Ragdoll | The Nine Club With Chris Roberts - Episode 182

well we are back huh we're back at the 9 Club everybody today we got a special special special guest Anthony skele Miri aka rag doll rag doll how you doing good bro how you doing now so weird thank you so much for coming bro this is amazing this is how did we even track you down bro I got tagged in a lot of pose yeah yeah it's sad people want to see you on the show and you're gonna tag you all the time that's awesome the listeners yeah helping out things yeah it's yeah it's everyone else like you should do the show you should do the show and I think I reached out to yeah I gave me Kelley's number yeah you and Kelly are in contact for a little bit you know but you're in Arizona now you're not even in Vegas you're which part of Arizona Tucson it's this war started skateboarding so I have a lot of like nostalgia out there and you're from Vegas though yeah born and raised in Vegas and you move to Arizona and that when I was young my mom had a thrift store that she ran in Arizona so I'd split my time between my mom and my dad okay so when I went out to Arizona now I'm like backtracking to like five years old okay yeah I haven't further yeah I mean I was born in Vegas okay don't remember much for the first four years remember last week yeah you know the moment uh for one he's like yeah yeah yeah so I live in Tucson now okay and but that's where I first started skateboarding so my mom owned a thrift store out there and got like got my first skateboard out there it wasn't where I started it's like just were saw skateboarding and seen people doing stuff so yeah just made the journey back okay it's so hard to piece that you're gonna make this piece together no this is we bounce all over the place that's fine which is fine I don't know so let's talk about what you're doing now so looking at my phone watching you guys do this now I can see everything nobody's wearing pants they don't know people don't know I'm actually really disgusted sitting next to Raj with no pants legs are wide open trust me after a whole day of skating too it's it's horrible deal with that image so growing up in Vegas and Arizona you're going back and forth back and forth everybody got a new new use of Vegas guy yeah cuz I was born and raised out there and I started to go to Arizona probably when I was in Lake let's say like fourth grade or something okay and oh man like thinking back that far is just so hard to like kind of remember totally it was I always would play soccer and I'd go visit my mom in like the summertime in in Arizona and then come back and go to school and then feel like the hottest pile of the heat oh you do do I love the I'd rather sweat and shiver any day okay yeah you got a cold guy either but the extreme heat doesn't really it's so much easier to cool off than it is to warm up like if you're really hot you just splash cold water on you're like all right I'm good but when it's cold you're like oh I got a [ __ ] put on a jacket to go take out the trash yes anything do you got to like prepare for it I wear a beanie for the first time in my life yesterday it was freezing in California yeah no it was freezing my hat blew off when I was riding over here I had blue off he was so windy and I had to I grabbed a beanie our new era beanies and I put it on and I've been wearing it ever since I shouldn't warning tonight that's the first time your hats ever flew off your head were you like I gotta wear a beanie now it's cold I needed something it's so cold outside I had long hair I shaved it off I don't wear a beanie yes weathers making crazy dude I don't even know where I am right now yeah man oh yeah so the heat it's interesting yeah you're just adapted desert right yeah like oh and a lot of people from Vegas that it's the same way it's just you did the cold is just brutal yeah so and then going back from and just like living in Vegas - going into Arizona you don't know like what cold is you're just like oh it's the same weather so it's hot hot but in the winters it's freezing I was gonna say that night in the winners it's it's disgusting like it's hard too hard to deal with right you're from like somewhere that snows and [ __ ] I'm complaining it's a penetrating cold it goes right through you here see yeah like it's just like that desert bone-chilling yeah it's not yeah but yeah did that okay and just back and forth back and forth and yeah that's my relationship with twosome but that's like where that's where you got your I think it's worth I don't because I got into skating because of my sister she would like date skateboarders and I got all my music influence from her so she was like into some cool stuff oh oh how much older was she she is six years I have like 11 sisters yeah 11 there's 12 of you yeah because my dad Italian man okay he wanted a boy finally 11 tries later the last baby I am yeah it's it's crazy so that's where I'm not afraid to wear leopard jacket right you know I got a lot of influence it's surrounded by winner yeah Wow so yeah so my my that sister which is the second oldest because it's it's one yeah so she was probably five years seven years older than me okay so yeah she would always like date skateboarders I'd see like skateboarders around the house or just you know having a sister [ __ ] yeah it was either her board or her boyfriends board or something but I saw is like on the wall and I totally remembered I just remember like touching it like what like intrigued by this yeah yeah this before movies like came out like with it was before like Ninja Turtles a few years before that so it's like like it looks kind of cool and I remember the graphic everything like vivid it was a atm click the Patty Hearst board oh wow yeah I don't know why because I was so like infatuated with that just like studied it and was just like look I didn't know like it rolled or what I thought it was just on the door sure so I got into like just being infatuated with like looking at it and should we just jump right into like do I remember that board and I told my mom was like oh cuz she I used to hear her say skate like oh yeah so and so it's gonna go skate or I'm gonna I heard the word skate skate and I was like mom I want to skate and she's like okay whatever I kept saying it and I think it might have been a birthday it might have just been like I was being a good boy and she oh he wants to skate I'm gonna go by him escape whatever she went somewhere came back and she got me a skateboard rollerblades [Laughter] and yeah so she came back and I was letting she's like yeah I got you this she wanted to learn how to skate and I like was a box and I was like what the and I opened it and this is like when rollerblades weren't even like a bit and I was like what what is this like I did not know like even what a rollerblade was and I was like looking at him and I was like I didn't want to be like a dick to her and I was like oh thanks mom right I'll try it out later like just I'm gonna go play soccer first I'm gonna go kick around with my friends out front and I was like what the [ __ ] are those like none of my friends had it like no one had a skateboard or rollerblades to mention so I get back and I put it off so you're gonna go try it I was like no I'll go tomorrow oh I was like puzzle dude I was like what are these you can't Google anything back then right my sister I don't I don't even think she was like she was not at home for me to ask like what are these I asked mom for this well then obviously shoes right you could put them on and you that's where it gets tricky dude okay like cuz I had to be summer vacation so my mom was at work and I was like all right I'm gonna trip my mom god I'm gonna try them I was like I did not I was like they don't work I was just like what they don't work okay and then ended up talking to my mom she's like did you try your skate out and she just kept we called everything skate like I didn't know was a skateboard I was just like skate oh no the skate like I haven't tried me I'm like I think they're broken and she's like what do you mean I was like well maybe you got a size too small or something I was like that they're not working and mean being a kid not explaining it right they didn't fit so she's like okay we'll go get another size whatever I had one of those idiot moments where I ended up like maybe taking a shower so taking my shoes off and then it clicked I was like I have to take my shoes off to put my foot in the roller - yeah they don't fit they don't fit and I'm like they're broke like it's all durian I was probably like eight okay eight or nine look I couldn't Google how to put on a roller blade like so and I was just confuse I was like oh okay I'm gonna give it a shot like it could be fun whatever it's a toy yeah exactly the edge yeah yeah all right cool I guess I just put it on and I go so I made a whole process of it I went out to the sidewalk and there's like grass on both sides it was like a walkway so I sat down in the grass and is like putting them on you got like strap them and tie I'm like what the [ __ ] am I getting myself into and I was like okay and I'm standing in the grass and I'm like alright so I gotta get obviously to like the roll so I stepped over like that and I just like stood there and I was like this isn't like I thought it was just supposed to go and I didn't realize you had like something to happen nothing happening I was like all right and I was like try to do a movement and I was like all right I'm gonna go forward oh my like I went like you're supposed to go forward but the there's wheels on the back because there's blades yeah I try to go forward and I went that's lured out and completely like windmill and slap around it all makes sense Wow but yeah that happened and I was over over it I was [ __ ] over it and I was like livid and then it turned into me being a brat like like I I didn't get that hurt it was just like more shocking like oh my god like yeah so I don't know how long it was later but I was like I don't like these things like I don't [ __ ] like it and she's like you said you wanted to skate and I was like and then my sister's like that's a skateboard like what and I was like so I think she went back to the shop and returned him because there was only one slam on these rollerblades right like I went from the grass to my back and put him back in the box so I think she returned him and I didn't get a board like right away after that I don't know what happened maybe I was just like over the whole thing because I was super into soccer and I was like I can get like that [ __ ] up like I wouldn't be able to play play on the team so a little bit longer down the line I started asking my sister cuz I was getting like closer to one of my sisters and she would teach me about music and stuff like I was getting into like Jane's Addiction she was teaching me like all this like gritty music right I was like super into it and I was like associate that with skateboarding and I was like well this musics so good and all these people that listen to our skateboarding I slowly kind of like all right I want a skateboard now so when it came time to get a skateboard my mom took me to a skate shop in Arizona okay Tucson it was called itchy foot Mo's fantastic and I guess they sold rollerblades too so I don't cuz that's where she returned it so I went to itchy foot Mo's with her and I was like alright cool they still own the rights to that name yeah there's like one one shop in Arizona now it's the guys I grew up skating we'll get to that sure yeah but it's back to itchy foot monkeys yeah I took em oh oh you should have seen it was magnificent I was it like first time being in a skate shop itchy foot Mo's was the coolest name like can I get a t-shirt what what let's do this start it out I want to skate board board and I learned my lesson let ya I don't ask for skates anymore leaving it you've put with another [ __ ] foot blades weights so what more did you get did you get a I remember it I don't remember the trucks of the wheels okay that was the graphic kid okay it was a new deal and it [ __ ] dude so we're talking about this cuz now you're just like brought up rag doll with the roller blade yeah dude alright the first board it was a new deal slick and it had Bert and Ernie dolls stuffed animals on the bottom with like toys and stuff it's a firm board are you sure no this is a rainbow refirm board was it I think so I had a Burton Arnie it was a new deal having Bert and Ernie you know there were stuffed animals and it was like Lego it was toys a bunch of donor sperm having a sleep bottom board with a bunch of stuffed animals on it but I think they're all right I know Lance light I think Ernie what year was this this is like [ __ ] if I was like I was born in 80 yeah this is I'm 21 yesterday 21 her life celebrating what is that that's uh that had been 90 yeah 91 91 92 Nokes I would have been I would have been 11 Oh 12 so this had been like 94 the firm wasn't around you don't know you don't know who's pro court it was I don't know barrel i I just went from roller blades to this boy I didn't know there was even a pro skateboarder I didn't know people did it for a you know what I mean so just like it was Bert and Ernie's pro board it was a Burton any board so yeah yeah play Jay now I'm like stuck I could interpret I came like thinking I knew a lot of stuff but when you bring it up you're like I don't know I don't remember nothing leave it in the car will I'm going with the new do okay I believe he's I was proud of knowing my first board yeah yeah Bert and Ernie with a bunch of toys made my memories not so good and I'm just making up like the battle okay if anything you'll find out the right answer yeah that's par so Bert and Ernie okay with a bunch of toys probably like what 45 millimeter wheelchairs and yeah and I don't know what the the trucks were I remember they're like skinny mmm they weren't like an independent what interests Roy maybe maybe ventures because there was probably only what to troll women weren't gold maybe I think they were going this going was pretty like big back then but now they're worth it I feel like they were thinner in yeah yeah I don't think at that age either you're worried about your trucks mules right you're just with the graphic graphic yeah so I remember that burden or any slick board and New Deal yes I'm sticking with that oh I hope I'm right maybe we will find out yeah so yeah was that bored and I remember getting it and then like being excited having it and then having that rollerblade moment where I'm like okay now I gotta like learn how to do this and I was just like didn't know no reference my sister might have been like yeah you stand on it and I just I didn't know what to do I was like kind of just stepping on it whatever and it kind of it had that time oment where I'm like I don't like it it just yeah it looks really cool like on my bedroom next to like my posters like whoever I have Michael Jordan I was gonna say Michael Jordan yeah no I think it's Pele I was super into soccer yeah okay so but it looked cool against the wall and I had the graphic like facing so it was like a piece of art it's like I was already hanging up you're a poser you were that starts somewhere did you try to pick it back up then no were you just like you I think because I was in Tucson at the time and I don't know if I had left it there and went back to Vegas because I had to go back to school and that's when all my sports was like around school like so I'd go to soccer heavy on soccer played for like nine years oh really good like I'm not you won't hear me saying I'm good at a lot of soccer was you oh you tricked me something yeah I got lucky but something you can be like yeah I'm really good at like it's hard to say that out loud but what position and forward or left-wing okay so I was like in the can and sometimes like the like uh it's called I don't remember the lingo now back where you get to play the whole field and you can be the goalie if you want it to at some point I don't know they just played the whole field it was just like the kid with a DD put them in that yeah parents are like please play him out please so I remember like just hailed yeah like a midfielder but I always remembered like left or right wing I was like all right cool I'm in the cut like I'm gonna be able I get to score a goal if like need be that's what I want to do yeah almost core goal it's gone dude yeah yeah I know should we play star tallies get a lead crush it I know but it's a lot of it's just it's a lot of room he's already exhausted no I know I gotta lied I'm like that's a lot we can give you a whistle yeah you be the judge of what anyway where were we were uh oh the Herbert nunu Bernie bored New Deal okay yeah so I remember like leaving my board behind and then just being like super into soccer going to soccer practice and games and stuff and for some I think my mom came out cuz we had like a championship game or something we were like playing for like the number one Vegas Spa oh wow so she came out and she I think she ended up bringing it with her like oh he left this it was like [ __ ] whatever okay it's gonna cool my room or move it into dad's house so soccer ended like the season ended I don't know if we won the champion will just say I did okay yeah I scored the winning goal yeah so I think she brought it back from Arizona and I had it the soccer season was over so summertime like picking it up more like okay and then I think there were some kids in the neighborhood that I might have saw doing it but it wasn't like I'm gonna learn how to skate just start it like learning how to like ride doing the neat things on my boat on the trip just having fun with it sure and then just start it to you know when you start falling like you think about when you're like damn that was really fun today yeah I want to do that tomorrow that kept going and steamrolling steamroll and then probably like four months of that because we had soccer leagues were just like two months off go back on so soccer started back up and I was still skating and and I was after the point where I knew how to skate so sometimes at the the park it was close enough where I could skate to practice mm-hmm and don't skate to practice and cleats idiot when I was a kid dude trying to get your shoe into yeah you made a plastic yeah and it was just slippery but I got I got there so yeah we've got like some practice no more clean cleats are just worn off I just gated and worse yeah so we so when was a time where you literally gave up soccer Oh on a disc eight that that seems like a huge turning point yeah that's when I knew I was like oh my god I like when I found something because soccer was like I loved it and when I found something that I was like oh my god I think I like this more than that is when I learned how to change my shoes out to skate to practice and then I just remember skating to practice and I just kept going I was like oh you I'm not gonna go I'm a ditch I'm ditching the [ __ ] and then from the day I ditched is when it clicked I was like alright I'm just and I felt like I was doing something bad I was like this feels good I just let my whole team down yeah I made they were there's nobody to run up and down the field I was like look at all these [ __ ] running around like someone's telling something to do I'm over here doing whatever I want like Wow no coach nothing it was just like it felt bad but in that good way like yeah rebellion and that that's such a corny word but just like maybe yeah rebellion it was freeing right cuz it was like oh my god I gotta learn this and it's not someone telling me how it like a coach like if you want to learn how to spin the ball they like it was just like you figure it out on your own yeah find a couple people that can teach you as well as when as you know what they're learning but for the couple people to come around like I was skating pride by myself the first year Wow so anything that I was doing like it was just you were making it making it up I was inventing tricks I was doing it all yeah is there any tricks that you did that like we're actually tricks that you look back on I feel like a shove it or something is something that that kind of is like a instinct you kind of are like kind of trying to spin the board I know exactly it's work yep yep it was the jump jump flip where you put it on your toes and you jump over is that weird yes every skaters first trick that's it yeah it's just like a fake kickflip but yeah that was it oh wow dude what are they like a gorilla flip or something is that what they call it roly-poly like where you're standing on your board and you try and make it do oh yeah basically what you're using your heels change is using your hands no like you're standing on your board and it was instead of ollying you just trench up I was see I was by myself doing some weird [ __ ] and rodney mullen [ __ ] all right without ollieing trying to like just push it forward yeah so I was just making [ __ ] up and but I was really psyched to be able to like roll like roll like just go down the street and then like at that age you're like going to 7-eleven getting snacks and [ __ ] and I was like whoa it's like a vehicle to so I retired my bike and then I was like dude I'm hooked on yeah this skateboard is where it's at wait so did you go back to itchy foot Mo's to find a to find buddies to skate with I feel like that's where I would think to go right the skate shop well because I was itchy itchy foot no mm no I don't even know if there was a Momo it's a front dude I'm not sure like there's always a characteristic alert we need to look into this a little more itchy it's like what I know like the owner like what's a good name for this place yeah it's GG or there's a shoe store before and they're just like they just keep the name just like orthopedic like insole company like how much is that sign gonna cost so you didn't go back to Chi foots you had you find a posse how to find a group to skate with back to Tucson oh so I get back there and that's when I went downtown Tucson and I must have been like give it like this has been since I like got the board and then expanded it was like a three years over that time so I was like 13 or 14 back in there that back in the Tucson and I remember like I took the bus downtown cuz two suns small enough where you take one bus and it'll take you down to the downtown Center okay she's like went downtown and just started skating around and I went into this [ __ ] opening like this hallway and then it opened up it was this big [ __ ] Plaza and there was like hundreds of skateboarders there may have been like 20 skateboarders but to me see 20 people I was like there's so many of them and it's called the blocks it's like the the Arizona Embarcadero okay and it's still it's where uh Reynolds does like the no slide on the bench I think kickflips the 16 yeah it's a it's like a federal building is it and there he did the backside flip and the camera went off right yeah Ya Ya Allah Ya Ya Allah and then there's there's other like so it just reminds me of Embarcadero knowing now but back then it was just it was the blocks and it was like where everyone met it was like dudes from my age to like the really good like I thought they were like 40 or 50 years old they were probably 20 21 everyone's skating and I remember like the first day I was like oh [ __ ] and I just like sat on my board no just like taking it all in yeah I was like taking it all in took the bus back home like told my mom because she didn't I don't think she knew what I did that day yeah they're so excited I was like I went downtown and she's like you did what and I was Shh I got on the wrong bus and because I could take the bus from our house - she ran a thrift shop she's like the Kohinoor but thrift shop okay so I remember like taking the bus to her work so I just blame I was like I took the wrong bus and I ended up downtown and she's like why don't you come home right away or whatever and I was like the I was waiting for another bus to come and I just I just rolled around what do you tell her about the mesquite Mecca yeah I didn't she's like did you really had fun down there and I was like yeah and this is back when like you could let your kids kind of run the streets you know yeah yeah she's like so she wasn't mad that night and then the next day I woke up and I was like can I go back and she's like are you gonna go there and that's where you're gonna be was like yes I promise so kept taking the bus down there bus down there and then it took me like probably three days to like you just see people skating everywhere and you don't wanna get out of their way yeah you don't have that etiquette yeah Intimidator yeah and I'm just like dude there's so much going on but then I like met up with I don't know I don't know the age yeah cuz I want to say I met the people that I still hang out with today in Arizona Oh a guy named Kenzo and Zen and I think they were the first ones I've met and this other guy named Lucas and we're all about the same age I may have been like a year older but we were all just kind of new to it and I'm just just sporadic like trying like falling off stuff like just doing it and then yeah I just kept going back to the blocks everyday everyday everyday seeing the same people every day every day every day and then it came time to move back to Vegas so then I was like [ __ ] all right I didn't think anyone skated in Vegas cuz all I did was go to that like parking lot where I could see soccer practice going on so I was like all right I'm gonna venture out now so I used to go this place called wet and wild strip exactly it sounds like it when you say that yeah I used to go to Wow water park water park yeah so my dad I'd have season passes and he would like take me to the water part oh and I was right on the strip and I remember convinced my dad like or telling him like there's something in the water park were we're allowed to have skateboards or something yeah little kid lies idiot like just trying to get it'll make sense in a second so he drops me off in the front I'm like okay I'm gonna go in he drives off I'm on the strip oh I have a new skateboard and I'm gonna go [ __ ] venture off so I just started skating down the strip and didn't really like thinking about it now it's kind of crazy just being a kid like I'm gonna go look for skateboarders and their spots and I actually saw probably like one or two people skating but it wasn't it was just they they were whipping by like it's on the strip they were probably like tourists or something and I was like okay there are people that skate it out here so he picks me up that day whether I did go to the water park it's nap time or in the bushes and went on the slide so yeah he picks me up that day and I was like all right they're out there so I just was like all right I'll go to a schoolyard or just I skated around the neighborhood and then I went cuz you know and like when you grow up you have like your Street that you grow up on and then across the street is like it just seems like another world right I went into the other world and that's