Matthew McConaughey In Conversation With Sadhguru {Full Talk}

i'm scared i'm good morning matthew good morning uh i'm good man where are you where do you find yourself uh right now i'm uh somewhere in the southwestern corner of georgia just about to enter florida maybe burns wick somewhere around that all right well i'm in austin texas oh that's good an hour ahead of me yeah but you look at my background it looks like i'm in uh amazon forest huh yeah man i knew you're somewhere where's fertile and a bit youngly yeah uh you going around on the book tour yes uh meeting people talking doing a little bit of uh you know meeting people that's it no major events no major events because uh pandemic no assemblies but just individual people that's uh my last year uh i wrote a book green light to put it out and i did it all virtual it was all this uh for you know for a year i there were some people that i miss being there in person yeah but i must say that in a lot of ways this way of communicating is it's very intentional i mean because i could be i could be i was in you know uh milan italy at 9 00 am in london england at 10 new york at 11 l.a at 12 and when the elephant what's that what jet do you use this jet that's what i mean and i was like look i was in i was all over the world and i was done at one o'clock in 30 seconds when i was done i was having lunch with my kids i was like this system's okay i kind of like this in ways i think i've in 2020 probably i've done four times more work than i would normally do traveling yep it's silly still finding time to get on your motorcycle oh yes but right now this this trip i'm driving a truck with a small camper so not entering any hotels or homes just living on the truck cooking for myself and managing things i'm in uh i've got four airstreams um and i'm in one of them now in my backyard and this is where this is the what i take on the road right here okay particular airstream yeah i got something that can go off-road a little small not very i mean that way it's not big as airstream but this will go where you want nice nice um well cool man i'm glad we're gonna get to talk for a little while say howdy i'm glad to find glad to meet you i got a friend of mine uh uh mark benioff who's turned me on to you avid listener of yours uh how's mark he's in a way out in california no no he's he's over further west hawaii yeah hawaii that's what i asked he told me last time he was in hawaii yeah yes um he's doing good he's wanting to turn me on to you um thank you yeah um let me uh i'd love to ask you a few questions we'll get some conversations about all this good stuff you know you're opening on karma and this week we could spend hours talking about this because i this is this is my juice here when we say like lift the haze of the contradictions let's talk about some haze lifting on the contradiction um one of there's a symbol to me that has meant a lot to me it comes from the bible matthew 6 22 it's the mandola and it's saying that and even you know ralph waldo emerson talks about it we talk about future and past we talk about heaven and hell we talk about good and evil when we see these contradictions that butt each other and the mandarala covers itself and is the third eye in the middle and says that that spot is the spot of paradox that that spot is where all the truth lies that's where all the colors of the truth lies it's not a a a contradictory shade of gray and compromise it's actually where all the good stuff is um paradox has been very helpful for me in understanding and having a high eye a third eye and not being so dualistic um let's talk about that a little bit can you can you jump on that yes uh matthew the what is contradictory is essentially uh in the psychological space of the human being in reality existentially nothing is contradictory everything is complementary to everything else is the day contradictory to the night no it is complimentary if it was all day you wouldn't know what is night if it's all night you wouldn't know what is day so essentially human perception itself because it is through five sense organs it can only always perceive only a part of it see if i show you this part of my hand you cannot see this part if i see the if you see this you cannot see this this is the nature of all our perception all the five senses are able to perceive only with the context otherwise they cannot so because of that because we are fed with this kind of part information our mind tends to think that everything is contradictory to everything else man is contradictory to women night is contradictory today light is contradictory to darkness no they're all complementary to each other it is just that because our perception is so fragmented five sense organs are made that way these sense organs are only good for survival process if you want to know they are no good they are only good to help you to survive on this planet that you can do by perceiving things clearly through your sense perception if you want to know life the way it is if you want to know this phenomena of life the way it is you have to go beyond your sense perception in a way the entire yogic science is all about this even the karma that we are talking about is all about this because all the karmic inputs are in this sense bits and pieces of information out of which we are trying to make something this is like a child starting to let us say we give him a million piece uh jigsaw he puts four pieces together and says here i got it this is a bear all right but there are a million other pieces that you have never seen so looking at life in pieces through keyhole visions makes everything look like one is against the other but in existentially nothing against anything else because as we sit here see that is your body this is my body this is my mind that is your mind what you call as my body what i call as my body is what i have accumulated is my body what you have accumulated is your body what i have accumulated in impressions is my mind what you have accumulated impressions is your mind but there is no such thing as my life and your life this is a living cosmos you have gathered a little bit i have gathered a little bit we are enjoying that the privilege of creation is the magnanimity of creation is that though we are really nothing in this existence it is given as an individual