Speaker: This is truly an incredible opportunity to witness Matthew Hayden and Sadhguru in conversation. Having played for the Chennai Super Kings, Matthew
Hayden has an existing strong association to India. And incredibly he also shares another common
cause with Sadhguru in Cauvery Calling. But today's program is all about
going beyond boundaries. And Matthew Hayden knows all about boundaries. So we were eager to see what's going
to happen when he meets Sadhguru and to see how Sadhguru can take us to the boundless. Speaker: I would like to please invite Sadhguru and
Matthew Hayden to please take the stage. Thank you (Applause). Matthew Hayden: Good evening everyone. I'll just hide this away I've had a IT mishap
straightaway (Both laughs)! IT, who would have thought. Firstly, I accept the beautiful Welcome to
Country from the Agora people. 60,000 years of human spirit, goodness me can you get,
you know, a longer, more detailed story and respect to those people always (Applause). It truly amazes me the sheer volume of people
that are inspired by Sadhguru. I guess for Australians, we feel a very long
way away from the spiritual heartlands of India. But on behalf of Australia, we welcome… Sadhguru: Thank you. Matthew Hayden: … you with great sincerity and with great anticipation as well for this evening, which I'm sure, you know, will not only be enlightening,
but will also be a great deal of fun. So on behalf of Australia and Australians, we're very
multicultural societies, you can see by the faces in the room today, the definition of Australia is
the faces that we see in front of us from India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, England, you know, our real
sort of heritage land Scotland, Ireland, Wales, South Africa, we truly are
represented by… Sadhguru: You’re missing the Chinese. Matthew Hayden: … Chinese, Japanese (Laughter). Jeez, we've actually, let's… let's, let's
not even get there because we could list every nation on the planet that's sitting right in front of us tonight.
So, thank you so much for joining us tonight. Over to you (Applause). Sadhguru Chants Kalo ne janathi… Sadhguru: Good evening to everyone.
Hey, I said Good evening (Both laugh). I think a lot of them have been misled by the title - Beyond Boundaries, they think you're going to hit a sixer or something
(Both Laugh). Matthew Hayden: Well, aren’t we (Laughs)? Sadhguru: Well today we're not talking about
the ball going beyond boundaries. We're talking about you and me going
beyond boundaries. Please… Matthew Hayden: It's a beautiful occasion as always,
when you get a lot of people in a room. Is there a specific reason why we
gathered here, in your opinion, what's… what's the force that's dragging us all together? Sadhguru: Essentially, the nature of being
human is such, no matter where you are, what kind of achievements you have behind you,
you're still longing to be something more. There's something more, somebody may think
more money, somebody may think more wealth, somebody may think more pleasure, more love,
more knowledge, but everything that you accumulate in your life, only makes the arrangements better,
but doesn't really enhance your life. So, whether it is consusl… consciously articulated
within a human being or not, but every human being is longing in
some way to enhance their lives. Somebody thinks it will happen by going to the temple.
Somebody thinks it will happen by going to the bar. Somebody thinks it will happen with prayer.
Somebody thinks it will happen with dope. All of them are aiming for the same thing,
whether it works or not is a different matter. But the longing is, in some way to enhance
their life. So, in this effort, in this longing, within
every human being, which can never be curbed, no matter what you do, what you give them,
human beings will long for something more. So, there is something within every human being,
longing to be beyond boundaries. Whatever the present boundaries, we want to
go beyond that or in… to put it in other words, there is something within you which
does not like boundaries. That's why you try to smash them (Both Laughs). There is something within a human being which
doesn't like boundaries. See, suppose, let's say I imprisoned you in
a five-by-five cubicle, you will feel terrible - imprisoned. Tomorrow we will announce your liberation
and liberate you into a ten-by-ten cubicle. You'll feel wonderful for a day and again
you will feel horribly imprisoned. The next day we will release you into a
hundred-by-hundred cubicle, you will feel really great. But within three days again, that is also
imprisonment. It doesn't matter where I set the boundary, the moment
you can feel the boundary, you want to break it. There is something within you which does not
like boundaries. So, this longing finds various kinds of expression...
Various sorts of expressions. People try through, music, art, sport, business. All these efforts are fine, every effort is fine. The longing is fantastic. Through intoxication, through stimulation, every way
people try somehow to break their boundaries. But the important thing is,
can you stay beyond boundaries? Or do you breach it just for a moment and
again come back to the same format? So when this question comes up, there's a very, you
know, the Patanjali Yoga Sutras were written like this. It's one of the greatest documents on life,
written in a very cryptic way so that scholars wouldn't get interested.
That's the idea (Laughs). Because once they get interested, they will
write ten different versions of the same thing. So Patanjali starts this significant document with half a
sentence, the sentence is like this, “…And now yoga.” That means, you tried money, you tried wealth,
you tried relationships, you tried love, you tried pleasure, you tried intoxication,
you tried all kinds of things, everything did something to you, but you know
it is not settling you - and now yoga. Matthew Hayden: Happy. Sadhguru: So yoga does not mean
twisting and turning, yoga means union, that is consciously you obliterated
the boundaries of your individual nature. Because your individual nature is just your
imagination. As you sit here, your boundaries of your body
and your mind are just your making. Right now, constantly you're breathing, it is happening in many different levels, but in the most fundamental way you’re breathing. If you close your mouth and hold your nose,
you understand you cannot live within your boundary. You have to breach the boundary every moment,
otherwise you cannot exist. This is not just in the level of your respiration,
every cell in the body, every atom in the body, is in some kind of transaction.
If you stop it, you cease to exist. So your very existence is not within the boundaries,
but within your psychological framework you have this sense of “this is me.” This is because… see, tch, this solar system,
the very solar system in which we are, is a tiny speck in this cosmos. In that tiny speck, planet earth is a micro speck,
in that micro speck, Brisbane is a super micro speck, in that you are a big man (Laughter).
That's not a small problem (Laughs). And in the middle of nowhere, we don't know
where this cosmos begins, where it ends, here we are sitting on this little mud ball and
talking all this stuff (Matthew Laughs). Yes, and we think we are doing it.
That's the most incredible thing. See this… all this mistake and this confusion has happened because creation gave us an individual experience though we are like a speck of dust
in the universe, though we are a tiny speck, a micro speck in the universe, it gave us
an individual experience. We are taking this individual experience rather
too seriously and thinking it's real. No, it's just psychological. It's fantastic, it's the magnanimity of creation,
that it's given us an individual experience. This does not mean, you're actually an individual,
you're not, you cannot exist for one moment, without everything else around you. All these arrangements you did not make, we’ve
messed it up, but we did not make the, you know, arrangements of atmosphere, we did not make the
arrangements of the planet functioning in a certain way, we did not make the arrangements of
whatever comes out in this planet nourishes us, keeps us well, this is not our making. So this sense of individuality has been taken
too seriously. Because of that, no matter where you are,
in which dimension of life you are, you feel somewhere deep inside trapped. So, if you think, somewhere a little instinct
tells you there may be a solution, there you will be. Matthew Hayden: Let's focus for a second on
collaboration because, as an individual can take it that the Isha foundation is…
is something which is now a global movement. So talk to me about the spirit of collaboration.
I mean, how you've developed, built these organisms like a human body that might describe
yourself as, maybe a platelet within the human body. But you know, there's this huge juggernaut
that's walking and talking around the world. Tell me about the foundations of that thought, where it
originated from and then the spirit of the collaboration. Sadhguru: I don't collaborate with anybody
(Matthew Laughs). Whoever, either they're in front of me or
they're not here with me, I make them a part of myself. And this is not my doing, this is the way
creation is made. See, you may not be… you may not be able
to stand the person who's sitting next to you, but what they exhale you are inhaling
without any problem, isn't it? I'm saying essentially your existence is inclusive.
Only your mind is exclusive. I made my mind just the way my life is,
so it's inclusive. So I don't think in terms of collaborating
or confronting anybody, I’m just inclusive. Whether they like it or not, I make them a
part of my… that… life, that's all. I don't seek other people's permission to make them a
part of my life. I just make them a part of my life. Because I don't need their permission for
this. Hello (Laughs)? So out of this things happen in many different
ways, the various activities, essentially the fundamental activity is to raise human
consciousness, in the sense; see right now our sense of who I am, is only because too
much identity with physical self. Your physical body is an accumulation, isn't
it so? Hello? Hello?
Participants: Yes. Sadhguru: Slowly, you came like this, just this much
(Gestures). Now you became this (Gestures) much just by eating, isn't it?
Hello? Participants: Yes. Sadhguru: What you have eaten is just a piece
of this planet. If you get it from now, if you get it from
me now it will be good, otherwise one day you will get it
from the maggots anyway (Matthew Laughs). It is good then also because for most people
that's the only eco-friendly thing they do. But (Laughs) if you get it now, you could
transform your life, if you understand, the soil that you walk upon, the air that you breathe,
the water that you drink, everything around you is actually you, happening, yes or no?
Yesterday what was you is not you today. What is not you today could be you tomorrow,
isn't it? What was soil yesterday, today became food,
tomorrow becomes your body, isn't it? So what you call as my body is just an accumulation,
whatever we accumulate, we can claim it is ours, but you cannot say it’s me, see right now, I can say this is
my vessel, if I say this is me, you know I’ve lost it. Hello (Matthew Laughs)?
But this is what you're doing every day. Food appears on your plate, you say this is
my food, you eat it and you say this is me. So consciousness means just this - if your
physical body is dominant, you think, feel, act, in a certain way because physical body
is always about boundaries. I'm sorry, my physical body is right now leaking
a little bit (Laughter). I need to blow my nose. Matthew Hayden: Translate Sadhguru, he had
a game of golf, he didn't wear enough clothes and he got cold and now he's got a cold (Laughs).
See he is human. Sadhguru: I thought I was playing in Chennai
(Both laugh). Matthew Hayden: I once played in Chennai,and I… and
I lost badly because I didn't have a glove on, and of course, its forty degrees, well,
thirty-eight degrees and the humidity is… Sadhguru: Hundred percent (Laughs). Matthew Hayden: always peak,
it's just like walking through water. I don't know why there's a water crisis in
Chennai because it is all around your face (Laughter).