where I like saw my friend Rance and Jeremy there's like all these kids like and I was like holy [ __ ] dude like alright let's skate and we used to skate in front of us dude Steve's house and he would wax the curve and no but it wasn't even wax he was using like cuz he was a little bit I think he was a little bit older and like knew more about skateboarding that's why everyone went to his house because he had videos and stuff and we thought he was cool cuz he was using like margarine to use really butter on their glass literal and we're like he's like it makes it slide better like all right cool so we're playing butter all day Wow their work I don't know yeah help it's oil and yeah but the next like we'd go back over there and there be ants Oh like area code so we had like wax of ants on top of this butter so yeah but this is where I met like all all my friends was Vinny and Matt volbeat like all these guys in Vegas and we just started skating started skating yeah and this is like when I was in eighth grade and I was going or now at 7 8 9 I don't know somewhere around there yeah but I remember always ditching school like 7th like 7th grade in the middle of it I just stopped going I was just like [ __ ] I know a ditch everyday thinking and then it caught up the papers would go home and where have you been like I was with my dad and like he thought I was doing like getting in trouble but I was just skating skating around just being wandering around just I'm not in school like I'd rather be doing this my question is you're meeting these homies now in Vegas and now you're still having to go back to Tucson you're Arizona yeah going back and forth back and forth was there a point where you just stayed in Vegas or was it cuz as a kid it must suck to go back and forth no I got a release homies to go to these homies and it was actually almost the best-case-scenario us I got to switch it up because you're skating with these dudes and then you're like oh my it's like a vacation when your kid is vacant you just have to go to school which I was ditching your whatever and then you got summer vacation so I was like oh I get to spend it with these homies it was never like I'm leaving them behind I was like I'll be back you'll be back yeah it's like all right I'll see you in they new is like I'll see you which group did you like better Tucson guys better when I was in Tucson I liked the Vegas guys better when I was in Vegas Aradia perfect great answer but yeah so it was just back and forth back and forth and and like I said skateboard like I've learnt like my cha I still stay and come I just went to one of my best friend's wedding that I started Jeremy like amazing yeah yeah it was all just from skating by soccer practice didn't know any of these friends of yours that you grew up skating with obviously you mentioned Vinnie Vinnie Vegas he made it into the professional ranks and I think but was there any of your other homies that made when you guys were kind of going off into this amateur sponsored world anyway any other homies follow or yeah Matt ball shot netball Shaunie Shaunie okay and that was our crew like and we all grew up together likes it and we like we were such skate rats like the point when we're like were [ __ ] skateboarders like when were filming videos and stuff we film the video called legacy brutality and I wish we some of the stuff that we did like I'll be in Vegas and drive-by I was like I can't believe Vinnie did that or I can't believe I did that like it was insane like we're full-on like Oh welcome to hell just watching what would help zero videos like we loved like everyone that we skated with was like diehard sure this is like what we do so the guys that may I think Vinnie was the first one to make it okay you know hot to get out swinging it was a straight to a cover back on you 500 back 180 500 at that green lagoon a Raleigh - yep yep yeah what yeah just was like shooting it ran to the car to say goodbye someone ran back I remember Vinnie coming home with that footage or were like who [ __ ] film at like oh we're like dude man he's the best he was going in he was going in and you were kind of right behind ya and like I said like a lot of like we should joke that Vinnie like bored slit his way onto the team cuz like he instantly got the cover shoot yeah if I translated like ports on that one hubba yeah Musca the one Musca lips lid oh yeah I now remember it was like a it was like a fight for that like between him like there was like some weird beat skateboarders used to beef all the time back in the day boys don't do yeah yeah but it's a little bit more beefy over what though maybe not beefing but yeah that's what it was but they were like mad at each other I don't remember who the other and Vinnie in Moscow no no Vinnie and someone else that was supposed to get the cover just like I'm going was a Joey Tori whereas I think it might have been oh wow so it was just like and it was like I gotta go do this to get that cover but God that he got the cover but this is before before that like Vinnie mate he was getting shoes from like audio and then he was getting boards from Toy Machine and he was getting flowed from Toy Machine and I remember going to Huntington Beach we drove out there and we went to Ed Templeton's house because he was getting flowed and I was like this is not real this is [ __ ] because this is your big skate fan oh my god yeah and now I'm just like this and this is when II D like when you're young enough when you ed was like the guy that was naked that's you naked guy I'm like I'm not [ __ ] getting naked dude and Vinnie Vinnie was such a like he like love torturing people and he's like dude well I don't he's probably it it's only gonna be for a second if he does like you know he's like you might just like at ours and I was like I'm not [ __ ] getting naked in front and I was just just toying with you yeah and we ended up going we were two mothers mark it don't remember that like that was like anyone that was yeah we're mothers and I like ed sat in the backseat for some reason mmm and you just like talking and I was like I was like weird I'm like all right this dude's [ __ ] it's the coolest weird I'm like why is this guy's sitting in the back we picked him up from his house like he's the elder he should like probably we're going around you offer him shock yeah I immediately went to the bat we're gonna sit in the back seat and then I was like we're sitting in the back seat to get I was like [ __ ] dude like full-on weird moment like a beaut mate was anyone sitting in the front seat no not at the time cuz I would love that just yeah this rag doll and into the back seat don't in the fur no one in the because when when we picked him up like we'd naturally go to the car and whoever like maybe he thought I was getting shotgun I thought here and we both like kind of got in the back and I was like what this doesn't Finny set me up to something like that when you're like a young kid and in those situations arise and you're making the biggest deal in your head about where somebody's sitting in a car yeah and Ed's probably just doesn't get there he's like you guys pick me up yeah whatever in my mind at that moment I was like this is so he's sitting in the back seat it's such a big deal right you're like playing in it like oh my god it was almost like I wanted him to sit in the front seat so I can just kind of like look at him and like see him talk and interact like because I've only seen them in videos in like magazines and heard stories and like but at this time - you know Vinnie's coming up were you skating he said he was a skating with Musca and Jeff Rowley was he will use meeting any of these dudes you know that was the thing along Vinnie he was coming up but he knew I think he knew that I don't know if I don't want to see it like sound arrogant like I have a person out like I'm I'll like anybody like I'm not shy or whatever and Vinnie's kind of like he's kind of timid and so he made all these connections and I remember him being friends with Rowley and Sumner and Ed okay and he kind of didn't want any of us to be around take a shine I would I was thinking like yeah I can see that yeah he's like yeah he's right or not even kooky I don't think he wanted I think he wanted to make it before anyone else did yeah he didn't wanna share the spotlight yeah there may be two sides to that yeah I don't know Vinnie but I don't know if any I know yeah I'm saying sometimes back in the day you don't you like to brush so you don't want to cook it you don't want to bring all your friends and all these guys are like [ __ ] guys bring it all these buddies now and like that is true I never really thought about it that way but me knowing Vinnie personally like just how he was that young and you're it's all happening for you but I don't think I got a dull you're like I need this for myself but I think right like we were driving at the time so we had to be like 16 we weren't I guess yeah when you are that yeah you're pretty stupid when you're that young totally because I know sixteen year olds in my [ __ ] I mean so yeah he knew he made all these connections but that this is like when I was bringing up when we were talking about earlier with Raj yeah I remember he's like yeah the audio filmers coming out to Vegas he's gonna film or whatever and he kind of slipped up and told me I was like [ __ ] I'm like let's go film and he was like okay yeah I'll call you when we get to the spot and he's like they're going to a skate park and he's like okay he's like yeah Roger got cuz I already knew where they're going and I was I think I might have been on my way and he's like alright well Raj is here but he's he's kind of like weird I still remember this and I thought maybe me and Raj didn't like each other for a long time cuz he had like he might have if you even remember this story but then he was like yeah he's here he's like he's a germaphobe he's like don't shake his hand and I was like okay like I won't shake his hand he's like he's kind of like weird about meeting new people so like let him introduce himself to you and I'm like all right cool don't shake this guy's hand don't introduce myself so I get to the park and I don't know if you remember but I get there I was like alright can't shake this dude's hand it's like timid I don't want to like invade his space so I probably just look like an [ __ ] when I get to the park and I'm snubbing him like and Vinny's probably like haha yeah like working he's poop he's pitting you against Raj so I couldn't be like yo hey hell yeah I'm rag doll or Anthony have to talk whatever I'm like make a relationship were like yeah I'm gonna go film with Raj too right so he's like he's a germaphobe don't shake his hand like giving all the bad manners like which Park was the wrong realtor on the bank no that's Kenny Gwynn it was the one it's called Metro Park it's it was like up like on a hillside like a mountain hmm and I remember I was [ __ ] ripping yeah would you even remember any of this I don't know you do do it did you think I was [ __ ] rip I did a trick I'd never do and I was like [ __ ] Roger from audience here he's gonna vomit if I can't [ __ ] shake his hand show him what I got and I was like [ __ ] dude like I was on top of Jesus like I'm like I'm not gonna shoot somebody I don't know and that was the whole thing I didn't get if I shake your hand introduce you you never know yeah so well I went that [ __ ] yeah I did [ __ ] it was like a quarter pipe to a Ledge just [ __ ] party yeah but in his way I couldn't he's my best friend and I just laugh it off and now I still find it funny like that's how he is like you need people and that kind of in the world like shake [ __ ] up sure it wasn't like facetious or any like telling him he was talking [ __ ] he was just like it's kind of genius like he's a germaphobe don't shake his hand right right he's timid so don't introduce yourself to him like he'll introduce oh she's just gotta be invisible yeah exists like it'll happen it's like a puppy dog he'll come up to you or like a cat thank God look I'm a little warm up to you but dude I was whipping that night I remember I did a tailslide kickflip at his first time I flipped out of my board I was like Rogers gonna see that oh wow he's gonna want to film it right gonna wanna [ __ ] film it nothing they didn't film it like it's good work see you notice so is well worth it but yeah from from that night and then I think you guys went oh the uploads was it the UH pledge or was it the Keith ledge right aperture you're right yeah it was right by there you did like back 500 yep that's a 500 and a blunt mm yep but I think I think he brought you out and this is another [ __ ] that I found but behind the scenes Vinny I was like there's look behind the scenes yeah he's [ __ ] great yeah it makes good [ __ ] YouTube yeah What did he say there was a kink alleged as a hubba and it was like a Heil I think he brought you out and you were filming it and they cuz this is like lights and generator like her only like the professional top people had this [ __ ] at it yeah so he brought people out and he knew I wanted to know slide it and I was like it was kind of far and I think Vinny was the one that was driving or he had the car but he brought these dudes out and like made a night mission of it so he can get it and get it done but he put a piece of plywood on the the second is a double set so he put a plywood on it so he could just like jump it no no so he could like no slide and like comfortably jump off so it was like but then he got someone to shoot the photo where you couldn't see the ply whoa Wow you know what I mean so he was like kind of like fake do who's making it safer exactly and but he had it where the photographer shot it from I think it was he shot it from this angle so it was like four straight on sideways sideways sideways so you would see the back of it you wouldn't see the stairs you see the double ii imagine but ya know man i thought it was the trip when cuz it was for audio and i don't go in that night man yeah but i was skate for sure with the other filmers for audio at that time me and Josh go back to work no but he was always with Roger I was I was always like maybe Jeff Taylor came out and we shoot nastya but I just remember just you know a lot and that was like my taste of like [ __ ] this is how it works cuz I remember he put the wood on that and I was like what's it the same night we went to like a green electro box I didn't go with you anywhere no no I the skate park is one [ __ ] ripped and I was out of there [ __ ] take that dude remember it'll be on the nine you just do and that was just like the taste of it so cuz we don't get like geek out on magazines and stuff and I started looking at stuff different like whoa I wonder cuz rally was doing the heaviest [ __ ] and I was like dude like there's no way he put wood and then I found out like what video it like skew mother you're always up to something dude what about the footage did he move the the ramp no he just got the photo he I don't know I just got the photo sometimes it worked yeah maybe maybe rush wasn't there maybe just a photographer I think he might it might have been like oh I already got the footage I just need to know oh yeah but you know what I mean it happens you have to get him on the show yeah who was he getting boards from at this point Murdoch's know he was getting flowed from time oisin at the time oh boy machine and then he met Sumner they were being in Huntington Beach I got stories about Huntington Beach so cool talk about being like a kid thrown into the maze but not a kid 16 so I don't 17 maybe still wet behind the ears yeah just learning right trial-by-fire do like learning it all wait a minute he was getting tore mission what were you were you were you getting flowed by anybody at this point my first flow I think it was like world it was like one of the shop rep flows okay I was getting like world board's Osiris which wasn't kind of cool because it was like I was heavy into like Moscow I was mostly you were baby Moscow no mini mosque but there's like the other mosque us in Vegas I was the og fake Mosca like I mean I never heard the man a mini Moscow mini Moscow was they called him mini and but he was a mini me but I was originally a mini Musca so he was mini muska does that make sense No so I'm say I'm at the time eyes are nicknames that you guys they you guys gave each other yeah we've always been our nicknames okay like every because there's too many mattes there's too many that like there was a Vinnie and Anthony but that was kind of like boring back in the day yeah our last name is is Gambhir til Gambardella okay and mine was Scala Mary yeah so we're like [ __ ] I don't know my nickname came in we'll get into that but yeah everyone we all just throw [ __ ] nicknames Rocco you were many Musca and then somebody else's Minnie went before I was sponsored and stuff I was obsessed with Chad Muska yeah and I would wear the backpack the brim beanie and stuff like that right and as I started to get good there was another kid that liked me so he thought I was the [ __ ] but he didn't know who the other muscle you were emulating musk yeah he was emulating you yeah so I was emulating the og that was the fake og and then we have third generation that's what is what I make of it because there's a muscum at a mini muska and then I was like the musca yeah they're nice to see that they I love to see the fresh fresh rag bah man I can DM you guys yeah yeah but wait a minute I know we're gonna talk about the nickname rag doll but didn't Musca give you the name nickname rag doll my friend Hamamoto era kamamoto okay he coined the I [ __ ] bailed so hard on a trick I don't know what it was but he's like dude like and I never heard that name rag doll I don't I thought maybe he made it up or something I don't know how he knew like what a rag doll was like dude that was like like you look like a [ __ ] rag doll or whatever and then I was like oh whatever cool and then from then he was just like yeah raggy and the rags and then rag and al rag doll and like he's just has like this personnel about him like dude that sounds [ __ ] cool so it kind of caught on he would call me like raggy and like rags and like and then we it would become a joke like I'm just gonna [ __ ] ragdoll this [ __ ] I don't [ __ ] care I'm gonna like it's like going for glam right I would like say to my I'm like ha me I'm gonna rag doll right now it's gonna make for good footage I'm either eating [ __ ] or I'm gonna land it Musca gave you the nickname Musca made it stick oh so when I met muska which we got to go back to like are you still dressing his musket there's no eNOS when you meet him no like this was [ __ ] I think was the four on one when boule ala and Greco showed up the skate the Huntington Park oh yeah rock I was like holy [ __ ] I'm like you get to be that because I didn't for Halloween because I was know for me like cuz I saw muska and I just wanted I just it wasn't like I felt like I could look like him so maybe I could skate like him sure and I'll I love hip-hop and stuff but I was always like rude it with like punking some but growing up at that time there wasn't like know that I saw punk rock it was like heavily like hip-hop brash trash as far and like favorite skateboarders were like Mike Carroll and Shawn Shep like Shawn Chevy is my favorite skateboarder like so I dressed like them like oh that's how that's just how it is then I saw the 4:01 were [ __ ] they made that transition i was like holy [ __ ] in there under the Sex Pistols like I know who that band is because I was in the jeans addiction and like yeah Operation Ivy and I was like that's what all the punkers [ __ ] see and I didn't know what a punk skater was so because I was around all my friends we weren't around the old dude so once that that came out like that's when I was like I can kind of just be you can be an individual so my pants got tighter [ __ ] chop my [ __ ] hair off dyed it black and I was like cut your hair yeah like I cut my own hair too why not can't really I mean it's I need I need but uh so it's interesting so you thought that here you are dressing as a certain way and then you see something else where you're like you know what that's really me I can fit in I I relate more and I remember it happening like prior to like my friends on the outside looking in they're like oh you just made the switch overnight but for me I thought I was doing it gradually like the pants got tighter I kind of chopped off my shell haslam kind of in a way but for me it looked like that but I always felt that way like I'd have the big hip-hop head felt like these like skating around like Moscow but I was listening to like Operation Ivy I mean I was listening to like [ __ ] but I was listening to the Fugees and stuff like that because good music is good music right the [ __ ] that got me were like I want to skate this [ __ ] I want to listen to Black Flag I want to listen the [ __ ] of Minor Threat right now that's what was going on in my headphones so once I saw like you can be an individual and maybe because when when Ally and Jim did that people looked at them the same way like oh look they're Punk overnight maybe they had that same clique like dude we get to be ourselves now right like but they were into the it because they were into the Rolling Stones and all the same [ __ ] and Satan then what people see in video and magazines yeah it doesn't happen over the next clip is like oh right like a hos l'm like mate husband pride loved that [ __ ] and that could be a six-month transition yeah but it looks overnight and that's if you can if it's naturally what you're gonna do it doesn't matter what anyone says like dude it's me yeah I'm wearing a leopard jacket like I skateboarding is exactly you need that yeah [ __ ] you'd need it and so that happened where are we going on I wanted to know ohhow Musca coined the so cuz made it stick okay but I was on world getting flow forward Cyrus and I was oh I can I remember why I quit world we weird [ __ ] just comes to you do you know Cyrus yes like I said I was fresh and I was getting like the Peter small accent [ __ ] okay they sent me D threes back then you didn't hate D three it wasn't like cool to like hate him you're like these are [ __ ] cool I was like these are [ __ ] rad shoes I remember skating I was like they're heavy and I wasn't like they're [ __ ] uh like trying to be like too cool to wear them I was like whatever they're they [ __ ] look cool with my outfit we went to uh we used to go to this place called Lake Mohave it's in Lake Mead okay we all we all go cliff jumping out there dude so we're going cliff jumping and the rock there's like [ __ ] like anywhere from like a ten to like a fifty foot cliff and we're skateboarders we're going off the foot oh you have to wear shoes when you cliff jumps not only did I I was so worried about losing my shoes when I was cliff jumping so I tied him [ __ ] super tight jump off the cliff and I remember trying to swim and I'm like I'm not going running sinking and I was like I'm drowning everyone thinks I'm like just a shitty swimmer you're [ __ ] panicking and I'm like oh my god like these shoes are like little shoes aren't built to sink there you could throw any shoe into a pool and they float not d3 like a sack of rocks dude and they were so I didn't want to lose him so they were so sad shoes uh I was underwater like trying to like get the double knots out and [ __ ] and I was like trying to grab him got up like they they sunk like they were it was gone well better than than you dude yeah what dude Osiris almost took me out here about rag doll sank with the fishes now that's calamari got it where he needed it but yeah I remember that happen and I was like the rep flow was like mad he didn't believe my story he's like there's no way that happens where the [ __ ] are the shoot cuz I guess they just came out and like he wanted clips in them or like just you probably just got one pair of shoes yeah yeah bored or something like rep flow yeah he thought I gave him away or what he was mad at me and I was just like you know I was like dude I almost [ __ ] drown and I was like I don't want to [ __ ] I was I was like scars like I don't want to wear the I was like I can't wear these shoes anymore so I like was like I don't want to ride for Osiris flow anymore music all right well that world is kind of the attack because it was through the skate shop I think at the time the City Board shop and he's like well one comes with the other I was like there was little rep flow yeah and it was kind of a good thing because that's when I learned like don't ride for something just for it because it's free just cuz someone's giving it to you doesn't mean make it right like true have some like dignity into it yeah yeah I've gotta have some pride if what like what you're wearing like it makes it makes you feel good totally it just gives you that pep in your step you know what I mean totally anything you're right I mean you could will listen bro you know it's not what you wear it's how you wear it this is true it's get that smile on you got you got a outfit right there as long as you're smiling I like this guy's not what you wear it's how you wear it my dad's true but yeah so the rep flow and all that that went down but yeah it was a good lesson like dudes like I'm not I just I don't need it like I'll buy another I'll buy the board's I like now cuz it was like wet willy and the flamethrowers and [ __ ] which is cool at the time but I was like it was cool for the kids at that point yeah you know the older guys were like it's a good like guys like checks cleared yeah it's for someone returning rollerblades to get their first gallon there but yeah so so that was that so I transition I was I don't know if I was getting boards for anybody after that for a little bit oh okay this is how Musca comes into play yes I met a guy our friend Travis he was good friends with Musca Travis Vogel he [ __ ] ripped like like he looked like he looked like Tom penny scale like like he was just like the dude and he knew Musca I think they tag together or something with muscular there and Musco wasn't a part of the equation yet cuz I would have been freaking out at that point I'm not skating in front of this dude but there's my great friend the guy I owe a lot to is double D Donnie Dietrich oh and Bill Wiese and Dennis Martin dirty no digital how can the best so I met double D came to town and he was like freelancing for digital so I met him and I was just like that wild [ __ ] kid like yeah that's all [ __ ] rag doll a dude like let's go let's go this is gonna be in a real video Calif I'm making connections now so double D he was like I got you kid like [ __ ] so he came out there I might have went to California for he's like come stay on my couch type of deal hmm I did that maybe once and then came back to Vegas and then almost like [ __ ] dude I should like it was so cool seeing the spots in videos like and we like when before like going back to the Vinny thing like we would go to skate spots and like to see it