Jason Lee | The Nine Club With Chris Roberts - Episode 221

well we are back huh we're back at the nine club everybody today we have a very special special special guest mr jason lee is with us how are you i i'm halfway here man halfway halfway the rest of me is still on the freeway yeah okay but i'll catch up with myself and we'll get started let's get started okay all right kelly yeah perfect how many of those pbrs have you had kelly i've had so many right now that i don't really remember that's part we're going to give you money we're going to kick you some cash but for every dollar that we give you you have to drink that many cans oh yeah throughout the course of a week a week start drinking okay cool let me uh if that's the case um meanwhile uh i desire to be sponsored by san pellegrino if you want bubbly water you can't get any finer wow now if they use that for commercial we you gotta you you send them a minute yeah was good believe me uh you'll send him into voice and we will too so yeah that's right both angles hey but thanks for coming this is [ __ ] amazing because um i just want to let you know and thank you for you know what you did for skateboarding and at the time too because i grew up in i started skating in 91 right so 91 first video i ever saw guess what video days yeah 91 yeah first board i ever had went to rip city skates over here in santa monica got the jason lee support america with it had cars on the bottom and everything uh blind board now a lot of people don't remember that board america i don't remember you don't remember i tell people this the american board i remember is the icons board right the gun on the bottom yeah and the uh and the the the it had a gun and a six pack of beer exactly a pack of smokes so there was another american it was like green and blue it had this traffic in the middle of it and it was at support america jason lee it's like a drama of a freeway it was a drawing of a freeway pretty much was it a stick on board no i think we did one i think we did the stick on boards too the funny thing was is like i s for some reason i don't keep boards i don't especially use boards for some reason i kept that board it's at my parents house still have it and i think the reason for me what you know just starting to skate seeing the video days i mean it was all filmed around here there was some stuff in paris and stuff yeah too but i i was i was recognizing the spots wow and so i was like wow they're skating santa monica they're skating downtown they're over here and like that really had an impact on me watching that video and watching you guys and being like oh this is around this is here like oh yeah this is here so like for me that shaped me as a skateboarder watching that video for the first time having your board i mean wow so thank you thank you i mean i think a lot of people at that time i mean it definitely shaped a lot of us i mean because i i started skating in 87 but like i really started getting into it like in the early 90s so seeing that video definitely kind of uh made it resonated for me that i was like damn i really like this [ __ ] yeah i mean yeah and for you it shaped me too i was gonna ask you because i was just following mark's lead obviously as the whole world was really sure mark and natas and you know um rodney mullen of course who invented everything yeah and then mark got really uh fun and improvisational and experimental with it but it was rodney really essentially sure first flat ground ollie first kick flip first 360 flip all of that right and then mark was on his own trip right and so we were just following mark yeah um i'm from huntington beach and i kind of i don't think i ever would have ended up in la without mark we would drive up to la all the time mark knew all the spots even though we were living in the suburbs in huntington beach i was living with mark in his house a little a humble little 70s uh tracked home you know in huntington beach and we'd always go to la he knew all the spots everything how did you initially even meet mark he heard that there was this kid in huntington beach that could do a 360 flip okay oh okay and he came to my house really yeah he came to my house unannounced he just came he found out where i lived okay gosh and my mom i think came my mom said there's a guy named mark at the door or something where he was honking outside i can't really remember but i went outside and mark's just in the street in his car and he goes hey man um you're that you're the jason kid that does the 360 flips wow and he goes do you turn your whole body when you do them and i was really disappointed i was like no just the board turns but that's you know that's that's cool that's cool he still accepted me even yeah but i think he had his hopes up that it was like the whole body turn sure no no it's just the board look at that forward thinking then though oh he had so much oh my god way too much for it so much forward thinking and then i think i did one for him in the street and he goes oh that's cool man you want to go skating sometime wow and then the next time i saw him i uh went skating with him and it was ed templeton and me and my friend mike polarsky i grew up skating with him and uh just a bunch of amazing kids in huntington beach so the night the first night i skated with mark did i answer your question um or no what question i don't even remember i'm enthralled right now i don't want to start rolling i just have crazy i just have a lot of stories sorry i don't wait no right dude um so uh so i go to meet mark at these costa mesa banks they're these little steep banks in front of a bank oh yeah okay really smooth i had skated sadlands do you remember sadlands neil blender was amazing there those tight little planters right lester kasai was all these skateboarders skated there so i had skated sadland so i was kind of used to that tight [ __ ] so when i this first night i skate with mark oh is there the legendary photographer neil blender is there with gonz i'm there with ed templeton mike polarsky there may have been a couple other kids because ed templeton and i grew up skateboarding gotcha um in huntington beach and i cannot belie like imagine like imagine i've told this story so many times but um imagine like imagine meeting that a person of that cal mark i mean it was like it was like incredible totally and then oh was there and neil blender oh my gosh and then a white ford taurus pulls up so this is like 87 okay right and i'm riding a crusty old chipped up vision board that i got somewhere i wasn't even on i don't think i was even sponsored yet from by rocco so a white ford tourist pulls up and nadas gets out of the driver's seat mike valerie gets out of the passenger seat and little tiny chris pastrus with his big glasses gets out of the back seat because chris and mike v were friends in new jersey right mama mom mom mike v is flying out to california can i please go with him pastor says 15. okay i'm 17. ed templeton's 15-2 i think or 16. we're young yeah so the first night i skate with mark gonzalez is the first night that i get a photo that would end up being in a magazine um and that i meet neil blender natas mike v and chris bastrous that was you know 35 years ago that's crazy and then chris would end up getting on world yep and then and then eventually stereo and all of that stuff but i mean i started that night yeah i mean you i mean were you tripping that you were all these people or were you kind of not like what was going through your head i had sort of two choices like skate skate skate or watch or watch yeah you know what i mean and just be like gobsmacked yeah i was skating but also gobsmacked right you know i had to walk that line yeah now there's time you met chris pastors yep yeah and he was about that tall amazing like the big glass you know his board it was like me skating with guy yeah when the guy was 13. yeah his board back then in 1990 was like almost it was like he was riding a snowboard yeah it was crazy um you know there's the there's a that uh great uh uh bob dylan documentary called don't look back the one that pinnabaker shot in 65 on black and white 16 millimeter film it's when dylan goes to london for the first time and he uh donovan you know who's a young up-and-coming folk singer so dylan's like 25 and donovan's like 16 or 17. and he's like the new up-and-coming folk singer on the scene okay um and there's a scene in the in in dylan's hotel room where donovan's playing a song for dylan and dylan goes that's a good song man like he's into it and then dylan picks up the guitar and he plays uh one of his his own songs and just kills it and you just see donovan just this young kid just staring at bob dylan and you can read his mind he's like i'm actually in bob dylan yeah yeah listening to him play something for me seeing mark what that was that was like that's mark gonzalez the guy from the vision ads revision videos the guy who paints on his grip tape yeah the guy that is all of the things that we just like he's like that's the willy wonka of skateboarding 100 that's the dylan that's the miles like that's the art like that's the guy who's kind of paving the way yeah um and i'm skating with him it was really like absolutely life-changing and i'm sure that carries over even to this day with like the skateboarders in each generation you know there's like those each skateboarder in the generation like he's the guy you know and then those skateboarders see him yeah but i think for a bit that was a little bit lost yeah yeah it was a little bit lost right but now thank god skateboarding is so well-rounded it's incredible yeah right totally skateboarding is at a good place yeah i mean you still have people that are like screw the olympics or this is too mainstream you still have those internal battles within skateboarding 100 and that's fine that's always going to be the the case whatever totally but overall skateboarding's in a healthy place yes i agree because it's no longer like hesh versus fresh right it's no longer like you street skate or you skate vert yeah like everybody bros down and i'm so stoked about the female presence in skateboarding and we've just turned bryce pro for stereo she's amazing that was awesome um she's so rad yeah and kind of on her own gonz-like trip she's very like like creative and just kind of out there and just the most beautiful way definitely yeah super outside the box but it's amazing to see skaters like kick flipping stairs and then doing a frontside hand plant in a bowl yeah exactly so remember there was a little bit of a disconnect for a minute right where people would have been like gone's who oh he's maybe just some old guy that used to kickflip a long time ago for sure and then we circled back around i think now to your i think now everybody kind of knows who ganz is now that he was like a forefather if you don't have if you don't know who gonz is you better go do some googling yeah yeah yeah but it's true though because we had a conversation with jason ellis and it was the same thing like vert street there was a divide there there wasn't we didn't get along with these guys we did but there was a respect that there was a disconnect there was no there was no we didn't get along it's just we didn't nobody went around we couldn't yeah but not that it was clicky necessarily it was just different disciplines yes right exactly and they didn't press up and a lot of that credit goes to tony hawk yeah because of the skate parks oh yeah for sure not many when you were coming up not many when you were coming up not many when we were coming up so if somebody had a ramp in their backyard you could learn [ __ ] totally anyway no escape there was del mar there was uh you know there were a few in my time it was pal skate zone so me too i would have to drive get a ride up to santa barbara otherwise it's just the streets here in santa monica and now how many parks has the tony hawk's foundation so hundreds and hundreds and hundreds allowing skaters to learn that [ __ ] and become more sort of well-rounded definitely amazing it's great it's great so when you were like you meet you meet mark gonzalez you guys were you know filming the blind because going back to the blind video you didn't i mean it's like this for everybody filming a video you don't you're just out skating right you don't know that you're actually working on this timeless video that would impact skateboarding the way that it did and pretty much like change the way that we skated you know in a way you know for sure again following mark's lead yeah and mark and spike kind of teaming up and doing all of that together um yeah i mean it was like it was more like hanging out with your friends and one of them had a hiat camera sure and uh spike somehow fashioned of what a fish island to the you know to what looks like a a camcorder you would have seen a dad having on his shoulder at disney world in 1989 for sure yeah it was super vhs i think it was okay right super vhs with like a fisheye on it wow or a wide-angle lens on it or whatever and then mark of course had the idea to get the car and do the the crash at the end yeah in the whole thing and i gotta tell you i as a kid watching that 15 years old i thought you guys really died i was actually really i know what time is it oh my god though is that everybody had a birth year to death year yeah but rudy had enough had a 900 number but that was actually his number oh my that was actually rudy's number i did not know that yeah he had to change that real quick but here's here's me as a kid i just watch this epic video with these guys that are now my favorite skaters and they're dead oh man that sucks but come to find out later you guys are mark they let mark use the uh the jackson five song if we mentioned don't drink and drive wow well i think it's in the credits maybe i think yeah anyway i forgot i thought that was just like we just used it yeah oh yeah it wasn't like that no wait they had to get like you need to ask them it's cool if you use it again my memory is fading right but uh um but i think that was the thing where it's you know as long as you mentioned don't drink and drive [ __ ] that's amazing or something yeah i think that's how it went down but everything else i think they just put in there you go there you go sounds like skateboarding right there but even the even the the music and everything i mean you you guys really set the tone in 91 with that video you know i mean it's like it's mark and spike all credit but you guys were the skateboarders you know you set the tone and you're skateboarding your talent the way that you guys skated it was it was just like to me it was mind-boggling it's a beautiful it's a beautiful beautiful art piece and here's guy that you're talking about this young kid yeah you know and and me as a young kid i could relate to this kid and i'm like this kid's on another level and like everybody knew when we saw a guy right that it was special yeah yeah yeah we knew that it was really i mean to be 13 and to have that kind of focus and not be like he wasn't like spazzy and scatterbrained yeah you know like a hyper kind of you know um uh kind of a loof teen he was very focused with his skateboarding even in then and then i saw i heard those stories about his his his troubles and i was so so immensely happy that he came back and then i saw that lakai part from 07. yeah and i was like why of course he's that good yeah i did he does this front side tail slide and then whips it around to a front side nose slide oh yeah and i'm just like geez man this this guy could cannot skate forever and then come back and just annihilate skateboarding well not only not only not skate but go through the stuff that he was going through but also come back at the level that he came back at which was far surpassed a lot of people he could have come back and done like a kickflip manual everybody would have been like yes but he did way above and beyond that he was his level is elevated oh my god yeah he's he's one of those rare uh you know god god gifted talents in skateboarding and he's still doing it still there just i was tripping easy i didn't i grew up in skating i started getting 95 96. so i would look back at it and i was like knowing guy as an older dude already yeah like he skated exactly the same he didn't even though he was a little kid he didn't skate like a little kid does that make sense even at 13 yeah skated like mark we were always going mark even was like man i gotta like i gotta keep up yeah yeah mark was only like 22 or something at that time you know but of course that was much older than than it is now right yeah yeah 22 back then was almost retirement oh i remember when mark turned 20 was turning 23 we we we were poking fun at him old man you old man and i'm not kidding you in 1991 23 in skateboarding was way older than it is now you're a dinosaur a 23 kid he's just a kid yeah a 23 year old skateboarder now it's like you're still finding your way in yeah it's really easy 23 and 91. you're you're kind of like you're planning your retirement shorter period then you had a shorter period than 100 that's why i bounced when i did did you oh i was 24 20 i was 25. you were done i was done i was like i don't want to milk it i'll never be as good as eric coston why am i here and i bounced that was that was my genuine reason right which i think as a skateboarder and being you know our own worst critic yeah i think that's you know not a big surprise you know because we always judge ourselves okay at that time yeah and it took a little pocket there where i kind of just disappeared and i was doing some acting work staying in touch with pastors but i kind of needed that for right or wrong for whatever reason that's what i was feeling at that time right i'm out yeah i wondered about that because because you when you did dip you like you dipped completely where i was just like dude he does he care about skating anymore i'm so sorry that i left that i never meant to to leave any kind of negative impression on anyone i genuinely honestly i didn't feel like i was that good of a skateboarder to begin with because i was skating with mark and i was watching the eric costins and i i was skating with julian stranger and being completely humbled by that experience which i can tell in a minute the first time i skated with julian and re-thought my entire existence but uh um i mean you know i was i was genuinely like okay well i didn't get that i could have kept skating now again it doesn't matter right yeah we could all hang out with pastors and lance and whomever and slappy curbs tomorrow at home and have a blast nobody's judging 100 nobody says oh can you switch kick flip crooked grind the bent nobody gives a [ __ ] about that stuff anymore yeah if you're younger and you're sponsored and you're making millions and you've got some stuff yeah you've got to work hard absolutely sure but just real organic skateboarding nobody cares yeah anymore right right so that's been rad to see that you know happen evolve and develop over the years that's been really cool to see that but at that point it wasn't so much like that right it was right right so i was like you know what kosten those guys are just amazing i'm never going to be at that level um i just want to break i'm just going to bounce and just kind of quietly dip out and not disturb anybody and that's what i did and um eight years later i started skating again did you really put down the board for eight years did you i did a movie with lawrence kasdan who's a great writer he wrote empire the empire strikes okay i think wow but he did some rad 80s movies like body heat the big chill uh grand canyon which i think was the 90s but anyway great screenwriter he wrote um so i think he's really wealthy because i think he gets residual checks from empire at the empire he wrote this and i think he wrote raiders of the lost ark too wow right so i think he's doing really well yeah anyway he did a tiny a a sweet little movie called mumford yeah that came out in like nine 2000 you played a skateboarder and i play this eccentric billionaire like tech guy who skates so i had to like re-learn how to all the up curves oh wow like i hadn't skated in you know four years i didn't even touch a skateboard all my skateboards were in storage yeah you've been to my store and you've seen it yeah and i i got a board set up it was a stereo board on set i had to push around and learn kickflips again and all that stuff and it felt a little bit foreign but i did that and then i dropped it again you dropped it again see now to me sorry to interrupt but to me that's almost like cool i'm starting this acting thing which you know that's a whole thing in itself is to be an actor and you have all these people around you and like am i doing a good job and whatever it is but then to actually be a professional skateboarder not skate come back and skate in a movie that seems more stressful and like really self like dude i have to if i don't only have this curb right or if i don't do this like this is going to make me look a certain way and they know i can do this they know you can do this right yeah so on on in at off hours yeah i would practice in the parking lots we were shooting up in santa rosa but i'm sure at the same time it came back like riding a bike too you know i mean but yeah after after a couple days i could see a little bit of like oh my god yeah after a couple days after a couple but literally not stepping on a skateboard for four years crazy and then um doing that was so fun and it brought back all these amazing memories and you know how good it feels to just roll on a skateboard man all that came flooding back right but then i uh dropped it i did a couple movies after that uh with cameron crowe um and then in 2003 i started skating again and i called pastors i'm skating again he said i'll be right there wow and i was doing 360 flips again and uh it was just like uh things take their own courses absolutely what made you want to leave though once you're skated or you're always a skater yeah oh for sure that's the thing like whether you are physically riding a skateboard or not right the magazine the the the memories from looking at magazines watching videos the camaraderie the friendships yeah yeah the knowing that you are a kind of a unique breed of humans sure because you've got a key to the to the very unique special special world of skateboarding yeah whether you're physically riding a board or not there's that you're in that world first and it never escapes you it doesn't it doesn't but for me also as an older skateboarder i mean sometimes it takes something to like put it down for a little while to find that to reignite that point or you need to put it down you need to put it down yeah and now when i roll around with my kids it's so fun right you know what i mean it's so so so fun uh you sometimes life goes where it needs to go first i think sometimes you know and then i was skating pushing pushing pushing and then we kind of got stereo we put some new breath in into stereo's lungs and then that was going really well and then giant went out of business