- [Announcer] It's a grim
anniversary for one local family. 20 years ago today, Audrey
May Herron went missing. - [Narrator] Herron was
a 31-year-old mother of three when she
disappeared without a trace. She was last seen leaving her job as a part-time nurse at Columbia-Greene Long Term
Care facility in Catskill. Police haven't given
up their search for her and her black 1990 Jeep. - Ah, the more I look at this, the more I feel like
something bad happened to her. (calm music) Today we're looking for Audrey
May Herron, who was a nurse and worked right here
behind us at the Columbia Greene Medical Center. Audrey was last seen on August
29th, 2002 when she left here at 11:00 PM to head home. She was driving a 1994 black Jeep Cherokee license plate number
X-Ray 233 Uniform Victor. We're gonna make it our mission today to follow any potential
route she may have taken home and see if we can find her. (upbeat music) - [Narrator] For families who have all but given up on finding their loved ones. This team is a last hope. (upbeat music) To a new phenomenon, civilian divers cracking
cold cases for free. - All right, so we're leaving
the medical center right now where Audrey worked. We had a conversation early this morning with a lead detective. We're gonna bring you into
that story right now as to why we're taking
these two routes today. - Okay, so I just got done
talking to the detective Mike, who just stopped by and
I'm really glad he did. That was really nice of him. And prior to that I was in
the RV over here studying our notes and some emails. And the information that we
were given prior to coming here to Catskill and based on the
information that we were given, the route that we were gonna
work today was gonna start on 23B, which is basically
main street, work our way up to Jerome and to 67 where she lived on. But after talking to the detective, he's got some other information
that we're gonna go off of to start our search. And not saying this is the only
search we're gonna do today, but however this is
where we're gonna start. Basically he's telling
us to start on 23B to 23, then to 32 North up to Caniff Road and then Doman Road and then 67 where she
would've taken a left and she lived about a
quarter mile down that road. We're also gonna be checking, apparently he gave us a tip on
a Woodstock Dam that's on 32. And apparently he's saying
that's a possibility that there's a water close there that we should probably search. We're also gonna be looking for any other waterways along this route. And that's where we're gonna begin our search today. - So this is the main street, this is the 23B that we're taking up. And in both routes it took us to 23B and then a potentially 23. But I say let's just stay on main street. Let's identify this one first. Let's run this one to Jerome. Let's then take it to 67. And if there happens
to be anybody's water, we'll knock these ones out. Then we'll circle back and we'll take a look at that other route. - Sounds good. I like it. How far do we go on this before we turn again Jerry? - So we're another quarter mile and we're going to be crossing
over the Catskill Creek. So we're gonna wanna put eyes
on it as we head across it. Right as soon as we cross over the creek, I don't know if there's any parking at it, but let's make a first left, which is where the friend from work, the coworker on Cauterskill Road. That's where she said
that Audrey made a left. - [Nick] Okay. - So let's make that first immediate left. We'll walk back onto the bridge,
take a look at the creek. What that does on this is it's gets her beyond the bridge and beyond the river. So we don't believe that
she's going to be an accident on a foggy night off of this bridge. And here's the bridge that
we're coming up to right now. So what you have is you have
a big power pole on the right. So we're not getting
through the bushes here on the right, not this bridge. We also have tall, you know, not even guard rail, it's exactly shallow. But let's go ahead and park over here. We'll walk back over and
take a look at that creek. (upbeat music) So the intersection right
here, the Catter Shaw, this is the last known
location from her coworker, is a little unclear on whether
her coworker made a left here or whether Audrey made a left here. So I'm a little confused on this one. So like I said, let's finish
running 23B right now. Look for additional,
like do we have anything that's not solid, you know, rock walls where she might potentially
go off into the water. But then coming back to this intersection, this is where according to
the Mike, to the detective, she could have made a left here and then made a right on 23
until she gets off again on, what was it, 32 or so. - [Nick] Right. - So we have multiple routes today, but after identifying
this one, there's no way that she could make it off
with those telephone poles with this big brick wall. And it's really shallow. You can see the bottom of the river here. - So I just got a text right now and it says, "Hi Nick, this is Sonsia." Audrey May Herron's oldest daughter. The investigator just called and informed me you guys are
in Catskill looking for my mom. I just wanted to reach
out and say thank you. - It's 20 years to 'em.
Means a lot to 'em. - Yeah.
- You know. - So I'm gonna respond to her. You're very welcome. - Okay, on down the road.
- Let's keep going. (upbeat music) - So this interchange up
here is, this is where we go underneath and then when
it turns to the right, that's the one that turns to Jerome. - Okay, so the only section of this route that is different than
the detectives is... - Getting on 23.