experience which is a tremendous tremendous privilege unfortunately human beings are not able to appreciate or understand this privilege though you are not even a speck of dust in this cosmos you have an individual experience you can look at it from your own and as if you are a whole universe yourself but if you take this individuality too seriously everything will be contradictory once it's contradictory as you get more invested in these contradictions conflict is a natural outcome you know yes heard you know you said uh in your book destiny is what you create for yourself fate is when you fail to create your own destiny i've i am a believer in responsibility you i heard that you don't drive through the red lights [Laughter] i've run a few lights all right but i but again i say you know if for people that say oh it's all fake then i might i always like i i half jokingly say okay then run all the red lights see what happens i mean i believe that uh the prime mover or god whatever or our life that wants our hands on the wheel uh saying we are self-determining creatures don't just take the hands off and just completely inshallah the whole the the whole uh existence of going through the world um so there's a responsibility and fate i think and there's a the fate of responsibility and that's what is that sort of what that line's saying destiny is what you create for yourself fate is when you fail to create your own destiny that would be there's a fate over fate is a fact in waiting faith is uh uh fate is a destiny unattended you did not attend you did not attend to certain aspects of your life so they will go by the tendencies that exist within you or by the social situations that are happening around you so if you allow outside situations to simply happen the way they happen largely it will happen to all of us reasonably the same way if you're living in the same place but destiny means you take charge of it and though many times we may not be able to change all the physical situations around us still we can change the way we experience it nobody can stop us from that what is your life is essentially the way you experience it what is your life is not in terms of what you have around you what your life really is is the way you experience it and the way you experience it or whichever way you experience it happens within you what happens within you if you don't take charge of that i think it's a wasted life outside situations not always governed by us there are many too many forces around us everything is not determined by us what we have outside right now we were talking about technology well uh if you and me existed 500 years ago a thousand years ago what we could do would have been very different so what we are doing now let us not take too much pride in what we are doing right now because this is a consequence of the times in which we exist if we did exist here at 10 000 years ago i don't know if you would have found a cave in austin i would have found in india so yeah yes would have been somewhere else doing it some other way yeah so what we are doing is a consequence of times but how we experience it is entirely ours a caveman also there were cavemen or game of women who are joyful and miserable today in 21st century with all the conveniences there are joyful and miserable people still all right so it is the way you experience is determined by you not by the situations around you heard thank you um you say this line i i i love the uh you've been reading the book i haven't read it yet i've been trying to open it it never happened well you haven't read your book you don't need to you wrote it you know i just i actually just got this two days ago i have not had time to read the whole thing but i've gone through it and seen some nuggets that felt like lyrics that i like oh i like that song oh oh i okay okay i hear that and here here's here's one of those um karma is about shifting responsibility from heaven to yourself in this you become the maker of your own destiny now you just you just talked on that but i want to bring up an idea that something and my my pastor tells me i'm pushing a big rock up a tall steep hill with this idea i've got but as a ma as a as a person who likes to play with words i do as well i believe that we should be i'm trying to redefine the word selfish that being more selfish uh is the if it's a is actually being more selfless that being more self-less is actually being more selfish that we are um we have greater gratification we have greater joy we have greater gifts the more selfish we are the more individualistic now i know that can go out of hand and i don't mean when it's at the expense i don't mean selfish at the expense of excluding a lot of people or making contradictions but i'm trying to redefine the word selfish let me redefine the selfish for you say uh there is nothing here in your experience without involving yourself so you do not know life without yourself only because you exist there is life if you did not exist what do you know about life there is simply no possibility so selflessness is just an idea a futile idea the only way you can exist here is selfish the question is like this for somebody selfishness means it's all about themselves as an individual for somebody else it's for him and his family for someone else it's him and his community for someone else's selfishness for him and his race or religion or nationality i'm saying why are you stingy about your selfishness why don't you be absolutely selfish why don't you make your selfishness cosmic at least global what what is it selfishness means i want to be well i don't care what your what's happening to you why don't you make your selfishness like this i want every creature on this planet to be really well and once you have set this course for yourself it's not that you're going to solve all the problems at least you'll be doing your best and this is all a human being can do that the question is only about are you doing everything that you can do or not because in our lives if we do not do what we cannot do there is no problem in our lives if we do not do what we can do we are a disaster so my express mission is to see that every human being is doing everything that they can do with a sense of inclusiveness selfishness is the only way you can be inclusive what does selfless mean what does