in the video we'd always visit Costa Mesa for some reason we take road trips out with his family like mom and dad and they drop us out like we want to go to like this but Huntington Park [ __ ] like that was that was the coolest like been all day there dude yeah I like went up like the first time went to Huntington I just look like a weird I like touched the flat bars interviewed so many people did [ __ ] on that and I go well I'm like wipe it on my pants and rip today dude it was just from being in Vegas and then we didn't realize how close California was - it was like a four four-hour car going back to - Donnie I got that feeling I was like holy [ __ ] there's so much more opportunity and my mind made up I was like I'm not supposed to being about Las Vegas for as much time as I split going from Vegas to Arizona I'm like something was telling me like I'm not supposed to really be anywhere and then when I got to California was like I'm supposed to UM this is where it's at it's where it is at where it's at like and I was like [ __ ] all right this all makes sense so this is like mid 90s for 95 is gonna be like 96 many 16 17 years old okay did you move out there yeah I'm here because my father had passed away I remember I do and that's another thing that I fell in love about skateboarding - like my dad had recently passed like the day before New Year's or something so we're all out skating Ron [ __ ] we're out like really it's called Boulder City it's in like Las Vegas like mmm the outskirts of it and it was me and like [ __ ] via was everybody and I had my mom's she was in town from Tucson so I had a Jeep Cherokee so I loaded every as many people as we could fit in the car so we're skating in Boulder City and I'm just trying to get my age reference yeah I had it been like 16 license back then you could get it at 15 16 and a half 16 so we're skating the spot and I learned I learned barley grind like 180 switch Smith okay and then I learned switch barley Greg switch 180 Smith grind yeah top of the [ __ ] world like oh dude that's both ways you think yeah best day ever right wrong get a [ __ ] phone hey Anthony get home and I never it was my sister's like hey girl you gotta get home we didn't talk like that like we're loose like it's more like a what are you doing like when are you gonna be home sure get home and I was like some and media like do you know it's like alright get up like ended up dropping everybody off get to the house like my dad's getting wheeled out Oh look happen I'm like shocking numb and I'm like and like everyone's crying and uh I don't know if I was still like like energized from that skate session like where I was like nothing made sense but I remember like him going by the sheet over and all my sister's trying to explain it and I was just like numb was like what the [ __ ] he was gone like they wheeled him out I remember sitting in the house that day and like waiting for him like GoBot nothing like you're young it's my first - not even I didn't have pets or anything like that so that happened and I didn't I didn't tell anybody because this is before like people text or anything was like calm on home phones or whatever and I feel so bad not talking like no eye contact here yes it is bill where's that almond milk no this is actually straight from a cow it's cow's tail yeah he loves its policies look at me yeah it was getting kind of deep there I had to switch it over girl yes so so that had happened I didn't tell any of my friends and I and I didn't go skate for like two days and that was [ __ ] crazy if you didn't if you weren't out with your friends every day something was up yeah and then I went out like the the two days after and for some reason I just knew it like we all skate at a spa and I just went there and everyone was there I didn't call anybody was just like one of those like meant to be things everyone's that are skating no one knew what was going on and then like that skateboard bond like you just had when you meet people like on the level I remember my friend Jeremy like I had a picture of my my dad in my pocket and everyone was like what the [ __ ] what do you have that like kind of joke yeah like why do you have a picture and then my one friend Jeremy like he just like looked at me and this is like pre like emotions in skateboard went before people said I love you and like it was like hugs after tricks like this was my first taste of like I'm skateboarding like Brotherhood like this is my family happy [ __ ] right he just like kind of thought he heard someone say something he just like looked at me saw something different like just came up and hugged me he's like [ __ ] he's like you'll get through it yeah and I didn't tell him he just knew he just knew and I was like [ __ ] dude he's like I he's like we kind of like figured something and I don't know where this story's go I think it's just my love of skateboard how it's all coming back to me yeah not the physical activity just the people that were strangers now my best friends and now like my first death is now their first death and we're all in it together right right it went from the highest high of me landing those two tricks to like going on my dad's death and then transgenic transitioning back into going on another skate mission and it wiped my brain I was like [ __ ] I don't know if it was a good thing or like if I just suppress it but I was not and I was just like skateboarding is gonna take my mind off this yeah and skateboard in there and the people around you yeah and it was it was a good good filter yeah [ __ ] where were we going yeah okay Oh cuz I was trying to give time like how old I was yeah yeah yeah so and I just keep falling love with skateboard so alright so double d double d double D Donnie d trix so oh you're saying Bill Wiese alias and double D and yeah so I met them so it was after my dad had passed okay when I was like [ __ ] it I don't need to be in Vegas my mom's in Tucson I don't want to go like I got the taste of [ __ ] California you wanted to go to I was like my dad's not here but I'm gonna I'm gonna [ __ ] make it like I was like I'm gonna be Pro like I mean when you're skating with these guys it was in LA or was in California no it was in Vegas yeah it was just double D though he came out like just took just probably party and [ __ ] and he brought a camera and I went skating he's like oh this kid's got it like went out of California came back the thing happened with my dad and then I was like dude and I think Vinnie had already like been trying to move out there and I was like [ __ ] if Benny's doing I'm gonna do it so me and Hamamoto took a greyhound because he call me like this is my address call me when you get to town I don't know if there's him being nice but we took it literally like for like four days after he told us that because I think we talked to him on the phone and I wrote down his address he might have been drunk at the time or because he was older he was like [ __ ] 25 at the time gonna call me yeah and he was hanging out Moscow and Moscow party like so he knew but we didn't know any of that yet so he gave the invite and me and Hamamoto were like we're going I don't know how we got money for the bus ticket whatever but we took the bus call call call Donnie no.1 double D with [ __ ] you at like slept at the Greyhound I think it was to the night what would the day we got there we stayed the night that night and then the so two nights in at the Greyhound station we didn't care we're out of there and we're skaters but we couldn't go too far because this is pretty cell phone so it was a payphone right there and that was the number I was leaving on his answering machine call me back to this payphone so we were only like skating right there or like yo we're gonna go to seven left like you go first watch the boat they do they do tell you to stay in the same spot if you're lost yeah and we were [ __ ] lost no idea what we were doing so but finally made it to DA needed' riches okay and he was living with the dirty Aussie you remember him Troy Oh Mahoney oh I heard the name balancé balancé yeah yeah Troy Oh Mahoney yeah he was just in the mix like he's parties Hardware video I don't know why he's good from Australia huh so it was him in the mix because they were filming digital so they were doing all that so we go out finally meet up with double D get to his house it's [ __ ] sketchy it's everything you dreamed up as a kid you're like dude I'm living with grownups they're not they're like [ __ ] their children yeah having a good time they shouldn't be living on their own we're here at their house sleeping on the floor so we stayed with them and there's downtown [ __ ] San Diego okay I remember pokies do you have you been down to San Diego there's pokies was like the the mothers of Huntington oh so I was like the taco spot okay so I was like the hub mall and Street machine was right there so we were right there and we'd go to pokies we just got we saw you're like you're in the you're in the lil now yeah we've made it we're watching people eat tacos coffee and we would see everyone like Elissa steamer would walk by and like the San Diego heads like [ __ ] I can't remember and Tommy out it was like down the street so we saw like everyone like going going through there feeling for freaking what's it called welcome to hell at this point no I was after those fu yeah welcome to hell sparked us to like we want to go here we know what spots we want to go to so we were like downtown me and Hamamoto made it down with Donnie and they were doing they're like hey while we're gone doing some sketchy [ __ ] within until like we're gonna be gone right let's go do your thing be back at will be back at the house of five so we just go spot search and we find spots like that were in videos and be like that's the that's the thing someone did something on gotcha and for us it wasn't like we want to show how good we are we're like dude are for here we have to at least like touch it get one trick on yeah one trick and it was the bank Keith did a 360 flip over the rail into the bank there was a rail in the center oh yeah I think it's Roosevelt it's like he skated all the time when people will yeah yeah and there's like a bank to like a bar - yes it's got you land on black black okay so it was that spot we went there and there's a rail in the middle and Heath did the 360 flip over we're like there's no way that's gonna happen just there's no element it was like we're there we gotta like make sure we're here for a reason so what did what on that like someone ended up like I think someone lip slid the rail I can't remember who it was dude like [ __ ] maybe shanties youngin sandy in the rhythm video that was one of my favorite videos that rhythm rhythm Genesis I say shanties in Guinan oh yeah your expedition with him I yeah but I even I I called him Chani for so long yeah and he's like dude you could call me the wrong name for six years he has his own fur jacket and yeah I remember that like he'd like tail or lips litter or something and I was like all right I did a lipslide Hamamoto did a front board and like all right [ __ ] and spots in California compared to Vegas it's like baby site like because we have like legit handrails for old people and tourists so there's no lawsuit yeah you go to school yards in California's for little boys looking and small damn we're like holy this is like a skate park like we didn't go to skate parks because we're like that handrail is like a skate park if they built it in Vegas yeah yeah so we would just go to spots by donning them were out doing their thing and we got back to the house and we're telling them [ __ ] they were and he's like these kids are full of [ __ ] you did not go there and do that on that rat and we're like whatever like you know Madeleine T this no they were out doing like sketchy [ __ ] like we got there and they were like we got there like yeah you can stay here like but we're going to do something else I don't know because they always had product at the house I don't want to put anyone selling it or selling it just they didn't want to hang out with kids like right and it was like weekdays so like back then it was like we're going skating on the weekend so that's my what we might have got there on like a Tuesday and they're like alright we're not going out til the we exactly so didn't did you take him there to show them that you can I think that's I think that's what it was we were going out in the weekday and then the weekend came around and then we went out and he's like these kids are like on it like we were just skating and they're like and then they would be like do you want to go here it was always yes yeah yeah it's not in Vegas yeah we'll go there we'll go there hey so we did that for a little bit and started to make connections I remember seeing Jamie Thomas at sports and that was another thing that came to mind I was like dude let's figure out where all these pros are going and just show up and rip not cook not cook just naturally but they'll just happen to be on the session and it's kind of should happen get your foot in the door without like it wasn't us showing off by it wasn't them doing a crook and then us doing the crook right it was just it was almost like wait till they're done and then kind of like creep in and skate this yeah had some etiquette growing up like at the blocks you learn like the chaos like weave your way around let the big dogs do the big dog things and so we would do that and like we just put it into fruition like dude and I was like set I was like I'm gonna ride for [ __ ] zero so we go with Donnie and we start filming and then we went up to Huntington and met up with Wiese and that's when I first met wheeze and Dennis and Dennis was doing like all the editing at the time yeah so we would go out with us and we is the [ __ ] best oh my God he's just like the kid he's just a grown-up kid yeah and it was he was so down he's into the high jinks that were in like just [ __ ] throwing water at people yes sure just get like just having fun just and we'd go and film film not thinking anything of it film film film and then he's like yeah you guys should stay out here and just start [ __ ] hanging out meat and he would like give us boards I don't I think he got me zero board somehow because he always saw me and he's like yeah we'll take care of your boards so we ended up staying with double D for I think maybe like a week and I was like yo you guys gotta go Oh like we thought maybe and he's like I didn't really know you guys were gung-ho on staying right we're not [ __ ] leaving dude so he's like all right I got these guys they work at Tom yet oh and I was like bullying like Toy Machine Wow okay I wanted to ride for 0g I'm gonna live at someone's house that works yet oh boy boy so we get there he drops us off he was like this is so and so this is so and it was a big house it's like a house and then a back house and it was total it was like a frat house skate game okay yeah bye yeah find a place to sleep we're you're more than welcome we did and run 75 bucks no it wasn't even that there I guess we got vouch for there like all these dudes are gonna do is [ __ ] skate okay so we're we're living there and we're in the back house and I think they moved someone else in or just got too crowded and they were they were taking care of us like yo you know what like go there there's a guy named Jake he lives over there he's cool he'll probably let you stay in there and it's like a it's like a little studio it's like the size of a kitchen okay and we're like all right cool so we go over like a [ __ ] they said I can't remember his name that worked there hmm he always was listening a modest mouth super loud like [ __ ] dancing around his underwear just um yeah do you know who the Brian Jonestown Massacre bandit yeah you know the guy with the big mutton chops and the plays the tambourine you know that's what he okay what he reminded me like just [ __ ] he was such a character it's a good band by the way oh it's one of my favorite yeah yeah Brian Johnson [ __ ] super good so we move in to that and it's like Jake's there and we like met him in passing so yeah it's cool all right mate you just sit there like what a mate like what the [ __ ] so it comes down it's Jake brown but this is before I think he was I don't know who he's riding for it but we it was like Jake Brown he was heavy in the mix like he knew air like he was having people come pick him up like holy [ __ ] like that's so and so like picking up Jake oh whoa Jake Brown we're in his closet you were it literal like he had it was like set up like this and he had a drawstring and it was me and Hamamoto like Hamamoto speed and my feet like that just sleeping in closet and he had our hundred bucks we'd always go in on food like we'd buy a loaf of bread and like cheese or whatever and Brown has like the maker I'll use the maker use the maker and it was just grilled cheese sandwiches that's all they all day real cheese contort Foreman yeah okay so yeah make it in the maker yeah didn't I make a like alright [ __ ] cool like so we're doing that for a while and you just out filming with Wiese we send it now is like double D cuz he's like oh these kids are like really about it go get him set up at this house so kind of met up with all those dude like was that that house man as [ __ ] what you filmed a digital part right yes this is it going into that yeah it's transitioning into all that and then but from this house like we met a lot of people and we were just in the mix more like it was like yeah if you want to go film let's go and then but I remember one time like Shawn chef he came over and I'm scared no this is how it happened he [ __ ] no he did come over at first he's like yo what what's up and we were just like not scared cuz we didn't know the the reputation he had I just saw him like remember goldfish and just [ __ ] Styles like dude welcome what's up whatever is he's like you guys gonna be here for a minute and we're like yeah cool and he's like doing something in the front yard he was like right out front or something and then he comes in and it was Julian his son I'm sorry it's a cool fee kicks it with you for a little bit and we're like we're just watching skate videos or something and we're sitting on the couch and he's like in the front doing yard work or something I don't know like edging the lawn or maybe he I don't know what he was doing through the gardener yeah planting but we were just chillin with his son and I was like dude this is the coolest [ __ ] I was like we're like hanging out and Julian must have been like seven at like he was young this is after he all lead over him yeah like I didn't grow up with that Chevy but once I found out he's my favorite okay whoa he did a lot of stuff but just cool like that [ __ ] happened just you're in it bro yeah in it and it felt good yeah so then we start going filming with with Wiese and got into that mix and then now we're getting to the ragdoll story so we make a Vegas trip I think was me and Cory Shepard and it was just [ __ ] it was like the blind world of [ __ ] course Shepard Casper no not Casper uh Julia no Aaron artists no [ __ ] run he's on blah he's on blind it was Kriegers homie yeah nevermind no dude once we say it out loud were going like oh that should have been the first guy he's like the TFS or food James Craig there's James Craig and he's totally yeah Craig Mazin some of the red dragon guys oh so we made our way out to Vegas and we're doing trips like that and then I had stayed out there or something I don't know how it came but Muska ended up coming out with Wiese and we're at this rail the UNLV row and I was never done a noseblunt in my life but I was like that's like a musket trick I got to do this I don't think this ends well no I got up just straight two feet and cartwheeled like try first try going for it and [ __ ] Wiese was like yeah ragdoll and he's and I don't think Musca knew yet that my nickname was ragdoll he's a [ __ ] rat go you got that [ __ ] rag doll yeah and he just kept saying it and we looked that means like you that's yeah but you had the nickname of for a little bit before people were kind of it was Greg Dahl it but once he kind of got the backs and he's wheezes like that's Jeff and he would not let anyone call me rag like nothing but rag doll from that and and it was Mosca and it just sounded so cool coming from me severide oh yeah you got this rekt oh [ __ ] yeah oh you good you're good [ __ ] yeah right yeah and he did it with Vinnie Vegas - you have any Vegas yeah holy [ __ ] Moscow just like justified [ __ ] I guess a bunch of stuff homies yeah he's a bunch of [ __ ] he's just and that's the dude I am you late just came full circle so [ __ ] cool that amazing did you tell him the story about how it used to be him yeah I think I think we talked about it too but he's just so like humbles yeah tell me that keep it to myself I'll wait till I go on the nine club and tell you got a ragdoll got this you got this yeah I just totally he's probably scared like I hope this dude's not dead like how do you how do you feel about that oh you pray I was kind of psyched on it cuz that's when nicknames were kind of like coming up because one of my favorites to this day is train wreck guy wreck and I was like this dude's [ __ ] and I was like now I got a name like similar like I want a mini train wreck was on zero and I was like I kinda turned out marketable I kind of you know like I felt like okay I got something but someone else got because my name was always super hard and people like dude I don't it's a good name though it's a good you could have red you could have if ragdoll never came in the pit you could have ran with your own name for I think totally master skating though and you're old I think yeah it worked out but what's calamari was back then because now we have people that are like coming out from like your up and stuff so it's kind of cool to have an intriguing name back then it's like if it's not looking good on a board like yeah yeah yeah cause it's calamari because a bunch of Europeans that need nicknamed you know they do idea and that was like one thing like I was I was proud but I kind of because my dad had already passed away and he was really big like I'm Anthony Daniels calamari the third okay so my name is really it has meaning yeah so I think if my dad was still around at that I would feel a different way yeah he would be like why aren't you proud of me but it's kind of like you they call you Tony the hat like his name was Tony the Hat Tony the Hat Tony the hat at the [ __ ] did he know wear a hat he wore a hat hat was asleep okay well it's yeah like he was just coming oh he doesn't have a hat right there you told me the Hat oh my god debunked it yeah maybe he's just when he went and gambled maybe he's his lucky hat or somebody was Tony the Hat because he would oh that's such an Italian yeah nickname maybe he helped when he wore a hat it was always a good hat cuz he always had fedoras and right Frank Sinatra was his idol and therefore is my idol so that's what I grew up on i I want to get into the black label stuff but before that you had a short stint with zero he's that correct yeah what what happened their dream was fulfilled I can't really remember how the zero connection happened right but I remember meeting Wiggins and me and Hamamoto had moved back to Vegas I guess okay we ended up back in Vegas because I remember Wiggins is like yeah come stay with me and I was like okay yeah so I never met the dude at all he just like he was flowing me boards and I think I was getting flow from drawers at the time too through Wade Barth Oh interesting but somehow are you on you were on drawers at one point yeah I was I was I think I had a clothing sponsor before anything else because Wade Barth took me under his wing so maybe I had a little bit of like clout where they're like alright someone's messing with us getting into this yeah yeah yeah so Wiggins somehow I made the zero connection and he's like talk to him on the phone and we just hit it off so he's like yeah come out we'll go skate do this that the other thing I'm like alright cool he ended up like tearing his ACL and his PCL like two days or three days well no prep a little bit before cuz he tore it and then I put off the trip of going out there he's like dude I'm gonna be laid up so he got surgery he's like if you want to come out whatever and I still had never met him and I think this is how it went down and then I went out and he just had PCL surgery or ACL he tours me bad and he's laid up and I was like [ __ ] nice to meet you whatever and he was laid up on the couch I think it was at Jamie's house and I was like all right he's we're at Jamie's house he's laid up and I said we can't go skate on and I don't know if I was in there I was like yeah you mean to do your laundry like what I was like I'm out here like you can't like can I help you like so we hit it off like that so I got on the flow program with zero mm-hmm and then I think he knew it like he's like this dude just wants to skate so he brought me in and then [ __ ] dude maybe I met him before he blew his knee out I can't remember yeah I feel like we had a connection where he was walking around before and I was staying at his house because I would go on some missions with Jamie with Jamie like okay it wasn't like we're gonna put you like you got a chance it was kind of like oh we're flowing you like bro flow go out and skate yeah let's go skate like get on the mission sure and I remember like I wanted it like I wasn't trying to show I just wanted like dude like I'm here for a reactor Vegas that's all that was going in my head I don't want to go back to Vegas so I remember we went to me and Jamie cuz Wiggins couldn't go and then me and Jamie for some reason I remember Bricktown Rick town okay and I think trainwreck was with us and I was like [ __ ] dude trainwreck got in the van and I was like in the backpack and trainwreck came stump like just [ __ ] barging in the Branly let's go [ __ ] and skate like just have you ever met trainwreck never met oh my he's an enigma okay he's like a superhero dude right so he got in the van and we're going to brick town and blackout I don't I don't know remember I don't remember I remember trying to switch frontside 360 the brick town 12 mm and just tensor the tents there yeah and I was getting close and close and close and like getting to the point where people were sitting down and I didn't know I was like are they sitting down because they're like yeah and I was like so in my head and then I saw Jamie and he looked kind of bored and I was like [ __ ] dude do I keep trying it and I knew I could have done it uh I kind of just gave up ragdoll this one Joe yeah - ragdoll every single time oh I was just trying to land on him and that was the first like cuz I had been filming with Wiese in them so but he was like my buddy at that something but now I was like under the pressure like oh I might get a chance to get on zero like you gave up I was just like dude I don't wanna waste their time so I was like and I knew I