New Budget GPU, Looks Like A CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 8700G Review

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description okay so the new ryzen 8000g series of processors includes a radon 700m series GPU based on the RD3 architecture using up to 12 computer units and AMD says these igpus will be powerful enough to play pretty much any PC game at 1080p in total there are four rise 8000g series products that have been announced so far and while we'll be looking at the 8700g today also have the ryzen 58600 G and we'll take a look at that model in the coming days now the 8700g packs eight cores with 16 threads it is built using a 4 nanm process and the cores are based on the zen4 architecture but because this is a monolithic design that also has to incorporate a reasonably large GPU stuff like cash capacity has been reduced when compared to the standard ryzen 7000 series processors for example the 8700g packs a 16 MB L3 cache with 8 8 megab of L2 whereas the ryzon 77700 is armed with a much larger 32 MB L3 cache though the L2 capacity is the same at 8 mbes now whereas the 7700 packs an rdna2 GPU with just two cus and a boost clock of 2.2 GHz the 8700g is armed with the radon 780m and that's a 12C rdna 3 GPU that clocks as high as 2.9 GHz so you can expect a lot more from this igpu however whereas the 7700 packs 28 Lanes of PCI 5.0 four of which are reserved for connected to the chip set the 8700g packs just 20 lanes in total and they're of the PCI 4.0 variety and this means there are a maximum of eight PCI 4.0 lanes for the primary PCI slot so the graphics card whereas the 7700 has 16 pciu 5.0 lanes for the graphics card then last ly the 8700g includes ryzen AI the world's first dedicated AI engine on a desktop processor using amd's xdna architecture clocked at 1.6 GHz this is a dedicated AI engine that's separate to the CPU and GPU cores that we've just looked at you could call it an npu a neural Processing Unit how useful you'll find this feature at this point in time is hard to say and with gaming being our primary focus here at Harbor unboxed we won't be getting into the AI benchmarks just yet moreover anyone who is actually interested in AI on a desktop computer would surely purchase a discrete GPU as they're much more powerful for AI workloads now for testing we've used the Asus Rog stricks b650 a gaming Wi-Fi motherboard with beta bios 2263 then for the memory we've gone with a 32 GB ddr5 6400 cell 32 kit from G school it's their Trident Z5 Neo memory and the fclk has been manually set to 2,400 MHz as there is an issue with the latest beta boss not setting this parameter correctly automatically but this will be fixed for the public release okay let's see what the 8700g can do we'll start with some basic application benchmarks and first up is cinebench with the single core test here the 8700g scores 111 points making it 21% faster than the 5700 G and just 5% slower than the 7700 though it was 15% slower than the 14700 k then when measuring multi-core performance we find the 8700g is comparable to that of the 7700 which makes sense they're both 8 core 16 thread zen4 processors and stuff like cache capacity and memory performance only plays a very small role for this test then when compared to the older 5700 G it's 37% faster and then a massive 44% increase over the cor I 3 1200f which will prove to be a more relevant comparison as we work our way through the gaming benchmarks next we have szip file manager compression and here the 8700g is 40% faster than the 5700 G and just 13% slower than the ryzen 77700 then for decompression it's just 8% FAS than the 5700 G and 12% slower than the 7700 when it comes to photoshop performance we're looking at a 34% improvement over the 5700 G so a pretty big uplift there meanwhile the 8700g was just 6% slower than the 7700 now it's worth noting that the 1200f doesn't have an igpu so for these application benchmarks it's been paired with the radon RX 6600 and fun fact the core I3 plus radon GPU combo costs slightly less than that of the 8700g and that's an issue for amd's new Apu and premere as this application uses GPU acceleration and as a result the more affordable core I3 plus RX 6600 combo is 86% faster okay time to look at gaming performance and of course we're starting with the integrated Graphics results because this is potentially what makes the 8700g special for all of this testing we're focusing on 1080p lowquality gaming because well this is integrated Graphics after all and first up is Boulders Gate 3 and the 8700g was good for 49 FPS on average which is impressive compared to the likes of the 5700 G and then standard processors such as the core I74 700k and ryzen 77700 when compared to amd's previous 8 core Apu the 8700g is 145% faster that's