selfless mean you'll stop breathing is it i'm saying it's just an idea which has never happened it is just a foolish idea there is no such thing as selfless because the very basis of your experience is self yes yes yes question is is your selfishness inclusive or exclusive that's all voila don't be stingy with yourself no don't be stingy with selfishness at least with selfishness be generous [Laughter] yes um you know you obviously have a great sense of humor um i've i've found that sense of humor if it is something that one has been a great tool for sometimes unlocking those contradictions for me for me and other people um but often it's seen i'm one of those person that that will laugh while the quote-unquote wound is still a little bit too fresh you know what i mean i'm like well no it's already happened so let's start laughing at it now and i'm still going to be responsible and try and fix the problem but can we do this while we giggle through fixing the problem um and some people that turns off because they go wait it's too early to laugh you can't laugh you can't it's too early we need to be serious about this thing i'm going no i'm still going to do the work can we just can we laugh while we fix the problem or or make fun to find a way to to agree on something whether it's politically you have you have a right to cry only when you just dropped out of your mother's womb that's the only time you have a right to cry after that you should be laughing all right and now about when the wound is too fresh see let me tell you this see as i said already all the external situations our life situations will not ever happen 100 the way we want doesn't matter small situations big situations as your involvement grows in the world you will see more and more things will not happen the way you want so what happens in the world we must understand it's a reality which involves many many forces we are also one little force in that so we can push it we can use our skills we can use our intelligence we can use our influence and push that piece as far as we can but there are too many pieces it will never happen 100 your way or anybody's way and i'm glad it is so because if it all happened your way where the hell do i go a little bit your way a little bit my way a little bit somebody's way this is the way world is but now you're talking about wound wound happens within you so this one space which you call as myself must happen 100 your way if this is happening 100 your way you will just see that what a joke it is everything that happens around you and how ridiculously it can happen so when you see this it's not that you have to have a sense of humor laughter is inevitable when you're laughing within yourself maybe words also come that way i never thought i have a sense of humor these days people are telling me said guru you have such a sense of humor oh i thought oh is that so it's just that all the humors in my body are working well that's all [Laughter] let me tell you this this happened shankar and pillai once uh had a franchise for radio shack i think radio shack has closed down now if i'm right is it closed down or still on i think they did no i think they did okay i think you're correct so he used to have a franchisee ship for a radio shack so one day he ordered a particular component looking at the catalog he saw it is uh he wanted a component which is 669 number he ordered and the component arrived after a few days he looked at it and they had sent the wrong number it was uh nine double six they had sent he said he wrote back to them and furious you sent the wrong part they said just turn it around and see most of the time life is just that you're seeing it one way and freaking turn it around and see you laugh the laugh with the whole thing just flip it over yes ah or say it back to front what makes sense the foot's on the other shoe um in my uh in writing my book i noticed ways that i got what i wanted in life ways i got what i was seeking and i was very clear even going into writing about oh there have been many things where i've engineered the success but i have set the goal that i that i that i said where i wanted to go and went to it and and attained it as a traveler okay set goals and go get them but i was surprised at how many times that i've found and got what i wanted uh or succeeded when i was looking for what i did not know what the hell i was looking for when i was like i'm going to go seek it those are the best times they're awesome the one-way tickets you know with no return ticket to go on a walkabout going i don't know what i'm you don't do walkabout in america you need to go to australia to do walkabout i've done the walkabout in australia i've done a walk about in mali africa in peru the fuga mundi um and those times i got what i needed i got i i i but i didn't know what i was looking for i just put myself in a position to get rid of all the frequencies that i was having in my western world my busy life i wanted to go someplace where nobody knew my name where i didn't speak the language where time was going to run way too slow for me until i got on time and then all of a sudden realize that oh i feel the rhythms of this place i'm enjoying my own company because those trips for me the first 12 days i do not enjoy my own company oh you do not enjoy your own company that means you're in bad company obviously well it takes 12 days but i but i i think there's a value if you don't enjoy your own company to go oh that's why i need to spend more time with myself and so we can work it out because i'm the one person that i can't get rid of so let's work this stuff out and but after about 12 days on around the 16th day i around the 12th day i have a breakthrough where i'm like okay i've shaken off my demons i've pulled off my talismans i'm i'm i'm a naked child and that's when all of a sudden an answer comes and i'm light and i've shed certain guilt and i and i'm present much and i'm not looking around the bend to see what's coming i'm not looking over my shoulder to judge where i've been but i guess my point is we're all sometimes we don't we don't know what we're looking for but we go find it you talk about seeking the unknown but to put our pur put ourselves in a place do you think there's a value about put yourself in a place you can hear it put yourself in a place so you