- This back, basically the section behind us. - [Jared] About three. Yeah,
about a three mile stretch - [Nick] Where he was saying
she would've been on this. - Correct. All right, so we're coming up
to a bridge crossing up here. 32 right here. So slow down, let's pull off
up here and put eyes on it. - Okay. - Now this is the spot where
I think people were saying they saw something in the water maybe. - Yeah, but I think this is also where it's like really shallow on. - Imma go peek at it. - What month did she go missing? - August. August 29th. So late summer. - So I don't know that
much about the area here. I don't know what the river level was at that moment in time. But a few things that I am seeing here. So we have like a parking area, guard rails and barriers there. - [Nick] Correct. - We need to explore this some more. We don't know the depth
of this hole right now, but according to the detective
this morning, like a lot of people go swimming in there. - Right. - I'm just going with the, it's dark and it's foggy. - Yeah. So real quick, while
you're touching on that, I just wanna bring our viewers
up to speed real quick. Just to give him a little
history on what happened that night that she went missing. So apparently at 11:00 PM when
she got done with her shift and she started heading
home, it was extremely foggy and somewhat rainy that night. So you picture this area, sure. Right now as we're
looking around it's easy to make your way around, but
remember this is the middle of the night where it's pitch blackout. You've got heavy fog and some rain. So with those options
involved, that plays into, there's definitely a possibility that she may have got
disoriented, took a wrong turn, or didn't take a turn and
ended up in a body of water. - Yeah. And so while I don't see her going off of this bridge, you
know, is there anything that was weighing on her
that night that you know, that we have an old parking area down here that she may have come down
to think before she went home? Some, and I'm not saying that this is the situation in this case, but some wives that work
late shifts, you know, whether it was she, did she
lose a patient recently? Did she, you know, have an issue
with, you know, her spouse? We don't know this. Again,
I'm just decompressing before you go home and put
the key in the front door to lay down and go to bed. So what I'm seeing is I'm seeing
this parking area over here as a potential, let me decompress right
before I make it home. We need to go down there and
see if there's any additional access to, do we have
something on purpose? 'cause we can't rule that
out. We don't know, you know, what was going through
her head that night? You know, I don't see anything as far as a parking area getting us down here, but I do see those barricades. - Right. - And is there something
on that other side? So now we have a big hole right here. We can't currently see the bottom, so we need to go explore that. We have that other area over there. Look at how it's, you
know, really nice and calm, but against the far wall over there, Cliffs drop off. How deep is that hole? - Right.
- I don't have the answer. So I think what we need to do is before we turn the
RV around or anything, let's walk down-- - Go to that.
- Yeah. Walk down to that entrance and see if this is currently
an open parking area. And if any of that plays
into my thought process here. - That's a old spillway or a dam or. - This is the old dam on 32
that, that we're talking about. So you have no parking areas or anything that's gonna
get you into this area here. Real pretty area though. I like this. - It is cool. Those rocks and like that. - But yeah, this part
you can see the bottom. But yeah, let's identify an
entrance into this parking lot sooner than later and get you off the road where it's a no parking zone. Yeah, it's definitely old and
abandoned. I don't know when-- - It almost looks like that's an old, maybe there was an old
bridge that went across there and they've since decommissioned
it and this is a new one. Who knows what year that
would've been done but. - Yeah. - Like I don't even see
a way to get down there. - Yeah, you have trees growing up through there and everything, - Right. So that's definitely been
longer than 20 years. - Yeah. But coming back to the, it's not a wrong turn in the fog. This is a-- - Deliberate stop. - I'm going to decompress
or whatever longer way. - Well deliberate or did
somebody ditch a vehicle here. - I'm not going down the foul
play route on this one yet. You know, this is a,
right now we still have accident locations to look at. - Now look at how that
guardrails damaged down here. Or is that a turn? - Yeah, that's a entrance right there. Yeah and you have a gate up here. Hey man, I'm gonna roll
this one out for now. I don't see a way for
up over this guardrail. So then as we're coming back up and we're talking about this, you know, there's been instances where we've had cars flip over guardrails. Would that come into play here, I'm gonna say no. And the reason for it is because we end up on the
flat surface down here that it's not right next to the hey, we have water right here
where the vehicle ended up and nobody just, nobody noticed a vehicle or damage to the guardrail
at that moment in time. And so right now, based upon
that, for me personally, I'd not be concerned about this first hole or those other holes over there because we don't have, you know, where Audrey could have driven
her vehicle down into it on accident or on it
or intentionally there. - Yeah. And then reading the stories and the information that
we've been provided. 'cause we always think of, could this possibly be
a self-harm scenario? I see that as highly unlikely. She had three daughters
at home, young girls, she was married, she had
just got a pay raise that day and actually made a phone call
home earlier to her husband to inform him of this raise that she was really excited about. So there's a lot of things about this that when you're reading
into, you're like, man, that's just, I just don't think that card is on the table. This is purely an accident
that we're looking into and not a self-harm scenario. - Well, you know, and I
want to go even further into that as well because
the longer these go on, there's more rumors and
speculation out there and I mean, I don't like bringing it up, I don't like addressing it, but I'm going to address it right now in that, you know, spouses are always, you know, there's always a spotlight on them. And because of what you just brought up, I would say a hundred percent no, the husband is not involved in this one because we have a two working household. You know, they're both working. We have a fresh pay raise. She's in love with her husband. She called him to let him know she was excited about the pay raise. So in my opinion, based upon what I know at this moment in time, they seem to have a good relationship. - Right.