obviously a very big performance uplift but more than that it's the difference between being unplayable and playable next up we have Counter Strike 2 which is possible to play using an igpu the 5700 G for example is good for 61 FPS on average though the 1% lows aren't great the 8700g though is 95% faster when comparing the average frame rate and with 119 FPS on average the game is very playable maybe not competitively but still it is playable and it's a similar story with fortnite when compared to the 5700 G the 8700g is offering 78% more performance averaging an impressive 132 FPS the game ran surprisingly well again this isn't really good enough for comp itive Gamers but for those playing more casually it will work well as you'd expect more demanding games such as cyberpunk 2077 Phantom Liberty they're a bit of a stretch but with 41 FPS on average and 1% lows of 30 FPS the game is certainly playable and that's a lot more than you can say for parts like the 5700 G F1 2023 ran really well with the 8700g pumping out 125 FPS on average that's a massive improvement from the 5700 G in fact it's a and 23% uplift it's also a world of difference when compared to the 14700 K and 7700 we're seeing the same thing in Spider-Man remastered the 8700g is able to deliver a smooth playable experience with 68 FPS on average making it more than twice as fast as the 5700 G which rendered just 32 FPS on average like cyberpunk 277 Ratchet and Clank rifter part is a bit much even for the 8700g well at least for 60 FPS gaming for those of you happy with 30 FPS it works and I guess that's more than you can say for the 5700 G and really anything slower which is basically everything else finally we have Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3 and here the 8700g can pump out over 60 FPS averaging 74 FPS and that's an incredible improvement over the 5700 G rendering three times more frames and more crucially allowing Gamers to actually play the game using an igpu now before we move on to some discret GPU benchmarks let's take a quick look at memory scaling performance for testing we use DDR 56400 memory at a 1:1 ratio using a 2400 MHz fclk but this isn't necessarily the most optimal configuration though AMD does claim that all CPUs will be capable of achieving the specification that said AMD also notes that most CPUs will achieve ddr5 7200 using a 1 to2 ratio and this can be beneficial that's because memory bandwidth is crucial when it comes to igpu Performance so the rules here a bit different to that of the ryzen 7000 series where you typically prioritize latency also because the 8000 series apus use a monolithic die they will default to a higher clocked fclk this is because we're moving away from the chiplet approach there's no need for a GMI or Global memory interconnect so whereas the 7,000 series will try and default to 2 MHz the 8000 series apus will try and default to 2400 MHz so with all of that in mind we're going to run a few different memory configurations including a 1 to2 configuration using DDR 57200 starting with fortnite we find when using DDR 57200 memory that boosts performance by a further 4% not exactly Earth shattering but it is extra performance it's also worth noting that the official memory spec for the 8700 G is actually DDR 55200 and using 5200 spec memory saw performance decline by 15% moving on to F1 2023 we find this title is less memory sensitive only gaining an additional 2% performance when using DDR 57200 or losing 8% with DDR 55200 and then we have Spider-Man remaster which shows us that DDR 57200 isn't always going to be faster as in this example Performance did decline dropping a frame when compared to the 6400 configuration ER ation we also saw a rather large 22% reduction of performance when using the official 5200 memory spec Okay so we've just seen how the 8700g and its integrated graphics compared to other processors with igpus but how does it compare to a really bad discreete graphics card like the steaming pile that is the 6500 XT well we're about to find out and keep in mind the 6500 XT currently costs $140 us the 8700g is comparable to the 65 500 XT using PCI 3.0 with something like the 5700 G in Boulders Gate 3 it's quite incredible just how poorly the 6500 XT performs with the 5700 G in this title using the lowquality preset at 1080p but if you pair the 6500 XT with a PCI 4.0 enabled system it is around 45% faster in fact we see that when pairing it with the 8700g that said it's around 70% faster when pair with the ryzen 7 7700 simply because that is a faster processor so that's less than ideal for the 8700g The Counter Strike 2 results are also quite brutal as here the 5700 G armed with the 6500 XT is more than twice as fast as the 8700 G's integrated graphics and that's bad because the 5700 G