ve not seen.” Questioner: Thank you, sir. Time 57:45 Questioner: Sadhguru, many of my colleagues
and I are soon going to begin our professional careers. So, there may be occasions in the… in the
course of our career, where we are confronted with certain moran… moral dilemmas. For example, a situation where you are required
to defend someone you know is guilty or a situation where you... you have to prosecute
someone you know is innocent. Now the law says that every accused is entitled
to an attorney and the right to a fair trial. Now if I decide to defend this particular
accused individual and I defend… and I defend him successfully then should I be pleased
with the acquittal or should I regret the… the fact that the victim has been… has not
received justice? So, how do I reconcile this conflict between
my conscience and my professional obligation? Sadhguru: See, your profession is a constitutional
obligation. You have no business to see what is right
and wrong. Your business is just to interpret the constitution
for the well-being of the citizen who comes to you. Crime he’s committed maybe, but sometimes
the crimes are so heinous, then the human question will come up, “Should I save this
guy at all?” So, this is not a mo… don’t make this
into a moral dilemma. This is a professional thing, where you must
decide – are you fulfilling your constitutional responsibility or no? This is not for you to take a moral stand. Okay, this guy has done something that I don’t
like, so let him hang – this is not for you to decide. Your business is just to interpret the law,
so that everybody gets a fair this thing. This once happened. Can I tell you a joke? A very serious lawyer you are (Laughter)! Time 59:41 Sadhguru: This happened. Shankaran Pillai was accused of murder (Laughter)…
accused of murder. So he went on pleading, “Not guilty, not
guilty, not guilty.” After four years, when the case was nearly
coming to a close suddenly he said, “Okay, I will plead guilty.” So the judge asked, “All these four years
whatever we said, you went on saying ‘not guilty’. Now you are saying ‘guilty’. What is this?” He said, “At that time, I had not heard
the evidence” (Laughter). So when somebody commits a crime, of course
he tries to save his skin, all right? And when somebody commits a crime, it’s
not for everybody to take a call. Right now, it’s happening on the social
media and even in the television channels, “Okay, hang him, castrate him, do this,
do that.” If you go by this, then lynching is what you
will do in the end. Why go to the court? Let’s lynch them when we see they have done
something wrong. Because when something really terrible happens
in front of you or you come to know it’s happened - it’s not just robbery, some terrible
things are being done, all right? When really terrible things happen, the crowd
will want to lynch that guy. Even regular people. See, responsible people in the country are
uttering these words, “I would like to be the hangman for this guy.” So why they are saying this is, yes, your
humanity burns when you see such things happening but you as a lawyer, your business is just
to interpret the law, to stay within the framework of the constitution. It’s not for you… Because you know this guy has committed the
crime, it’s not for you to take a gun and shoot that guy in the court. That’s not your business. That should happen through due process. If we… Even if it looks unjust, what is unjust is
the length of time that these legal procedures are taking. If we want justice to be reasonable and human
or humane, it’s very important the time has to be reduced. This time is killing people and this time
is making people do extra judicial stuff - simply because the amount of time it’s taking. This has to change. Interviewer: So… I mean it was an extremely insightful explanation
wherein you talked about why certain mobs, why certain individuals take law in their
own hands. May it be the judicial delays, may it be the
time-consuming process. Just one clarificatory question I had here,
is that, while the absence of a adequate legal infrastructure might propel them to do such
acts, are such acts justified despite the inadequate legal infrastructure, that’s
one question. Sadhguru: I thought I made that extremely
clear in the previous answer. Anything outside the framework of law, the
moment you think it’s all right, however nice and right it may look to you, then you
are breaking the nation. Interviewer: May it be as a lawyer or as a
citizen? Time 62:57 Sadhguru: Even as a citizen. But at the same time, when there is no law,
when the law is skewed in somebody else’s favor, I know I will not get justice, something
terrible happens to me, you can’t stop this human being from doing it. So it is both ways. Is it correct? It is definitely not correct. Nobody has the right to do it but you cannot
use that position and keep on keeping people in a state of injustice. They will act in their own way. So legal reforms need to happen rapidly otherwise
you will see things going, people taking it in their own hands. Interviewer: Thank you for the answer. Interviewer 2: Sir, you had quoted earlier
that in… in one of your previous videos that the curse of a shudra has no power. The curse of a Vaishya… Sadhguru: What (Laughs)?! No. Interviewer 2: Yes sir. I… It was in a video, I’ve seen, sir. Sadhguru: No. Interviewer 2: The curse of a… Sadhguru: You must have heard somebody else
not me. Time 64:03 Interviewer 2: No sir, I did… okay fine,
let’s move on to the next question, sir. Sadhguru: Okay, no, no, complete the question. I’ll answer this. Interviewer 2: Because I saw the video yesterday,
sir. Sadhguru: Okay. Interviewer 2: No, it’s a question on the
curse of a Shudra or the yogin power of a Shudra has… will not amount to anything. That of a Vaishya, you may lose a meal; if
that of a Kshatriya, you may lose a limb and that of a Brahmana, you may lose everything. And my question here is… and you had also
stated that this varna system was not based on birth but was based on the occupation that
person had… Sadhguru: Oh! Interviewer 2: …and the qualification of
the occupation. So my question here is since the karma of
tch… of a Vaishya or a Shudra is defined to them and they are doing their duties, how
is the power of one more than that of the other? Time 64:58 Sadhguru: No, I think this is completely misunderstood. Let me put this in the right perspective. Right now, you are going on the street. We said it is an occupation - it’s not by
birth, it’s not… we are not talking about a caste system. By occupation, those who did menial jobs were
considered one. It is over a period of time it became by birth. Okay? Any… This is a class system which became a caste
system over a period of time… thousands of years. And then it became discriminatory unfortunately. Anyway, right now, suppose a man who is sweeping
the street got angry with you, at the most he will take some filth and throw it at you. Yes? But a big businessman in the town got angry
with you, he will do something else to you. Kshatriya means today a police officer or
a political leader got angry with you. Much bigger damage will happen to your life,
isn’t it? Now, there were people who had attained to
certain inner ca… capabilities. If they got angry with you, really damage
would happen to your life. This is what is being spoken. Please do not misinterpret as caste system
and shudra has… No, you started off with “shudra has less
cursing power” - that is so even today, isn’t it? Those who are doing menial jobs do they have
the same capacity to damage your life, as a person who is in power? That’s all that’s being spoken there (Applause). Interviewer 3: Thank you for the answer, Sadhguru. The next question is something which all students
deal with is how does one figure out their passion? And should one necessarily follow their passion
even if it means sacrificing comfort, lifestyle or geographical proximity to family? And should passion always override such considerations
which might also be important in their own way? Time 66:55 Sadhguru: See what is… Let us understand what is passion. Passion is just a certain thought in your
mind to which you invest certain emotion. That’s your passion, right? You can be passionate about a certain activity,
you can be passionate about a certain person, you can be passionate about a certain thing. How did this happen? It’s a thought in which you invested a certain
amount of emotion. I am saying if you know this and if you know
how to generate thoughts consciously and invest emotion consciously, this wouldn’t be…
even be a (an?) issue. Right now, passions are happening compulsively. What happens compulsively will lead you wherever
it leads you. Sometimes it takes you to a good place. Sometimes it takes you to a bad place. But if it means so much to you, it means so
much to you means it is just that you have invested so much emotion in it. That’s all it is. Because you have invested so much emotion
in it, you may not be able to look at it logically once again. You have lost your fundamental discretion
simply because you’ve invested so much emotion in it. I don’t think that’s a way to build one’s
life. One must build their life consciously but
most people don’t understand what is building life consciously. They only do things by chance. This is why those who are successful are stressed. Those who have failed are frustrated. Both are suffering. What else should happen in their life? That’s what they need to look at. What needs to happen in their life is they
must learn to conduct their physical body, their psychological process, their emotional
process, and the fundamental energy process in the body consciously. If this happens consciously, this will happen
the way you want. If this happens the way you want, you living
joyfully or blissfully is a natural thing. In the world what you do is not according
to your passion. In the world what you do is what is most needed
today, that’s what you must do. “This is my passion” the world doesn’t
need it but you keep on doing it, what is the point? Time 69:13 Interviewer 3: So just a follow up on that
question about the world… I mean, certain things we need to done (do?)
