Opposing Voter ID is Racist | Change My Mind

argument has been repeated ad nauseam that voter id is racist so if voter id is racist i think actually the opposing voter id is far more racist and everything you sort of presented here is that minorities are not able to get access to vote uh to identification that's not true time for change my mind long-form conversations on controversial topics where we get to rationalize our positions as always just comment below which topics you'd most like to see in future installments today now you've all heard about how voter id is racist netflix in states across the country laws across the u.s are being passed to make it harder not easier to vote we've seen time and time again when republicans can't win outright as far as votes then they resort to what many would call cheating instead of trying to appeal to diverse voters you just rather try and block their votes this bill is about nothing less than taking away the right to vote some of the voter id laws that we have seen some situations where it is harder for minorities to vote in this country this is nothing but punitive designed to keep people from voting yep requesting a photo identification to vote is white supremacy you know what i don't buy it so i set up shop at smu and before uh we get started let's see what these privileged white leftists have to say voter id is racist okay would you be interested in talking about it no voter id is racist not it not inherently not by law but i think that the side effects that it produces harms minorities more than it does white people discriminate against minority communities because of historical institutions i think i want to buy one of those i'll say a little bit if you want uh i mean it disproportionately restricts voting on minorities and does not gain as much benefit as the classes huh well guess who disagrees with them i think having voter id is very important it legitimizes somebody so that they are able to go vote and that their vote is legitimate i'm a poor minority from a ghetto trailer park where i lost friends from gang violence and i have four ids on me at all times if you have a driver's license you should be able to get a voter id and if you pay taxes you should be able to get a voter id or if you're a kid who's 18 and older you should be able to get our voter id well then okay here's the first conversation of the day meet louis okay well listen louis uh i appreciate you sitting down um and if you weren't here before let me just sort of assert and make sure that we don't have any disagreements on the outset uh as far as the word thank you um you know right now obviously voter id is a big conversation in the country and the primary argument we've heard against it in the media is that implementing voter id is racist so i want to be clear what i am here to talk about is not all of the other voter id laws or whether you know sorry all the other voting laws i should say or whether every single rule in different states are ideal but to address this idea that voter id is somehow inherently racist i will say this every argument that i have heard presented uh based on that premise seems to me as nothing other than not hateful but deeply racist through the expectation uh through the biggest self-expectations so if you disagree you can you're like expecting that like so your argument is it's racist to assume that like black people can't get the voter id's in the first place well that's those are the only arguments that i've heard and including um the girl who sat down before you and it's so it's racist for us to assume that we're like the the left to assume that they can't yes i mean so if you think that voter id is is racist the implementing it i guess the why why okay so i'm going through like a logical sort of explanation like i like it good stuff you think that like okay where your thoughts on poll taxes yeah i'm not a big fan not i know this is we're going to go back to jim crow and literacy testing poll taxes yeah so would you say that they're racist full taxes well no what i would say is they were they were they were applied to people across the board and if you want me to give you an aside here i don't know if you knew uh about this but actually poll taxes and literacy tests disenfranchise more southern whites than northern blacks but how about proportionally though yeah proportionally across the country but the reason that's interesting i mean let's let's be clear bad across the board okay not supporting jim crow yeah okay i think you know they're not but what's interesting to me is a lot of people don't know this this is because of you know pre-civil war thomas soul has written about this um if you look at in the north before the civil war not only was it legal but it was common practice for black people to be you know educated both free and enslaved black people whereas in the south it was largely illegal but in the north they had about four times the amount of schooling that they had in the south and so once they implemented literacy tests and you look at a lot of these jim crow rules what happened is actually there were more literate northern black americans than southern white americans and what's interesting is it was mirrored back home in the old country where they came from think of the people who migrated to northern united states the puritans the quakers right right these were sort of people who valued intellectualism whereas we don't think of it because when we think of england we think of everyone who's a little smarter than americans but they were a bunch of yahoos who would drink came to southern united states and that's also where the term cracker comes from so a long way around to say no i'm not supportive of jim crow laws and i don't think there's any comparison you think there's no comparison so where did where originally did poll taxes originate in what state yes i would imagine that it originated in the southern united states okay what about literacy tests they also probably originated in the southern united states well if you're talking about literacy test look these were things that were implemented uh in large part not just in states or northern states right so i agree look i've already said that i oppose literacy taxes those literacy tests at that point let me explain to you the reason why why are why we're literacy tests before we go state to state to state because i can tell you i don't know if you know that there are fewer literate people in uh white americans in alabama than black americans in new york right we can play this game i think we both agree that they're not good yes and i think let me finish and i think the reason we both agree they're not good why right because this was a test designed to preclude people who were in fact the victim of systemic discrimination beforehand right particularly in the southern united states of course where it was illegal to educate them yes so i don't think we need to go much right wrong so yes okay so my logic is if historically we recognize that that was wrong in the past and it wasn't in the letter of the law that they're exclusively discriminating against minorities what's the difference between that being recognized as racist in the past and these rules now being recognized as racist now just given that they disenfranchise a similar subset of people i would disagree with your promise how's that so again you're saying because it wasn't in the letter of the law right what i said was there were there was this uh effect of unintended consequences where uneducated whites were also affected by it disproportionately but so it certainly was a letter of the law in the southern let me finish in the southern united states that it was illegal to educate blacks so that was in the letter of the law i don't think that you can compare it's illegal to educate blacks in an immediately post-civil war era to nowadays what's i guess let me ask you this what's your comparison between forbidding blacks from reading and then implementing a literacy test to now requiring that anyone have identification i think it's a historical materialism of the subject if we recognize that there was institutional um you know racism back in the past where with jim crow would you you'd admit that there's already been through that right yeah then those past i mean jim crow was still in the it still existed all the way through the 50s and 60s right right so that has six yeah direct contact work completely yeah well okay it had direct consequence that was a generation ago and it has still consequences today on people's ability to acquire i don't know just material wealth in the first place let me ask you this though how does jim crow pre-civil rights act pre-voting rights act 64. how does that preclude black americans from getting id today um well i mean if you want to go into the whole redlining situation where they're unable to live in areas they're just secluded in areas that prevents economic development in the i want to say ghettos because that's just a bad term that people what people say is bad um it just prevents people from moving upward mobility basically there is a second okay how does jim crow laws which were completely abolished in the 60s right there hasn't been a systemically racist law on the books for well over half a century at this point how has that precluded black americans from getting id and my question would be why in that case do the vast majority of black americans have id without problem i'm sorry can you repeat okay let's do the first part jim crow law is bad okay we both agree let's see i'm trying i want to make sure we're not trying to do gotchas no i didn't i don't i'm not doing a gotcha with ghetto i know what you mean you know i don't like jim jim crow laws okay let's make sure we're both assuming an honest authentic point of view jim crow law is bad this is the first part of my question yeah jim crow laws we haven't had any laws like that for more than half a century how has that precluded or in what way does that stop black americans from in 2021 getting id so it's the material conditions of past generations that were affected by jim crow's laws because those generations that were affected raised the following generations well this generation now and these i mean two generations removed but yeah yeah so it's still very near right and so if i mean one of the main arguments against voter ids is that it's difficult for people to um to get them because they don't have enough time in their work day or i mean or it's just the material cost it's just another poll tax is what they say and so that but you said some people do you believe that i do yes so you believe it's another poll tax how so jim crow happened before so it's again we're not saying that jim crow i'm not hearing you say that jim crow in any way affects voter id today i hear jim crow is back period and today you think that you think that id is similar to a poll tax jim crow yeah because it affected past generations that are raising the current generations now and obviously if you have a poor family in the past chances are you're still going to be poor in the future because you're being raised