plus the 6500 XT costs less than just the 8700g and we'll talk more about that a bit later on testing in fortnite shows the 6500 XT to be at least 58% faster than the 8700g and up to 74% faster when paired with something like the ryzen 77700 or core i 74700 k and remember the 6500 XT is a really really bad graphics card I can't stress that enough it is awful the cyberp punk 2077 Phantom liberity results are quite shocking as they highlight just how bad the 6500 XT is if I haven't already done that myself using PCI Express 3.0 with the 5700 G we're looking at 33 FPS on average making the discret GPU slower than the IG GPU of the 8700g then if we enable PCI 4.0 the 6500 XT is able to Edge out the 8700 G's igpu so weak performance all around really we're seeing a similar thing in F1 2023 the IG GPU of the 8700g is able to beat the 6 500 XT when you limit the rad on GPU to PCI 3.0 with something like a 5700 G but when paired with the core I3 at 1200f it's aere 8% faster though we are a bit CPU limited here as the ryzen 77700 is showing up to a 34% increase the Spider-Man remaster results are interesting again we see that PCI Express 3.0 cripples the 6500 XT limiting it to just 46 FPS on average when paired with the 57 00g then interestingly the 8700g delivered the same performance using either its igpu or the 6500 XT in fact performance was slightly better with the igpu in in fact it wasn't until we paired the 6500 XT with a highend desktop CPU that it was able to pull ahead of the 8700s igpu Ratchet and Clank Rift apart also saw the 6500 XT fall in a heap when using PCI 3.0 rendering just 30 FPS average with the 5700 G even when using PCI 4.0 it was only slightly faster than the 8700 G's igpu finally for the last of the 6500 XT results I promise this is all the 6500 XT testing we're going to put looking at we have Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3 and here the 8700g is able to match the 6500 XT when paired with most processors the 14700 K results don't really make sense here as it shouldn't be that much faster than the ryzen 77700 so I suspect this is one of those resizable bar issues that we occasionally come across but that would require further investigation to confirm and really it's not important for this content despite being quite interesting okay enough messing around now it's time to see what you can do for around $330 us so the price of an 8700g for example you could buy something like a core I 312 100f they're about $100 and then pair that with a $200 radon rx6 600 and doing so will that provide you with a better gaming experience well let's go find out for testing I've included a few GPU configurations one of which features the 7900 XTX to see just how fast these CPUs really are as you can see when maxed out the 8700g is 177% faster than the 1200f or 35% faster when comparing 1% lows so technically it is the better gaming CPU but really no shocker there it should be it costs three times more but the problem for the 8700g and the reason why it ultimately makes no sense for gaming is this the core I3 1200f paired with a radon RX 6600 a combo that's 127% faster in Boulders Gate 3 and this is certainly a best case scenario for the Apu if we were to turn up the quality settings the RX 6600 would still render over 60 FPS while the 8700g would essentially be choked to death next up we have Counter Strike 2 and using the 7900 XTX we see the 8700g is 30% more powerful than the core I3 in this title but if we compare $300 combinations we see the core I3 12100 f/ RX 6600 combo is 113% faster and fast enough for competitive gameplay we're looking at much the same in fortnite again the 8700g is 30% faster than the core I3 when paired with the 7900 XTX but if we compare its igpu performance to the RX 6600 combo we find the core I3 is an eye watering 182% faster rendering 372 FPS compared to 132 FPS cyberpunk 2077 Phantom Liberty is a more GPU limited title when compared to say fortnite and Counter Strike even when using the lowquality preset and as a result the 8700g was 19% faster than the core I3 when pairing both processors with the 7900 XTX but if we compare the $300 combos so the core I3 with the radon GPU it's offering 124% more performance rendering 92 FPS on average oppos just 41 FPS the core I3 1200f performs very well in F1 2023 allowing for 333 fps to be rendered when using the 7900 XTX making the 8700g a mere 7% faster then once again we find the core I3 plus RX 6600 Slaughters the 8700g and its igpu providing an additional 154% performance with r tracing disabled Spider-Man remastered it's not a very CPU nting game and as a result the core I3 1200f is able to match the 8700g when paired with a highend GPU such as the 7900 XTX then when compared to the core I3 with the RX 6600 we find that it's 113% faster