- You know, you never know what happens behind closed doors. But in my opinion, husband should not be suspect in this at all. - Absolutely. I totally agree with you. - So now we need to come back to, we're looking at an accident
or unfortunate self harm, but we're taking that
off the table as well. - Right. - So now what is that accident? Where's it at? Keep on down the road and let's
see what else we can find. I wish this was it. I wish that we could
give answers right here. So when we start looking
at a potential accident off of a bridge over a guardrail,
I'm gonna refer back to, Antonio Lopez, 205 bridge. He came off no more than 35 feet. 15 feet of water. This is, even if the
water level's up 15 feet. He's gonna hit so hard. It's gonna plow in. It's not going to move, it's not going to end up in this hole. For that reason, a hundred percent. This one is out of the
question for me right now. - I agree. Let's keep looking. - Holy frick. We have
two ponds right there on Doman Road right off the road. There's where she's at. So we're gonna make a right up here on Canniff. Now here's what I want
you to see on Canniff. There's going to be right here, potential in question. Now that's 30 to 40
feet, so less likely than what I found up here on Doman. So this is great information
that we got from the detective because it puts me on Doman that we didn't know about. So now you come up Doman. Not that one. That's too far off. Look at that. You have two right there off the road. Looks like it goes-- - [Nick] Yeah. - [Jared] Down. - [Nick] Oh yeah. - [Jared] I think she's in
one of those two right there. - Yeah. And even though those
are on the opposite side. Well let's say a deer ran in front of you or you fell asleep at the wheel
and you swerved or whatever. - Yeah. - [Nick] Definitely a possibility. Okay. - And then, and then she gets to 67. So 67 she never made a
left and made it home. But that is two absolute
potential locations. So let's make a right on a Canniff. I wonder if this is the golf course that they had that they used to own too? The detective was telling us
that they owned a golf course before she went. I think they sold it before
she had gone missing. I don't think they owned it anymore. And I'm only speculating this is the golf course in question. According to law enforcement, the detective, they'd
searched these ponds. And speaking with the
detective this morning as well, he watches our show quite a bit and so he also understands, hey, unless we have searched it, we don't consider anything searched. So it says that the golf
course has been very cooperative in working with them. So if we rule out Doman then I would say the golf course is right there. Let's go ahead-- - [Nick] Sure. - And check those three ponds
as well if they let us on. In my opinion, way too far off. - [Nick] Yeah. I can see the bottom of it. - And you can see the bottom. So two reasons why we're ruling that out. One is, you know, from just from the road. We can see the shallow but also you see how
you had like the big dip of the ditch. - [Nick] Yeah. - As well as the trees right there. All right, let's head up to Doman. Make a left. That's not the one we want. We want the two that are coming up (GPS navigator) So the pond is sitting
up higher right here. So this is not one that we would necessarily
be interested in. - [Nick] No. - And the trees are
actually you have a berm that you're not going for
an accident on that one. - No. - All right, so slow it up right here. We just want to put eyes on both of 'em. Let's just walk up on 'em. - Okay. - So when we were looking at it on the map, still very hopeful, but now it's like a hundred percent no. (leaves rustling) (ducks quacking) Yeah. Here you're just not. The only thing you have is
you have a house right here. - Right. - And it's so shallow over there. - Yep. - You don't have a vehicle in there. Initially when I was looking
at it on Google Earth, - It looked-- - It looked like it went this way. Which it goes this way right here, but-- - Right. - It doesn't show the big
berm that's right there. What do we have up and over here? So we come up to the dam side. So same thing and it's low and shallow to get in right there. - Yep. - Then you have a road coming in. So now if you look at the
potential road access over there and you want to go in on this side. You might have a potential deeper spot over here. But now we're looking at a,
hey, this is a on purpose or this is a foul play. The question is how deep is it? And you can see bottom right there. So then I would rule that part out. All right, well lemme
bring the drone back. Let's walk down there
and just check it out. And then if it's something
we wanna check out, let's go ask the landowner on it. Which am gonna guess this
is our landowner right at that house up there with the flag. Kind of really sort of interested
in that one down there. Why don't the two of you head down there? Put eyes on it a little bit more. - I go talk to the homeowner.
- Okay. (dogs barking) - [Owner] Get back! No! (dogs barking) Get out there. Get under there. Kick your butt. - [Jared] All bark no bite? - [Owner] Oh just noisy. Pain in the butt. - [Jared] I'm Jared. With a search team, that's working the missing person's case of Audrey Herron. - [Owner] Who?
- [Jared] Audrey Herron. - [Owner] Oh Audrey yeah.