can receive it see people keep coming to me and say satguru please bless me this should happen that should happen uh i tell them see my blessing is may all your dreams not come true they get shocked i said since grew why say see what can you dream of right now i don't know what you're drinking suppose it's coffee if you have had one cup of coffee maybe you will dream of a barrel of coffee if you have a million dollars maybe you'll think of a billion dollars i'm saying all your dreams are just exaggerations of what you already know if you go like this you're ensuring that nothing new ever happens to you so my blessing is may your dreams not come true may things that you could never dream of happen to you if you have to be an open possibility like this it's very important that we understand that is why karma is important karma means it's the bedrock of your memory it's a bedrock of your memory means who you are right now as a person matthew as a person as a physical person as a mental person as an emotional person and even as an energetic person it is a certain volume of memory here there's evolutionary memory there is genetic memory there's articulation in articulate well unconscious subconscious and conscious memories all this memory put together an amalgamation of this is one person called matthew similarly every other person so now do you want to stand on the stage of this memory let's say we see this memory like a platform if you stand upon this the richness of your life plays out and you can do your today's dance on that stage but if you sink into it it becomes like a quicksand and past just takes away people see most human beings just see what is it that they are suffering in their life they are suffering what happened 10 years ago now sitting here and they're already suffering what may happen day after tomorrow essentially they're not even connected with life they're mistaking their psychological space as existential they are suffering two most incredible qualities that only human beings possess on this planet which is a vivid sense of memory and a fantastic sense of imagination unfortunately most human beings are suffering this essentially they're suffering evolutionary process they're they're just saying if i was an earthworm i would be more peaceful yes earthworm is a fantastic creature it is very eco-friendly all that is fine but the possibility is limited the significance of being human ease the possibilities are unlimited possibilities are immense this is why we are on top of the evolutionary pile when i say on top of every evolutionary pile of all these millions of creatures which are there on this planet well we are trying to reduce their numbers unfortunately but of all these millions of creatures in terms of evolution in terms of our neurological capabilities perception and assimilation of what we perceive we are on top of the world but most human beings are not feeling on top of the world because they are sinking into the platform of their memory this vast memory is a tremendous thing see otherwise today i'm just saying see here i'm sitting there is an evolutionary memory in me which tells every cell in the body clearly speaks this is a human being suppose i got fancy for dog food and started eating dog food for three days will i become a dog no there is evolutionary memory within me which will never allow anything like that to happen now i am here in united states let's say i eat only american food will i become an american person will my color change will my everything change no because there is genetic memory in me so who you are who i am is essentially memory the question is will you stand upon this platform and do your act or will you sink into it and die this is all the choice you have boom yes yes you say i hope your dreams don't all come true i love that don't say that don't tell everybody they will curse me but tell me here's what i hear when you say that we're such a result-oriented people and culture i got to have my my result and when we if i just get to the top of that summit i'll i'll have the tada moment and we get to top the summit we see it's a false summit there's there's millions of more summits on the other side you keep climbing and there's another one there's not a tada moment where we go ah i've got it all figured out i think we also we get caught up so often in short-term gains and short-term return choices that give us short-term return on our own investment us and we don't we're not making choices that are that are going to buy us delayed gratification not only longer in this life but after we're gone for our kids and their grandkids and our great-great-grandkids um so it's all a process is is is what i'm hearing from that and what the how i'm choosing to take that line it's all a process enjoy the process you do not ever get there that's the point that keeps you the game because if you got there the game's over see the finish line everybody's interested too much in finish line especially in the western world they think finish line is everything if you're so interested in the finish line do you understand what is the finish line for life you want to cross it quickly is it it's ridiculous everybody wants to live so living here means that now you're breathing and here this is living so if you're too much interested in the finish line then you will cross it soon that is you will cross it when you're alive because so many people are living as if they are dead they do everything except for a few needs that they have a whole lot of people are dead to all other possibilities of life in yoga there is a very good kind of a saying which says if you have one eye on the goal you will have only one eye to find your way which is very inefficient so you are rendering yourself incapable of life simply because you want to get somewhere where do you want to get some imagined place where is that place it is just an exaggeration of the past you've already experienced because you cannot imagine something that you have never seen you cannot imagine something for which there is no data because your mind essentially functions from the data that you have gathered which is essentially your past so you want to repeat your past and then wondering why life is so boring heard heard yes repeat offenders reciprocity going in circles i hear you i've done it before um