i believe and that was a big hit to us yeah and you know it's skateboarding is much bigger now and it's kind of it's it's not always easy running a smaller brand totally and you know you guys have been doing it for a while 30 years this year wow congrats yeah that's amazing you know yeah it's tough to do anything for one year yeah i mean so i've been in and out of it when it feels organically right yeah yeah um since 95 since since retiring that's it that's it that's crazy to me though because 91 is at video days and like that's just five years like time back then went super fast too that's probably what it was happening yeah right but i understand too at that point in time like you're old you know and you you were starting to feel that way and stuff like that um i understand i okay so 1993 was that houston contest there's an account on instagram that i follow called all hail skateboarding and they post some rad clips of of you know of skaters and they posted a uh something a trick of mine from that contest in 93. that was a great contest man right everybody everybody came out for that kind of oh man kareem did that backside kareem did a backside 180 over that yeah and people were like what just happened yeah anyway yeah i'm this is night i'm 23 years old and i'm stoked to just do a backside flip over the what is it the fun bot what do they call those pyramids yeah eric costen would have been 18 and he was doing switch 360 flips so i saw that remember and i was just like what am i doing here right like i'm doing backside 180 flips over the thing they felt good they looked catching them good they looked great i was catching i was catching them you know they were you know i was doing all right but then you see that stuff it gets and you you're celebrating it but at the same time you're like that guy's a prick how can he do that i'm stoked to just do a backside 180 flip a switch 360 flip over the thing perfect in 1993 and i'm like man i got it yeah taxi i got it i got to head out i got a bounce what was your thoughts when switch started coming around what were you thinking like [ __ ] i have to learn something new or like or did you even get into it well uh no i did i did i couldn't really do switch flips but i could do backside nollie 180 flips oh i got those um watching solomon oh switch skate and apparently he was the guy that he sort of started switch god yeah because the original switch guy yeah the the legend has it that he sprained his ankle or hurt his ankle oh okay yeah yeah and started skating switch so that he could keep skating without so he's regular and so switch skating he was and he was also normal pushing switch oh yeah that's a big part of it he wasn't [ __ ] yeah there's that footage where he has the cast and he's going down the sidewalk and he does this switch frontside 180 over the driveway gap thing um he looked good switch yeah he looked good switch um so i saw that and i was like wow he he makes it look really good but there was also a part of me that just couldn't be bothered with it yeah yeah you know what i mean like uh you know yeah for sure i i i would i could i couldn't make a a 360 flip look as good switch it's hard it's really hard yeah tim gavin was too he's like as soon as this switch it started coming in i was just like i think that's what he retired seeing costan do that at in houston i was definitely like i'm out yeah wait a minute what year did gonz leave blind was that a shortly after 91-ish 92. okay so you had left blind shortly after gonz left right i stuck around as a 21 two-year-old okay because i was going to say when you were at that contest were you still on blind in 93. i think that was no that would have been stereo that would have been stereo it was a quick window right mark leaves i hang around because at that age i'm like oh this might be cool i can mature as like a business runner guy a company runner guy and i was like it just doesn't feel the same without mark here right it's mark's company i'm out yeah pastors is like i'm out too he was writing for world and he said i talked to brad dorfman he still has the means to make boards blah blah and so we started blue and we loved blue and kareem and yeah we had kareem yeah there's you know there's a there's three percent of skateboarders and you're one of them that have extraordinary pop where you kind of just go that's not supposed to happen um uh physically right and kareem was one of those yeah you you guys you saw his pop shove it oh yeah sometimes five and a half feet tall right um pastors had a good pop shove it too oh yeah he he did a pop shove it up the box in germany up the box oh yeah the euro the euro gap at the monster i think in the i had a monster contest or something it was not like a normal yeah and kareem probably the best pop chavez i would say yeah but anyway blue and then this is in the days where the catalog was a single sheet of xeroxed paper that had like a few products sure yeah a couple boards a couple stickers and a couple shirts with like the po box number on the bottom super basic super basic and that would get facts to skate shops you know for them to place their orders right this is so this is like 91-92 all very tight the window and chris puts an old stereo logo on this flyer and blue is not really doing well or whatever there's something going on with dorfman i i don't really remember but chris goes let's start another company and we'll call it stereo uh chris was big into jazz his dad is a big jazz writer he has written books about like jelly roll morton and just these amazing figures in jazz and so chris was buying records and and he just loved the old stereo logos you know yeah the stereophonic logo from the 50s or something it's a good logo right and so we obviously we ripped off a lot of album covers and so he goes let's go up to san francisco and keep in mind that when we started stereo chris was 20 years old and he had all this in his mind he's such a genius as an artist as a designer sure so we go up to san francisco we meet with jeff clint and that loss was huge for us and we meet with jeff clint at a diner and and we go hey we have this idea for this sort of like retro design based skate company and called stereo and and jeff clint was like sounds great let's do it and tommy and jim were like let's do it wow and we were up there and it was just really really a good good good time a really fun inspiring time yeah seems like that really meshed up there jeff clinton rest in peace yeah mysteriously one of the nicest smartest things ever yeah so friendly always a huge smile yeah and very supportive of all kinds of skateboarding would you go up to san francisco or in the early days like jim and like mickey reyes and stuff all the time yeah yeah yeah san francisco yeah i was i was either staying in jeff clint's house okay or on greg hunt's floor he had an apartment on market street and so i would be sleeping on one side of the living room on the floor and mike dare would be on the other side of the living room and greg was there uh carl shipman would be there and we'd basically just wake up every day i had my super 8 camera because i was shooting a lot of super 8 film and tobin would film aaron meza would film we had all kinds of filmers with high eight cameras and we just roamed around the city and shot video in super 8 film and skated i love that very a lot of camaraderie we tried not to put too much pressure on ourselves and we just had fun as as as real friends skating and trying to you know make a video that would hopefully have some kind of uniqueness or creative impact you know outside of just sort of what you're doing on the board and that's kind of what we were doing at that time yeah i think it's like it's very interesting that you say that because like i think nowadays and i i like them both i like highly i like highly produced stuff sure and then i also like when you know when i go back and watch like blind video days and stuff like that like just that rawness of like you said like just bringing around a super 8 and it's nothing it's just you filming it's like and then that gets put into a video there's something like really nice about that like i said i love the highly produced stuff but there's also that that gritty grimy in the streets it fit that time it fits that time and it fit what we were doing with stereo i think and you know we were certainly inspired by mark you know yeah um for sure but you know chris was really ahead of his time as a young kid yeah because of his dad and what his dad turned him on to you know um and so we just incorporating that um was was how we got stereo's kind of tone wow it's actually cool because like a person like chris pastrus you know and his his dad being that influential and his music and everything because like as a skateboarder i got all my music from skate videos yeah like that was my library of hey i discovered this because of this video that's how we knew like how to what pants to wear or whatever to wear chris was really really lucky to have rodney smith his god brother oh yeah because rodney remembers started who started shut yeah right he was working at a skate shop rodney was really tuned in man rodney was like listening to the clash bad brains and you know was turning chris onto like public enemy right and so chris was listening to like miles davis punk rock mark was on that tip too like hanging out with guns man is like i couldn't even imagine it like living with martin you know i mean it's it's charlie and the chocolate factory man like you get a golden ticket yeah and you're literally woken up by mark you get the privilege of being annoyed by mark right waking you up at four in the morning yeah and you go mark i'm so tired i don't want to go to the ralph's curb and watch you do 25 foot nose blunt slides yeah i can't i'm tired i want to just sleep and you're so honored to be annoyed by somebody waking you up at three in the morning to go skate and when you get yourself out of bed to go skate those ralph curbs yes ralph's curves and nobody's around but you and gonz and maybe somebody you're so you're so glad you you woke up oh yeah definitely you know you're so glad you stayed up and you're so glad that mark would wake you up at seven in the morning and go oh i gotta go see some friends in la we'll go skate let's get in the truck mark had a big gmc truck and one day it would be a freddy fender wasted days and wasted not you know that song he'd have that in the cassette player or a beethoven cassette or like hank williams or john coltrane or like just just the fun of that childlike spontaneity sure any time i was sour or feeling insecure about my skating or just feeling like over it i would just watch mark you know two years older than me twice my inner tw twice the energy that i had and just this this this uh this never-ending energy and spontaneity spontaneity and sense of adventure and like let's go skate i learned this trick and oh dude what if i you know people do blunt slides what if you did it with your nose uh yeah and he'd right he'd ride on the sidewalk and dip his nose and then pop out oh and then he'd front side 180 and snap into it and then he finally it in one day and then he started sliding it and popping out i think guy had an interview and he was like yeah i mean mark would say like hey i need a bigger nose because i want a nose slide i just don't want to do a bunk i want to do like a nose slide for like 10 feet and guys like dude that sounds stupid what are you doing but it was like it was such an honor it was such a privilege and i learned so much from i would say the two people that i learned the most from would be mark and julian stranger i mentioned julian because but you know and then you know certainly like uh mike carroll and uh uh everybody skating emb that was really intimidating because i knew i couldn't couldn't do that stuff but i was certainly in awe of it you know what i mean mike carroll and henry sanchez and what those guys were doing you know i i recognized it as as amazing but then i just would skate away and go get a sandwich hey man you you guys go do that you learn the switch crooked grinds i'm just going to go down and grab a sandwich does anybody want anything yeah go to the subway or whatever did you skate i did i did yeah i remember the first time i went to emb i was looking at the wrong side of the gons gap no isn't there a shorter side if you go that way oh if you're going the other way if i'm not mistaken i was like that's not a big deal oh yeah and somebody goes no no it's right there and i was like that's a big deal that's a big deal with a nose that small right and it's the first vision board with the weird cut out tail yeah and he always that thing and he i think he was like 16 years old and it wasn't like a straight it was like like you had the yeah it was straight when you're going towards it but when you land you're landing like at a diagonal so it's like and there's not much room to push no did you ollie i didn't never did i looked at it yeah i did too yeah never all eat i i never i never saw in person but was it legi legit like to this day would still be really big you think no you don't think so you know the evolution of skateboarding yeah it's crazy well it's just like waldenberg like was all in that you know back in the day ollie in 91 was so gnarly he pushed down the street yeah like he took a taxi up the hill like 15 minutes later he finally starts arriving that's how far he had to push from right the gates open and it it felt like such a long ollie he had to grab and hold onto the board just to make it yeah yeah and that was just mark yeah mark was as fearless as like a pat duffy right or a sean young who used to bomb those hills in san francisco in the rain apparently on lsd oh yeah and there's that one hill with the guard rail and he always over the guard rail and then bombs the hill sean young anyway speaking of the hills so i'm learning 360 flips and stuff in in huntington beach i'm 17 years old 1987. and i go up to san francisco and skate with julian stranger and i'm going down a hill in san francisco with julian stranger which was mistake number one i'm on like a little sma rocco board and i'm doing my kickflips and i'm thinking i'm all cool because i can do like a kickflip detail on a bench and and julian with loose trucks probably not wearing any socks and just carving down this hill and i'm dragging my foot this is this is full confession right here right i'm dragging my foot because i'm terrified because in huntington beach the only hills are curb cuts yeah exactly do you know what i mean yeah you're doing backwards you go out of those yeah yeah you don't go down you know you go out of him on the flat ground yeah so i get down the hill after dragging my foot for what felt like 23 minutes and julian is sitting on his board at the bottom of the hill like this just waiting for me and julian's a sweet dude so i don't think he was judging me if he was i'm okay with that because he's julian and that really genuinely humbled me seriously i was like i need to skate faster and then and then skating with mark like that was like okay mark is the kind of guy that can pick up anybody's board and like grind a handrail right right you know what i mean it's like the creativity mixed with the fast the fastest the looseness you know that that was something i did not have i think we've all held our foot dragging going down a hill before you know it's not yeah so i would say you know like uh mark julian um and uh uh seeing pat duffy do the backside lip slide in the rain down the road yeah i was kind of like i i think i i'm gonna give this thing a few years and then i'm going to bounce because i don't have what these guys have speaking of bouncing and stuff you said you kind of like retired in 95-ish you know were you already like when did the act do were you already thinking about acting and stuff like that because here's what i feel rats you had done my rats already yep and then the next year i did like my farewell board okay so i did mall rats in 94. but were you like trying to like pursue that at that time or was it that just kind of happened or were you yeah yeah yeah okay i had i had a friend who got me into some meetings here and there and i wasn't very good i would i auditioned for some commercials and a couple tv shows and i was terrible um but i feel like well sorry to interrupt i feel like watching the blind video you were like super confident and like good in front of the camera like you know doing your little singing and 75 for a handrail you know i mean like really comfortable yeah but when you get dialogue though and it's a it's a real movie set it's really really intimidating my very first day of filming on mall rats i couldn't help but feel the camera there i'm sure i'm sure like it's a full-on crew it's crew trucks it's geared it's equipment trucks it's screen actors guild it's unions it's light's camera action it's the real thing and i couldn't help but feel like you know uh oh dude that brilliant tim burt movie uh pee-wee's big adventure oh remember peewee has the cameo at the end paging mr herman mr and he's looking into the camera yeah he's trying not to look into the camera that was me on my first day of mole rats yeah that's right but yeah i was i was into it i was watching a lot of movies at the time and that again came from mark mark was the one who turned me on to movies like paris texas that would go on to inspire my photography the photography and that made like mark was watching incredible films and he was really ahead of the curve in terms of like an overall creative person that had fingers in a bunch of things you know a bunch of mediums and disciplines and and and and sources of inspiration right came out in a skating man it came out in his skating for sure that's true so um uh so i i was into it i i was watching a lot of movies and i wanted to kind of try acting because i thought it would be interesting yeah i was really into cone brothers and i was a big steve buscemi fan and i just kind of was into that weird movie world you know got you um and then um i got an audition for mall rats and it some randomly strangely somehow got got got a part in it amazing which was kind of a i don't know how that happened but it happened that's a cult movie man i mean yeah it was totally sure it just was a disaster when it came out it completely bombed a lot of those movies though yeah yeah they come back around almost famous didn't do very well when it came out but now that's another cult classic yeah that's an amazing director cameron crowe yeah almost was that the the first time like you were a lead in something or was that no that was an ensemble oh okay all right what about chasing amy that was 97 okay yeah wow yeah that was uh yeah i don't think i've ever really had a lead yeah but you weren't but you were like the guy in that movie yeah you were like the oh earlier almost a show called my name is earl i forgot about that [Laughter] that was the thing my name is earl premiered 17 years ago wow that just hit me the other day but you know what though like it felt like it just came out 17 years ago my son was one we're two yeah this big kid that came in here right now my son yeah he's so tall and he's eight he just gave you a high five and a yeah and he has a beard yeah yeah he's got the 360 flip now he has someone good to learn from him you've got a good one too jeans you know yeah probably the jeans yeah he's got the three that was the big one like when you make the 360 flip you can continue being my son right if you can never land a three six about that time yeah i'm out so he he he he got it down amazing so he's still my son i want to talk about your threesomes but really quick yeah like what when 360 was back then weren't done too often i would say right only rodney mullen had done it right so you how what was your inspiration how did you get better i mean like i don't know i i have some a different way of looking at it yeah i grew up watching you uh-huh josh kayla's do it i got to learn oh he had a good one oh nick jones does anybody remember nate jones's 360 flip yes right now yeah honestly echo i i'll put this i'll put this out there he's kind of like the he was the newer version of you skating when you kind of left i feel like nate jones had this style like he was a backside guy like me yeah i wasn't a good frontside guy i would watch andrew reynolds front side 180 flips and just get angry right yeah but he had he did really great backslide flips really good 360. and he had that that bow legged kind of poppy goofy foot style very flowy yeah yeah yeah he had a good 360 and jovante man oh yeah can we talk about jovante's style yeah damn talk about style yeah jovan he he remember he'd hunch jovante would kind of hunch up a little bit and get ready to just annihilate you skip out and you'd be like joe joe but back then too i mean style was almost everything back then it was it was it was very important but also the style yeah uh i got to answer your question rodney was invented the 360 flip everybody knows that um i think i don't remember cons feeling like it was a 360 flip yeah if i saw it because he was doing so many flip tricks and that was the sort of the freestyle category if that makes sense yeah yeah we we knew that he was absolutely phenomenal this skateboarder i was doing 180 varial flips because people were doing those on street boards already obviously mullen was probably the first to do that and then in my backyard i had a little uh slat of concrete and i would learn some tricks that's probably why i was so couldn't go down that hill with julian because most of my trick learning like mullen was on a slat of concrete in the backyard yeah but then i got that then i started skating christian's ramp and that really helped her so when i started skating transition that helped the skating too oh but anyway so i over i was over rotating the varial flips and i was like oh i could get it all the way around i don't know that i had seen mullen do a 360 flip or if i had i'd i don't think i would have equated it to a 360 flip right it may have just been a another sort of flippy trick that he was doing as a freestyler because if you saw his routines he was doing stuff oh yeah yeah yeah does that make sense maybe subconsciously i was like oh three but in your own mind at the time were you feeling like you were the only one that was doing that i was yes that was a street board anyway right right right that's why mark tried to set them out and find him exactly so i'm talking to my friend mike polarsky whom i brought up earlier because he was one of the kids that i was growing he he um i don't have my phone but he goes hey i just want to remind you that you landed your first 360 flip in 87 uh uh under the huntington beach pier and i was there with you and i don't remember that i remember i remember working on them in my mom's backyard okay the over-rotated 180 varial flips right and apparently according to polarsky the first land was under the huntington beach pier wow wow on some like shitty big early 90s or no late that would have been a late 80s street board