Question & Answer| Randy Skeete, Kameron DeVasher, Don Mackintosh

the first question that's come in I'm going to direct it to pastor Randy skeet because I believe it refers to something that you mentioned during a few of your presentations it came in via Twitter and it says there's how can Jesus be God doesn't that contradict the God the doctrine of the Godhead Jesus is divine the Bible is very clear in Isaiah chapter 45 verse 18 the Bible said thus it the law that created the heavens God Himself that formed the earth and made it he hath established it he created it not in vain he formed it to be inhabited I am the Lord and there is none else meaning there is no one other than God who can create now in Hebrews chapter 1 a reading from verse 8 this is God the Father speaking let me say again God the Father and unto the unto the son he says thy throne O God is forever and ever a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of thy kingdom the father calls the son God in verse 10 the father says and thou Lord in the beginning has laid the foundation of the earth and the heavens are the works of thy hands the Bible is very clear only God can create and God the Father identifies Jesus as the creator in mark two five to seven Jesus forgave the sins of a man those sitting by said why does this man thus speak blasphemies who can forgive sins but God and so it's very clear from scriptures that Jesus is God John 11:25 I am the resurrection and the life only God can be that John 5 verse 40 and you will not come to me that you might have a life you can only get life from God the Bible is very clear Jesus is God by that I mean he is divine as much as the father is divine clear second question practical one how can I reach out to my friends baptized in church what participates in activities that are not right or rather damaging to health eg drug sex how do I do it because they know the truth and I don't want to come across as if I'm judging them or have I'll have them think I'm better than them simply because I'm a sin to myself but I'm also concerned well sub 1 + it is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly nor standeth in the way of sinners nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful but his delight is in the law of the Lord and on his law doth he meditate day and night so you see in there a a slippin you know you're first of all here you know your standing in the way of sinners and you're walking you're walking you're standing you're sitting so you're slowing down and you really have to the person that asked a question you have to ask the question really who are my friends and am i influencing them or are they influencing me and first of all we sometimes will you know walk with the ungodly and the things that you described in your question are ungodly and the call them ungodly is not judgment because you're not making judgment in terms of eternal salvation which we're called not to do but you can make judgment concerning you know actions or behaviors that are sinful or not sinful the best thing for you to do is really your friendship with them do what's right if they continue doing what's wrong they're not your friends and you need to move on however as we you know when I became a Christian truly a Christian I don't have any of the same friends most of those people are actually dead because they made decisions that led to death and and yet some of them are so we have to be compassionate but we have to follow the Lord and may I add while we should be kind and christ-like in everything that we do amen there's never an occasion to be unnecessarily hurtful or out of our way to be difficult of course not having said that this seems to be in my estimation a somehow we have been infected with this concept that if we're just nice enough the Lord will bless take your time everything's going to be fine the thing is conviction sometimes looks like anger when you preach an evangelistic campaign and you preach some truth that steps on someone's toes they're not always going to say thank you so much I appreciate you know we're closer now because no no no they might get up and lead but that doesn't mean that they're done that the Lord is working on their heart and at some point we have to again in a kind Christ like Jesus loves you kind of way be clear in our convictions be a living demonstration of the power of God in our lives and let there be a distinction between light and darkness the darkness doesn't need more darkness it needs light to know the way out and somehow we have to be resolute in our convictions and if there's a separation as the Book of Amos the Prophet tells us can two walk together unless they be one agreed there's a natural separation between the righteous and the sinful while we want to bring them along we need to be so careful that we don't round off the edges so that people don't see the distinction and we now come under condemnation for not making it clear where they need to go okay thank you next question third question how do we practice good judgment practical suggestions in John chapter 5 Jesus says I can have mine own self do nothing as I hear I judge and my judgment is just in other words Christ is saying all the assessments all the evaluations he made of various circumstances that confronted him was based over based on the word of his father it is the word of God that gives us clear and sound judgment and so if a question is how can I judge soundly or wisely let the Bible be the perspective from which you view every situation without exception God's