you said yoga means union definition yoga right well the the root word of religion comes from legare and ri and legare means to bind together and re means again to bind together again the prescriptive definition of religion yoga means union those are somewhat synonymous um is that fair to say yoga and religion would be uh a synonymous uh definition as well or at least in its sense it would be but not in its present form of practice both i'm saying the way yoga is practiced in america is not synonymous of union the way religion is practiced largely religion uh maybe they are same but unfortunately the way it is practiced is very different but why yoga is simply because this is not based on belief system it is based on your experience at least you know where the hell you're going with belief system you just believe you're going in a certain way which gives you a certain psychological comfort it gives you solace so essentially the choice is this are you seeking solace in your life that is you want to just quieten your mind and be happy with little things or are you seeking a solution for this life because once you have come with this human intelligence if you don't immediately get engrossed with some petty thing around you it is natural for every human being to think what is all this about where did i come from where will i go what is the process of this life what is the meaning of this what is the purpose of my existence here and is my existence just a blimp that i just come and vanish or is there something else essentially what is the nature of my existence this is a question that no human being can avoid unless somebody works on you very young and they tells you you are this you are that you are going to this heaven or hell or whatever unless somebody washes you up like this it is very very natural for every human being to ask these questions and these questions are good this confusion is good because when you realize you do not know see people have misunderstood and unfortunately not understood the significance of i do not know i do not know is the most significant thing in your life because the moment you see i do not know the longing to know wanting to know seeking to know is a natural consequence once there is a strong seeking knowing is not far away because anything that you wish to know about life you don't have to search through a microscope or a telescope because you are life this is life right now i may call this by a name right now it may have an identity in the world but essentially this is life and this is the only life i can experience see right now all these beautiful trees i don't experience them i only experience them the way they happen within me the way they reflect in the firmament of my mind and how i relate to them whichever way i will only experience these trees within myself there is no way i can experience these trees out there and that's true for everything you cannot experience anything out there it can only happen within you all experience pain and pleasure joy and misery agony and ecstasy can only happen within you every kind of experience happens within you when you understand this well if you realize i do not know and this then you start looking naturally you will understand this once you understand this finding the nature of your existence and becoming the master of your destiny is a natural consequence the problem is we kill i do not know with belief systems ideas philosophies ideologies if you keep all these things aside i think that's what in some way you did in your desert i don't know which day that you went to you didn't go to kalahari did you no i was sahara and then west texas okay so so in a desert means you're alone so as you said in your own words initially you're confused and struggling but then as you pay attention because when you nothing else to pay attention to you naturally pay attention to how you work every muscle in your body the breath heartbeat everything then you will start noticing what you call as within or what is what you call as me is an entire universe and that's the only universe you've experienced you have not experienced any other universe the only and only universe and the only and only world that you have experienced is what has happened within you once you realize this then you fix the world the way you want it within yourself outside world we do our best so you think it's the outside saying because i've gone through that man i i i felt like i had to be in the know only recently have i shaken hands with the fact no i love to be in the know i also want to be in the know what i don't know and like i want to know what i don't know and know that i do not know and saying oh that's a good thing matthew is what i'll tell myself so but is it is it do we not give ourselves enough credit to or is it or the i don't know is like a blind spot it's like whoa i don't know i know it's a blind spot let me clear this i know it's a blind spot see right now let's say you're driving you're driving a truck was coming behind you and you saw it in the mirror so do you see what is behind the truck so you know there is a truck coming but that's a blind spot it blocks everything else so right now you think i know that's like a blot in your brain it doesn't allow you to see anything else if you see i do not know i do not know is not about things around you fundamentally see you and me are sitting here talking long distance we are sitting on a round planet the damn thing is spinning all the time and also go hurtling through the space at tremendous speed in the middle of nowhere nobody knows where this cosmos begins where it ends in the middle of nowhere a tiny little mechanism called solar system in that tiny little super tiny place called planet uh earth in that texas is a micro super space in that austin city is a super super micro space in that you're a big man this is the problem because the moment i think i know i become big in my perception once i become big inevitably i'll make a fool of myself whether i realize this in this life or not somebody who has eyes to see will see this is a bloody fool [Laughter] yes love it i know is a blind spot i heard uh but we we tell ourselves the world tells us the opposite that no to do you know the self-assurance you you the the the confidence even if it's a false confidence to will get you you