Sadhguru: Because it's all in the air. Matthew Hayden: Like you just catch, like
you put a trey underneath you as you moved around and catch that water and that would
be enough water to sustain you for another day. But I play this gut round of golf and every time I try and
hit the ball, the club would go further than the ball. So I thought forget golf in Chennai
(Both laugh). Sorry, you were saying. Sadhguru: So, if your body is dominant you
think, feel and act in a certain way, because you think through your body or your intelligence
works for the boundaries of your body. So naturally survival instinct will be the strongest dimension of who you are. When survival instinct is strongest, you always
want to build a wall around yourself. When survival instinct is strong, you want
to build a wall of self-preservation. The walls of self-preservation are also
walls of self-imprisonment. What looks like protection today
is imprisonment tomorrow. Has it happened to you or no in many different ways?
Hello? You build a wall thinking this is protection,
after two days you realize this is a prison you built. Of course, built by you so you cannot easily demolish it,
it takes time, because so much investment has gone into it (Both laugh). If you identify with your psychological process,once
again,the boundaries may be little larger than your body, but still, it is a boundary, because all your
psychological process only happens with the identities that you have
taken in. Maybe your race, your religion, your nationality,
your ethnicity, something, you've taken on an identity, your psychological framework,
what’s works within that. See when it comes to body - this is my body,
that's your body, clearly. We won't get this till we are buried, that
it's all the same soil. But, this is my body, that's your body, right
now clearly. This is my mind, that’s your mind, here and there
we may overlap, but this is my mind that’s your mind. But when it comes to life, there is no such
thing as my life and your life. Right now the problem with most human beings
is - their physiological and psychological process is too dominant for them to realize
that the life that they are is of a different nature than the body and the psychological
structures that they have built. This is like, let's say, you and me blew soap bubbles.
(Talks aside: We should have brought it actually.) Matthew Hayden: Mhmm, it would have been fun. Sadhguru: So you got this big bubble,
I got that big bubble. Now I claim that is my bubble,
the big one is my bubble. It went pop! Then I don't say this is my air – that’s your air.
Life is just like this, this is a living cosmos. You captured some I captured some. Now, the whole science of yoga is about breaching
the boundaries of your psychological and physiological structure, so that you imbibe more and more life. So, after some time, the life that you are
becomes more dominant than the body that you are, than the thought and emotion that you
are, when your life becomes very significantly more than the psychological and physiological
processes, if you sit here, you are a significant life, not necessarily because of what you
do and do not do. You're just a significant life simply, by
existence you are significant. Once it happens like this, effortlessly you
can function. Every human being is doing this knowingly
or unknowingly, most of the time unconsciously, some are depleting, some are gaining. But as there is a science for external wellbeing there is a
whole science and technology for inner wellbeing, where you consciously obliterate the boundaries of
your physiological and psychological boundaries, so that the life that you are is so highly enhanced,
that you are a significant life. It's not necessarily because of what you do, simply your
presence and your existence become significant. This is something every human being must do, because
in body you are not a match for other creatures. Hello? You cannot run like a cheetah, you are not as strong as
an elephant, you cannot even hop like a kangaroo. You're no good actually, physiologically.
Hello? See…(Interrupted by Matthew) Matthew Hayden: Speak for yourself (Laughter). Sadhguru: No, I'm saying, if you compare yourself
with any other creature, what does the body do? It eats, it sleeps, it dies, reproduces and
it dies one day. In all these departments you are no good compared
to other species. They eat better than you, there are insects which eat, you
know, fifty times their body weight in twenty-four hours. They sleep better than you, many of them sleep
for three months, six months, at a stretch, they reproduce better than you, they produce
in hundreds, thousands, some of them in millions, for you just to bear one child how much fuss
(Laughter). They also die better than you without fuss. So physiologically, you are not a great champion,
all right (Matthew laughs). Among humans you may be… Matthew Hayden,
may be good, all right, among humans, not comparable to a rhinoceros or a elephant, nothing,
not even to a gorilla, he'll just smash him up (Laughter). Among the human beings, he's smashing the
ball all the time (Both laugh), that's a different matter. I'm saying physiologically we are not a
great presence. Our significance is our intelligence and our
ability to be conscious and inclusive. Every other creature, always trying to set
boundaries because their whole life is about survival. Once you become a human survival is not
the goal of your life. See, for all other creatures, stomach full,
life settled. For human beings - stomach empty, only one
problem; food, stomach full; one-hundred problems (Laughter). Because what is human unfolds only after survival
is taken care of. When survival is question, we are also just
like any other creature fighting for survival. Only when survival is taken care of other
dimensions of being human come into play. So, human life is not about survival, physical
survival is not the end goal of who we are. We are longing to be something more, how much
more do you think would settle you? Hello? How much more would settle you? If I make you the king of this planet or queen
of this planet would you settle? No? What do you want?
Okay, the solar system (Laughter)? No. If I give you one galaxy, you will want the
next galaxy. This is the nature of being human, doesn't
matter where the boundary is, the moment I see the boundary,
I want to break it. So there is something within you longing to
become boundless, if you do not find expression to this, do not matter what you have, you
remain somehow unfulfilled. So, this is what Yoga means, that you breach
the boundaries of your physiological and psychological nature, that if you sit here,
you're a complete human being within yourself. Matthew Hayden: Tell me this then, if our strength is
only in our intelligence, why are we making such dismal decisions as a humanity, why are we…
why can we honestly say that history does repeat itself? And we're talking about all sorts of global
atrocities. If we’re so intelligent, if that is our strength,
which I agree hundred percent with you on, the fact is that we've got boundaries
in terms of our physicality, acknowledge that for sure. Sadhguru: See, you know, Charles Darwin? You have a city called Darwin, I think, right?
Named after him. He said a goat could have become a giraffe
in so many million years, a pig could have become an elephant
in many more million years. But a monkey became a man rather too quickly
(Laughter). Yes, so quickly that anthropologist believe that
there is a missing link somewhere (Matthew Laughs). Today modern genetic scientists are saying
the difference between a chimpanzee and you is, in terms of DNA, the DNA difference between
you and the chimpanzee is 1.23 percent, 1.23 percent is not much of a (Laughter)
difference, isn't it? So physiologically, that's how close you are
to a chimpanzee. But in terms of your intelligence and consciousness
there's… you are worlds apart from a chimpanzee. So right now the problem is just this,
you have an intelligence for which you don't have a stable enough base. Because of this, people are using their intelligence
to poke themselves all the time. They don't need any outside help.
If you just leave them alone, they will suffer. So they may call it stress, they will call
it tension, they will call it misery, they will call it madness,
they'll call it so many things. Essentially, it's about your intelligence
turning against yourself. So, nature has endowed you with an intelligence,
with a phenomenal capability, anything which is a great possibility, if you don't
take charge of it, it will become a huge problem. Right now human intelligence has become a
massive problem, because most people have not taken charge of it for their wellbeing
and everybody's wellbeing. They're using it to hurt themselves. Once you use it to hurt yourself, knowingly
or unknowingly you will also hurt everything around you. If you are suffering, you must understand this,
it is not because of any situation around you, you're simply suffering because you do
not know how to handle your own intelligence. That is the problem that you're seeing on
the planet. Matthew Hayden: Expectation, we were talking
about it before we came on stage, in a cricket context. T-20 cricket is, you know, something that people love.
They love the sixes, they love the fours. But using that metaphorically,
converting that into to conversation around humanity, is there a false expectation… is that's
what is also setting up humanity for… for both the positive aspects but also, you know
those pitfalls within that expectation? Or is it as simple as just keeping it to the moment
because as an athlete I lived and died by the moment. If I was out of the moment, then I was like
you holding that Cobra up? I was one second away from being out of play. Sadhguru: Oh, you went only to the pavilion.
If you don't handle the Cobra right, you go… (Gestures) (Laughter) Matthew Hayden:All the way,
to where? Where do you go? Sadhguru: See, see, now you're getting somewhere,
hmm (Laughter)? What you saw that's a king cobra.
Well, he has enough venom to kill an elephant. If he bites you in the limbs, you may have
anywhere between forty to ninety minutes. If he bites you in the body, you have six
to eight minutes. But he won't bite me, see I'm not holding
him by his head, just holding him like this (Gestures) . He can, at his will, he can turn back and bite. But he won't bite, because his venom is
precious to him, it's very precious to him. Venom is among the highest or the most
intense forms of protein on the planet. To manufacture that, he has to work hard.