Word provides sound judgment but you have to know God's Word and back up God's Word with the Enlightenment from the counsel of Evan white okay I'm going to move on to the next question which says I sometimes feel this to do with relationships male/female it can go both ways this question Arita assets I will read it as if asked I sometimes feel that women more attractive to me don't seem to possess the characteristics I'm searching for however women who may be less attractive to me seem to possess the biblical standards I'm looking for please tell me that was an anonymous yeah okay I Lucia how important should looks be in choosing a partner who excels in all other areas pastor skeet would it be safe to say that there's a correlation here to the dressing for beautiful holiness and for beauty it's important too I have a wife and she is gorgeous amen inside and out right but the inside Trump's the out every time and twice on Sunday if you understand what I'm saying the inside is you look at Peters council let not your adorning be with the outward right but with the inward the quiet the christ-like spirit and what is he going to say for this is how women of old made themselves beautiful there's nothing wrong with beauty there's nothing wrong with beauty I appreciate pastor Skeets you know we should not go out of our way somehow we've gotten this idea that inward beauty needs to be demonstrated by outward ugly yeah am i saying truth today yeah okay but I miss by the way mrs. white has clear counsel on this as well we should we should be respectable we should be decent we should be clean we should be modest we should be wholesome we should be we should look sharp but let that outward be merely an extension a reflection of the true inward character there's christ-like and can only come from him you know the other thing is that usually people that are good-looking are pretty aware of that and that's why they that's why they act so ungodly mmm and I got to tell you my wife is actually the most beautiful woman in the world and she has become more and more beautiful to me because of those character qualities and characteristics I had a man from Jamaica once so he says hot love no good for a man you need the love that grows and grows and that's the kind of love I have in my all right we're glad glad someone say Amen um following the sermon from Pastor skeet is there any hope for those that did not consult God in choosing a Korea there was hope for Jonah oh yeah where there was over Jonah yes of course there is now understand this fundamental principle the original path God has for you no Christian service page 9 paragraph 3 Alawite writes a distinct work is assigned to every Christian manuscript releases vol 14 page 205 paragraph 4 to each human being God has assigned an individuality and a distinct work now God's riches and sweetest blessings are to be found in the ideal path he has chosen for you if you do not follow that path and you fall an alternate path now God does not abandon you but the blessings you would receive in God's original choice you cannot enjoy in your alternate choice but God doesn't abandon you he could still use you it was not God's choice for Samson to run after prostitutes and end up the way he did but the Lord did not abandon him so depending on your age you can always say father with the rest of the time I have helped me to redeem the time show me what you would have me to do and it's amazing what God will do with you from the point on which you acknowledge father I depend on you completely he can do miracles with you but ideally you should get into the path God has chosen for you as soon as possible well any you think about it from this perspective sin itself was never God's ideal for us was it but was there hope for us of course there is redemption that's the whole plan right and in the analogy of when a bone is broken you know it heals at that break stronger than it has been originally now does that mean that there we should therefore extend that and make every bone broken so we can no no no no the ideal is still ever have a break but where sin abounds grace abounds all the more and so we serve a God of redemption and what your mistakes can turn into a testimony that he can use to your glory as well the question is do you recognize it and get on the right Road when he shows you the way thank you how can I tell the Holy Spirit is talking how can you tell the Holy Spirit is talking to you the Holy Spirit convicts of sin and righteousness and judgment to come so when you feel a conviction maybe you're angered at something that's being brought forth by God's Word and that anger can actually be a sign of conviction so it convicts of sin thankfully it doesn't just in there it also convicts of righteousness so you can say you know that's the right thing I can see logically and God uses reason come let us reason together so he he's reasonable and then judgment to come there's this sense of you know what I'd better do this this is something I need to do this is the operative factor and health evangelism people are convicted of sin they realize that what they're doing is wrong and they see what the right thing is to do and they need to do something about it and that's the principle of leading people from health to him when they see that that's why health evangelism is actually a work of the Holy Spirit and it is frontline evangelism it's it's wonderful to see Randy skeet can you please come back next year if it's God's will and even invite me I always tell them first pray first he