to improve certain issues or to remedy certain problems. Now, from my limited understanding or at least
what we learnt in textbooks is Buddhism talks about how we should not be attached to something
or how in certain cases we should be detached. I mean it talks about how suffering… one
of the reasons behind suffering is attachment. Now my question to you, Sadhguru, on this
is that how can I attempt to remedy injustice if I am not sentimentally (Sadhguru laughs)
affected or attached to a particular cause? How can I help a particular friend or empathize
with him if I am not attached with him? So this obsessiveness or attachment, is it
necessarily bad? Sadhguru: See, this attachment-detachment
business is a misunderstanding that’s come out of the Gita in this country. People misunderstood Krishna like nothing
(Laughs), in the sense - people think Krishna is talking about detachment. Please look at his life. His life is involvement, isn’t it? If you look at the scape of whatever we know
about his life, whatever little we know about his life, his life spells involvement, involvement,
involvement with everything around him. So this person unfortunately is being accused
of detachment. See, if there is no involvement there is no
life. You can only know life with involvement. Even if the meal that you eat today, if you
are not involved you will not know what it is. Without involvement you cannot even taste
life. Not possible. People are talking about detachment because
of fear of suffering. Fear of suffering has come because when they
involve, they get entangled. They do not know how to get involved. They just get entangled. Entanglement is happening because your involvement
is very discriminatory. Is that sinking in? Time 71:17 Interviewer 3: So I should be equally involved
in everything? Is this what you are saying? I mean… Sadhguru: Tell me, if you are less involved
in your breath and more involved in your eating, you think life will work (Applause)? See, breath is involuntary. That’s what I’m… That’s why I am using the word “breath”
because it’s involuntary. You don’t have to do anything. It’s just happening but we are involved
by keeping the air conditioning on otherwise we’ll suffocate. This is our involvement. We turned on the machine. We may not be consciously breathing, all right,
but we are involved. Without involvement in every aspect of life,
you will get skewed and that is when psychologically you get messed up so much that in many ways
mind gets deranged. Seeing this, somebody said, “You are too
attached. You must be detached” No, detachment will
not work either. Can you be detached and do something well? Can you do something well, being detached
about it? No. You need absolute involvement. If you have an indiscriminate sense of involvement,
you will see there is no entanglement in your involvement. If you discriminate, you will get entangled. The problem is of discrimination not of involvement. Time 72:35 Interviewer 3: Fine. So thank you for the answer. Interviewer 4: Sadhguru, in one of your uploads
on YouTube, you speak of an experience where you have consumed the cobra venom and you
describe this experience as something, where one part of yourself felt like you are in
a state of slumber, while the other part of you felt like you are in a higher level of
brightness. So how do you perceive the use of other natural
intoxicants such as weed or bhang which take you to the same level of (Cheers & Applause)
higher consciousness but the only difference lies in the means which are adopted in reaching
that higher level of consciousness. So why has the consumption of weed in India
remained a stigmatized subject and fortunately for us we have seen a minister in the Narendra
Modi cabinet, Mrs. Menaka Gandhi, who has come out in support of legalization of marijuana. So could you also tell us what your take is
on whether or not marijuana should be decriminalized given that there is enough evidence to suggest
that (Sadhguru Laughs) there is medical benefits associated with the consumption of marijuana? Sadhguru: Medical benefits are for those who
are sick, isn’t it (Laughter/Applause)? We talk about medical benefits when people
get sick, not when they are healthy, all right? So I am glad you have been doing some research
about finding that cobra venom thing. We are not consuming cobra venom on a daily
basis. We are consuming mercury on a daily basis
sometimes but that is not for intoxication nor do we need cobra venom for intoxication. Just look at my eyes and see, they are always
stoned (Cheers). Really, don’t put your head down. Just look at me and see (Laughter), I am always
stoned. Interviewer 4: (Sounds like - I admire?). Sadhguru: Not… I never touched a substance but is it true
that this human mechanism is the most sophisticated chemical factory on the planet? Hello? Time 74:56 Participants: Yes. Sadhguru: So if you know how to manage this
well, you can produce what you want in this. Anyway, there was an Israeli scientist. You might have heard about him because you’ve
done so much research on this aspect. He wanted… he was doing research on cannabis
and its impact on the neurological system. So he started this research in United States. Every year he was getting some fifteen kilograms
of cannabis. For almost twelve - thirteen years he got
this. And he produced no results and in 1980s when
US drug agencies, you know, the agencies which were working against the drug smuggling and
stuff, they decided to not hit the suppliers but hit the market. So the street was burning with police action. At that time the police and the agencies said,
“This guy is getting thirteen kilograms (Laughs) per year. We have not seen any paper from him. It must stop.” So they stopped. Then he moved to Israel and he showed what
he has done. And they supplied marijuana for him as much
as he wants. In about four-and-a-half years, he came up
with this - he said, “There are millions of cannabis res… receptors in our brain.” But why? So he threw this information to all kinds
of scientific disciplines to find out why in human brain there are millions of cannabis
receptors. Time 76:34 Well, naturally the anthropologists said,
“Maybe at some time the whole humanity was smoking” (Laughs). But that’s not possible because many parts
of the world it doesn’t exist. But even there, they have. After many things, many funny things happened
around the world in this context, then the neurologists came up with this and said, “The
brain is expecting that you will produce cannabis within the system.” It’s not expecting you to smoke. It’s expecting you produce that so that
it becomes a mood equalizer for you all the time. But most human beings have become inefficient
chemical factories or they are just lousy CEOs managing a great factory. So they start smoking from outside (Laughs). It’s not a moral issue. It’s not a moral issue for me. But the thing is, there is substantial studies
which are being put down by those Pew (Referring to Pew Research Center in US) activists who
want to promote it. There is substantial studies to show that
your decision making, your… certain dimensions of your brain particularly about decision
making are sufficiently suppressed if you smoke marijuana for thirty days. This will last for four to five years, your
decision making is clearly affected. With that kind of mind, with that kind of
a brain, if you enter the court and I am putting my life in your hands, I don’t want a cannabis
smoking lawyer for me. I don’t want a cannabis smoking surgeon
to work upon me. If he is just smoking on the street corner
not doing anything to anybody, it’s his problem. But definitely I don’t want my surgeon to
be on marijuana and do surgery on me. Yes or no? Do you want (Few Laugh)? Nor do I want other drivers - because I drive
at a certain speed - I don’t want other drivers who are smoked out driving with me. I don’t want. Nor do I want my driver ever if at all if
I sit in the backseat, to have smoked and then driving. If you want that, you choose but we don’t
want that. Most people don’t want that because they
know what it’ll lead to. So what we are looking at recreation, we have
made it this way. What this means is essentially, today seventy
percent of the American population is on prescription medication. Rest of the world is trying to catch up (Laughter). Yes. Rest of the world is trying to catch up. People are starting medicines very early on
their life. The remaining thirty percent of course are
going on things that you are talking about. Why just stop with cannabis, why don’t we
do some cocaine because it really fires us up? You know (Gestures) (Laughter)? Hey, it’s okay man (Laughs). It’s all right with me. I told you it’s not a moral issue for me. It’s a question of whether it will enhance
your life or suppress your life. Whether it will allow you to live your life
full on or will it make you a smaller life than the way you are or what you are capable
of. Nothing less than what you can do must happen
in this life, isn’t it, for whatever reason - either because of your attitudes or your
stress or your drug or for whatever reason - you should not become a human being less
than what you could be. You must maximize this life because all you
have in this life is how intense and profound is your experience of life, that’s all there
is and half the time if you are dazed out, you will miss that possibility. But if you come to me I can teach you a way,
simply you can sit here and be stoned out (Cheers) (Applause). No… Really. Not just me I have… I do this to any number of people. Thousands of people they just sit there and
boom (Laughter). Every day in the morning I can show you millions
of people who close their eyes, tears of ecstasy dripping. Because there is a way, there is a way to
activate this system, because there is no more complex chemistry on the planet than
this one (Referring to oneself). Yes or no? Do you agree with me? Time 80:55 When there is… When everything is here it’s best to learn
to use this. If we invest some time early on in your life,
very effortlessly you can get here. Instead of that if you take external inputs,
we know all the negative impacts of that. Time 81:09 Moderator: So sir, when someone has wronged
us or has abused us in some way, we either have feelings of hostility and resentment… Sadhguru: Oh, we must file a suit (Laughter). Time 121:23 Moderator: No, in a minor… in a minor sense
if they abuse us or if they wrong us, we sometimes have feelings of resentment and hostility
against them. And sometimes we might tend to forgive them
and let it go. So my question here is, where must we draw
a line to hold the wrong-doer responsible for what he does and when should we know to
forgive him and when should we know to let it go? So this is the question. Sadhguru: See, this is not about the other
person. The choice for you is this - if you are given
a choice, right now for all of you, if you are given a choice that you can either live
joyfully, blissfully, or miserably, or in anger, or in stress, or in resentment, what
is your natural choice? You must choose, I’m going to bless you
right now (Laughter). Participants: Joyful… Sadhguru: What is your natural choice? Participants: Joyfully… Sadhguru: Joyfully, isn’t it? Because every human being is looking for highest
level of pleasantness for himself, for herself. You can call it joy, you can call it bliss. These are just words. Essentially, we want highest level of pleasantness
for ourselves. If your body becomes pleasant, we call this
health. If it becomes very pleasant, we call this
pleasure. If your mind becomes pleasant, we call this
peace. If it becomes very pleasant, we call this
joy. If your emotions become pleasant, we call
this love. If it becomes very pleasant we call it compassion. If your very life energies become pleasant,
we call this bliss. If it becomes very pleasant, we call it ecstasy. If your surroundings become pleasant, we call
this success. Only to… (Applause) Only to make your surroundings
pleasant, you need the cooperation of all these people. Because in creating an external situation,
there are many forces involved. Not all of them you even know. Do you understand? You wanted to create a… a wonderful situation
for yourself, you don’t even know how many forces are working in that area. If you harness a few forces, if they cooperate,
things will happen. If they don’t cooperate, it won’t happen. But for the pleasantness of the body, pleasantness
of the mind, pleasantness of your emotion and energy, it’s one-hundred percent you. Yes or no? Is that yes or no? Participants: Yes. Sadhguru: No, no. Because in some cultures, this (Gestures)
is yes, in some cultures, this (Gestures) is… you know? Yes, right? Time 84:04 Moderator: Yes. Sadhguru: Surroundings. Creating situations in the surroundings you
need cooperation from the people, otherwise it won’t happen. So only for success, you need cooperation. To keep yourself pleasant, it’s one-hundred
percent yours. So right now, you know well that you want
to be peaceful. But, somebody else is doing something. What are they doing? They know (are doing?) what they know best. They are abusing you. Why are they doing it? Because that’s all they know. Yes or no? That is what… That is how they know their life. That’s why they are doing it. If you become resentful and you think something
will happen to them… See, these are things - anger, resentment,
hatred - these are all poisons that you drink and you expect somebody else to die. No, life doesn’t work like that. You drink poison, you die. It’s a very fair life (Applause). If you drink poison, you die. Very fair, isn’t it so? I drink poison and you die, is it fair (Few
laugh)? So people who are in anger, resentment, hatred,
this is their thing. They are drinking poison. When I say poison… When I say poison, I am not saying in a moral
sense. There is substantial medical evidence right
now that we can show you with a blood test that five minutes before… You take your blood test right now, five minutes
you remain in extreme anger and take your blood test, you will see you are chemically
poisoned, actually. So you are literally poisoning yourself, thinking
it’s going to hurt them. No. It (is?) only going to hurt you. So it doesn’t make sense to me. That’s all. It’s not a morality whether you should get
angry or not get angry. It’s up to you, if you want to make a mess
