AMD failed to mention this... - AMD Ryzen 8000G Series

in our look at amd's ryzen 8000g series processors we are going to be laser focused on the two SKS that AMD actually wants anybody talking about the 8700g and the 8600 G and the reason for that is the other ones are are really a lot less exciting AMD didn't mention this to me when we covered these chips at their announcement at CES this year but the two lower-end chips not only use zen4 C cores the more compact ones they also have fewer pcie Lanes which could be a problem for the future expandability of your system if you kind of see our conclusion on these chips you're going to see why we think is a pretty big problem for now though let's focus on the 8600 G and 8700g they come packaged about like you'd expect from AMD got your little sticker in there and as with any of their am5 socket processors there are no pins on the back instead it uses an LGA or pad style mounting mechanism with the pins being inside the CPU socket they don't come with much in the way of accessories but unlike amd's X Series chips they do at least come with a cooler it's a simple aluminum heat sink with what appears to be a 92 mm fan of course if you step up to the ryzen 7 variant you get a simple aluminum heat sink with a 90 mm fan but taller which it doesn't need to be its height was fine as it was the way before no in all seriousness uh being taller is better in this case more uh heat dissipation in all seriousness the main claim to fame of these chips is not that they have better CPU performance they use the same Zen 4 or in the case of the lower-end ones Zen 4C chips that we've seen in amd's previous processors but they are a new model year so they get a new number because that's apparently how AMD does things now and they have onboard Graphics that is now on par with what AMD has been shipping in their Mobile Solutions so just like we've seen in Mobile consoles like the Rog Ally and the Lenovo Legion go we can run AAA games okay not high details 120 FPS but 1080p low 30 to 60 FPS does that seem realistic maybe even a little faster because we're running in a desktop form factor now which means we can unlock a little bit more power budget although my understanding is that most of this has gone to enabling higher basee clocks on the CPU portion of the chip rather than the GPU though it should be noted that only the 8700g actually gets the higher base clocks the 8600 G is on par with its mobile equivalent I've got a bunch of benchmarks from the labs team which we will take a look at very soon because AMD claims that these things are in a similar performance class as an Intel CPU paired with a dedicated Nvidia GPU at around the same price which is a pretty bold claim indeed but before I do that I have to boldly tell you about our sponsor charge get ready to chill with the ice mag the coolest power bank on the Block pun intended its active cooling system means saying goodbye to wireless charging that gets too hot not only does it keep your devic is charged but its cool 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upgrader right like I think of every PC as a PC of thesis so if there's something that I'm going to be able to add to over time having Zen 4 cores having a more modern platform that's something that's going to appeal to me a lot immediately I'm noticing that loading times are about what I would expect for a modern platform which makes sense you get anywhere from 6 to eight Zen 4 cores with the two chips we're looking at today and golly G whizzers I don't have an FPS counter up but this is cyberpunk 2077 running at 1080p low and if I had to guess I'd say this is running it anywhere from 30 to 40 frames per second maybe even 40 45 that is super cool how about this cop look at that I won the power of AMD compels me now obviously AMD is being a little bit optimistic in their marketing materials for these chips I mean when they say 60 FPS they mean with FSR they're upscaling technology but if you can get 30 without upscaling technology you will be experiencing cyberpunk gosh darn it and without a GPU all those years ago AMD was all AMD Fusion man we're going to put CPUs with gpus in the same chip man it's going to be so cool and here we are what 10 11 years later and they're finally doing it and there's even even workloads that really will take advantage of both of those elements of the chip okay we didn't really test cin bench with the GPU but we could have and this really highlights what I was mentioning before about how much better it is to have a modern platform with modern course compared to going am4 ryzen 55600 G Falls way behind these chips also in blender they put up very competitive CPU numbers within particular the 8700g outclassing anything else in this kind of price range if on the Intel side you had to account for that you need a dedicated GPU because they do not have anything even near this kind of performance in onboard graphics and as for szip it's pretty much the same story these are powerful CPUs with really decent gpus on them and some workloads like stable diffusion will make a lot of sense to run on the GPU actually for that matter they could make sense to run on the AI course but much like amd's promises 10 years ago with Fusion we haven't seen too many consumer applications for these AI cores just yet we're just kind of hoping that by the time we would use them every day this chip is not completely irrelevant oh what were the cyberpunk numbers I never actually confirmed pretty close oh man I'm good 46 37 FPS 1% lows average 46 dang I don't even need frame view man if we move on to something like rocket League I mean this is 100 FPS easy and it's not just the smoothness of the animations a big part of what makes higher frame rates feel better is that there's less latency so I can really feel that my inputs are being registered on the screen much more quickly having a look at the rest of our results it's clear that whether you choose the 8700g or the 8600 G no you're not going to be on par necessarily with an entrylevel GeForce card but what you will be is able to game now with the potential to upgrade to a real graphics card in the future like one that comes on a card while still retaining these high performance zen4 CPU cores is this going to be the right path for everybody no I don't think so at all if you are looking for the absolute best bang for your buck I'm always going to advocate for going for what gives you the most FPS per dollar today and a lot of the times that's going to be something that's not going to have as much of an upgrade path or it's going to be something that comes second hand in terms of something that could be reasonably future proof I love this as much as I did when AMD first announced it finally something for the entry level Gamers out there a viable option that isn't just well why don't you buy our old stuff which isn't to say that I don't have some annoyances with AMD about this launch one of the things they glossed over when they did my briefing was the number of pcie lanes on these chips the 86 and 8700g do not have enough pcie connectivity to connect a graphics card at the full by6 link width so you're limited to a buy eight link to your GPU with pcie being as fast as it is these days it's probably not going to impact things too much unless you were putting a much older GPU on it which you wouldn't cuz it has a powerful GPU in it already but especially on the lower-end chips where they only get a buy4 link to a GPU they're really shooting themselves in the foot If part of the value of these chips is supposed to be that PC of thesias upgrade story because I would not want to use a by4 link to my GPU unless I was on a laptop using fun bolt or something like that so still room for improvement but overall I'm happy to have an entry-level desktop option cuz it just hasn't made sense to me for so long that they have these great integrated gpus on mobile but we have to slum it on the desktop with these super cut down versions if you guys enjoyed this 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Length: 9min 55sec (595 seconds)

Published: Wed Feb 07 2024