it's funny how some things stick out in your mind compared to other people's minds you know i would not have recalled that no i would not have recalled that that's funny yeah that's so wild dude i mean that's one of my favorite tricks and it's so amazing to hear kind of the where it came from where it started so thank you all credit to mullen for all of this i mean gonz isn't kick flipping without mullen yes but he's kick flipping on a street board yeah do you know what i mean so all credit to you know of course tony hawk rodney mullen those guys and then you've got later on you've got the danny ways and the collins right taking things to a different building building yeah exactly building on it and so everybody starting with guns and not as we're building on mullen right and then we were kind of building on guns and and you know it's yeah it's so incredible because so many things were happening but like that's a small community of people yeah right especially then right yeah there were a handful of pro skaters back then yeah doing really well mm-hmm it is it is it's the best feeling the pop yeah i've noticed something people don't seem to like the pop as much on the 360 flip it depends you know when it smacks up against your feet and it echoes in the alleyway nearby best feeling ever here's i see the 360 flips these days and i see a little dangle i was going to say the foot dangle what's up with the foot dangle i don't know but i don't like it okay so the whole point of any trick that leaves your feet is to manipulate it in such a way that when it returns to said feet it goes like this yeah exactly i'll pop shove or when you're do you know you do like a a big gone style front side 180 olly on the as you're going down a hill you want to smack those wheels down as hard as you can yeah you do a kick flip off a curb cut pow you want it to pop up at your feet and hear that noise hear that cow on a on a 360 flip it's the best pow there ever is right it really is so i've seen a lot of 360 flips without the power power yeah and i'm like i hope the pal comes back i hope it does there's a few pals out there right okay but there was a period of time just recently where the back foot dangle was a thing yeah and it used to be let's get the pow as loud as we can and the 360 flip as high as we can then i feel like it became let's see how long we can keep the back foot off right before we have to put it back on before we crash but i think totally but i think we're seeing that kind of fade away a little bit there's still kind of some people who do it but for a while it was something that everybody was doing you know and i think it's thank god because i wasn't a big fan of that i think it's going back to the pow so we'd hashtag bring back the power no hashtag right hashtag bring back the past hashtag let's leave the dangle for another day you know but there was like i bring up josh kaelis again he really did have the powell oh he did he did he brought it up and that's why i was like i want to learn it like that and i realized kind of like where it all came from it all came kind of from you that's why i want to say thank you oh wow man no need to thank me but that's really rad to see wow yeah i thought that was really cool but there is there's there's some pal tiego thiago lamos uh-huh he's got powell capaldi yeah like there's there's still pal yeah there's some cow in the air yeah i love the pal yeah that was great will you talk about the pow in every episode moving forward henceforth yeah yeah we're gonna get that we're gonna get that trademarked right now yeah exactly yeah bring it back you know who really tried to replicate yours is mike york he but he always like definitely when he does his he's like this is a jason oh man it's all about the pal yeah but you know what's right about york too he has a special unique beautiful way of his trey flips that are like very quick no one he doesn't do like any like no one does it like him right right it's very you see him doing like oh that's mike york he's even done two tray flips in a line he'll like do one tray flip then do another flip and then go on with this like he's like he's really good at him he's really there's a good there's a good trick it's a good trick there's a few tricks that i like in skateboard it's like tray flips look beautiful like crooked grinds front crooks like certain things i'm just like that just looks you don't need anything else you don't need to flip out or you don't need just do that it's just great keep it clean you believe in me you're okay you're gonna be okay man yeah you know you're gonna be okay do you keep up with a lot of the skateboarding on instagram on instagram on instagram i watch a lot of skateboarding yeah because here's the thing me as older guy yeah i i like this new skateboarding i get i get i do get hyped off of it yep but nothing really talks to me as much as like the you know the older videos the plan b's and the stuff in my generation that i think for good rewind i think for a good reason anybody who's skating for fun yeah it's going to register yeah anybody's skating because the just the pleasure of the pal right the sheer joy of the pal the way tricks feel skating with your friends and you don't feel that pressure on them and they're genuinely just kind of you feel their personality it shows in their skating yeah that is 100 that's why a lot of the skateboarding that you're sort of identifying with stands out to you because obviously there's a lot more pressure in skateboarding now yeah yeah and maybe with that comes a slight loss to varying degrees of like the funness yeah and maybe we're not sensing as much that could i could be wrong but the funness the spontaneity the just the the you know maybe we're missing a little bit of that i i don't know but i i am happy with the well-roundedness in skateboarding yeah it's just blows my mind but yeah i think you're right that it's maybe that maybe there could be i'm stoked when i see crazy talented skateboarders who are young and super sort of tech driven and tech savvy smiling laughing having fun doing man slapping curbs hanging out with their their friends that makes me happy yeah you know what i mean that makes me happy i agree i agree i mean i could get stoked you you get stoked off of the energy right like somebody pushing down the street and they're into it they're having fun and you just drive by you're like dude that guy yeah but going back to the nowadays there's a lot of pressure in skateboarding and i feel like some of the pros nowadays when they do retire it takes a weight off of them and they skate better than they do than they did before you know it's like that way yeah yeah but did you guys back then like blind video days stuff like that was there any pressure involved with any of that stuff just uh self-imposed pressure that's it yeah just self yeah yeah right so there wasn't like yeah i gotta film this video and listen i went through i went through insecurities like any other skateboarder yeah right i'm hanging out with guns i'm never going to be that good and i'd get down on myself and if i don't learn all the tricks does that mean i suck i mean i went through pockets of that right i think everybody did for sure yeah you're your own worst critic right they won't say that so you know but that's this is over this is 30 something years ago yeah you know like it's just a different person yeah yeah i don't really i mean it's like decades ago what was it like filming back then that how long did you film blind video days for like there was not that long like what couple of people wouldn't be filming something and go like let's i'm hungry let's go eat like it wasn't like you didn't set up filming like a movie scene right yeah i mean no not like how it is now yeah you would just you know go skate and spike would be there or somebody else would be filming guy would film or i would film pastors films and stuff amazing for video it was just like just the friends hanging out and not a lot of i mean there certainly was like i want to get good tricks and even mark had that discipline as as sort of beautifully aloof as he is he was also very disciplined well and there was like he would go out at night too there's a lot of night footage that have had to have been set up and like let's go you know sure at the hit the end part where he does the double kink santa monica right now in 1991 i mean that was a gnarly barley handrail he's wearing the same clothes he got all that stuff the last few days of filming wow where he does that front side 50 50 and then he goes to front side board side on the next oh yeah yeah yeah amazing i've always wondered where that underground was i wanted all that stuff like in the last few days wow and then he always up the bench and then does the board slide to front side shove it out and then all he's over the extension cord dude he had to plug a light in all that like it's like it's it's jazz it's improvisational right it's so loose and just like he's winging it yeah i like that type of skateboarding that's always been uh i've always been fond of that because it's not like you you're not thinking that you're going out and you're just kind of just flowing with the breeze you know oh yeah i want to skate this spot i don't know we're going to set up a little light but i don't know really we're going to prop some benches up and because sometimes they like have a session yeah it backfires when you think about something so much like you know like you don't really sometimes don't get that right yeah but going out and just [ __ ] carefree i love that [ __ ] yeah that's definitely mark for sure marcus yeah i mean those were the times back then yeah i mean that was my era like starting in 91 and growing up and seeing all this stuff happen and again it was happening so quick how old were you in 91 15 15. yeah kind of started late skateboarding but everything was happening so fast it was like blind video plan b the other plan b video it was like imagine crazy imagine like 86 you know or like imagine 85 like bonelesses over like parking lot curbs and like [ __ ] hand plants and plants and like you know like lay back slides on banks like rad kind of old-school skating the window between that and constant doing switch 360 flips is tiny yeah it's that like from the 40s to the 60s because because people were skateboarding in the 40s in the 50s planks roller skate wheels whatever like from the 50s or 60s like to the it was such a massive window of no progression right yeah totally and then a tiny window with crazy amounts of progression yeah the early nights oh yeah early 90s those videos those planets that would come out i mean there was and then another one would come out and you're just going to see the vision videos that the vision promo videos that mark put out in the 80s i never saw that the airport banks grant has a lot of photos there there's the curb on top 1986 mark is doing uh like alley-oop lip slides on that thing like goofy foot your goofy foot like a backside you know you go up front side but you what is that a 270 or whatever you do a back side like three and then you lip slide and come in that's amazing mark's doing this stuff in 1986 he's doing kick flips on street boards it's insanity he's doing front side board slides on curves for days you know what i mean like in 19 and like that was where did that come from all those contests that were happening at that time too like um savannah slammer and holiday havoc um i think in savannah slamming he was doing some [ __ ] that i was like what the [ __ ] is he doing switch method grab off that's what it was switch watch this stuff when we're done yeah yeah yeah it's true mark guns goes up to the jump ramp and he's riding backwards and grabs like it would be a stale fish and it looks cool and he does a switch method error off the jump round nothing nobody commented on it because nobody knew what that what it was so well it was just keep going like like it looked like a backwards like he was rolling up to the ramp backwards and he did it was it was technically a switch early grab method air off the jump ramp super uncomfortable man in the 80s like just like oh wouldn't it be cool if i rode up to the thing backwards and grab the board with my the wrong hand and i did it backwards that would be fun and he probably never did it again and never did it before that oh yeah the first time ever and it was just so ahead of its thing like nobody even it didn't even register wow when mark did it you know and are you watching these videos the video when it comes out you weren't there so the contest happened my local shop had these videos the vhs tapes and you would just sit there yeah on some dingy couch and you'd watch the vhs tape and just like yeah yeah and so what i'm saying so you're watching it months after it happened like live possibly i don't know how fast these videos like that's right no instant exposure or gratification so you're in there watching this [ __ ] that's been done a year ago yeah and people are tripping on it then and you're just tripping on it now but that's been yeah it's crazy man i think there's um there's a photo grant may have taken it when mark is 14 and he's got braids in his hair i think and he's 14 years old and he's writing for alva at the time and he has a board that has no nose and it's a you know it's like a block about that high like a bench about that high and he's he ollied up to it and did like just like a front side pivot on it and it's a rad photo looking up i think okay so that would have been like 1984 mark was ollying up and doing like pivot stalls on [ __ ] you know crazy man anyway notice could ollie over things and he was the first one i saw to do a one foot ollie people call those ollie north oh yeah i never heard that is it an ollie north carolina definitely heard ollie north for sure yeah i always thought it was just a one foot ollie yeah i heard well i grew up with it one foot and now it's all in northern north because what are you putting your foot up in the north but what if you're going south like i don't know backflip yeah it should be west or east yeah because the foot goes right out front right it doesn't go to the north that's very true unless you have a weird-looking one-foot ollie you know what i mean at the time like it's more like a karate yeah what was that rash those were fun at that time um ollie north was on trial i believe oh we said at that time ollie north was on trial over north oliver north at the iran was it iran contract oh oliver north oh yeah what did that have to do with your skateboard for you ollie no idea we're gonna name this one phrase who knows he didn't have one foot you know what should have been on trial the pressure flip oh did you ever get into this never did it thank you i had a pressure flip phase pressure flip was like the gluten free kick flip pressure flip was like it was like the vegetarian kickflip there was like why do a pressure flip when you can actually hit your tail it's more of a pow yeah there's no you couldn't power with the pressure flip it's a separate crusher flip is powerless yeah pow i do know what i saw a good one cater did one in his last little adidas part this came out oh yeah best practice he pouted it yeah he pretty he kind of pouted it there is something but like it was the first time i've ever seen that but when the pressure flip came sorry but when the pleasure flip came in into town it was just one of those tricks you just learned it really quick and it was just it was just an easy thing it took no energy you got a good one huh i bet you had a good one i would do like pressure flip to manuals and like stuff like that because it was just one of those things you could just bust it out yeah you know okay but it did make it its appearance and it did leave just as quickly it did it kind of came and went still here they're still here everything's exciting you're right yeah you're right you brought a good point there is no pal or there hasn't been any pound that trick for a very long time yeah i don't know if there's a few people you're talking about cater gator is the only one i saw recently do you know what john you know what i'm talking about i didn't see that but i've seen some of that kid's footage it's incredible he's amazing yeah he's amazing so i thought it was cool to see that finally when you watch someone do something good you're like oh wow that's the way it was supposed to be done yeah but trying to see i could i can accept that one yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah stevie williams on this show oh yeah i'm gonna i want to watch that episode we're talking about pow and pop oh he should be in the same sentence yeah the the the love park stuff oh my god right what's the footage where he does the switch pop shove it he just and then he pushes up and does uh what is he he does something a grind after that on one of it might have been a chocolate video oh maybe but like he's just pushing to go to the store to get eggs he does a switch pop shove it am i mistaken no no roger he doesn't switch pop shove it that's like five feet high yeah yeah and then he has that slow relaxed push and he does a switch pop shove it that's literally so tall and then he's just and then he does that slow confident relax but he doesn't and he's just flowing like he owns the the world around him well that's what's great about that footage too is that like you could tell in the footage he has no idea what he's going to do that's what i'm doing he's like he starts pointing so i'm gonna go over there and you're like he had that improv improvisational vibe yeah yeah like he it didn't seem like he had planned out the line right mm-hmm totally oh oh that looks good all right let me push and that guy's still filming him yeah yeah all right i'll do it come over there all right oh yeah maybe i'll try it that loose confident improvisational thing i love that and the filmers the filmers being improvisational as well because you're you have to just you're not anywhere else i'm talking about skateboarding oh it's the best it's the best it's the roundest ever i still have some coffee and i still have san pellegrino perfect if i hadn't mentioned already if you want uh a nice crisp refreshing bubbly water with no sour aftertaste try san pellegrino oh it's nice i've never had anybody do actual commercials on that show you're gonna use this crazy and you're gonna take those clips and send it to uh yo box on there bergamo italy bottled at the source san pellegrino bergamo italy have you ever done like commercials like that before i've done voice over stuff oh yeah yeah voiceover life is great you've done video games you've done movies yeah i don't know i did a couple commercials some cards and stuff is that they said yeah that's easy one two man it's fun like voiceover work is fun yeah because you can get all like wacky in front of the you know in in front of the microphone and that's been fun i did some shows for the alvin and the chip month yeah that's live action though right yeah just voice over at the microphone i did the incredibles which was oh wow brad bird is an amazing he did brad bird directed um iron giant have you guys ever seen iron giant hand animated yep really and then he did the incredibles he did rat tattooey which is so good uh he's an amazing director that was really cool to do the incredibles but voiceover work is really really cool how long does something like working on the incredibles take as far as doing the voting over a year because you're in like and then three months would pass and they'd call you back in you know what i mean so would you do like scenes or like a whole yeah like a five hour day okay getting through scenes and with brad bird directing you at disney in a in a sound booth and you're not seeing anything you're just there's no animation early drawings anyway are you interacting with the other so you're by yourself you're by yourself okay right which is weird because how do you have a conversation by yourself when you know is somebody else reading their other lines to you or i mean i i liken it to if you're a musician and you go into a studio you're laying down your guitar part that's it and you know that the drummer did his or her part blah blah blah and then they they slice and dice it all together they just cut it and edit it however and a really good director knows exactly what's going on they have the movie edited in their head right i mean technology has gotten even more advanced now this was like early 2000s i think they had already been working on the incredibles for about seven years what before i came in i think the pic i could be mistaken but i think the pixar movies are they may they make them much faster now i'm sure but they would take a 15 second clip and send it to the rendering farm where they literally had like massive buildings pixar with just hard drives that render data wow so a 15 second um clip like a fight sequence or something 15 seconds they'd send that off to the rendering farm and get it back a month later rendered that's what and then we have to make changes to that if they want years to make these movies years and then what do you do did they just hit you up or do you go in for an audition for a voice thing me up and i was like a pixar offer yes brad bird apparently was listening to my dialogue from a kevin smith movie called dogma okay where i played this kind of evil guy with this kind of elongated talking and and uh this kind of villain and brad bird was listening to the dialogue and looking at the drawings of syndrome with the big red hair and put it together and thought it would work so cool that was really cool i was so honored to be in a pixar movie man yeah they make the best movies animated or otherwise they making cr have you seen up yeah oh yeah balloons i mean i haven't touched you so hard that first ten minutes man i'm gonna [ __ ] cry my eyes i cry every time i see that with that piano music and just the like the the the whole montage of their relationship yeah crushing it and you can break and reflect on life from a cartoon movie i know it's not cool it's like how it's so yeah beautiful movie so are you in a booth and they just do it and do our people directly big sound room oh it is right okay and and you know like a what they call adr right so you know when you go back into re-record dialogue you watch the scene and you know beep beep beep hey frank i told you to put the gun down if the audio sucked on the day you have to fill in the you have to re-record certain that's why you're coming back every three months you have to do that with every movie it was in one of those rooms a room like that at disneyland and not a sound bomb even filming like almost famous they film a scene three six months later hey we need you to come back this scene was not clean audio edit exactly we had an airplane there was a pop on the mic you know every actor on any movie boom you turned your head this way we need to get it clean yeah and so you got to go in and really and match your lips match your lips you got to match your hair you have the same tone and you got to have the