could have done it so we gave up on that mission I went back and stayed with Wiggins he's like how'd it go today and I was like ah [ __ ] didn't get the drinks [ __ ] no you don't get a trick every time you go out and yeah yeah sure I just got to impress the chief look get in there yeah so we would go on missions and then we got closer me and Jamie got closer and he was kind of like yeah like the students the students really about it and then we went out one day and I was like I was on a terror like I was like [ __ ] we went to this kink ledge and I remember I tell slid it it was like down and then flat it's it was in my digital part oh actually so I don't know how it's like adding up if he filmed it and gave it to Wiese or hmm we'll figure it out I guess interesting so I remember doing like four tricks in one day a table shooting photos like I was like hope this is insane dude we went and Jamie's missions were [ __ ] crazy and this is when they were filming dying to live I think oh wow so I was like I got a chance it's right when Lindsey was out on the same time Lindsay Robertson okay so it and Lindsey wasn't on the team it was like who's gonna make it it was like that we got these to do we're gonna pit these dudes and we were both going for it every day and Lindsey was skate rat mode I was skiing I rode and they were probably loving it like not they were pitting there they're bringing out the best that's what Jamie does you think he's an [ __ ] but it's just like when you look back on it like it's pretty the best to bring in yeah I just want it to see you shine like sure so is giving you the opportunity yeah yeah in the best way and just pushing you like [ __ ] like bringing the best out of you in every like hard way your parent would want to do it's like having a parent and you're like alright [ __ ] so we go on these missions and I was just stacking [ __ ] and I remember it was always a fight between me and because it was like it's like one of us is getting on we never thought like both of us and so he's gonna get the golden ticket okay so we're just going out heavy and I remember going out with the t-bone we got like the tail slide and then something else and like a lip slot on rail and then Jamie's missions were crazy he's like this was all in the day things like we're gonna go to Wilshire Wales what's really well okay so we had lights and generator we drove out there like god it was like 12:00 at night by this time cuz we went back and relax for a little bit and we're going out what's [ __ ] and I was like I gotta get it I gotta go and shove it nosegrind was my trick okay and I remember I did it and have you been to the Wilshire ten frontside shove-it knows where pops okay so I remember doing I did it and I don't know if you've ever been there about I want to say it's like 20 feet it's like by the time you get to the the sidewalk the crack yeah I pop shuvit nosegrind land it rolled all the way to the crack and like fell forward he's like you know you gotta do it and I was like what are you talk in my mind I rolled away yeah we didn't roll off the curb roll all right and that's when I was like whoa Jamie standards are like no joke and I physically could not do I've been skating all day well he would have cut it as soon as you lay I can just chop it real quick so I remember that that sunk in like really quick I was like dude he's on another level right and then from there El Toro I wanted to ollie out this is before Nuge okay wanted to ollie El Toro oh and he unheard of it was before Nuge said it no one said it out loud no it's like I want to [ __ ] ollie it I don't know if he was scared he's like no no put it off and we were filming with Lee dog at the time too you know and Lee dog was my my guy - he's like [ __ ] yeah and Lee was like dude yeah well we'll do it and I thought we're gonna go to El Toro and we ended up going to Jaime's [ __ ] one more rail and he's like do this first and I was like what he's like we'll go - he's like just you got to get a warm-up and stuff back then I didn't know I'm gonna ragdoll this year I'm gonna [ __ ] rag and I was like blown I'm like I'm going to a spa to ollie something almost as gnarly to go to another and it was just his word it was just like pride to him it's just like that's one more clip for the video sure but to me I was like I want to go to El Toro right now I have my mind made up when we got in the van J millennial tour I don't know something but we went to the one more try rail was that what he did it no no no this is after both the only thing I can with it back then so he's like just ollie this and then we'll go and I'm like [ __ ] and I got to the top and I was like okay cool I could at least roll away am I gonna care about it no and then so I try to ollie it and got down and I think I just kicked my board out like rolled I was like oh yeah I'm like all right I'm cool he's like yo let's get a line to it oh my god I'm like alright so here Jamie no Jamie was filming Oh but lead Lee dog was like getting second he was at the end of the rail getting second angle though Jamie Jamie alright so he's like okay well we might as well get a line to it and I'm like dude I don't want to do all I wanted to do was El Toro today so he's like let's get a line and I remember it was just like we had to make something happen I was like I'm just gonna blast off this like I don't know it was like a teen stare or something super steep like garbage landing like he's the only one that did anything on it back in the day was like let me just go kill this kid real quick like we probably but you to really go whatever trick before it and then you hit the foot yeah yeah but meanwhile he's probably already editing your part in his head exactly uh and I didn't I wasn't thinking that way I was just like I had my mind made up where he's like dude if he gets this and then does El Toro this will be a good leader totally it's get a line to it that's Jamie that's he's already picked a song out and she has this yep exactly but for me and that's where I got kind of mad at Jamie is because at the time I was like I'm doing this [ __ ] I don't want to do this I'm giving up on trying tricks because he looked I should have asked him like but I was too shy like hey are you over this or whatever should I keep trying to switch frontside 360 this because I really want to get it yeah but I was just like no he looks I know it's just like no you know I [ __ ] I don't want everyone waiting on me so from that to wanting to ollie el Torro to go into this 18 stair and then the line I was like fine like whatever I'll do I thought I could do it I knew I could do it so I think I did like a frontside half cab off like a gap like a little gap and then kick flipped up the curb like super quick and I was just like thinking because train wreck always had those badly yeah and I think that's what Jamie was getting at because we were similar like we're just going for it right and I all heed and let I believe I landed on the board and it's the first time I've ever been hurt in skateboarding well I yeah it was the first time I've ever been hurt I think I think I might have hurt my ankle back in the day but being in the mix of like feeling like I lost something like oh I'm not gonna be able to skate tomorrow would you bruise your Hugh got shin splints wow I didn't know I thought I just got shocked yeah I was like oh it's like that [ __ ] hurt dude and I was like alright whatever I was like I'll try it a couple more times kept bailing like cuz when I ollie I just felt like bones hitting it's the worst oh my god worst it I didn't know what it was and I was like dude my [ __ ] legs hurt he's like do you jumping off the big Shing and I didn't explain it right because he thought like oh yeah just the big drop I'm hurtin and tried it again I kept crumbling crumbling and I was like dude I physically gave up like not I could do this it's like I can't like I'm hurt dude so we're done with that and now I'm thinking I should have been hurt doing El Toro like if I'm gonna have shin splints it should have been a little like kind of got sidelined in my mind like [ __ ] he did like why did he do this like and I was just pissed and yeah I was hurt where it was to the point where like I got back to Wiggins because I was staying at Wiggins his house and he's like you good I must I was like hobbling I don't know I was like dude my [ __ ] leg I didn't say my shiny legs and he heard about the trick I was doing and he was like sore whatever and I was like dude I'm like I'm not gonna be able to skate so I'm just gonna I went back to Vegas and just chilled out cuz that family out there still like my sister and I remember healing up from that and then I would go back to San Diego because there's a little compound where this guy gecko like all the Alabama dudes live this gecko do you remember misled youth this is a cool little backstory the guy that sacks the rail that doesn't even touch in the beginning montage Sachs the rail light goes forward that's his kid named Gekko he's from a [ __ ] Alabama ok so I end up moving in with him and I was like dude I'm another famous person that dude you were in a zero video dude yeah so I was living at that house still on the zero program okay and I wasn't bitter at jamee I was just like it was just like that [ __ ] dude this so long yeah and then we never got around to going back but oh I went back to San Diego's because Jamie was gonna take me to Tampa am so it was me and Lindsay buh ba we're all going to Tampa AM and I was like okay cool like alright get over [ __ ] I'll do el Torro when I get back whatever sure thought I was good get to Tampa and warming up we're at the park and I've never been in from Vegas we didn't have any skate we had one skate park it had a flat bar and we called it the driveway Bank it was it was a slam [ __ ] so you didn't even get speed rolling down it right like you had to like push down this thing it was terrible first skatepark ago - its Tampa AM flooded with people I'm like hungry kids and I'm like I don't know how to skate transition I've dropped in everyone's Braden had like a halfpipe at his house and like some little transition but then go into Tampa AM and there's like a six foot quarter pipe with an extension and I was like oh my god I'm like alright well there's a handrail right there I'm just gonna focus on that crook'd it didn't did like the basics and then tried something jumped off my board shin splints right back and I was like oh [ __ ] and I was like so didn't know what to tell you and I was like dude my [ __ ] and he I told him once I do my legs hurt and we went to go skate we wrapped up at the skate park and went to go skate Street those blue rails in Florida oh yeah one skate we went the round ones yeah there's like eight stair and I remember like trying to muscle through my cart to warm up on Holi try to ollie it and just like my legs would not hold me up like it hurts so bad hmm and Jamie he looked disappointed he's like he's like what are you talking about like maybe yeah I try maybe trying to bring out the best of me like thought I was nervous trying to like egg me on you're like come on dude like rice was emotion like it just get rid of the nerves but I was literally hurt and the next day when my runs came up I was like I can't I'm not gonna go out and embarrass myself I can't do anything like it [ __ ] I'm not gonna go out there represent zero yes zero flow whatever anger be the dude like bailing and ollie and get hurt all iing 1/8 stare at the skate park and pablo hobbling off yeah oh nice nice job rag doll like what aren't you supposed to be able to take that [ __ ] you know yeah that little [ __ ] 5 stare at the skate park to see how you you did you didn't do your run I didn't I was like I can't do it and I don't know if he got upset with that but at the end at the end of the night or I should say the next day cuz it was my run and then we had the next day and it was like bobbing them and I was like I already missed my heat so I didn't have to skate so I was just not skating I was like I can't yeah so I wasn't skating the whole time and I think I had met like Morocco and them out there so it's kind of hanging out with and this is big big Baker Baker was the [ __ ] okay this is when they first dropped when it was like heavy PD like piss gel everyone wanted to be a piss drunk so I remember I had known Terry and Evan Hernandez all the young kids and duffle was there I kind of knew him so we all ended up in a hotel room I had been out with Morocco and he thought since I was from Vegas I was immediately 21 okay I was like 18 Marty yeah music you're from Vegas as I come with us so we went to a bar I got in I was drinking I was having fun ended up going back to the hotel rooms I was like dude kind of been drinking right now I don't want to show up back in the room like drunk with Jamie ID it looks real bad I think go skate like now strong right like I like I like the piss-drunk dudes I was I was fully in love with zero I wanted to ride 4-0 but obviously it's a bad look yeah I was like I'm just gonna hang out with [ __ ] duffel and all the dudes we're leaving in the morning I'll just stay here and I'll meet up with them in the morning because I'd rather show up in the morning like where were you and I can just like that fell asleep yeah those dudes so we're in the room and it just turned into it the [ __ ] party room hmm and I wasn't I wasn't even drinking I was like duffel it were like still young yeah we were just like kind of watching everyone and this is like when Reynolds was heavily partying and I rode for Baker for one night and he was he came in the room I guess he had like heard like the stuff I was doing in California and [ __ ] and I like I knew Terry and Terry's like class the [ __ ] rag right just being all high jinks and [ __ ] and and Reynolds he was drinking at the time so he was just like loving it he's like yeah I remember him taking he's like you're with us now and I was like what the [ __ ] have you talked like this is like the coolest thing but I was like in in my mind's like I'm riding for zero sure yeah and he was like Baker and I remember he like had a bottle of brandy and just like whipping it around and like now I'm like smelling like booze not only like I was because if I showed up to the room the next day and I was just like drunk the night before I could Malthe wash I'm covered in booze so I'm like [ __ ] dude I'm like dude and it stunk too and I'm like dude I was like I need a t-shirt like give me a t-shirt whatever I put on a dry t-shirt and I'm like good whatever fresh Baker shirt didn't even realize it so what'd you put on the Baker sure dude we he just threw me a shirt and we're in the middle of a party like and I just put on a shirt and went back to just hanging out with everybody and it was like oh my god I'm like we got to go to the airport I was like I'm going back to the room dude like and it was like the Sun was it was like probably like 7:00 in the morning I was like I can shower off the smell like real quick so go to the door I'm like [ __ ] panicking it was me and Bobby a sharing a room and I was like knocking on his door knocking on the door and Jamie was in the next room like how the hotel rooms have that door yeah [ __ ] door of doom knocking knocking and I guess I was knocking so like weirdly Jamie thought someone was knocking on the middle door okay what I thought bo ba answers the door and he was just like what the like what the [ __ ] dude and I see Jamie behind me giving me the same eyes I'm like what I'm like we didn't miss our flight like I thought like I made everyone late and he's like look what you're wearing dude and I look down it's a [ __ ] Baker t-shirt and I'm like smelling of [ __ ] booze and I just looked at Jamie and I was like sorry and I could I didn't want to be like telling my whole like the [ __ ] stilt like that long story and I'm sure I [ __ ] up like I should have just went and hung out with bo ba and like those dudes but just living in that moment I was like dude yeah and I was like hanging out so you flew back home and got him Black Label [ __ ] most like it was the worst [ __ ] I was sitting next to Jamie on the flight home and I was just like that kid that got in trouble I'm just kidding I mean you're sitting next to him don't you have that opportunity it's a six-hour flight I mean yeah yeah but when you're a kid you don't it's not like us talking right now right right I didn't know what to say and maybe I did say I just remember the flight being a total not even a blackout it was just white it was just I was tunnel vision it's like well it was probably way more strict back then dude he was it was her this was like dying to like this was like a follow up video and so you blew it I blew it [ __ ] and I I owned up to it yeah and Wiggins caught win and even Wiggins like dude like you kind of [ __ ] and I was Ike dude I know and I kind of like asked Jamie I think I was like dude like went to talk he's like me it's not gonna happen it's not gonna work out he was he was just like.he was over it was just like all right I get it it's not like I he was doing it for Cecily like I [ __ ] up like she owns a company like he's bringing a brat on tour and this brats gonna go be a bigger brat like this is what happens he investing money into you yeah and almost an even better teaching me a life lesson later you go don't be a [ __ ] [ __ ] sure yeah like if you're gonna be [ __ ] own up to it at least have that awkward talk don't clam up like yes own up to your [ __ ] ISM own why didn't you get a baker see what stuff I know wanna ride for Baker I knew like Andrew was just in party mode sure but it was almost like and cuz I think that was the same duffel what's going through the same thing he thought he was gonna ride for Baker yeah he really thought he was gonna ride for babe what when Andrews like yeah you're rolling with us now alright that's cool whatever I ride for Baker for a night whatever I'm going back to the zero room right [ __ ] yeah so you get back to LA or San Diego I jut write back to [ __ ] wood I guess the car ride of shame I had one of my friends in Vegas come pick me up because Jamie's not paying for a ticket for me to get back to Vegas so oh just I had all this time to think and then they got that Wade Barth from drawers found out he's like what happened I was like just hold music dude and he kind of reached he's like [ __ ] [ __ ] hat he's like you didn't he's like at least you meant well like what you were trying to do it it's a bad look I get it but you know if you really like just tell it as it is it's just it comes down to business sure and he had already had [ __ ] one in the chamber with [ __ ] with Lindsay good and you know what it was meant to be and then from there he did the most solid thing ever he [ __ ] art after the zero thing I remember just being in transition and staying in Huntington and this was like when I think Vinnie and then were living with our toe in the garage and Sumner and just I was lost dude I was like I thought I'd blown my big mole I was like dude that industry's gonna hate me cuz you hear stories back then yeah like I heard stories about people getting shunned in skateboarding so Vinnie stories yeah but no [ __ ] up no no I know it's small in extreme if you would just make [ __ ] up no but I did my cuz one of my favorite skateboarders was Sean Chevy yeah so I knew about a story about what Sean Chevy mmm they can reap that they can research that I've none of my business sure sure but I know people can blow it it's a small industry yeah you can get brackets around yeah and then I read I was the [ __ ] maniac partying animal like I had fun like I'm just energized no like if I'm drunk I'm energized drunk but if I'm not drunk I'm energized sober I'm stabbing sober a year and a half and I'm amazing worse than I am drunk yeah a lot to handle like so so from that like what did you do he said you did something solid yeah so I was like floating around Huntington and I remember getting a box from like 151 oh and I was like [ __ ] I was like I'm not I already learned that lesson like I don't want to ride for [ __ ] just for free like I learned my mind lesson through Osiris oh yeah and I was like and they had devil graphics I was like uh and I can't remember I don't know if is our partner is one of the guys he was like super hype and I was like dude I was like I I can't do I can't see myself right I was like I can't ride this board like it's just evil [ __ ] it's not what I'm it's like a different evil like when you look at 151 to zero it looks like a cartoon like zero yeah sure so but 151 was like I can't do it like I'm so and oh so glad I did that because I ended up I was like what do I do with these boards and I didn't know about selling them at the time and he's like well whoever's into that [ __ ] my buddy LJ and all those dudes they were all I caching into the trash sure and [ __ ] and I was like dude [ __ ] he was let me stay at his house and I was like dude rent right there I was like okay dude stay [ __ ] oh yeah Jaime all the stuff I was filming with them he had sent it to John Lucero I think it was him and Wiggins sent it to John Lucero sick and I get a phone call from John Lucero I didn't know I didn't even really know what Black Label was okay like it was never on my radar yeah like the video I don't know what video I think when he called me and he gave me the opportunity and then he I think I went in there cuz it was next to Costa Mesa it was in Costa Mesa I was in Huntington so he's like yeah come over get some stuff I think they were in like giant or something or they're in a warehouse and I was like these graphics were cool met John he was cool but Jamie sent over the footage and John was like I like it's amazing yeah and then from there John here's like a I'd like to give you boards whatever and I was like alright this is kind of cool I can I can dig Black Label and I didn't know who John was and that back then you couldn't Google so I couldn't like what company is this so I like found the Black Label video and that's when like Jason Adams was like yes getting to the [ __ ] Fiddler on the Roof yeah you got to do your own research yeah when there and it's fun when you have skateboard yeah like oh what did I miss and I was like I missed this video and it was Adam Alfaro okay yeah [ __ ] yeah I want to be a part so now you know now the spark it was like that zero fit I was like I want to ride for this company right let's [ __ ] do it I don't know follow man he he brought some new spark to [ __ ] a nice table he's the first one because I guess before that it was just all kind of like [ __ ] dudes and Alfaro was the the foot placement of bringing in Melcher and men Gilly and also those dudes were already there by the time I got I was like the the missing piece of the puzzle okay when I'd been filming with double D and we sand all those guys all the digital [ __ ] we put it I think he was some zero footage I think Jamie let us use the we had a big premiere okay our digital [ __ ] I can't remember which I think it was [ __ ] or something oh but we had it was that the Oakley Theatre and I was like my first video premiere is so [ __ ] cool and John showed up Dom John and Tom meow showed up which was the team manager okay and they're like you're [ __ ] on I was like all right this is [ __ ] it all made sense and then started meeting the guys and then we went on a road trip and then that's how I met Melcher yeah and me and Meltzer were just bonded at the hip immediately which was crazy because not that I was ahead like I like to I like to drink back then I was like beer and skateboarding like that's what you did yeah it was part of what you did you weren't like oh you're an alcohol like you're gonna sabotage your career or anything yeah it was like no this is party yeah yeah and Melcher has never done drugs or drink in his life and I was like this dude likes hanging it was just like the the opposites attract type of thing yeah and I was like cool now I have a but I've never even met him like now I have best friend we were going all these trips filming like cool it's all coming together and steady film and film and filming and I don't I don't know how it came about but we went on one trip and I think we're in Sacramento and that's when one of the we had someone that road for label that was part of like the tilt mode army I can't remember is uh Ricky Espinosa Espinosa so we went up to sack and went there and we had a good time it was in the enjoy dudes or no wasn't enjoy it was that enjoy at the time [Music] house it was all is Louie and all those do we met all those dudes and a question it was wild yeah like they had a they had a good time like everyone's dressed up all weird [ __ ] and I was like cool we had a good time we party sure and we had a good time and then I remember like having that like Jamie moment I was like did I have to good at all it was bad right did I have someone because I was drinking like I don't know if I blacked out and I said yeah enjoy I ride for enjoy welcome to the Panda like [ __ ] dude but I remember cuz we got back and it was I never like said anything I just had a gut feeling like did I just like have too much fun with those dudes and nothing came about and then we get back to Huntington er somewhere I don't remember what I was like just couch surfing so I was like everywhere just wherever whoever skating or staying with right and I get a call I guess I had a cell phone at the time and I get the call and it's John's again or knows naggy the guy that edits the video hmm he's like hey you gotta come in the office John wants to talk to you and I was like [ __ ] I was like here we go again I was like I'm getting a sit down like he's gonna be like yo like in my mind like what give me a probe or like I Drive I'm off like I'm off I thought I was off and I sit in his office and I was just like what's up dude he goes yeah we're thinking about turning you pro and I was like what wait like I'm so used to bad news yes except I didn't have a reaction I was a what yeah we were thinking about turning your button this is before blackout came out I was just about to say this is your only on the team for what like three months four months amazing yeah but he saw it like all I was doing was skating that [ __ ] stacked up and we were in Grant Schubert the film er like me and him it meets strangers two best friends out every day you're already filming from a lack out if I didn't even know it know it yes I go out with our film cuz I remember he's like meet me uh grant he's aren't he's the guy that's gonna be filming us yeah he's on board with us how long do you film for blackout for once you knew that it was like a year maybe one couple years you know it's I want to say a year a year a year okay that would like no but that makes sense though like blackouts gonna come out and he's turning you pro you're filming for it but you don't know do you feel yeah it was so maybe it was a you know second clips yeah yeah cuz back then it was magazine like you didn't even know what you're doing till the person tells you what you're