He's not going to just waste it on me (Matthew laughs). Unless, I look like a threat to him. If I have to look like a threat to him, he's not judging
by his vision, he is reading my chemistry. If he sees a little bit of agitation in my
chemistry he will go for me for sure. Otherwise he will not go for me. So if we want to know you're really peaceful or not,
all the cricketers must be put, all the batsman, whether they're really peaceful, peaceful or not,
we can put them through a cobra test (Laughter). Matthew Hayden: Okay, trust me at times I
did feel like holding up ___ (Unclear) by the belly and just shaking him a little like
that as well (Laughs). Sadhguru: So this is the nature of existence. See… I'm sorry, you had a terrible accident in
the surfing but otherwise, some will ride the wave, some will get crushed by the wave. Somebody who does not know how to surf, he
can't believe that somebody can actually float. Hello (Matthew laughs)? They can't believe that you can actually ride. Today there's something called as wake surfing,
have you seen that? Behind the boat they’re surfing with just
the wake of the boat. So riding the wave and getting crushed by
the wave is just a question of competence, taking charge of something isn't? It is the same with every dimension of life,
are you riding it, are you being crushed by it? Those who are crushed by it, they think waves
are a big problem, they would like a still ocean. You are looking for big waves, you going to
India… monsoon time because you need big waves (Matthew laughs). So one who knows how to ride the wave is looking
for a big wave, it’s a huge possibility. One who does not know how to ride the wave
thinks a big wave is a huge problem. This is the nature of life (Matthew laughs). Time 70:59 Matthew Hayden: I have a little Aussie test
for you here, hope you don't mind. I got a… I got a few sayings, colloquialisms, because
Australia, correct me if I'm wrong, is full of things that make no sense whatsoever (Few
laugh). So we've mentioned number of times, Sadhguru
tonight inclusivity… (Audio disturbance) Sadhguru: You’re not a googly bowler, you
can't do that to me. Matthew Hayden: No, no, no, it’s not…
no googlies, trust me (Sadguru laughs). So, Aussie sayings, just a simple test. I want you to… I'd like you to have a go at trying to think
about what they are for a start and maybe tell us what you… what you think. When I say to you what's an ‘ankle biter’,
what does that mean? Sadhguru: What is? Matthew Hayden: An ankle biter. Sadhguru: I've just been here for two days,
please spare me (Laughter/Applause). Matthew Hayden: You can have your own back
by the way, you can have your own back. Okay, if I say… you should be able to get
this one, if even if you've been here for two days, my expectations, dangerous as they
are… Sadhguru: I know what’s a footy. Is that good enough to be an Aussie (Laughter)? Matthew Hayden: Good. That's a tick. Fair dinkum. What ‘s fair dinkum mean (Laughter)? I Love it. Okay, I we'll get back to nature, what's a
gullah, when I say, you're nothing but a gullah. What does that mean? Sadhguru: Must be a wombat or something (Matthew
laughs). Matthew Hayden: It’s a…it's a bird…
it’s a bird… type of bird. Australia…. Sadhguru: See I got somewhere close. Matthew Hayden: Yeah, very close. We’ll give you a tick. We say _____ (Unclear, sounds like - yakah)
that’s an Australian term. We often refer to something… I'll say ‘Yeah, we'll get it over the line,
but she's hard, real hard, _____ (Unclear) mate.’What does that mean? Sadhguru: A girl (Laughter). Matthew Hayden: Now, that's more like _____
(Unclear, sounds like - gnarly), that's _____ (Unclear) surfing expression _____ (gnarly?). Just for fairness, I'll just go one more. Sadhguru: See, you're also reading from the
book, you are also not an Aussie then (Laughter). Matthew Hayden: That's true. I just wanted to get it right, that's all. This is something that we're doing right now,
there's a tip. If I say to you ‘Sadghuru we’ll just up
here on the stage, we're just going to chew the fat for a while.’ What does that mean? Sadhguru: Chew the fat? Matthew Hayden: Chew the fat for a while (Laughter). Sadhguru: Ohh, that means maybe like other
people say, the meat on the bone, like that? (Matthew laughs). Matthew Hayden: Means we are talking, means
we are talking. You know, _____ (Unclear) the reason why I
brought that up was that when I'm commentating over in India, sometimes I would just get
this… my fellow commentators will give me this strange look… something… Sadhguru: Chew some fat, let’s chew some
fat (Laughter). Matthew Hayden: That's what… those sort
of comments and they look at me and after we get off, off air, they go, “Hey _____
(Unclear) what the hell did that mean”(Laughter)? And you forget that we are a language, especially
where you are now Sadhguru, in Queensland we speak a tongue that's English but it's,
it's not really (Laughter) it's… and trust me I been kind on you there's some horrific
ones as well (Both laugh). Tell me, you also mentioned that your first
visit here, your tripped across Australia and, and, you know my first impressions of
India was it that there is a lot of people. And there's also… in India, because there
are so many people there is so much energy, human energy and the chances are that if you're
having a bad day, either way you're at… or India as a whole is actually having a bad
day because there is so much collectivity of humanity. What was your impression so when you start
to travel across our vast country and… and just sensing the… the emptiness of the country
as well? I'd love to know what your impressions were
around that? And what insights you got out of it because
out of a lonely existence as well, there is time only for you in that environment as well? Sadhguru: Personally, I've spent a lot of
time by myself in the jungles of Southern India, in the Himalayas. Now every year I spend time in Tibet. These days it's very difficult for me to be
alone (Laughs)! People are all the time… Matthew Hayden: And do you like that? Is that something that you now seek that,
that time alone or… Sadhguru: I’m at my best when I'm alone
(Laughs). Matthew Hayden: And why is that? Why do you think that is? Sadhguru: Because I don't mess with myself. People sit by themselves and mess with themselves
and make a mess out of themselves. If they stay alone, they'll go crazy, a whole
lot of people. If one knows, if one enjoys being alone, it
means they are definitely better organized, psychologically, emotionally, far better organized
than others. One of the… one of the important processes
of spiritual sadhana we give, the tools that we offer, is always to go into silence. People go into silence, for… from three
days to three years, four years like this people go on silence. Not saying a word to anybody. Well, in today's world where if they are having
breakfast, they must take a picture of the breakfast, “I'm having breakfast.” If I'm going to the toilet, “I'm going to
the toilet” (Laughter). When this is the world (Both laugh) to just
shut up and sit in one place takes a lot. Initially, it looks like a struggle, but once
you really taste what it is, you can't be without it. You just can't be without it. See it's like this. If I shut myself up once in a way, from everything
around me, because otherwise I'm seven days of the week, three-hundred-sixty-five days,
twenty to twenty-two hours a day I'm on, on, on (Laughs). So if I shut myself, I don't read anything,
I don't watch TV, I don't use the phone, I don't even look out of the window, because
there is a phenomena of life within you which is far bigger than all the entertainment you
have. Because most people are only living with their
psychological drama of their own thought and emotion, they get bored, they want to do something
else, they want interaction. But if you engage with the basic phenomena
that you are, are you… are you all life? I'm just asking? Participants: Yes. Sadhguru: Hello? Participants: Yes. Sadhguru: No, no please look at this. Please look at this in twenty-four hours’
time, how many moments are you really life? Most of the time you're just a bundle of thoughts,
emotions, ideas, opinions, ideologies, prejudices, something, something other than life. If you… if I just sit there four, five days,
I don't have a single thought in my mind, I simply sit. They are the best times, if I do that once,
next few years nonstop, no vacation, no holiday, no weekly holiday, no nothing, we just go
on and on and on (Laughs). Because once you touch the source of your
life, the way the surface functions is almost... people, people around me think I'm superhuman. No, this is not about being superhuman, this
is about realizing being human is super (Applause). It is not for nothing, it is not for nothing
that we are the peak of evolution on this planet. Hello, are we? Participants: Yes. Sadhguru: We're the peak of evolution on this
planet. It's… to make you the way you are, it took
millions of years of work. Nature, has worked millions of years to get
you to this level. But now all most human beings can do is complain. This is a product which is arrived at after
phenomenal development over a few million years. But now you're complaining about how it is
because you not explored the full depth and dimension of what a human being is. A human being is not just a bundle of thoughts
and emotions, like you're not just body there's something more to this, body you accumulated,
what you call as my mind is an accumulation of impressions. This is a heap of food, that is a heap of
impressions between these two heaps where the hell are you? Yes, where are you? It's time everybody pays some attention because
this life is not for good. Since you came and sat here you are forty-five
minutes closer to your grave (Matthew laughs). Yes, I'm not… Matthew Hayden: Sobering thought. Sadhguru: I'm not wishing this on you, this
is the nature of our life. This is not clock ticking away, it's our life
ticking away, isn't it? Most people think other people die (Laughter),
you know. No, no, you and me will die. If you understand, if you understand that
this is a limited amount of time and energy, you would see how to master this in some way. Do whatever you want, you can't stop one minute
from rolling, isn't it? Hello? Whoever you may be, can you stop it? No! It's rolling away for all of us at the same
pace. Well, how quickly, how rapidly or how slowly,
simply depends on how joyful or how miserable you are. If you're… have you noticed this on a specific
day, you were very happy, twenty-four hours, puff, went off like a moment. Another day you were depressed twenty-four
hours feel like a eon, yes or no? So only miserable people can have a truly
looong life (Laughter). If you're really joyful, if you're very joyful,
before you know what's happening, it gets over. For the possibilities that a human being has
come with, if you live to be hundred, it's really nothing. Hundred is not a looong life, hundred is nothing,
if you're really ecstatic, it will just pass away like this, in no time. If you're miserable every day feels like hundred
years. So, time is a very relative experience, but
the only thing that you can master is your energies. Energetically, if you are at a certain level
of intensity, what somebody does in ten years you will do in one year. Because of this the impact and the profoundness
of your experience, in terms of experience the profoundness of experience, in terms of
activity and impact in the world, it may be like thousand years, though you lived only
hundred years simply because you have multiplied yourself, but time is limited. Tamil people… you know some Tamil words,
now I'm going to…(Overlaping conversation) Matthew Hayden:Ceri… (Tamil word) Oke… There is one, Ceri Sadhguru: I’m going to goog… I’m going to googly you with Tamil words,
(Overlapping conversation) like you chewed fat with me (Laughter). Matthew Hayden: Yeah, you’ve got me. Come on now, hit me… hit me with something
(Sadhguru laughs). Sadhguru: In Tamil language this is very well
said, when somebody dies we don't say he died, we say Kaalam Aitaanga that means his time
got over, perfect, it’s a perfect description. Time got over that's all that happened. Time is getting over even now, isn't it so? How young you are, how healthy you are, how
wonderful you are, it doesn't matter, time is getting over. If you're conscious that you are mortal, and
it's a limited amount of time, naturally you would tweak up your energies to such a level
that time would be enhanced for you. Otherwise, if you think you are here forever,
you think you're an eternal being, then you have time for all kinds of rubbish that you
don't care for. If you knew it is very limited, you wouldn't
do one thing that doesn't matter to you, isn't it? Hello? Would you have… if you really knew… see,
every day, nearly quarter million people die on this planet, just by natural process. And you think those people are all thinking
tomorrow morning, I will die. Hello? You think so? No. Lot of people are going to their office, somebody
was going home, somebody had all kinds of dreams, young people, old people all sorts
of people die every day in the world. If you knew that it is possible, it's not
my wish, I’ll bless you with a long life but it’s possible tomorrow morning you and
me could be dead, isn't it? Hello? Possible or no? Is not our wish, possible or no? If you know it is possible that, it is possible
