Man Dies and God Tells Him About the Rapture!

[Music] hi everyone this is jennifer bagnashi with deep believer today we have a compelling guest with us today his name is wayne fowler he had a chickenpox miracle that's right i said it a chickenpox miracle soon after that only a few days later he died of a heart attack met jesus christ saw the crucifixion and also was told about the rapture wayne thank you so much for being with us today absolutely i appreciate it jennifer and and thank you for this opportunity to to be able to let more people know about the love of jesus because that's ultimately what it's about thank you let's get to this so what was your upbringing on faith in itself or did you even have an upbringing with faith no i i actually didn't in fact it was probably what we would consider as not good my parents were actually into the occult and it was it was quite bad ultimately what ended up happening is my mother then got into witchcraft and and yeah and so and i had a really tough life about it so we didn't deal with anything with god we certainly had nothing to do with uh church or anything like that however none of that actually rang true to me um there was as as difficult as it was i i couldn't bring myself to think that there was no god something deep down inside to me just i know that there has to be but because of the the difficulty i had growing up and that sort of things i'm i'm trying to listen to people to identify just who or what that is and it it was it was hard uh i'm thinking if it's if it's a person or that type of thing that uh you know if he's supposed to represent the father figure that you hear a lot of people talk about i'm not so sure i i want to know about that i keep arm's distance if he's anything like my father and then i just did not want to do that but i was searching jennifer i would i would i was searching as i look around even in my difficulty in in my growth i could look around and something just told me i can't see all of the complexity in the world all and and sometimes such beauty and and and and and and all the diversity of of life and and things here and the the expanse of the universe and all of i'm thinking like there's definitely something bigger than me that created this uh uh i was involved in our i was involved in a little bit of everything i guess that you know as you try to figure out what well what what about that um yeah what about that over the yeah no maybe not uh and so i was uh involved in new age for uh a long time but even that started to have i was at odds with this because ultimately what you have is the people trying to say that well what you ultimately realize is i'm god and i'm thinking like no guys no you're not no you definitely are not uh and neither am i and so one of the things that i had always said to myself is that i don't know who or what god is but i do know this if there is a god and this god wants to reveal himself to me if he wants to reveal himself to or make himself known [Music] then if he makes himself known to me or she or it or whatever then i'm going to follow that god that's that's what i'm going to do and that's ultimately uh what happened um and uh and so ultimately i grew up though and once i left home i just i i just had tried to grapple with things like you know what a pitchforked devil uh i just uh i i just thought no i just can't see that that can be the case i just don't see that and so consequently as a result now then i i couldn't believe in a hell either because i'm thinking like how does that work uh i can tell you now though jennifer having learned the difference oh yes there is a hell and yes there is a god and yes that god does not want you to go there but the enemy our enemy satan he loves the fact that no one or if there's anyone who doesn't believe in him or anyone who doesn't believe in hell those are the ones he has the strongest hold on at this time you're a new age right now were you married to your wife denise at this time uh what had happened and this it's actually another kind of those miracles that i didn't recognize when i first saw denise and uh i won't go into all of the details it's a long story all by itself but when i first saw her i actually heard the voice of god and jennifer i knew it was god and he said she will be your wife and i knew that was true i but i can tell you once i and she hadn't met me she didn't know me from adam right and uh what she finally did she didn't like me very much she didn't like me at all and uh and and it ended up i i'm i'm thinking i tried for weeks to get her to go out with me right and and i just couldn't get her to do it and uh and in desperation i had just talked to myself i don't understand you told me she's going to be my wife she won't even go out with me and and so then i start speaking out loud saying about i've never had this difficulty before with uh women i've had other ones that have probably been more elegant and uh yeah i was really sticking my foot in my mouth right and uh but she overheard that and she said what did you say and i then poke up and i said did you hear that and she said yes did you say that you had been with other more elegant women before and i i couldn't deny it and i said yes and i'm thinking like okay i'm never going to have any other chance but then she she crossed her arms like this and she said okay mr fowler i'll go out with you i'm thinking that's what it took uh long story short of course uh we were married and uh and we had 26 wonderful years together or so before she went to meet jesus herself and to be with him but when i had met her and this is kind of really important she had walked away from the lord she had been backslidden uh quite seriously and and i can understand how a lot of this had happened because she had been in a very abusive relationship but before i came along and so um i could see you know where that could have come from but it's in that dynamic that i met her and so we had actually gotten married um and uh and had our daughter she had a uh young son who very young he was just uh uh three years old just before four when we had met and so i raised him we had our daughter uh at the same time so they were both young and we continue to grow from that dynamic up until i felt this she was three and that's when i felt yeah we really got to introduce them to spiritual things and that's where that came from wow amen so let's fast forward to 1989 and you come down with the chickenpox a few days before the day before halloween or a few days before halloween two days before