by these poor families and you don't have any you don't have an upward mobility compared to people that are raised by middle class or upperclassmen okay well i don't i don't know that i agree with the premise because we have more class mobility in the united states than anywhere in the world but let me let's go with that okay okay how would that preclude a black american today in 2021 from let's say getting id in one of the six states that requires it photo id yeah well it's again what i'm saying is the past conditions that jim crow had established do i understand you're saying so let's assume that all black people are poor let's assume that let's go with that the majority of black people are poor from what you're saying okay you're saying because of past racism the majority or significantly higher percentage of black people are poor today right uh yes okay i would say that how does that preclude them from getting identification they can't afford it they can't okay they can't afford it okay it's free in the six states it requires it's difficult to get to it to work it's a long process they don't have their necessary um documents to get an id in the first place because i mean you need a birth certificate right or some other form of identification like uh and you don't believe black people have this well it's difficult to come by okay why is it exclusively hard for black why would you this is what i'm saying and i know that you're coming from an empathetic world i'm not saying it's exclusively hard for black people i'm saying it's exclusively hard for poor people and black people but that's well that's not the argument that you sat down with and that's not the argument that we hear nationally so if you were to say it's harder for poor people for example this would be what i would yeah okay yes so can i yeah go ahead go ahead so um first off where there tend to be more dmvs in the city or in the country in the city in a city where do black people tend to live more in the city in a city or country right okay right now let's say we take a very poor white person a very poor black person okay let's say they're making the same income level below the poverty line and the white person statistically what we both acknowledge is far more likely to live out on a farm or a rural area right and a black person is more likely to live in the city yes so why didn't we sit down and present the argument this is really out of anyone's it's more discrimination toward white rural people classism okay no but specifically if we wanted to make a racial argument it would disproportionately affect white people because poor white people because they live in rural areas okay but what's what about the population sizes of the two and how that affects voters can i just hang this up go ahead go go ahead and make continue make this should be off okay so what i'm saying is obviously i will admit that poorer people tend to vote democrat i'll go through another not necessarily no not anymore not when you look at the trump coalition you know the trump coalition okay so first off we yeah well you look at the truth you had a lot of poor white people who were voting republican uh are they in the middle class in the urban areas or in the uh rural areas yeah a lot of rural areas but you said poor white people actually surprisingly yeah so rural areas urban areas obviously there's a population difference and the urban areas you would say they're blue for the most part right poor people and urban areas are blue for the most part yes okay so obviously population plays as factor in elections doesn't it i don't know what you mean well i mean the more people that it's winner take all and winner take all states okay yeah it's the more people that vote for one candidate right obviously so what i'm saying is i got lost okay it's okay it was this it was a it was a robo call got a host lost okay um maybe we could both come together and help some legislation oh ma'am about it spam calls um okay so at this proportion i was gonna go through a convoluted like cause and effect chain of if poor people in sydney go through it four people in cities usually vote democrat okay if we recognize that um poor um that poor people can't really it's difficult for them to attain their necessary requirements to buy a voter id law i don't know i agree with that you don't know the statistics you brought you brought up the how it was disproportionately affected like rural areas i said that it would if your premise was correct in other words if your premise is correct that people who are poor because of generational poverty can't afford id then you would see it disproportionately effect particularly because you would add on top of poverty right being in a rural area distance yes and so i was saying that to say i disagree with your premise especially when you talk about in you know there are six states that require photo id okay yes and uh not only is it free there but there was increased voter turnout so for example one of the longest-standing states with photo id indiana i bring this because it's in my memory because a girl before you brought up indiana indiana they saw like a 30 increased turnout rate for barack obama it was the first time in decades that it went blue and as vote it actually increased turnout voter id and so what i'm saying is when you look at these statistics is that correlation or causation because barack obama inspired people to vote yes yeah no but the point but the point is there was an increased turnout in indiana a state that has historically been read right once they had implemented voter id laws and this happened there's actually there's still data coming out i don't have all these numbers i'll be honest with you because they're not available but it seems to be that voter identification actually is a net neutral or maybe a net positive and increasing voter turnout which to me was very interesting now when we talk about the poverty issue here's the thing the overwhelming majority of black americans have id okay the low number is 85 the high number is 89. 89 okay let's say it's 85. i've heard about 20 of african americans don't have id yeah that's inaccurate as a matter of fact that came from one washington post study which actually uh i believe her name was isabella talked about uh before you were here and that was actually rebutted by stanford because what had happened was they took the really the only study people can point to is they had taken people they like called people or whatever and they were like what happened was they didn't differentiate for states that had just incorporated new identification laws and lump them in together and then once you looked at states that had actually had voter id laws in the books for a long time or vote really it was actually they were sort of making an inference based on the amount of people who voted and sort of correlating that with voter id all of the subsequent studies have shown that it's a net neutral it may increase white voter turnout during repo during primaries but i think we both agree that could be is it correlation or causation because typically old white people probably most likely to vote in the primary yeah okay so um so most black americans have id but what's also interesting to me is the overwhelming majority of black americans support requiring id to vote 73 percent seventy-three percent say not only so there was a sixty-nine percent poll and there was just recently a seventy-three percent poll uh coming from rasmussen rasmussen oh yes okay um i wanna go back to your indiana thing where but does that surprise you though um i'm gonna have to look into it i'm gonna be honest let's assume so we post all these available online yes let's assume i'm not lying to you yes doesn't that matter if in other words because for me this is my concern okay my concern is about ensuring the integrity of our elections the legitimacy and so for me i think the only way to protect our 15th amendment rights right the right to vote and it shouldn't be in french is to ensure that no legitimate vote is wiped out by an illegitimate vote okay and so it seems that that's also a primary concern of black americans yes or think about it if you were generationally oppressed and you weren't able to vote in the 60s like you said and now you say okay have the ability to vote but you now have millions upon millions of undocumented immigrants who can vote without any identification that's a huge cause of concern for the black community okay and it's a huge cause of concern for the legal latino immigrant community yeah over 80 percent of latino americans support requiring id to vote yeah i i agree that this is coming from a place of um patriotism which i appreciate um so i i'm kind of curious so like what type of voters like voter sorry i'm drawing a blank right now um penis tom hanks i think you're on to something um i'm sorry i'm a child no understandable i feel the same way um voter gosh voter suppression yeah no already i'm totally drawing a big right now this happens to me all the time it happens to me um what is it so do you want to go back through what i was saying do you think that'll help joggie a little bit where i said the overwhelming will you like lie when you're voting i'm totally oh voter fraud voter fraud okay yeah sorry what type of voter fraud is our voter ids trying to suppress so i didn't say voter fraud um and i and and this is something that of course is a hot button issue which i'm sure you would disagree with you're actually banned from youtube or so if you even mentioned voter fraud you're not interested i'm familiar with yeah what's going on right now man which i'm sure you whether you think there has been voter fraud or not we shouldn't live in a totalitarian state where people can't discuss the issue no my issue is not uh voter fraud but it is voting system errors and anomalies so the big outrage now for example is uh some kind of photo identification to the process of mail-in ballots which keep in mind every other major industrialized country requires photo id and many non-industrialized countries can you vote without a photo id of mexico nope can you vote without a photo id in norway nope finland nicest people in the world nope el salvador nope and same thing if you look at a lot of these france nope they actually require id and a specific reason for mail-in voting because for the same reason that elizabeth warren amy klobuchar jimmy carter bernie sanders have said that election uh integrity as our biggest national security threat is that there would be no way to track votes it is a serious problem if you have mass mail-in voting that is where you are more likely to have broken system errors along with fraud i'm not saying that the ghost of hugo chavez was scribbling you know dominion machine code i'm saying that uh voting system anomalies have happened to the tomb of millions in the country so how exactly are voter ids or yeah how are exactly are voter ids combating this so it's a first step i think first off i don't well i think it's important to note that we don't want to go with a reverse nirvana fallacy like well maybe it doesn't work so let's not have