than the 8700g and it's igpu and the core I3 combo actually costs a bit less Ratchet and Clank Rift part also isn't a very CPU demanding game so the core I3 is able to match the 8700g when armed with a highend GPU then once again we find that for those of you who have around $300 to spend on your CPU and GPU combo the 8700g simply doesn't make sense as the core I3 RX 6600 combo is 141% faster and with 94 FPS on average enables a significantly more enjoyable gaming experience finally we have the cool of Duty Modern Warfare 3 results and in this example the 8700g is 56% faster than the 1200f when paired with the 7900 XTX but if we compare the $300 budget combos the core I3 still wins delivering more than twice as much performance with 154 FPS on average so in short if you're spending $330 on your CPU for gaming 3700g it's just not a good option the ryzen 77700 was on average 26% faster than our testing when using the 7900 XTX admittedly we are using lowquality settings for continuity across a range of the tests done for this video but even with ultra settings using stuff like Raad tracing the larger L3 cash buffer of the 7700 will see it deliver better gaming performance finally here's a quick look at power consumption at idle the 8700g system consumed 41 Watts then under a single core load total system draw hit 79 watts and for an all core workload it went as high as 131 Watts as for gaming in Spider-Man we saw a total system load of 148 wats so needless to say this is a very low powerered combo so there you have it amd's new ryzen7 8700g and I've got to admit I'm still not entirely sure who the world's most powerful integrated Graphics desktop processor thingers for or at least who this makes sense for it's not exactly cheap at $330 us and at that price it's not the best value combination of CPU and GPU Hardware I mean sure it is in a single package what the 8700g delivers as an all-in-one solution is certainly impressive but unless for some reason you require your desktop CPU and GPU integrated into a single solution it just doesn't make sense for Ultra Mini PCS this processor will certainly enable Next Level performance but beyond that extremely Niche use case I don't really get it this certainly isn't a mainstream part simply because there are better alternatives for example if you're after strong CPU performance for gaming the 7800 X 3D will be much faster for a small $70 premium or as we saw when using the 17900 xdx the ryzen 77700 is significantly faster for the same price so what sort of us case does the 8700g make sense for if it's just general computing then the 8700g is overkill in my opinion and if it's gaming well as we've just discovered there are significantly better Hardware combinations for the same price or even less such as the core I 3200f and radon RX 6600 which regularly delivered well over twice as much gaming performance the core 3200f combo was better for video production work as well given how heavily GPU accelerated those workloads are now so while the 8700g is certainly a technically impressive product at $330 us it's not going to make sense for the vast majority of consumers and of course our focus is on gaming and I can confidently say without a shadow of a doubt that the 8700g is not a good investment for gaming but for those of you who want to jump on the am5 platform just get yourself a ryzen 57600 for $230 and pair that with a radon RX 6600 or something better for a starting price of $430 us your experience there is going to be world's better it's a 30% premium for what will typically be over 150% greater performance and there's not much more to say really the idea of a gaming Apu for Budget users it always sounds great but in practice they're just never fast enough and cheaper discret combos always deliver significantly better performance and I really don't expect this will change anytime soon and that is going to do it for this one if you like the video you know what to do subscribe for more content we will have a look at the uh 8600 G the ryzen 5 model and see how that goes and yeah see what other models we can get our hands on but yeah I think as you go down the uh stack the igpu becomes less powerful so although they become cheaper they're not as good as what we see here anyway as I said we'll explore that in future content so make sure you are subscribed if you're interested in more APO action and of course just all the other content we do here at har unboxed also we have float plane patreon sign up to either one of those things we'll give you access to some cool perks we have a monthly live stream Discord server behind the scenes uh content Q&A stuff lot of cool things there check 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Length: 24min 8sec (1448 seconds)

Published: Mon Jan 29 2024