out of yourself. Time 85:52 Moderator: So this is a question we were sent. And the context of this question as I understand
is that previously our understanding of gurus or mystics were individual... individuals
who meditated and were in penance in forests (Sadhguru laughs), who were not attached to… I mean who are not attached or concerned with
businesses. So a question we were sent is that now we
see a lot of mystic individuals who have huge foundations, who have companies. Some of whom who have gone into production
of foods and soaps. So, the question here is that is this… Sadhguru: Toothpaste… That’s the most popular (Laughter). Time 86:34 Moderator: So the question here is that, is
this a healthy trend that you have individuals who you otherwise identified as individuals,
devoid of material pleasures, or away from material pleasures, or away from businesses
are now actually turning to them? Sadhguru: Well, you have not yet managed a
business. Managing a business is definitely not a pleasure
(Laughs), okay? But I know who is in the focus right now (Laughter). See, I was (Laughs)… I had a… some kind of a conference in Chennai. And somebody came to pick me up and the driver
was driving. He’s a regular driver. He goes behind what is in front of him. And it’s getting late. I have a reputation to keep, that in these
thirty-seven years I have not been late to a single event in my life (Applause). Though in one day I may have three, four,
five events, still I have not been late to one. So I want to get there. This guy is going at his own pace in the traffic. So I said, “You get out” and I took the
wheel, and I did some force driving. That was in Tamil Nadu. The Andhra Pradesh police cannot do anything
about it (Laughter). So I did some force driving and just made
it in time. The security gate at the hotel, you know these
days they are stopping you, opening your bonnet, checking your engine and your boot. Nobody knows what they are looking for (Laughter). After that… After that Mumbai event, unfortunately everybody
has to go through this. So the car in front of me went and the gate
opened. I just went through and they were screaming. I came into the portico, stopped, left the
car there and ran into the conference. There was some journalist standing there. After I finished the thing and I came back,
they said, “In ancient times yogis, used to walk (Few laugh). You drive your own car, what kind of a yogi
are you?” Then I said, “You idiot, in ancient times,
everybody was walking (Laughter/Applause). Not just a yogi.” So… Time 88:50 Moderator: So mystics keep with the times? Sadhguru: Hmm? Moderator: So mystics keep with the times? Sadhguru: Oh, they were always contemporary
(Laughter). The problem… The problem is most people’s idea of a mystic
is the Sivakasi calendar (Few laugh), where one man is sitting under the tree with a constipated
look on his face (Laughter). That is a calendar art. That is not a mysticism, all right? The mystics of the day… Well, look at anybody. If you call Krishna a mystic, he was working
with the kings all the time because he wanted to transform the political system. If you see Gautama Buddha, always working
with the kings, because he wants to transform the political system. Without transforming the political system,
people will not benefit. So always, the gurus were always around the
kings not because of their palaces, because of their concern - unless the one who rules
transforms himself, there will be no benefit for the people. Right from ages, you go back wherever you
want - always they were around the kings not looking for crumbs in the palace but simply
because unless you transform that one fool, the country will not change (Applause). Time 90:07 Moderator: Sir, it’s been indicated to us
that there is lack of time. So what we could do is that I have a question
on Section 377, and Angad has a question on something else. If I’m not wrong, 377 will be taken up by
somebody in the audience. So I’ll let that go. Or if its… does anybody in the audience
have that question? Then I’ll let it go. Does nobody have a question on that? Fine. So sir, when somebody asked you for your views
on Section 377, you talked about how we should not be entering into people’s bedrooms,
how they should be given the privacy, how we should not be criminalizing this. That being said there was a statement after
that which me and a lot of Nalsarites didn’t understand as to what was the context or the
basis of that statement, is that it should not be promoted. What is this, it should not be promoted? Sadhguru: See right now there are people,
large majority of the people are heterosexual. You don't have to promote it, anyway they
will do what they have to do. Similarly if there is homosexuality among
a certain segment of people, no need to promote, they will do what they have to do and what
a heterosexual person is doing in their bedroom, does anybody enquire what is he doing? They should not enquire, it’s not civilization
I am saying. Similarly no matter what the hell you are
doing in your privacy, we will not even enquire I am saying because we are not interested. What you are doing with your body is not my
interest as long as you’re not harming yourself. If you are damaging your system, then maybe
we have to intervene otherwise what’s my business what you are doing with your body? Questioner: The question I have on that is,
yes as far as heterosexuals are concerned they are a large majority. When it comes to homosexuals, there exists
social prejudices which prevent them from coming out and acknowledging what their sexuality
is. In that social… I mean in that context… Sadhguru: See… that was because there was
a certain law, you must understand this law was made by the British. The British made this law because the English
soldiers that they brought from England to manage this large nation, they did not come
with their wives and girlfriends. They came all men, so homosexuality was all
pervasive among them - because they had no options. So because of that, they bought… brought
this law which is actually said as buggery law. Okay? So that was made in a certain context. So now the Supreme Court, the highest court
in the country has removed it. It’s finished. What is the debate continuing about it? Questioner: But I might be wrong as to what
the opinion of a large portion of the population is but I don’t think I will be wrong in
saying that there do still exist significant prejudices against homosexuals and in that
context should we not be allowing them… Sadhguru: Tch… See… See, that is what I am saying, why should
you tell me that you are a heterosexual or a homosexual? Why should you tell me, hmm? Your partner knows what you are and that's
all that matters. Why should I know (Applause)? But you want to tell me and you want to tell
me and I must have the right kind of emotion towards you, why are you expecting this from
people? Time 93:18 Questioner: Sadhguru, the point I am arriving
at is that I might be no be able to acknowledge my own… I mean, I will not be able to acknowledge
it to myself, leave alone to anybody else unless and until this social prejudice…
unless and until this homosexuality comes out in the open. Just to give an example, once a lot of celebrities
came out as “yes, we are homosexual,” other individuals who are also homosexuals
but were scared of identifying themselves as such also accepted their sexuality. So in that context could promotion probably
make sense? Sadhguru: See we are making a mistake. Sexual… The preference, sexual preference is not sexuality. They are two different things, all right? Sexual preference is a different thing. You’re… You’re making it like it’s a kind of a
new species, it is not. I am saying. They are all human species, different people
have different choices, it’s up to them. There is no need for you to go about making
some kind of a campaign about it. It’s not necessary because you will inevitably
get the (Sounds like – hate/heat?) from others who don’t see it that way. Where is it needed, I am asking? It’s a personal choice. Questioner: Yes, I might get the (Sounds like
– hate/heat?) but I also might... I also might be able to allow other people
who are suppressed in their understanding of what their sexuality is, come out in the
open and acknowledge what their sexuality is, it might help them. Sadhguru: See, the thing is, what you are
demanding is that everybody should acknowledge whatever you do. People may not acknowledge. What’s your business? It’s legal, leave it no. You are not going to prison for it, that’s
about it just leave it. I don’t like it, so what does it matter
to you? Somebody doesn’t like it, what does it matter
to you? It should not matter, that’s all I am saying. It’s within the framework of law, just leave
it. Questioner: So Sadhguru, there is one last
question in this segment or would you like to move to the next segment? We have one social media question. Sadhguru: Whatever, sir. You’re the boss, sir, whatever you say (Laughter). Time 95:16 Questioner: So we will pick up one last question. The theme is co-existence and fear. So clearly you have this strong affinity for
the species of snakes. Now fun fact and you’ve also gone on to
say that… Sadhguru: I have a strong affinity for all
species. People take pictures only when I pick up a
snake. When I pick up a grasshopper nobody does it
(Laughter). Time 95:36 Questioner: You’ve gone on to say that there
is no such creature which is as perceptive as the snake. So fun fact, Shamirpet is a snake infested
area, we have loads of snakes around the campus. Sadhguru: Here? Questioner: Yeah, in Nalsar. So… Sadhguru: It’s not snake… snake infested. This was their homeland and you have invaded
(Cheers). Questioner: Exactly. Participant: That’s something everybody
agrees on. Questioner: That’s something everybody acknowledges,
we have come to their homeland so this is where my question is going. So is there any specific reason why we are
so fearful of these species when they themselves are equally fearful of us? So how do we… I mean how do we train our mind to overcome
this paranoia and the larger question is how do we ensure mutually sustainable habitat
where we do not disturb the human… the balance between the human-animal interaction. Time 96:30 Sadhguru: See there are many… many questions
in this. I don't know what’s the level of interest
in snakes, accordingly I will go. Hello? (Cheers) I’ve been involved with
snakes from a very early age. When I say “early”, I like caught my first
snake probably when I was five - five-and-a-half years of age. What is significant about this is, snake is
one creature, if you do not know this it is stone deaf. You know this? All snakes are stone deaf, they don’t have
hearing mechanism at all. So it literally has ear to the ground, its
entire body is to the ground feeling reverberations. To what extent means let’s say there is
going to be a… an earthquake somewhere in Central Asia. If you just observe a cobra today - let’s
say in the next three days there is going to be something happening - if you observe
a cobra how he behaves, you know there is going to be an earthquake. If you study it sufficiently, you can even
indicate the direction in which it’s going to happen and an approximate distance. Whether it’s going to happen a hundred kilometers
away, 1000 kilometers away or 3000 kilometers away, you can make an approximate guess, like
meteorological science you can observe. Because he has got his entire body to the
ground, even the smallest reverb that he feels he behaves differently. So in that context he is very perceptive and
he is also chemically very perceptive. The only way he knows you is by your chemistry. He doesn’t see you very well but he knows
your chemistry very well. See if you go, don’t try this by yourself. Hmm? Because you’re on pot (Laughs)… Questioner: No, Sir. No, no. Sadhguru: …you may not be quick enough for
them. If you just go and pick up a cobra simply
like this, not by his head or something, just in the middle hold him just pick him up, he
will simply come without any resistance, if there is no any anxiety or anything within
you. You show bit… little bit of anxiety he will
go for you. Because he sees it as danger immediately. So I was telling people, you know… People were saying “How do we know, Sadhguru,
we are really meditative and at ease?” I said “We must do a cobra test for you”
(Laughter). If you just pick it up, if he just comes you’re
at ease. If he reacts that means you’re not at ease. I don’t know one picture came for a moment
in that video where I am holding a king cobra. You saw that one? A king cobra… I think no, not in this, it didn’t come. I think the king cobra was on the ground,
there’s another picture where I’m holding a king cobra half way down and he’s just
like that (Gestures). A king cobra is a snake that if it bites you,
it will just hardly give you twenty to forty minutes. You will die within that. A regular cobra if it bites you - because
you said you have snakes I’m giving you some knowledge - it mainly the cobra venom
affects your cardio vascular system, it gives you anywhere between four to six hours. If you don’t get excited, you may get another
one or two hours extra. If it bites you in the body you will have
four to five hours. If it bites you in the limb you may get six
to eight hours’ time. But if a viper bites you, you have much less
time. If a banded krait bites you, you just have
one-and-a-half to two hours because one venom attack… affects your neurological system,
another venom affects your cardio vascular system. What it is doing to you is your blood gets
thicker so you can’t breathe and everything is tough because the heart will start pumping
in a certain way because the blood gets thicker and thicker. Coagulation happens across the body. Time 100:24 Why I’m saying this to you is, the nature
of the venom gives him that. Venom is not only in his sac. He is producing it in his entire body. Today there’s so much research gone into
the medical sciences, you will see in the next five to ten years’ time almost all
neurological ailments will be treated with cobra venom, snake venom and spider… scorpion
venom and spider venom and some sea snakes which have very special kind of venoms which
could kill you in five - ten minutes. So a lot of research has gone in. Almost for every neurological problem that