same tone yep you got to have the same tone sometimes during tv shows like you could tell when it's dubbed i'm like dude this is the funniest stuff is when they dub for tv oh you know what i mean they dub for tv so if it's like hey [ __ ] get out of my way it'll be like hey hot dog get out of my way you know like right hey jerk get out like it doesn't matter at all like it's a g-rated word you know but that must be cool though because you get to film the movie but then you almost get to go back and relive some of the stuff that you did yeah you know unless it's like you get there and they're like hey we got about 15 pages of lines you need to re-do that's when you're like all right okay and eight hours later you're leaving the sound the sound or whatever and you gotta do the same thing like 50 or 60 times in a row we didn't get that we got to do it again again beep hey dad nice to see you yeah we're gonna be able to match the lipstick a little slower we need a little bit more yeah it's ultimately a fun sure creative process for sure i mean movie making is something making things it seems really fun it is super fun because you get to be somebody you're not yeah for sure and you really get to like explore that stuff like almost famous you know you gotta be this guy you know yeah we we did band rehearsal for six weeks wow so i'm growing out my hair and we're starting to wear some of the wardrobe to kind of get by yeah and it's almost like a costume exactly we had vin all the equipment was vintage the guitars the the amps and all that and we did six weeks damn rehearsal to just feel that and were you musically inclined i played guitar in it all the stuff the scenes where i'm playing guitar you're watching the guitar but before you were already yeah i mean i play a little bit of guitar i'm not yeah so it wasn't fully out of left field no um but billy crudup who played russell hammond the lead guitar player he learned for the movie and still to this day plays wow which is really cool and that movie is 21 years old now that movie came out 21 22 years ago and i think that's here it's a song on the bus oh imagine the music budget on that movie i mean there's led zeppelin songs in there john songs in there now see that must be a fun movie to work on oh are you kidding me six months six months really the camaraderie the just the you know and also too no iphones no social media bs so cut all right that's lunch or we need 20 minutes to set up for the next shot we would all just go sit in the chairs at in the sound stage or wherever and just jam play guitar together sing tell jokes now it's like cut you go to your respective chairs and everybody just pulls out the phone yeah you know wow so we were just all hanging out telling jokes having fun jamming so it felt like and i think that trends behind the scenes that translates into the movie yeah it was important i think for the movie to that everybody got along absolutely absolutely dude is that a long time to film for a movie six months yeah it's pretty long yeah yeah i think those marvel movies are a year and a half like they're waiting yeah because they have all kinds of crazy cgi well i watched some of the behind the scenes of that stuff and literally like stuff yeah i mean all that stuff it's like they're literally filmed in a green screen studio or a blue screen that's a little tough nothing's there you're interacting with some goblin or some little like slug and well didn't we've been doing that out in the chipmunks that must have been was it weird yeah there was tennis balls and little stuffed animals yeah yeah you're just like talking to a tennis ball yeah so you kind of could get how that could work the whole thing is i'm fast i've always sort of been fascinated by the like movie making but then you go back and watch and you're like it looks real really great yeah yeah holy [ __ ] does the marvel stuff look real it doesn't i mean it's not supposed to i mean it's supposed to look real it's happening but it's also supposed to look fantastical and yeah supernatural super history yeah out of this world yeah i think it works for whatever i saw the batman last night did you guys like i saw yesterday too did you like it i did yeah i thought it was cool because it wasn't too like out of this world i liked that it wasn't super actiony i liked that uh pattinson uh bruce wayne seemed like just a kind of a confused troubled kid yeah exactly i don't really know much about comics ironically even though i've been in a bunch of kevin smith movies and he's kevin smith he's knows everything about every single comic book ever written on the planet in the history of humans he did a show about comic books i was in overseas when mall rats before mall rats came out so i'm about 25 at that time and kevin smith calls me and says hey would you mind cutting your trip short it was like a vacation i want you to come to comic-con in san diego to like be on a panel and i genuinely panicked kevin dude the only i don't i don't know anything about comic books and i'm playing this guy in mall rats that knows everything about comic books what if i'm hated and they're throwing rotten apples yeah yeah he goes ah don't worry about it so i went and thankfully everybody was super cool and surprisingly nobody asked me what my favorite comic book character was at comic-con wow you know surrounded by thousands of kevin smith fans and comic book fans that know everything about dc one volume three page two page two there's a there was a misprint so rad that these people know this i i was like i watched the amazing spider-man as a kid yeah that's about the you know the extent of batman and robin yeah television oh yeah that spider i think when that ended it was time to walk to school in the seven when i was a kid spider-man spider that one yeah it ended and we had to walk to school um but i think also we i mean my name is earl also yeah because i think a lot that that was a hit tv show yeah for the time that it was so it got canceled out abruptly out of the blue well you guys did four seasons you're gonna do a fifth season fourth season left on a cliffhanger yeah and then fifth season nothing yeah like so that's gotta be a bummer too it was really devastating you guys and all the fans out there too it's like what the [ __ ] there's probably not four days that goes by without somebody messaging me on instagram i'm sure what happened to earl or some people thinking it's my fault like dude you left us stranded what the hell i'm like i'm not nbc i didn't cancel the show man it was out of my hands but greg garcia the creator of the show he's still my friend he's what he did with that show is incredible yeah he showed up on set one day and said hey i have bad news guys it looks like we're getting canceled wow so like you know clean out your lockers kind of vibe we're out of here pack your like two years away from syndication isn't it like seven years we got uh we got syndicated but it we didn't syndicate very well sadly we had a run on tbs for a bit but man if we had syndicated on on the level of like a friends seinfeld yeah and i seinfeld syndicated for a billion dollars dude that's cool and then the next cycle if i'm not mistaken you guys can google this at home but apparently it it sold for the same amount the second syndication cycle which apparently doesn't happen it drops off yeah but it's friends and seinfeld the people who created those shows oh they're larry david and seinfeld oh my god yeah are worth hundreds and hundreds but what's crazy about those is they go to like hulu and then they run over make a run on hulu now they're on netflix and they're syndicated i mean every cw any um any sister station or whatever in the cw in philadelphia like they all play seinfeld in france yeah 24 7 all over america yeah and just cha ching i've been re-watching it on netflix non-stop sign fellaini i just keep it on because there's always something you can point out that you're like oh my god and it's kind of a show that you could just pick up anywhere and watch it and have a laugh you know that's true that's true but i think like you guys had uh um i mean i would say i mean it was a damn popular show was fun it was so fun it was so fun and how did that come about did you audition for this thing i got the offer and you just got it no said no oh you said whoa yeah because i didn't want to do tv i didn't want to be bound to i mean now it's different now it's like you filmed 10 episodes boom boom boom and the series is done for the for the year for hulu netflix app whatever it's just the streaming stuff is quick right you're kind of in you film for eight weeks or whatever and then you're back home with your family but like big movie stars are going into that that direction but back then they weren't no it was like you're either a movie star or a tv i was like do i just do movie i don't know i do i mean one season we did 27 episodes two and it's a grind because you're filming on location and there's lots of action and it wasn't like the office was like two hand-held cameras in an office in an office we were on location we had steady cams and cranes and dolly truck we were shooting a movie every five days and it was exhausting i i could imagine it was really exhausting 99 episodes how long would you film like a season for seven months oh wow yeah seven months and then i and then i got to the best part was getting to shave the mustache you were over it you were done at the end of a season and then i'd have to start growing it about seven weeks or so so you timed out your growth season would start you timed like as earl it was the best mustache on television next to tom selleck and magnolia i was going to say there's a couple right yeah as jason lee with that stash i straight up looked like a porno star so in the off season you know like i tried to look my like my i tried to look not porno as as non-porno star as i could but it just did not ever work listen some people aren't blessed with good mustache jeans i've had shorter stashes where it's a little bit more cop stash i've been able to play that off a little bit but the straight up big wily earl porno stash no no it just didn't really work is it weird being on television like that i mean you're in everybody's home you know it's different than a movie right some people don't go see the movie it's like you're in everybody's home at dinner time they're watching dinner with you yeah and you're walking down the street and somebody says earl like yeah you're not jason lee he's so rad if you like the work you know especially if you like the working girl amazing i mean there were genuinely many many examples of people fan letters or people even through instagram to this day and you kind of overlook you're kind of like you you maybe you don't really think it's real until you kind of really sit down and imagine the the person's perspective i've had letters where it's like oh i was a heavy alcoholic or i was kind of doing drugs and watching earl genuinely changed my deal oh wow i've been sober for you know 10 years or i made my own list and you're kind of like is this real do i believe that and you're kind of like i think this is real right and you kind of like you're working a job and you're enjoying it but it's also a grind you're getting up at six in the morning you're driving out to van nuys and you're working 14 hours a day you're grateful and you're always in a good mood and you want to make sure that the hard-working crew around you is stoked yeah you always want to be happy and you always want to greet people effusively and with a big smile because we're lucky to be in that position and we don't want to take that for granted right but you're human and there are days where you're like i don't want to drive to the valley and work for 14 hours today yeah right but you're stoked that you did and then when the people are like dude earl it's radical it's right yeah yeah i'm living in in silver lake years ago 2007 so this is about two years into earl and it's halloween night i open the door and there's a neighbor knows i live there he's probably in his late 20s at that time the wily hair the stash a list in his pocket and he goes and he goes he goes hap i say he goes hey my name is earl happy halloween he came to my house dressed as earl on halloween knowing that i lived there amazing uh and i had the stash because i was working on the shelter and i got a photo with him and i still have the photo it was like that's right it was super rapid it was super rad it was super cool because i think you know it's funny making the comparison between acting and skateboarding it's like when we go to demos we go to autograph signings and half the kids they don't know who you are they're just there to get the autograph but it's there's always the kids who bring the the spread you were in or the video cover to sign and like the kids who really are like dude this is and those are the ones that are like dude you just you're rad yeah it's like this is yeah i remember cool yeah it is cool watching uh my name is roll with my mom back like when it was going on and i was like do you know he used to be a pro skateboarder and she like had she had no idea what whatever but i thought that was the first time i could relate to an actor like we know the same thing yeah does that sound i don't know we came from the same place like i mean skateboarding is sacred ground man yeah anybody that skates is just like i totally feel that yeah absolutely you feel like you're there's a kinship there even if you've never met a skateboarder yeah i mean none of that none of anything is is is possible without having discovered skateboarding in my life there you go nothing yeah meeting mark becoming an actor becoming a photographer no i don't know i dropped out of high school too i think you could all say that in this room right everybody yeah next to having kids it's the greatest thing that's ever happened to me and to any other skateboarder yeah we should all feel so lucky to have found 100 yeah for sure 100 we wouldn't be in this room together no way that's how we all know each other yeah i dropped out of high school because i i did well in school but once i was really locked into this this i had this kind of tunnel vision focus mom i'm going to be a skater i'm going to be a pro skater i promise i don't have enough points to grow i just i got to get out of school i have to have more hours in the day to skate and mom was like and then uh the dream became a reality grade was it not too cute senior oh almost done yeah and and then i you know bought my mom a couple of things here and she was like all right that was a good idea yes because especially back then there was no like you know the parent's your skateboarder yeah but you know a toy there's no future in this absolutely listen more more uh more uh praise to tony hawk because he kept every he kept everything you know like uh he was sort of the bridge between skateboarding and the moms and the dads oh yeah and sort of regular society there you go like a cop would feel cool if he knew like knowing tony who tony hawk is or whatever and then x games and now the olympics so um so i feel like you know like he was even really popular back then because he was like in toy commercials and people knew tony hawk right but um that that i yeah i i was that was the thing for me was skateboard i i i didn't have any other plans or uh any other desires whatsoever and i was afraid though and i think societally that's what they ultimately want not to sound like a conspiracy theorist but they do want right they do want like the school and then the college and then the 401k all good it's all no no problem with that it just wasn't my my thing right yeah right but considering that i was genuinely afraid to drop out of high school made me kind of go wow that's society's built in a weird way yeah do i really need to yeah if i if i want to learn some trade or become an engineer or an architect or a doctor or a lawyer some okay so i have to study that specific uh um uh subject right but your classroom is out in the streets but if i'm like going like how many kids have you known that go to college and say what's your major say i don't know yet yeah so are you doing there then they're just going because their parents want to go or like that's sort of like the system is set up like that yeah so i was genuinely afraid to leave school because that's that that's a big no-no you don't drop are you a dropout bum yeah no i'm a dropout skater [ __ ] no but um you know i just kept working hard and and uh and valerie was how it all started she was my girlfriend at the time introduced me to rocco okay and i got sponsored by rocco and i it's all it's all due to anne uh and then ann went on to marry mike v and they have two wonderful daughters and wow yeah so anne is uh just a wonderful woman and she i was at a trade show in long beach and uh she went i was skating outside i think and she went all the way in and found steve rocco and told him outside and i did some tricks for him and he said wow that's cool meet me in hermosa beach tomorrow i'd like to see you skate and ann brought me there and uh for the first time ever there was a little that little four set in santa monica where people would grind on the ledge the little ledges down yeah i did a 360 flip down the little stairs okay and i was like well and steve rocco was like whoa i've never seen anybody do that come back to my warehouse and he had like three warp boards on his shelf he was just starting sma rocco division okay and he put me on the team and it was all because of anne i was so excited i'm sponsored i'm sponsored was she in skateboarding or did she just know who to go she knew people she knew people yeah she was super cool she knew all the cool bands and deanna was her best friend deanna templeton right yeah so yeah so for a minute there it was me and ed ed was i was doing 360 flips he was doing all the impossibles and the girlfriends were best friends wow and then and uh ended up with mike v um and they're still and that's so rather super round so anne is why i got hooked up with this is very incredible yeah i had the goal even as a boyfriend you'd be like what are you doing you got to go get this guy you know what i mean like i know i gotta oh i was born nervous yeah i was super nervous but i yeah i i yeah i i was lucky to have the 360 flips down enough to where that was like i couldn't do much i mean it was 88 i guess at that point i couldn't do much on a skateboard so that was sort of like the big if i could do that that would maybe like get me get him really interested and i was i mean it was literally the stairs or what yeah it's it's tiny but it was still like oh you know and that was that was like the big carnival prize yeah that got me into that was your sponsor me tape was pretty much live yeah rocco watching it and me just being just super nervous and stuff but genuinely really like kid-like excitement inside you know because that's the whole idea 100 that's where you want to get to ideally right yeah how was your relationship how was your relationship with rocco back then did you have one or was it just kind of you were doing your thing yeah i mean he was doing his thing yeah and letting everybody do their thing got you you know what i mean and you know we were young kids focused on skateboarding obviously he seemed much older because when you're 18 anybody in their 20s yeah is gonna seem like a mom or a dad yeah you know what i mean so he and rodney seemed like older dad and uncle kind of figures and they were doing humor stuff that was obviously sometimes went over our heads and being controversial and like they were poking at people and i didn't really get a lot of it no we were just skating okay you know what i mean yeah because the graphics at that time were so controversial yeah you know for blind and world and plan b yeah yeah yeah um but yeah well if it was over your head at that time it's so crazy because when we go back and look at some let's just say javante's graphics oh yeah yeah yeah they're nutty yeah you know what i mean so it's just like back then it was definitely like everything is open we're doing whatever yeah i didn't pay much attention to it to be honest i was you know uh i was just more about like the skating and then when and then rocco says you're gonna turn pro but for mark who's coming over and starting blind wow almost like a do you guys see money ball yes i have seen that phenomenal phenomenal movie by the way oh yeah yeah where they come in the room like sorry you're being traded to the what and they just they tre you know yeah yeah hey jason coming to my office oh you're gonna turn i'm turning you pro but for blind you know so like back then like what was a general vibe between like the writers was there talk and stuff of just the rocco and his shenanigans and like what he was doing like because there was like ad wars and like certain things were you guys like hip to all that or were you just kind of like ah there was probably a part of me that was like uh yeah that's funny the the the powell spoof yeah maybe it's not cool to be like a big corporate company i didn't i didn't really maybe sometimes i was along for the ride thinking certain things were funny but again i was more just about mark and skating skating rocco is kind of doing his thing so you guys were kind of just in your own littles yeah there were never like fights or like issues or anything the only issue was the one the the uh the satan board that was the one that was the only thing where there was like i agreed to do it and then i was like no i don't feel good about it and i returned the check oh wow and then natas and then natas wait a minute wait a minute they were giving you a check just to get that board or i don't know yeah i didn't want to do it and raka said i'll give you ten thousand dollars he said he'd give you ten grand for you to do and he gave me a check for ten grand and then i drove off with mark and i think i was like i don't feel good about that and mark was like yeah i don't i don't think i do either something like that okay and i went back and said sorry rock i just don't i'd rather not do it and i gave him the check back and then nadas got the board notice got the board yeah wow the lore goes that he broke his ankle on that board or something that's what i'd heard yeah this is what we hear right you know we haven't had notice on the show to confirm yeah deny but uh yeah it was definitely a graphic like my friend had that one for sure i was like whoa even rodney was like i don't think you should do that jason even rodney mullen was like i don't and rodney was very cool about it he was like i don't think you should do it but you guys must have been selling a lot of boards back then too like were you guys getting royalties yeah that's basically there were no minimums you would just get two dollars a board wow okay so yeah we would we would sell like maybe two to three thousand boards a month kind of thing that's a good check everyone for sure i mean now it's not really boards as much right now it's shoes and it is it is i mean yeah the