any verification system which is kind of what we have now so it seems like we're both agreeing you need some kind of a verification system okay are we both agreeing with that like there needs to be a way to verify that voters are who they say they are of course okay and i'm just saying that the best first step is a government-issued id because that step requires that you said like you said going with your social security number usually a piece of mail um it's a process that's established and it makes sure that you're not for example like in new york they had up to 250 000 this is pre-2020 to 250 000 votes that they said could be using fraud could be using fake social security numbers so they couldn't add up they had to reject hundreds of thousands of ballots across california north carolina pennsylvania because these some of these places didn't have the proper vote identification so i think it's a start i think you need voter identification when you vote at the polls and i also think that we need people to go through a process where voter identification is verified for mailing voting okay do you think that's reasonable um yes i i do think that's reasonable um at the same time i think it just sorry i'm just drawing it no it's okay i i'm just totally i'm a bit unfamiliar with how voter ids what's the difference between presenting voter ids and the polls and presenting voter ids like how exactly you're gonna verify that um for uh yeah voting so you would have to so you would have to go in and request a mail-in ballot right different states might have different processes but the point is there would be some point in that chain of command where a photo identification would be required so let me give an example with me personally i had left michigan i changed my address right i was sent a ballot that could have been filled out right in michigan no idea if it wasn't i assume it wasn't yeah but nowhere in that chain of custody right isn't that photo identification required and i'm not saying that individuals are doing that but i think we would both agree that those in the most elite positions of government don't always have our best interests at heart and so mike tell me about it so my issue and i think the same issue with black americans is we need fail safes against people in positions of power making it easier for us to be incapable of tracking votes like when you a lot of times people say well there's no example of voter fraud or voter well first off there are plenty of examples of voter anomalies but people say there's no example of voter fraud like in other words we don't if someone doesn't have photo id that confirms how would you ever have evidence of it if you don't require id it's like saying we don't have any evidence that any underage people who ever consumed alcohol but the law across the land is you don't need to present id for alcohol but we'd never have evidence would we right yeah i think um i'm sure there are other obviously we could do better as a country in improving voter id regulations i think accessibility is my main concern right and i think obviously we're not gonna i don't think we're gonna agree with this i don't think we'll agree on that but i do i do appreciate you coming from a place that's that's genuine i hope that you believe you understand that i do yes and i think where the difference where the difference is where we we line up a little bit differently and i would ask that you permit for some understanding as to why for example the majority of black and latino americans support voter identification is because i think a lot of people in this country particularly blacks and latino americans are concerned with ensuring the legitimacy of their ballot not with accessibility for people who can't be bothered to get id right minorities in this country do not feel like it is an infringement on their right to present basic identification but they are concerned with having no system of identification wiping out their vote because if you're a black american today if you're a latino american an illegal immigrant here who came from one of these south american countries you want your vote to count right um and i think just id is the easiest way to start let me ask you this you talk about accessibility in the six states where photo id is required it's free right so would that be uh i don't necessarily think that that should be a requirement considering that driverless id is as low as four dollars depending on the state but if the states that said uh okay we require photo id made some form free would that be something you'd be on board with i think it's not the it's not the question of whether the voter id is going to be free obviously that's plays a role in it but also in acquiring the documents necessary for photo id and the process behind it and having to take time out of your day to do it um i mean without my parents i would have been lost trying to just get my driver's license yeah i'll admit that like i probably i definitely wouldn't be driving right now if i didn't have my parents who have had the privilege of having also you know parents with you know middle class backgrounds and stuff help them along the process it sounds to me like the issue there isn't class or poverty it sounds to me like you had good parents um i would i think what do you think helped more that you were raised in a middle-class household or that you had two parents well obviously in a middle-class household you think that helped you more than having parents do you think that if you were in the same middle class you were in a middle class orphanage do you think you would do as well sounds sounds like an oxymoron um i don't okay i don't know enough about it yeah no i don't know if they're all oliver twist i assume there are some uh you know professor x homes out there but come on what helped you there wasn't the fact that your parents had a little bit of money and with their parents my guess is their your grandparents probably weren't super wealthy my guess is that they were present and they were helping your parents and so that's why they had uh they kept track i think there's some correlation between compliment your parents man they're gonna be watching this mom and dad i love you mom i know especially you're gonna be watching this dad i don't know if you're gonna be watching this but um this i'm here and engaging in some nice talk with steve i thought you're about to say i'm here i'm queer i'm like don't come out on this yeah of course not don't like have that conversation in private no i'm uh okay yeah but i think yeah my my idea is just the material circumstances okay leading up to the i understand do you understand how um i think we found some common ground here but i think do you understand how a huge portion of the country including black americans can perceive this argument that's happening on a national dialogue where they say well actually voter id is racist do you understand how a lot of people perceive the presumptions as deeply racist not hateful but racist and assuming that black people are less capable yes okay i i'm not saying that you are i see that but can you see how that's that's how it resonates with many black americans and that's why that's why i hate liberals because they just now you tell me yeah right no i mean it's just this at a certain point it's virtually signaling i agree with you we're oh we're fighting for black people they can't do anything for themselves man it's like they definitely can it's just like if i think there's there needs to be more tax to it or you need more taxable with having um i don't know i coming from a position of where i am i guess compared to where i mean urban people that was very badly phrased um impoverished african-americans are you a racist i sure hope not i know it's funny now it's like i know these are like i was telling my friend uh dave lando about this it's like people are laying down land mines as they walk back and you're afraid like you said ghetto i can't say get out you're like urban oh i can't say urban but now it's just land mines i know what you mean yeah and i don't think that it means that you hate black people when you say when you say urban you mean urban areas where black people tend to live on average doesn't mean that they're lesser than i get it obviously yeah yeah i don't think i was just joking without thinking you're good i but yeah i what were you talking about no i think we're good i think i think we had a good conversation i appreciate where you're coming from and hopefully you appreciate i appreciate you sitting down and being respectful brother lewis yes sir i like that name appreciate it thanks man hi mom hi lewis's mom and dad there's plenty more to get to but i want to let you know that none of these episodes take place without your support and especially now that the entire channel has been demonetized indefinitely consider going to crowdershop.com get yourself some slick threads uh we've got some cool new designs dropping soon thank you so much for the support no foreign caliphate we're funded by viewers like you actually on with the show see that conversation with louis is exactly what changed my mind is about we disagree on some things agree on others productive if you watched last week's change my mind you saw the exact same thing now let me present to you the opposite of that sometimes these conversations aren't very fruitful and let me explain this to you beforehand this is why i have a real problem with identity politics it's impossible to have an honest productive dialogue if you are constantly trying to claim victim status i'm actually i'm going to be fine i just want to protect the loved ones and people i have around me who don't have the privilege of being fully vaccinated sure by wearing a mask i did not like the use of the word yellow i am a college student and you're bullying anyway well i have yeah let's do that it's like not what was that i have ptsd and actually this is a violation of smu protocols my ex was a trans man [Music] [Music] i'm just jerking your gender neutral chain here's the actual uh conversation with isabelle all day so that's kind of the irony no words no words hey i'm fully vaccinated so i'm actually i'm gonna be fine i just want to protect the loved ones and people i have around me who don't have the privilege of being fully vaccinated sure by wearing a mask but that's just my personal thank you well that's a totally different topic for a different day uh i'm not vaccinated at all just let you know i'm not surprised so as long as you uh don't mind well no i'd rather older people be able to get vaccinated more vulnerable people with who are immunocompromised i don't really think that i'm personally i shouldn't compromise okay how so um obesity oh okay yeah i have something called ehlers-danlos syndrome which technically would get me on that list but i i didn't want to now that being said i also just don't for me the risk reward ratio but my mom i've been trying to get her to get the vaccine uh because she's in her 60s and she's had a lot of bronchial infections and pneumonia um so hopefully she will so i'm certainly not anti-vaxx i just