people are going through like Parkinson’s and memory losses, all this they are going
to treat with venom. Still it has not been approved but much research
has gone in this direction so it knows your chemistry so well. The beautiful thing about this is there was
a time when I am sitting in some jungles in the Western Ghats - you guys are on the east
but you must come to the Western Ghats, that's a real jungle, okay (Laughs)? It’s a rainforest. If I am sitting and meditating, normally I
don’t know why… now I am wondering why I sat in the afternoons but I always sat in
the afternoons not early mornings. Afternoon I sit for meditation and I’m like
sitting for five, six hours. When I open my eyes, a dozen snakes are sitting
here (Gestures). They’re just drawn to that chemistry. When your chemistry changes they just know
and it comes. This is why Adiyogi is shown with a cobra
on his… you know, around his neck to indicate that he is meditative, he is still within
himself. If you become still within yourself, you pick
up the cobra, simply it will come like that. When I lived in the jungles for… by myself,
no food arrangement nothing. 102:11 I mainly survived by drinking honey. Huge beehives are built at a place where the
bears can’t get. They calculate - the bees have such intelligence,
they calculate - a normal sloth bear weighs how much, approximately about sixty to seventy
kilograms. They build it on a branch where if the bear
comes, even if the branch doesn’t break, the branch will be sufficiently disturbed
for them to go and take care of him. So it is up there and I slowly crawl up. I… My motorcycle petrol tube, I always keep it
extra-long about eighteen inches and I go with this tube, stick the tube and drink honey. Three-and-a-quarter liters to one liter honey
if I drink, for one or two days I am fully fired up with food. Enough calorie in my system but when I’m
drinking this honey, the bees think I am one more big bee, they don’t see me. They are looking at the chemistry. It’s… Little agitation if you sow… show, they
will come for you. In your face if eight - ten bees bite, you
will die of suffocation. In fear if you open your mouth, if they bite
inside, one will do. Just one bee if it bites you inside your mouth,
you will suffocate to death. And above all you will fall down from the
tree, okay (Laughs)? So we can give you a cobra test or we can
send people from our yoga center who will train you how to handle - suppose a snake
came in… inside, how to take him and leave him in his habitat. He’s come here not because he want to listen
to the lecture or the conversation or the air-conditioning, he has not come for anything
that you have come for. By mistake he’s entered. You just have to let him back there. For this, little bit beyond fear you must
be to take it but without training if you take it you could endanger your own life. So if you want we can train fifteen, twenty
people on the campus who can handle this safely (Applause). Time 104:15 Questioner: (Talks aside). So the next question is, I mean so we will
be doing the social media question, there is one social media question, then we open
it up for the audience questions. The social media question, Sadhguru, is that
how do we get the population interested in politics and in governance? Sadhguru: If you can hold it little closer. Questioner: How do we get the population interested
in politics and governance in view of the fact that I mean in most elections there are
less than fifty percent turnouts? Sadhguru: See, this is not about politics. There is not enough concern about the nation
and the people. That concern has not come to a whole lot of
people. Still we are in that mode, our attachments
to our family, our identities with our family and community is so strong, if me and my family
are doing well I don't care a damn what’s happening to the country. Election Day holiday means me and my family
go on a picnic, not for the voting. Who will go and stand in the queue? We will go on a picnic or we will go to the
cinema, we will do something else. Because the identification with the family
is way bigger than the national identity. And because of that they think, “Ah, other
people will vote.” This is their idea. “Other people are going to vote, so what
is there if I don’t go?” There’s a beautiful story that Mark Twain
used to love to say, there was a time when people believed there are people on the moon. Tch… Before Apollo, I’m saying in America people
believed there are people living on the moon. So they got a bright idea, they thought on
one particular given moment, all of us go stand on our rooftops and shout one word together
in one voice, the word that we shout is “who” at them, let’s see what they say. Shall we try this here? Can all of you, I will say one, two, three,
can you just say “who” as loudly as you can so that the whole Hyderabad hears? One, two, three. Participants: Who! Time 106:34 Sadhguru: See you have become wonderful like
this but that day came everybody, stood on the rooftop that time I got a very - what
to say - a very artistic idea, tch. I thought “This is such a rare moment, all
these people are going to say one word and me you know I have a small voice. What is… What is there if I don’t say it, and I just
wanted to hear this extraordinary moment everybody saying ‘Who’.” And that moment came and it passed in total
silence (Laughter). A day may come on Election Day nobody turns
up except those who are herded by political parties with money and whatever goading they
are doing. This is an irresponsible way to exist. See the word for democracy in Tamil language
is Jananayakam. What this means is people are the leaders,
still our people have not understood that we are the leaders of this nation. We are still in a monarchy mindset - we think
elected person is a king or an emperor. So this is lack of education, lack of information,
lack of identity with the nation, a strong sense of “we build this nation” is not
there. Somebody is going to run this nation - this
is still a British hangover. We think somebody else is running the nation,
we don’t understand this is our nation, we have to make it what we want. Right now we bui… we have a nation where
if Donald Trump opens up visas for all Indians, sixty percent of the population will swim
across the oceans and get to America (Few laugh). Time 108:20 This is not right! When everybody wants to go away, we have not
created a nation that people wants (want?) to live in, isn’t it? When everybody wants to come here, that means
we’ve built a great nation (Applause). For this, participating in the fundamental…
participating in the fundamental democratic process is a must for everybody but if you
make it mandatory, it becomes ugly. If you make it mandatory it becomes ugly as
you know even national anthem is ugly right now. Something… You must understand I went to the world cup
football and I went to the English match, (Laughs) I never knew this, you know I never
thought about this. They played their national anthem. National anthem is “God save our queen,
God save our queen, give her long life and save her.” Then I thought oh my god what a beautiful
national anthem we have, the way it’s composed the way the words are written, everything. Them “God save the queen, God save the queen”
in a democratic country? So I’m saying even such simple things we
are debating, we can’t get a nation to get together and even vote even when nation is
in a crisis. When fifty percent of the people not eating
properly is a crisis for me, it is not a normal situation for me. It’s a crisis. When such a crisis is there, whether I should
vote or not…? Now they are making a movie, yesterday he
was telling me - what’s his name, Konda? Participants: Vijay Devarakonda. Time 109:57 Sadhguru: Okay (Laughs). They’re making a movie “Nota”. Okay, we will say “nobody is acceptable
to me”. Well, it all sounds very intellectual but
believe me you don’t build a nation like this. You have to make choices about whatever lousy
choice you have, in that you must make a little better lousy choice. If you want to improve this nation long term
you cannot abstain and say “oh nobody is fit enough”. Well, you stand up, if you see… See, this is a debate going on everywhere
in every teashop, every college this is going on, “oh all politicians are rob… rubbish,
they are thieves they are this.” If we have handed over this nation to the
hands of the thieves and we are sitting back here and we don’t even have the responsibility
of voting, we are the… more bigger thieves than them, isn’t it? Hello? This responsibility has to come, we have not
understood our basic democratic responsibility. When we do not understand that, we will become
unfit for resp… democracy, then something else will take us over. It is very, very important, not just voting,
there are many other instruments through which you can participate in the democratic process. It is very important the student community
participates not on the street, not protest, not burning a bus but participating in the
instruments of democracy. All of you are law students - you must take
a certain part of your life to educate the country and the youth, what are the ways in
which they can participate in the democratic process. This is very, very important to make this
nation (Applause). Time 111:38 Questioner: Thank you for the answer, Sadhguru. Now we open this to audience questions. I think there were lot of people that side
and... Okay, so Javeez has been raising his hand
and standing up since a long period of time, so I will give it to him first. Participants: (Shouting) (Sadhguru laughs) Questioner: Good afternoon, Sadhguru ji. As an elder, as a guest and as an achiever
you have my respect. Now, you’ve been talking about a lot of
undernourishment in India, people who are undernourished, it is these very undernourished
people that we have taken away the food from, their nutrition and secondly it is these minorities
who are scared to, you know, do things out of their own volition, exercise their own
autonomy because of the environment we have created. And you have also talked about, you know,
how America respects its national anthem. There have been several politically motivated
stances taken by a lot of people whereby they decided not to respect the national anthem. Sadhguru: No, no, no, they decided to respect
in a different way. Questioner: True. Sadhguru: There is a difference. Questioner: But it’s also… By not standing up is the point here. I am saying that I mean we have created an
environment of coercion and violence here. And in solidarity if we decide to you know
not do that… it seems like a politically motivated… Sadhguru: Please the microphone ____(Unclear)
No. We didn’t hear the last sentence, if you… Questioner: Yeah. We have created an environment of coercion
and violence in the society. All the people are being forced to do this
against their autonomy. So in solidarity if we decide to not stand
for the national anthem… There are bigger things here. If you… I hope that was not a rhetorical when you
asked us, “is there a solution?” Why should we, you know look for a higher
ideal somewhere, why can’t we just you know live with acceptance and tolerance instead,
you know, respect these people’s opinions? That’s the idea. That’s the solution. Sadhguru: No, no, where does acceptance and
tolerance and national anthem…? I don’t even understand where is the relationship. Questioner: Because many people don’t want
to stand for the national anthem because it’s probably against their beliefs or you know
they… we are failing them as a nation. How will, you know, us appealing to some created
deity of a nation help us in solving these problems? Sadhguru: See, I am… I am hundred percent with you if we are thinking
in a spiritual way. I am not identified with my nationality, I
see all people around the world are involved with me. My work largely today has become much bigger
outside the country than here. So it is not… See you are looking at this in a very simplistic
way or in a rudimentary way, in the sense - you think everybody should be either for
or against. I am not for or against. I am just asking you… Now you talked about various levels of injustice
which has happened in the country, unfortunately it is a fact. The question is, to correct this, should we
stay together or each one of us do our own thing and hope it will get corrected? Time 114:37 Questioner: I am just saying that the staying
together can happen by acceptance and tolerance and not by… Sadhguru: Yes, sir, but that’s not happened,
right? It can happen in theory but has it happened? I will tell you if everybody turns spiritual,
if they experience something beyond their body, beyond their mind and beyond their beliefs
and everything, the whole world will become one. I know that and I am working for that but
do I believe it will happen tomorrow morning? It’ll not happen tomorrow morning. Questioner: I mean… ]
Sadhguru: I must tell you, when I was… How old are you? Questioner: I’m twenty-one. Sadhguru: Hmm? Questioner: I’m twenty-one. Sadhguru: Okay, when I was four years beyond
you, when I was twenty-five something happened to me. I just sat in one place and suddenly I realized
every cell in my body was bursting with ecstasy. I didn’t do anything, simply it was overflowing
with ecstasy. Then I realized if you don’t do anything,
if you don’t mess with anything in the body or in the mind, it just overflows with ecstasy
by itself. When I realized this I actually sat down and
made a plan. This is so simple - on that day the world’s
population was 5.6 billion people - I made a calculation and said in two-and-a-half years’
time I will make the whole world ecstatic because it doesn’t need anything. If you just teach them how not to mess with
themselves, they will all become ecstatic. I thought it is going (Snaps fingers) to happen
on that day. But look at me, thirty-seven years – hey,
you’re not looking at me - thirty-seven years and well I’ve touched over five hundred
million people but that’s not my idea of the world. My idea of the world is 7.6 billion people. Now I know I will die as a failure. Joyfully but as a failure. So I want you to understand the nation is
not built on some egalitarian ideas. People need emotion, without emotion they
won’t come together. They… You cannot put people together without emotion,
whether it’s a family or a nation it’s true. Time 116:43 Questioner: Just one last point I want to