halloween and it was during this uh revival at this church that i was attending at the uh behest of the pastor and i felt that it was it was just very i don't know it was moving in me uh this uh evangelist he would discuss the meanings of words the culture at the time and uh he would uh just really kind of lay things out he would discuss the symbolism of things involved and what does that really mean how does that relate how does this relate to this jesus and you know and that sort of thing and and i'm thinking like you know i've learned more in these few days with this evangelist than i've known my entire life about this jesus now growing up in east texas and look please don't misunderstand i i understand how uh there's how do we say it a plethora of hellfire and damnation preachers and i i i i felt so accused by them you're gonna burn in hell if you don't accept jesus right now i love the accent [Laughter] and god pretty spot on there right actually uh but you know there there are there's a time and a place for that and and it works and and uh there are people that need to hear that but for me at that time that wasn't the right message that i needed to hear i needed to know some more around it i needed context and that's what was happening here and i was actually for the first time in my life without realizing it feeling the draw towards god and this is what was happening and as my wife fed pointed out to me and this was just kind of the weird thing it was right before halloween i ended up coming down with a case of the chickenpox after my children had previously and i was just caught completely off guard because i had had them before i didn't think you could get them again and uh and when the doctor verified yeah you've got it and yeah i know it's tough on you as an adult so uh what ultimately happened is my wife had come to me and she said honey i know you don't believe in the devil and i know you don't believe in hell but i would ask that you give me the benefit of the doubt in this one instance what if the devil is real and what if he's trying to keep you from going going to church right going to church to find out more about god to to give my life to him to find out he's the truth right and at this time you weren't you weren't even saved yet but you were on the verge i was on the verge and uh and so i am i'm telling her you know what baby what if what you're saying is true what if it is i'm not going to let him win so we had to then i'm going to come up with a plan and we're going to go to church uh so i ended up getting dressed up in this hoodie and everything else we want to go there and i'm trying to still at the same time be cognizant of you know keeping other people safe i don't want to you know expose them to this and that sort of thing and so we had come up with a plan to try to find a place way back in the back away from people i was going to be covered up and we were going to wait until they were all in and sitted down so i wasn't around people at all and and so that's ultimately what we did and it worked out well because she ended up finding this tiny little cue that i didn't know at the time was actually for the ushers right and so it's just big enough for an usher and i thought well it's just big enough for the two of us and we're certainly not around other people and so i end up uh going in there we get that particular seat uh that worship service is going on and then this song one of the songs that i just love so much our god is an awesome god and i go through the this first chorus and i'm feeling something very strong in me and i'm i'm starting to feel really good i have been feeling so bad with the temperature and the in the covered in these pox i mean i look like a horror movie freak show i'm sorry wayne so was your face really visible with all the the scars that you have scarring on your face or [ __ ] all over your face i was covered my whole body was covered jennifer and that's what that's what i'm saying is like if anybody would have seen me they would have just like oh my goodness you know and so i that's why i had to have this hoodie and everything i didn't want anybody to catch sight of me at all make sure my arms are covered and keep my hands out of sight and that sort of thing but yeah i was in bad shape so uh but i was feeling at this point with that song i started feeling really good right and so i notice then as i'm building out these words on the second chorus watching the words on the screen and i'm just singing them out and she's i notice she's staring at me and i look at her and she's just like her mouth is a gate it's just like like this and i and i asked her what's wrong what's wrong and she says you've got to go to the bathroom right now well she says that a couple of times i'm trying to figure out no i don't i don't have to go to the bathroom yes you do okay so i end up trying to figure it out i go to the bathroom what ends up happening is i'm talking to myself in the mirror and then i recognize wait a minute things don't look the same and i end up pulling down this hoodie and looking at myself and all of these pops everything that made me look like just a really bad pepperoni pizza that they're all gone jennifer every one of them are gone i check i i take off this hoodie i'm looking at my arms my hands i look at my chest everything they're all gone and so i knew i was supposed to be there i knew that this was something that was not going to keep me from receiving what this this this was my my big check mark this was oh this is really god this is my affirmation this is the thing that tells me i'm supposed to be here and i end up going back in there she is beaming denise is beaming i'm saying i've been healed and she's going aha and so from that point that's what happens we end up going through the service and then after the service there's an altar call i bolt down i'm the first one down to the altar call walking through the sinner's prayer i'm giving my whole heart every part of myself to jesus i know this is real and then ultimately what happens is well nothing immediately happens and it's not until i then decide that i'm going to pray for my wife which i see something happening with her and i'm going to pray for her and when i lay hands on her and i pray for her then suddenly that's when i'm filled with this power that is beyond words for me and i throw my hands up in praise and i am lost all of my surroundings jennifer disappear that they're like like a you know we say in the bible how the the sky is rolled up like a scroll it's like this