- [Jared] Yeah. - So far from what I've seen. These are very highly unlikely and I mean you're not gonna get a vehicle over these berms right here. You can see they're 10
feet at least above, where I'm standing on this road. And, so, they're not in these ponds. We're gonna double check, but I just don't see how you could get a vehicle in these ponds. Unless you were purposely trying to, or somebody took the vehicle, drove it down a driveway and then put 'em in. So we'll keep working our route, and then we gotta go back. There's that one section that we still need to
investigate and check out that the detective told
us about this morning, slightly different route. And once we do that we'll
see if there's any more water along that route and check those areas. Yeah, I just I'm not seeing, any possible way, you're gonna get a vehicle up here. This is a dam separating
two of them right here. But they're too far off the road, and there'd be too much. Definitely not an accident scenario. So, I can hear Jared talking
to the landlord over there, getting some information
probably on these ponds. But, I think we, we move on to our next
potential possibility of an accident scenario. - [Owner] That's what
I figured this summer or when we used all the water out there, if there was anything here. But we were down to almost nothing. - Right, all right, yeah
I'll go talk to J. Thank you. So a couple things we're looking for. One, is for permission, to get onto to these ponds to search them. We're no longer looking
in accident location, when we're looking into these two. But because it's within
the five-mile radius, Audrey's home is just
around the corner from here. So with that five mile radius, we cannot rule this out, until we get in the
water and we rule it out. - What'd you find out? - So the gentleman was saying that the golf course now owns
both of these ponds. So they ran pipe down here and this is the first time in 15 years since this gentleman has lived here that they have had to actually
pump water out of here. In doing so, this furthest pond actually was drained enough that you can almost see the bottom. - Oh got you.
- This other one, nobody knows how deep it
is at this moment in time. So J, is now the new golf course owner. - Oh. - So now we have a name
when we go over there. - So you're thinking, you wanna search this pond here? - What did it look like to you? - Well I mean again it's, you'd have to get up and over this berm to get into it. - There's a backroad? - Oh. - So that's what I'm interested in, is the backroad coming in. - Yeah I mean there's vegetation. So you can't even see anything. If you wanna peak up here you can. Yeah where's the access to it? What I'm interested in
is where the dam is at that splits the two. - Yeah that's where we were at just now. - And then we want to
head to the other side, and scope out that road that's over there. (leaves rustling) - The only place that I'm seeing that you'd get in at least
from right here is right here. - I had the drone from
up on the other side too. And from the other side, you had another little
ramp like this as well. So see this road up here? - Oh there is a ramp here. - Yep. So you got a road. Ramp in. You have a tire. I think what would have thought was a vehicle flipped upside
down is the tire right there. - [Nick] I mean--
- Attached to it. - The only thing I'm seeing about this, that makes me not suspect anything is that unless somebody
deliberately put it here, she's not gonna accidentally end up on this backroad road,
you know what I mean? - 100% correct. But now that we have made it our way all the way up to 67,
and we're making a left, and the house is only a quarter mile, with no other bodies of water. We need to go back and finish
running the other route to see if there's anything.
- Right. - Any bodies of water. - But now we're at the, starting at square one home--
- Five mile. - Five mile radius. And now you have the entire
golf course and this and. - Sure. - And now you're coming back to the, we don't know what's
going on in their life, versus an accident. Guess we don't know how. - You know what's the
weirdest thing about that is that it's... Unless it's super shallow... God I wish we could see that's if it's attached to a vehicle. - We'll find (indistinct). It's gonna be, one check
wonders what they call me. Look how small the tire is. That's not a Jeep Cherokee tire. That's like a trailer. - A Jeep Cherokee isn't
a very big vehicle. My dad used to have one. - Still it's an SUV that's
only like a 15-inch tire. (water splashes) See and it's empty.
- [Nick] Floating. - Yeah. And it's not very deep right there. - No, so. - So I would rule this
one out for that reason. - Okay, well good. Now that helped us. - I'm glad we rule that
out too 'cause that smells. I don't wanna put any
of our stuff in there. - Yeah, it looks like
these two are number one, they're shallow, they're
kind of off the beaten path. So I'm gonna rule these
out. What do you think? - Yeah, I mean there's definitely
not an accident location. So this one, in my
opinion, again, not knowing what her actual routes were, would be more likely in
a direct route looking at the map than the first
one that we came up. - I totally agree. - So we'll take this back down
to 32 then let's take 32-- - [Nick] And then when we come back-- - Up to 67 and then we're gonna
head down to another route that you could actually
take off 67 as well. We're just gonna keep
hitting every single one. - All these roads. - And put an eye on 'em as
far as these bodies water. So with the route that
we took first was going to be the detective's route. That's the route that
she would normally take. However, with it being dark
and stormy night, more fog. Are we looking for something that's a little wider, a little safer? That would then bring us up
32, making a right on 67, taking us back down towards her home. I don't know, just this
is all speculation. We just wanna make sure that we rule out every route along the way. Now once we get up in here to Freehold and we make that right on 67, what I'm really interested on is going to be right on the left. Although we have two ponds here, one on the right, one on the left. I'm more interested in
the one on the left. If she would've hit a patch of ice. I don't know if there was ice or not. The fog got confused, but right now the pond on the
north side of the road appears to be a little bit wider, a little bit deeper than
the one on Smiley's property on the south side of the road. Now Smiley's property is what it says. He has like an equipment,
like a big farm equipment, pretty much like a big
junkyard for farmers is what it appears to be from
what I saw on Google Earth. So like I said we'll put
eyes on it and go from there. All right. So another
a hundred yards or so, it's gonna be coming up. So right here on the left. That pond there. We got that pond there. And I'm gonna say no
to the one over there. That one I'm interested.