make. You have so much soft power as a celebrity
and you know as a mystic who is well known throughout India and the state at the same
time is the (Sounds like - state well?). So I mean in such a politically charged environment,
us taking a stance I do think that’s problematic to lot of other communities which disagree
with what’s happening. Sadhguru: What stance have I taken? Questioner: In terms of saying that you know
national anthem should be respected (Sadhguru laughs) you know these are things which people
don’t agree with. Sadhguru: Okay, what would you like to respect
about this nation, please tell me no, we’ll do that. Constitution at least? Time 117:22 Questioner: Sure I mean, I’m saying there
are… let’s just respect each other, that’s it. Sadhguru: See, where is each other, we don’t
meet each other, right, every day? See please understand, when we say a nation,
we’re not talking it’s a flag or it’s an anthem. When we say a nation, we are talking it’s
a certain people. So there are certain symbols which represent
these people whom you call as Indians right now. So, why three stripe colors, why can’t we
have seven colors? Yes we can have, why not, if you want to redesign
the flag you can but right now this is it, all right?If you want to change the design,
we can. You want to change the anthem, we can re…
rewrite the anth… anthem if you wish but I am saying without tools of integration,
you don’t make a nation. It is idealistic to say “let’s not have
anything, let’s just live as a global village.” Its fantastic idea but can you make it a reality? Can you execute this idea, that's all I am
asking? I am talking about execution. As an idea, global is fine. If there is no nationality in the world, it’ll
be a fantastic world but are we capable of doing that? Within a state we have to break two states
because we can’t get along for some reason, isn’t it? Moderator: So I think we’ll spread out the
questions in the interest of bringing out diversity of opinion. If the mic could be given to the lady in the
third seat here. Here, can the mic be given to her. Time 118:57 Questioner: Namaskaram, Sadhguru. Sadhguru: Who is this, where are you? Questioner: Namaskaram Sadhguru. Sadhguru, I’m… I’ll take only forty-five seconds, okay. Sadhguru: Question is forty-five seconds? ____(Unclear) Questioner: I won’t disturb anyone because
there are many of us want to question… Moderator: Really sorry. Can the mic be given to the lady in the third
seat? Questioner: Can I ask the question first? Sadhguru: You should ask, you are going about
giving a speech (Laughter). Questioner: Sir, I want to tell you are…
you are just my life, okay. Sadhguru: No, no, this is not a romantic expression,
please ask the question. Questioner: So my question is, sir, you told
in your childhood you experienced the realization of ignorance, some point when I watch your
video I also feel… felt that I don’t know really nothing, nothing means nothing but
after ten minutes or fifteen minutes I get influenced by my mind or something like that
and I lose that realization. I want to live like that, I want to live that… I want to live like the realization that “I
don’t know”, from that realization my intelligence just becomes pure and I can look
at everything… Sadhguru: Mhmm. That’s fine. Time 120:13 See, just intellectually thinking I do not
know is not the point. You must know the pain of not knowing. The pain of not knowing should sear through
you. Only then, your intelligence becomes awake. See, just… just look at this - suppose I
ask you to walk from here to there right now. Lights are on and you will simply walk like
this (Gestures) without noticing anything. Suppose we make this hall pitch dark, you
don’t know what is next step. Will you walk - everything alert, all your
senses, intelligence, awareness, everything super alert simply because you do not know
where the next step is. So, “I do not know” is not an intellectual
conclusion. It is the pain of not knowing. It must really (Laughs) sear through you,
it won’t let you sleep, it won’t let you eat, it will keep you in a certain way. When it keeps you in that way, then you will
see your intelligence stays awake and alert. In sleep and in wakefulness it stays alert. When that happens, whe… See, just now we finished Ganesh Chaturthi. What Ganesh Chaturthi means is… It's all become all about eating now (Laughs). We’ve made it like that because we only
see Ganesha’s big stomach these days and we are inspired by that. Essentially, you know the story of what happened
that, that little boy stopped Shiva and Shiva decided to take off the head of a gana. A gana means – ganas are described this
way that they were talking in a language that nobody understood and they had limbs which
had no bones, like this it’s described in the… certain texts. So, he took off one of their heads or the
chief of the Gana and put it on this boy and made him live with this new head. So he had this new head which is not a human
head. Because of this, he was extraordinarily intelligent. You’ve heard of those stories, where he
asked Vyasa that “If you dictate something to me you should not stop. If you stop, I will give up this stupid project
and go. If you don’t know what you’re talking,
I’m not going to write down. You must simply speak, without a break, only
then I will write down.” 122:31 So, essentially, Ganesha had enor… he’s
Ganesha, not Gajesha, okay? The elephant head came because of Sivakasi
calendars. So he is a Ganapati, and he has an extraordinary
head and an intelligence. Because of this intelligence, he cleared all
obstacles. So he became Vigneshwara. So our interest is that in him that if we
have intelligence like this, we will remove all obstacles in our lives. This is the phenomenal… This is the fundamental and the phenomena
of Ganesha is just this – that if your intelligence is always on, you simply dissolve all obstacles
in your life. So, he is a Vigneshwara. But on that day, most people are use… usually only boosting their belly, not their
brain. What it means is you need a new head. Moderator: So, Angad has already chosen, so
if you could give… and then we’ll move on to to Joe because Joe, I mean some people
there also because he has been raising his hand for some time. Participant: Namaskaram, Sadhguru. Many people say that thoughts create karma
and sometimes our biggest fears keep on recurring in our minds on a daily basis. So, how do we stop that flow of thoughts and
how do we stop those fears from materializing? And also how to cut down on unwanted karma? 143:51 Sadhguru: Whoa! See, this whole karma business has been very
misunderstood and been projected as a fatalistic process. Karma means this - karma means action. Literally translates as action. As you sit here there is physical activity
going on, there is mental activity going on, there is emotional activity going on, there
is energy activity going on. These four dimensions of karma are happening
within you every moment of your life. Both in wakefulness and in sleep, it's happening. Now, if I ask you a question, since today
morning, since you woke up to this moment, how much of these four dimensions of karma
are you conducting consciously? How much do you think? Percentage. Well below one percent, believe me. It's way below one percent. When one percent of your life let us say is
conducted consciously and ninety-nine percent accidently, you must be shit-scared of life,
how else to live, hmm? (Laughs) If you are driving a car and ninety-nine
percent it is accidental the way you are driving, will you be scared or not? So, fear is a consequence of your inability
to manage the nature of your intellect. See, your life’s experience is happening
this way. These are three dimensions. There is something called as memory which
feeds you all the time. Memory is not just what you remember. You don’t remember ten generations ago how
your great-great-grandmother looked, do you? You don’t but her nose is sitting on your
face. Yes or no? You have genetic memory, you have evolutionary
memory, you have karmic memory, articulate and inarticulate levels of memory. The… This entire thing is memory, head to toe. Every cell in the body is memory, isn’t
it? We can take one cell and create the whole
of you and that’s how your parents also did. Just one cell and see, you’ve become like
this. Time 145:57 So, there is enormous amount of memory in
this. This memory rules certain things, but there
is a present experience. Memory is of the past, but the present is
of experience, your ability to experience. If you want to experience anything, you must
be conscious, you must be aware, only then you can experience. The future is an imagination. So memory, experience and imagination, it
is between these three dimensions in which you exist. Memory, you cannot change because it’s already
there. Present, you don’t have to change because
that is also here right now. It's only the imagination which you can change. So what are you fearful about? Something that will happen or you think will
happen, isn’t it? Fear is always about something which does
not exist right now; it's always about what will happen. So you are suffering that which does not exist. If you are suffering that which does not exist,
there are psychiatric terms for that. Hello? Your only comfort is everybody is in the same
state. That’s how it is in a asylum usually. Everybody is in the same condition but right
now people are in this condition – what happened ten years ago they can still suffer,
what may happen day after tomorrow they already suffer. They are suffering things which does (do?) not exist, simply because in your education
system (Laughs) you are studying about everything except how to manage this (Referring to Oneself). If you do not know how to manage this, it
doesn’t matter how much nonsensical information you have gathered, it’ll be not of much
use to your life. You must know how to keep this, how to conduct
this body, how to conduct this mind, how to conduct this emotional structure and the energy
structure. If you do not know anything about this, then
you are an accidental being, you being fearful is good otherwise you may cause enormous harm
to yourself. Time 148:00 Moderator: The next person if I am not wrong
was Joe, so he will be… Sadhguru: You got all… everything set, hmm
(Laughs). Participant (Joe): Hello, Jaggi Vasudev, Sir. My… Before I ask my question, I just have to tell
you that I was very impressed by your e-commerce website which sells yoga merchandise. I think it's… it's really cool. It's better than Flipkart and Amazon and I
hope that you know in a few years’ time it will become the biggest e-commerce company
and it could be… (Overlapping conversation). Sadhguru: No, no, no, no. No, no, no, no. I’ve… we’ve… It's a conscious decision I’ve taken that
our commerce part is done just to take care of a few things. Our commerce will never grow beyond the foundation
part. I clearly made the distinction there is Isha
Foundation and there is Isha Business and we’ve contained the business. In spite of enormous demand, we have contained
the business because... (Overlapping conversation) Participant (Joe): Yeah, yeah. So it's very impressive, Sir. Sadhguru: No, you should not be impressed
by that. You must come and see what I do otherwise
- the real thing! Participant (Joe): Sir, my question… I… I want to tell you that I was also very impressed
by your commitment to rule of law that was evident from the discussions that we have
had. In the same light, I just want to ask you
that in one of the blogs that you have written in your website, you speak about woman’s
entry to Shani Temples and there you say that, “Look, the reason why they shouldn’t be
allowed is because there are planetary forces and it's not good for women to enter these
temples.” In the same vein, I just want to tell you
a little about the law on the point. There are Supreme Court judgments which say
that if you want… if you make laws, which tend to be discriminatory for women, it cannot
be a justification that we are doing it for their benefit. That cannot be the justification for any law
that discriminate against women. This is the law of the land (Sadhguru Laughs)(Laughter/Applause). Sadhguru: I’m… I’m (Overlapping conversation) ____(Unclear)… Participant (Joe): So, in that same vein,
would you say that if that is the law of the land, then you are committed to the ideals
of law then, one, how do you justify that and two, one more question, Sir… Sadhguru: Yes. Let me ____(Unclear)… Participant (Joe): Just a follow up question,
the second part of the question is – in the same article you also mention that we
can control the impact of planetary forces on our life through Inner Engineering. What is Inner Engineering? Is it a program that Isha Foundation hands
out? Sadhguru: What is that? What is Inner Eng…? Participant (Joe): What exactly is Inner Engineering? Is it something that you guys do and like
only… what… only if you guys can tell us what is Inner Engineering only then will
we be able to, you know, face the forces of… planetary forces? What exactly is this concept of Inner Engineering? Sadhguru: No, no. Oh! Okay. Okay, okay, okay, we’ll answer that (Laughs). So right now, why don’t you ask this institution
Nalsar, only if you tell us what is law, we will know what’s the law (Applause/Cheering). What is it? Time 150:47 Participant (Joe): I’m sorry, sir, if you
can clarify that… I didn’t get what you just said. Sadhguru: No, no, you tell your institution
in which you are, only if you trap us here for five years and tell us what is the law,
will we understand what is the law? Don’t we know? Well, because… only because you do not know,
you have come here, right, to learn? Similarly, only because people could not figure
it by themselves… figure it out by themselves, they have come. And only because it’s working for them,
they are coming in millions, okay? You have seven hundred people here, we have
nine million volunteers working across the world (Applause). So it must be working for them. So, do not make these judgments and don’t
think it's very smart to simply make judgments (Sounds like – for/on?) everything. You are a lawyer, you are not a judge, all
right (Applause)? So, let’s come to the question. Let’s come to the question. See, please… please don’t do these things;