it's like these it just goes around me and i'm surrounded by this pink mist and i feel these waves of love crashing over me and i am just lost in this and i hear the audible voice of god tell me wayne using my name wayne today i have begotten you and i'm i don't know what that means yet but i know it's something good right and i find out later oh i'm born again he born to me again right whatever and so i'm like oh that's what that mean oh my goodness so but i'm i'm sitting here praising god i'm speaking in this language i had never heard come out of my mouth before and i'm the lost in it now to me i'm praising in english but what's coming out of me is not so it's uh it's all of that and i am just lost in these waves of love crashing over me after what seemed like just a few minutes i feel this shaking on my chest and and ultimately i'm being pulled back and i'm like no i don't want to be pulled back i thought we pulled back out of the door wait wait what's going on but i realized that what's happening is i'm i hadn't been paying attention to my surroundings because i hadn't been here and it felt like i had been someplace else but now i'm being pulled back into earthly reality into this being oh yeah i'm at in this church and i my eyes i try to squint to open them and and i'm looking around and there's just four people me the pastor who has his arm around me patting my chest his wife standing right behind him and denise my wife to my left and my first word is where is everybody and he just looks at me and smiles the pastor does and he said son they've been gone for over four hours now and i'm just like four hours wow uh it seemed just like minutes to me and he asked me do you realize that you were baptized tonight and i just had this vague memory back like it was like like almost a dream and i said that was me and he said yes and and even then even though i'm back in the church i still feeling these waves crash over me and uh denise she's just in tears she's just tears of joy of course because she has never seen anything like that and to be honest she had told me later i had to repent because i had told them this is never going to happen to you and uh and so i you know i i understood how she felt but and what she really meant but this this was just something she couldn't have imagined and then the pastor's wife had told me wayne you've had such an amazing experience such an amazing touch of god but you have to be careful now wayne because the devil is going to want to try to steal from you what you just got and i didn't know what that meant jennifer but i just looked at her and i and i said okay you know and then another wave praise god praise god i couldn't drive home i'll tell you that denise had to drive home and the whole way just wave after wave crashing over me but as you point out yep i found out what she meant seven days later when i died and met jesus wow so seven days later to the day to the day who died of a heart attack the devil tried to take you out could you just tell us the onset so where you say you were laying in bed at night and then you felt pain in your shoulder well what had happened of course the whole week i i felt like i was on cloud nine you know i i was i i felt like i was been i don't know washed clean like there had been tons of gunk that i've been you know carrying around with me that had all been like cleared out and washed away i i truly felt and not to just you know be cliche i truly felt like a new person and and i it the wane from this week was not the same as the wayne that week before it was completely different and and i i didn't know why specifically but i was definitely a changed person on that seventh day though which i think again prophetic for me because i've never forgotten that seven days my seven days well i know why now i i woke up and from the time that i woke up i felt like i was getting foolish like it was coming down with something and and and so i didn't think anything about it denise hadn't thought anything about it it was just like okay well i had just been uh excuse me uh miraculously here to this uh healed of this uh second course of chickenpox and uh and so i at first it just didn't seem like anything and i had no reason to think otherwise but throughout the day it got progressively worse and when i say progressively worse it got worse really fast really quick i'm sorry wayne you were pretty young at this time right how old were you i was uh yeah it was it was a week before my birthday uh in which i was going to be 27. yeah you were very yeah and uh and so yeah i was uh i was i considered myself in very good shape uh in in even better shape now you know so i'm just like wow okay um i i worked out constantly i i was just i was cognizant of that i had uh i had been in rotc for the marine corps i had gone to ocs for the marine corps i had i i i had this strong military type of bent and so i always wanted to um to stay in in good shape and and for that sort of thing wow so the heart attack didn't even make sense based on oh yeah your health to be honest with you and and that's some of as we continue on with this there were people who have asked me didn't you recognize these as symptoms of a heart attack it's so obvious and i think well no actually i didn't neither denise nor i actually thought anything about that because for these particular reasons and uh and and at least initially and i think also to after i've looked at it over the course of years and and prayed about it i really think that the lord kept that out of our mind so he had a a plan for this the whole time and so rather than uh you know we this was all for god's glory and so because i like to i like to think you know what if god told me said uh or someone else said wayne okay you always wanted to meet god right okay i've got a guaranteed way for you to do that okay what's that well you gotta die first and now i go whoa whoa whoa what what yeah it's okay you'll get sent back right and i'm going i don't know if i would have necessarily been so willing to do that right uh it sounds you know it sounds like kind of tongue-in-cheek but seriously you have to think like ah do you feel like that's going to be the the best thing do you feel like do you have enough faith for that i don't know uh uh maybe not you know whatever god had this plan and so i had started getting much worse i started then having difficulty breathing uh and i ended up breaking out into a cold sweat and then i started having this pain radiating down my left arm and uh and in all the things i'm trying to