may not want me God has hundreds of servants he may want somebody else so pray if you're convicted I am the one then God will make the way but don't just speak me because you like the right dress or the sound of my voice you Pig as the Lord directs kill somebody say amen amen why is it when a girl gets pregnant outside marriage girls usually get censored while the boy doesn't and in some churches whether or not people get censored depends on who you are what position your family holds surely this is not fair and the way the church shuns and kicks you when you at your lowest spiritually where is the love surely there is no place for favoritism I just think we should just agree with that and move on we agree with you the biggest problem with the church is is full of people yeah and people inherently stink God makes us better but we're all in here and so even even within even within leadership you need to pray for them be kind and gracious to them and expect more as the Lord continues to lead them but they're absolutely right hypocrisy is rampant and it is a real problem and it needs to be addressed but agree and move on yeah I was baptized at a very young age at the time I did not know the full meaning I did not even have take the lessons for baptism do I need to be rebaptised or is it a matter of recommitting to the Lord daily I'd encourage you to be baptized because you never really understood and baptisms supposed to come at the time that you understand we believe in adult baptism and people are baptized when they're in their full and right mind so be baptized I'm happy to talk to you about that okay this second question relates to baptism as well so I'll ask it now baptism erea baptism guilt I was baptized last year since then I've fallen by getting close with someone who's married yes hold this hold comments I was being a friend at the time and things changed we've never had sex but we have kissed I have stopped it since but the guilt has been weighing on me my question is what should I do should I get rebaptised or rebuild my life with the repentance I guess the the I think the council is this there's a couple of points but there's two chapters and testimonies five erroneous and true views of confession and in that those two chapters Ellen White's very clear that we should confess things openly that are open and we should publicly take care of the things that are open and then some things that are private we should keep to ourselves because it doesn't help us and it doesn't help others and I don't know what this particular situation is but if others have seen that you're cozying up to this person and they've seen these different things you need to publicly acknowledge that and you need to go forward and publicly recommit in your life to the Lord if it's a more private nature you still need to have a you know confession before God and before any that have been influenced by that and you need to rededicate your life and a special communion service but if you've been you've been publicly messing around this is a problem and for this gentleman who's involved this is a very heinous act and if I was your pastor I would call you out on that and so with the board of elders that is just not acceptable especially with someone new to the faith or anyone early kind of going on from that I believe God forgives but how does one forgive themself and let go the Bible doesn't call upon us to forgive ourselves as far as I know the Bible calls upon us to accept God's forgiveness and it has nothing to do with how you feel there isn't a feeling component with faith faith is based on the absolutely reliable Word of God first John 1:9 says if we confess our sins he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness anyone who fully accepts God's forgiveness will have no consideration of do I forgive myself God's forgiveness takes care of all of that so we accept his forgiveness based on the infinite sacrifice of Christ only God can forgive sins you really can't forgive your sin or somebody else's you accept God's forgiveness fully and freely this is a huge question in depression recovery this comes all the time people not forgiving themselves and what you've said is correct I love this text first John 3:24 if our heart condemns us God is greater than our heart and knows all things amen how do you know when you're called to ministry I'm struggling with what I want to do and I felt like I'm being pulled towards a ministry but I am NOT a confident speaker did you say what was the last part not a confidence I'm sure you yeah so it's been call to ministry but I'm struggling what I want to do I felt like I'm being pulled toward ministry but I'm not a confident speaker well I guess the definition of ministry in this person's mind is being able to publicly speak but there's all kinds of ministries and there's all kinds of gifts and you speak by the way you do God's ordained ministry to you there are things that you're called to that are not your role and some you have to let the Lord define what the role is that you're called to there's a difference between gifts and and offices for instance and this is a confusion in the church today but I believe everyone is called to ministry everyone according to Ephesians 4 is called to ministry and so nobody in this room should should not follow the calling of God to ministry yeah that to me to me that's it's been a study of mine recently is it's very it seems that some idea has crept in to our ranks somehow that if I want to win souls for Christ then I must be called to