it is happening from both segments of people. What you like, boooh, you shout and clap. Please don’t do that. For or against - that’s not the way. The way to do this is, are we interested in
knowing and enhancing… You ask a question as a way to enhance your
knowing, not just to prove that you are smart. If you think you can prove you are smart,
we will do certain… something else to that. Anyway, you asked this question, “I like
the e-commerce!” I know when you started off, I know when Joe
is called, why he is called, we know what it is, I am not that dumb, okay? When I sit here, when I just look at you,
I know what you can ask. I will tell you. Let me tell you this? Hello? Time 152:23 We… When I trained teachers to handle Inner Engineering
programs, now we have transformed the program in a different way, but at one time when it
was very intense, I trained the teachers like this: somebody walks into the hall, they settle
down here today by themselves without being guided. “You just see…” I made a chart of the hall and (Sounds like
–say/said?), “See, if they sit here, if they sit here, if they sit here, this is the
question they will ask! You just be ready. When he raises his question, you know this
is what he will ask!” Ninety-three to ninety-four percent of the
time, it's always ri… like that. People think they are free and they are asking
questions but if they sit in that place, that’s a question they will ask. In any… In any venue, not in any particular venue,
just anywhere, this may… this may not look logical to you, but life happens like that,
anyway. So, now you are… when you start praising
the e-commerce, I know why it is, it's not that you are appreciating it. I’m telling you, Isha Foundation is a foundation
run by the volunteers. Over 4,600 fulltime volunteers who are far
more educated than you are and over nine million part-time volunteers across the world giving
their time and money and energy to make this happen. Why are people doing this? We are not promising them, “We’ll take
you to heaven.” We are not telling you, “You will go and
sit in God’s lap.” Why are they doing it? It must have done wonders to them, otherwise
why will they invest their life in it? So, without knowing anything, don’t make
conclusions. So, are you the only one? Well, you can do it in so many other ways
if you knew how to figure it out, why would I be needed? You do not know how to figure it out so somebody
comes and helps. If somebody comes and helps, “Why are you
helping people (Laughs)?” “You leave them with their problems, they’ll
be good business for a lawyer,” is that what you are talking to me? (Laughs) Please, don’t… don’t feed upon people’s problems. People have problems. If you have solution, it's good. If you don’t have a solution, at least leave
them alone. Time 154:34 Now, about commerce, we have every day… every day in the Yoga Center, the minimum
meal is around 7,000 people per meal. On the weekends, it's 15-20,000. Whoever comes, nobody enquires, “Who are
you? Why are you eating here?” Whoever comes, they are welcome and they are
fed, all right? And we are running twelve schools in rural,
in remotest parts of India which is the same level of education that one would get in a
good urban school and forty percent of the children are first generation going to school. Over 9,000 children are sponsored fully for
their educa… for their entire education. And we have medical activity going on across
Tamil Nadu in a big way. There are many other aspects, which I don’t
want to go on listing. For all this to happen, it needs a certain
financial thing. Now, if I come to you with a begging bowl,
you will say, “Why have you come to me with a begging bowl?” If I earn my own money, you are saying, “Why
are you earning your own money?” What is the problem here? What is the problem? Only thing is I have not come to you as a
client. Is that the only problem you have? I want you to know the people who are working
in the Foundation, most of them - some of them are here, they are doctors, engineers,
accountants – they have quit top, high-paying jobs in their life and they are serving for
free, all right? Thousands of them. And you have something against them! Please (Laughs)! It's not about me because I don’t do all
that work. People are doing all that work, including
the website and the commerce. Time 156:17 Moderator: So, just for the diversity of opinion,
so that… I mean as a moderator I have to ask you… (Background participants requesting answer
on women’s rights). Sadhguru: Oh, women’s rights. Yes. About Shani Shingnapur, see, first of all
you have a misunderstanding that Indian temple is a place of prayer. Indian temple is not a place of prayer, I
want you to know this. Different temples were built in different
ways for specific purposes. Shani Temple is built for occult purposes. Occult means… You know what’s occult? What is the Telugu word for occult? (Responses unclear). What is that? What people call as black magic or whatever,
you know? There are certain occult practices, where
if the occult practices are being done, women in state of pregnancy, in menstrual cycles,
it could seriously impact their life, so they said women should not go. It was also designed that on a certain day,
if the woman in a certain condition, on a full moon day she can go, other days… these
are prescriptions, these are not restrictions. These are prescriptions; these are not discriminations. These are done with a specific intent or now
that you are talking about women’s rights, why don’t you fight for the men’s rights? In our temple, the Bhairavi Temple that we
have, men are not allowed inside the sanctum. Why don’t you stand up (Laughs) and fight
for that? I will tell you why they are not allowed. That temple is only for the women. Men are not allowed. Why? Is it a discrimination? It is not about discrimination; it is a certain
dimension of life. If you go by this crude sense of equality,
you will harm the women immensely. Time 158:11 There are millions of temples open to everybody. Suddenly, why discrimination will come in
one temple? What are you talking about? This is not a culture which discriminated
against women. There are more female deities in this country
than male deities. Every village you go, there is an Amman Temple,
there is a Devi temple and you think it’s discrimination? These are very rudimentary ideas picked up
from the West. You have not seen this culture. You have not understood the profoundness with
which it's run. Unfortunately, because of fifteen, twenty
generations of poverty, we’ve kind of mixed it up and made a mess out of it - that is
a different matter. Moderator: So, before I move on to another
person, and he’ll probably be the last person, before I move on to you, are the people there
done with that particular question or is there any further question on that particular issue? (Response unclear). I mean for diversity opinion I need to choose
somebody from here. So, I mean, unless you don’t have a… unless
you don’t have a further point on the same issue, I’ll proceed. So could somebody please give him the mic? Participant: Namaskaram Sadhguru… (Background - participants requesting follow
up from Joe). Moderator: So, if Joe has a follow up, then
please proceed (Sadhguru laughs, and some moans of dissent in the background). I can’t help it. I mean, if he is not satisfied with the same
issue he should be… Sadhguru: (Laughs) All right. Participant (Joe): Sir, this crude sense of
knowledge that you are talking about is the knowledge that’s coming from the Supreme
Court of the country. Sadhguru: Who is… Who is speaking, hmm? Participant (Joe): Sir, this crude sense of
knowledge that you say is the knowledge that’s coming from the Supreme Court of the country. Sadhguru: Arey! No, no, please understand. No, no, no, please listen to me (Overlapping
conversation) Participant (Joe): You are… Sir, you are still not addressing the point
that who are you and I sitting here to make prescriptions for women and say that this
is harmful for you (Sadhguru laughs) hence don’t do it or this is not harmful and you
shouldn’t do it. Sadhguru: All right! Time 160:02 Participant (Joe): It is not up for you and
I to do it. If… If it’s harmful and they still want to do
it, they are free to do it, right. You say that what people want to do in their
bedroom, it's an individual choice. If women want to enter it, they want to enter
it, who are us to stop? Sadhguru: See, you don’t have… you ask
a question, please… You please ask a question, I’m not that
dumb that a question needs to be explained to me. You ask a question. Participant (Joe): You didn’t answer it
the first time hence… Sadhguru: You asked a question again, let
me answer this, right? The question is – who are you to tell the
ladies whether they should go to this or not? Participant (Joe): No, I’m saying they should
have the option. I’m saying they should have the option… Sadhguru: All right! Moderator: Just to give a similar example,
Sir, alcohol is… Sadhguru: I got it! There are hundreds of temples in the country
where men cannot enter. So, if men say… Participant (Joe): There is a history. There is a history of discrimination that… Time 180:50 Sadhguru: That is a different matter. See, you are mixing up two things. There is unfortunate history of discrimination
on all levels, that’s a different matter, that has to be settled in a different way. But when a specific aspect comes, if you want
to rule out all the subtler aspects of life and just say this is it... Anyway, let me tell you this. This, I am on camera, let me tell you this,
okay. Supreme Court is there to interpret the constitution. It cannot create a new constitution. It doesn’t matter what are the powers of
the court, it cannot create a new constitution. It is only there to interpret the law the
way it is. Is… Am I right? You are all lawyers. Hello? Participant (Joe): That’s debatable. That’s debatable. Sadhguru: When you debate that, there is going
to be lots of problems because every pressure point, you know, people will apply, every
motivated group will push for their own laws. If you create enough ruckus, some law, new
law will happen. This should not happen. It is essentially within the framework of
the constitution everything should happen. In the framework of the constitution, there
are laws where there are public places and there are private temples and private places
of worship - how it should be done there, is left to them. It is for them to decide how it happens. Is it happening simply because of a discrimination
against a gender? If it is so, it must be struck down absolutely. But if there are other aspects to it, if you
think you cannot consider anything else, then it's ridiculous. It becomes ridiculous. It’s like saying, “Don’t I have the
right to enter the Ladies Toilet?” What nonsense is this? Do you need a law? You just need sense that you don’t go there
(Applause). Moderator: Joe, is your question answered? Like or should I… Participant (Joe): No. It's not answered, but that's okay. Sadhguru: (Laughs) It's not answered? Shall we answer Mr. Joe? I’m okay. Participant (Joe): There’s a difference
between a man not allowed to enter a women’s temp… a women’s toilet and you using the
same analogy… Sadhguru: See, I am not saying he is not allowed. A man who is a man will not enter. That’s all I said (Cheering). Participant (Joe): Sir, that’s a really
stupid analogy that you are saying. So we are here discussing the question of
women’s entry to temples and your concept is they are not allowed… Sadhguru: Yes, Sir. Please, Sir. The problem, Sir… you… Mr. Joe, you do not know the culture of this
nation, you’re talking simply activism without knowing the culture of this nation. (Overlapping conversation) Participant (Joe): Because I’m Catholic,
right? Time 183:22 Sadhguru: Because in this country, in this
culture, the idea of discrimination never arose. I want you to understand even before other
countries ever thought of even giving franchise to the woman, this country did not even debate
whether woman should have voting rights or not. It's simply there because in our culture,
we never thought so (Applause). So, the discrimination… Exploitation is there, I want you to understand
there is exploitation, there is no necessary discrimination. Exploitation is not just of the woman, anybody
who is weaker than you, people are exploiting, whether it is a man, woman or child. Why do you think everybody is beating the
children? Just simply because they are small. Not because they have a right to do it. So, anything which is weaker than them, they
are exploiting, not just women. Unfortunately, women have also been… taken
a much amount of beating in terms of exploitation but do not misunderstand exploitation and
discrimination in a fundamental way. Discrimination is a different aspect. Exploitation is a different aspect. Moderator: I think Joe, we can agree to disagree
here and let’s move on (Sadhguru Laughs). There’s one last question (Background interjection____(Unclear)). From the back, from the back, can the mic
be given to him? Can you take and then one last question… Time 184:44 Participant: Yeah, yeah, okay. Yeah. Good afternoon. So, society is celebrating legalization of
homosexuality when it can’t act even accept inter-caste marriages. Sadhguru: What? Participant: Society is celebrating legalization
of homosexuality when it can’t even accept inter-caste marriages and a… Sadhguru: See, the thing is… Participant: Sadhguru, being a science student,
I have a small question. Sadhguru: No, let’s finish this, no. Please. Participant: No, no, there is something (Laughter). Sadhguru: I thought… One person one question, I thought. Time 185:16 Moderator: So, can you please answer it one
by one, (Overlapping conversation) so then there is no confusion. Questioner: To maintain… In this evolution, to maintain the genetic
___(Unclear), the sex or marriage should happen between different groups of people and different
communities. But due to this inter-caste thing which is
in our society, the marriages are happening between the same community, that is the same
caste people which leads to the… Sadhguru: We got the question. Please sit down. We got the question. Questioner: And sir you have done Rally for… Save for Rivers… Sadhguru: No, leave that, leave that, please
____(Unclear)… Questioner: Please do… remove this inter-caste
technique in this society, sir. .