know what you more what you want we we reward that in in life in this life in the mortal life we reward that with money with jobs with uh um even blue ribbons and gold medals sometimes um is it an act of courage to lean into the i don't know is it to seek what you don't know is it a courageous act or is that too much of a come from a belief system i'm just trying to make it tangible because yes you know right now uh do i know you are matthew i wouldn't dare try the second name hey rhymes with what would madonna say so so i know you're matthew mcconaughey but do i know you i don't know i know you because when i see a person i know many things that i know i need to know to interact to be with them and everything but do you know some life absolutely you do not know so with the i do not know does not mean you are ignorant i do not know simply means that maybe right now i am seeing the surface i am always willing to look deeper and deeper and deeper but the moment i say oh i know what's matthew he's a file in my mind it's finished so i do not know does not mean that it's ignorance see we must understand this see however much knowledge you have even if you have digested the libraries on this planet still what you know in this cosmic space is a minuscule but our ignorance is boundless so the whole yogic system always identifies with ignorance because if i identify with my ignorance then whether i am awake or asleep my intelligence is always on it never sleeps the moment i say i know my intelligence goes to sleep it gets lazy lazy this is essentially determining what is the quality of your life so do not ever let your intelligence go to sleep by saying i know something do you know a blade of grass i am asking all the top scientists on the planet do we really know a blade of grass absolutely we do not know as you look deeper and deeper and deeper into it there's more and more and more to it see the top scientists in the world have openly saying we not only do not know we will never know all right so this is a does it mean these people are ignorant people no they may have more knowledge than most people on the planet but they are saying this because they have looked deep enough into life and if you look deep enough into life you will naturally see what you know is a minuscule what you do not know is an endless possibility so do you want to take away the boundless possibility because you know a spot i don't know is not ignorance it's an endless possibility ignorance is a boundless thing knowledge is a very limited thing fun fun that's what this sounds like fun the adventure uh um let's can you open up your definition of expansion um you know you you what most people would say would be your teaching you caught technology i like that that clicks with me with me too um but can you open up to talk about your definition of of expansion for us everything right see uh i mean before that what you refer to as technology why this is technology is see if i give you uh a belief system you may believe it you may not believe it if i give you a teaching you may like it you may not like it if you give a philosophy you may agree with it you may not agree with it now i give you a technology all you have to do is learn to use it whoever learns to use it for them it'll work it's as simple as that so it doesn't matter right now you know some people were complaining when that isis war was going on in syria and iraq in america some people that i know were complaining can you believe it they're using our iphones and doing all these attacks i said this is technology whoever learns to use it it'll work you don't have to say any of your religious slogans to make it work you learn to use it it works so this is yoga is a technology you just learn to use it it doesn't matter who you are what you believe what you don't believe all this doesn't matter you just learn to use it it will work so what is expansion see word yoga means this well you already came to a little verbal meaning of that which simply means union or actually that other definition you said i'm sorry i'm i'm neither latin or uh greek so uh you said something about you okay all right line together again to bind together the word yoga literally if you go back to its original meaning it means to yoke you yoke together see right now what yoking means is see when you sit here you are an individual person this is why i said the greatest magnanimity of creation is it gave us an individual experience there are swarms of insects here for them they don't have an individual experience they experience themselves as a swarm as a species but we experience ourselves as an individual unfortunately instead of enjoying this privilege we have made this into a point of conflict conflict between each other all the time me versus you but this is the greatest privilege that we can sit here i want you to just imagine suppose you looked at you or me from let's say galaxy z what are we even through a telescope or a microscope we are not visible it doesn't matter what they have we are not visible with such a tiny speck of dust literally but we have an individual experience it's not a small thing we can look at the universe and wonder what this is all about this is not a small thing so this individual experience or the sense of being an individual when you take it too seriously then you get lost then you have to yoke with the creation you have to become one with it only then you know life otherwise you are misunderstanding your psychological world as existential right now this is all the problem with human beings somehow nature trusted that if we give you so much intelligence you will make the best out of it tell me matthew in your experience or in anybody's experience does intelligence spell solutions or problems intelligence means solutions isn't it unfortunately today it's human intelligence which is causing all the problems simply because we are too stuck with our individuality we don't understand this is just a privilege tomorrow morning if they bury us in the land we will become one with everything all right all this countless number of peoples who walked this planet and they also thought they are great people where are they all topsoil right now you and me also will be topsoil unless some friends choose to bury you real deep thinking you may raise from the dead you know fearing