tomorrow morning I could be dead, would you have time to quarrel with somebody? Would you have time to bicker with someone
else? Do some nonsense that doesn't matter to you? You would do only what truly, truly matters
to you. If every moment of your life if you're doing
what really, really matters to you, you will live a wonderful life (Applause). Matthew Hayden: Beautifully said. So you can assume that, with that philosophy,
you're extremely cause driven. And, you know, the Isha Foundation is, is
obviously a huge vehicle for you to express that. But I wanna talk specifically about water
and what your vision for… for the conservation of water and some of the things that you're
doing… proactively doing within the causes and that relationship as well with in particular
your heartlands of Tamil Nadu and also Karnataka. Sadhguru: See I grew up in Karnataka around
Cauvery river. About four and a half years, every day I swam
in Cauvery river, when I was between… somewhere between fourteen, fourteen to eighteen, nineteen
at that time, almost every day, I swam in Cauvery river. Once I floated down Cauvery for thirteen days
on four truck tubes and a few bamboos. I lived off the river. In my experience, the river was not some kind
of a resource or water source or something. In my experience, she was a life much larger
than me. People like you and me come and go but this
river has flown for a million years. But today we have brought her down to her
knees in such a way that the rivers survival is in a big… is a big question mark. This is not just for one river this has happened
across the country. Just to give some kind of a picture for people
here, they may not be conscious of this. See, we must understand this in India, this
is a tropical country, that means river is not the source of water, it is only a destination
for water. River, pond, lake, well, these are not sources
of water, these are destinations for water. There is only one source called monsoon. Monsoon rain is the only source, it gathers
in the land in various forms. If it is flowing we call it a river, if it
is stagnant we call it a lake, if it goes inside we call it a well, but essentially
it is all rain water. Only four percent of Indian river water is
glacial water in the north, in that four percent nearly three percent of it flows out of the
country very quickly in the form of Sutlej and Indus, very little comes to Ganga. For example, Ganga… Ganga is twenty-five percent of India's geography,
thirty-three percent of India's agriculture, but has depleted over thirty-seven percent
because we have removed ninety-two percent of green cover in the Ganga basin in the last
sixty-five years. Ninety-two percent, what is the plan? Narmada has depleted over sixty percent, Godavari
has depleted over forty percent, Krishna has depleted over seventy percent, almost seven
months of the year it's almost dry throughout. Cauvery has depleted, according to studies
forty to forty-four percent. But in my personal experience, see they are
studying this like this, the entire years water flow so many million liters or trillion
liters and compared to how it was fifty years ago, now it’s gone down forty percent, but
leave the monsoon time, at that time there is water. Let's say you take September, October, in
the month of October if you go and see Cauvery how it is today is only twenty-five to thirty
percent of what it was when I was ten years old. This has happened because we’ve removed
eighty-seven percent of the green cover, simply, rampantly, one thing is agriculture. I remember this very well forty years ago
when I was in, living on a farm at that time, it was very common for every farmer to have
at least a few trees on his land. This was his insurance, in Karnataka, especially
this culture was very strong, where they will name the tree after their daughter or their
son. They say this is for the girl, this is for
the boy, this is like this. So when the girls marriage comes, they will
chop one tree, wedding is taken care of. Boy wants to go to the university, one tree,
that is taken care of. So always trees were there in the farmland. But forty years ago when really this chemical
fertilizers came in a big way, till then we were very organic, when chemical fertilizers
came, I know this very well because I've heard people coming and campaigning. These companies came and campaigned in the
villages of India saying that if you have trees in the land their root systems are aggressive,
they will eat up all the fertilizer, you have to take away the trees. So we took away millions and millions of trees
across farmlands because they thought chemical fertilizer will be wasted on the trees. So today we've come to a place where groundwater
has depleted tremendously, river water is going away, every water source is just depleting. But in the last hundred years, there is no
big change in the amount of rain that is being… that is happening in the subcontinent. So the rain that is coming is the same it
is just our ability to hold it in the land is gone because the green cover is gone. Without the necessary organic content you
cannot hold the green… water in the soil. When rain comes, how slowly it moves towards
the river will determine how long the river will flow in the year, how many months it
will flow. If it moves rapidly within three months it
will be over, it goes slowly it will flow for twelve months, this is all the thing is. There is a very wonderful… I can do another googly, Tamil googly for
you (Both laugh). In Tamil language there is an ancient saying
which says, (Speaks in Tamil- not transcribed), this means only if Cauvery comes walking,
she brings wealth and prosperity, if she comes running, she'll bring disaster. So how do you make a river walk? If a river has to walk there has to be substantial
vegetation that the water that comes down in the form of rain is held in the land and
slowly it moves towards the river. Today this whole understanding of river systems
is been lost completely, because if you say rivers, so many… I see so many people of Indian origin, you
ask them what are the rivers, they will name seven, eight, ten, twelve rivers, major rivers,
they will say Ganga, Narmada, Godavari, Krishna, Cauvery, but you need to understand a river
doesn't exist by itself. For example, Cauvery has over one-hundred-and-twenty
tributaries. And most of these tributaries don't even flow
for three to four months in a year. They were all perennial streams, but today
most of them are not flowing more than three to four months. Cauvery is not touching the ocean for over
six months, she is receding by the year. This is happening mainly because there is
no green cover. So this project what we have taken up called
Cauvery Calling is an offshoot of Rally for Rivers. Rally for Rivers was done with the intent
of changing the policy framework. We are hundred percent successful in this
because the policy that we offered to the Central Government was accepted in total,
they put it through the scientific tests, and then the economic tests, and they found
it as an ideal policy and this was recommended for all the twenty-nine states as official
policy (Applause). About four states are proactively pursuing
this policy. Another three to four states we have Memorandum
of Understanding, and we are working with them. But many other states are just not doing anything
about it, though… because a river is a concurrent subject between Federal Government and the
State Government. Center can only advise, it's the State which
needs to act. So where they have not acted, there you see
serious water issues. So now Cauvery Calling is a different level
of project, we have taken another project in Maharashtra, you wouldn't know there's
a place called Yavatmal, there's a Waghari river. Are there Marathi people? So, this is known in the country, unfortunately
as the suicide capital of the country, of India, because maximum number of farmer suicides
happened. Now in Tamil Nadu and Karnataka this is becoming
a, you know, like a regular yearly score is happening. Today in Tamil Nadu eighty-three percent of
the farmers are considered to be under distressed loans. Seventy-seven percent of Karnataka farmers
are under distressed debt. What a distressed debt means… what a distressed
debt is, is that they have no means to pay the money which they have taken. It doesn't matter how much farming they do
they have no means to pay. This means either they have to sell the land
or run away somewhere or hang from a tree. This is the options we're giving them. We're driving a whole mass of people in this
direction. This has happened for variety of reasons,
but the fundamental reason is lack of rich soil, what was a very fertile soil, you know,
we have farmed the same land for over 12,000 years. But today in one generation, we're turning
it into a desert like space, mainly because the only way you can enrich the land is by
the leaves of the trees, and by the animal waste. Trees are gone long time ago, animals are
all traveling to other countries. Now there is no leaves, there's no animal
waste, there is no way to recoup this soil. Out of one-hundred-and-sixty million hectares
of arable land in India one-hundred-and-four million hectares have been identified as distressed
soil, because there is no leaf, there is no animal waste. If we don't put back trees back in the soil,
if you don't bring animals back into the farm, we will… our ability to grow food will be
completely gone. This is one of the greatest achievements in
India, without any modern science or technological advancements, just with sheer traditional
knowledge, our illiterate farmer has grown food for over a billion people for the last
seventy years. But today we are driving him to the wall (Applause),
to such a place. So the plan for Cauvery Calling is just this,
we want to convert one-third of this 83,000 square kilometers into agro forestry. We've already converted about 70,000 Tamil
farmers into agro forestry, their incomes in five to seven years have gone up anywhere
between three to eight times, that is, I'm talking about three-hundred to eight-hundred
percent increase in income, simply growing trees in one-third of the land. So we want to bring this to the entire region
(Applause). The challenges to bring about… see we can
go like this 70,000 happened every year, 1,000 - 2,000 people are going into it. If you go at this rate, we will take two to
three generations. Now with Cauvery Calling, I'm trying to crush
time into twelve years. Twelve year project this is. In twelve years, we want to see that 2.42
billion trees are planted by the farmers in the region. If we do this, the water that is sequestered
by this, this is proper scientific studies are there, will be something like nine to
twelve trillion liters. To give you some perspective, the entire water
flow in Cauvery per year is 21.2 trillion. So if twelve trillion liters extra go into
the land, river will flow once again full on, all the groundwater will be replenished,
people will live well. See if you don't know what I'm talking about,
many of you who live in cities may not understand what I'm saying. Just go out, you have outback, walk in hot
sun for some time, whole day you walk, just come under a tree and sit. It's magic. Life changes just like that. If you have ever really walk long distances,
you will understand what I'm talking, you just go under a tree after hot sun and sit
there, life changes. This life changing, you know, wealth that
we always had, the entire region was tropical forest. Unfortunately, in shortsightedness, we have
removed but we can put it back, it's possible to do it. We need everybody’s support to do this,
in Tamil Nadu we need Matt (Applause). Matthew Hayden: Thank you. I’ll pledge my support. We had a in the lead up to this a little technological
discussion and one of those was that I was requested by Sadhguru to, to invest and that's
a pledge that I wanna… I think it's an incredible cause (Applause). I also had a little bit of fun with, with
other heavy influences in India, Anand Mahindra in particular and he, he requested a question. Anand Mahindra, for those that don't know
is, in control of the largest Solar and Agribusiness in the world. And as a business they're very conscious on,
on water, being water neutral, which is fantastic for such a influential individual but he asked
me, not so much on policy and not so much on company, he asked from an individual’s
perspective, what one can be doing, because with those discussions I'm sure everyone,
you know, living in Australia, will understand this, are very similar discussions as to how
it is that we need to take control of our resource and, and almost in, in many ways
elevated above a political cycle of four years and put it on a national agenda because we
are, you know, in, in as dire straits as, as what any other country is(Applause) Now,
I love to cook and I know one thing about rice… Sadhguru: I'm a good cook (Laughter). Matthew Hayden: Well, you can… we can have
a cook off. Not, not a competition, just enrichment… Sadhguru: Cook off? Yes, yes… Matthew Hayden: … enrichment experience. Now one of the processes of cooking rice,
unless you want extremely sticky rice, is to wash the heck out of it, to ensure those
starches come out. But my question is from Anand, and I asked
you as well to share, what on an individual level can we do about water wastage? Sadhguru: See, because the urban populations