be able to figure out where did this come from i had been feeling so good so where was this and so in the early evening i got to the point jennifer where it felt like i was trudging through molasses it was just like this effort for me to just take steps and i told denise i said baby i'm going to have to go to bed early i'm sorry i'm just really not feeling well i'm going to have to turn in and she said okay baby uh i'll be in there in just a minute and i told her i said no you don't have to come in it's all right she said no no i want to and i said well okay you know just come in when you when you when you're ready to i want to go ahead and get ready for bed and she said okay and so i i go in and i get ready for bed and and i'm i'm just really having a tough time jennifer i'm really trying to be able to find things are going on in my mind i'm trying to figure out you know what did this be where could i have got picked up something what would it what is this like and uh and and i'm very restless and uh i'm not able to get comfortable well eventually what happens is denise she she comes in and she gets ready for bed and you know what there's i'm actually i was actually so thankful that she was there you know i haven't said that uh a lot but there was something that just made it felt so comforting to me even in my discomfort and not that she could do anything but just her presence there made me feel better and uh but what happens is she's she's starting by being on her back and everything but i'm very restless and i'm not able to get comfortable and so she ends up turning on her right hand side with her back towards me and i'm sure that that was the case because so she's doing that because i'm just all over the place and i can't get comfortable and i i laugh about it and i talk about this but it's the funniest thing she like falls asleep like she has just been gassed i i have never been able to see anyone that could fall asleep so quickly she you were like it was like almost like she was hypnotized you know it's like you're gonna fall asleep on the count of three one two okay she's out it was just like that and i was always so envious because i i have to relax i have to let my mind kind of chill out and that sort of thing but no she she's out like a light bulb and uh and in this particular instance i was really thankful for that you know uh but i'm still here and i'm ruminating over what could this be and what is the did i pull a muscle in my arm from weightlifting or exercise or something like that and why can't i oh i can't get enough air into me and that sort of thing and so i finally i can't get comfortable on either side i roll over on my back and i'm just thinking like my goodness what is this and as i'm contemplating this all of a sudden jennifer without warning i'm suddenly feeling like boom like a big elephant just like stomped in the middle of my chest and and and it caught me so off guard and i grabbed my chest and you know just kind of came up a couple inches off of the pillow and it was painful i mean very very painful so strong in seizing and i tried to be able to call out to denise but i couldn't it was so strong it was like the words were caught in my throat i i couldn't get the word out and i couldn't move either i was like stuck in this position again because the pain was so intense it like had me locked into position and when i realized i did i didn't know what to do i didn't know what to do so i'm so first i'm thinking like so the first thing i do is i call out to god well i'm not able to do it vocally but in my mind i'm just reaching out i'm throwing god you got to help me i don't know what to do i can't handle this if you don't if you don't take this pain away i don't know what i can do and then jennifer like about two seconds later suddenly all the pain went away and i i've got my eyes clenched tight you know like this and i'm thinking like oh wow that's better and i'm thinking to myself god was listening to me you know and i thought so i'm starting to take stock in myself and again my eyes still closed and then i'm thinking like wow i i i'm not hurting at all and and i don't even have any of these other symptoms i i'm not having difficulty breathing i'm i'm not i don't feel like i have cold sweats nothing like that and actually i'm feeling kind of good and so then i thought to open up my eyes and when i did i realized i wasn't in bed i realized that i was standing beside my bed and i was looking down at my body on the bed and my first thought was i'm dead but it wasn't it was just more matter of fact it wasn't like like oh dear heavens you know i'm dead no it was very matter of fact i'm dead but then it was my fear did you have any fear no and see and i've had people um ask me about that uh i didn't even have any fear before then it wasn't like uh in this particular instance because the pain was so intense that was what my focus was to be able to try to get out of that pain but then afterwards being dead and you look at your body and it's more like you know noticing that you had been looking for clothes from the laundry and then recognized that oh they're on bed right it's it was just like that nothing scary about it at all it was just like very matter-of-fact but then i said i don't look that good either so because here's this body it was like stuck in this the hand still punched my chest and it had this very pained look on the face it was almost like just stuck that way and i'm thinking like wow yeah that's me yeah don't think anything about it it doesn't look so good but i noticed then that everything else so you have to understand that this is at night and i suddenly realize that i can i have this like supervision uh that i can see in the dark i can make out everything i can focus and make out these tiniest details and looking all over the place right and while i'm sitting here noticing this and of course i see that denise she's still asleep there and i hear weighing and i thought somebody calling me and then i hear it again wayne and i recognize that there's someone calling me and it's from behind me so i turn and i look and so there it you know of course beside the bed where i'm standing and then maybe just like three or four feet away is where we have the wall to the outside right of our bedroom and it has this plate glass window in there it's quite large and i can see out through this window and i'm looking out and there's a street that goes by there and and there's a curve and sitting out on this curb is this woman and what's interesting about this