don't think that everyone i just don't think that it should be mandatory or passports but the topic for today um i think you've heard me express it there but for people uh who might be watching at home maybe even hear it you know i think that we would both agree that right now there's a national dialogue around voter id and we've heard that voter id laws are inherently racist um that's what i'm talking about today not every other law that we're talking about as it relates to voting i haven't heard any arguments at all that oppose voter id under the the the guise of racism that i have interpreted as anything short of deeply racist uh but you know that's that's opinion and if you disagree with me you're more than welcome to change my mind sure so what i would say my opinion is is not that necessarily voter id laws in and of it themselves are racist it's that i disagree with the fact that of like being opposed to voter ids is racist so a few statistics if you'll allow me to share them sure um 11 of americans that's about 21 million people do not have government-issued photo identification and it can cost a lot of money even if you get the id for free you have to get a birth certificate or something like that it can be between 75 and 175 dollars to in some states um and also you have to drive to these places to get your your photo id issued and so that's an issue for people who are disabled who are poor might not have transportation for those rural areas in texas some people have to drive up to 170 miles to go get to their local voter id place so as we know people of color are more disproportionately disenfranchised than white people i don't really think i have to explain that based on statistics i actually would ask that you do yeah okay as it relates to voter id laws sure oh no i'm just saying generally in terms of um like the poverty line and so more of them are like are have less access to get ids so nationally eight percent of white americans do not have um they do not have photo id 25 of african americans don't i would say that that disproportionate gap is big enough to say that that that there should be either a bigger effort to try and get african-americans specifically and other people of color voter ids or that we should get rid of voter id laws however can i address those here sure so a couple things none of those numbers are accurate and i'll provide you with the sources that we have i can provide yeah it's uh it's 90 it's it now there are slightly fewer african americans um with uh identification government issue identification it's not 25 86 to 86 can you let me finish 87 of black americans and it's anywhere anywhere between 85 to 90 and white americans 90 to 95. um but it is interesting that you brought up a couple of things rural areas driving further sure so that would be really disenfranchising largely white people who live in rural areas not necessarily black people and let me ask you this because you mentioned the prices of voting um first of all obtaining obtaining voter id yes apologies it's as low as four and it's as high as 58. now are you aware that in the six states how many states are you aware of that actually require photo identification so there are 34 states that have identification requirements and seven states have strict photo id laws right yeah it's it's six i believe depending on how you interpret them let's go with seven all right let's go with seven all of them provide free id sure but in the state of texas specifically after they had their voter id um requirement they had to spend nearly two million dollars of taxpayer dollar of taxpayer dollars on voter education and outreach efforts so i know that a lot of conservatives are the type who want to reduce unnecessary spending of taxpayer dollars i don't think that we should spend it unnecessarily either in indiana they spent over 10 million dollars to produce free id cards between 2007 and 2010. that's a three-year period so you oppose that kind of spending so i oppose that kind of spending because i feel like it is more important for people to be able to get their voices heard these voter id laws are enforced in a discriminatory manner a caltech mit study found that minority voters are much more frequently questioned about ids than white voters and that they reduce turnout among minority voters there's a 2014 gao study that found that particularly photo id laws have depressive effect on turnout among racial minorities because those were the studies that were cited obviously in the infamous washington post article right that's how they started circulating then they actually did a follow-up study stanford corrected for the confounding factors what that study just looked at was voter turnout in states they didn't they didn't delineate between states that had voter id laws versus some that just created them an election year what's interesting is that you bring up indiana now i think we can have a conversation about spending um i think that it's necessary for people to have proper vote identification to vote just as we do for many other activities regardless of spending my point is that there's no barrier entering the places that have them but it actually interestingly there's an inverse correlation with increased voter turnout for example in indiana it's a specific i just use that because that's the state that you brought up um it increased voter turnout by about 30 across the board including black turnout and barack obama was elected as the first democrat of indiana in a long time and they have mandatory voter id i'm happy to i'm happy for increased voter turnout for me at the end of the day i want the most number of people possible to have their voices heard however if you talk about voter fraud there was another bring up voter fraud i'm going to talk about voting but i think we need to address the first initial points right you said you want the most amount of people to vote possible the most amount of people who are eligible by the united states to have their voices okay let's use that how do you determine that how do you verify that eligible to vote means what other kinds of photo id that can be or so you support photo id other kinds of identification so for example in texas you can have a concealed handgun permit and you can use that as voter id but you cannot use a student identification card as your voter id i agree with that i feel do you know why that is though why do you think that it is very easy to i'm not talking about the gun the gun i'm talking about i'm talking about to get a concealed handgun permit perhaps easier than to get a student id permit that's incorrect but do you have hold on do you have a student id i do do you have a do you have a concealed carry permit i do not okay i've had both multiple of both my entire life it is significantly harder do you know what is required to go through a concealed carry permit i personally am not interested in what was it well you should be interested if you said why are you allowed to have a concealed carry id and not allowed to have a student id doesn't it matter can i explain to you why sure especially concerned that you apparently have and i say this this matters no knowledge as to what is required to get a concealed carry id it requires a long period by the way an even more extensive background check than you would get in purchasing a firearm where we already have background checks it requires verifying uh that you are who you say you are that you are currently posted at that address there's that's the reason that it's mailed to you there needs to be some return mail social security a check to make sure that you're not a violent felon or that you are nothing to do with the debate well no i think it does because you said no no hold on a second because you said why are you allowed to use a concealed carry i will retract could you do me a favor and just let me finish this because i do think we're gonna have a productive conversation the reason why is because one is government verified that absolutely ensures that you are who you say you are you do not need to be a legal citizen of this country to procure a student id do you agree with that i agree okay so would we agree then that's why it's acceptable to have a concealed carry permit and not a photo id from school but i just personally would we agree with that that that's the reason that it wasn't created arbitrarily okay okay but if i could talk about voter fraud which is another reason why a lot of people are interested in continuing the voter id requirement there was another study that showed since 2000 when over a billion votes have been cast 31 votes were actual instances of voter fraud and most of those most of the other instances that people had found was a pure mistake on the behalf of the voter or on behalf of the poll worker so if we're doing all of this to prevent 31 votes since the year 2000 which is when i was born i personally feel like that's not that big of a deal i am not someone who is saying i think that voter id laws are the worst thing in the world but i do not think i think that just because of there are all of these different complications with them and the way that disproportionately people of color have like less access to voter to having their own photo id requiring it is not worth the amount of taxpayer dollars that it costs to give out free id and all of the headache and it's just like it adds so much time and and headache to the voting process and allows these people who are already disenfranchised to allow their voices to be silenced even further so i think so this is important i was kind of scatter shot right you went through a lot of points you went to voter fraud which i didn't yeah um so i guess i'll just ignore that right now because we're not really talking about voter fraud but we can get to the point of uh of uh a signific you said that significantly fewer minorities but actually minorities if you take minorities across the board same amount of ideas white people black people slightly less but here's my question when you have 87 of black americans let's use the low number 84 high number 89 percent the vast majority of whom have identification and the vast majority i'm sure this is one thing that interests me is the disconnect that sort of you have i would assume more liberal liberal white women with black american voters right two-thirds of black american voters not only support voter id but say that it must be a requirement to vote and i think the reason for that and i i hope you understand where i'm coming from here the same reason that more black americans share my opinion and latino americans share my opinion basically everyone across the spectrum black white yellow beautiful in his sight right that they support some kind of voter identification is uh no it is like that is because they want to ensure the integrity what was that you don't like i did not like the use of the word yellow person you can just black and yellow red and white they are precious innocent jesus loves the little children of the world is that an offensive song i wasn't trying to offend you oh okay you just said you don't like my use of the word i didn't