always have access to media, social media, they dominate everything, but they are not
the majority of the population. I'm saying this because… it's like this,
most people who have seen, older generation of people who have seen Indian movies, they
will see the village woman are carrying a pot and walking to the river or lake and walking
and there the hero goes and romances them, they sing a song everything, but for the actor,
she's carrying an empty pot (Laughter). The real woman is carrying fifteen kilograms
on her head. Yes! There is no romance there. She cannot open her mouth and sing (Laughter). What I'm saying is the crisis has been long
coming. We thought it's romantic when it happens to
somebody else. But now you have to take your pot and go in
Chennai city to get water, now it's looking like a disaster. Hello? This was happening everywhere in the villages. So what can we do? There are many things we can do, of course
everybody's talking about drink only two liters of water, have a bath only with four liters
of water, all this. I will not say such things to anybody. I would just say, just be conscious. Just be conscious, water is not a commodity,
nor food is a commodity, this… these are life making material. Hello, hello? Participants: Yes. Sadhguru: Seventy percent of you is water,
this is you. How come when it's here (Gestures) you don't
care, the moment it comes here (Gestures) it means so much? You just be conscious, this is life, this
is life making material. If you're conscious of this, I know according
to your intelligence, your life situations you will do your best. It's not in me to tell people drink only this
many liters of water, don't have shower every day, these advices are coming all over the
place. No, I shower every day (Matthew laughs), so
I'm not going to tell you shower once in three days (Laughter). Nor if you shower once in three days I don't
want you around me either (Laughter). So leaving that aside in the cities, see the
city situation is different, the urban situation is very different. They are thinking of water about how to minimize
the use. Yes, definitely that needs to happen because
this is a pressure on the waterworks, the water arrangements that you have in the urban
atmosphere. But that's not the real problem. The real problem is ecological. Ecological problem is not just about saving
water, ecological problem is about having water where you want. When I say having water where you want, in
the last million years… million year… million years ago, how much water existed
on this planet, even today the same amount of water exists on the planet except for a
few bottles of water that the astronauts took out there and… (Matthew laughs), you know, they left it on
the moon, I believe, some of them…the American astronauts, they might have left a couple
of liters. Apart from that, everything is here in this
atmosphere. It's just not where you want it, that's all. Yes? Water is not gone anywhere, it's in the atmosphere. As you said, you were wading through water
in the Chennai golf course, but it's not coming where it has to come (Matthew Laughs). So water is not where you want it. So we need to look at this, why is it? Where do you want it? You want it in the land, you want the aquifers
to be full, you want the lakes to be full, you want the rivers to be running. It is not about the water tank on your apartment,
that's not the point. That is a city problem, that is an urban problem,
which needs to be sorted out where usage has to be minimized, that is fine, we appreciate
those concerns. But the most important thing is to ensure
the water that comes down in the form of rain - considering India right now, the volume
of water that comes down in the form of rain, we are not even holding eighteen to twenty
percent of it in the land. When the whole thing was tropical forest,
we were holding over seventy percent of it in the land. Today we are holding less than twenty percent
of it in the land. That's all the real problem is. So right now, instead of doing many things,
yes in the cities, save water, be conscious about it, recycle whatever you can. Well, you have water harvesting in your apartments
and ___ (Sounds like – stuff?) in your buildings, all this is fine, you must do these things. But this is not a real solution. You're just kicking the can for tomorrow. Now kicking the can for tomorrow, I don't
like, because you think the problems that you create the next generation should suffer. Hello? I don't like this. Better face it now. This is the reality. The only and only thing I'm telling you it
doesn't matter… this is not some rocket science, the only and only thing the land
needs is, it needs vegetation and it needs animals, that's all it needs. People will say check-dam, right now everybody
is announcing check-dams across streams and rivers. See, you need to understand this, all these
ideas are coming from Europe and North America, where the variation between summer and full
river seasons are just about twenty to twenty-five percent. That means eighty percent to…seventy-five
to eighty percent its always there. In India between monsoon and summer, the variation
is ninety percent. If you build check-dams you will transform
a river into a string of pools, near every town and city you build a check-dam in the
end what you have is a string of pools, at a temperature which is around over thirty-five
degrees, if you stagnate water, in thirty days’ time… if the water is flowing, it
doesn't have so much evaporation, if you stagnate the water in thirty days, the evaporation
could be up to fifty-five to sixty percent. So, these big dams have been a big disaster. We did these things at one time and we did
not know much about this. Now, the science of hydrology has evolved
in a significant way. Right now, everybody knows one-third of the
land needs to go under shade, this is very important. So for this, we are talking about just Cauvery
basin… Cauvery basin as a demo, that this can be
done. If there is determination in the people this
can be done. Once this happens, because it's so lucrative
to the farmer, it will spread across the country, nobody can stop it because it's so lucrative. Right now India is importing over 70,000 crores
worth of timber and over 120 crores, I'm sorry, one lakh or 120,000 crores worth of timber
products. But nobody's allowed to grow timber because
if you grow a tree in your land and cut it, somebody will come and arrest you. So nobody wants to grow a tree. Right now we are bringing laws as a part of
Rally for Rivers, we're pushing for laws. In the last term of the government, we got
eighteen species released, this time, we're getting all the high value trees released
because if a farmer cannot use the tree, he's not going to grow it, as simple as that. So we're talking about - whatever he grows
he can cut it and use it whichever way he wants, only then he's going to grow trees
in a massive way across the country, because it's economically lucrative. It's an economic plan for him (Applause),
but has ecological significance. So right now, if everybody focuses on this
one thing, we are, I don't know how it converts to Australian dollar, you should know you
visited Chennai… Matthew Hayden: It always confuses me, lakhs
and…(Both laugh) Sadhguru: It costs just forty-two rupees to
raise a sapling and give it to a farmer. We are asking for the governments to give
some incentives so that they can switch over. For the first three to four years, to give
an incentive, this will make a huge difference both for the farmer and the land. Forty-two rupees per sapling, that's what
it costs. But I want you to understand, we need to plant
2.42 billion trees. That is the number of saplings, first four
years we want to raise seven-hundred-and-thirty million saplings, for this preparations are
going on all across the Cauvery basin, right now. We have thirty-three nurseries in Tamil Nadu. The Karnataka nurseries are being built up
just now. If this one thing we do, for me, how I'm looking
at it is, at least we must leave Cauvery the way the previous generation gave it to us. This much responsibility we must have (Applause). Matthew Hayden: Just to close the loop on
that how, how can, how can these guys make a difference? Sadhguru: Well, you can plant as many trees
as you can. Forty-two rupees is all it costs. I don't know what it costs, can somebody say,
in Australian dollars? Participants: Less than a dollar. Sadhguru: Less than a dollar per tree? So you can plant, ten, hundred, thousand,
million, whatever you're capable off. Everything matters even one matters. Matthew Hayden: Have we got a roving mic? Can we take any questions? Sadhguru: Yeah, is there a moving microphone? Matthew Hayden: That would be...It'd be lovely
to hear. We've done a lot of talking and we'll do a
bit more but it'd be lovely to hear some specific questions. So maybe, I don't know who is the judge, you
maybe you can be the judge. So yeah, here we go. Questioner: Thank you very much Sadhguru for
coming to Australia. So my question is regarding… because I've
been following most of your videos, so you always mentioned about the need to…collaboration
of other people to be successful. So you always mentioned that to be success…
successful, that's the only time that we need a collaboration of other people. For other things like our energy and our emotions,
everything can come from within. My question is that, because environment and
other people, and society and everything can have… can have effects on our emotions as
well and our energy, how to manage that and not be affected by the environment? So how… how to be calm and happy and not
be affected by surroundings, so how to separate these things together from each other? Sorry, thank you very much. Sadhguru: This a… very often people come
to me and say, “Sadhguru, I can't stand my mother-in-law, she's impossible. My husband after all, her son. My wife, she's terrible. My boss unbearable,” like this. Then I tell them, ”You come, you come to
the yoga center. Your mother-in-law, husband, wife, boss, nobody
will come here just you. We’ll give you a nice place to stay, good
food to eat. You don't have to do anything. Just stay in your room. We supply food for you. You just live there. Only thing is I will make random checks on
you. When I check, you must be joyful. If you're miserable, I don't believe in feeding
misery, we’ll stop feeding you” (Matthew Laughs). Just twenty-four hours you keep them in one
place, in how many ways they twist themselves out. Unbelievable. So I'm asking you, all these other people,
your neighbors, your mother-in-law, your husband, your wife, your boss, your coworkers, let's
banish all of them, all are gone, whole society is gone. Just you on the island of Australia… (Laughter) blissed out, is it so? Hello? No. If you're alone also you're miserable, you
need to understand this. If you're alone and you're miserable, you're
obviously in bad company, isn't it (Laughter)? So this is what you need to do with yourself
, that if you sit here, you're experience of life is pleasant. Well, obviously, from what you said you have
probably heard this in some format. See pleasantness means just this, body is
healthy, it's pleasant - it became very pleasant this called pleasure. Mind is pleasant, peaceful - very pleasant,
joyful. Emotion is pleasant love - very pleasant,
compassion. Your very life energies are pleasant, bliss
- very pleasant, ecstasy. These are all one-hundred percent your business,
isn't it? Hello? Keeping your body pleasant, thought pleasant,
emotion pleasant, energies pleasant, is one-hundred percent your business. Keeping the surroundings pleasant is a challenge,
because there are various kinds of people, various kinds of forces. This needs skill, this needs opportunity,
this needs… depends what times we exist in, you know, not always we can do the same
things. So, creating pleasantness around us needs
a certain amount of skill, competence, various things, things have to fall together, otherwise
it won't happen. But pleasantness within you is entirely your
business. So if you are feeling very pleasant within
you and somebody here is being unpleasant to you, what is the problem? Right now, they can cause pleasantness within
you, that's the problem, isn't it? Hello? See if somebody can decide whether you can
be happy or unhappy, this means this is the worst form of slavery, isn't it so? Hello? Somebody can decide what happens within you,
what kind of life is this? What happens within you must be entirely yours. What happens around you is never entirely
yours, isn't it? Even if you are just two people in the family,
does it happen hundred percent your way? Why are you nodding like this, what is…
you're not married then (Laughter). Even if there are two people it doesn't happen
your way, isn't it? Little bit your way, little bit somebody else's
way, little bit this way. I'm glad it doesn't happen all your way because
if everything happened your way, where do I go (Laughter)? Little bit your way, a little bit my, way
a little bit his way, little bit somebody’s way, this is the nature of the world. World should not happen hundred percent your
way. But this one life must happen your way, isn't
it? Hello? So this has not been done (Applause). Now, for you to be happy you want to fix the
whole world. No, no, I'm telling you, both your joy and