thing is not only can i see through this window i can also see through the wall as well and what's interesting it seemed perfectly normal and natural that that's the case with this vision i can see anything it's it and it seemed there was no questioning like wow that's really odd i've got all of these superpowers well no it was it was just that this is the way it works here um and uh and so i look at her and as i'm looking at her out the window she's sitting on this curve now it is dark but it looks like she's in this circle of light and she fits perfectly in the middle of this circle almost as if she was under a street light at night there's no street light there but uh she's under this or maybe a spotlight that's shining down on her right and so you've got this light that and she's out in the middle of it and i'm thinking as wait a minute i know this person who is that um [Music] linda yeah this is linda now and now i'm thinking i didn't stop to even question like who's linda you know i didn't know alinda i didn't recognize her as some acquaintance or somebody that that we knew family friend anything or relative or anything but i knew at this point there was this recognition inside me that's who this was and so then i do something else which seemed perfectly normal to being in that state also not perfectly normal in this state in in in our uh reality here on earth is i walked right through the wall out to see her and that's what i'm saying it wasn't like excuse me well let me go out the front door i'll come around no it wasn't you know you were did you know you were something supernatural at the time did you even know that no i no i didn't i i'm finding it out right it's it's it's becoming more obvious to me but i'm i'm it's a little at a time it's a step at a time right literally and figuratively so i walk through this wall and i walk right out to where linda is and i stopped beside her and i said hi you know with kind of this recognition right and and she looks at me and she's got this smile on her face and she said wayne there's someone that wants to meet you i said really who well she slowly lifts her head up like this and she starts looking straight up well me doing just like anybody else would do i look straight up with her too to see what she's looking at and what i see i see this black night or this black sky and right in the middle is one tiny tiny little pinpoint of light and like i thought my first thought is it's a star right but i'm not seeing any other stars in the night sky i just see this one pinpoint of light and as i'm contemplating that pinpoint of light then what feels like these big hands huge huge hands okay grab me around my center now i'm not seeing these hands but i can feel them and it's kind of this warm comforting feeling and uh and i'm starting to be lifted up well i'm i'm not prepared for this right and so my human mind i'm first thing i do is i throw my hands out to try to steady myself to see if there's something to grab onto of course there's nothing to grab onto right there's nothing around me and i look out at myself and so all of these things are happening at a very fast pace jennifer so what i'm telling you is all these things that happen various little things it sounds like it's in linear succession from each other but it's really not this is another one of these superpowers it is happening so incredibly fast that it's happening in like split seconds almost simultaneously but i am able to look at something focus on it get all this information about it and everything else look at something else get all that information about on it and but it's so fast as almost simultaneous well really really quickly i'm sorry you made me realize how i always hear and you know it's always said that we will know everyone in heaven and when you just explained linda how you like oh this is linda i know you linda but when you're back now you're like who's linda and it shows that everybody knows each other in heaven you know and it made me really understand that even more how much we're going to know each other even though we don't know each other here on earth in heaven we're not strangers so i just wanted to point that out it's so true jennifer and and i think that it it's one of those things that it's another one of these superpowers and and i call them superpowers because but they're really they're they really are in comparison to our senses here on earth and here on earth we are so incredibly limited uh our vision our sense of smell taste touch everything and the way our mind works it is so superior in the spiritual realm than it is in the physical realm so when when you're when when you talk about recognizing other people yeah and again and you'll find out when i recognize jesus the same thing or when you recognize the father there's no questioning you know who these people are you're going to know who your friends or family are you're going to know who all of your brothers and sisters are and because that's that's what we are there's not going to be any question none at all you're absolutely correct um so as i'm being lifted up that's that's one of the things though and this is one of the things that you're also going to have to forgive me about is because i still have my human mind right and and it it takes a while to be able to get over these things because you expect certain things uh and uh and so when when i died right i was the same person at the point of death that i was just right before death uh sometimes you you you hear how people expect that oh wait a minute that actually you will know even as you are known that is what that goes back that's the scripture that comes out of it because we are known and you're known at such a deep level at such a deep level so anyway uh so i'm the same person and so i i'm i'm not acting all you know biblical it's not all these and dolls and those kinds of things here i'm still wayne and uh although the new wayne and i'm able to be able to as i'm starting to experience the expansion of all of these senses because i have to point out this is the big deal the spiritual world is so far beyond this earthly reality it is so much bigger it is so much more expansive it is so much more free and open and everything about it when when uh we're told that this is a shadow of that life to come it really is it really is we have these things so we can see colors for example yeah you can see colors there too but the colors we see here are so muted and so minuscule as far as scope goes but there it is so much broader and more beautiful