the ministry and if I'm not called the ministry I must not win souls we the pastor's job is to get members to do their job okay the pastor's job is to get members to do their job and every member is called to be a missionary every person should have a call on their life to minister to someone else in some capacity now is it necessarily in the office of the pastor not necessarily and the Bible gives qualifications for that and the Bible should be the filter that but in case you don't meet those biblical qualifications you say well I guess that I have no role image no no you're called to minister every everyone in this room should have someone there studying the Bible with right now and you don't need a license you don't need credential you don't need ordination for that you need a Bible and the Spirit of God saying go win a soul and to what we've created is an unbiblical distinction between there's the people out there and there we have it we have a world full of Watchers instead of a church full of workers right we think well I must win souls therefore I'm called to be a pastor slow down you're called to win souls now if the Lord wants to put you in the office of Pastor continue to study that out but if you feel the burden on your heart to minister minister and if you turns that into full-time ministry continue to watch for his leadings compared to the scriptures look at the look at the results the fruits of your labor look at the qualifications of Bible look to those who long expiry and they will help you in that but if you have the call of God on your life right now to minister to others Minister okay thank you thank you how do you overcome loneliness I've been living on my own since the age of 60 and I'm 22 without family nor the love that I longed for and every day I misunderstood and don't feel like I fit in anywhere but I know in God I will find love and peace the older I get the harder the struggle help so essentially how do I overcome loneliness well one thing is if you want to have friends show yourself friendly get yourself out of the out of the cage it sounds like you might have a little bit of depression and your social I socially isolating yourself and I think the psalm that best helps in this is Psalm 77 it shows the steps to isolation and it shows the steps from isolation so in Psalm 77 it gets down I won't read the whole song but I just refer you to it to verse 10 which sounds like you it says I said this is my anguish in other words you're you're carrying the whole burden on your on yourself well the reason you got there is because of verse 1 through 9 but the way out is verse 10 through 20 I will there's these I will statements I will remember the Lord I will remember your wonders of old I will meditate on your work I will do this I will do that it tells you exactly what to do and when that happens you come out of that depression and to integrated life and your focus is not so much on yourself but on God and others so Psalm 77 is key now if you're here today and you need a little more counseling talk to me come to me I'm the guy with the mismatched suit just come and find me and we'll talk okay what's the best way to bridge the gap between health and introduce Christ there is no gap between health and introducing Christ that's a misnomer of a question because when you have ill health that's a conviction so the big problem in the Adventist Church is that we see a gap between those two when there really is not a gap we just have to become more aware of how the Holy Spirit is working I have a whole series on that called leading people from health to him and I'd refer you to that or again if you want to talk to me I'll give you some more specifics but certainly the connection is pronounced we we have a four full month course too so the connection between those two but basically put when you think that you have ill health that's a that's a confession and a conviction of sin and then God leads you to repentance how to stop and reverse that and so there is really no disconnection between those two okay this one came in via text isn't it is it an acceptable practice to God to substitute clapping in church for amen what is the biblical and Spirit prophecy teaching and references on this matter there is a an office of the church called the biblical research institute one of their functions their primary function is to research Bible questions and provide answers to the various church committees when they vow to make decisions they study the issue of clapping in the Bible they concluded there is no biblical evidence that clapping was used as a part of worship none okay say one other thing quickly if someone passes by on the outside without seeing what is going on in a building and they hear clapping they may think well someone's performing if they hear Amen what will they think service okay would you enlightened Li kindly enlighten me on the biblical teaching SDA position on dancing in church is there an acceptable and unacceptable dance during worship of any kind patriarchs and prophets page 709 the music and dancing in joyful praise to God at the removal of the ark had not the faintest resemblance to the dissipation of modern dancing the one tended to the remembrance of God and exalted his holy name and the other is a decisive Satan one of the problems with us we do not know what it means to be a set of the adventist we just have no clue and so we try to be Pentecostals or we try to be Baptists or we try to be somebody else we try to be everything except one hundred percent set of the