like your use of the word i didn't like things with that song but like you have your own beliefs and i have my own beliefs yeah yeah i believe jesus loves the children of the world you can believe that i do not yeah black and yellow red and white they are precious in his sight sorry i didn't mean to be offensive i thought it was just we'd break the ice there a little bit but i want to go back to the red herring um i think it's important here to note that you are so out of touch with what black americans want and the reason that they want this and i don't i'm not going to say that rights are determined by politics it's also interesting that you say that two thirds 73 percent yeah 73 of black americans support culinary finish a requirement of presenting voter identification to vote and the reason for this is because i think it's important to note like you said in the past jim crow black people have been disenfranchised now we're at a point where there are no systemic laws discriminating on the basis of color skin let me finish certainly not as it relates to voter id it's not based on color of skin so black americans are just as concerned as white americans asian americans pan pacific americans of ensuring the legitimacy of their vote the legitimacy the integrity of the ballot box and think about this for a second if you're a black american in the 60s right you finally get the right to vote which should have been granted as a birthright but because of corrupt government it wasn't recognized i think would agree and now you reach a point where you're on equal footing with everyone who maybe you know more than half a century ago had systems of oppression but now that's wiped away through again elites in power who want to make it incredibly easy for people who are not legal citizens to vote it cancels out your vote and so i would think that that's why the vast majority of black americans have id and demand that id be presented to vote so what i'm asking is why was the way that you worded this question or this this stance of yours that opposing voter id is racist that was the issue that i have yes and the reason is because the argument has been repeated ad nauseum that voter id is racist so if voter id is racist i think actually the opposing voter id is far more racist and everything you've sort of presented here is that minorities are not able to get access to vote to identification that's not true that uh they may not be able to afford it that's my statistics are from the aclu so i would love to hear your yeah mine are from miner from the census bureau and mine are from stanford and mine are from we can present them they'll all be available on the website we can go through these but um it surprises me that you doubt that most black americans have identification and that they support voter id loss i said 25 because that's let's say your number's right okay let's say that 25 is right you have some some presuppositions there where you've assumed that's because they can't afford id and they don't know how to procure id or they don't have access to id to me that comes across as deeply racist i don't believe that black people are too poor to afford free or four dollar id or even 30 id and i don't believe that black people are so incapable that they don't know where to get an identification especially when you take into account that most black people unlike the rural areas you mentioned a lot of people tend to live in urban areas with readily available walking access or public transit access to a dmv secretary of state a place to get identification i just don't believe that black people um i don't believe the premise that black people are uh are carlos transportationless moneyless people who have no concept of where to procure id sure so i would just like to first of all say that i say that i do not agree with any of that that you just said that i i i am not at all suppositioning any of those so why do you think 25 of black americans don't have id according to your numbers i think it's part of it might be a mistrust in the system a mistrust in the government that four centuries has not treated them as the same and while i agree with you that there are not laws as of right now that are pushing systemic oppression necessarily like it's not written in the law they are still suffering under systemic but they still suffer under systemic oppression in ways that white people do not that is what i believe and so that is where i i can't say that i have a statistic to say exactly why that there's a 25 number i can only suppose you can only suppose i don't actually know why are you supposed to and the fact of like not i i do like i'm not trying to say anything about i'm just it's like a mistrust in government and i understand i understand that yeah so i understand that and i wouldn't say that that's inherently ill-founded okay but let me ask you this when you say it's because they have mistrust in the system and the vast majority of black americans demand that photo id is required to vote vast majority first okay seventy then you said seven that's the thing okay i i think that's a significant majority hey let's just okay 73 okay the overwhelming majority 73 of black americans let's assume they don't have a lot of trust in the system and they say hey in order to have trust in the system we need to have photo id a requirement to vote what you're suggesting would actually erode their trust in the system because black americans have told us what would help them trust the system more i'm curious to know if that 73 as you use the term um knows the i use the term 73 percent that's the statistic that you're using and i'm going to say there was a 69 there was one that came out this week from raspberries and 73 percent so if it is 73 i'm curious to know if that 73 knows how many people how many black americans do not have voter ids i know we're actually disagreeing about the statistics right now but i would be curious to see if they know the discrepancies between the two and we haven't even think you're more knowledgeable you think black people are ignorant to the problem in their communities that you're aware of i am just saying that i don't know i wouldn't have known about these statistics unless i saw your tweet today and i started googling all of these statistics to argue with you about so i did not know any of these statistics i didn't know the statistics about the white american community which is a community i'm a part of i would say that a lot of white americans don't have the memorized statistics on how many people how many white americans have voter ids yeah and so i would probably posit that black americans most of them do not have that memorized because that's not going to help we're not memorized you're saying that black americans are ignorant of the fact that most black americans have id or that not enough of them have id so you're saying the only reason that black americans your again your presupposition is the only reason that black americans would support mandatory voter id is because they don't know what's going on in their own community but you do you are completely twisting my words you said you'd think that they don't know that black americans don't have ideas do not have the statistics memorized okay yes okay you said the reason that you said the reason that 73 of black americans support mandatory voter id a requirement you said probably because they don't know that these amount of black people don't have id as i have said before i cannot tell you the reasons for statistics all we can say is this is the statistic and we can guess at why it is the way that it is but i am just giving a signature about listening to black people i i listen to black people daily i listen to my black friends i listen to podcasts given by black authors by people but how about listening to the again the statistics and the community when they say yeah voter id of course that's not racist the vast majority of us have id it's insulting they think that your premise is more insulting to them than mine i'm listening to them you aren't premise that opposing voter id is racist is incorrect i think well i would say this the people who argue that it's racist that it's inherently discriminatory which you have let me go through the reasons that you've listed and you can correct me at the end of this if these are wrong they don't have access to the dmv they don't have access or transportation to these places they don't have the money to afford id and they're not aware that 25 even though it's actually 87 of black americans they're not aware of that that's why the majority of black people would support id laws in every single instance do you realize that you as a privileged white woman just spoke for black people now maybe one of those maybe two of those but in every situation where black people are saying that's not it that's not the case and you're saying yeah it is you just don't know to me that seems not hateful but deeply racist through uh the prejudice of soft expectations sure and you can believe that and what i'm going to believe is that you were saying these blanket statements that i did not say that i was just saying because they are over as as a whole they are overall more disenfranchised than white people which means that they overall have much less income as a whole if we think about the top billionaires almost all of them are white not all of them more than ever because of the covid thing yeah i completely agree is this a down lockdown's made more billionaires and add six trillion dollars in wealth to the top 10 billionaires do not think that that is right but that's a difference so you oppose lockdowns you're so funny um no but i oppose the bill then you support trillionaires and billionaires go ahead because you sat down and said and did your whole and i will say this we've maintained as respectful as i can he sat down and obviously took a backhanded insult about how you care about people around you implying that other people aren't empathetic and now i'm simply pointing out that if you supported lockdowns it is on your hands the businesses that have shut down and the reason that jeff bezos mark zuckerberg and jack dorsey added 600 billion dollars to their net worth in six months i think that's how so you you killed small businesses through your through your virtue thank you so much um i think that a global health crisis sometimes has to take precedence over the economy good although the economy it affects individual lives so we shouldn't ignore the economy however the lockdowns ignore the economy there's i mean if a lockdown shutting down business doesn't ignore the economy i don't know what it does a supporter of being in lockdown right now i am a supporter of what we did at the time with the information that we had at our hands with this so only 15 days you mean for the lockdown i am not a epidemiologist i cannot no you don't need to be you need to be an economist i'm not just understanding general economy college student anyway um didn't you sit down and say that you got a vaccine because you care about people around you i was talking about the mask that was what i was saying you