and expansive and everything else than it is here we have a lot of beauty that exists here but beauty in comparison to the beauty that is there in the heavenly realm it truly is the comparison between the real thing and its shadow it is that much of a contrast so i'm i'm sitting here and so you've got to kind of shed some of the human thought processes as you get used to this uh so i'm reaching out and i'm trying to hold on to something and i catch sight of my left hand and i'm looking at it and i can see there's this bluish purplish glow that's around it it's coming from me and i thought cool [Laughter] real real big thought there yeah it's the neatest thing um and so i'm like i said stay in the same person uh and so i'm looking at this but then my supervision really focuses in on this and i can see into my hand i can see that it's almost transparent it's not opaque like like we are here on earth and i can see all of these all my veins and everything in there and i can see light is traveling in the veins there's no blood it's light and that's what i'm saying this is wayne light so it's really cool i thought excellent but then i start looking at other things now i'm still being lifted up at the same time but remember all of this is happening so fast so i look at myself and i notice i have clothes on and i have shoes on my feet and and i'm thinking i couldn't how is that possible i was just in bed i didn't have any clothes on and i didn't have any shoes on my feet right i just was thinking that's kind of strange i didn't know why that was the case but it was just an observation that i had made and uh and so i then as i look down and see the shoes on my feet i can see linda as she is going away from me right she's looking up at me and she's going away but when she's really not going away from me i'm actually going up right and i'm going up and i'm noticing i'm going through the clouds and everything as i get farther and farther away and i can see the land masses and then the curvature of the earth and then as i go out into space it's it's all this wonderful thing and just so you can see the earth out there and i look back but then i turn my attention up to where the direction that i'm going and what happens is what opens up before me is this kind of funnel shape that leads into a tunnel now it's as dark and uh you know out in space it's black as night right so and so this opening in this tunnel is as well but with this supervision that i have you can clearly make it out you can clearly see it and i am then going up into this tunnel now the tunnel as far as the size of it it it's it's quite large i've heard different people talk about different sizes and shapes of the tunnel or whatever but for me it it it seemed quite long and straight it wasn't all twisty turny and and it was quite large around and and when i went up into it that's um the there was more than enough room for all of these angels that were completely covering the inside of this tunnel and i was then traveling through them well there's a couple of things that happens in this particular instance as i enter this tunnel i feel this gentle cool breeze and and and it was very nice it uh it wasn't like i was i wasn't cold or hot or anything else it was it reminded me of like just like wendy if you were on the beach in hawaii and and you felt this like gentle summer breeze just kind of call over you like it's just very nice right it was like that ah and but it wasn't just on the outside it went through me you know it's like that and then i turned my attention to all of these angels and so i know that there are some people that have difficulty with angels that have wings but when i'm i can tell you every one of these angels they had wings and now they weren't opened and out they had them you know folded they were up above them you can see them and everything and all of these angels they were in this dark bluish kind of armor and uh and they were all next to each other they were all shoulder to shoulder and what was so cool about this is i'm looking at this again because i can see it all with this supervision there was this like a a chatter that they were all kind of you know talking with each other like someone that you know before class starts and you've got everybody's talking with each other that sort of thing except that this they're talking amongst each other and there was this huge excitement and what i knew was they were excited because i was coming through and i'm i'm thinking to myself that they're excited for me and it wasn't just an excitement that i was coming through it was also a shared excitement from them that they were there to get to experience this with me that they were there to be a part of this and i'm i'm just like awed by it i know that's what they're feeling that's what they're saying it's just like real exciting and so one of the things that i point out is this like how did i how did i kind of what's the story that it came up that that kind of exemplified what this was like and i come up with this uh uh a story of the military wedding and there there is a there is a uh thing that we call a saber arch and when you've got uh a military wedding you've got the the person in the military and they've got their bride and and and when they are declared as man and wife then they walk through this procession that's made of officers that are lined up on both sides and they take their swords and they cross them up over above them and almost like a tunnel right and then the couple walks through the center of them and it's such an honor it's such a feeling of respect and recognition for the couple that have just gotten married and they're they walk through that thing the whole way that's how i felt jennifer it felt like that and i'm just like oh i'm getting the goosebumps again so anyway i'm going through there and i'm now focusing because here's what's happening at the same time i'm speeding up going through this tunnel and i am going so fast so fast that i recognize that i'm going faster than the speed of light right and uh so what's faster than speed of light well thought is definitely faster than the speed of light so uh and i'm able to see so this this tunnel is like semi-transparent and although it's covered with all these angels the spaces between them and around them and that sort of thing i can see outside as i'm going through this tunnel and so i can see planets and galaxies just like some kind of star trek episode where you see these light streaks it was like that it really was and but then i start