misery comes from within you, isn't it? Hello? So if you're miserable, who should be fixed,
I'm asking? No, my mother-in-law, if we fix her also,
something else will come, somebody else will come. Don't think there is only one mother in law
in the world, they're all over the place (Laughter). They're all over the place , in so many people
will take on that position. So, if you fix this one person… see, we
don't know what great things you will do or not. We do not know whether you will score three-hundred-and-eighty
runs in a test match or not, okay? We don't know. We don't know whether you will run faster
than Mr. Bolt or not. We don't know whether you will climb Mount
Everest or not. We don't know whether you will become richest
man in the world or not, whether you will become the most beautiful woman on the planet or not. We don't know those things. But at least this much you deserve, that your
experience of life on this planet is pleasant. This much you deserve, this much must happen, isn't it? Other things are subject to so many realities. That's not always determined by us. There many things have to fall into place. Matthew Hayden: Next question, poor our mother-in-law
gets a bit of the bad run, doesn’t she? There's a there's a species of fish in our
water called the mother-in-law and apparently it even tastes bad (Laughter). Where's our microphone? Questioner(Harsha): Namaskaram, namaskaram Sadhguru. My name is Harsha. I'm actually from Melbourne and I'm very,
very lucky to see you here. And hello to Matt, yourself, I'm a big fan
of yours as well, like many of us here are (Applause). Sadhguru my question is about boundlessness. Earlier today you mentioned that there is
something within us that is seeking to, to be to, to express in different ways
and it comes as different forms. Every morning when I get up, there are always
two voices at least and while I know that, I'm sorry, one of the things that you said
is ultimately, you will have to come to yoga because you've tried everything. Every morning when I get up, I find that there's
these two voices, it says, “You have time” and sometimes it says “You don't have time.” Sadhguru: You're married? Questioner(Harsha):Yes. Sadhguru: I understand what's the other voice
(Laughter). Questioner(Harsha): So Sadhguru, I think my
question to you after, after knowing you for a bit, and also, we were talking about life,
sort of continuing in death, and so on and so forth. The question I suppose is,
how much time do we really have? I mean, and of course, why, why doesn't it…
why it’s not there in my experience because every morning when I still get up I’m like, yeah, I've got time I can…I can get to yoga one day or the other and still be able to make it. But the reality seems to me that you know,
there is not much time (Sadhguru laughs). Sadhguru: See, first and foremost thing that
you need to understand is - you're an individual. An individual means you're not further divisible. This is it, this is one unit. In this body, there's one person or two people. Hello? Now don't look at your wife and say that,
you can tell me it's okay (Laughter). One or two? Only one. If you're feeling two, this means you're either
schizophrenic or you're possessed (Laughter). You need either a psychiatrist or an exorcist. Don't do that to yourself. Don't do this two voice business because initially
it looks like good entertainment, after some time if it takes on, it’s very painful. Mental illnesses are not fun. Everybody plays with it, see when you get
angry with somebody, and what you want happened, what do you tell your friend, “You know,
I got mad with him and he did what I wanted.” Well you got mad temporarily and you came
back, suppose you couldn't come back. It'll happen one day, if you keep crossing
the line too often, because the line between sanity and insanity is very thin. If you cross it, one day if you're not able
to come back… see between health and ill health, is it very thin the line, any moment,
things can happen to us, either from outside or inside, something can happen. Similarly, the line between sanity and insanity
is very thin. Most people don't realize this how thin it
is. Don't walk on that line, keep away from that
line. Stay on the sanity side. It's very important that you don't get mad
temporarily at somebody because you crossed, and if you can't come back, what do you do? Then, you're gone, isn't it? So two voices are not good. There's only one person here. Only one, right? Only one inside, this is an individual. You cannot further divide this. The moment you divide this, you're asking
for ill health of some kind. Don't do that. Now… (Applause) how much time do I have? Well, one voice is saying you got time, so
eliminate the other one - you don't have time. This is not about fun, but I want you to understand
this, it's like this, if you… can I tell you a story? Okay? Because you think this is a serious question,
I want you to just understand this one thing, why a whole lot of human beings have become
a mess is, they've taken themselves too seriously. They don't understand, before they came here,
countless number of people lived on this planet and no sign of them, they're all top soil
now, and this one also will be top soil. You’re just a small pop up. Hello? You just a small pop up and you will pop out. But you are taking yourself too seriously. Believe me, if the whole solar system evaporates
tomorrow morning, it is not even missed in the universe, that's how big it is. And that's how small we are. So don't take yourself too seriously. Yes, this life is important for us. Why? Because every life is seeing how to find its
full potential, for that it's important. Not thinking something big of you is there
in this world, nothing like that. See if there were dinosaurs in Australia,
they would treat you just like ants, isn't it? Suppose you're walking on the street, colony
of ants are going, you just step on it and go, one guy is dead, one guy is half dead,
one guy is cut into half, you don't care, because they just ants. So if they were bigger animals than you, they
would treat you the same way. They wouldn't even eat the whole of you, tch. They wouldn't even treat you with any dignity. They would just eat one part and throw the
other part and go on, like how you waste food. They would also do it, so much population,
now if the dinosaur comes he has a feast (Laughter), isn’t? So do not take yourself so seriously. This is the biggest problem, that you've taken
yourself too seriously. You just a smaller pop up. The important thing is just this, it is the
generosity of creation that it's given you an individual experience. Do not misunderstand that, do not misunderstand
this is to make you significant. This is just to understand life is significant,
that's all. You just a bubble, you just a bubble, it will
pop anytime. Well, it may last hundred years, hundred years
is nothing in the world. Hello? You may think hundred years I lived long and
did so many things. Nothing, many idiots on this planet thought
like you and me, they thought they are very important too, Alexander the Greats have come,
where are they? So they were telling me about, you know, I
was in Greece and they were saying “Alexander went to India...”, I said don't worry, he
came to India all right, but an Indian mosquito, that too a female (Gestures)… gone the Emperor
(Laughter/Applause). He died of malaria. So do not underestimate a small mosquito it
can kill you. Matthew Hayden: See, we found something worse
than a mother-in-law then, haven’t we (Laughter)? Sadhguru: No, that, there is a thing about,
tch, why are we going against mother-in-laws… (Conversation overlap)? Matthew Hayden: Oh, I don’t know, we need
to move on (Both laugh). Sadhguru: Between in-laws and out-laws, out-laws
are wanted (Laughter/Applause). Matthew Hayden: We need a mic somewhere... I can point but… Sadhguru: See mother means how much attachment
and emotion is there. Same, mother-in-law means so much problem
(Matthew laughs), yes, we need to look at this, why are we like this (Both laugh)? Matthew Hayden: Please some… I’m gonna point like this it’s… there
is going to be five people saying “Yes it’s me.” You just need a mic to go some... Questioner: Hello. Sadhguru: Where are you? Questioner: May I ask the question? Here, right here, please. Sadhguru: Right here? Questioner: Yeah, yeah, it's a little… Sadhguruji, thank you very much for your enlightening,
you know, speech this evening. Thanks Matthew. I got a little bit technical question in terms
of, I know the boundary, when you say boundaries, probably the memory is one of the biggest
boundary, and you mentioned Patanjali earlier, Patanjali, in a funny way, he says - anubhutha
vishaya asamba moshaha smuthaya, as a thing that, as a part of a chitta, and again at
the same time he says – shradha veerya smruti samathi pragna poorvakaithare sham, so he
wants it, for you to have the memory, at the same time it is the boundary we have to come
out of. Can you please explain (Applause)? Sadhguru: Oh, you like the question, hmm (Both
laugh)? Matthew Hayden: It’ll want to be a good
answer, the expectations clearly are high. Sadhguru: Let’s… lets…let's chew some
fat on this one (Laughter/Applause). Matthew Hayden: Yeah, there you go, in the
middle of___ (Unclear, Aussie slang) (Laughter). Sadhguru: See you are who you are only because
of memory. There's conscious memory, there is unconscious
memory, articulate and inarticulate levels of memory, there is genetic memory, there
is evolutionary memory, there is elemental memory, atomic memory. Everything is built into this. Matthew Hayden: Muscle memory. Sadhguru: Hmm? Matthew Hayden: Muscle memory. Sadhguru: That is what I said, inarticulate
memory it is, it is there. Your entire head to toe is just memory. You don't remember consciously, how your great
great great grandfather or grandmother looked ten generations ago, but his or her nose is
sitting on your face right now, it is not forgotten for a moment. Hello? It even remembers the skin tone. How your forefathers were a million years
ago, still remembers everything, isn't it? So your structure is like this because of
memory. Your body is memory. Every cell in your body has more memory than
your brains has, a million times more actually. So, this, what you call as me is just memory. If you lose your memory, you don't know who
you are, isn't it? Hmm? And the only thing that most people are suffering
is their memory. See, it's only the human beings who have such
a vivid sense of conscious memory. Even a grasshopper has memory, but conscious
memory is very little in him. But you have a vivid sense of conscious memory. Because of this life and life's experience
is rich, of course today all the memory is on your phone (Matthew laughs). But even those machines that we created of
computers and phones and whatever, is only to enhance our memory, isn't it? Because we saw the value of memory. So memory is the maker of who you are. You are who you are only because of your memory. There is no memory, right now if your memory
goes away, you don't know who's your mother, who is your father, who is your husband, who
is your wife, who is your children, where you belong, your nation, your race, religion,
nothing, everything is in your memory, isn't it so? Including your God and devil, all in your
memory, yes or no? If you lose memory, you don't know anything. So memory is a tremendous possibility. At the same time it is a boundary. It's a certain knowledge that you accumulated,
information that you’ve accumulated. So in yoga, we have a very powerful tool,
this will be a little hard for you to chew, hmm? See, your knowledge, you are well educated,
let us say you studied all the libraries on the planet, still, your knowledge is a miniscule
compared to this cosmos, isn't it so? If you identify with that miniscule of knowledge,
you will become a miniscule, because what you identify with you become that in some
way, isn't it? Hmm? Whatever you identify with strongly, you become
that, if you identify with your miniscule knowledge, you become a miniscule existence. But our ignorance is boundless. If you identify with your ignorance, you will
become boundless because there are no borders for your ignorance. Your knowledge has a boundary. Your ignorance has no boundary, isn't it? But it takes a certain amount of dispassion
and involvement in the life that you are to come to this space where you identify with
your ignorance. If you identify with your ignorance your intelligence
cannot sleep, it will be always on. See, right now if I ask any one of you to
walk from here to there, you will effortlessly walk. Because you can see. Suppose we turn off the lights and its pitch
dark. Now if I ask you to walk, now you're super
alert, isn't it? Hello? You're super alert. Matt was telling me, when he is batting, it’s
like meditation because it's not a ball, it's a missile, it's… on the television it’s
a ball, on the pitch it's a missile, somebody is trying to knock your head off. Yes, it's a hard ball, It's coming anywhere
between hundred-and-twenty-five to hundred-and-fifty, sixty kilometers per hour, and it doesn't
come straight, it pitches and takes its own shape, whichever way it wants or whichever
way the other monster intends. It's a hard game, people are watching on the
television and thinking cricket is some nice game. It's a very hard game. And it's a missile. You just have a split second, if you're not