Just pull off right here. (gentle music) - And then the last question
is, can we tell how deep it is? Would it make it far enough out there that it would be completely submerged, and undiscovered for the last 20 years? And I'm gonna say no just by looking at the edge right there. Do you have, are your glasses
polarized by any chance? - Yeah, I can't see nothing though with the way that's going. But it could be one of these ponds to where it's dug down six to 10 feet right here immediately. Where's the dam side of it at? It's kind of right over here, but then you have this log that's laying down in here as well. It's not out of the question. - Let's check with Carson, see if he can see the
bottom of that thing. - Okay. Yeah I mean just like 20, 30 feet out. - I mean if it launch to the middle, I feel like the middle is
probably at most six feet. - No, I can probably agree
with you on that one, because it didn't have
like steep drop offs, like up in Kentucky and stuff like
that for some of those ponds. - [Carson] I mean it's
possible there could be a deep hole in there. - Yeah. So this right now is still on the map. We need to wait until the
homeowners come home later. (gentle music) - [Nick] 41. - [Jared] Yep. 41 right here. - [Nick] Too shallow. I can see the bottom all
the way on this side. I don't know about that side. - Yeah. That shallow, shallow. Mine's still in rock here. Pull over though. Like see if you find a spot
that's, so we're not in the way. Yeah, the one thing I
wanted to check out was like this coming off of here, but it hits the rock right away. So nothing there. Solid. - [Nick] Solid. Like slate rock. - All right. So where
does that take us now? All right. So we're here at
the corner of Lake Mills. - Lake Mills.
- We continue down Lake Mills. Okay. So we have another
potential accident. I think it's gonna be
too far off the road, but we'll check one more
right before we hit 23. - [Nick] Oh that one on the right side of the road as we're going that way? - [Jared] Yep. Off of Lake Mills. - Oh yeah, it is right there
next to the road though. - Yep.
- Okay. - Now from there then let's
work this in reverse order for kicks to cover the rest of 23 down. So let's make a left on 23. Let's take that back down into town. - [Nick] Yep. - And then we will look at some, another potential route coming back up. - Okay. - I also want some more
additional information that we need to dig deeper into
once we drop back into town and we start bringing the route back up. Did she make a left on Cauterskill or did somebody else make a right on? Or did her friend make
a left on Cauterskill? All right. So let's go to
23, make a left into town. - Okay. And check that road. - Do some research so that way we can put in our mind exactly what her and what the witness said. Who went left on that road? - And Sonsia might call
us back by then too. We might be able to get some new information from her as well. - Right.
- Okay. (gentle music) - Okay, let's check this out. - But this route we've not taken, and I've heard this was
our first initial route that we ended up turning off of Jerome. But this is Jerome here
that came through the town. So now if we take a look at this. Unlikely there, possibly likely here. That we cannot rule this out. Like we have to put it on
this one in my opinion. We need to find out how deep that is. Yeah 'cause I mean you got a
tree laying down right there. - [Nick] Yep. - And so these are oaks here. So these have up in here,
none of them are snapped off. So the only way you're
getting a vehicle in-- - Would be this one spot.
- It's coming right through here and a potential, but I mean you're like
threading a needle on that one. - [Nick] Right. It's pretty shallow there. - So the peat mont, whatever
this peat stuff is growing up on top doesn't mean anything. What you're looking for that
would rule it out would be, oh, what's the word I'm
looking for? Lily pads. - Right. I'm touching the bottom right there. So it's basically
two-feet deep right there. - Yeah and these oaks are old oaks. - How deep are you right there? - Right there. You're already
at two and a half, three. It's dropping down right there. - I mean could you get
a vehicle through there? - Yep. So now what I'm looking for is, I mean it's been 20 years. So I mean do you have
any bark that's come off that's regrown or bark's not gonna regrow. Bark off on that. Well I can't say that we can't clear this until we put a boat in. - Okay. - I don't know how deep it is right here. You're not even threading
the needle there. I mean you got room on there
that you can get through there. All right. I say put a boat in. - [Nick] Okay. - [Jared] Let's clear this one. - [Sonsia] Yeah, sorry about
the time change I forgot, or the time difference. I forgot about that. - Oh, no worries at
all. That's no problem. So we're, as you know, we're up here in your old neck of the
woods looking for your mom. - [Sonsia] Uh-huh and thank you. - Yeah, no problem. And I just wanted to pick
your brain a little bit and see if there was any areas of concern or any information that we
haven't been given already that maybe you could provide us to help in our search today and tomorrow. - [Sonsia] Honestly, not really. I think for me it's
always the main concern has been anything along her route home. And then I know you guys
were already looking in the Hudson along
Catskill there correct or? - It's on our list. We didn't start there, but if we, we were basically
gonna retrace her steps of the route that she potentially would've taken home that night. And then if we don't find anything today, tomorrow we might be concentrating on the Hudson River where
the Catskill meets it. - [Sonsia] Okay. Yeah,
the Hudson River is huge. So that's a--
- Right. - [Sonsia] Quite an undertaking. - Yeah, and I mean
there's only a few spots. We talked to the guy that owns the riverside
marina this morning and he said he could tell us, but he said there's really
only a small number of places where a vehicle could actually make it into the Hudson River down-- - [Sonsia] Oh, that's good.