said you were vaccinated and you're wearing a mask because you care about five people in this entire group of people that are wearing masks and actually this is a violation of smu protocols all of you are in violation but it doesn't really matter beautifully i appreciate that but isn't it isn't it a beautiful violation i was talking about not wearing masks i was not talking about vaccinations i understand that not everybody has the ability to get vaccinations but anyway well the point is you agree with trillionaires and billionaires and my point that you're is everyone person and i think that you've assumed that i'm not all of your arguments have assumed no i think that we just have we come from very different backgrounds i have plenty of friends who are very staunch conservative big trump supporters i have liberal friends who have bullied me because i'm still friends with them because i see that they are still people even though we have different beliefs i see that you're still a person you're you know you're making money off of bullying college students am i making money right now none of this is being making money this isn't monetized your brand makes you money the the live by the way we've invited any professor here is willing to they never do so we've done debates with professors in the past and any profession you could call them up if you want you know the way that you argue and the red herrings and the twisting the words and everything right red herring's like the stuff that you shared earlier about voter fraud my point here is this isn't bullying if you sit no one forced you to sit down oh no yeah i'm bullying you back well you just said you were being bullied both we're both bullying each other oh okay that's a consensus considerable bullying well bullying generally is a disparity of power there's no consensual volume well i mean you are definitely like an older and you are male and you are definitely you have all of the film crew here and i'm just a random student so in this sense i would say that you are the one who is more in power but i'm also bullying back with my words and my statistics so okay so you're bullying me but that's fine i'll take your bullying but you sat down willingly i don't think the fact that i'm a male has anything to do with it or that i'm older has anything to do with it i think all of these things are largely irrelevant when you sit down voluntarily we can go back to the idea of voting so let me ask you this what should be done how should what's the process for people voting if not photo identification so here's the thing i'm not saying that we need to get rid of photo identification it is the worst thing in the world i'm just saying that we need to know when i'm sitting on a second i'm saying we need to implement it because it only exists in six states okay so i'm arguing that we need to implement it the opposition is we can't because it's racist so no one's saying get rid of photo id there is no photo id there is some photos in six states i say seven but okay um depends on how you interpret it but all i am saying is that i just feel like it is i know this is something that you've probably heard before but like it does feel like the new jim crow like it does feel like back in jim crow days when you had to take like a literacy test you had to do in a very small amount of time that white americans who had been very privileged and educated and everything like that wouldn't have been able to complete that task successfully those were given just to black americans to see if they were able to vote i went alongside you say that the literacy tests were given the jim crow laws were only given to black americans no but like they were given they black americans were given shorter amounts of time in some states they're like they're because those laws the literacy tests look up i'm not defending jim crow but i think it's important that we agree don't do that don't assume that i'm defending jim crow let me finish my sentence here um i think we would both have to agree on the premise though that literacy tests at that point disproportionately affected black americans particularly southern black americans because they weren't being taught to read or write but white people had to pass literacy tests too okay right it was it was a roundabout way to discriminate against black people because at that point of endemic racism through the system we agree on that sure okay good yeah okay yeah but i i just personally don't feel like in the states that voter id has been required it ends up in less people of color being able to go to the polls and being able to vote for whoever they want to vote and if that is somebody who is on the republican ticket if that is president donald j trump they should vote they should be able to have that ability i'm not saying that i'm doing this because i need democrats to win oh awesome you just said it's comparable to jim crow and then you just said do you think that black people should have the right to vote look the question that i asked was if not vote identification to make sure that the person is who they say they're the only people who are eligible to vote are voting what does the system need to be i don't what are the what are the other 44 states if we're using the sixth term like do you do you see massive voter fraud do you see mass amounts of people who shouldn't be voting voting in those 44 states can you give me some statistics on that yeah so look now i think it's important the integrity of the ballot box is different from implying fraud so let me use examples that have nothing to do with 2020. 250 000 votes in the state of new york for example were found to either not be signature checked or they were using false social security numbers they couldn't be verified there are a hundred thousand ballots that had to be rejected in california um there were several thousand people who received double ballots right and in this last election i'll use this as an example i received two ballots to an address that i had physically changed and no longer live anyone could send it in without photo id there'd be no way to know so it's it's difficult for you to say i'm not saying voter fraud but there have been to the tunes of millions particularly with mail-in voting which is the big issue of controversy with georgia millions of anomalies through the voting system or votes that have had to be rejected or votes that could not be verified if they were legitimate or not and when you take into account that there are states that are won by a margin of 10 000 20 000 votes i think ensuring the integrity of the ballot box is important and that's why elizabeth warren and amy klobuchar and bernie sanders and jimmy carter said that election integrity is the most important national security issue of our time granted this was back when the russia issue was a thing and it's not like it's over right well then there you go then we need to ensure the integrity of the elections is that voter id but i don't think that voter id is the is the priority right now i do think that okay so my question goes to what is the system in place then what system is in place if not photo identification how do you ensure how do you ensure that that black america let's say from south dallas okay how do you ensure that his vote is not wiped out by one of the 250 000 just in new york state that couldn't be verified that weren't valid social security numbers of these millions of votes were just anomalies and they had to toss ballots how do you make sure that that black americans vote matters just as much as the white americans vote and it's not canceled out by let's say an illegal immigrant or a voting clerical system error because the clerical system air still cancels out real votes and that's what i would say is that we have to put more money into the voting system okay to the poll workers into those places where i i have friends who started working in polls when they were like 15 years old they don't know anything that they're doing you know i mean i love you know love teenagers and stuff but like it is they're idiots low-key they are um i've i've been a teenager i was an idiot so i i do think that we need to put more money into the way that all of the um you know like the the push in ballots i know in the 2000 election with the whole like the pregnant push or whatever with florida that was the thing with the ball yes with george bush and gore that was ridiculous a lot of the um like the digital polling places that were like were shut down and then there was less access to even different polling places and um i mean there are just a lot of voting systems that are out of date that need to be there need to be more people who are working at those places and are able to verify and keep the integrity of the ballot box how about both how about because in other words one of them is disenfranchised as people well and we haven't really made that case but let me ask you this because different statistics so and i actually i think of the statistics here that we can go after but let me ask you this you just mentioned that for example poll workers and i think i would agree with you look they mean well volunteers but they're not all entirely competent is that fair that's not insulting not all of them but we do have a system in place and a big part of what poll workers have to do unfortunately is verify proper identification not through photo id it's it's giving more yeah but the point is we already have that money in our systems through the dmv through the secretary of state online portals where people can verify effectively efficiently their proper photo identification we already have that and so you're saying well let's spend let's double spend that money now with poll workers who will never be equipped to deal with it how about people who it's their job to make sure that you have the right verification that's what i'm saying rather than put that pressure on and by the way in minority communities often these poll workers are like you've said the marginalized are people who maybe don't have a lot of time to get off work maybe don't have time for the training to actually know how to uh run up a social security number cross-reference it with a birth certificate they don't want to put that undue pressure on them when they have one night to do this i think the people who are professionals who are supposed to do it and serve their community which is why they have these outposts in their community let's make sure that people at least follow those rules and then strengthen the point what i'm saying is that we have to reform something if we don't reform the polls then we have to reform the ways that people are able to get ids you have continuously said that ids are either free or four dollars however in order to get an id you have to present with other identification that some people may not have and so that is where the seventy five to a hundred and seventy one because they may i i don't know why people don't have identification but you said that disenfranchised minorities why do you think that i'm not saying that minorities are the only ones that are misplacing that like don't