Adventist and so we bring these things from other churches into our church trying to be like them not pausing to think they never take anything from us to be like us we're trying to be like them listen to me if you study the history of this church and the mission of this church and the teaching of this church you will be personally insulted by any attempt to make this church like another Church I was in Bermuda and I was at a dinner with a family and one person present was a former Baptist or Pentecostal something and she said when she came she came in to church with just a few years ago she were shocked she said I thought I had left that she says she saw the damned see all the waving of hands during singing and people jumping up she saw all she said that is what I left that's a terrible thing when it is right wants to be an Egyptian okay thank you for those answers with so few men in church think someone stood up today and said it was 18 to 1 I don't know what statistic but anyway I did call the NEC secretary and found out that the official books for the NEC is 2 to 1 all ages all ages that's not delineating youth or does it deter okay haven't anyway with so few men in church can I still wait on the Lord focus in on my ministry in Korea or should I take a more proactive approach searching the highways and byways of the Adventist Church so this the sister is tempted to make matchmaking the career at least her career I don't know a biblical precedent for that I can tell you that in my own experience my wife and I did not get married until we were each 30 years old we we discovered each other in college in uni and I was not the man I should have been I was someone to be apparently interested in talked with but I was not the one you marry uh and I praise the Lord that through His grace alone he maintained our non married status for each other so that when the Lord had done a better work in me or I had allowed him to do work in me that he had wanted to do all along that when the time and occasion was correct we were there I praise the Lord that my wife did not settle or lower the bar or compromise in any way so that when the right time was there the wrong decisions have been made and the opportunity was lost so I would encourage and I promise you if you were to talk with her she would encourage all of you single men or women regardless to be patient to wait on the Lord and let him do his work in you as he likely is doing in that corresponding person you know I'd say something to the young men here there are some nice young ladies here you should get to know if God's leading don't think that you're going to put off things and your freedom is better than being married the I mean I didn't get married till I was 29 - and I had to wait for five years for my wife and pastor randon also had a similar chronology as we know Patran devasher the divisor is also indicated that the final movements for rapid but which means these make the case that you can wait but the other thing I'd say is sometimes we have this delusion as young people that single life is better than the married life and it is if you marry the wrong person which is about what you're ready to do if you go out looking and shopping and hop in yourself let God lead in it the worst thing is to marry somebody that God didn't want you to marry you want you want to have more misery than you have now do that there's not one marriage in a hundred Ella white says that are have the sanction of God and they're not happy and I talk to people every day who have terrible marriages so praise the Lord you're not married yet because you didn't marry the wrong person and let God lead you to the right person and you're worrying about the wrong thing God is not concerned with how many men or women are they your question must be am i faithful to God do I have a one-to-one relationship with God if you do God will find someone for you don't worry about demographics and I mean women are nothing new conference ordered it off whereas conference I am a son of God if marriage is God's will from me and I'm faithful to God as I do the Lord's will God will find the right woman for me or the right man for me if I'm God's daughter you need to have a personal individual not a sociological relation a personal Elijah said I'm the only one faithful God said no no no they are what 7,000 more we've not bowed the knee you just have not seen them God knows where they are and if they don't exist God who made Adam will make one for you so don't worry be faithful to God and God the Bible says no good thing with you withhold from them that walk uprightly the Bible says he defined it for why find if a good thing so be faithful to God but him first in all you do and watch God provide for you miraculously I mean not all Adventists believe in the authority the spirit of prophecy what would you suggest as a strategy for reaching them any books you would recommend well several years ago I had dr. Colin Campbell come to my church he's the probably one of the persons that had the most research grants granted by higher education he wrote a book called the China Study before he came I sent him a bunch of statements by Ellen White concerning health issues he wrote back to me and he said I know of no statements that you've sent me that are wrong and have not been backed up by the scientific evidence over the last thirty years so I am convinced that this message of Ellen White that has been mislaid or not being shared by Adventist needs to be shared with as many people as possible so people in the