rather so i'm saying we are anyway part of this without taking a breath we cannot live without food water we cannot live without constant interaction we cannot live but we are acting like concrete block individuals we are absolutely individual yoga means you obliterate the boundary of your individuality so that you experience your universality once you experience your universality if i experience everything around me here everybody around me here is a part of myself after that do i need any moral morality does somebody has to tell me don't drop them don't kill them don't do this don't do that once i've experienced something as a part of myself with that i have no conflict this is yoga see right now for example these five fingers i have five more okay i'm only showing you five these five fingers you also have five not bad [Laughter] so these five fingers right now i experience them very much as a part of myself but this is just the food i've eaten food i've eaten means it's just the soil that i'm walking upon right now it's just a piece of the planet but right now this is very much me in my experience this is totally me now why is this so see right now there's a glass of water here the water in this glass is this me no if i drink it will it become me of course more than 70 percent of my body is water so what is it that happened all that happened was you have a as you have a physical body you have a sensory body your sensory body is the boundary boundaries of who you are see if you touch your right you do this matthew with your right hand just touch your left hand is that you 100 isn't it touch the chair on which you're sitting is that you no no how do you know it's just that here there are sensations here there are no sensations so essentially what you're saying is what is within the boundaries of my sensation is me what is outside the boundaries of my sensation is not me so the sensory body has a presence of its own we can just do this experiment right now just close your eyes just for 20 seconds briskly rub your hands like this hold them about three to four inches away from each other something happening between them isn't it yes so what is happening is just that because of uh exuberant movement now your sensory body expands so you know why people are rubbing each other all the time because somebody who is not you you begin to experience them as a part of yourself maybe momentarily but it happens so right now what yoga means is you make you sit here without any outside activity just sit here and make your life energy so exuberant and active that your sensory body expands if your sensible sensory body expands to the size of the room in which you're sitting you will experience everything around you as a part of yourself if your sensory body expands like like the universe then we say you are a yogi that means you become one with everything today if you go to a yoga program in a studio people are calling themselves yogis that's not what it means it means that you obliterated the boundaries of your individuality and you became one with everything in your experience even if this happens for a few moments in your life after that you are never the same again because everything that you see man woman child tree animal bird everything somewhere deep inside you know this is part of me when you know this you don't have to be driven by commandments or morals or values or ethics no you're running out of your humanity the life that you are and that's the way you should be if your humanity is dead then you need lot of morality if your humanity is alive and overflowing everything will be fine you will do the best that is for yourself and everybody around you and we would completely live a different life and right now with this pandemic and everything this becomes very essential this is the time for us to stand up and show what kind of human beings we are yes yes individually and what you just said about the individual experience is all that's who we are that's all we have but the yogi is connected with the universe all right so the eye it's where the eye meets the we the yoke of the eye and the we would that be fair to say that's how i i phrased it uh is it i and the all we means there are still multiples all right so all i and the all yes you are the all right now you know i launched a whole program an ecological program in india based on this i saw that we had to increase the green cover in the state in which we were which was at about 16.5 at that time the aspiration was 33 percent so i told them see you have to plant 114 million trees in the next eight years they rolled their eyeballs and said how is that possible do you know what is 114 million how can we plant that many trees so i told them what is their population it was about 62 million i said of all of you plant one today and one more after two years then it is a done thing only thing is all of you will not participate that's the whole problem so i made a simple process i made people sit under trees and made them breathe i set up a spiritual process for them where i clearly made them experience see what you exhale the trees are inhaling what they exhale you are inhaling literally one half of your breathing apparatus is hanging out there once they felt this experientially you can't stop them they're still planting trees all over the place today we've planted millions of trees and it's still going on right now our goal is to plant 2.42 billion and the mark came in between mark benioff came in between and now he's telling me trillion what's after that is there such thing as the zillion or is it go straight to google play no no after that uh you know one day to be buried under a tree so that you become good man or for one tree at least because that's all the flesh i carry only for one tree hey it's close to a question so you have that experience which you said would last about four and a half hours when you were on your rock with your your your favorite tree growing up through the crack and you had that experience how many years ago was that uh that was when i was that was 1982 so 82 so 21 and 18 39 41 39 years here we go so i think many you know most people go and have had certain experiences where they felt like what i would call crossing the truth and going whoa i know i've had experiences in my own life i'm like that was true it