doing sure so I guess when it came about like me and grant were just going out stacking clips and he's like yeah I want attorney Pro and I was like alright I guess I have to really go for it now because I was from that moment like I was like okay I think I can do this like no one's ever seen me really skate I had the Trent or the the digital part right and I was like okay like they seen that did I make that big of an impact like and I was like all right like I think I'm ready for it so I just took on the burden of like I gotta prove myself so now you know you're gonna turn pro here's a video I got up but you're the blackout was you I mean that was your like come out part that was that was my introduction yes really cuz digital that was like more the core people like her everyone was in the 401 one no one really liked mess with if you knew skate if you knew you you knew digital yeah exactly kind of didn't know you just for exactly it's like a skater like you're pros favorite pros like you don't know of that guy but that guy knows that sure so it's like that underground video there's a couple there was like progression to that that's what we're talking about but they always filmed like with gl1 and yeah it was unbearable literally unbearable to watch oh and grant came from filming from program yeah that's what we're trying to piece together but yeah clear but I was like like you didn't like watch for one just like oh it's it's good but I digital was always great and it reminded me of watching a baker video like it's so high he's like way more homie well you know just like they had weird stuff like the guy running down the shooter like it was it was fun to watch if he wanted to watch it again and good skating and it was always underdogs - it was always the dude that couldn't get all our kids yeah couldn't get a part in 401 but we siz gonna take it like like he did me like yeah let's [ __ ] let's get him out in the wild there'll be like a rad Appleyard part yeah his first line just thrown down his board and go away and then going the rails like oh my god that's like the first time you like you're like dude this this part has feel now and then that song never hurt boy dude yeah and that's exact you heard that song and Mark Appleyard skating to it and then that's your favorite song oh yeah that point but like that came more with this it gave you something like yeah those practices leftover footage totally was yeah but it was so good yeah back healing gaps and you know aside to is the I watched digital back then seeing Stephon Janowski for the first time in then like oh yeah we first came out he was at that point of an expedition but thank you guys for making that video yes thank you and double D yeah it was a big part of getting all those dudes yeah so he took on the underdogs right and to help you that's [ __ ] yeah I owe a lot like if not I can't say everything cuz everybody was a part of the puzzle but they really really [ __ ] put me out there yeah to me they made a chance to make those connections like yeah and yeah and then Black Label comes out I mean your your your your the video black the video blackened yeah so before the video this was back do you remember the time in skateboarding when it was clicky no no it was different back yeah it was we would show up at like Lockwood to skate and see like the girl dudes and they're like we're not skating right it was like no we're not doing that yeah and then no we're not doing that because it was just it would totally was like it was just it was no yeah and anyone like that doesn't know what we're talking it's just a feeling like if you grew up in that time of skateboard you know what I'm talking about right because you only saw these dudes like in the magazine or video yeah there was ya know social media so it wasn't it would communicate with ya you didn't have to be friends with them you're not on the same team why do you need to be friends with them sure what I mean right so before blackout even came out I had my pro board had already come out so I was already like who the [ __ ] is this like who does this dude think he is like he's got a bore he's already thrown before he has a video part cuz no one seemed digital and it was just like oh [ __ ] and then this was the vibe you were given this was the vibe I was definitely getting like it was true it was like a joke and I was like I don't [ __ ] I'm owning it like I'm not gonna back down like I already back down at brick town like I know that feeling yeah I'm not backing down now now like I'm gonna [ __ ] prove it so I was already pro before blackout came out but John knew it yeah I was there to prove it and everyone was just like oh joke and the tricks I was doing like firecrackers and [ __ ] a lot of fire yeah there's piccoli yeah yeah circus trick Oh goof doing goofy [ __ ] and I'm like what a you're not doing it but you look back at now you like that was [ __ ] up yeah the Century City double set bucking ollie tomorrow Century City find the Geno's switch back when they yeah and funny story about that is I had been firecracker that was the first all the out fire card I guess John pointed he's like that's never been done though it seriously is a me and I was like what like I went there the only reason why I got that trick is because I could including we just I'm laying on the stairs on the stairs right I was like I've done it downstairs I'm gonna because I never really flipped my board or anything I'm like what am I gonna kick flip it and like be like on top of the world and everyone else yeah [ __ ] good job dude like no switch flip it or something like yeah switch back on ad yeah just float ridiculous and I was like all right got firecracker whee so you were here you were hearing but also feeling this uh this animosity yeah like I well cuz black labels nothing to sneeze about it's a [ __ ] great company and I didn't know that's dude because yeah and black label a lot of people held it to a bigger like it meant to like the blue collar brand Jason deal rode for G no rope I didn't know any of this this is all before my time and then but I was doubt like I loved Lucero and I was like this is I'm riding was there ever a time where you actually then felt you were accepted and no I'll bet that that stigma was gone no that lasted for a long really because I remember like we're at the the Transworld Awards and I don't know if it's it might have been after blackout came out and talking about the click stuff yeah everyone's part it's a trick not trade show it was I think if sight unseen or something it was one of the Transworld awards big deal you always play the video yeah right yeah yeah yeah oh I think you were yeah it fits into the positive oh okay but in a good way this is just to give people a reference if y'all skateboarding was back then like the cliques and stuff mm-hmm I remember it was us and it was like all the Vegas kids and we're all like the punker dudes but we're all like on different companies at the time or whatever like and it was Robbie McKinley oh so he was on a good one that night that's weird yeah yeah so he was and he was just like saying like calling us all out like cuz it was like me and Matt and Vinnie or something and he's like saying piss drunks or something to us we're like no I'm like I think you got the wrong dude right right we don't know you're talking about and then you just like get more angry and ink and I was like what I'm like [ __ ] you dude like what are you talking about and it was almost just like mocking us like want to be drunk guys and we're like all right whatever and we're not gonna back we're not like you can't just call someone else yeah etiquette and skate etiquette but then there comes like a human etiquette or like worse all right are we gonna fight so I was like approached him and before anything could happen Rick Howard came out of nowhere and just popped me right in the nose no way yeah out of all people as Rick how Scott began stand wait musta hurt cuz he just like came out of like somewhere like that is like a blop was like what and I got hit nose just a little like yeah wasn't like we're gonna [ __ ] right it was just like it was just like all right stand back and I got punch and I was like shocked and like fell back and I grabbed like one of those plastic tables and I was like we're setting it off like oh through it but nothing really happened it was just like we're like we were a little drunk he's drunk yeah happens sure well I think we ended up at the bar the next or the at the after-party altogether just like whatever water under the bridge but if you're at it I went to the Santa Monica courthouse one day and he was there and I was like now let's not even get into it I didn't remember yeah exactly that's like I vaguely I don't even know what it was about like yeah so but yeah I felt that weird okay like being a sore thumb and you know like clicky you're gonna be like yeah if you refresh you're over here yeah over there 100% and it was just like if you didn't ride for our team we don't have to be friends I feel like the girl chocolate I love girl and chocolate but like an alien and those dudes but they knew they were the [ __ ] yeah maybe was so my mom I just got punched by the dude that was in goldfish so it was never like animosity but it was just that feeling of like yeah people think I'm a joke whatever that's cool like you Sara backs me Miller Beck's me like it's cool hmm and yeah so getting to the point of being accepted it never really happened because I would this is like when I was hanging out with Nuge and we had all the hell rows guys and all those guys and then from that it was like even we were getting like hate from someone like the Baker dude we're called the Baker fakers mm-hmm and it was like dude what the like we're all just trying to like [ __ ] and skate and we have a posse as hell rose it's us doing the same thing you did like it's our crew your crew like why and then soon enough we all kind of blend it in and you're got that comadre like well once just a row at the job warehouse which one no there's this way but when the Justin Roy is still riding for like Hollywood okay yeah yeah cuz it was kind of like Hollywood was the fake Baker yeah you know what I mean and rightfully so it was yeah they like everyone well everyone's fresh and then here you got the the hash over here and then you got this other hash and then now this original hash is saying that you guys are fake yeah [ __ ] the musca mix up yeah so okay so now you're you're writing for Black Label you're the pro you do the video yeah you're on Black Label for what three years maybe think of three four years four years and then what happened good Pig would ping starts up no there was a transition before oh so I go into the office to black label everything's going good Oh everything's great everything's great and except for when okay I went into the office and they had been doing like cuts like budget cuts okay I'm kind of cutting people and even at label there's like some animosity towards me with like gagney and supergiant yeah hmm so a lot of those dudes were saying there was like the older pros were kind of tripping on the younger dudes yeah they were like who the [ __ ] is this [ __ ] you don't even know we're about it was like gross oh like how gross yeah there's junior off like get out of here kid and ragdoll exact and that's how it was like oh right it wasn't like oh what's up rags or whatever psycho rag doll right and I was like here and [ __ ] like oh the golden boy like oh the golden child's here and I was like the [ __ ] that about didn't make it yeah didn't make anything and I remember honestly yeah it's just like I wasn't trying to take the shine I was like dude I'm doing my thing I just loved skateboarding yeah - Kate and do your thing you it was a when people saw tricks of you it was so different what was going on that it probably got the older dudes jealous cuz you're just getting some shine yes I'm skateboarding their life and I'm looking firecracker what the [ __ ] I just couldn't all need this - I think more so it pissed a lot of people off like how I had that moment where like oh I don't have to be hip-hop where other people like oh I don't have to do that like I could just like go try and do something unique cuz I would go to a spot like so and so did that that that I'm gonna [ __ ] go the other way they think there's a [ __ ] square one against the norm but not intentionally it wasn't my point to be like I have to be this dude it was just like naturally like were just do I can't quali this I'm gonna all eat a firecracker I can't which by the way guys it's way gnarlier triple set yeah that was no one's even seen that that came out in like a tour video in the skate magazine or a skateboard mag when you came out skateboarding was all it was kind of the same it was like I was doing the freshest [ __ ] yeah nollie crooked a handrail yeah and then you came out a fancy laid before been to lab yeah but yeah it was like it was a whole different spectrum of skateboarding and see for me it was that that moment of ollie out firecracker I can't do anything else like the Hollywood 16 like the jump to the board yeah that started out as a joke with me and shad I'm like dude I'm not I don't want to do anything like I don't want to do anything down this like and I was like what if I just jump on my board he's like for real like and he got like whoa that would be cool and I are you [ __ ] with me right now he got his camera gear and we didn't even have a filmer like this was like [ __ ] I was back I was like in LA or something but I was in a band at the time mm-hmm and like I had my guitar player I had the VX like cuz Jon's like yeah if you go out and get anything linked you can have one on hand because he knew I would just go out and sure get selfies before it was a thing the first selfie over here right so I had my guitarist like and Chad was like dude that would be sick and I'm like are you [ __ ] with me cuz I'm like are you just gonna turn into like an inside joke and I did it and I was like dude that was fun I was like I really wanted to do it I did it and I was like that felt really [ __ ] cool now let's go to El Toro Hollywood 16 wasn't the will serve 15 know that the Wilshire 15 I upgraded I rolled on a board oh it's right you aboard oh that's yeah you were you ran on first one to 16 yes have another board so I had no option I was like I'm just gonna run enjoy del Toro you bored yeah so I went I upgraded from Hollywood to Wilshire 16 hold on a buzick ooh I could roll okay but initially I went to El Toro because I wanted to run and jump it and we got there I'm glad dude I was like I got I am so glad I got shin splints that day like the [ __ ] dude El Toro is a big round Jude so I was like there's no way I can run and jump this right and we were with you and lo deaf son yeah yeah mix up [ __ ] same dude Kilmer's so it was shad again on one of my [ __ ] maniac missions and we get there I'm like there's no way I can run and [ __ ] jump this oh you know what I'm going backwards with this whole good El Toro was before Wilshire oh oh so I went to El Toro to run and jump it and I was like there's no way I can do it I need another board you and then you went to I asked you and no there's air oh oh at Toro Toro when I tried it like I initially I did it you gotta go run it you're always gonna run it and do it like I did the Hollywood sixteen and I got there was like dude it's too big and I was like maybe if I roll on a board about Daud B and I didn't ask anybody at this point it's like this is what I'm gonna [ __ ] do I was like [ __ ] I don't have a board and you ins like I got a board I think my he might have been joking I was like let's let's go and set my board at the bottom which I should have like opposite right right so I'm writing his filmer board no get loose trucks big wheels going fast do so fast and and if el Torro it's kind of like a wind tunnel so it's like got a little movies up there and when you roll up to El Toro you don't see the bottom right until you're committing yeah so if that was first try and I was like I'm going like as I'm going I'm like this board is so fast and it like that film herb or it's like hissing like the bearings are just so fresh and I'm like oh God and I'd put a marker down like like a little twig or something where my board was I was like if I don't see the top of the step where your board is at the bottom so two markers at the top of the board and I was like if I go to the right of the marker I'm good oh it was just it was just like that judging yeah yeah yeah so when I get to the marker but went by the time I was like all right committing I'm like all right let's go let's go when the marker had moved I guess I was so when I jumped in the air while I went when I win meld I was like I'm missing I knew I can't even make it to my board like and I just landed in the footage it looks like I'm kinda you got like 14 stairs down then also I'm like oh I like the last six whatever you start like panic it handy yeah cuz I was like oh I really really don't end it cuz you got that enough time like by the time I think 14 stairs down like what do I do skating time splat like yeah [ __ ] dude and I just renewed by the time I my feet touched I remember opening my eyes I was in the air and then closing my eyes and I was back down so my bounce yeah I hit the ground I was shut-eye and I remember being levitated like [ __ ] what happened and being back on the ground and then blackout like shed yeah he was like are you alright are you alright what the [ __ ] happened cuz I missed it by good a good margin on the yeah I'm gonna be away from your board yeah well the footage it looks like oh I kind of meant no I [ __ ] like blew it it's like people were like what were you yeah you didn't even get closer move the whole thing yeah that was when I what video was that it was an opener for a trans well video yeah what scene that's wrong was it no it was open the sandal video fine for being at that premiere I'm being like what are you doing you the hot crowd nuts I think it was sight unseen cuz I didn't know you and was gonna put and I looked and I was like oh my god I'm in a Transworld video everything just kept getting better nothing I can get in a video for Slammy I am rag doll like I was like that's all like it makes sense and it's that's why yeah your game totally made sense and at the time when you like it's like someone telling you you look younger or older like when you live with yourself you don't really think they're somewhere like oh rag dolls gonna work like right they're just like kind of growing out and it kind of just fruition itself yeah it worked and then yeah from from the El Toro mishap mm-hmm and now remember [ __ ] that mission we're all the original Hal Rose was in was in some town or James Craig used to live right now Fullerton Fullerton so everyone was in Fullerton uh-huh hell rose and I was like I'm gonna we're gonna go on the secret Mitch was like I just we we don't want a lot of people there a kind of secret mission cuz I didn't really want to tell people a joke but like for them they like even say anything to get in my head like oh you're gonna do what like oh [ __ ] I didn't want anything in my head right so we snuck off and then I came back like I don't remember how I left alt or I don't know if I remember being in the back of a van I think we had a Duff's van cuz James let us use it or something and I remember being in the back of the van like laying out and then shadow opened the door to pick everyone up and I was toast and they're like what the [ __ ] happened in Schad shouts like do you just try to do this on El Toro wait what and alright caring would carry them into the house and they're like let's see it and I did I think that was the first time I ever skated with you and I was like the filmer has it something like you didn't even keep the footage and I was like no didn't think anything I went there for the photo think I wanted to cover oh [ __ ] and that photo shad wherever you really I haven't seen the photo shadow number and he was taking a sequence oh I think right cuz you can hear but still of that but because I think with the seizure oh man but I love it yeah so we did that and then so aid that still was a great clip dude yeah yeah nailed it [ __ ] one and done what a done one and done but I think for like you know the fresh dude seeing it like you came in as rag doll and you just came out with eating [ __ ] like that people maybe I thought like dude who's this guy just eating [ __ ] everywhere where's the skating yet and they didn't really look into it too much yeah and I think that and fair enough because I don't think my part had dropped yet I think I here's just this dude jumping off [ __ ] not clearings landing in stair like not boat because it was before the Ollie out firecrackers just like the dude that rolled down stairs like who's this hair ball guy yeah yo Aaron Aaron Harrington oh that's a nickname though Aaron Harrington yeah airball airball airball hair boy Rooker zero it was in a thrill of it all Harrison Harrison Mary Harrington's the dude in New York yeah hairball well what happened with the label label yeah so I don't know like there's budget cuts and that's right you were saying I remember going to the office to talk to John about something and maybe as me like if I was worried about or maybe I just seen quite like what's going on cuz I don't know who they released for maybe they kicked you off first and I was like we're like wondering what happened no it's [ __ ] this is cool to Lance mountain was it this is potato seconds yeah Lance mountain was in the office I think at the time when I went there and Jon's like Oh have you met rags and I was like I'd never met him like oh what's up he's like oh I'm Lance he's like yeah we met before you hit me with the table he was at the Transworld Lance mountain and it came back full circle and John's office I always remember that and he said yeah you hit me with the tail and John just like yeah he probably did like sorry that's Wow legend or the plastic table sure but so yeah you hit but yes so they were doing budget cuts and then just the [ __ ] was happening and I remember they Melcher called me as I did I'm off-label I'm like well and that was my my dude yeah it was when you thought about label to me was like Melchior and ragdoll were like the duo like cuz we were always on we would do our own trips together we're all like gotcha half of his part if you noticed like it'll be him doing a trick of the spa and me doing a different trick like it was just back to like it worked perfect so we never had a battle for tricks and he keep yeah like it was perfect so he got let loose and then I don't know why I didn't really inquire and I don't know if he already liked his reaction and getting kicked off if it was bad towards the team manager cuz I heard like the golden child around was going like oh golden boy ragdoll and I was like I was like is it B to me I was like are these guys getting cut because I'm still getting because my paycheck hasn't been affected yet and I'm like if nothing's aDNA and I went and talked to Tom I was like can we put Meltzer back on as a give can you like if it's budget like if you're kicking Meltzer off can you give him half my check to put him back on just because I wasn't worried about it like back then like getting like I thought I think we got like 1,200 bucks like good good board cells yeah I could live off half like I could live off 750 easily like very noble oh yeah that was my gestures my god like huh I felt like if I got on Black Label at the time I did and there was no Melcher I don't think I'd have that connection I'm like yeah it was just like the dude that you have on the team like bunk beds with Eldridge like you know you got you do yeah chocolate Torah wait so did you did they put him back on no like I I think his reaction like if he might I don't know if you want I never really asked him we were vaguely talking about it in the car but I was like okay I didn't want to talk stories before we talked sure sure it sounded redundant I'm just trying to think also you know back then you know the your your the company's got to make your boards I got it even though even if they're giving half your paycheck to him they're still having to produce stuff for like production and stuff I don't know I'm just trying to think of the logistics yeah to me but I would have made it work if I had three graphics I'll I would be like just give you one yeah if they were really into like the thought of doing it I would make it work but my pitch was like dude just give him half my check then right he'll be on the team they'd easy enough he might have blown up on the team you know hotheads yeah kicked off like sucks a major company at the time like after the video had dropped so that happened so I was like dude that one of my friends like it kind of I didn't hang out with like Alfaro he Alfaro was going out with Chet and like on the trail alone yeah I was like confide to like hanging out with you in vibe yeah now I'm hanging out with all my all the hell rose dudes and we're already living together like in the how like we're at the hip like we're living to get like Meltzer would come skate with the Hellas place so yeah you quit Black Label it wasn't like I'm quitting because that happened cuz I was still like dude all right maybe something in my mind I was like maybe something will work out yeah it'll change then he'll Rose was becoming a skateboard company you know I was like this is [ __ ] it we have Nuge witchy belton [ __ ] Jay Roy everyone I'm living with James Atkin like dude James akan and I all him now and now that we're here I can he can see this he I always felt he should have been on like grill or chocolate he was he was just that like you know when you see someone skating like that's a girl or chocolate oh for sure he was that dude I'm like why are you [ __ ] around with I'm like going out with those dudes like just like to play poker and [ __ ] drink and [ __ ] yeah just amazing like just one of those NAT like if you ride for girl or chocolate its natural talent like yeah about me no so that so now rose hell rose and I was like alright this is [ __ ] cool I'm like I'm with it so I was talking to Brian Young he was like the guy getting all together and it was going through what distribution did like DNA and [ __ ] it was like BAM syndrome he was going through syndrome so I was like getting talks and coming up with poor graphics kinda like under the radar with label I'm like kind of doing like a blueprint work like not being sneaky about it but I'm just like what are we working with yeah I'm like if I do right for that what does this board gonna look like and your options open I learned the business as I went so I was like alright let me be smart about it and I was smart about it so it came time you're not gonna walk into black label with a hell row shirt on No so I tried everything came back and everything what my boards look cool everyone's [ __ ] ground put your name on a board no he sent me the mock-up ah ok everyone else