no i did the the burger board yeah the whopper the burger yeah that sold like i think we sold like 4 000 of those ones wow but the guys in the 80s they were selling 20 000 yeah right the only thing i'd heard of that was close to the 80s was bam when we were at giant and bam was there with element because of the mtv thing i think they were selling like 10 to 15 000 of those things at least to kids all around the world that were putting things up their buttholes exactly exactly cool here's a carrot oh my god i'm gonna shove this carrot up my friend's butthole skater gonna film it yeah no but skating with skating with bam we were on audio together we go on tours and literally half the kids just wanted bam to slap him in the face or kick him in the nuts yeah wow yeah that was a huge deal right yeah yeah the whole jackass thing yeah and bam did his own he had his own show totally roger yeah all that really yeah wow he was uh one of the camera operators on that show and and and were you any were you a carrot operator not to my knowledge he said not to his knowledge roger's like no comment but when you were like you know when you decided to retire from skateboarding and you went into the film thing i feel like you were hyper focused on that like yeah because now you're into photography right you always have been but yeah yeah this year is 20 years of photography 20 years yeah i mean 20 years you and again another offshoot of skating there you go something creative clicks for for most skateboarders yeah to some degree or another right and it's really interesting to me that you you you you don't hear of many and this is no disrespect to accountants i have one i think you all did but you don't hear many like accountants or sort of um say you know drop that and and and become a painter or a musician um when you do hear it that's super like everybody should as cliche as it is follow whatever instincts you feel whatever passion you have for whatever you genuinely have to to to follow that if you fail cool you at least you you tried and you weren't so scared that you didn't try it all right sure sure but it's no coincidence to me that many skateboarders have shows like this or they've put out a record or they've gone to become filmmakers right greg hunt spike jacob rosenberg these guys musicians right it kind of goes with the territory designers actors fashion designer whatever the artistry it makes sense yeah it makes sense it makes sense yeah so that's kind of where i was i was kind of just in that headspace right oh acting's fun okay try that and then i got really into film and i started buying cameras and started getting more and more into photography and started publishing books so it just all plays off of the skateboarding thing i love it yeah i love it it's so fun uh don't you work with raymond molinar on ray's the good homie yeah man that guy can still skate do you ever watch his clips oh yeah hell yeah big fan like he'll just like switch he'll get out of the car and we're just skating some curve and us old dudes are slapping and he'll do like a switch dealio yeah yeah and you're like coolio but yeah he's he's he's gifted that that great photographer too so yeah we we we do a lot together with film photographic and the books we put out he helps we work on those together he's a long time shooter as well and a great skater really really talented skater big fan yeah how did you get connected with him on that he was with stereo for a minute oh that's right before they started weekend that's right yep and then he was shooting photos already i was like rad and we connected on that yeah yeah he's he's a really good skater so when you get hyper focused on something like you or that acting photography does then like acting take a back seat or do you try to do both or you know because sometimes like how do you juggle now i'm 52 in april oh right so now though all the lanes are merging super rad okay so i moved to texas with my family for four years and i just checked out of all the acting stuff got you my wife started her business i did some exhibitions i published a couple photo books i did a little bit of voice over work remotely from dallas amazing because they can patch you in yeah right uh we had a couple more kids it was super rad we're back in l.a two or three years now got a new manager got a new agent developing some tv show starting to play that game again which is fun yeah developing creating material and and um working with some writers and kind of getting into developing some projects while still shooting and while skating and working with chris so you know sometimes again like i'm not i'm just going to texas for four years and we're just going to bounce and kind of just do that for a minute and now everything's kind of blending blending in in a really cool way did you go to texas as a retreat or like hey i just need this is like my final place and then you got back into like hey maybe there is something well i didn't really know but it was four years and it was like time to come back right but we had some property and we have a lot of great friends out there and uh yeah it was nice to just kind of check out retreat yes right riding the motorcycles do you have any animals uh we had chickens chickens that's it okay and i had a tractor i cut my own grass and we rode our motorcycles around the pasture and and just really worked on the photos kind of what a great life though you know what i mean like just too many snakes too many spiders too much humidity too much oh it was time to get back after four years dude snakes oh yeah man snakes spiders yeah yeah the texas humidity ain't nobody got time for that it's tough right it's bad man it's bad it's really bad and that's in dallas yeah north like outside of uh denton yeah okay okay outside of denton so now everybody merging time away from things is good it's necessary i think it's healthy and then when it feels right things kind of just find their way back or they start to blend and you go okay i'm at a place now to where i can kind of juggle things and right and it feels rad to like skate do a bunch of emails with chris and the stereo artists and then i'm working with ray on some photo book stuff and then i'm working with my wife we're developing some tv series amazing a couple shows that we're we've got sort of in development so you know working on that and then being a dad and doing school drop-offs and laundry and stuff like that yeah so that's where that's kind of where we're at now wait so you're writing a show with your wife right we are working on two shows and then with another writer and director a director that i worked on earl with a bunch we are developing a different show wow so it's a long process so you want to have as many as as many um what's the saying pots on the stove yep okay because you know that industry moves ridiculously slow from conception to a show getting on the air it could be three years we heard it with squid games right it was like the squid games i mean that was like oh i've been around for a minute years this guy was trying to get his his thing made oh it's it's not uncommon for something to even take 10 years but i also do think that going back to you know texas and doing all that and now everything's kind of lining back up it's like timing yeah timing is everything i appreciate timing that's it everything yeah i appreciate timing something's not happening now it's just not the right time yeah that's right and like let's and when it happens that's the right time yeah age is a double-edged sword right because on one end you're closer to death which sucks um but on the other end you're you're you know you're just guys there's somebody like that but on the other hand like you you do you do become uh you you you do become something that maybe you you just weren't before sure i remember you know cameron crowe used to write for rolling stone as early as 17 years old and that's what almost famous is about his life story right and i'm a massive bowie fan you know i did that bowie board back in the day that mark mckee did sure and i was like when i met cameron and i got a part in almost famous which was like super life-changing uh my one of my first questions was like what's bowie like uh like did he does he you know i know you interviewed him what did he say when you asked him about like ziggy stardust and all that it wasn't about the movie you just got cast yeah cameron goes oh bowie told me he didn't remember any of that stuff like it's like it's like looking at a different person right like so you're interviewing bowie decades after he was 20 something in makeup and on stage playing a character called ziggy stardust and so if you want to talk to me about skateboarding when i'm 18 years old i'm going to remember certain things but it's almost like i'm talking about somebody else yeah true yeah 18 i was 18 uh 30 38 30 something so it's it's a it's a trippy deal yeah it's a really true you're almost looking back on somebody else somebody else's life yeah like i don't i don't know who that person is yeah there's a lot of memories how old are you now you're 45. dang you look good [Laughter] you at 18. right it's a it's a it's almost a different person there isn't it you know what i mean just barely graduating high school yeah so you're tr you try to learn from it and you know all that but yeah that's uh it's so weird we're trying to walk down memory lane well that's when you need a cane i mean we we get it all the time though because you know we do this show we interview people and sometimes the skater they're like i don't even remember what happened that day and we don't remember stuff too and then we get the comments like how do you guys not remember this and blah blah i'm like [ __ ] there was like a long thought like am i supposed to remember comment back age yeah age a-g-e period you don't have to defend yourselves you don't have to just age yeah period sorry we got anybody's going to go good point sorry we got hit with the old we got hit with we're old we are um but it's tough to listen it's time to look back and it is and remember every little detail because it is really a long time ago and something important to somebody else is not important to you and you've blocked that out lock stuff out you know what i mean do we block stuff out there's other memories coming in like it's yeah well i'm sitting here talking today you're remembering these cues from what yeah hey oh this happened oh the 360 flip oh wow okay then this like i'm sure but i've already forgotten what show this is yeah is it is that weird [Laughter] um are you still in contact with uh ethan from um my name is we talk every once in a while have you seen his transformation no oh he's ripped oh amazing oh he's got a podcast called um american glutton okay and he's super super super knowledgeable about health incredible and he you know he he had been much bigger before earl and thank god he you know he dropped a bunch of weight and got really really healthy but he still had some weight on for earl which worked for the character of randy but now he's just absolutely cut i love that and he's very very very intelligent about diet and and all of that that's awesome he's he's he's one of the sweetest people i got to look up that podcast because i was always a fan watching earl i always liked that guy and then earl kind of disbanded and then i was like um it was hard to follow you know because of skating and you know it's hard to follow people really sweet um who got really really healthy i love that i love that it sucks that earl didn't get to close it's done i know but it's just the cliffhanger and the club like it's just greg garcia the creator he went everywhere and nobody wanted it that's so crazy to me like a movie or just like a a special two-part ah episode that closes out the she's closed it out yeah nobody if they wanted to go do it today like netflix hey we want five or whatever would you for sure but everybody passed that's insane wait so do you have the whole next season ready to go already or is it like greg probably had some of it mapped out sure you know yeah right at least some of it wow that's a shame that's crazy it's just how many people passed on the show everybody all the streamers too everybody no crazy wow yeah it was a great show yeah great great i got to work with burt reynolds dude that was the oh another another great mustache yeah jamie was hilarious as joy oh yeah and eddie's crab man dude yeah i am crab man hey earl hey crab man you know all that stuff was just he was amazing eddie steeples i feel like norm mcdonald is a guy who plays himself on tv like he's exactly like that normic i don't know if you guys know andy kaufman yes oh yeah yeah yeah i don't i mean that gone's level kind of eccentric brain nor macdonald was kind of on that level okay have you guys seen the um the uh what's the uh the moth joke the moth joke it's on youtube okay it's when he was on conan he tells like a six minute joke and the way he delivers it and the punch line at the very end you watch that and you go of course the guy was a genius watch the moth joke on conan i was okay i will because i was always a big fan of him i was a fan of his delivery and because yeah that comedic timing it is very different yeah yeah he had a little bit of that bob dylan yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah like this coffee mug do you ever see the movie dirty work i didn't see that i should show you mcdonald's right yes that's one of my favorite movies of all time just he would say the most simplest things and it would just be yeah it was great yeah oh my god he just he was great hey dude how am i doing yeah yeah yeah on the set of earl he'd just be sitting in his chair hey how how am i doing yeah pretty good yeah [Laughter] you're hilarious norm everybody's stoked you're here man yeah everybody stoked you're here ah yeah you know well i was actually in like i trip i was watching a lot of bloopers on like seinfeld and all these things are the best that's so fun to watch but when you were doing like working all these things did improv happen so much like that where it was like yeah you were just thrown off you're like you're you're sticking to the script you know yeah for the most part but you're certainly riffing and playing and everybody's laughing and yeah you know you're you're so used to it and you've you know it's a well-oiled machine and you get great guest actors that come on and they're funny and you're laughing and it's just a blast yeah it's a blast nobody's nobody on earl was was not cool i love you everybody was just joyful and laughing and having fun john favreau was one of our favorite guest actors man there's a scene where we're peeing in the in the urinals and i could it's on the bloopers and i couldn't can i could not contain my yeah and that guy you know you've seen swingers have you guys seen the swingers of course of course you've seen swingers so good the scene where he calls the the girl and he keeps leaving him okay it's amazing that he went on to direct iron man and like star wars like he went on to become a massive director man incredible yeah great man i love hearing about that i love hearing about like some of my favorite people just being cool as hell oh man you want to be around 100 you know that energy for sure i love that i love that so how is everything going now with because you listen stereo 30 years yeah i mean congratulations on that but yeah also working with your best friend who you've met little 35 years ago glasses the whole thing i mean what a ride yeah you know and being able to sponsor people and turn people pro and do this thing and go from one distribution to another when maybe it seems like it's not going to work yeah what it's what a journey ah thank you i would rather have stereo uh in any condition than not have it i love that you know what i mean yeah yeah because right now it's humbled it's like it's it's yeah i mean when stereo was at deluxe it was big right and it did really really well financially and then you know the the every balloon loses some air over the years you know what i mean and so uh we had a great upswing with giant but then uh that thing went you know yeah yeah and but you know um we still make pretty boards love it you know and um i still get to hang out with chris and if nothing else i get to give my kids stereo boards to skate yeah there you go you know what i mean so i'm really grateful that's his jim and tommy and and the late jeff clint you know i'm sure very grateful no it's amazing i congrats on that too because like i've always been a fan and following the the story and everything and having chris on the show it's just it's it's amazing i love that i remember seeing uh when i would see other people wear stereo shirts that's cool yeah i like they're seeing photos of mike carroll wearing stereo shirts i remember wearing one for a contest because look at in the early 90s like when people were i just wore what was cool like what i thought visually was i wasn't like oh that's a board i can't wear that at the board company i pried for this board company i would be like i like that shirt i'm going to wear it so i definitely remember having a stereo shirt in a contest oh god it was in san jose and i remember there's a still of me and i had a stereo shirt and i skated for either i think it was either blind at the time but i guess i was wearing a stereo shirt so i'll i'll venmo you some residual there you go you and mike carol yeah well you guys were never blind at the same time were you no no they uh yeah they left before okay everything started reconfiguring yeah okay yeah did you did you guys meet way back in the day at all i don't think we met way back in the day i think we met probably maybe randomly through the barracks or some [ __ ] i don't know i can't recall but i know i've met him before yeah yeah one of the biggest video games in skateboard like tony hawk's pro skater right it's one of the biggest skate bigger well that's the that's the thing is skate three i mean the skate series was it's it's definitely the ea skate game right yeah it's up there you know and you doing the voice overs coach frank yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah um that must have been fun to do yeah because you were doing the voices legendary yeah yeah yeah i love coach frank yeah i i hang out with him sometimes oh you did yeah what do you guys do uh eat hamburgers yeah and he he loves it he always has a flask on him he's always drinking the whiskey oh yeah the kids are like dad's talking to coach frank again that was you know me and chris just being goofy as we have been over the years keeping things fun he has a great character called neville zanzibar where he's like a 70s like angry black skater he has like the he wears a wig a big curly wig with a 70s headband and the little wooden 70s board with the tall tube socks and the short corduroy shorts and he's just salty and pissed off like he's an angry black 70s skater and then um and then coach frank is like some white trash drunk like ex like 70s skateboard coach yeah yeah you know hey hey [ __ ] get off hey hey get over here punk get your [ __ ] together he's like he's like the coach you wanted in high school because he was just super real and probably would smoke joints with you and like give you nips of his you know off his flask yeah yeah um so we started doing little skits and stuff back in the day as as coach frank and and neville neville sanzibar and then i think ea was like hey coach frank should be the guide in the in the video well it makes perfect sense it's like such a great character for a video game with the short shorts yeah yeah for sure just yelling at people but that isn't a balling but that is an iconic game for skateboarders in video games skate three is yeah wow right oh yeah now they're they're talking about doing skate four and everybody's going crazy that oh my god they might do a skate four because tony hawk's pro skater was more of like a you know you're you're trying to do the most grinds and doing this and skate came along more real games more are you saying are you saying because i i think i'm trying to get some money out of the coach are you saying that skate 3 is as popular as it would skate 3 be as popular without coach frank wow that's a good question all right maybe you're listening [Applause] [Music] what i'm trying to figure out is how do i have my people yeah call ea and say hey remember skate three with jason lee as coach frank we need more money yeah because it turns out it's more popular than he thought it was yeah see i don't know if i get more cash you all get a cut oh for bringing this to my attention here's what i'm saying though jason i'm saying we get skate four we bring coach frank back and then in the story of the game okay you get sponsored your career you come on the nine club and you tell your story that's right yeah yeah yeah you get a nine club episode a part of your journey yeah yeah you're saying bring coach frank back for skate four yes okay yes and the nine club introduce the nine club as yeah the mo you know you're you've you've you've done it you've gotten yourself in the video game is the nine club show yes so in the video game coach frank is shit-faced on your show you know he's the coach yeah the skater but yeah yeah he's the coach but then the skater coming up they turn pro they do all the things and the major accolade is coming on the nine club coach frank tells the kids but coach frank also has to be on the nine club videos with his headband and his whistle and you don't think i'd love nothing more than coach frankie yelling at me yeah does he drink papst oh yeah okay he's the spokesman for perhaps i just want to look and his flask came from his you know his dad had it in world war ii or the korean war he still uses it i love you dad never gonna forget you you son of a [ __ ] hey that was the weakest kick flip i've ever seen [ __ ] try that again coach frank you always gotta talk about yourself in the third person he just sits there on a like a like a 70s beach uh beef chair you know with this flask just yelling at kids at the skate park hey come on do that again boy right she is she's so man what a great i love it man dude this is [ __ ] amazing bro you telling all these stories yeah i tell more unless you want to be done no let's hear more what do we got what do we got i don't know mike v was the longest interview i wanted this to be the shortest oh well now we've over we already already passed that unless we edit down the shortest hmm well early on like an hour 30. early on we did 30 minute 20 minute because we didn't this was five years ago so okay we didn't know that people really wanted to listen to two hours three hours five hours they do huh they do yeah we started getting comments right away make them longer make them longer and we were like okay wow this is but mike's the record though right five five and a half five hours something like that and we're getting comments on that god i wish this was longer what yeah i don't know what else more i can say gentlemen mike v no he he started it