have identification plenty of white people do as well i am just saying but you said it disproportionately affects minorities i'm not putting words why do you think more minorities don't have their birth certificates or social security numbers i didn't actually say that i said that the statistics show that minorities have fewer ids than white people for percentage-wise and a way that you don't have access to ids which includes for white people that eight percent is not nothing there are plenty of white people who are also disenfranchised on reasons other than their race and so for anyone who is trying to get an id they have to they people who don't have their own identification will have to pay for another birth certificate they'll have to pay for another social security card something like that and that is not that's not nothing and then it also comes with have you ever actually been to the tmp i'm assuming you have and i'm assuming that you have suffered through the hell that everyone has to go through the dmv do you really want to put more people in that or do you want to reform the system i think that if we have a voter id law we have to make it more efficient and better to get voter ids for everyone so how right now they can go to the dmv secretary of state they can fill it out online they can renew it online how do you make it more efficient if if you're fine with using taxpayer dollars to increase these campaigns to get people to get voter id then let's do that let's spend more millions and millions of dollars how about just personal responsibility how about the fact that the overwhelming number of white people black people latinos surprisingly more latinos actually when you take into account legal immigrants have id than black people and someone says white people how about we just expect the basic personal responsibility of being able to procure an id because one is an adult and that should be required so that we ensure the integrity of the ballot box i don't understand why that's a problem neither do black people neither do latino people no one understands why it's a problem except for liberal white women that's the truth statistically okay sure i love how you attack me based on my my visible race no statistic as a demographic it's for example another demographic it's only liberal white women who believe that biological men should be able to compete in women's sports what i'm saying is there's a huge disconnect between liberal white women and the average black american the average black american because my ex was a trans man and that is not something that i need to get into with no we don't need to get into but what i'm saying is there is a huge disconnect there is one outlier and it tends to be let's say wealthy white particularly women wealthy white liberal males as well are the only ones who share your point of view black people don't think it's too much to ask them to get id i'm not you're acting as if 73 is 100 you're acting as if like you're acting as if there are voices these people who do agree with me i'm not saying that they're the vast majority but you're acting as if they don't exist i'm not acting as if they don't exist i'm asking you why do you think 73 think you're so wrong and your point of view is racist but what they don't think that my point of view they think it's racist they think it's racist to assume that they cannot get id at the same rates as white people if this is a poll whatever i'm not even done okay so if i'm supposed to be at work right now okay it doesn't okay what thank you for working but say i'm not a monster i've never said you know no i know i'm just saying some people think i'm glad that i'm glad that you're working where do you work okay i work here at the admissions office i'm a tour guide oh okay yeah that's why i'm all in the smu get up is that part is that part of your outfit you have to uh well i should it's it's i'm supposed to okay i love it good i'm glad it's nice to do what you love yeah um listen i just i'm not hearing anything very convincing i'm not hearing any solutions proposed from from your side other than spending a lot of money with poll workers and again we're talking about people spend more money on the dmv and get more workers in there or make the the system more efficient make it more something that you can do online with ways to where you can there is okay but like you can do it online that's why joe biden said joe biden said you know a lot of these minorities don't know how to use the internet a lot of people don't know how to register not everybody in the community in the hispanic and the african-american community particularly in rural areas that are distant and or inner city districts know how to use know how to get online okay well i'm not going to say anything as ridiculous as that i'm not a big biden supporter either good um but i what i am saying is like you can leave it up to personal responsibility but they can do it online that doesn't matter because you said well maybe they can they can do it online more options so more communications about having being able to do it online because i i didn't even know that you were able to do it online okay so i would love to have known that to have been able to be the target of some communications on that i'm a marketing major maybe i'll fix that so now you see the value of doing to change my mind there are a lot of things that people don't know no you say that's valuable it's valuable now that you know you can go and uh and start filling out your id online sure and there will be you know millions of black people who watch us and go great that is not at all what i'm saying no no i'm saying that people who are watching that's all for people of any race who also did not know that i'm sure i'm not saying that you're but i'm saying black people who may not know that there is id online you mentioned that they mean there needs to be more outreach communities i honestly don't know if they're targeting a demographic we have a lot of black people actually in an audience yeah actually were you here when we did the smu show a few years ago yes i did yeah mcfarlane auditorium yeah we had a lot of black people there we had to stand up and cheer for a cuban american well i know but a lot of people come to these kinds of things not necessarily because they support you just because they enjoy the fanfare i don't really know if that happens when you're filling out an auditorium and the protesters are outside it was a pretty pretty fun party but i i had i had friends who were protesting you and made it inside so that's just all i'm saying is that well they didn't really show up then i guess everyone was laughing and having a good time oh they're laughing they're laughing i know you're saying i know i know yeah well hey listen it's it's it's a living oh you're it's entertainment right this is what that says this is entertainment it's entertainment education yeah you know like making sure that people right yeah i get trying to delegitimize what we're doing here was you present statistics that have been debunked from stanford and cornell thank you isabella i don't appreciate the attitude but here we have some sources as we go appreciate those either on the same page oh i really like the definition of racism at the beginning oh yeah would you like to read that would you like to go through it i'm okay actually oh okay i see that you okay then never mind then you can just go on the website and find them then if you don't want to go through what i have here but it's 87 blacks have id not that that necessarily matters based on my presupposition but i just think it matters that your statistic is wrong okay well i think that statistics the way that statistics are calculated means there's a lot of room for error but like i agree with you we'll just i agree with you that's why i say there could be a high end or a low end and not a hard you know i gave you a five point differential but uh no i appreciate it hey listen as far as it comes down to voter id uh i still think that everything you've said sounds kind of racist i know you don't mean to you're allowed to think that and i think that you are kind of racist but we're just gonna have to disagree well i've i've told you why i think you're kind of racist you haven't really told me why you think i'm racist why do you think i'm racist i think you're racist because you assume that black people are less capable than white people in procuring id why do you think i'm racist yeah you did i have said that the statistics the end result is that less have id okay i don't know the reasons under that i think that more research would have to be performed to figure out why those statistics are different so why do you think i'm racist i i said that as a joke to just kind of feel like a pithy little thing because you called me racist and i personally i didn't call you a racist i said i think that the arguments the presuppositions i think it comes across as racist and patronizing i don't think i'm very clear i do not think you're a racist i think you come from a i think you come from an empathetic place and i think you are starting off with some what i would say incorrect presumptions and data points that again it's this prejudice of soft expectations that culminate and they get where it's often racism or prejudice people don't go out expecting often today right they're soft racism don't expect them to be prejudiced but there are these inherent biases and i hear that in the arguments that you've made i don't think that you are a racist i think that those arguments sound kind of racist you said you think that i'm a racist i'm just curious as to why it's just like you know the casual mentioning of the i don't exactly remember the song but the black white yellow red and yellow black and white there precious innocent jesus loves the little children of the world are perfect jesus loves the little children all the children of the world red yellow black and white they are precious i mean doesn't isn't the more important part they are all precious in his sight that that sounds a little bit like all lives matter to me but anyway we're not going to talk about that what i would say is that i personally think it's disrespectful to refer to like i whatever it doesn't it doesn't really matter but anyway just the casual mentioning of that song i was like okay i'm swell i just had a certain idea of your character then well i i hope that you understand it wasn't intended to offend okay just like it's not intended to offend across all the chinese churches where it's sung every day on sunday morning i don't think that i think that arguing i think that arguing that black people are inherently less capable or unable to procure identification is more racist than all children are precious in jesus's sight using the correct colloquialism at that point the song was written when it wasn't considered racist to say black and yellow red just because things that like huckleberry finn was written at a time and it was okay anyone to say the n word yeah do you think that audio books now should have you know like yes do you of course they should you suggesting we