super alert, you are gone. Either you go to the pavilion, or go to the
hospital. These days there is a helmet, you don't go
to the morgue. One time they went to the morgue. Now they go to the hospital with a broken
bone or something. So this is the same, the moment you are…
you do not know what's going to happen right now, you're super… super alert, isn't it? Hello? Its pitch dark, you don't know where your
foot is going, super alert or no? This is what ignorance means. This is the power, or this is the intelligence
of ignorance that if you identify with your ignorance, your intelligence cannot sleep,
even if your body sleeps, it cannot sleep, it's always on. But if you identify with your knowledge, it
sleeps. Because conclu… knowledge is a kind of conclusion
you have drawn. Once you draw a conclusion you will sleep. Sleep is... is a shorter version of death,
isn't it in a way? Hello? You're dead to the world. Well you come back tomorrow morning, but at
that point, you don't exist, the world doesn't exist, when you're fast asleep. So in a way you're dying, how long you die
in a day is up to you. If you're dying eight hours a day, that means
one third of your life you've been dead. So if your intelligence become super alert,
you will see, one first thing that will happen to you is your sleep quota will come down
dramatically, because you become more and more conscious, because you are identified
with your ignorance. If you understand - I do not know, if you
really, it sinks into you that I do not know. Now, this is a tremendous possibility. Only if you see I do not know, the longing
to know, the seeking to know, and the possibility of knowing becomes a reality, isn't it? Everything I do not know I just believe, it
doesn't matter who said it, Patanjali said it, anybody said it - You don't know. Hello? Isn't it? You don't know. When you do not know, if you really allow
this to sink into you, actually you do not know a damn thing about anything in this universe. That's a fact, isn't it? For practical purposes we know but existentially
we don't know a damn thing. Now, you are identi… naturally identified
with your in… ignorance means naturally you're a seeker, you can't help. Always your intelligence is probing everything
that it sees, because you know that you do not know. But reading high school textbook if you think
you know entire world then there's a problem. Lot of people have gotten into this state
in the name of science. They read high… high school textbook, and
they think they're scientists. This happened, this happened in UK, it's a
social situation - oh why we’ll shift it to Australia. The scene. Matthew Hayden: Came a long way (Both laugh). Sadhguru: A social situation where lot of
people, socialites, were there, but a scientist also was there, he was not dressed like them,
it's not much care to his outward appearance. So they sat at the dinner table, a very high
fashion socialite lady sat next to him. “And may I ask you what do you do?” He said, I study science. “Oh, I was done with that in my high school”
(Laughter). So a scientist understands he's still studying
science. Only others think he's a scientist. He knows he's studying science because the
more you explore the more you realize how ignorant you are, it's not that more knowledgeable
you will become. More you'll realize how profound is your ignorance,
how boundless is your ignorance. So, this entire dimension of moving into an
intelligence which is beyond memory, the first and foremost step is this - that you have
not identified with what little you know, you're identified with that which you do not
know. Now your intelligence is on, slowly it will
become free from memory. Because memory means repetitiveness, isn't
it? Hello? Memory means repetitiveness, the same
things happening again and again. If memory determines the nature of your experience,
which usually does for ninety percent or more of the people, their memory decides the nature
of their experience, for this we say traditionally in India; karma case. You're sitting here, stomach is full or empty,
whichever way, nothing wrong, nobody is shooting bullets at you, you're fine, but you’re
little… (Gestures), why? You're chewing your own fat, am I getting
it (Laughter)? Matthew Hayden: Yeah, maybe that's where it
came from (Laughter/Applause). Sadhguru: So you're chewing your own memory
and making yourself happy or unhappy, whichever way, both ways, your karma. Karma means action. Action means; the residual action which remains
within you is memory, memory is not just conscious, it is at all levels. This residual memory is right now deciding
the trajectory of your life, to become free from that is a whole effort, which in complicated
language he said, and you all liked it. The important thing is, you break free from
this reti… residual impact. If you live out of your memory, no new possibilities
are there, you will do the same things in permutations and combinations but the same
thing. If something absolutely new has to happen
to you, you must be beyond your karmic memory, everything that stored in you, your genetic
memory, your evolutionary memory, you rose beyond that, now you have a completely new
vision of life. This is something that is possible for every
human being only thing is they have never paid attention to that. Just not paid attention to those aspects that’s
all, otherwise, it is not the exclusive right of any special, specially made human beings,
it's equally possible. I want you to understand this, when it comes
to external situations, maybe all of you cannot take a cricket bat and do what Matt does,
maybe you cannot take a motorcycle and do what I do or maybe you can't run like somebody
else or you can't do something else like someone else. When it comes to external realities, we are
all differently capable, isn't it? Hello? Is it a wrong word to use on you? Everyone of us is differently capable when
it comes to the outside world. But when it comes to the inner dimensions,
all of us are equally capable. It is just that most people have never paid
attention. They still believe that by fixing what's around
them, life will be fine. But I want you to understand this much, compared
to how people lived in this world a few generations ago, let's say a thousand years ago, or even
a hundred years ago, today in terms of comfort and convenience, are you not way, way, way
ahead, nobody even dreamt these things were possible, yes or no? But still, we're complaining. So much arrangement, so much arrangement,
so much arrangement that we're ripping the planet apart, but still, can you claim - are
you more joyful or more blissful than how people were hundred years ago? Can you? You more comfortable for sure, you know conveniences
that nobody knew. What even royalty could not afford, all of
you are having, most of you are driving chariots with four-hundred six-hundred horses (Laughter),
yes or no? But life has not changed. You must understand, it doesn't matter how
much arrangements you make, and also you must remember, in the end, there is no container
service, this is just for your information. There's no container service, because most
homes have turned into warehouses, just reminding, hmm (Applause). Matthew Hayden: Where is that mic, roving
mic gone? Please, someone. Participant: Right here. Well, I hope I don't sound silly asking this
question. How do you think positively in circumstances
or you know, external factors that are very negative, if I term it like that. I'll give you a specific situations… Sadhguru: No, no, don’t, don’t, I understand
those situations (Laughter). ___ (Unclear). Participant: No, I.. this is relevant to my
question. I'm giving you a specific, you know, situation
here. For example, you find out that your mother
or a close relative have been diagnosed with a, you know, serious life threatening disease. How do you cope? How do you think positive? How do you stay stable there? Thank you. Sadhguru: I know when somebody dear to us,
their life is threatened or something comes to them, injury, accident, disease, well,
will cause distress to yourself. But I want you to understand this, see this
is the nature of life, this is what I've been trying to remind you from the beginning in
this last, whatever hour and a half, that we need to understand this is a fragile happening,
this life. Right now it's on, the design of this life
is such, see inhalation-exhalation, inhalation-exhalation, next inhalation did not happen, this is gone,
back to the pavilion, hmm? You did nothing wrong, you just stood there,
but back to the pavilion, many times, isn't it? No weird shot, nothing, simply. It just nicked by itself and went off. So this is the case, this is the nature of
our existence. It is just that when somebody is dear to us,
we get so emotionally wrapped by this. This is simply because you have only one or
two or three or four people who are dear to you. I live a life where so many, I don't know
the number, so many people are very intimately, very profoundly, involved with me, on a daily
basis. So in my life, how many people that are dear
to me, I have buried, don't ask me. It's happening all the time, all right. So right now, the reason why you go through
life, the way you go through life is because your involvement is very selective. Very discriminatory. Only this one person you'll involve, because
I identify her as my mother. Only that person, because I identify him as
my brother. But if you knew larger involvement with life,
you would understand almost every day you lose somebody who's very dear to you. Yes, this is the case with me. Does it mean to say you have no emotion? Does it mean to say there is no sense of loss? No, all this is there. All of it is there. It is just that, if you are in terms with
the realities of your existence, you live one way. This is what I was trying to tell you in the
beginning itself, you think your psychological world is bigger than the existential creation. What this means is, your creation has become
more significant than the creator's creation. Once this happens, inevitably, you will suffer. If somebody is ill around us, what do we do? We do our best to turn them around, if it's
possible. If you cannot turn them around, you let them
go, gracefully. This is all you can do. Whether you cry, laugh, turn you… turn yourself on your, you know, upside down,
do whatever the hell you want, this is all that will happen, isn't it so? The question is just this, whatever comes
our way in our life, life will come, birth will come, death will come, disease will come,
defeat will come, victory will come, all kinds of things will come, if you're living an active
life, will you handle it gracefully or will you make a mess out of it? That's all the choice you have, isn't it? Do you have any other choice, I'm asking you? Whatever life throws at you is not your choice. What you make out of it is one-hundred percent
your choice, isn't it? This choice, you must exercise (Applause). This choice you must exercise. What life throws at you is not your choice. Who knows, what kind of ball is the next ball? You don't know, what life throws at you is
not your choice, what you make out of it is your choice. This is the power of being human, that you
can make what you want out of it. If, I'm saying, I know this is very hurtful
what I am saying, but you must decide whether you want solace or you want a solution to
your life. I am not somebody who will say pretty words
and give solace, I do that only to children. With children, if they say something, okay,
we'll hug them, hold them, do this. Well, if somebody is in grief, even if they're
adults, because when they are in grief, they become like children, so we treat them like
children, but you must decide in your life, whether you want solace or solution to your
life. If you want solution, there is one way to
approach, if you just want solace, we can give pretty words, but what will they do? With all the pretty words I will die, you
will die, isn't it? Solution is just this, we come to terms. This is why I'm saying, from being a physiological
and psychological drama, you have to become a phenomena of life. That's what you really are. What is the most important thing in your life
right now? That you're alive right now, isn't it so? Hello? Is that the most important thing? Life is the most important thing, not what
you wear, not what you parked outside, not the home that you're living in. Not anything else and not your thought and
emotion. What is most important is the life that you
are, but how much attention has gone into that dimension of life. If your attention was for that, you would
see your end… your involvement with life would be indiscriminate. Once your involvement is indiscriminate, you
will learn to handle everything gracefully. Right now when you're in distress, when somebody
dear to is ill, this sounds cruel, I know that. But I'm still taking the risk of saying you
this, saying this to you, because I want you to ponder upon this. Because this is all the choice we have, we
don't have a choice to decide what life throws at us. We have a choice to decide what we make out
of it (Applause). Matthew Hayden: ___ (Sounds like - Isn’t
it?) I think we've got time for another question. Participant: Namaskaram Sadhguru. Actually, I've asked to be over there for
few second. There's a thing I want… Sadhguru: What’s that? Participant: I just wants to be over there