had their graphic boards like in there look this is what you could have yeah and they're like and I looked at their boards and like dude this [ __ ] is gonna be [ __ ] it's gonna be it's gonna be a big deal you're such a terrible graphic oh my god looking back now just oh man but it all got finalized and I was like all right cool I'm on board all the Homa told everybody I'm like yeah let's let's do Hell rose okay and the day I tried to call John to be like yo are you in the office like try and go down there and do it he's like no I'm gonna use out or something so I had to call Tom and I had like make the decision like it was like I already made up like I got to do it today or like they're gonna find out there yeah it's gonna be fun yeah I don't want to be that dude like I already had a sponsor but like I'm already got like just a bad look bad look dad look we learned from Bad looks yeah yeah so I called Tom and I was like dude I was like I have to tell someone now I'm like John's not there like this is a really bad way about going but like I told him I was like I'm going with all my friends we're like we're start like it was like our company like we had steaks in it like it was like we're doing our own graphics were that because we had no control at a black label right it was just like because John oh we kind of just trust that John great yeah yeah music every I was like do whatever you dead --it everything like black out I was like dude I didn't see my part until I went to the premiere and I was like [ __ ] which is right when you ride for a company like that though that you don't have to worry about anything that they're putting out all you have to do skate that's it all you have to do is a blessing I mean it's rad to work on stuff yourself as you're saying the hell rose yeah it's very luring it's very alert but once you get into like how much you really have to do it if you really want to do it it's just like I just want to skate so you got to that point here no fur so I called Tom I was like dude all right I'm I gotta quit yeah and he was like what like it must have been out of left field because I think to them they were doing everything right to keep me they sure the Golden Boy and I didn't like it I was like dude I'm just getting special treatment so I was like I'm just gonna go with my friends and he's like he's like are you sure I'm like dude I it's my friends like yeah we got this good thing going like I was like Johnny I was - I kept telling us like John had to start label at some time I'm like what if I'm starting my label your legacy yeah what if like I'm starting my creation to be able to give other people opportunities so I try to go out like go about it like that way and I remember [ __ ] got done with the phone calls a [ __ ] and I was like alright cool on to the next chapter the same [ __ ] day the same day Brian Young calls me and like oh syndrome pulled the plug we're not gonna we're not gonna be doing he'll roast what the [ __ ] I was like what are you talking about dude I'm like we have my conch he's like and then pulled the manoeuvre like but your contracts not signed yet and I was like you gotta be [ __ ] kidding me I was like I literally just quit Black Label like hours ago and he's like you're [ __ ] kidding me right I'm like no you wanted me to do this like weeks ago I'm like I finally went about it and did it and he's like he started crying like he was like he felt bad cuz he grew up on your career and he arrived for status yeah and then from there I was like what the [ __ ] do I do and I'm like all my dudes you should have gone back to Black Label like nothing happened I couldn't just walk in there just show up phone call serious I walked into that awkward room with Jamie I didn't want to walk in with John so I kind of just let let it be that was like a rag doll yeah it turned out good because not saying like no one else had a sponsor now but now everyone had options to go do stuff so that's when like pig would start it and they had like Sammy Baca lizard and all those great team and beagle Josh Beagle hooked me up and he's like dude you're not on label anymore and I'm like no and I was like I don't know and I told him the concept behind hell rose like I wanted to transition into doing like being behind the scene in my mind I wanted to be a part of skateboarding for as long as like for the [ __ ] getting shin splints I'm like dude it's not gonna last forever I want to have some I want to be a part of the mix like I see like the old dudes like doing cool [ __ ] I want to be that old dude so I was like I want to do any like pitched it to him he's like let me talk he's like do you want a ride for pegwood he's like I got some ideas and it was basically like you want to be the team manager you want to help edit the video like we got all this plan you want to do the you want to do the tours and that sounded good to you at the time I wanted to take it really long yeah my hero was like Lucero yeah everything I saw how it worked and him do graphics hold are you at this point you would pick one II I was like 25 oh my god see a little I may be on the cuff there yeah and plus you've been jumping forever and that I know that and I had a really weird like I might have been like 24 turning 25 so I wanted to get into the business and I always had a weird like growing up on rock and roll and [ __ ] like the 27 club so do you know what that is yes all my heroes and I was like dude like I always felt and I was like my dad had already passed away I'm like I feel like I'm gonna like die at 27 so I was just like trying to learn everything as I could like yeah so it was kind of like a fuel like it was just like some weird thing I had I was like I just want to learn it all and do it right so beagle pitched me that and it was cool the cool thing about it he's like I'm gonna ask Sammy and lizard and all the same see if they want you to be on a team and I was like [ __ ] that's what I want right cool he could and I was waiting for like little kids like Sammy was still rockin rollin [ __ ] like and I was this nervous [ __ ] experienced pros Sammy back in Vegas oh yeah yeah okay so get along with them yeah okay he was like my little brother oh yeah oh yeah but I was like the adult waiting for the kids to see if grandpa can come the other 25 at the time you know [ __ ] dad's coming on the team or something and they were like yeah dick went over there did all my graphics like I didn't like physically do them but I was with the guys like the art department is like I want this or I'd mock it up like and be like I want back when Photoshop was like really cut and paste yeah and I would just like take old record covers and like I want this with lay like the legs with the boombox like everything I was like hands on yeah so that was that was great for a year for a [ __ ] year Wow we've done the video part and you have filmed a videos yeah I filmed the slaughterhouse slaughterhouse and that was quick like that was like that might be your best part bro I was on top of my shadow and sober for a year like and this is your 25 uh-huh dude I was going through some heavy [ __ ] like in my mind like open I'll open up it'll be missing puzzles if like I don't mention and I think like maybe if I do Express what I have to it'll help people out of course that's fine I mean not to get off subject okay or anything but I think the world should pay more attention to the be a piece that reddit did yeah Roger I worked on that yeah oh my dude brought I think that literally changed the face of skateboarding it gave you can put heart in a moment you can tell your friends you love them know that you can open up about imagine what [ __ ] ba was going through moment about something that's not even wrong right yeah like what the [ __ ] people have their [ __ ] problems and for him to do that and for you guys to do that piece and I think this show is kinda like if in if that resonated with anybody like this is kind of like that helped me like not that I it just helps you be like dude he was going through some heavy [ __ ] and he's not a bad person internal yeah yeah he's not a bad person right and he opened up about it and it he got embraced for it yeah and so you're righteously enough yes and it's just like imagine living with something that long not doing anything wrong and then for him to put out that piece I really think that how you see people interacting no more cliques in skateboarding no more oh you read for that team it literally brought some solid everything out yeah literally and I think people should go back and watch that right yeah and he I really think he like Reef uh can you live up late no yeah to where skateboarding should have always been right you know what I mean it was good to have those little you can still be I mean look I don't love everybody but it doesn't mean I can't like show love to people sure like I say I love you to like my friends and stuff like I can show love to other people but it doesn't have to be like rainbows and [ __ ] like you don't have to love everyone but be a [ __ ] human being and compassion yeah yeah show some love have to be a hippie about it exactly so I just wanted to touch on that and I didn't know you're a part of that so that is [ __ ] they should make a DVD you got a webby for it got them award dude that's [ __ ] amazing I think every like the wines are wood water has all the skate camps and stuff I think they should show cuz there's a lot of I have a ten-year-old son if he's going through some [ __ ] no I don't want him thinking he's different or having bad thoughts life sure that is a iOpener to people that aren't even to people that are dealing with anything anything yeah just like open up right and watch where it takes you amazing so just getting on that for a minute yeah yeah and I forgot where we're at you say you were going through some tough stuff tough times oh yes so that the whole 27 [ __ ] whatever but the pig would it was all good we were filming everything like we knew we're filming for a video I was like I'm sobering up like I was going through some [ __ ] I'm like dude I got to get my head clear I just want to skate like this is the only thing I like like doing and I was like in and out I'll just like say a little like I was in and out of like depression and like mm-hmm I've always had like really bad anxiety like growing up like a lot of the label trips like they would go to like England and like girl cross sea and it's like I'm I can't do it like my anxiety was too bad so so going through anxiety and depression and being that dude like bringing up that peace like yeah I don't know who anxiety was easy because everyone's like they kind of like oh you just never here take like a xanax or whatever so I would like take I was like dude I kind of feel good it was like all right but I don't but you're not curing anything exactly numbing it yeah yeah and then you feel worse when you come off that [ __ ] so I was going through that and I wasn't really telling anybody so I was like Sobers started skating like more and more filling for the video everything's going good the video comes out I think it gets a pretty good response people love that yeah like granite cuz me and beagle edited it so it was kind of messy but it was just almost supposed to be that it's like yeah it should look like that and we didn't purposely do it but it's just like it was gritty yeah like we were there editing and then me using a song like I got a lot of backlash for yeah but to me I I was paying a homage to another guy named Anthony that listened to the favorite ban of me when I had hip hop headphones and and in the beginning I was like dude it's I know the songs been used before before it's just skateboarding let's [ __ ] use it people were gave you [ __ ] for using a song yeah because I wanted to set a premise of like look I know the song has been used I'm paying out omage yeah it's before the before they can even register like the song came on said what are you talking about in this song comes on and then it's just like oh but that's the way the clicks were around yeah and that's when he was still clicky and it was like how dare you and I was like right but and I didn't care I was like that's one of my favorite songs and did I skate to him better I'm like no for me I thought van England's part should have been longer I'm like I wanted to see him skate through the whole song right so I watched that part over and over and I was just like maybe I can give this song more like light and then people can hear it more like it was never like the funny song as he'd used over and over again like in movies yeah no one ever complains no we're in a small little and even picked that song out you know I'm sure he did because he was kind of fresh know in that stage I think yeah I think he'll although like videos right Bravo it's a great song I actually don't know that I was just assuming this yeah cuz that was destroy yeah yeah yeah so big to be honest but went to both your parts great yeah yeah and I write rightfully so like I like his part better than I like I'll watch his part more than I'll watch mine he's great yeah and I like the song so it works so if you know so it was kind of a homage but got lost lost in like translation yeah something right people didn't listen to thought I was saying more than I was really saying like oh they'll get it if I just say this little little priest nibiru yeah but it was just Omar's like his name's Anthony my name is Anthony [ __ ] me like this this is a great [ __ ] song yeah yeah like my parts gonna be longer so they'll get to hear more the lyrics and write and it's a great [ __ ] song so yeah that slaughterhouse came out like one sober for that it was like doing good and I don't like it came out and our boards were selling like we were doing good dude and got a call from Swank like cuz I went back to I was going back and forth from Vegas mm-hm got a call from Swank and he's like yeah we pulled the plug on Pig I'm like what the [ __ ] are you talk like I lost my [ __ ] cuz I was like this is happy it just happened with Hell Rose right yeah and I got promised all this stuff like you're gonna be able to do this and that and then he pitched it like I don't know if this is in my head of how he was coming I don't want to make him like sound like he's an evil dude sure who's just business I don't know what the business was but from what I was the picture they were painting we're doing great yeah we just released Y released that video why did we just put all that work into that right and then it wasn't the time these big wheels still have a bunch of people like on different brands like LeBron or else yeah so maybe it was just kind of like one of those things were like a lot of those like dudes were writing for other branch we can again I'm bummed on them like saying hey we're gonna quit if you're doing basically the same name yeah yeah I wonder was pig wheels doing just as good at like what was doing better I don't this is this is still around so sure true but I think it's easier to take care of just sending someone wheels and not a budget but to me what I got from talking to Swank it was almost a dispersed of let's take the pig guys and put him on the other teams foundation yeah and he was like he's like you don't have to worry and I think he even mentioned like you do you want to ride for Toy Machine or foundation I'm like what do you're giving me an option like thanks dude you're giving me an option like I Drive a pig yeah I'm like I already made my choice when I wanted to ride for foundation or Tour machine when I left like got the whole Heller I would have you I wanna [ __ ] implied that I wanted to do right i tawt like so to me it was almost dispersed because the first thing I found out was Nuge had gone to foundation yeah and I was like this is [ __ ] wack and then we got like Sami and slash and all and I was like for me I was more disappointing because I was like what are these dudes gonna do yeah they just had a really great video that was a while sure there's still the Baker fakers at that time like the pig would like we're like it was just it wasn't that cool like that video resonates in time like at the at the time when he came out it was kind of like whatever like kind of horny I don't know how you guys have your the people that watch it there they love yeah yeah it was like kind of like a cult totally classic think that just that was just a year yeah and I guess time was longer back then I just feel like that's crazy yeah so it happened pretty fast and then from there I was just like dude what the [ __ ] huh like I'm lost like now I'm like now I'm like I don't who do I want to ride for like I did not I couldn't think like Baker was cool but I wasn't like I could never be like yeah I'm gonna ride for Baker for the rest of my life like imply like that like not that I would get on or anything or that was even like a thought but I was just like who would I want to like ride for I couldn't think of anything and I was just like getting more depressed and more depressed and this this 27 thing was like heavy on my mind and I'm like dude like is this a sign that I'm gonna [ __ ] die or something like nothing's working out maybe I had my my hurrah like I just did my best album and now it just like time to go type of [ __ ] so I started getting like deep into like depression and I was like what that like didn't know and you didn't really reach out Instagram she talked about yeah an Instagram wasn't around like you couldn't really reach out like any of you said you were going to therapy back then people like you who [ __ ] coot like what like you know what I mean yeah very not talked about stigma yeah nowadays now it's like very great [ __ ] I want go to therapy I do do done it before yeah we're try it and you pretty much do it right here yeah I think this is I'm the therapist so I was going like falling heavy into depression and no one knew it I didn't open up to it and it gets kind of dark I think like I said with the VA thing I think I should say it because there are people suffering from [ __ ] but to me pills and [ __ ] dude like it was like suicidal but not suicidal self destruct self sabotage yeah that's what it was I was on a self-sabotage where I'm like I'm not gonna take a bunch of drugs and OD because then the stigma would be like oh he just he was he was a junkie he died from partying too hard right didn't want that then it was like I [ __ ] hate guns I'm I don't want to speak like you know what you do with a gun if you're pressed I didn't didn't want to go out that way because that leaves too many people with we could have done something is it my fault like you know what I mean so I was like really think like it was dark I was thinking about all these ways and I'm like I'm not gonna do it that way I'm not gonna do it that way and then I just like I was like I really want to end it dude I was like on a self-sabotaging like I'm lost I don't know what I'm gonna do [ __ ] so then I was like I'm just to me I was like I'm gonna stop eating now I was like all right [ __ ] it I won't eat and I sometimes I go like two days without eating in a moment I feel like [ __ ] but your body has to eat I'm like [ __ ] dude I'm starving like that didn't work you [ __ ] idiot like think of another way and then as I was eating I was like [ __ ] man and that's sick mentality I was in I was just like [ __ ] if you have to eat to live like if it's keeping me alive if I eat then I'll just purge after like I'll throw up after I eat you know just rid myself and I won't have any nutrients and I'll just then it's nobody's fault you're just gonna wither away wither away nobody's fault they saw it coming they they'll be able to see the the periods of like damn like something rise up but right and then I got to a point where it was like alright it got bad where even when I was starting to drink something it became like OCD and then it was like suicidal OCD self-sabotage like how am I gonna end it like and I kept doing it and doing it and then it got to the point where I couldn't keep water down and then it was like getting real and I was like alright and then and that's back when you didn't tell anybody anything yeah and I didn't really hide it from anybody so well everybody thought you were on drugs were like heroin heroin and [ __ ] and no and for me to even fight the battle I would have lost it because I would have been like I'm doing it because of this and I was like nope I had a note ready like explain like it was me I was really deep into it like yeah it was bad in it and I started to get thinner and thinner and but as as that it didn't like happen overnight nothing happens like that overnight it was like when I discovered like dude alright just [ __ ] puke up after I eat and then I won't have it and I'll skate you know [ __ ] and it wasn't about weight I didn't care what like it's because some people are like bulimic because they want to like they think they're fat or something yeah and mine looks like I just don't want to [ __ ] live anymore dude like I don't want to put anything in my body like when is it gonna end 27s coming up it's supposed to it's supposed to [ __ ] happen so I'm doing all this [ __ ] [ __ ] and people knew I was like throwing up after ie and they kind of like joke it was joking about earlier maybe they were scared to bring it up like it's it's tough to see someone do that so I don't know if they just thought it was normal or like whatever they thought I was bulimic for whatever reasons they thought oh so that was like the picture painted if you saw from like oh he eats and throws up it's bulimic but I was just like trying to end it and it got to the point where I was getting skinnier and skinnier I detached myself from anybody like I would start fights with my friends so they didn't want to be around me so I could just be alone [ __ ] get away from me the more I'm away from them like the happier you are yeah just yeah like you don't have to deal with me type of just the less of a relationship I had with people the easier was gonna be for them to be like oh dami passed away right you know what I mean we're already separating yourself sadly that you love that a view that were erased you it's like when a dog knows it's gonna die and it goes yeah I was doing that but in in my mind I didn't know I was like right it was all a plan it was all a [ __ ] man and I had not let anyone know and everyone thought it was the eating ishita ng to sword the bulimia and I was like I'm not telling anybody because it's it's gonna happen and I remember going to and I had been married like going in like it wasn't it was like in and out I get happy moments and then I had a happy I got married and I thought that was the fix all and it wasn't like I'm gonna get married to be happy it's like oh this person I mean I'm feeling like I think I could get out of this depression and I haven't told anybody she just thinks I have a eating disorder okay so we get married and everything's good and I just start cycling back cycling back and this is like old like during birdhouse and stuff but I wasn't really skating like that's when I said like the end of my career was that pig would cuz I went to like bird house but this is like ours already self-sabotaging because you were only in birdhouse for like a year also and they like tony and him saw it oh yeah they they're like they probably thought drugs yeah and they're like something's up with this kid oh and I remember like when I first got on birdhouse I was like should I give it a right read the loop I was like I'll give it a hurrah and I did this this is not it's not birdhouse I grew up on it's not Heath curtain right it's it lost its identity like too short I'm like this ain't the same dude but yeah so wait a minute what brought you out of this vicious cycle what was the turning point well it keeps going it kept going in and out and in Wow so ups and downs so I pushed a lot of people away I already pushed my skateboard family away nobody want I started fights I said [ __ ] like I already detached then I felt like fell in love with this girl like she saw like me going through [ __ ] like kind of like nurture and I was a dude someone art someone loves me should I give it a go and I think I've turned 27 by then I'm like was its poulsen I was just so mentally [ __ ] for thinking that way so long I was easy so we got married and then the depression kicked back in and the old cycles of I'm not gonna [ __ ] eat like I'm not going to take pills or I'm gonna go back to my it was easy just to fall in that habit like she's not gonna eat or if I do I'm gonna [ __ ] binge in her or like purge I'm gonna purge everything in my body Wow and then it got to the relationship with her and she that uh if she even watch it she's I've never admitted this but it started that self-sabotage word we were married and I should have opened up to somebody about like I'm going through some [ __ ] like I'm having all these thoughts and I kept it inside I'm doing oddly enough yeah like back then you didn't talk about that you didn't you didn't like you wouldn't even talk about that to like your parents right and mind you oh and another big part this is why I slipped back in so my dad had passed away and my mom was sick for a long time and she was on Hospice so I from not seeing what happened to my dad to physically seeing my mom wither away and right she was in hospice and watched her die mm-hmm that's when I was like [ __ ] now I have is now I was like I'm not afraid to die like got mom and dad right married whatever cuz she my mom had been to the wedding and stuff so she's seen me happy and all that stuff and then she started getting sick and then I started getting sick right and then it was just like [ __ ] like should have talked to somebody yeah and then I talked to somebody once vaguely because we me and I was sabotaging our married so much because I just didn't want her to be with someone that died on her hand it'd be fault ya know what I mean if I died on her lunch yeah if I died married to someone why didn't your wife do you say I didn't want that on her yeah so we went like I was like I want a divorce [ __ ] yes oh and this this is [ __ ] I'm skip and being in that blackout stage we had a son together hmm so and this was not me having a son to be like this is gonna make me happy I was genuine like my mom and past and I was like finding my moments like okay just and before like the sickness really kicked in and I was like I was like I think I'm sorry I think I'm ready for a baby like give me something to [ __ ] live for you know what I mean and we decide it will and she was like yeah so we were like both in our mind like we're gonna have a baby like we did sure enough and I get a baby [ __ ] boy first try I was on cloud nine yeah then and then [ __ ] sir dolly his his name sir dollar sir dollar sir dolly love that [ __ ] so we had him so dollars calamari mr. Dahle like that it was sore dolly Popeye Scalla Mary Popeye yeah his mom changed it Oh rightfully but cousin Popeye is pretty good tonight like yeah and I told him the story not too long ago he's like I