world today at least in the area of health are recognizing the Ellen White well it's not only ahead of her time she's an authority the reason that we as Adventists are known as people for longevity is because there were a group of people in the administer to actually took Ellen White's words believe them that founded the basis for Adventist Health Study one and two and now three how many of you are thankful for the people that actually believed it so what I do typically is I will show all the scientific evidence and then I will say and notice what Ellen White said because what I wanting to do is win that person to take a second look it's an embarrassment that we have to do that but and then the other thing I will do is the more I've studied Ellen White the more I realize that she's just basically sharing the Bible so what I will do is I will share the Bible and I will share the exegesis and whatnot and I'll sweat really hard and then I will say well usually later on in the message and this is why I believe Ellen White says so if you're trying to win something with Ellen White that doesn't believe Ellen White don't start with Ellen White start with the Bible and show how she is in accordance with the Bible and start with science and so how she's in accordance with it okay thank you ken nurses and doctors work on Sabbath serving people's lives of course the question is should they get paid when I worked as a nurse my wife was working in the hospital as well she said Don I never take money on the Sabbath because Jesus didn't take money he didn't heal someone and said I'm the master where is your MasterCard so you know that really got me so I began thinking about that and I noticed that that was true and so I began giving away all my money then I got on the Sabbath if I had to work because people are sick on the Sabbath they need to be cared for that was such a joyous experience and I had people then lining up because when they saw my car they knew I was going to give away money on the Sabbath one day I came and there were 65 people waiting to get money from me and this little kid when I was driving down the road he goes he's here I was one of the days I felt the most like Jesus and so I was giving the money out and they called from upstairs they said please come upstairs the head nurse came and down and I had to go up and she goes came upstairs and I said did I do something wrong she goes you know we really like you I said that sounds like girls that have broken up with me what are you about to say she said we have watched you and we see that you give away all your money we give you made on the Sabbath so we have decided something so what's that she goes I don't want you to work in the hospital from sundown Friday to sundown Saturday Wow anyway the point is if you are working on Sabbath which we need to do at times to take care of the sick question your own motives don't be in vegetarian rebellion taking double shifts on the Sabbath making all kinds of money now I preached this sermon I use this in a sermon at my church and the doctors in my congregation were so convicted that they turned in the money that they had been making in about two weeks later I had eighty five thousand dollars in a fund it grew to one hundred and sixty thousand dollars and all those physicians then begin not accepting money on the Sabbath as well and that kept them honest yes we need to serve people on the Sabbath that are sick but we also need to purify our own motives thank you clear answer where do you stand on women being ordained as pastors while the churches and study of that there's actually been a theology of ordination Study Committee so-called Tosk you can google it and the church has been in studying now for two years on that I'm on that committee and that committee how has it being that committee has been we would put it this way very intense and I think there are passionate god-fearing people who stand on both sides of the issue it really comes down to how they read the writings of Paul in first Timothy and in first corinthians 11 and 14 and in titus and how they look at the example of Christ and the Apostles as well as the early Adventist Church there are three positions that have come out of that committee one is basically saying maintain the position the Adventist Church has had since its inception which is to ordain only men to the office of pastor minister the second position has been that we change from the position of the church and this reading of scripture and allow various divisions to go their own way in terms of ordination practice and third kind of hybrid position has said we believe that men should be leaders in the home in the church but we believe there might be exceptions where the holy spirit leaves otherwise so they attempt to maintain what's happening what kind of a status quo things so those are the three positions you know I don't know what the position of this conference or you are individually my my own I don't know if you want me to share my own feeling on it but my own feeling is there are a couple shocking things that came out of the committee to me number one it was clearly stated by the historians of the church that there never has been the ordination of women in the official ordination of women in the Adventist Church to the position of pastor minister ever in the history of the Adventist Church if people want to look that up those resources available yes right that's a paper David trims that's a paper by David trim it's on the task website some people said before I went