took him you know two hours just to get up to his first board you know oh yeah he was he's a storyteller if you don't like v he's good at it he can paint a picture mike v was when he we we are the same age i'm older than mike i if i could be mistaken you might want to fact check that okay he's either july does somebody want to google that really quickly it's july july yeah he's july yeah i'm april okay 1970. we're the same age but he was already pro yeah before me and ed templeton you know what i mean um and when mike hit dude when mike hit with the venture trucks and like the the powell like we were like wow he had those uh red and gold adidas high tops wow i got those right away yeah the only the only uh the only case of us looking up to this incredible pro skater that was the same age it was kind of strange like gone's not us were older all the other skate were older rodney mullen tony hawk all of you um mike was my age but he seemed like way more like uh advanced and like mature on a board and he had no fear and which made him seem older yeah we were just like and we got to see he skated the velodrome contest in carson with gonz was there rodney was there natas was there he was there as a pro skating a pro contest and and we were there watching him it was magic did he seem bigger than life at that time was he mike v yeah yeah that was the trio wouldn't you say like goddess goddess nadas and mike v those were the three would you say so you had like the vert guys that were written and you had rodney innovating but in the freestyle sort of genre and then you had like the street guys it was i would say i don't want to leave anybody out but obviously gonz and natas were the big main dudes mike seemed to kind of get in there with those guys and julian we're the same i'm the same age as julian as well he was in there too with those guys amazing i think julian was the first to do a frontside board side down a handrail and tobin shot it he was one of the dudes to shoot it amazing and julian similar similarly to mike was wearing the the converse this kind of puffy black and white high with the star on the side and he had that really stylish front the rail was only about that long but he's doing that steezy i just said steezy yeah but you know it's yeah definitely cool arm up and he's doing that front side board slide down he was same age too and in there with those guys yes i think we have that photo here somewhere i think we do i don't know where it is but how hands down the best looking style is a front board you're right yeah front board you take a full front board where your upper body is twisted and your arm is up bro and you're looking back over your shoulders we saw mark do a frontside board side for the first time in thrasher magazine it was a black and white photo it was a double-sided curb and there's a flash the photographer's flashes there and marks up on on it like this and this caption read flash and roll flashing so we called front side board slides flash and rolls wow right but marquette mark had that thing that he had that thing you know what i mean that's a thing eric costan had that too front board i would try to replicate his like looking over his shoulder and because you see a front board and somebody's back is full you know you want to be like but it makes for a such a great photo like a front a front board is good yeah a good 360 flip with the pow is good yeah a good back side flip yeah kick the back side flip tray flip those to me those were like and and you you know where else you get that is backside tail slide oh you also get what is that i don't know what is that the hand that's that's the oh it's [ __ ] it's sunny like yeah maybe it's a salute yeah you know as far as i know slides have that too frontside nose yeah front side nose sides rudy did those when we just skate and i was like i can't even come on you know oh rudy would just lock those in and i was like wow and the front foot or the back foot is like pushing it yeah yep were you guys skating a lot back then together all the time sessions those guys were incredible mark knew mark mark was like i'm going to get these guys on blind yeah and i was like rad because they left so much i remember learning i did my first nose blunt slide um with guy was there and i was like maybe maybe i was like 21 or something and i only ever did that one and i go guy i'm 21 i just did my first nose blunt slide and he was probably thinking yeah i do about 10 a day he was that good at that time yeah and rudy rudy had an innate thing too that board slide and pop it up to 5.0 what is that the pioneer chicken curb in echo park yellow one across the street from hasoy's house yeah is that the yellow curb because he popped that up and kept grinding he popped it up and he kept going wow he did i was going to say that was like way ahead of his time yeah right back tail yeah yeah the thing about the blind video too is like and listen i i thought it was a great video um you know at the time also they had jordan richter on the team and you know they talk about the the the verb button which is a fast forward on that thing did you skate with jordan richter a lot too because he seemed he street skated and he would kick flip over i you know islands i would have loved to see some street skating [ __ ] he had street stuff yeah he just didn't it didn't he was super rad crazy he was super rad and to mark's credit mark was like i don't care i love jordan he's in the video that's right right now yeah and jordan was super rad he was doing that colin mckay stuff back then mm-hmm yeah he was trying to get all techy with it yeah kick flipping on the vert ramps and stuff i would have loved to see some street footage yeah clips man because there was like footage mixed in with like mark jones's part instead your part yeah yeah that's a good point i don't know why maybe they didn't have any but he would 180 off curb cuts over fire hydrants and stuff one in front side 180 all these yeah when the blind video came did you see the video before it came out or did they just put it out and that was it i think i just kind of edited my part that's it yeah oh you sat there with them and editing it i think i did yeah i think i did yeah i think i did yeah and the song milk which was that was andy jenkins band andy jenkins and tremaine yep oh yeah yeah lumen which that song went so well perfect maybe andy jenkins recommend i don't remember that it fits your part and then like no other yeah i don't remember exactly how we got that song but it i think it worked it worked yeah it was really good man christian he is one of my favorites christian so we'd get to christian's house because i lived in downtown l.a and i was starting to skate vert because christian had that ramp and i had in my bag with my pads and my helmet and my vert set up because you had bigger wheels for the vert board and wider trucks and all that stuff and i'd go there every day and christian would come out in his robe you know with his slippers hey holmes and he'd come up the ramp and he'd sit on the he'd sit on the deck and just hang out with his robe and his slippers just the chillest raddest dude ever say good morning to everybody and you would just show up and skate and he was just so pleasant and just let anybody come and skate he's always been like that bro always been like never changed at all still a showman even wearing his robe and just one of the most incredible styles and what like standing on the deck of his ramp and having to re like really really tilt your head far far back to look at the stickers on his board as he was just way above your your your universe that's amazing and you're like oh that's like tony hawk is next level like wow and that will never go away uh christian couldn't do varial 540s or kickflip indie grabs and and it didn't matter no yeah it didn't matter you know what i mean it just didn't matter watching that guy skate was like a real treat i mean we're talking like massive heirs and all just like steve you know i was saying about stevie williams where it's just that effortless flow and you don't really know what he's gonna do now christian would just be smiling doing like eight foot like front side nose bones and just come in and then pop out and go probably because he was just stoned constantly right sure so he was always just like cheerful and but watching that guy skate and just hearing the puck the wheels pop off the metal coping hear the wheel spinning the bear oh the best yeah and then mark on vert those big stale fishes that he would tweet and then the frontside hand plant that he just stalls there in the blind video yep bro man that that's i would have kept it up but christian moved oh he did i was skating that vert ramp every day and i was like i'm a little bit i'm gonna i was gonna i had it all planned out this is 1991. i had it all mapped out because i was do i was starting to do some stuff like once christian and mark helped me find my footing okay i was all right i'm gonna start street skating on the vert ramp i'm i i felt like it was near that point okay because i could do the errors i could do like nose grinds and i could do like 5-0 to tail and i could do backside ollies and stuff i was starting to get there and then christian moved the ramp went down but i had it all mapped out i was going to start doing kickflip tail slides like kickflip back disaster i i had it all the stuff we were doing on mini ramps because i was doing kick flip tails on mini ramps and stuff right right i wanted to start doing it on vert i and i think about it sometimes like man if christian had his ramp still or if i had found another ramp and stuck with it like maybe i could have been doing some of that colin mckay danny wait stuff like you know yeah i think lance mountain had his his ramp at that time i believe around like 98 yeah it was scary though it was scary yeah it was scary maintain it i don't believe he the the the transition part was metal and they had to pour apple juice on it to get it sticky sticky so i'm skating lance's ramp and i'm coming down and i hit the the opposing wall and i slide out and just slam into this oh and i couldn't skate it anymore yeah yeah christian's ramp was not intimidating sounds like it was perfect and it had an extension so i was like backside 180 disasters up the i was fine i was starting to find my way huh if skating vert is the best feeling ever and you started you started with street went to vert was that a hard thing to learn well the mini ramps the minions we've skated a lot of mini records and i had a mini ramp in my backyard that went to vert gotchu it was seven maybe six seven feet tall and it went to vert so you could scoop out those big back sideways and the vert ramp was a little bit scary but it a little bit of getting used to it it was you could approach it similarly but it took a little more energy to get yourself up the walls and stuff and it was scarier when i mean one time you know i was doing backside five o's to tail slide i was getting those down and one time it stopped and you you know when you hit your wheel oh yeah and then i just fell down to my back on the flat block pitch back and it really hurt yeah yeah i could have been really hurt but those were great days skating watching christian and all those and mark skate christian's ramp was like i wish a lot of people because we we were at the street league in utah and they had like a demo with like everybody christian soy ramp ramp okay tony i mean but just watching these guys and still doing it together on this verb it was like it was like magic how recent is this this was like what six months ago it wasn't august of last year yeah it wasn't that long ago and it was but it was incredible and all the young kids too it was like the the shads and the zions and the top what about that kid is amazing you've seen all that it's on another level when you're talking about how well-rounded people are ashad might be seeing all his stuff yeah yeah one of the most well-rounded and he's fun to watch because he's just skating he's not performing he's not you know i mean he's just having fun he doesn't exert a lot of energy yeah it doesn't look like he does it doesn't look like he does yeah yeah yeah it's very smooth yeah he could skate for anything oh man but to see those guys excited about these guys skating fur was just like it was it was a magical experience if you value something it just does not escape one of my hero photographers is henry wessel he sadly passed of cancer about five years ago he was in his seventies i had the good fortune of meeting him in 2009 and we hung out for a day and he had already been like a museum exhibited published photographer for 40 years and he kept his camera in his hand or at the table and talked about photography the way we talk about skateboarding not jaded not cynical oh and then i have this one lens and then i you i like this film for this he's in he's in his 60s just as excited he had already been shooting and in san francisco museum of modern art all over the world and he's as nerdy about photography as he was in the 60s i love that wow that's what i what i aspire to like if you're stoked that's that's the main number one ingredient for sure oh it has to be and so to to see christian skating and these guys lance tony alva yeah tony alva's got to be in us he's in his 60s at least and like stoked yeah that's the raddest thing ever i mean even to see tony hawk doing it i mean he just broke his femur recently he uh yeah he got literally like last trying to do literally last year for the last time right no he's been doing that as well like i'm not i'm never going to do another varial 540. i got that on tape and now i'm going to move on to the next and then i'm done right he's been doing that a little bit he's been doing the certain last things but just last week he was just messing around with his buddies did a 540 a just a mctwist on his ramp they were trying to do uh drop in drop in 5 40. bro snapped his femur in half landed just got away from him landed on his knees and the pressure broke his but he's walking the next day he had surgery he's already he's flying to like south by southwest he's like doing all kinds of [ __ ] like but not probably not skating though no not yet i mean this was just like last week no but i mean ever again oh he's probably i think he'll skate again yeah i think he will i think so i think so i mean the man's 15 skateboarders are a different breed skateboarders are fit and crazy man i'll tell you that man go drink coach frank's a little bit more crazy that other one was just a good old boy but it's incredible to see these guys 53 54. here's what i'll say to that when we were coming up ignorantly we were the dog town dudes tony alva jay adams that stuff was minimally minimally on our radars right ignorantly i can say that with just ignorantly you're just so about like now and kickflips and gones industry yeah when we were talking about how things merge skateboarding is in such a rad place because there are more 15 year old skateboarders today that know who tony alva is than there were 15 year old skateboarders who knew tony who tony alva was in the 80s right right without a doubt and i love that yeah sure and it's in a rad place yeah way more female skaters way more diversity yeah and and people are like just ripping bulls ramps street and everybody's hanging out it's not doesn't seem as clicky maybe oh you're in that camp you're in that camp you can hang out we could all go to the parking lot and slappy curbs and do manuals and have the best time go out for sushi hang out doesn't matter age who wears what shoe venture indie silver whatever right nobody gives a [ __ ] anymore no for the most part right yeah it used to be very segregated definitely yes and in the 80s there were what two female pro skaters yeah three men and sasha sasha for world right yep yeah yeah there were a few yeah well there's more but those are the ones that actually right not nearly what there are no i mean even even in the groin in the 90s and on you would never see once in a while and it was just like it was like a unicorn it was like yeah whoa there's a girl skateboarding kind of like really oh yes for sure but not but yeah but not in front of us either this was like around videos yeah yeah yeah and then i would go to barcelona and there was like a lot of girl and i'm like this is amazing and then now we see it all the time it's it's a beautiful it's a beautiful it's the best thing everybody's skating different terrain and and and just hanging out and yeah together and celebrating skateboarding you get older and you realize that it just doesn't matter no yeah if you skate you're rad in my book right you know what i mean the politics any politics should just go away yeah it doesn't matter who you skate for what kind of trucks you ride what kind of shoes you wear if you're genuinely having fun god you're you're rad do you know who andy anderson is i was just about to say that that guy is rad yeah that to me he embodied that's true i mean we're all skateboarders but that dude loves every part of skateboarding so freestyle to convert yep to everything i just like i watched his barracks part yeah and i was so impressed yeah he's next i mean doesn't he go up the rail and then he like balances his board on the tip yeah turning around and does some weird like gone stuff dude do you know that uh uh he's amazing by the way um and i remember when mike v started wearing a helmet and people were like dude what's up with that now i don't think anybody gives a [ __ ] right i don't know you see what i mean like now it's different maybe it's not perfect but it's more copacetic now than i think i've ever experienced for sure for sure and i think that with that being said like andy anderson like he's a helmet wearer too and you know he's been on our show plenty of times we love that he lives in the area now um yeah dude he's great great guy great just outlook on life but i think there still is certain stigmas that are left in skateboarding you know which is you know it is what it is right but i think more people in general are probably stoked on his character his energy right 100 and you know you get over it yeah yeah and you're more patient too because you realize like you know like i was saying like i'm a much different human being now than i was when i was 18. right you know i mean you let so much [ __ ] go when you get older i'm a father you let so much stuff go yeah if i see a skateboarder i am stoked you know what i mean i don't care how they skate how they push what they do you let so much stuff gets left so you're more patient now 100 that that that 18 year old that's demonstrating some insecurity talking crap on some instagram post you know what he'll be 38 one day god willing and he'll look back on that 18 year old kid and be like i used to be kind of a dick yeah yeah skateboarding is rad and i'm so grateful that i was gifted a skateboard yep because it's it's like it's it's sacred it's the best thing not to sound over dramatic or cliche no like i don't want to be overly dramatic but it's it is really a blessing and a gift skateboarding so like anybody with it should be stoked yeah it's it's that's my message kids and i think as a kid growing up i mean especially in the 90s too like we were very judgmental talking it's just kind of the we did it we did it we did it right like we knew everybody did it right but that's i think that's the difference though between now and then was like you're doing it kind of in your own clicks right now people are doing it out in the public in open forums where it's like their voice is being heard by people that probably shouldn't even listen to their voice in the first place you know what i mean so you know i'm well i think we're all guilty of it but i think you're right though you grow up you look back and sure i've learned that too i've learned that man i've seen i've seen that negativity on instagram oh yeah people straight up like oh that guy has terrible style yeah or that looked booty or just you guys probably see it constantly on instagram right because you guys are [ __ ] right so but you know like and you're like oh there's always that part of you you know your pride kicks in you're like what do you mean you you you look at me typing yeah i should be doing this what do you mean you and you're like you know what peop everybody has their stuff yeah everybody has their insecurities everybody feels jealous or left out or beefy about something and as hard as it is you have to go you just have to let it get delivered you have to let it go as much as your pride wants you to be like how how dare yeah you have to let it go waste my time on people yeah think about all the positive things that are said to you like you have to focus on those like yeah but it's just sometimes it's that one comment that just strikes a chord and it just kind of bites you and you're like chris rock talks about the one guy in the audience that doesn't laugh right yeah yeah you know and you're just a little bit like ugh you get hyper focused i know everyone's laughing and that one guy is just sitting there yeah chris rock that said that and that that's the guy he tries to work on yeah oh okay yeah i always trip out it's like someone said on a podcast like hey if you don't like idiot at a restaurant then don't eat there yeah it's kind of like if you don't like something just don't pay don't go somewhere else i always use the analogy i'm just like yo just change the channel yeah dude there's a lot of content out there just change the channel yeah like you don't have to you'll find something find something you'll find something like that you don't need to hate on yeah put your energy into that type of stuff but yeah you just you just you just let it go and you just try to understand where it might be coming from i gotta you know since you got into acting and you got soup that was your thing for a long time what was it like coming seeing skateboarding taking a break from it coming back and seeing what was going on in skateboarding well that was 2003 i was 33. so i had not skated for eight years with the exception of mumford that movie god that feels like nine weeks ago i told that story have we been here have we been here for what it feels like we've been here for what feels like 18 years for me it feels like 19 minutes is you guys need some windows in here this is like vegas there's no clocks or windows oh we're pumping in we're doing that how much time is passing you don't know how much time i mean is that crate they just you know and then they i think on main street in disneyland they pump out the cotton candy smell there you go do they i think they do oh we need to start i think they pump out the scents right because right when you get there when you smell the corn dogs and the cotton candy that wallet starts vibrating within okay we we have five kids so it's seven of us that's expensive and we went to disneyland for our now five-year-old daughter's birthday amazing and we actually made it through without somebody dying like we had the double stroller and it was all seven of