shouldn't have audio books no i'm not huck finn are you kidding me well i'm saying if you if someone asked you to hold a mic and read huckleberry finn yeah what would you do when it got to that word i would read it i did have to do that in college i remember there was a there was a black guy in my class this was a class it was a very white class because i was in canada it's not nearly as diverse as it is here in the united states and i was reading um i'm trying to tell them trying to remember the short story and uh yeah i know that's an indictment on everyone's character that there happened to be white people here but i was reading the story and i was looking down i remember looking at a paragraph down i was like oh the n words indictments i was like the n word and i remember looking i remember looking at the black guy in the in the classroom like and he looked at me and he went okay cool so one guy in your class yeah that said that you were alive do you think that white people shouldn't be able to read huck finn aloud i think that they should be allowed to read huck finn aloud i just don't think that it is respectful for them to use that word when they could there are plenty of other things that they could say but it wouldn't be hot it would be hug fat no it wouldn't not if you're changing the words that's okay they're a bit like different different versions of it you're not changing the words you're just you're pronouncing it a different way what if it's a black person's uh album or it's a black person's then i am not going to say anything about it don't you think like for example like richard pryor like his album so i'm going to say the word here so that you understand that it's richard pryor's that nigga's crazy is the name of his album isn't it disrespectful for me as a white person to say i'm going to change the name of his album no you're not changing the name of this album you're changing the way that you are saying it you're you are changing the way that you're pronouncing the word because you are this is a i just think that it is for me i prefer i i want to be respectful of other people and if you know you have your statistics about 73 i would say that a good majority yeah of black americans do not want to hear white people saying that word well i think i think it matters i think the context i think if you were to ask i don't know that there's a poll for example that says do you think that white people should be allowed to sing along with kanye's college dropout i think that they're or if they were to say do you think and as a comedian and if you listen to richard pryor and if you listen to the late patrice o'neill you should i mean if you want to study black culture this is probably the most influential man in modern black culture outside of musical artists do you know who richard pryor is i do that okay he's the most influential black comedian of all time and he's also widely acknowledged as the best comedian of all time and he said that it's why i changed the name of my album it's like that's the name of my album he doesn't need to change the name of his album he's dead but the point is he was saying he didn't want white people when he said he didn't want white people it's not offensive he said my comment is for everybody sure so i don't agree with changing around when the album came out uh depends i mean he was really uh at his peak through the 70s and early 80s yeah okay so i would say that our social climate has changed a little bit since then just personally that's what i would think i mean at that point you would argue that it was more racist and you would say no this comedy is for everybody my point is this you should never walk up and use the the n word to black people in a denigrating way however i certainly think it's a problem oh i if i were reading huck finn i would absolutely say it i mean you just said it like three minutes ago yeah it was talking about the name the album of uh of richard pryor's album do you think that's offensive i think what should i say which how should i refer to uh richard pryor's house said n word i i would have personally said n-word but i know if that's not the title but i i just don't understand why you feel like like having a word taken away from you no i don't it's that he said that's the name of my album and i'm not i'm saying that richard fryer yeah maybe rest in peace should have been should have been using that word like he's totally fine to be using that no he said white people of course can say the name of my album he said it would be offensive to change it that's fine richard pryor said that was fine your your classmate but you just said it was offensive that i said it what i'm saying is you're speaking again on behalf of the last shirt and i just feel like i need to thank you very much if it's a spider let me know and if i accidentally hit you it's because i freak out with spiders okay it's not i might just flail on the mic [Applause] you might have been wanting to hit me no no no no come on you don't believe that um really you think i want to hit you i don't know there's a lot of aggression coming from here you sense aggression and anger yeah a little bit i'm sorry i think maybe maybe you need to recalibrate the way you sense uh social interactions i think it's been mostly pleasant but a few dozen mostly pleasant yeah nothing that would make me i don't know why you would think i'd want to hit you that's weird i think yeah that is weird to me that you would think i want to hit you okay what makes you think i want to hit you do we need to get into my um past traumas of my life yeah okay well i hope yeah let's see let's do that i mean it's like not what was that ptsd okay childhood so that's why you assumed i wanted to hit you it's not because of me just in general do you assume that all men want to hit you or just maybe men necessarily women too they could if they're if they're presenting the amount of aggression that you're displaying how am i presenting aggression to you right now it's the you're leaning you're leaning very much how would you like me to sit like be a little bit away from you and you're kind of all up in my space which is like fine whatever i'm leaning on my knee here i'm genuinely how would you prefer that i sit now so you don't feel like i want to hit you i don't feel like you want to hit me right now you just said that you thought i wanted to but at some point you were saying with the spider thing this is a total sidebar it's a side road but you said you genuinely think i want to hit you no not right now i'm safer you might at some point want to i'm not right now this is totally okay are you saying that maybe at some point you'll be asking for conversation absolutely not okay well then good then i won't be hating anybody i appreciate that um yeah i disagree with you the banning of words from books so that was the sidebar but um i disagree but thank you so much isabella i appreciate there's been a lot of stuff i appreciate you sitting down i assure you i had no point with one of you and i tell you what if anyone here tried to hit you i would uh i would probably hit them i know you know nay nay i guarantee would hit them if someone tried to hit you unless you were asking for it by hitting him first okay i'm gener generally against violence but good except self-defense but that's that wouldn't be self-defense that would be revenge what you just said but no i'm saying if someone tried to assault you i would i would shove them off of you and take care of them if i needed to but okay what did you hear it seems like you don't hear the real things that people say if someone hit me i'm like staggering back you said that you would go and hit them i said if someone was hitting you i would hit them like the meaning and you took that to mean that i would hit you no i didn't no i said that if someone if my best friend jake johnson sitting over there just came out and hit me jack johnson jake johnston i love him i'd love him to sit in this hot seat after i leave but uh we'll see but if he came over and hit me and then i staggered back and you hit him i would not really appreciate that i don't think that that's self-defense i think that that's just more violence okay now that you've clarified i will be sure to let jack johnson hit you sure right jake he was also uh do you know who jack johnson also yeah yeah first great heavyweight boxer great yeah great black heavyweight boxing champion of the world jack would be okay with jake johnson hitting me i'd be fine with that okay well then i guess i'll be too hey final thing i'll say sure even though you're white you're still you you and everyone here jesus loves all the children of the world that's fine he can love me doesn't have a little back you don't have to love him back thank you so much isabel i appreciate it [Applause] she was like she said she thought that i wanted to hit her and i said why would you think i want to hit you and i said not only would i never hit you but if someone else started hitting you i would hit them to defend you and she was like well that would be wrong because he's my friend and he can hit me and i said okay i'll let jake hit you no she said she said that you can hit her yeah well there you have it folks click like share this with someone if you think you gleaned something from it and i want to know do you think that voter identification is in and of itself racist or do you agree with my premise in that every argument i've heard against it is kind of racist let me know below we'll see you next time well you're still here on the internet that's a that's a miracle this is long and there are no cats playing piano or midgets on tricycles but look there are other change my mind videos you can click here there's some new ones coming up and if you want to support the show look you you guys all know about mug club but you can get some of these fight like hell shirts at crowdershop.com that's the best way to support us also if you know 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Length: 80min 17sec (4817 seconds)

Published: Tue Apr 20 2021

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[u/nobred4life]

It’s cringeworthy, embarrassing and insulting to see white or even no white kids literally repeating bullshit they have been brainwashed with!!!!!! They think blacks are too poor and dumb to have photo ID. If blacks are ok with this.....then do a gut check. Witt mixed race family myself.....I’m floored to think there are campuses full of such idiots who clearly have never even known a black person.

Voter ID is NOT racist and there isn’t one single fucking country on this planet who values election integrity that thinks ID is worthless. Except liberal white American idiots. 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

[u/Loganwolverine88]

Lol watching this right now. That girl is racist.

[u/Hps96]

Gotta love all the idiot cowards at the beginning who cry “voter ID is racist!” and then run away when asked to explain.

[u/guitarguru210]

I’m at virtue signal #6. This lady is insufferable

[u/Firm-Force1593]

First fella thinks money shaped him as a person more than having 2 parents present? 🤦🏻‍♀️