want to be Popeye could she change it to Wyatt I have no idea but it's pretty good as well I don't but he asked me he's like where's Minnie Wilding I'm [ __ ] know is a teeny ask mom about that cuz I she's like changed it like out of nowhere like I met another Papa no and that was my mom's - yeah yeah my mom my mom Popeye Roberts dude haha good yeah it's good it's like it's fun Popeye yeah so he was certain dolly Popeye Scalla Mary but changes it changed it but rightfully so it all makes sense when it all comes yeah so we had him everything was good and I felt myself slipping like I should talk to somebody slipping falling into all those patterns again and I had pride with him for like two years because she went back to school she was a school teacher and I was a stay-at-home dad loving it and then he went to I think he's gonna like pre-k or something I don't know like where he had to go to school or something right yeah yeah and the more time I had like alone I was like oh wow all I get to listen to is myself and I'm alone like [ __ ] so fall into that pattern so just to to get to the point I split yeah I sabotaged it really [ __ ] bad and I knew it when we went to a divorce counselor mhm and Anu my [ __ ] my backstory and she's like dude like you look like you're gonna die and in my mind I was like oh it's [ __ ] I'm like it's working dude like all right cool and I didn't say anything and I was like all right like ready like at any point I have a son dude I was not I should have opened up and all like all of that aside just all the relationships I was alone again like just going through it and just it was that way for a while and then I get the whims and I moved out to California and I was like I'm gonna buck up and doing that is highly I don't if [ __ ] dude and reaching out to people so hard because if it's your friend and they're toast they don't know what to say or they kind of joke about it they're like ah you got that like if you have anxiety or suddenly know you got this like just cheer up like you that's the worst thing to say to someone when they're like laughs yeah so but for me it was like cutting off my finger and putting a bandaid on it and it's all good so I went to California I'm just gonna go redeem my relationships with everybody like I was just you're not fixing any problem no and it was just trying to break the habits and wanting to do good in my mind but when when your body goes like that your brain goes like that you don't win it all crazy yeah you wither away like brain body there's spirit soul everything so I moved to California for a little bit with my friend Barbara and he knew he's like dude you're [ __ ] sad like what's going on come and he was like the first dude he's like I [ __ ] got you took took me where I liked the best-case scenario he's like I [ __ ] got you he's like it's he's like you didn't get this way overnight he's like we're not gonna fix it overnight right he's like you got it he's like he gotta fight through this [ __ ] and he was giving me everything I needed to hear so I'm like [ __ ] dude okay cool he got me in good spirits I was kinda like going I was still like really recluse and I wasn't skating and I was like didn't know like my body I couldn't skate you yeah dude I was fragile I might as well have been on heroin or something like I was bones do it like it was I think I was like 96 pounds at my lowest or some [ __ ] do you think he saved your life yeah and it's [ __ ] up because I stayed with him and I started to feel good and then I went out to Arizona to be my sister for the holidays cuz he was gonna go visit his family so there's no God not gonna be anyone at the house I'm like I'm not staying alone I can't be alone yeah sure so I go to Arizona for hospice quail for Thanksgiving or Christmas one of the one of the holidays so I'm out there feeling good like reenergized being around family communicating not really opening up to my sister but kinda liked letting her know and then [ __ ] Melcher calls me and he's like dude Barbeau was gone what do you mean and I got to keep it short so I don't want to [ __ ] cry but he got hit by a car in late he was deejaying or something and he came out of the bar some drunk driver hit jumped up on the curb and smacked him killed him like on impacts in Suffern right and I lost my [ __ ] behind I was like oh my god dude my sister kind of saw it and she's like you you can't you can't leave so she was like you cannot she was like you're not leaving yeah and I was like I'm gonna [ __ ] like I was like warpath I probably would have done something stupid like I don't care about like how I wanted to go out like yeah I was just losing my mind dude and stayed in Arizona for a while and just kept thinking about Eric didn't I didn't go to the [ __ ] funeral I was like no [ __ ] wait there's gonna be all our friends there I don't really see any of already [ __ ] half of them hate me I ruin relationships yeah so now I was like really alone with the thought of our boa the guy that was trying to [ __ ] help me yeah and then I was like dude from doing that whole like having like the accomplishment in my mind like I'm not afraid to die I was like it's time to like [ __ ] buck up and not be scared to live yeah so I was like I was like alright I'm gonna [ __ ] try and get back on track so stayed in Arizona for a little bit and it started the more I started opening up I would tell my sister tell my brother I'm like look it looks like I'm super duper because everyone thought it was like bulimia like straight up it looked like it but I wanted to die and I finally clicked on like dude my mom died I know how that felt my dad died I know how that felt bar boa that just hit me right enough if I have to do that to anyone around me whether or not I do it on my own I'm gonna leave some people with this [ __ ] yeah [ __ ] switch so yeah so bar boa did save my life and it took his like and it's [ __ ] up like you don't know what you like to tell your friends you [ __ ] love them and he's one of those dudes thank God like we had that relationship but her love you hugs didn't matter so it was it was that weird thing when Melcher called me in Melchor being my other best friend telling the dude in the worst position the worst [ __ ] news flipped it crazy switched around and i was like oh [ __ ] and then then you start getting clarity and I was like I got a [ __ ] son yeah and then I'm like oh [ __ ] I [ __ ] up all this [ __ ] his mom we're not on good turn and I was like I gotta fix it right I gotta start [ __ ] live in dude like it's gonna get real [ __ ] tough and it for as much as the [ __ ] I was focusing on diet like dying yeah I was getting the hard truth of what living was about like it's not easy yeah you know you got to [ __ ] suck it up yeah [ __ ] power through it and slowly it didn't like I'm like at this point I'm not like cured overnight like he didn't like get hit by the car oh my go I'm mad yeah of course it was just like something hit me like I'm at a [ __ ] change dude like that feeling sucks I don't want anyone else to feel that way about me like oh that was him getting hit by a car I could imagine like someone's seeing it happen and they know what's happening like with my case and I'm like something's gotta change so I just started steadily trying to get back in like building relationships baby stepping back into I was staying with one sister and I was like you know what I think I should go and I kind of went and stayed with another sister she was in Reno so it's kind of scenic out there I saw snow and [ __ ] like we got 11 of them yeah so from there like just start segwaying and you know I was still like sad and [ __ ] like it wasn't like I was happy I was still like having dogs which no one else and I was still like with the the eating and throwing up and it was such a part of me it was like hard to break that habit without physically having like paid therapy or something you know is like yeah you have to take it on yourself and like I really struggled with it for a long time because I was so used to it and became like an OCD where I had to do it like something bad was gonna happen if I didn't do all this [ __ ] and I then I was like something bad something Bad's already happening if I do this it was such a mindfuck crazy and then slowly but surely I was just like riding the wave riding the wave oh [ __ ] like catching a bad wave no just go up and it's just kind of keep doin life's just gonna keep doing it and I've just been learning how to ride the [ __ ] wave like to this [ __ ] point my crew and man if anyone's like suffering like for me that vibe first bad as it sounds but me going through it reaching out to someone like close to you might not be you should reach out to a stranger who's in the position to give you no [ __ ] yeah like you said or sometimes your friends maybe don't know what to say exactly I don't know what to say and they're not a professional they're not versed in that type of discussion exact they don't know what somebody's going through and even them saying something they think is right might make it worse yeah and so if anyone's gonna listen to anybody but but you're saying Ranger where they have no judge they don't know you can kick listen they don't know they don't know even if you're they don't know you're a leap basket I'm not talking about skateboarders I'm talking about anyone watching this that might have a friend let it like reach out to a stranger right and because they're they don't care they've heard it all before and they're gonna [ __ ] it's gonna help professional there's a lot of numbers out there I don't know it's like what's a but you pick up a phone yeah call you talk to somebody you don't know you're talking yeah that could save your life that's exact like someone in the position to help you not you're not a rate of stranger strain no no I'm not wrong stranger he's probably ya know and [ __ ] themselves and they might tell you the wrong information yeah to me I was saying stranger on the lines of that hotline sure yes somewhat a stranger in the position to help you yes like a someone that deals with that and that can help with somebody like right reach out because the friend like you could have saved so much time and friendships and heartache if you had just I fire what it took in my own like right is reached out but I had to learn from all this to talk about it now for other people to be like dude just [ __ ] open up yeah and a lot of it comes from that be a [ __ ] dude right I'm doing this now because what be a did for him and he didn't do anything wrong yeah you don't do anything wrong I didn't but in my mind and I want people out there to know they're not doing it if you have those thoughts [ __ ] get them off your mind yeah it's the easiest way to take them off your mind is get them off your [ __ ] mind the hardest part though is the first step the first step once you cross that first step yep it makes it a lot easier and it keeps going yeah I was skating you know you that first try yeah you're gonna get over your fears and you go oh my god yeah that was another thing that was hitting hard too is like I physically could not skate anymore and that's dying dad's like yep and I was like this is in then when I wanted to get better I was like oh my god like that accomplishment of like I'm not scared of death I was just like pumping myself like that don't be afraid to live go through some rough [ __ ] later you didn't get this way overnight you're not gonna get better overnight and you just gotta keep going so it's been a [ __ ] journey up and down up and down and I'm happy more than not I'm if I have something on my mind I do it I never let it get to the point where it was at and I won't let myself get there you you know the the triggers maybe and that at that point you could stop it and and you always have to take the then if people say just turn upon a negative into a positive it's literally when you are dealing with something like depression like that mm-hmm you have to take that literal and not just some slogan on a t-shirt like it's real someone came up with that because maybe they were trying to help and now it just looks like a corny t-shirt but just man everyone's got [ __ ] problems doors and when you realize that it makes you feel not that it's cool the other half people we'll have problem it makes you feel like a human like dude all right I'm not alone I got this guy struggling over here with like he hates his job or everyone's issue to them could be at the same level it was for me right how devastating my issue is to me you could have something I'm like that's not a big deal but to you it's def yes so people need to know that like everyone's going through [ __ ] yeah and reach out do whatever you have to do but you have to it does like you have to it's got to be in your mind that you're gonna do it yeah 100% you cannot just yeah so yeah so that's what I was going through yeah like that's why I took a step back from skateboarding and I did some interviews and stuff and being on the show now like I don't have an image to sell yeah I don't have a board to sell I don't have to impress anybody this is just talking to do it yeah I have [ __ ] mad love for you guys the house is great oh yeah and Kelly over there too man I feel bad for him being over there I don't work no thank you yeah and that that's why I fell in love so it was Barbara and skateboarding and even though I can still still I can't do the [ __ ] I used to be able to do but I had that feeling dude one most important things I think you just said was don't be afraid to live yeah absolutely like I I've gunned into dark places myself yeah but hearing you just say that like it was like yeah you're right like don't be afraid just gonna leave your [ __ ] life yeah enjoy yourself yeah we it's inevitable that we are all gonna pass yeah don't be afraid to live in the moment so we're here [ __ ] just do what you want a firecracker or some [ __ ] do have fun be wacky do be a human being you know I mean to show love to people [ __ ] hold a door open be a [ __ ] human being exactly you know don't be ashamed yes like little things like that and being a human being comes with emotion right it's happy sad if you were happy all the time you wouldn't know what sad was if you're sad all the time you know what happy is like you go through these experiences and learn for yeah I didn't go to that rock-bottom spot you wouldn't be to where you are and I wouldn't cherish the [ __ ] I have now my son even yeah cuz he's a mama's boy and like not like and he's got that like having a boy with him like with with his mom was no no mistake right and in his heart he knows like he when you feel like your parents made you as a baby and you weren't kind of like Oh Billy's a mistake or whatever and have that stigma he we've never told him like you were on purpose what he just knows that love and he has such love for his mom where that's even though I'm not around them and I want to be the best dad and even though I can't at this point right now like providing wise and stuff mm-hmm I don't let that eat me alive right because I've never ever once heard him say you're a bad dad or just make me feel a certain way yeah so as long as like the pot like negative in there positive sure he's with his mom all the time but you know what she's the best mom he could ever have right he's taken care of he's not worried about where I'm at we're before his questions and she had a make up [ __ ] when I was in my dark place yeah yeah and now it's there's a lot of [ __ ] that in my past I could have been like that's the worst [ __ ] ever now I'm just like you got to build your way back up buddy yeah you got a [ __ ] fight your way back into this little boy's life like right into any if you want to be a part of skateboarding like doing the show is very liberating for me because for the whole time that I was going through that no one knew and I didn't care because I didn't I was up that 27k mentality right I was like it doesn't [ __ ] matter like I'll leave them with a good story at the end of the day like I don't care yeah but now that I love skateboarding so much and it means everything to me like [ __ ] it's such a cool circle to be with people that have the same love and same problems because everyone's got a problem oh my god everyone loves something and everyone has a problem finally find the middle ground it's so funny that we are all in this world together like skate wise but like skateboarding is a thing that kind of covers up the the problems we have yeah you know these are XK we like that we have these problems and guess what we do with that we go skate yeah but that's a blessing and a curse too because you're kind of just thinking you're taking it out on skateboarding we're just bottling it up yeah and just pressing yeah yeah yeah so and can we do like a [ __ ] run a suicide hotline yeah cuz everyone's had some dark though oh for sure we've done through in skateboarding yeah as well we've lost some yeah that's why I had amazing people and I didn't even know been and that's when I was like and I that happened well after what I had thought about now say good god dude like you can't you can't think for them it's just like yeah it is what it is I don't want to know how I did it what he did he's at peace with himself right we had a buddy in Vegas it just literally five days ago oh wow happiest dude ever crazy I [ __ ] hate Instagram dude he was the happiest person on Instagram it's just that reaching out don't put on a [ __ ] happy face dude a lot of people do and they do and and it's the social media that is emojis and she's tough yeah it's it's if you're if you're in a dark place or even having a bad day run it on your story black dude today sucks I [ __ ] did there and then someone candy I'm like dude [ __ ] same [ __ ] happen try this yeah you know what I mean you don't have to take yeah but you could see people reaching out like oh [ __ ] alright you see that notification button like oh [ __ ] I resonated what I'm not alone dude oh yeah [ __ ] you don't think they're alone yeah that's that's a big and you are don't reach out that's true straight up well dude thank you so much for sharing dude yeah like yeah I felt like for as much as I loved skateboarding I had to be truthful with it sure just because if this does help anybody person 1 person skateboarder or not my son can he's gonna be 10 this month if he like digs in the ditches and wants to watch something old I did I want him to be proud and if he has something and maybe trigger something like oh [ __ ] mmm like if that like I don't want to say like I carry the gene of it because I he didn't deal with like the stuff that like seeing my mom in my dad I think that resonated hard with me so I think like my coming around and I'm not like because I'm in Tucson now and his mom's in Vegas and like I said he's a mama's boy and he's in good hands yeah and it's I face time with all my try ladies I try and be like a good dad I just want him to be proud of Who I am so that's what keeps me going so uniting me just find find your rhythm and know there's gonna be a [ __ ] hiccup once a while but just get through it ten years old and I'm sure he's proud oh dude it's [ __ ] the highlight oh yeah everything like just yeah and you don't have to have a son like it's not like have a son and it's the cure-all thing but it I took for granted like six years of his life being a [ __ ] like in my own head and then when I got out of it like you want to get you you know you want that six years back yeah I want that but you can't get it I just which I have to go you have to get it back by moving full yep exactly I can't stew on it cuz then you just start thinking about [ __ ] that's irrelevant just like be here now yeah six years ago or set that time back then is not you're wasting time now thinking about time you wasted then yeah then therefore you're just losing time you lose not write a [ __ ] evil process yes cycle cycle vicious cycle dude so yeah like I said bro thank you for sharing that because it's amazing it was it's hard to talk about I'm sure with you know you but you've you know you're in a different place yeah that had been eating me alive for so long just even me trying to get back in skateboarding people didn't know the real they thought it was like the eating issue or they thought it was the drugs and right thank you guys for having me to have the platform to just say it all on the line like and feel comfortable doing it bro I didn't have to say this cuz yeah when we got here like I was nervous when I got here and then just steamrolling everything like you guys are a good platform for a lot of [ __ ] good things like and well like I was just I mean you went from a place not even wanting to tell anybody or relative nobody blessed my own and now you're sitting here on a worldwide program skateboarders maybe you're sitting here telling your story it's a secret it's meant to be that's the story that it was all maybe I went through all that [ __ ] for a reason to maybe impact someone else's because we'll get like for like what they like the bulimia stuff and people see that when a guy has it there it's like a joke because I remember BAM had it for a little bit and he was ashamed of it I'm like dude it's a [ __ ] sickness yeah yeah yeah yeah yours may have not been in like triggered the same way mine was because I was doing it for my reasons mmm the reason itself is it's not good run for people don't be like oh that's a chicks disease you're like sorry like make me feel even worse like throw some more [ __ ] pressure on my back so alright oh now I got this you know yeah just hold such a stigma and yeah and yeah you're the like this opening up and it's amazing I love it bro yeah thank you guys thank you it all came from I didn't even know the be a piece so everyone should think be a Brian Anderson he got me to this point where I love that even if I if that store didn't come out I would just tell funny her like stories and [ __ ] right now you know yeah but he opened the door he opened the floodgates man like now we got gay people open skating and dresses and [ __ ] yeah you're like oh we're I'll do that share strawberry [ __ ] yeah get it like in a scurry I'm like oh that's a dude if you're skateboarder you're with us yeah like you're with us and if they do give a [ __ ] and [ __ ] bad yeah yeah they usually feel like if they're gonna hate on [ __ ] they'll get kicked out escape that's what that's insane they weed themselves out yeah yeah first yeah and I think it's just come a long way where it seems like and people are like oh you're hugging after a bit like that it's cut it's cool like it's we've gone a long way to get to that point and if that dude felt compelled to hug ya ya Daniel Lutheran's part in the Vans video is like yeah and just that something like skateboard can make you feel something besides a selfish I did a trick it just like someone else can make you feel so cool or like make you feel normal about you're not feeling not like not feeling normal like someone can talk about something to make you kind of feel normal right just by piece of wood crazy [ __ ] sitting here this table should have skateboards bringing out the energy it's funny because you know listen rag doll right chris Roberts chocolate right uh-huh we've been on tour together a lot of people don't know we spent how many weeks maybe two weeks one week and a half maybe maybe week week maybe a week in like two days or something okay yeah we were we went on toured together we we did a Red Bull seek-and-destroy trip and LA to Vegas I believe was in LA to Vegas yes LA Long Beach yeah Vegas it was like all it was like hometown heroes you know Miami - no that was a different one oh we went to remember we stayed on the st. Mary's the boat it was haunted you know yeah yeah that was for Red Bull and that's when we first met yeah and I was I would my teammate was Kenny Anderson yep so I think Naraku put that hold that he just was like let's see what happens when we put these dudes together but you're friends with the Kenny though didn't you know what you I mean yeah I guess Vegas connection yeah that guy's connection yeah but it was still like he rode for chocolate right I rode for like punk rock [ __ ] yeah yeah whoo I was on pink Widow yours pig yeah so it was before slaughterhouse came out with like it was like a week before the premiere right so I was like yeah [ __ ] they pitched the idea Rocco pitched it and I was like dude anything you're gonna do I'm doing yeah and then he explained the lineup and like I have to i can't miss out on this like i have to be honest yeah yeah it was some character so as me and Kenny we're a team you and Joey Burzynski that's right Ron Daly and let's go yes and then the Philly guys told Pete Eldridge Eldridge and who else was another Philly head oh man I'm blanking Gary no Gary no who do you ride for it even do you remember no because if I was like 15 years ago yeah this was a long time ago if I knew who wrote for I'm usually good about who oh yes I mean Pete Eldridge and sorry we forgot your name but you were part of the whole beautiful disaster but yeah that was good so it was flood yeah but I thought it was funny because I mean that's what skateboarding is such a rad thing where I'd admit I never in my life thought I'd be going on tour with rag doll yeah you know what I mean and when they like lined it up I was like you gotta be [ __ ] like what's gonna happen right and it was like let's see what's gonna happen and it was the coolest but we were also teams competing against each other yeah it was me and Kenny versus you right and Joey and let's go at the same time we're all friends yes so it's like an immediate friends cuz I didn't that was the first time I met you right and Bucky I just remember you know being in Vegas yeah you know this rag doll is you know at the roulette table you know shaving you're shaving with an electric razor at the roulette table and just wit you know hitting the numbers you just snap in and I was like I [ __ ] love this guy I might have had a lot of vodka that's fine yeah I don't remember that part you don't remember no my mom's might take advantage of because you remember they made Vegas the last stop yeah because that's when they're like these dudes are you know why no never I've never seen anybody shave at a roulette table it's amazing you must have felt comfortable like you were at home yeah you know alright or I didn't want to be there and I just wanted to get kicked out so I can go back to California as a kid I'm gonna share what can I do to get kicked out of here yeah but yeah that tour was that was [ __ ] fun it was good times dude this is when I remember you cuz you got the name krob yeah who coined that for you um Davis Torgerson Davis turgidson but oh but I I was I people were calling me see Rob CY yeah yeah but I remember on on that tour like that that little thing we did me you Kenny and I think I think Joey went back to the hotel room cuz it was delayed at night so we had to go light up the sand gap so and we were done and everyone was starving and we ended up