us like no babysitter helper no tour guide that you can pay for whatever at disneyland it was just a seven and we made it through good job with minimal children melting down got you high on cotton candy right what's that like for you oh sorry i was gonna say this the cotton candy crash is real it's gnarly we did have some meltdowns but it wasn't that bad uh what was your question again i was gonna ask like what is it like going to disneyland like no before that going back to skating oh yeah what's it like what was it like going going away from skating for a bit focusing on acting and then coming back and skating and seeing what's going on in this industry what what was after i did because i wasn't paying attention to the industry as much oh okay right uh so i got a board and steve berra's skate park oh i was i i ran into steve barra at somebody at a a birthday party or some event somewhere so somebody was having a birthday party um and there were a bunch of skaters there and steve barrow was there and i hadn't seen steve berra for probably the early from since the early skateboarding days and he goes hey are you skating hey where have you been all these years but kind of thing you should start skating i have a skate park out by the budweiser plant in van nuys this was i guess before the barracks yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah private park uh skate at any time i was like wow that's really cool thanks steve bera um and i started going there every night and i gave myself about a month to get skateboarding back again okay and then i called pastors and said i'm skating again i'm okay enough again to where i i'd like to skate with you again uh pastors was living down in san diego stereo was kind of on pause for a little bit chris was working with osiris as the the team manager yes i remember that and we were in touch i knew that the the sort of early 2000s was a little bit of a a slow time for stereo and i had it in my heart like okay we've got to figure something out here so like we were talking about with timing it seemed like running into steve berra oh i'm going to start skating again chris and i are best friends for life but we're we're both aware that we're both aware that stereos kind of pause there for a minute and let's resuscitate that so it was great timing for that too so chris was back up in la we started stereo with giant matt irving the designer started working with us blah blah blah and i was skating the that private park pretty much every night and one night anthony van england came mark johnson came and kevin long thank you guys wow heavy hitters and i knew who all of them were and i knew obviously that they were amazing and i became friendly with mark johnson and i watched him skate and i was like oh that's like weird next level crazy talent oh that's what that is holy shnikeys that's garlic i was doing 360 flips to thank to fakie on the bank there was the the bench so the the thing that you could all be over there was a bench on the side i was actually able to manage a few kickflip uh 5-0 grinds across it which i was really stoked about and um but i was really nervous so i didn't know much about what was going on with what are the companies now and blah blah blah but i definitely knew that skateboarding was gnarly because i was watching spanky and i was watching mark johnson and anthony van england and i just at 33 in 2003 i just felt kind of old like i'm just gonna watch these rad skateboarders but i tried to like keep up and i think i did okay yeah um and um it was cool meeting those guys and then uh that then it it went from there and then i hurt my back really badly when we were overseas filming way out east which came out in o4 so i couldn't really skate for a while after that huh but i had that nice little run right yeah and then getting stereo some new breath i love it it's cool that you could come back to skating and not be like oh man i didn't get sponsors to stay alive and whatever you could just skate and yeah it was just the fun of skating and the feeling like when i did that first kick flip you know yeah yeah it was after eight years it's like doing all over again 360 flip after eight years and then i did that kickflip back tail up the extension ooh michael michael mealy shot that no damn at the park at the park that's sick so you could roll down the thing and there was the short quarter pipe side and then the long quarter pipe side and there was an extension and i was able to do a kick flip tail up the extension wow you pump off the quarter pipe right you pump off the the down ramp or whatever the down ramp yeah yeah the long down ramp and then i was able to do that i was super stoked but i'm sorry was this a bearish part the private so he had the two ends and then the bang in the middle big quarter pipe yeah so i would do like grind the quarter pipe and then come down and push and then do a kick flip fakie on the bank and then i saw mark johnson and i was like hey hey man i can't wait i'm not defeated you're you're pretty good at that no he was he's on the next level for sure all those people for instance i mean anthony ben england power yeah he's got the power switch trains switch trey pals i saw the pa i saw his the stuff greg hunt shot oh yeah that was dc oh that too propeller yeah where he does something off that big loading dock at the end or something he does something like what he did off the end i don't remember that anyway i saw that stuff and he was like right he's so [ __ ] up to watch president yes then england yeah oh yeah it's one of my favorites for sure hands down he's uh he's from orange county too oh he's i'm from orange county as well you are i'm from laguna hills laguna hills and where is van england from uh well lake forest i want to say okay he grew up that's here irvine yes uh i was born in orange i lived in costa mesa as a kid then we moved to salem oregon for maybe a year or something and then huntington beach where did you start skating in huntington in costa mesa i have the photo wow you have the first day of skating yeah we were at kmart or fedco or something in the 70s remember fedco and uh you know it would have been the what would have been called like the banana boards so my my older brother james he's two years older so i'm seven he's nine it's 1977. my mom got the drugstore prince you know what i mean like snapshot with the little kodak camera and i'm doing a wheelie on my board and i got the yellow one and my brother got the blue one maybe my mom god bless her mama it was my brother my brother my brother my brother a friend said there's these guys skating an empty pool took my brother saw it whoa my brother started getting skateboarder magazines and then so the next time we were at kmart or whatever we saw these plastic boards james said uh mom can we get one each and my mom said yes so to my brother and to my mother um and then we also bmx race like road dirt by very seventies yeah i had a comb in my back pocket van halen t-shirt like shitty 70s hair you know bmx bike with whatever spare parts you could steal from a friend you know very kind of 70s orange county suburban kind of put a little baseball card in the spokes yeah exactly like bmx skateboard you know all that stuff and then 13 i got a veriflex like a a cheat another cheap department store board but better than the last one but better than the la the first one and then i started getting like uh seconds like i knew somebody in high school uh who knew my uh madrid and so i would for like five bucks i would buy like the warped madrid boards wow oh still brand new but just a little warped yeah so i was about i was a i was 15 when i really got into skateboarding just like so interesting yeah like really get so i skated a little bit in the 70s and then again at 13 but you're just rolling around learning how to like roll off curves and stuff you're not doing a trick 15 it was like let's flip the switch same kind of thing i just always had a board around butt board roll down the driveway you also rode your bikes whatever exactly yeah and your brother stopped skating or yeah yep uh and then yeah 15 it was on it was on yeah it was on damn and then and then shortly after that that's when you met um and no i was going to say gonz and those guys or was that later closer to 18 or when you said you were doing the you you met up again the memory so it would have been like the the boards that i bought from my friend and then it would have been uh because he said he made bronze then it would have been gone it was like templeton and rocco and then blind and then run through the stereo but at one point in time didn't you have a shoe on vision air walker air walk i'm sorry air water tony hawk that's incredible i got my first check for 25 grand and then the next check was like 600 bucks so that that balloon deflated fast wow shoe deals back then we're a little different well you get paid every month back then or just quarterly so that was quarterly okay so that was the big you know the big initial release surge boom and then it just went nowhere god and then because matt hensley wore those really soft low-cut etnies even though i had a contract with uh air walk and i loved that low-cut gym shoe that was my shoe man uh i got the cover of transworld right here that's it yeah yeah and i'm wearing the etnies even though i'm i'm on air i didn't know it would make the cover but i wore those because i was such a matt hensley fan wow cause matt hensley wore those and those were soft man those were like slippers and sin who who worked he was like the big designer guy at air walks so sweet uh he was like i don't worry about it oh wow they didn't say anything yeah yeah it was a little different back then yeah yeah you could never take some [ __ ] like that now no you they'd have to ask you to photoshop the shoes yeah is that rosenberg that's a young jacob rosenberg lance mountain yep that was him probably at skate camp that's amazing oh yeah that's right or something like that yeah he was a janitor probably one of everybody's heroes yeah we watched the bones brigade video show which came out in 82 and that we needed that humor right doesn't he the the dummy the lance dummy gets thrown over the right and then he's just being kind of goofy and we were like yes that's funny that's rad he was uh for me he was the four-on-one guy he was the guy in in in four and one yeah he was the guy who introduced everyone and i grew up on that so i was like yeah yeah always with the humor yeah and um yeah i you know the bones brigade video show would have been okay skateboarding is real wow oh my god and then of course we animal chin and all that stuff primitive and then animal chin and then ray barbie comes around and the world kind of goes hmm there's something kind of magical happening here and right and we're gonna we're gonna be moving into some epic epic territory yeah ray barbie hit hard didn't he that's great especially for somebody like me because yeah i didn't see very many black people skateboarding besides steve steadham there was very like selective few that but definitely that was so eye-opening for me wow that's amazing this is a beautiful thing i'm like i'm doing this right yeah very cool what a what a time back then holy [ __ ] did you have a skate shop that you went to by your house grimace grim is my first sponsor on uh huh what's the main road in main street was it beach or golden west beach board i think okay yeah yeah there's there's beach boulevard pretty pretty big yeah i think it was on beach boulevard okay it's like the local skate shop so sick and mark had a he there was a wall they had and mark had signed it when i first went in there i was like oh that's gone's a signature yeah yeah yeah and i worked there for a minute too wow like grip taping boards and putting together boards and stuff yeah so that was my first sponsor when did the huntington park was that there when you lived that little tiny skate park little one yeah no no that came much like it came later yeah yeah for sure and then i was on z z was one of my sponsors earlier z roller yeah and then bran brand x i got boards from brand x i think yeah wow and then and then the rocco thing would eventually happen dude i've always wanted to try some z rollers i just think it would be so funny they were they were super rad but uh scary yeah and then i just didn't ride them because they were too scary and then i said i can't ride these things ultimately they were ultimately cool yeah yeah you could slap any curb you want it was short-lived though it wasn't it was sure i just can't find a pair i would love to just try one just for fun you know i bet if you tried to slap you with those they would break oh right now yeah because they were kind of thin on the sides you know i think you could even find it have you tried i've looked on ebay it's just one truck here one truck and then there's like outrageous maybe 500 bucks or something maybe people are embarrassed to have them still i don't know i don't know maybe they just don't want to acknowledge i'm kidding i'm kidding i'm kidding was there uh was there like a when you were growing up skating maybe especially during like the blind days were you guys like looking up to other people or just about other skaters like out there were you just kind of hyper focused around your what was going on around you when you say we do you mean mark two yeah like you mark like were you guys fans of like who did mark look to yeah that's what i'm saying like how who you guys like always look to neil blender neil bliss is a source of just fun and yeah just great energy and creativity uh neil blender he was the character in himself for sure man um the days that i hung out with mark and neil blender sitting in the back seat of neil blinder's volvo man just driving around huntington beach and neil would roll down the window and just start talking to random people in the car next like it was just so it like it was like i was you know a fly on the or like a documentarian sitting in the back seat just watching these guys interact mark and neil blender wow yeah that was just super fun and you never knew what was coming next but like people you didn't know like other skaters were you guys mark was always stoked on new skaters which was really cool interesting always right and that's why he got rudy and got like that's what he was all about like dude there's this kid from philly who's ripping or yeah who does this i want to learn that yeah he was hungry mark you could tell i mean just drive by going to your house just to see at 360. yeah that's crazy in itself i think that's such a beautiful story like how the [ __ ] did he find you a like he just like go over there by those houses somebody told them it just goes to show that you don't need google maps nobody needs a smartphone how did natas mike v chris pastors oh neil blinder mark me ed templeton my friend mike player how did we all get together without one night and skate together with no cell phones landline call nadas call o look through the book mark would stay up all night sit he had a dining table and he would just sit there and he'd be on his landline all night talking to people from australia his friend in london and he was always sketching on napkins and wow yeah and doing drawings and it was all just landline and i'd be watching a movie or asleep on the couch and he would just be drawing and talking to random people he had a little phone book and he had notes and stuff everywhere [ __ ] all over the table you know it was just amazing that's so sick what a hell of a phone bill oh man yeah and then just and then we just made mad top ramen that's it yeah just mad talk yeah mad top ramen and mark would drink japanese plum wine with pepsi japanese oh yeah japanese plum wine and he would put pepsi in it and he'd be listening to whatever music and talking on the phone i love it it was just so so much to draw from right we we were we drove me ron chatman and chris pastrus and mark drove to new york from l.a and there was a handrail that was literally passed higher than my my pelvic bone here and there was a hedge of bushes on the other side so when you if you tried to board slide it if anyone was crazy enough to basically the front wheels would be like uh in the bushes weed like whacking off the top of the thing it was something that was literally impossible to do so we're skating around washington dc and mark goes dude dude i want to slide that handrail and me pastors and chapman uh i grew up skating with ron chatman too amazing in long beach and we were like we were trying to like really push each other ed templeton steve robert ron chatman guys that eventually became like sponsors like those were big guys that we helped kind of shape each other um uh and we are like no way mark puts his board up on the rail and chris pastors and chapman are holding his board up and they let go and he slides down it and then like jumps into the hedge and we're like dude mark you're gonna get hurt this is gnarly i mean i'm not kidding you it must have been like a 15 stair handrail that curved around and went way it was it was probably as long as the downtown rail where greco skates the curve yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah oh yeah oh he's got a rush okay i'll break that out in a second um i'm i think the rail was close to that and then mark goes okay i got a feel for it and then he gets on his board all these up it's board slides down it and then just disappears down the street punctuating it with one of his trademark big front side 180 ollies as he's going down the street oh wow and we're just like so mark had that weird thing that i think weirdos like pat duffy have yeah where they're like it makes sense to them that they could do that whereas the average brain goes i don't want to go get stitches today yeah yeah yeah yeah and he just did it first try waiting no we didn't have a camera nobody had cell phones this is 1991. wow and we finally make it to new york and then we celebrate my 21st birthday in new york jeremy henderson's place no way yeah so funny when it gone's ollie the uh waldenberg and then did the 180 right after like you look back on that now and you're like this dude just ollie the gnarliest set of stairs and you do a what did raj bring out right here was that something that we should share or what is this that's uh spike shot a couple photos amazing wow and we used one in a blind i think that's is that the one i'm eating cereal mark is doing something in the other photo there's one where he's got the bb gun yeah but this was this was the deal that was the so rad that was at mark's house uh wait one i think i have a pipe or he has a pipe i can't remember okay but yeah and that's just a natural setting there that's like not set up yeah and just yeah no mark's amazing art yeah such a rad artist yeah so this is like 1990. you got the jason lee board with the the cat in the hat i mean such good art back then too i mean those boards are just so iconic now you can understand why people are like looking for those and they they sell for a lot of money those go for mad money yeah the important thing though is what's up with those pants pajamas there you go no they're like plaid tapered pants that was a [ __ ] at that time though limpies were they ladies too they had that that might be limbs wow wow and you do collect that was some stuff like you said we went to your storage one time and you had a lot you had a good collection i kept a lot of the stuff which is so sick boards that i wrote and stuff back in the 80s that's interesting to me like grammatical speakers on them and stuff yeah like air walk stickers and venture trips what made you want to keep used boards that's very interesting to me a lot of people just want to keep you did new boards like stuff like that maybe because it's interesting hey i remember writing that you know yeah yeah you know just fun at the time but at the time when you're saving this stuff it didn't come to my mind to save used boards was it all the boards or just certain boards some of the boards no i wasn't selective like that's an important time so i'm going to keep that board okay some i probably threw out some i kept but i do have some that i wrote in photos and magazines that's in stores okay and so probably 20 years ago my mom calls and says hey i have a world industries box that you gave me in the early 90s that i never opened oh wow you like it back wow so i get the box back from mom and i cut open the tape that had been taped from the warehouse i put together a box for my mom gotcha that world industry sent it to her okay hang on to these you might want these one day she never opened the box so she sends me back the box and i open the box and there's like however many boards can fit into a skate box ten yeah it was probably seven seven bucks okay and they were all my boards there was like a burger king board in there the tony hawk buzzard skull board in there the dump truck board in there there were all these kind of wow important boards to me and i pulled them out of the board bags and i could smell the silk screen it was unbelievable wow trap so i have the box and it's in my basement in my house in los feliz at the time and the basement flooded oh so if this is the wall i have the board box leaning up against the wall and the basement flooded at the bottom so every one of those boards about seven inches on each of the tails is completely stained oh man it took off the veneer and everything yeah but i heard that there's people that restore boards oh wow that's interesting because every that ever they're brand new time capsule boards but the tails each have fade from the water oh yeah wow they could get fixed and when i saw that i was really upset yeah that's bummer that is a bummer but you still have ninety percent of the graphic i mean that's true we're talking about that it's yeah but that was really cool to open that box at a time capsule like you said that is just over a decade that is that's crazy wow my mom keeps so much stuff but i have like in storage i have my airwalk shoes and i have the the first samples okay the boxes i have um boards that i wrote and uh boards that i broke in half that i kept um you have your new like new boards like i i kept a bunch of new stereo stuff as well yeah i don't have one of my first i only have broken ones or skated ones i never kept an unwritten first pro model oh wow so if there's anybody out there that wants to part with one call these guys and they'll get in touch with me or hit him on his dm but it's fun to kind of go through i have uh some of my blind shirts still in the shrink wrap and stuff i just get kind of nostalgic and i kind of like it's fun well i mean a lot of people these days are trying to go back and put together their their first boards you know they'll search out the trucks and they'll search out the wheels wow that's cool they'll try to put that board back together of their first one it may not be the same wheels in the same truck exactly yeah in some cases riser pads yep yep we've been seeing that a lot you know but i and i fully understand you know