- In a Catskill area, yes. Couple questions that I
was gonna ask you just, to help in our investigation. I know some of these
questions may be tough for you and I'm not meaning to
be offensive in any way, but just to help us in our investigation. Your mom at the time, was
she seeing anybody else? Did she have a boyfriend or was she... From what I've read, she was
married to Jeff at the time. Is there any other things
that you might suspect out of just maybe getting lost
or going off the road? - [Sonsia] She wasn't seeing
anyone else that I know of. I mean I was only 10 at the time so I don't know how much
she would've shared with me. But there was no suspicious
behavior that I noticed or I never saw her meeting
up with like another guy. - Okay. - [Sonsia] And you know, that
I, nothing out of the ordinary that I noticed at that time. - Okay. And in your mind
you believe that it's, it was an accident that
maybe she went off the road somewhere or do you have any suspicions as to what might have happened to her? - [Sonsia] I honestly
don't really have a theory. I think that there's not enough evidence in her case for me to have a theory. I think it's pretty much a 50/50 chance. She very well could have
gotten in an accident or something like that. Or someone did this to her and purposely hid her car
or dumped it somewhere. - Gotcha. Okay. Well thank
you for your cooperation. I sure appreciate it. I'm so sorry that you've had to go through this over the last 20 years and hopefully in the
next remainder of today and tomorrow that we can
bring some answers to you. Even if we don't find her,
we will at least get back with you and tell you the
areas that we have searched so that you can rule those out
as areas that you don't have to worry about that she is not there. - [Sonsia] Okay. That's
great. That's awesome. And I wanna thank all of you guys for taking on our case and doing this. It really means a lot to us. - Yes, absolutely. We sure
appreciate it. Thank you. - [Sonsia] Okay, well thank you. - Yep. Have a good day. - [Sonsia] You too. Bye-bye. - All right, bye. - You just don't know until
you clear it until you know. (gentle music) - Two feet. Four feet, three feet,
three and a half feet. It's a small pond. I'm just gonna do a circle, that way we can.
- [Cameraman] Yeah. - It's either deep enough
for a car or it isn't. I mean realistically
somebody could come out here and come in, it's probably deeper right over there, but maybe not. So we're in basically two
feet of water right here. Super shallow.
- [Cameraman] Yeah. Two feet. - However, there was
something, I'm just curious. We're not deep enough to put a vehicle in, but over here along this side, somebody could drive in and over here. Would they do that accidentally? Absolutely not. Purposefully there's a chance. Three foot deep. Nothing on the bottom. It's pretty smooth. And four feet. There's the
deepest spot right there. There's one that's probably a
culvert. I'm gonna check that. But it's again, we're not even deep enough that to fit a car. But I just wanna see
what this is right here. There's also a chance, this would've been the end of August. Maybe it was a dry year. The water level could have
been even lower that time. This was 20 years ago. Or it could have been way deeper. But you can't rule it out until you put either a sonar
ball in to see how deep it is or put a boat on it and test it that way. So we got a four-foot maximum depth. You ain't gonna fit,
you aren't gonna be able to fit a vehicle in
here without seeing it. So we can check this one off the list. - [Jared] No dice, huh?
- Nope. Too shallow. - Well I say our next
location, let's head down 23 and it's gonna cross over Catskill. Let's go check that out 'cause
it's right before a dam. So it's gonna be a lot deeper of a hole. Like pretty much our only deep hole that we have in the area
on the actual route. - [Jared] Okay. - Let's go see what it
looks like right now. (upbeat music) All right, so the issue
with this is we're dealing with the interstate, good guardrails, and there's no like
running off the road here in my opinion. We are dealing with fog that evening. We're not dealing with snow and ice being built up like Antonio. So you have a big dam right here. Certainly deep enough to
hide if a vehicle goes off. However, we're dealing with a no snow, no ramp from Department of Transportation, nothing to launch her off of here in the same way that Antonio went off of his bridge up on 205. Doesn't mean that she
cannot make it off of here, but her coworker saw her just a little bit further north at that next junction up the road. - She would've already
been past this bridge. - Yeah. So the only way I can
bring her back to this is if for some reason, oh I forgot something and she ended up turning around. Now if she was on 23B, and if it was her that made a left and her coworker says she
would normally not make a left on that road and then
she took the highway back to go get whatever she left behind there is that slim chance for her to end up in here
coming back south on 23. Now the question is,
is there a boat access if we wanted to clear
it somewhere up the way just a little bit? And I have
no cell phone service down here so we'd have to go head back up on top to figure that out. - Okay. - That's my only thought for this one. - Yeah, I just, I wished I knew what these bridges
looked like 20 years ago. Have they done any renovations on them? Was it just a basic-- - And this is where we're gonna
be heading back into town, we're gonna have a
better cell phone service or we can hook this Starlink up as well. And pull up your Google Earth
Pro and then go back in time. - Right. - And see have these
bridges changed at all? - Because a lot of times
what they would do, this might've only been just
a one single lane bridge. They added this one and when that was done, open this one up while they redid the other side. - Yeah. So yeah, we can
fire up the Starlink and take a look at that.