there the information I got especially in North America was that there had been many women ordained simply not true second big thing that really impacted me was they said well it wasn't the time to ordain people at that time not too many people were ordaining people and Ellen White and the church would have gotten in trouble that also is completely untrue there were 27 denominations that begin to ordaining women during the time of Ellen White and it was in that milieu that the church in 1881 specifically said no and did not go that way when I learned that I was like whoa that's fairly interesting information the third thing that was really interesting to me that came out of Tosk was that the largest Protestant denomination in the world was is the Southern Baptist came to a time in their church's history where they were looking at this issue and there were a lot of people calling for ordination in fact they had 1,000 women ordained as pastors in their church but when they studied the biblical evidence they realized that they didn't want to go that way and they reversed course that is the largest Protestant denomination in the world at this time and they took a stand on that on the basis of the very text that the Adventist Church is studying so you know each of us will have to grapple with that each of our leaders will have to grapple with that right what happens now is that those recommendations that came from the Tosk committee now go to the higher levels of administration in the Adventist Church they frame how that question then will go forth forward at a group of meetings called the annual Council which is when a bunch of the top administrators and whatnot from around the world get together and then they frame what question will go or questions will go before the General Conference in 2015 how many of you will want to keep that in prayer if you have any other specific questions about the ordination thing because we want to we don't want to take more time on that seemi I've been thinking about that for about two years thank you if the wages of sin is death which Jesus died for should he then have remained dead evermore as a sacrifice regardless of death not being able to hold him as having himself never sinned if he lives has the death been paid one of the difficult things that we face as 7th avenues is we have so much truth that often times we are tempted to think that we can understand everything and so we venture into speculation if this were to happen then what would have happened right the premise of the question is you know basically one of those speculative questions if this was really the thing wouldn't Christ have not and then if Christ really would have died and what does that really mean for God to die and then what would have happened to the Godhead and how could he have been a risen Savior if we needed a mediator after I mean it unleashes a Pandora's box of speculation that the scripture doesn't give us light on I believe that Jesus was God I believe that Jesus was man I believe that Christ died and the closest thing we can come to a death in the Godhead if you would is mrs. White's statement about there will never be another Sundering of the Godhead but as pastors keep so very clearly Christ laid down his life voluntarily but then he picked it back up how did he do it I don't know but I believe it because God's Word says so I believe it because it because it is that it is the declaration of Scripture and that is my basis of faith will I ever understand how God operates what it means to be life not just to be alive but to be life itself I cannot say one thing you know Ellen White clearly states and I believe the Bible teaches that Christ died the second death he didn't die the first death he died the second death which was an out point of the wrath got against sin I believe that Revelation 16 which is a picture of the seven last plagues can be reread and applied actually to what Christ did for us each one of those is related to a sanctuary truth and when Jesus died he said it is finished at the end of Revelation 16 it says it is done we live between the it is finished and the it is done Christ paid the full debt and the full and took the whole wrath of God and he went through Calvary he went through the separation and all the different aspects Isaiah 53 talks about which are associated with the outpouring of the fullness of wrath now we believe that death is asleep an eternal sleep it's not an eternal torment so the issue of time really doesn't even make it's really not even it doesn't make sense it doesn't have anything to do with paying the debt when you're dead you're dead okay and Christ was dead he did not see through the portals of the tomb humanity died so that's the way I look at that salvation requires death and life in John 1:29 the Bible says behold the lamb of God which taketh away the sins of the world Jesus is the lamb Hebrews 4:15 we have not an High Priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities he's bought the lamb he's moved a priest the lamb dies the priest ministers the merits of that sacrifice so Jesus had to come from the grave in order to minister to us the merits of that death you understand what I'm trying to say in Revelation 1:17 the Bible says when I saw him I fell at his feet as dead and he laid his right hand upon me saying unto me fear not I'm the first and the last I am he that liveth and was dead and behold I am Alive for evermore so Jesus himself said I was dead that's correct he said I now live now I'm not about to argue with Jesus