Sadhguru: Okay. So, this is… this is related to Joe’s
question in a way, in the sense - see, we are… we are… we must understand this,
unfortunately… unfortunately most human beings are in this condition, if they find
somebody who are little weaker than them, they will see how to extract something out
of them, how to dominate them, how to do these things. This is coming to you from your childhood,
from your school, that you want to be number one, you want to be number one, parents are
telling you this, everybody is telling you this, so always want to be on top of somebody. So with this if a blacksmith thinks… a goldsmith
thinks a blacksmith is inferior to him, unfortunately, though a blacksmith’s work is more useful
than a goldsmith’s work for a… making of a society. So like this simple professional differences
we’ve made it into horrible discriminations in this country because this is a ancient
culture, lived in the same place for thousands of years, people learnt how to organize their
exploitation against each other. They managed to organize this. So, in this context we must understand unless
human beings evolve to a place that you do not exploit other people weaknesses, discrimination
will not go. You can talk as much as you want, it will
not go! For thousands of years it’s not gone. Time 187:22
One thing about the caste system is, it was basically a professional division which turned
out to be a very discriminatory process over a period of time. Now, largely this professional division is
going away because people come, now we don’t know what caste you are it doesn’t matter,
you're becoming a lawyer, all right? You are not a waqeel, waqeel, waqeel kind
of caste system. You something and you're becoming a lawyer. Somebody can become an engineer. So this transference of knowledge through
family systems are gone, so in that context caste has become irrelevant. Right now the caste still exist much more
strongly in the rural community than in the urban community because that is the only social
security most people have. Something goes wrong with my life, I can only
go back to my caste people. If I go to somebody, they are not going to
help me. So this is unfortunately the social security
system that they have, which is exploited again in so many different ways. Unless we develop a universal social security
system in this country – that every human being has a net to fall back on, caste will
not go. Once the universal sec… social security
comes, you will see caste will naturally die a death. You… You cannot… You don’t even have to fight it, it’ll
just go away. Once this social security is there for the
human being… The reason why it’s gone in educated and
well-to-do people is because they have their own security. They don’t have to go back to their caste. But the poorer people in rural India, for
them the only security is their caste, their clan. You can only go back to your mama or your
somebody else or whatever else. You can’t go to a strange person and ask
for help. So we have to make the society, where every
human being feels secure in the country. Only then you can remove this, otherwise you
cannot remove. People are thinking this is just based on
discrimination. No, discrimination is coming because wherever
somebody is weaker, somebody is exploiting them. This is not caste, this is not gender, wherever,
whoever they can get they will exploit, all right? Time 189:30
Why women and children take the beating is because they are little physically weaker,
that’s the only reason, not because they are against the women or against the children. Simply because we have still not evolved out
of this that we will treat the strong and the weak the same way. This has not into us, this will not come because
you fight something, this has to come by evolving the society, by evolving individual human
beings otherwise it’ll not happen (Applause). Time 190:00
Questioner: Thank you for the answer, sir. So the team has been signa… I mean the team has been signaling to us that
we should have finished this about ten, fifteen minutes ago (Sadhguru Laughs). That being said, there seem to be a lot of
interested people who have been raising their hands up. If you are fine with some more questions,
we can proceed otherwise we can… it’s completely your choice. Sadhguru: If you are okay, I am okay, sir. You are the boss today. Questioner: Sir it’s… it’s your decision,
sir… Sadhguru: No, you are the moderator. Questioner: …because they have been signaling… Sadhguru: If you say answer the questions
I will, if you say “please leave”, I will leave. Moderator: So what we can do is we can three
final questions. Questioner: So from all three sides? Moderator: Can the mike be passed on to the
back rows there? Questioner: Hello. Moderator: Back rows there on the left. Questioner: Yeah, I will pass it on once I’m
done with my question. Sadhguru: Please speak no. Once you have the microphone please ask the
question. Time 190:51
Participant (Srikari): Hello Sadhguru, I’m Srikari and I’m a… I’m running an NGO for under privileged
children right now. And I’ve (Applause) sort of decided for
myself that this is what I want to dedicate my life for, which is serving the society. So I have three questions for you. The first is, being a social entrepreneur
yourself, how do you think I should prepare myself for the rest of my life, to be dedicated
to this cause? And second thing you’ve mentioned a lot
of issues for example malnutrition and there is intolerance and there is so many issues. So, which issue do you think that our generation
should target in order to get the best effect out of it? And thirdly do you have any sort of program
that can help our students who are doing this kind of an effort because we don’t have
the kind of power or exposure to reach the kind of level that you can (Applause)? Sadhguru: If… If any of you have … (Talks Aside - Please
sit down)… If any of you have as she said, if you have
similar intentions that you want to take up a social cause and make it happen, well you
asked me “which should we take it up?” In my focus right now is nourishment, education,
ecology, these are the three things which are crucial for this nation. If these three things happen, all the other
problems will get sorted out by themselves. If you start attacking small, small problems
which are in the country which are plenty - not one or two, they are in hundreds – is
small, small issues which we are picking up, believe me you will not solve the problem,
you will only have the satisfaction of fighting for something. Don’t fight for something, we have enough
fight going on, we’ve seen enough fights, forever. It’s important this country must be well
nourished, fundamental education must happen, and ecologically we must take some quick steps
because these is the… this is the area which we cannot reverse very easily. It may take decades or even centuries sometimes
to turn it back depending upon the kind of damage we cause. Time 193:12
These three dimensions if we take care, all the other issues that you are mentioning,
many other issues, small, small issues, I am not saying they are not important but if
you take of those… take up those causes right now, you will not have a good foundation
but you will build a super structure which will anyway collapse after sometime. So these are three fundamentals. If anybody who has such intentions, if you
want you come to us, free of cost, we will train you for a… one or two or three months. Right now we are… somebody mentioned Rally
for Rivers, we are training hundreds of youth for over six months about the ecological aspect,
how they can take it up in their own area. Full depth and dimension of the problem and
how they should handle it, how they should deal with the governments, how should… they
should deal with the people and the situation on the ground, how to manage this, like this. So for these three aspects - if you are taking
up nourishment or education or ecology, we can train you. Above all, if you are going into social activity,
I’ve seen so many people, particularly ini… Indians who are settled in United States,
after working there for ten, fifteen years when they’ve made a certain amount of money,
quite a few of them get this urge they want to come back to their village and do something. I am telling you almost ninety percent of
them return absolutely frustrated, not able to doing (do?) anything and lost their money, lost their
job, this kind of situation, simply because India is a complex thing to deal with. Time 194:41
One has to be in a certain state of… first thing is to understand, another thing is how
you are. If you are the kind who going to get freaked
and disturbed by (Laughs) everything happening negatively around you, then you should not
get into it because they're going to freak the hell out of you on a daily basis. It doesn’t matter how much work you do,
you will only face abuse and accusations and people will file cases against you, they will
protest against you, all kinds of things. So it’s very important you make yourself
in such a way, what you want in your life, what you want to create, in which way you
want to make a difference, that is more important than everything else. Everyday volunteers who’re working for us,
come up to me and say, “Sadhguru, I can't work with this person. This person is horrible, I can't do this.” So I tell them, “See, in this world, this
is how people are, like this, like that, like that, like that, this is how they are. If you think what you are doing is of such
importance, you work with these people. If you want to work with ideal people, go
to heaven and today!” Yes, you will have to work with all sorts
of people otherwise you can't do this. Time 196:00
Questioner: So… The… Yeah, so the individual in the red t-shirt
is been asking since sometime. Then we’ll move to the right. That’ll be the last one, the one (Sounds
like - who wave?) will be the last one. Questioner: So, Sadhguru we have two questions. Sadhguru: One at a time, I am a simple guy. Questioner: Yeah, so first I’ll ask and
then one more. So firstly (Laughter), you said that from
your years of practice and looking at people, you can just look at somebody and tell their
past, present and future. Now we’d really appreciate it if you could
look at me and tell my past and present (Cheering/Applause), anything (Sadhguru Laughs). Sadhguru: No, I am not an astrologer for you. Questioner: Astrologer would be somebody who
sees the future, I am asking you only to see the past and tell me. Sadhguru: No, no, astrologers also talk about
the past to get the market oriented, all right? I am not in that profession. Time 196:43
Questioner: So sir when you say you are a mystic, what exactly do you mean? When your first answer to his question about
first impressions was, that you can see the past and the present while all of us, most
of us here wouldn’t be able to do the same thing. So then fulfill his claim that you can tell
us about his… about his past or his present but not withstanding that, my question is
different, my question is that you are… you’ve spoken about how you believe that
like we must live in harmony with nature etcetera. You told us that we’ve come here and we’ve
taken over the land, which belong to snakes. Sadhguru: No, that is true everywhere. Questioner: Correct, correct. Taking you to the question that… Moderator: Just… I am sorry to stop you. Sir, in case you are not comfortable answering,
then… Sadhguru: No, no, I am okay with any question,
it’s all right! Questioner (Ankita): A lot of the infrastructure… Sadhguru: Just make the question smaller and
more… Questioner (Ankita): Yeah, thirty seconds. A lot of the infrastructure of…
Sadhguru: Thirty seconds is a long question, five seconds. Questioner (Ankita): Twenty… Twenty seconds, twenty seconds. A lot of the infrastructure of the Isha Foundation
has been built on elephant corridors… Sadhguru: Oh! Really? Questioner(Ankita): …something which both
the National Green Tribunal as well as the High Courts have admitted to without the requisite
permissions. We tell you, this goes against the rule of
law which you stand for, this goes against living in harmony with species… some…