for few second. Sadhguru: No, no, you can ask the question
from there. Participant: Can I, be over there for few
second? Sadhguru: Oh, then why did you take the microphone
(Matthew laughs)? Microphone is to speak long distance. See, you don't go next to somebody and take
phone and talk to each other (Laughter). Please, somebody who has a question. This lady, here, here. Participant: Hi Sadhguru, welcome to Australia. And I have a question. Sometimes we get in a situation when we're
surrounded by people who is have a very high expectation to, in terms of us. And when we cannot fulfill the expectation
you start feel a very terrible feeling of guilt. And it's okay when it’s your mother in law,
you can kind of cope with that (Matthew laughs). But sometimes it's your parents for example… Sadhguru: I have… I have no problem… I have nothing against her, I just joking
(Laughter). Participant: And sometimes it's the people
who's very close to you, like your parents and you cannot really fulfill the expectation
because you would like to do in your life what you want to do, and obviously it's not
what they want, and how to cope with that feeling of guilt. And also, what do you think whats kind of
relationship should be between the parents and the children? Thank you. Sadhguru: That reminds me of something, see
one thing is it's not just between parents and children, just about every relationship,
everywhere, people have all kinds of weird expectations. It's like this; a lady went to the butcher
shop and all this chicken which were hanging upside down, dressed chicken. Poor chicken, feathers are their dress, you
rip it off and say they're dressed (Matthew laughs). So she went to this chicken and lifted one
leg, smelled, wrinkled her nose, lifted a wing, wrinkled her nose, like this she was
going from chicken to chicken. It was having an effect on the rest of the
customers. So the butcher saw it's having an effect,
so he went and tapped on her shoulder. She turned around. So he asked, “Mam, can you pass a test like
that” (Laughter)? So a whole lot of people are always busy putting
everybody to test that they themselves cannot pass. Especially parents, parents think all the
things that they could not do, they must achieve through their children. So they should have bread race horses (Laughter). I want you to understand this, children are
not your property. Tch, it's… it's a privilege, another life
came through you, hmm? You must enjoy it. Do your best to nourish it. What it becomes is not your business. Your business is to support it, create a wonderful
atmosphere around it. Create an ambience where it grows well. I'm using the word ‘it’ consciously. Like a tree, like a plant, you just create
the nourishment that it needs, it grows. Well, is it going to bear apples, pears, mangoes
or just flowers or just nothing, we don't know. Only thing is, your wish is, they must grow
to their full potential. They are not an extension of your ambitions. They are not and they need not be. So this is because people think they own their
children. No, they're not your property. I think these days they're telling you, older
generation hesitated to say this, this generation by the time they're ten they're telling you,
“You got no business to tell me what to do”(Laughter). So does it mean to say you don't say anything
to them? No, it's your business to see, because if
you don't guide them, somebody else will, on the street or somebody will do it long
distance on the internet, all kinds of creatures are out there, all right? So yes, to protect them, to nourish them,
to allow them to explore their possibilities, it is your business to do that as a parent. But parent’s concern maybe what will happen,
what will happen, what will happen? I… my dear father, he's ninety-five, he's
a physician. In his mind, that generation of Indians will
understand that, unless you become a physician, you're no good. So I was no good (Matthew laughs). But that was good for me. Because when you're no good, nobody pays enough
attention, that's all I wanted (Laughter), that they leave me alone (Both laugh). So I'm just saying, you know, he's always
worried what will happen to this boy? His concern is this, this boy has no fear
in his heart what will happen? So one day when I was eleven years of age,
he said this, you know, I came home with a twelve foot cobra - he was my friend. And he said, this boy has no fear in his heart,
what will happen? Then I asked him, when did fear become a virtue? When did this happen? He said, “See, I told you, he has no fear
in his heart.” I said, that's fine, but when did fear become
a virtue? Why is it like this? Why fear, anger, all these things have become
virtues is it? Tell me when you go through fear, is it fantastic? Hello? Is one of the most terrible emotions you can
go through. Why are we thinking that we should be fearful
of our future, not only of your future, of anything that you do and you are even god
fearing, all right. Fearful about everything, what is the point? There is no such thing. There is no such thing that this generation
should be an extension of the previous generation, this generation should do something that previous
generation could not imagine. That is when there is a purpose to this generation,
isn't it? Otherwise, what's the point if you’re going
to do the same things (Applause)? Well, if you want to do something that you
really want to do, if you think you're going to do it with everybody's approval, I'm sorry,
life doesn't happen that way. It is just that whatever the hell you want
to do, just do it well. Once there is success, your parents and your
uncles and your aunts, everybody says “Wonderful,” all right (Applause)? They want success, they're only afraid. They have every right to be concerned about
you. They have every right because they brought
you up, they concerned whether you will do well or not. They have every right to be concerned. But that concern should not become control
(Applause). Please microphones, quick here, some ladies. It's not working. Participant: ___ (Inaudiable) (Applause). Sadhguru: Somebody reach out to the upper
regions. Participant: Good evening. Thank you for coming here. Sadhguru: Where are you? Participant: I would like to ask you… what event; decision, experience has had the
most profo… Sadhguru: I’m sorry, I did not hear the
first part of the question. Participant: I’m sorry. What event, decision, experience, or period
has had the most profound impact on your life? Sadhguru: You're asking Matt, right (Matthew
laughs)? Participant: No, I'm asking you. I would like to know. Please. Sadhguru: Hmm, this is been spoken of many,
many, many times isn't it? Experience, influence, see this is the only
thing I did with my life. I was in United States and this lady comes
up to me and says “I was doing… I've been doing yoga for over thirty-five
years nothing happened to me. You just went and sat on that rock, they all
this happened to you, where is the damn rock” (Laughter)? Now the rock is becoming famous, like you
know, for Gauthama, the Buddha, the Bodhi tree became more famous than the Buddha. I must tell you this experience, I was in
Coimbatore, many years ago, about almost twenty-five thirty years ago. And I go to somebody's house for lunch. And this lady says, “Sadhguru I have a Bodhi
tree in my backyard. I sit and meditate under that. Can you come and bless my tree”(Laughter)? I say “Please water the tree, I will bless
you” (Laughter). She said, “No, no, no, you must come and
bless the tree.” I thought let me go into the backyard. I'm always an outdoor man. So I walked out then I looked around I did
not see any Bodhi tree, there were three coconut trees, I did not see any Bodhi tree. Then I asked her, where is the Bodhi tree? Then she takes me to one place, there, there
is one stick, which is about six, seven feet tall, with about five leaves (Laughter). Under that she's put one stone plate and on
which she sits and meditates, under the Bodhi tree. I looked at this Bodhi tree and said “See
this Bodhi tree does not have much possibility (Laughter). If you at least sit under the coconut tree
(Laughter) something could happen”(Applause). Under coconut tree things happen (Laughter)
because when you're in this state, what you need is a knock on your head (Laughter). So, what is the most significant influence? This is all I did in my life, from early childhood,
I did not allow, either family, my genetics, my social situations, the religious situation
around me, political situations around me, whatever around me, I did not allow myself
to be influenced by any of those things. This is why I keep repeating I am an uneducated
guru, because I refuse to be educated. To remain uneducated is not easy. Yes, because from the moment you are born,
everybody wants to teach you something that's not worked in their life (Laughter). It's a compulsive need in adults the moment
they see, you know, like I was, when my min… when my daughter was three and a half months
old, I would drive alone with her all across India, my one hand on her, my right leg heavy,
this is the time when I'm building Isha foundation, I'm driving across the country. Every day I'm with a new family. Then I noticed everybody is desperate to teach
something to her. I said “Please, nobody teaches her anything. No, A-B-C, no 1-2-3, no Mary had a little
lamb, I don't want any of these things.” Then people said “Sadhguru, you're not letting
anybody teach anything, what will happen to this girl? This girl won't know even how to count her
fingers.” I said I don't care if she cannot count her
fingers, as long as she knows how to use her fingers, what do I care? She thinks this (Gestures) is a million, what's
my problem (Laughter)? As long as she knows how to use her fingers,
so, and I don't care whether Mary had a lamb or not, so (Laughter). I said nobody teach her anything, because
nobody's teaching her anything, see, it is by constantly looking down on the child, you
know what is this, you know what is that, the child feels smaller and smaller and smaller. Because nobody spoke to her in those terms,
she thought everybody is her friends. She's two and a half, three years, she thinks
all the adults are her friends. She talks to them like they're her friends,
By the time she is eighteen months, she's fluently speaking three languages, very fluently. Because nobody is teaching her anything, she's
all ears, listening to everything around her. Well, I wouldn't have sent her to school,
but, you know, my schedules and my travels didn't allow that. So I sent her to a school where there's least
amount of schooling. One day she came back from school, she was
around thirteen years of age and she was little upset about what happened in the school. Then she comes and tells me, “You're teaching
everybody so many things, you're not teaching me anything.” I said “See, I'm not known to do anything
unsolicited. Now that you have come you, sit down, we'll
see.” I said, “See this all you need to know - You
never look up to anybody.” She looked at me like this - What about you
kind of look. I said “Especially me, because if you look
up to me, you will miss it completely. What will you do? Maybe take my picture and nail it on your
wall. That's all you will do.” You got to see me the way I am. If you see me the way I am, every moment of
my life, it will be of great significance to you. If you look up to me, you will exaggerate. Never look up to anybody, never look down
on anybody. This is all, is that all? That is all (Applause). See, if you look up to something, you will
make up things in your mind. If you look down on somebody, you'll make
up nonsense in your head. If you don't do these two things, you will
see everything just the way it is. If you see everything just the way it is,
you will effortlessly navigate through life. This is all you have to do. Don't worry about what is significant. This is the most significant aspect of my
life. I never looked up to anything, nor looked
down on anything in my life. I looked at everything just the way it is. This all you need to do. Thank you very much (Applause). Matthew Hayden: Ladies and gentlemen. Sadhguru: Probably Matt is more loud in India
than in Australia (Both laugh). It's wonderful to have you here, Matt, fantastic. Matthew Hayden: Thank you (Applause). Be very easy to listen to Sadhguruji all evening,
but unfortunately we are out of time. So on behalf of us all, thank you for gracing
our shores. You're very special human being. Sadhguru: Tell me what should I tell the Tamil
boys? Matthew Hayden: You can tell them from me
that I'll be back in business with them very shortly. That's what you can tell them. Surfing, cooking… Sadhguru: About the water. Matthew Hayden: About the water? Sadhguru: Yeah, what they should do, the Tamil
boys… and girls. Matthew Hayden: Easy as this… Sadhguru: ...and girls. Matthew Hayden: Spend a little bit of their
own money to invest into some trees and we're all in business, aren’t we? Sadhguru: Thank you. Matthew Hayden: Good evening, everyone. Thank you. Sadhguru: If you if you don't know this, if
you don't know this, don't tell anybody, I make the best masala dosa in the world (Laughter). Matthew Hayden: Well, they can be sure of
this I'll take you up on that (Sadhguru laughs). Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. Sadhguru: Thank you. Matthew Hayden: Thank you (Applause). Beautiful. Thank you.