thinking to myself back in my human mind i'm thinking like wait a minute you're not supposed to be able to go faster than speed of light so it's it's almost like breaking the law right and so i get uncomfortable with it this is too fast for me and as soon as i have that thought i start slowing down now not a lot because i'm still blisteringly fast but just enough to where i felt comfortable with it and then i'm still going forward now i'm looking and i'm focusing on this dot having become it's growing and growing in my field of vision and i'm still thinking at this point it's a star but i've got no other reason to think otherwise but i can see then again the supervision all the way out and i can see that there is a another kind of funnel type opening into this other realm i can see outside the tunnel as i'm as i'm going by and there's space right i'm still in space but i can see down at the end there's it's like um some type of barrier that's over the front of it and on the other side of this barrier there is this realm this this realm of this light where this star is okay and i'm watching it and i'm going closer and closer to it and i'm really starting to fixate on it now and what happens then is i get to this barrier and i i don't know how to articulate it in any other way except that it's kind of like this feeling like i just burst like like a firework exploding into this realm i popped through bursting through into this other realm and it is completely different it is beautiful and clean and bright this this realm of light and and here in front of me is this star that has grown so massively i still think that it's a star and it's brighter than 10 000 suns i mean that that would only be able to start it and i i'm i'm looking at it and i'm looking around i can i can see below me where i've come through this funnel shape that actually comes up into this realm and uh and uh you can see down in it that it becomes space back down inside there but you know i'm i'm still heading towards this light this light was alive and i have this knowledge of it it's a living light and i'm i'm still not able to yet comprehend i i it's still like oh wow and as i'm heading towards it and i'm seeing it there there was sandy patty had sang a song one time in which she had this line in which she talked about the purest holy white that's the closest i can get to this it was beyond a level of purity it was beyond a level of holiness it was and alive as well and as i'm looking i'm still heading towards this light being drawn towards it uh with these hands that are pulling me in and i'll look down into this light i'm looking down into the center of it and as bright as it is with my supervision it's not affecting me i'm actually able to appreciate the depth of its beauty that's awesome awesome but i look down into the center and i can make out the shape of a man and arms are outstretched like this now i can't make out the features yet but i'm looking at the shape and i notice this there is not a man that's in this light the light is coming out of the man it's and it's pouring out of him it's pouring out of him it pouring out of him and at the moment i make that recognition i enter this light and at the very same time that light starts to enter me i was like i was a container and i am being filled up like a water balloon right you know and it takes the shape of its container as you pour it in and i am being filled up with the love of god this is what happens with this there's a couple of things that happen which i think are the most important parts of this as i enter the light and the light enters me i am being filled up and filled up from the inside right and i'm filled up and filled up with this love of god that is beyond any earthly level of ecstasy of rapture of joy of happiness it was if we wrapped up every term that we have that's a facet of love here on this earth wrap them all up and multiply it times a billion jennifer that would only be the beginning because this love is infinite it doesn't end if we did all of this and we were able to experience that billionth level we would only be just beginning and i am being filled up with it and i'm filled up with it and just like a water balloon and i with this pressure you can actually feel it and this pressure that's coming out of me almost to the point that i feel like i'm going to explode from the power of it and once i had that thought then i can feel it start to ease up on me the pressure starts to subside a level but what whoa the realization that his pressure is easing up i yelled out no don't stop give me all you got and i heard jesus chuckle he thought that was so cute and he starts filling me back up and he fills me only to the point that he knows it's as much as i'm able to stand and he keeps it there it's just stunningly amazing stunningly amazing here's what also happens at the same time as i enter the light light enters me i'm being filled with the love of god i'm also being filled with this knowledge undeniable knowledge this is jesus this is god this is the creator of everything this is the way the truth and the life i get this message but i have to point out jennifer i had only been a christian for one week so i didn't know that that was actually a scripture in the bible i i found out later of course but my point is that when you are in the presence of jesus you have this knowledge and it is unquestionably true so i knew this scripture i knew it because it was true and uh and so i start i start asking all of these questions i i'm asking him wait a minute okay so this is true about you this that and i'm starting to ask all of these other questions about him and he starts answering them and he starts answering them so completely jennifer it's like an entire volume of information with the answer to each question if you went to the library and you wanted to find out a book get a tree sees on a subject right you pull it out because it's comprehensive and this is the way he answers questions you ask him a question when when when you and i are talking we're like having this interview well not much of what i'm talking nonstop but um it when when you ask a question it's because you're you're thinking like well i want a piece of this information that i don't have and i want to fill it out so i have a complete or a more complete idea of the answer to the question that i'm looking for right i'm looking to be able to find out this information and so i will ask several questions maybe what about this or how about that well when god answers questions he has