both of which you’ve spoken right here at Nalsar. So if you could clarify regarding that (Applause). Time 197:55
Sadhguru: (Laughs) okay. There is a… There is a fan following for that also. So right now, all of you, those of you who
are clapping and screaming, listen to me, you also ma’am, what’s your name? Hmm? Questioner (Ankita): Ankita. Sadhguru: Sanchita. Participant: Ankita. Sadhguru: Ankita. Okay. Now we’ll do one thing, I don’t know what
authority you have to say it’s a elephant corridor. Listen, listen, listen, let me finish. The state forest departments clearly has submitted
to the High Court that this is not a elephant corridor. The Wildlife Trust of India has given a clear
directive to the NGT that it’s not a elephant corridor, the World Wildlife Fund says that
it’s not a elephant corridor but you say it’s a elephant corridor, I don’t know
what’s your relationship with the elephants (Few laugh), okay? If you do not understand, right now we’ve
put up the map published by the Wildlife Trust of India as to which are the elephant corridors
and which are not. And elephant corridor is not anywhere in hundred
kilometers of where we… where we are. You can go look up the map today. Now, you can open up your cellphone and look
it up now. Time 199:16
So, being in a legal profession you're going to get into, first you must get your facts
right, all right (Applause)? And… well, I know where this is coming from,
there are some activists who are going on publishing this endlessly, you are reading
that social media trash and you're coming to conclusions. Anyway, I want you to know, today if I want,
by tomorrow evening I can file hundred cases against you, all kinds of things. It’s for you to come out of it in the next
twenty years. This is the country you are living in, I want
you to know. So, it doesn’t matter, I will tell you further,
for continuously I have been accused of razing a rainforest. Which is that rainforest, where was it? Please show it to me. There is no such forests, so they’ve kept
quiet now because I asked these questions. Then they said we have occupied forest lands. Well, Forest Department has dispo… you know
senior forest officers from not only Tamil Nadu, from the center came and surveyed the
place and said not a little bit of encroachment has happened but people keep writing the same
thing. Now I am asking you, if you are really interested
in justice, you and your friends who are clapping for everything, I will ask you to come, ten,
fifteen of you come with cameras, I will give you all the maps, sa… survey maps and revenue
maps and forest maps, you walk across. We’ll give you total freedom to do the survey,
as you want, all right? If… If one inch - not one acre - one inch of forest
land is taken, I’ve said this yesterday also, day before yesterday also because (Laughs)
I am surprised the same question is being asked, I will leave the country, you will
not see me again. Is this good enough? Will you do it? Time 201:12
Interviewer: So, we’ll leave one final question, Sadhguru… Sadhguru: No, no, let me finish this, hmm? This is a charge, this is not a question. Now, if one little bit is taken, forest land,
you will never see me again, you will never hear me again, okay? I’ll be gone. Interviewer: Okay. Sadhguru: Hey wait, wait (Few laugh). I will tell you, the kind of activism that
is happening there, why… I’m… I’m sure many of you may be associated with
this, I’m saying this on camera, it can be published, I don’t care what, because
I’ve reached a point where death… death threats are every day from these kind of people. Why all this is happening is, we are at the
tri-junction of the three state borders. There are certain people who want to be active
in the forests in that area and we’ve become a big problem for them. They want us ousted from there, that’s not
going to happen in their lifetime. Because it’s not just for our interest,
I want to make sure such activity doesn’t happen in the forest. And we have fought for this, so we’re getting
all this flack. And for every little thing without knowing
facts, being future lawyers you must have little more facts on your hand. This is not the way to go to a court, you
know? This is not the way to go to a court. You must go with facts. If you are not looking at being a lawyer as
just as a business but as a way of serving people and bringing justice to people, this
is not the way to go. Time 202:38 I will tell you further. You’ve seen the image of Adiyogi? Yes. A whole campaign has been made, they showed
images of some forest and how it was… entire thing was razed to put-up Adiyogi statue. So we put out the Google maps. Before we bought the land, how it was, how
it is today. Today there’s technology, you can’t go
on lying forever. Once we put up the Google maps they became
quiet. So, Google maps are of 2006, they said before
that there was a forest. So I said, “Do one thing, from 1960s, okay,
or before I was born, 1940s, you take the revenue map. I will give you all the survey numbers in
which we are, see what were the crops which are grown, for what taxes people have paid. Revenue records are there, Google maps are
there, you can’t be just lying to yourself endlessly.” And I will tell you how much prejudice is
there, a certain group of people with government officials and the collector comes to visit
the Adiyogi statue. One official, not a low level official, a
mid-level official, says, “They have built a factory shed without permission.” So collector asked, “Where is the factory
shed?” He points at Adiyogi and says, “This is
the factory shed.” He is surprised, “Is this a factory shed
you are saying? This is a monument, they’ve taken permission
for a monument.” “No, no, in my opinion this is a factory
shed. Inside there are metal members and outside
there is a metal skin, so it is a factory shed.” Tell me who will call the image of - if there
is a image of Adiyogi, can you put it up - who will call this a factory shed? Please look it up. Please look it up on the website, you look
at the Adiyogi, it is on the Guinness record for the largest face on the planet. And now somebody describes this as a factory
shed and wants to file a case on us. I want you to know who is this person who
calls Adiyogi a factory shed and what is the… what is the intention and what is the purpose
of such a comment. Who they are and what they are motiv… motivated
by, you must look at it, yes or know? Please look at it. Time 204:51 And I’m telling you, the reason all this
has started is because of the tri-junction. One mistake we have done, if it is a mistake,
I don’t think it’s a mistake personally, but legally it’s a mistake is – they did
not give us a particular officer who was sitting. It’s… it’s all become religious in this
country. A particular officer who was sitting there,
does not give us a “No Objection” certificate even though we fulfill all the legalities,
for four-and-a-half years. Nothing happening – I said, “Go ahead
and build.” We had everything else, only one department
we don’t have “No Objection”. First, why the hell do you have... have an
objection when I’m investing and building infrastructure for this country and for the
people? What’s your problem? But they have a problem. “No Objection” certificate takes four-and-a-half
years, and they don’t give an explanation why they have an objection. There is not a single reply. So I said, “Go ahead and build.” So we built two buildings without that one
“No Objection”, using that they filed multiple cases on us. But now, the government has given us permission
for that also, it’s been regularized, they asked us to pay a penalty, we paid, and we
regularized all that. There’s not one illegal structure there
and we are not on the elephant corridor. Please get your facts checked properly (Applause). Interviewer: Okay, one last question, the
man in the blue shirt… Time 206:17 Sadhguru: And now that you raised this question
- I must finish this - now that you raised this question, and you charged me with this,
if what you have said is not true, please go on the social media and say “I’ve been
talking rubbish without knowing what are the facts (Cheers & Applause).” Questioner: _____ (Inaudible) Sadhguru: It’s not working, give him the… Questioner: You say that leadership and especially
entrepreneurship and enterprises is very much needed for the growth of this nation. So how important is it for the youth or a
young individual to be a leader and having a bigger vision which is beyond just their
own survival but which includes larger well-being and growth of humanity? And if someone takes such responsibility,
how a person having such a vision, make himself capable and competent and clear? Thank you. Time 207:18 Sadhguru: See (Laughs), in the development
of the nation, today we have reached a point in the world where it is not the military
prowess of a country, nor is it the political circus that goes on in a country, nor it is
the activism and stuff that goes on in the country which decides the well-being of a
nation. It is the success of the businesses which
will determine the well-being of a nation - because we have decided to go market economy. Is that the best way to do things? I personally may not think so but that’s
not the point, we’ve decided to go that way, we have to make it a success, that’s
all there is left to us. Every day we can’t be rethinking which system
to take on. We have to make it a success because we have
chosen to be there. Now for me to become a business leader or
a social leader, what is it that I have to equip myself with? Well, that now famous “Inner Engineering”,
that’s the first thing you must do because if you are not equipped to handle various
uncertenicy… uncertainties in life, if outside situations are going to determine what happens
within you, then you should not enter into that kind of ventures because life will freak
the hell out of you. You must choose a safe job. If you are the kind who is going to be impacted
by what’s happening around you, then it is going to be very difficult for you to handle
those kind of situations. So, first thing in everybody’s life no matter
what you’re planning to do, in everybody’s life first thing is to enhance this life (Referring
to oneself), then to act in the world. If you act in the world before you enhance
this life, you will see if you succeed you will suffer, if you fail you will suffer. Very important that you bring yourself to
a state that your peacefulness, your joyfulness, the pleasantness of who you are is not determined
by somebody else or something else. If you establish this one thing, you are equipped
for life. Thank you very much (Applause). Questioner: ___ (Inaudible) Interviewer: We’re done. We’re exceeded by… Questioner: It’s just the continuation of
this question, it’s not complete, the answer. Like if you have done the… you said first
step is Inner Engineering if you have done it, I have… Like I’m practicing since three years, so
what is the second step? What is the exposure, what is the right kind
of education and environment that is needed? First step I’ve heard many times, what is
the second step I want to equip myself with that? Sadhguru: That’s a very personal question,
we will deal with this personally. Thank you (Laughs). Questioner: Okay. Thank you. Interviewer: Thank you, sir. So, thank you Sadhguru for answering all questions. I think we exceeded the limit by around at
least 1.5 hours. Sadhguru: Oh! Interviewer: So, thank you for patiently answering
all questions from all different people. And… Sadhguru: Quite explosively, hmm, not patiently! Quite explosively, not patiently. Time 210:22 Interviewer: For patiently listening and explosively
answering the questions (Laughter). So… I hope the people in the audience experienced
an insightful lecture or an insightful conversation, and for individuals who could not otherwise
ask, I hope... I think you have a social media page? Sadhguru: Yes. Interviewer: So, I mean, you could send it
there but due to limitations of time, we can’t have… we can’t ask any more questions. But I mean, what we did try was to... was
that individuals from different... different groups and backgrounds could ask questions. So that was our purpose. So I think we are done so thank… thank you
a lot Sadhguru. Sadhguru: Thank you very much.