- Okay. - Because I can't rule this out. - Right. No, I hear you. - And the reason why we can't is 'cause we had a 205 bridge,
the same height as this and... - Same thing happened. - Yeah. Antonio went off of it. - He went over the concrete. - Concrete barrier. Up and over. Now it wasn't, we had that creek snowstorm where department transportation
plowed it created a ramp and so he went outta
control and up and over. But cars have been known to flip over these barriers as well. So foggy night could
ping pong up and over. There's always that possibility. So let's go grab some Starlink
and figure it out from there. - Yeah, I'm basically looking at our notes that we have on our master
spreadsheet, our map basically. And I want to go over. There's a couple different stories, make sure we're not
missing anything with them. There's one story saying one of the coworkers followed her home and she turned here and one
said she was following her and she turned here. So I wanna make sure we get this straight. So we cover all our bases before we go out for our next search. - [Jared] Yeah, we have no-- - [Nick] Okay, here's that. - [Jared] River coming
in where we're gonna get into that lower bridge park down here. It's impossible for us
to get a boat into there. - Okay. Jared, on your map, I'm gonna read you something,
see if you can take a look. This gal says, "I have
heard there's some talk, it could have been foul play but I really think the weather was key. There was very heavy fog that night and I believe she could
have overshot her turnoff onto 32 and continued on and went onto 145, a few miles
ahead in Rockefeller Lake, which is large and close to the road. To me, a very real possibility is that she could have
realized this at some point and decided to go up to 67A and take that over to Freehold." This has a creek with a bridge to cross looking on Google
maps of this bridge. There is what looks like it
could have been a vehicle on the left side about a
hundred feet off the bridge when you zoom in. - [Jared] At the Rockefeller Lake? - Well that's what's confusing is it's, I read you that all in order
exactly how she ruined it. - Yeah 'cause there's a little creek with a bridge there at Rockefeller Lake. But why would she go down past one house, two or three houses? - What she's saying here is it was a very real possibility
is that she realized that she might've overshot it went on 145 all the way up to 67A and
take that over to Freehold. I'm trying to figure out what
the gals trying to explain. - [Jared] Oh it's really
easy. So she was on 23. The 32, she could have gone up 32. - [Nick] Or she might've overshot it. - [Jared] But instead
overshot ended up taking the next exit at 145. - [Nick] And then go
all the way up to 67A. - Right and then she was mentioning the Rockefeller Lake in there, but if when you look at this,
it's too far off to the right. You have a house there
and then the distance to make it into there is too far off. - So back to, let's say she's
just continuing on this 145. It has a creek with a bridge to cross. Looking on Google maps on this bridge there is what looks like to
be a vehicle on the left side about a hundred feet off
the bridge when you zoom in. - So you make it on 67A
the creek with the bridge. But we know that the
Catskill Creek up here. - [Nick] We already went over this. - Well we haven't gone over
this bridge right here, but we can certainly go up there. But you can actually see the bottom of it even on Google Earth here. So that's not deep through there at all. So we can certainly go up there. - I think we should at
least put eyes on it. - Put on eyes on it. - So keep note of that. - Yep. - That's one spot. - [Jared] All right. Yeah. Then
while you're looking at me. - [Nick] Again, if you zoom
in off of the bridge on 67A, an image can be seen that
looks like a vehicle. Is that the one she's talking? Yep. Okay. - [Jared] That's what she's talking about. But you're not gonna see a vehicle there. What you're looking at is
because you're clearly gonna see it 'cause that water is crystal clear. And so what you're gonna
see is are those rocks that those limestone that's flat, that's what she's looking at on here. - [Nick] She said about a
hundred feet off, which would be, I would think. - [Jared] I mean a hundred
feet off would be up here. So that's, that's 10 or 20. - [Nick] I would say a hundred feet would be about right there. - But yeah, we can certainly take that drive back up there just
to confirm and knock that off. But now let's say that
she did take that 67A. Now let's bring 67 back
down into town just to see if we are missing
any additional body of water for that route of overshooting it. This is too far off the route
and now we're back to 67 and then we still have
this pond in question. But that's only if she's
coming into Freehold, not going back home. You're not going to do a 90 into this pond if she's heading towards home right now. - Okay. Jared, here's the next paragraph that was in question. This lady says she
traveled west down road 23B towards home, which was
about 50 miles from work. A coworker said they were ahead of Audrey till they had to turn
onto Cauterskill Road. - Okay. So they turned
onto Cauterskill not her. And that was it. So she just
saw in her rearview mirror. - Correct. But there's
another one, another coworker that was following her. So I'll get to that one.