landed on me it was quite it was as light as a butterfly but strong as a lightning bolt i know that what i just realized is true for this time that time and all time and i have to tell myself now the hard work matthew is going back into the busy society and maintaining it now the problem with maintaining is i was doing tools to try and hang on to it which is not what you're saying no you're saying boy it happens it doesn't need landon it's not you're not maintaining the sky are you no you're not maintaining the sky so in our perception in human perception boundlessness means the sky boundary means the planet in a way so when something really boundless you cross some limits see so many people especially uh maybe not so much in texas i don't know but more in california i'm going there in a few days everybody talks about how they broke their barriers because they smoked this because they drank this because they did this see all this is fine i'm not saying it's not genuine see it can be induced in so many ways okay you can simply do it if you just dance yourself crazy uh like you know how the native american people were doing they were just dancing themselves into states where uh literally bordering on life and death kind of dance but because of that they broke through but these kind of things if you do you will have experiences definitely it may bring some sense of wisdom but it will also get you addicted to that particular activity if any that particular activity maybe a dance maybe a drug maybe a smoke whatever it is i'm saying if you create any experience within you with a certain physical activity naturally you will get addicted to that physical activity it may be alcohol it may be drug it may be sexuality it may be adventure it may be jumping off the mountain for different people it may be different things but essentially you will get addicted to the activity because you see that activity as a source now this is what is significant about the yogic process that there is a step-by-step ladder if you climb then after that without any activity sitting in this space you can be in that state once that happens there is no maintenance voila well beautiful i could um would love to go on talking hours days and hanging out etc um you know uh um i really uh um dig where you're coming from and happy you're sharing what you're sharing um because i think you're turning a lot of people obviously turn a lot of people on to themselves um and uh amen for that um for keeping us involved and involved and boy we need that like you said we need personal involvement now more than ever um to to to to evolve as as as a species it seems you know so this uh this is the time i'm saying particularly in india right now last two weeks have been grim all right it's it's been a very grim situation out there and still going in that direction uh well now lockdowns curfews all coming maybe it'll turn back a little bit but we need to understand this that we have come to a time where there are many uh not mainstream scientists there are many you know other kinds of scientists who look at various things they they need not be 100 wrong or 100 percent right they're talking about how this is all happened because of the biological push we have done on other creatures whatever uh this is a script for hollywood movie that how we push the biology and how the all the virus sat together and planned and got at us i'm saying not that but i'm just saying essentially we have reached a point different generations have reached different kinds of situations but we have come to a place our fortune is right now this virus the carrier the soul carrier is human being earlier we had this kind of pandemics or epidemics where carriers were mice birds mosquitoes other kinds of things we couldn't stop them what we were thinking of in our mind at that time is how to completely eliminate all the mice on the planet how to get rid of the mosquitoes absolutely genocide we were planning genocides on them but right now it is us we are the carriers you can see this as a great blessing on a great curse if you would see it as a blessing if you are a conscious human being because if all of us all of us across the world i know this is a right now an utopian thing if all of us had the sense to 14 days just be with two three people that we are and not meet anybody for 14 days the pandemic is largely over all right but we won't do that we need a haircut we need to go to the pub we need to do this somebody needs to go to the temple somebody needs to go to bar everybody has all this because we are such compulsive creatures right now the significance of being human ease there's nothing big about us except that we can conduct the same things that the animals do consciously we eat we sleep we copulate we die all right the question is if you do it consciously it looks human if you do it compulsively it looks animalistic so right now this is the time for us to exhibit how conscious we are as a generation of people what sort of people are we simple simple commitment i will make sure i am not infected but if it so happens i am infected i will ensure it will not go to one more person this much commitment if we take is over it's a small short-term inconvenience for long-term freedom and also we are too committed to our lifestyles we are not committed to our life we think our lifestyles is life no lifestyles is a consequence of time being the times we are in which you are living life is the real thing so right now focus on life that this life should not be put to risk no other life should be put to risk lifestyle doesn't matter you can make your lifestyle differently what is a big deal yeah i'm driving and sleeping in a truck so i've changed my lifestyle completely i hear you oh i hear you great talking to you thank you i look forward to our next time yeah the laughter and all i hope you have a great road trip and keep enjoying yourself out there getting off-road and uh we'll talk to you next time wherever you are i'm crossing texas keep the cowboys off me huh oh come on you you'll fit right in here come on in howdy it's about 974 miles east to west come on through man stop wherever you want hospitable state we'd love to have you let me know when you come yes thank you thank you yes sir

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Published: Wed Jun 02 2021