because he is the way the truth and the life and so salvation requires death but it also requires life because a dead God can not save you amen how can one overcome self-righteousness how can you know which voices in your head are from the Holy Spirit or the devil without them being blatant that the same question well let's go with the first part okay how can I overcome self-righteousness read Isaiah 53 except Li says if you want to know humility and self-righteousness and humility I like black and white read Isaiah 53 now I'm suggesting also study Philippians 2:5 2:8 study the life of Christ die rages desire of Ages and you cannot be a self-righteous person but keep studying it because it crops right back up yeah you noticed that while we shun appropriately enough once saved always said we somehow have imbibed once learned always learned that oh I read that one time and it is kind of fades away and apparently we're supposed to abide in him dwell in him continually and these themes will continue to re-emerge as do our sinful proclivities and the Lord has a remedy for them and it is written but we need to be in the word for that to be happening okay I think this may be the last question how do you study and memorize the Bible and enjoy it to the point of committing all those verses to memory question 1 question 2 I find the Bible boring to read and struggle to understand it please help me to love and able to understand the Bible so the first question is memorization of Scripture look scripture memorization is is kind of the key to meditation if you want to learn anything if you're in school for any discipline it requires a certain level of memory for mastery everybody knows that it doesn't matter if you're in be off biology theology education so everything single thing you do whether it's music ministry or anything else it demands memory and the more into something that you are the more given you are to memorizing it so I would just say that's the principle and then the second thing is you're not saved by your memory the Bible says that God will bring things to your remembrance so when you see someone that has a good memory of Scripture that's God bringing things to their remembrance that's not them and I remember I live with my grandfather and he was developing Alzheimer's and organic brain simmer and I used to didn't understand that really fully then and I was kind of almost criticizing him for not remembering one day he looked at me he said Don if I needed to remember that God would bring it to my remembrance and I kind of backed off then but in uncanny thing was that even though he was almost developing Alzheimer's he could remember all of the things from the spirit of prophecy in the Bible and he would often quote them to me to correct me and God brought them to remembrance to someone who was even developing Alzheimer's but he can't bring something to your remembrance that you didn't originally memorize so get busy memorizing and I think that's the key the second thing to what you focus on you fall in love with amen we haven't been able to do all the questions time is not with us we were moving into our next worship service in just a few moments I want to thank each one of the panelists amen for their answers if your question was not answered and you're able to catch them at a free time sometime today then you're more than welcome to approach them we'll try and get answers to those with textin or came on Twitter as well we'll try and get back to you through those modes before we do sit down though it some I think I'll take advantage of the moment that we do have all of our speakers here on the stage at the same time and they're all going to be busy in different aspects so the rest of the day and we may not see them all together one place at one time and so as on behalf of the youth department of the North England conference I would like to thank each and every one of them pastor Cameron Devesh afore his series this week on the Greek controversy that he's going to conclude today has been powerful has been clear would like to thank you Pastor camera for coming here with your wife and your two children it's not easy traveling with a family and if you knew his schedule before he came to camp meet and he knew his schedule after camp meeting he literally squeezed us right in some people would even say he was a little bit mad to take this appointment we want to thank him for taking it and pray that God would give him health and strength and grace in his future ministry Thank You Cameron for coming in for ministering to us and we really appreciate that and your family pastor dawn as well thank you very much for being here for giving us the health presentations throughout the week for your time on the panel as well today I'd like to thank you for bringing yourself and your wife and your children your children for coming bringing them here to camp-meeting thank you for coming for serving and for ministering and we'd also like to thank pastor Randy ski for coming here for sacrificing time elsewhere to come here and minister to us here in the North England conference the messages have been powerful they've been clear and we'd like to thank each one of you thank you very much all of their messages they have given are available will be available online on the podcast or on the NEC YouTube channel you can watch them on demand later after camp-meeting share them with your family share them with your friends Thank You amen

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Published: Tue Nov 17 2015