- All right. So right now I have nothing
bringing her back into town. So only have one hole
deep in there on axle 23. But we only have fog that night. But she would have to come back into town. But I can get get us
down there if we had to. - I'm getting my laptop outta the rain. So I found the third note here that we should think about. This gal says she had just finished work, working her three to 11:00 PM shift. Her coworkers stated they saw her leave in her vehicle at 11:00 PM. One coworker was following behind her for part of the drive. When Audrey turned and began to take a
different route than usual, her coworker assumed it was
due to the rain and fog. - So what was, where did she see her turn? - She doesn't say. That's the only info we have is that she said she turned in
an, outta the ordinary place that she thought maybe it was due to because it was rainy and foggy. - A place she would not normally turn. So we currently know
that the one coworker was in front of her and that she at least
made it to Cauterskill. - Correct. So it would be between there. - And so her coworker did not say, she followed me onto Cauterskill. - Correct. - So now we're still on 23B. So let's just start working
this from here again. Cauterskill. So we know that she made
it to this location. Now her friend saw her turn on a road that she would not normally turn on. The question is did she
make a left or a right? And if she was getting
nervous about the road, she had several opportunities
to simply jump over to 23, which we've then gone on. Let's bring it all the way
back to town here again and work anything that to the
north past the Cauterskill. And we have the river to cross over that's currently to our north. So we have to keep that in mind. We have Scotch Rock Road because
it just kinda loops around 'cause be like, oh I gotta
make a right, my next right. But let's keep that one in mind. And then how do we tie back? I need to tie us back in to, okay look, that could potentially
be our road right there, the Warren Stein. So we turn at the church
because that ties in to, normally she would take the Jerome that ties into Lake Mills road. But if you look at this, so this is that intersection right here that then continues up Lake Mills that then ties into 67 up here. So that one is absolutely in play and we're right along the river there. I really like that. That one there. These both of these locations. So we have three main locations to go check before it gets dark tonight. - Okay. - All right. I'll lead you. (gentle music) All right. So the river is
actually that far away, so. - [Nick] We ruled that out. - Oh, actually the river
gets closer up here, so yeah. - [Nick] Too shallow. - So right here we got way too shallow. - [Nick] You could see the
bottom all the way across. - Yep. All right, so let's head up to the church. - [Nick] Where the church is, yeah. - [Jared] All right. So
next, right over the bridge. - Sandy Plains. - I want a deep hole
up here is what I want. And it doesn't look like there is one. - [Nick] I know. - [Jared] But let's pull into here anyway. - The more I look at
this, the more I feel like something bad happened to her. - So we got a quarter of a mile
to half a mile there, Nick. But it all looks shallow. - What we need this thing to do is go from 150 feet wide down
to like 30 feet wide. Then we might have deep enough hole. - Right. - Because even right there, it's only, I would say three feet
at the very maximum. - Yeah, it's the same all the way across. What I was hoping for, like I said, was-- - And it's super clear water. Even if it was deep enough
to put a car in right there, you might even be able
to see it all the way. - Yeah. You're gonna see
50 feet deep in this. So then our next hope for this. We end up with less water
the further up we go. But if we do get lucky when
you head up this road further, we're gonna make a left on that mire and we might end up with
another deep hole up there. - Okay.
- Let's. - Let's go check it out. - [Jared] Get you backed up into the road and go check it out for sure. - [Nick] Now we're gonna get closer to the river a little bit here. - Yep. So you'll actually have a
guardrail that's up here and that's what I'm really interested in. A, how long this guardrail has been there, and is there any spot you can get through that doesn't have all these big oaks? So now this is what I
want to pay attention to. Like absolutely there. - And how deep is it? You can see-- - [Jared] Absolutely here. - It's about six inches
deep most of the way. - [Jared] On this side?
- Yeah. - [Jared] Or the other side? - I'll check it real quick. Yeah. Shallow. You can see
the bottom all the way across. It's only like a foot,
maybe two feet at the most. Well, that concludes day one in our search for Audrey Herron here
in Catskill, New York. We did not find her today. However, we did accomplish a lot. We covered a lot of ground. We followed the two potential routes that she would've taken home and all the waterways along that route. Places along the Catskill Creek, and a lot of ponds in the local areas. Tomorrow, the first thing,
we're gonna go to that one pond that's across from Smiley's equipment. We did get permission
today from the landowner to go in there and search, even though it has been searched
multiple times by divers that have been out here
for the same thing. We did explain to him that
until we've searched it to our standards, it
has not been searched. So we're gonna do that
first thing in the morning. And then we got a tip and we're gonna meet up with a former law enforcement
agent from the area. And he's got some info for us. Apparently he spotted Audrey
the night she disappeared at an intersection and he's
gonna tell us all about that. He remembers the license
plate, her vehicle, and exactly where that happened. And tomorrow, that's where
we're gonna get started. And if you haven't already,
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all across the country. (ominous music) - [Announcer] Still no answers for the family of Audrey May Herron. - We're meeting with a former law enforcement
agent of the area. He saw Audrey the night she disappeared. - [Man] That to the day
that I die, firmly believed that was a Russian mob deal. - [Reporter] Police telling me today that while they don't
have any new updates, the case remains open and is still active.