there's like that time it brings you back and everything um i just can't believe that the only used board i saved was your board my first board jason lee you told that story about 15 hours ago that was about yeah there's something about this room where it the time rips by but it also feels like you've been here for six months like it feels like i was here yesterday and now i came back today for part two but it's all the same day for me it's been about 20 minutes because this is you guys put something in my san pellegrino um by the way deliciousness just plug [Laughter] no this is great man like i i could sit here and i'm sure i love ron i've had many people encourage me to do this show yeah jason dill would have been the most recent uh he said those guys are amazing and i knew i've heard nothing but rad things about you guys that's awesome and um jacob rosenberg many just sweet rad people that have said you guys are great yeah and you have to do the show and of course i was like only if they pay me and uh so i'm stoked about that yeah yeah wait it's like who agrees who's going to come for 20 bucks yeah super stoked you know we love these guys listen i always say it takes a village you know it's a filmers it's a photographers it's a team managers it's skaters it's everybody and i we want to hear all their stories you know it's like the jacob rosenberg i love how diverse and sort of well it's not just skateboarders it it's all relative yes or you know like it's it's all the different it's different yeah perspectives i mean it's all skateboarders but it's like they work differently in that realm they're not just a pro skater they are the guy that captured it what are we working on now time-wise three three hours three hours man that's about normal though it's normal it's normal yeah oh yeah it really doesn't feel like three hours ah it's fun man like like i said like i think people like coming on the show jacob rosenberg i mean we're genuinely interested and yeah that's because that's why that's the only way it works i mean i love this type of [ __ ] you know and i don't care if it's coming you know if it's the photographers and film they have such a different stories than the skater would have yeah jacob rosenberg coming on here telling jason lee's stories would be totally different from the jason lee stories telling jason lee till you know what i mean yeah yeah what about grant did he come on gotta get grant britain his new book is gotta get grant yeah it'll be a great time there's a lot of people knights would be great bryce would be awesome hell yeah so many skate for dark tobin oh yeah he's down the street he lives around here let's go i mean of course mark gonzalez of course oh yeah but remember 150k yeah yeah yeah that's my fee it's your favorite yours hey when you when you posted on instagram that you were coming on the show the response that i deleted it i got too many dms yeah you didn't watch it i got too many dms it was psychotic i was getting hit oh my god plus i was like all right let's just not let's just let these i didn't want to step on your toes no no no no toe's being stepped on i love you i remember looking at it because i remember talking with you but yeah we'll do it on the 11th and then i looked at my phone like holy [ __ ] is blowing up yeah a lot of people you know this is amazing i love who gives a crap we do come on dude oh skaters here skater yeah i know i know skaters we love it skaters characters i mean we live here right now than ever more now than oh yeah we live breathing [ __ ] these you know skateboarding yeah it's it's it's definitely an honor and a privilege having you on oh man all these stories and everything i call skateboarders because i love reminiscing about skateboarding so when dill and these guys told me that it was like just real genuine nerding out i was stoked yeah yeah you know what i mean because it's got to be that way i mean i really get nostalgic about skateboarding you know they say you're not supposed to be sentimental but i don't care i am i love it i love walking down memory lane and nerding out i call skateboarders i get their numbers really i i got danny way's number from jacob rosenberg and i asked danny i call him and ask him questions amazing he's like how do you do what you do and i literally nerd out danny way on the phone and i interview him yeah yeah yeah like so okay that one x games where you slammed really hard how did you get back up and then win yeah and he goes i just do it yeah i was like all right good enough same thing and then from danny i got matt hensley's number wow and i called matt hensley and i got to like go matt you're one of my heroes i haven't spoken to you in decades it's so good to hear from you i hope you're well you're such an important piece of skateboarding that was cool i talked to matt hensley maybe once a month and then i got kareem's number oh wow as kareem campbell is like uh did you guys see kareem campbell's leave this part in please did you see his 360 flip fakie at the barracks yes i did i think everyone quarter pipe yeah and just happens to roll up to the and it's one of the best 360 flips i've ever seen above the coping and got that pow you got the power and coming in fakey on that and also i got to talk to kareem such a genuine genuinely humble individual he was on his holiday in with his girlfriend in mexico amazing and he picked up the phone oh wow yeah and we nerd it out for 20 minutes i love that it's so good to hear from you kareem i miss you blah blah blah and he was just the sweetest guy but that 360 flip was both one of the most incredible things i've ever seen and it also made me feel really bad about myself because it would take me a good month of just skating skateboarders and like to get up to be able to do a 360 flip fakie like that on a quarter pipe yeah yeah so my hat's off to kareem because that was one of the prettiest 360 flips i've ever seen old skater young skate goofy regular it doesn't matter right that was like wow it was a thing of beauty when i saw that i was like and everybody was reposting it oh yeah yeah yeah everybody was commenting and reposting that's what i'm talking about yeah that's right tony hawk was saying something about but it was just so good that even like jaron just said like was that recent yeah or was that old almost i was old for a second but that's what i'm saying it was so good it was recent yeah but the question i was like this has got to be old like how this is yeah how do you come out in the you don't see him for a while he does it like he's incredible yeah he's still out there skating i'm going to do it i'm going to do it i'm going to do a 360 flip fakie on a quarter pipe please and kareem's honor please you should definitely do that jason yeah you can do that we believe in you as skateboards bro you know you just got to get yourself out there yeah it does it's hard to realize that you have to get yourself into skate shape to do that right yeah you can't just get on your board and start doing [ __ ] again definitely do what about neil blender talk to neil blender at all i haven't talked to him in years i talked to lance lance mountain that's cool i talked to ray barbie nice oh we need to get ray barbie on a lot of these people we need on the show who lance he has been on the show but a ray barby been on the show you've had stevie steve um matt hensley would be amazing matt hensley dude we're just fans and we i love that yeah yeah more now than ever skateboarders know skateboarding yeah you know what i mean that's what it feels like the brotherhood the sisterhood the the communal energy of skateboarding seems to be at an all-time high well i think what i was going to say something like you brought a good point of when you were skating you didn't really look in the past because it was all progression at that point yep i similarly had that same thing yeah i wasn't looking so you had no idea who the hell i was then no no when i first started no actually yeah when i first started i had no idea i knew i knew who jerome wilson was yeah i saw a mouse i saw a trilogy i saw kareem in there right it's all day one molinar's first video was mouse oh yeah yeah so later he had to discover the video days exactly makes sense yeah but you're right everybody is sort of guilty of just like forward forward forward and maybe it's not a bad thing right yeah but i feel like now and you guys would know this more than i do because you have a podcast but i feel like now more people are connecting past and future yes that's that's what i was going to say the exact same thing that kelly just said was because like i i'm guilty of it too i first started skating i skated around here i was hyper focused on what i saw saw the girl guys blind world day one and everybody so it took me a while to then go back and revisit it it takes a minute and that's why i love this show and i love to be able to sit here and talk to a lance mountain not only talk to him but just sit back and listen to the stories and i'm tripping that lance mountain's here telling his life story to to us yeah it's such a trip oh man yes like valerie sits here for five and a half hours and just an animal tell like it's it's an honor to sit here and listen to everybody's stories like that's why we love it cool that's really cool otherwise what is the point right yeah you're not genuinely stoked and it's cool it wouldn't have lasted it would have been away man no way it would have been like a thing of the past but the thing is is there's definitely um people love what they do in the sense of like especially in this platform yeah we all love skateboarding yeah so we all would love to talk about skateboarding with somebody that's [ __ ] been in the game for so long yeah yeah that's cool that's really cool and just to learn yeah i just love to learn i genui i genuinely feel the same way like i call these guys dude what was it like when you landed that trick like i'm a fan of skateboarding yeah another guy i got to talk with for about 30 minutes recently was grant taylor oh wow that's incredible right because i had seen some footage of him on instagram and i was like who the hell is this yeah he stands out gnarly the way he does it and what he does is no like none other it's incredible yeah did you see that 360 flip he does over that hump yeah oh yeah yeah i love it he's calling everybody at the 360 flips yeah that is i gotta call this guy with the tray flip but that's and that you know that account that i follow all hail skateboarding right he makes the clips quick so it's almost rhythmic sometimes and so this grant taylor three says it goes and it just repeats and you're just like it's so we get stuck i'm gonna pull that please do i think i know what you're it's over like the little hip thing it's a round bump oh that noise yeah dude when you could hear jason when you could hear the catch yeah that is that's you know what you strive for you're the catch and the wheel that's it [Music] the sounds of that though oh sorry dude i could hear i could i feel you though right to his feet i love that you had to call him yeah i love that you had to call him i'm not kidding you hey i called him and just said hey man you may not know me i got your number from how did i get his number i was like i just saw some footage of you skating and you're just incredible and i just wanted to tell you that what a memory that you're gonna have for like calling him like that that's i mean like you've seen he frontside ollie's out of bowls like head high yeah and then does that yeah yeah his street skating is incredible as well like it's unreal yeah i never see him as a little kid i remember the first time i saw him i used to skate with his dad back in the day oh yeah his dad's he's just yeah yeah but i never seeing him at a trade show and it was this little kid skating by himself across the street yeah and i was like who's that kid he's like oh i said first of all that's grant taylor he's on alien workshop i was like for back then get on alien oh yeah that was huge i'm like who's wait a little kid i've never heard of but like it was amazing to see the team managers or people back then saw the talent in him as a kid and to see where he actually took it incredible because it's hard he took it far man yeah because you know some people have talent and don't use it right and he really really that's for sure man he's a good example of that all around skater that you you see more and more of these days like i said totally totally what's that his dad was pro yeah his dad was pro yeah for who new deal new deal thomas taylor yeah he had his own company and they have stratosphere companies many many years yeah right yeah yeah it's amazing man it's amazing that we could just pick up a phone and call another skater and like just wrap i'm not kidding you i super nerd out about this stuff yeah it's so real so hopefully that that's coming across i love it it's an honor to be here with you dude this year and just we've been talking about this geeking out on this one i mean this is basically the phone calls that i have with with these guys like just telling stories and asking questions and nerding out this is what it's like i love to be on the phone with these and talking to lance and isn't that great oh it's a cat it's so great i mean he's sitting here with his soy and him telling i'm just like dude this is like actually dude oh it's a dream man do you on a random note off of skateboarding like when it comes to acting do you have someone like you had gone growing up with guns or skating with guns was there an actor or someone that kind of mentored you in that realm mentored no no but people that i liked actors that i liked yeah what was that like going in like you know because you they're actors and you don't know them per se but then like it's kind of like you meeting gonz you don't know him but you're like wow this is incredibly big guns was there certain actors that you met that were on the same term like oh my god oh i see what you're saying yeah sorry i didn't really wear it that great but burt reynolds bert was like when burt reynolds was like as a kid growing up you know burt reynolds was like cannonball run let's go cannonball run smokey in the bandit uber uh he was just a 70s icon yeah when he came on the set of earl everything stopped i mean we had crazy amazing guest actors on that show for four years loved that but when burt reynolds came on the show man everything stopped he had the stash like he had he was in like an old school town car and he had a driver like old school hollywood he was still there he was still like in the 70s you know what i mean and he was so sweet wow everything stopped when he came on the set all the crew everybody was like damn that's burt reynolds that's amazing so much movie history all right yeah another funny i thought about it uh norm mcdonald playing burt reynolds in that jeopardy skit yeah turd ferguson yeah yeah yeah he's so great at 70s burt reynolds he's so good um i met philip seymour hoffman on the set of almost famous we didn't have any scenes together but meeting him was like oh [ __ ] this guy's a really talented actor and just kind of like um uh meeting him there uh on that set even though we didn't i wasn't working that day i was just on set and i got to meet him and that was the only time i met him that was like wow this guy's in a that's a really sad case yeah but it's rad that his son is working and he was in paul thomas anderson's new movie pizza paul thomas saying oh so more hoffman's son yeah um uh you said you worked with steve buscemi no but that's what was one of my early inspirations okay um there's an australian actor named noah taylor he played the manager and almost famous okay the kind of wily uh man before jimmy fallon's character comes in and takes over he's the manager and he was also in vanilla sky which is another cameron crow movie that i did after almost famous he's like an australian legend this actor i think we're about the same age maybe he's a couple years older but i had seen some of the australian films that he was in and he was like one of my favorite actors early on and i got to work with him that's right so i super fanned out on him when i met him on almost famous um who else pastors yeah i gotta say pastors because he's not really an actor but one of the funniest people i've ever met chris pastrus and just the 35 years and so much of like the fun goofiness that you see in video days the stupid songs coach frank yeah so much of that came out of pastors loved that you know yeah so much of that came out of that relationship that i had with pastors and hanging out with mark and just being goofy and having a good time you know that's what it's all about pastors is really good in front of the camera like he could talk i don't really came on the show but i was like one time they asked me to do something for like some olympic thing hey we want you to introduce this and like i was like yo i can't i can't do that well yeah have chris pastors do it yeah he did it first try chilling and i was like chris how do you do that yeah yeah he's a funny man yeah he just has it down and i just like always applauded his work because he he announces a lot of skateboard stuff and like i've done stuff with him too and i'm like same thing with kelly like the [ __ ] do you do that chris is funny dude yeah he is super super funny awesome yeah he'd be a good actor oh does he ever try to get him in some [ __ ] yeah it's not really your place you're like you're an actor you know we did a pilot for mtv years ago i think it was oh it was like a kind of variety show yeah and it was pretty good but it didn't they didn't but yeah i'd love to see chris doing some stuff man it's a brutal world huh acting and show business and stuff it's brutal it's crazy wow you really gotta have like thick skin and really patience patience is such a long tenacity and everything all of the above yeah yeah is there crazy politics like that skateboarding isn't as gnarly but is it like that in the film industry oh in terms of like uh hiring people that have more value than somebody else yeah maybe something like that yeah there's stuff like that yeah yeah sure yeah yeah connections is real yeah yeah man yep well this has been fabulous hey dude we having another show well listen it's the same show but it's called a stop and chat returning guests come back and we just sit here and shoot the [ __ ] and talk and stuff like that love to have you back anytime tomorrow we're gonna stay here for a little longer and just do another one the only way i would sleep here is if we delivered some good food and we turned that ac on oh yeah the ac because after three hours of interviewing now i'm pretty swamp ass we got showers you want swamp ass you want to feel like you're in a sauna for three to five hours come do the nine club show i'm about to get home and take a cold bath and clean out that swamp ass i love that he just did a commercial for and drink san pellegrino [Laughter] it's a two two for one right there yeah it's a commercial for the nightclub and san pellegrino hey guys thank you so much before you leave oh yeah before i leave yeah we want to give you some nine club stuff to take home okay if you want we have sweaters and mugs and we just like to give a little parting gift okay great you know if you don't mind kelly large xl large large yes and um yeah it's been amazing though thank you guys so much like i said just the stories and i can sit here and just listen to yeah just story after story it's me too i love it yeah something that we grew up doing and it turned into something for us and it just keeps you know having the show five years like yeah yeah it's fun and you don't get tired of it uh it'll be two years in august two years ago and you all live around here i live in sherman oaks so you you have to take the 405 yeah cause that's a grind it depends you know what on the times that we're filming it's not bad thanks for accommodating me for 12 30 by the way of course you guys normally do night time right it did we i thought i would have enough time to pick up a little younger brother right but i didn't think you know and so that's why i had pilot drive himself so that he could bounce early to pick up because he needs to be picked up by 4 30 and it's already 443 a day okay but here's some nine club stuff to take home with you uh we got a yeti little cooler thing there we got a pelicano in there yeah put your paw or your coffee or your coffee yeah we'll get you a san pellegrino sticker you could put on there and there's this is this good for coffee mm-hmm yeah dude so if i if i really want to get amped up i can go from this to this that's correct okay you don't do the blow anymore oh okay good good here's some nine clubs shirts to to um why does it say skaters supporting porn stars [Laughter] so do you want to say skaters supporting skaters jason you don't support them what are you talking about here here's some uh here's a here's a set of belts we did a collab with grip six you can give your son some belts your daughters you know what i mean like they look very like clip yeah they're they're great belts a little care package for you to take home and uh you know yeah thanks for coming thank you so much for coming jason is incredible and please come back hey and come back any time please yeah we'll do the what's it called it's a stop and chat we'll do a stop and shop and chat only you know a couple hours whatever we've a couple two hours two hours but then we'll go we'll actually look at clips and talk about yeah if you want to look at clips oh we can do that we take um questions from like we have a discord i don't know if you can discord it's a whole it's like a another new app social twitch discord we take some discord questions from our our community our skateboarding fans and stuff like that and it's really fun we just hang out and shoot the [ __ ] yeah i'll do it yeah so tomorrow yeah additional feed and make sure to send uh so make sure to send that oh yeah yeah we'll tackle telegram simple send them some bergamo yeah have you tried the the juices the not the good the flavored sandpaper in the cake oh that one you take the foil off the top it's like you're opening a gift i like the foil i like that it's a good touch san pellegrino man and yeti i do have a yeti cooler you do i do have a yeti cooler so yeti why don't you send me some product listen so that i can put my icy cold san pellegrino in one of your coolers [Music] so [Music] [Music] you

Channel: The Nine Club

Views: 543,900

Keywords: chris roberts, roger bagley, kelly hart, crob, the nine club, nine club, the 9 club, 9 club, skateboarding, skate, skating, podcast, history, interview, news, motivation, entertainment, funny, comedy, thrasher, nike sb, switch tre flip, firing line, jason lee, my name is earl, stereo skateboards, blind skateboards, mark gonzales, chris pastras, mike vallely, nbc, almost famous, clerks 2, mallrats, video days, a visual sound, dogma, the incredibles, alvin and the chipminks, Cameron Crowe

Id: Wtn7OThBfrU

Length: 201min 9sec (12069 seconds)

Published: Mon Mar 21 2022