like going to to Denny's or something and you're like oh my god I'm I'm about to go in yeah and you ordered so much [ __ ] you let you got like moon you're like moons over my hammy that just sounds cool I'll take that and you got like a short stack I she's not correct it comes out and you're like I can't [ __ ] do this you didn't take a bite of anything right not one thing and he was just like I think it had something to do with orange juice too so Jude here's a you know cuz we talked about orange juice a while ago look at this crime yeah I want to hear this okay Kenny always gives me [ __ ] about this yeah cuz I said when I was looking at the menu I said oh I'm going big yeah going big yeah and I ordered all this [ __ ] yeah and I ordered a carafe at a carafe of orange juice now before this you know the the liquor store vitamins no like a pack yeah with hack of item riot II yeah is that like this stuff the bigger dick bigger no not admitting Lee okay yeah I'm calm yeah boy no I had even a a pack of these you know lighter store vitamins trying to win this contest I don't know sorry milk and so yeah strawberry milk was my thing too that's a whole other story when Kenny Anderson he's banned from the show he'll never come out yeah yeah he's banned but um a whole other story there rag doll maybe one day I've heard about his iPod so I'll figure out the bout the band yeah but um he know what right when I got the food the vitamins started bubbling my guts and just whole yeah I went outside and threw up yeah it just bubble gum bubble guts yeah so the vitam don't take store-bought vitamins before you go to Denny's when you're gonna go big yeah absolutely don't buy liquor store buy yeah what a great piece of advice yeah but we're still it so now you put the the piece together so when you did that we were like what do we were like we can't let all this food and you're like I'll just hand it out to people on the way back to the hotel okay and I was like better we'll have that part and I was like what and you're like yeah because we're in Venice and there's a lot of homeless people just handed out and I remember I was get pancakes Robin Hood Robin old crop in the hood over here gonna go hand out and then when I heard the name krob I was like I think I kind of coined that oh go but great minds think alike when he mentioned krob I was like I distinctly was saying Robin Hood because I handed out moons over my shirt stack and yeah that was that's what I remember from the first time we met cuz I was like the first time we were on the session again yeah then we went to there and that happened I was like I'll never forget this funny dude Robin Hood Robin Hood did you tell him that uh he's the reason you don't judge people you taught me a life lesson Oh without you even knowing it yeah cuz I'm just okay you're talking about weird timeout clicks remember clicks girl chocolate the whole thing fake Baker's whatever the clicks may be right and you know as kids growing up and skating and doing stuff we would we would maybe you know talk [ __ ] about somebody ya know without even knowing it Yeah right it sucks looking guy whatever right now I'm guilty yeah I'm guilty of you know talking [ __ ] about you ya know saying hey ragdoll this right you know whatever yeah you know just bullshitting with it with the friends yeah absolutely that tour taught me a life lesson because the second I got to know you I [ __ ] loved you and it just showed me that you know in life don't don't go start judging people you know because nine times out of ten when you meet that person you're gonna [ __ ] love them yeah you know and it just got it's just taught me that valuable lesson of like hey listen we're all skaters we're all [ __ ] doing this thing whatever like there's no reason for me to talk [ __ ] about something without even meeting them yeah and everyone has done it but it took that for me yeah to meet you and be like this guy is he's [ __ ] shaving and the [ __ ] people he's [ __ ] doing these doesn't happen his fingers like this multiple times like it's told people like I don't judge people anymore because of ragdoll [ __ ] that means a lot iiiii didn't want to offend you by saying that no I like I said I think you you you you know you really taught me a lesson and without you even know that's how you learned it until I learned it yeah you know that's that's a heavy compliment to me because that means like what we talked about earlier is just like I was just being myself like this and you're gonna get judged but people will come around and if they don't they're not worth being around and you nailed it on the I didn't know you and I was like I had that thing with Robby McKinley and so I'm like yeah and I was like you know what I'm gonna give it a shot and we all we were best for we clicked we click me and Kenny made you guys win we gave you the winning vote yeah yeah yeah they got a slot machine oh my god like I got it at my house do you a slot machine for real yes I have it yeah dude that's of me I asked Joey about that he's like I don't know where the [ __ ] that thing oh no don't tell him oh yeah let me bring it over we could put a regular Russian for this episode I know oh man anyways you have a slot machine at your house yeah yeah the trophy the trophy was a Red Bull slot machine because it ended in Vegas ya think I think crisp made it a slot machine cuz he thought me and Kenny were gonna win oh but the two dudes from Vegas gave you the winning vote didn't know how to gamble with like oh [ __ ] yeah well Joey Joey yeah he told every team to vote for he was gonna vote you vote for us and we'll vote for you he told every team then and then every team voted for us I know so Joey we didn't wave it went off of our skills we went off of our you know being deviant I think we all won on that tour days because everyone even like pee and who I we can't remember everyone was like dude that was [ __ ] cool yeah that we had like a little ball and I haven't seen you since I know right when I walk in I was like oh oh yes [ __ ] cool I mean I learned a life lesson yeah it's amazing that's that's cool I think everyone out there should just be themselves be a human totally you're gonna connect with now like Chris yeah I never would've thought we're best friends best friends friend we're best friends now we need to go have a meal yeah any time you come into town bro yeah give us a call absolutely come on the experience I would love to do that how often do you get out of Arizona and come over here do I have a new reason now dude honestly okay I'm gonna be gone a lot so the next couple of months this weekend right no no I'm here but the next couple months I can keep you posted absolute end you a text will line it up yeah come see a show or no show give us a call absolutely we'll kick it hang out yeah [ __ ] give you guys my numbers for anything come to Dona Dona Tucson like it's amazing to sod but yeah I do you'd be surprised really yeah oh yeah there's this skate spot blocks blocks you have to skate shop there blocks yes then shop is awesome the guys that all that means all they're gonna be hi I love those dudes they're such fans I only told three people that I was doing this oh wow and the first well Kenzo and zen are the owners of the blocks and these are the guys i first started skating with that I talked about in Tucson like them I remember you mentioned their names yeah they're still holding it down and it's the coolest skate shop like there's like I just love skateboarding enough like all my friends are doing cool [ __ ] mm-hmm they have the blocks melter has kings well solea they're doing the coolest [ __ ] like in Arizona like it's one of the cool like the videos were awesome yeah and that's the dude I call him his last names Cox I call him the Ox he's just built like an ox and he is a skate rat vx goes out and zen and Kenzo like it's crazy to see like we all stayed in skateboarding somehow and now they're running the blocks out there and yeah just amazed they gave the omage to where we like grew up skating like we're at all like we all fell in love with skater and they're still doing it and yeah I told them and that I was getting they gave me some gifts to give you guys oh yeah you were tough when it you were a tough one cuz what could you wear such simple stuff oh yeah you'll get it was so we make somethings initial yeah from the shop it's I don't want to like no this is a spec and that's really where it's coming from is yeah that's a I [ __ ] you not this is meant to be let's do some give give let's do some gifts exchange oh can we can we gift you some nightclub stuff I be honored to wear it a proud moment I'm gonna pass whatever I grow my son's gonna grow in these keeping it in the family we don't everything in Cheeta though no it's not what you wear it's how you wearing that's it so listen I wear Prowse is gonna become a heirloom in the family ragdoll we grab rag dolls and stuff what do you uh medium medium yeah I mean either small yeah and if there's a hat I mentioned it don't ya don't put it on the table what if it's on top of something that's I'll just okay yeah are you still rolling around bro you still stage we didn't touch on a lot of stuff but I think you don't need to know everything but to lightly touch on it I've been trying to get back into skateboarding Ren you know with all the like injuries I had like I had a gnarly injury with it's called a hydrocele if anyone like really wants to know the story they can look it up mmm but I had that and I was out for four years because I didn't have insurance and then I got it is that the stomach thing or the Goins the girl it's the swelling of your like testicle it's around your test too crazy bull riders get in it for four years bro yeah and it was [ __ ] crazy because I didn't have insurance and I was like self die I thought I had like cancer or something just go listen yeah we learned it dude we learned a lot today and I did but go see a doctors and I know but the bad thing about that is they kept telling me what it was but they wouldn't fix it whether they're like a doctor called to hide you see I didn't have insurance oh so all they kept doing is giving me pills and I'm like dude I don't need it whatever so I was out for I didn't tell anybody about it for a while I told certain people I opened up to my friend Jon heard about it and he's like you just you know like check it out like opened up finally like and from there found out what it was but long story short is I had it for almost four years so I was like trying to hide the fact that I was skating or not skating like and finally I finally got the surgery done and from that being off my board having the baby the left side of my my body my leg because like I'd have to walk like it was like swelled up like how big are we talking we're a grapefruit like yeah I was big eyeballs were the size of a grapefruit it's not your it's not your actual testicle it's around it it causes like a water balloon around Thank You K okay so and yet be balls is it is a beanie okay on the table or is no that's okay they take bless it here we go look good it's got the nine club blessing continue though okay but yeah it's it's it's a sac that forms around it yeah and it happened from a fall I guess I slapped my legs from what the doctor told me to like a BMX people get it bull riders get it it's like okay Brooke forceps but it's also like an infant thing right infants it's going to you when they're born with yeah yeah so that happened so I got it and then got this surgery but me babying that side like just I lost all muscle memory and it in my I guess I got I've been going to the gym a lot and one of the trainers was saying like muscle atrophy or atrophy yeah so that I have a lot of that in my left leg and I guess when they did the surgery it caused like I don't know if there's from before like having it for so long it cause like nerve damage so anytime I like trying Ollie you know when you put two magnets together like an opposite it has that weird force bubble you know super fun yeah so when I try and like ollie down my leg goes up it's so like I'm trying to go and my switch switch it's and it's my back foot so it's my power foot that I'm trying to lop off yeah and switch its kind of comfortable were when I try and flick it it just I'm having to relearn how to skate again ting it's it's close easy to learn how to do stoppies and yeah someone was I think me and Meltzer we're talking about that today I was like I should learn and there's no better time to just learn a new trick is you have to click your tail yeah so and then it was that like I'm saying like like going through all that dark [ __ ] life was keeps hitting me on the chin whatever dealt with it and then I got diagnosed with Meniere's disease which is an inner ear disorder oh and I was having episodes of vertigo and not knowing what's going on have it I had to go get a cat scan or and were you going that big thing and think of MRI MRI yeah so I did the MRI and they were like pointing out stuff and went to a etn ear throat and nose doctor and told in the city's ent yeah yeah nose throat et ins out of business oh right now brags dying laughing wait so are you okay though here so before I got diagnosed with it I had it for like almost a year off and on and I didn't know was going on and again no insurance so and I was living in LA at the time and I was living in a skate house and it was like a bit like debilitating were I had to hold up like the wall to like walk like he's spinning dizzy then I finally got it all figured out and they told me I had like because I was going to the regular doctor like emergency room and like oh you have an ear infection giving me antibiotics from that it weakened my ear and I had what they call it they said it's like similar to a stroke in your ear oh my god all the antibiotics I didn't need were just killing all the fibers yeah so that caused the stroke in the ear which is a blessing and a curse you got to take it on the chin like if I didn't find out about that they wouldn't have been able to know why the mini wear veneers was coming from so okay it took that so I lost a lot of hearing in my left ear and that threw off my balance in skateboarding so I got a [ __ ] weak leg my balance is [ __ ] I'm like learn it but I love it yeah yeah i just keep i'm doing what i can and for me like i want to put out another part and i've already swallowed the pill like I can't I can't do what I used to yeah we I just AM waiting for other people to swallow the peeling like this is who I am now like if you want to see the black out [ __ ] go I already did it I already did it for you go watch it again so I'm on this journey of just I want to I want to just do what makes me happy people see me on my board and after seeing this just know when you see me on my board I don't have to be doing it it's something I want to be doing and it's what I natural it be happy for me because you go through a lot of [ __ ] just to end up back on your skateboard when I could have just wiped that out the photo and oh yeah it's it just makes me happy so just going through all that [ __ ] and finding out your problems there's a solution yeah so that's all I've been doing like if I get dealt problems I find the solutions right I'm dealing with this that and the other thing but therefore I'm finding the balance like alright cool I can't do that but maybe I'm gonna learn how slapping out good good advice right there ragdoll slightly part 2022 you'd be the gnarly slapper no I wouldn't be good at him I don't know God turns knew it John oh I know he's slappy can but it's you you just you've got a curb and your [ __ ] you just it's just like anything you just what sometimes you're gonna do it doesn't give me that fits almost like learning a trick because that's the only thing I can like learn how to do like oh this is the only thing I got now I'm on a mission to be like finding something like I could do that I've already got some [ __ ] oh you do okay oh yeah oh [ __ ] don't let us tell you throw for you guys I'll throw in a citation will definitely learn it for you bro Oh rag doll thank you so much for coming in bredda bull yes dude it's gonna come oh I forgot Roger we did haven't even got our presents yet bro [Music] look at that bro hugs on love in the room should we go first we gift and then you can go and then Oh cuz you want to go I've been having like soup like just nervous about okay yeah yeah I've been thinking hard and long from the day he told me you're coming on the show is the next day I was like I got to get these guys some gifts well just the fact that mines specially made yeah the one by the blocks we had especially make you okay and I didn't leave anyone out so the next experience when L DS here I got something for him I got something for Steve oh wow oh wow oh I have something for Geron but I forgot it so you got to give the address and I'll send it here perfect have them open it on the show okay okay yeah I'm not proud of for sure if you guys want to have like a good reaction like you can look at and see what it is yes you want to have like a natural reaction okay open it I'm gonna be proud of this [ __ ] well it's amazing how could this be oh he's got a Kelly only with our got a bag with that Kelly and a heart drawn on it there's oh that's for LD LD okay put down a shelf back here yeah put that on the side see if you see if you get this one Oh Roger with the ly with arrows any guesses Roger Lee digging in his bag oh oh you know what let me do it let me do the shop real quick okay please do please do so Kelly we thought you'd be hyped on this one so this is the blocks Oh alphanumeric so that's you thank you so much okay mcnair ik Zen and kendo hook that up tell away or thank you guys yeah they're watching I love throwback for you all the graphic oh the blah I always got a toy machine the blocks yes and this one we had just go simple okay so we got we've oh let me just infer oh it's one of one a little one of a kind look at that and you guys are all larges right yeah thank you I got the only block shirt that doesn't exist yep that's the only one that's the only one who exists Robin Hood special yeah we'll leave it next all right bye what is that what is that in there is that an autographed picture of you oh gosh mom that would be something special [Laughter] he's got put together this thank you got a puzzle for me too I'm so hyped on the alphanumeric looking to you know so it's a fancy bag that's for yeah croc lick Rob to the krob Club but I turned it into a nine tell Hank that it's very sparkly that bag alright so I'm trying to open this one there's kind of directions on this one you got it you got to read it out loud when you're looking at like this you can read it so you got to read it out loud okay and open it yeah but that's like yeah so that's just the instructions on that it's the intro yeah so this is for you guys that so I'm just gonna burst I'm just gonna or bagley you want to go first go ahead Vakili first time you've ever called me last day well because it's it's on the bag I hope I got these are just some socks I made I mean these are you made sauce it's called ha ha ha ha I'm not studying your brandy yeah I just want to love that yeah really great for a while yeah and can it like happy and healthy again ha ha I just made some socks everyone's given it some juice tonight hope I got this right I hope I got this right very all yeah shove it kickflip yeah not very oh yeah yeah he's got he's got Calvin pissing on the burial yes dad all right I was rockin nice amazing go ahead Kelly what do you got it okay so we got the ha ha socks I can see that thank you yeah boys very sick they're coming - what else bro I do like I do like this bag that's all yours Kelly hard boy so it's hard to open this with my finger on the one hand what's that first thing that came out but this is what is this wicks I got on some candle wigs I got wick so we had candles that didn't have wicks in it now I got them wicks without a can I still have one of those wickless candles oh there you go getting a wig isn't a wickless candle wax yes yeah and if you see her actually they don't make and wickless candles yeah it is a thing but oil orders we boil oh that's wax isn't that good no white chocolate oh okay what else Kelly what else I got a t-shirt here oh yeah I thought long and hard about this one got two shirts Oh show us man what is that good it's a proud moment yes logo that says it's GT the middle he likes is a thank you very much pressing like but we know you're gonna be on last week whatever yeah you get all good it means a lot to me can I take out what yeah oh do I need to just take because there's other stuff in here the one the one that's not read this one yeah that's one of one myself one of one one of one you know Oh Mike we all had mani hat switch flips switch mitt and it's the chocolate box which I doubt you know I love it you can just point out the Hat you can point out the Hat and talk about it look at that is great sorry new era oh it's a new era hat yes yeah sure oh yeah so you yes perfect oh yeah I have one more thing in here one more this is a yes it's a switch flip switch me Ani [Music] Oh Manny going up this is very priceless Wow you took that from my Instagram yeah absolutely I did my reason why God bro and this my own little Photoshop too that's for you I like that and I took pride in doing all it like that it was so fun you're laughing killer [ __ ] you do incredible job this the show means a lot to me dude like it means a lot to a lot of its people should take like a privilege of being it's a it's a [ __ ] cool thing preciate that and it brings out the best of people like I had the best time being here amazing the best time before I got here doing all this [ __ ] I was like this is the [ __ ] like amazing to hear you know somebody like you saying such nice things like how it like seeing the whole setup and coming here seeing how much work you guys deserve a break every once in a while thank you that's a lot of stuff that goes into it it's insane like huh and I think yeah if people just I think they would appreciate it more but they don't have cuz you guys loved like this is such a cool thing yeah across-the-board like it's a cool thing and I mean I look forward to every Monday it's incredible I don't know if I watch this one though you watch it let me return the favor with the switch flip Manny mug yes look at that I know you're off the caffeine and all that stuff your mother herbal tea okay Pellegrino listen have your own milk almond milk have you put your almond milk in there and then put your herbal tea in the crop box you know just double-fisted do you know what this is it's so much cooler in person too you see it like giving away this you're like oh my god that's really [ __ ] this shit's cool here's our 9 Club New Era beanie that I think we're sold out on this ride you should that so maybe we have a couple left that's a hot ticket right there I'm gonna wear this proudly table listen don't put it on the table here's some 9 club stickers for your yes when you get your you get your audio part going yeah oh and a switch flip Manny's shirt yep yeah theme I'd love to see you rag doll wearing a switch flip man he should it'd be amazing with a smile watch dude it's gonna happen bro it's gonna happen you have you've been through a lot you've been through a lot you've been through you know but the the stuff that happens to your body the inner ear thing obeying the the depression the but you're such you have such a good outlook on life right now bro you guys I feel like you're you're in such a good place I I feel like amazing and like you said everyone's got a lot going on like totally and just be at ease with it you know what I mean it's it's free to be positive it doesn't cost anything to be positive just it's free just do it I love it and it causes other Pete it's like a chain reaction because if someone elseís ya if someone's like what does it misery loves company yeah it's yes and positivity yeah it'll go a long way bro in a short time like it'll spark a room up yeah yeah that's awesome dude that's cool here's another positive hoodie for you brats a great color to like though you like the army lunch yeah army with orange perfect great yep there's a hoodie for I mean OD for you oh here's a nine club shirt for you look at this we got a bunch of stuff this is great you gotta have room in your back yeah okay I only I didn't even pack it you knew you were going you knew you were getting stuff no he's like I got packing anything I'm getting closer don't even why I brought the backpack is to bring all your gifts like I came out with this so good I love this man you know how much I love Larry yeah can I get super ed you have his own Instagram account and they're crazy ya know that it was slow first there's nothing crazy about luck I need to post more on that her Instagram account you should yeah you put more like actions to the biggest Instagram person and to prevent I could barely do it for myself and now I got a cat with an Instagram like it [Laughter] here's a 9 Club Reuter crew Wow you Graper yeah listen go we have other we have other smalls we don't many know this this is all ok seriously you guys are I don't want to be like oh I want to keep that you're gonna mean it means more than you're putting this on the table this is what I'm going home with listen it means more that way dude this is ox oh he's like Columbo over here you guys do the experience yeah I figured I'd give you guys something to give away to the three winners amazing amazing this is like it's not an endorsement anything but I did like a collab with this sock company because they were a fan of me and I was like yeah that sounds cool like oh yeah so they did a sock it's a ragdoll signature sock and guess what the colorway is you want to throw yeah it's awesome Retta pay for it yeah it's made with alien technology and socks yeah it's on the toe sick so it's it's like low profile it's not like a big branded rog doll Raj go film some slappy you the man you are the bank yeah this is fun man that's such a great time yeah the best gifts dude I might take this home I don't know I'm in the background but it's yours you show Larry at least or post it on Larry's Instagram that's true it's yours do what you want it does need content thank you thank you guys all bro thank you baby ragdoll yes man how do we do like that outro I don't know I just wait for something funny to happen can we put our pants back on [Music]

Channel: The Nine Club

Views: 196,407

Keywords: chris roberts, roger bagley, kelly hart, crob, the nine club, nine club, the 9 club, 9 club, skateboarding, skate, podcast, history, interview, news, motivation, entertainment, funny, comedy, braille, thrasher, berrics, transworld, nike sb, street skating, switch tre flip, skateboarding 2019, firing line, rider profile, ragdoll, anthony scalamere, hall of meat, skate 2, ryan townley, las vegas, sk8, matt tomasello, skatelife, firecracker, osiris, black label, pig wood, pig, Slaughterhouse

Id: EtABe9jt7v8

Length: 235min 6sec (14106 seconds)

Published: Mon Feb 10 2020