already thought about every possible connection with these every possible tangential question that you could ask and everything and when you've asked that question he has given you a complete answer it's this whole volume of information and it's given to you instantly you you don't have anything else to ask about it he has given you that answer and so then i would ask another question and another question and another question and and i started asking all these questions what what's about the meaning of life and and and about everything like you know just philosophical questions and earthly questions and everything else and i'm just rapid fire these questions and he is filling me up with libraries full of information and uh and and then he chuckled again he he was amused by my asking of questions right what kind of questions were you asking them anything i got it's actually neophyte questions because i mean you know when we have our child talking to us and and and and and our little child says dad why is this guy blue you know it's those types of questions i'm just i'm wanting to ask everything about everything however this is the answer to them all jennifer it's jesus he's the answer he's the ultimate answer to every one of these questions when everything that we experience everything that we learn everything that we go through anything we look at all of it points to jesus and that's what it's meant to do and but when i'm asking these questions that seem you know just arbitrary all of these things i see how they all point back to him and so i'm just i'm i'm asking everything you know what about this what about that what about you know all over the place and he's answering them and he wants to answer them and he's finding joy and amusement in letting me know this then i got this realization everything about you is true every everything about you everything written about you is true every that means everything in the bible is true and i get this knowledge yes it's all true i have had uh some people ask me and you get some some people that are just they're so adamant no no there's so many conflicts there's so many problems with translations and and so on and so forth and and i just have a couple of things to say about that one is god knows how to make sure that his word is is able to be received he is there's nothing that's going to man is not going to stop him from getting his word out and secondly anytime that we think that there is a problem with the bible it's only because of our individual lack of understanding of its level of truth and and so i think that that is ultimately where faith comes in here is the crossroads if we are able to use and get anything from this uh from type of experiences like i've had and then you're able to say look i'm i'm letting you know that everything there is true just like i did with denise let me give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that what you're saying is true i'm telling you if you will assume just give me the benefit of the doubt and assume that what the bible says is true let that be your first step okay so that's because it's never going to lead you wrong it's going to lead you right to where you need to go and that's at the foot of the cross that's right to jesus and so anyway that's actually a nice segue to what i then said next and i said everything about you is true i'm sorry it reliving this every time it is such a big powerful thing for me oh my goodness so big and powerful and i said so everything about the cross that's true too in that moment i was transported through time to be right there at the foot of the cross right in front and i was able to see jesus as he is being crucified on the cross and my goodness okay there are there are people and you know that that wonder and they ask about things well well what did he look like or you know what what kind of cr i don't know why the the issue of you know what kind of cross is it but i can tell you i'll tell you what it is it was a roman cross it had a cross beam up at the top and his arms were splayed out stretched out really wide and uh he wasn't hanging loosely he wasn't like anything like that it was very very painful he was stretched to the limit and he he looked so bad he was beat so bad and and he you you really have to get a true understanding about how vicious they were to him and what he went through he was covered in blood he was battered and beaten it was almost as if you could barely even make out that he was a man he was beaten so bad his his beard was half pulled out he he had blood running down his face it was running all down his body it it was just he was uh he was dark he he wasn't um he was that's olive colored middle eastern man his his hair was very dark and it was matted as i'm seeing him on the cross it's covered you know matted with his blood and it's all it's got dirt and everything in it he's got this crown of thorns just pressed down on his head it can't move it's stuck there and i can see the agony that he is in but this i can also see as i'm there viewing this sorry i can also hear his thoughts and his thoughts towards me personally and i knew in that moment i get from him that if i was the only person in all of creation that ever would have said yes to him he would have gone to that cross the one he's on right now he would have gone to that cross just for me he would have gone through this just just for me just for me jennifer it's just it's crushing it's crushing to know that and it was the truth and i knew it was the truth and i knew this was the truth too is that he would do that for every other person he wants so badly to have a personal intimate relationship with you and me he wants that so badly that he was willing to go to that cross for you and for me sorry and after that realization i i'm coming back to to this heavenly realm and i am just recognizing that i'm not just there with jesus i recognize that the father is there too and he's right beside jesus it's kind of funny i've never i hadn't thought about it i thought about it long afterwards but i'm thinking like wait a minute so i always look at that so in reference to me jesus was here to my looking on my left and the father is immediately to my right which would make him at the right hand of the father exactly i thought how cool is that how cool is that he really is at the right hand of the father but i couldn't see i couldn't make out a form even in my spiritual eyesight it was the father was not visible to me but i could interact with him i could hear him i i knew that he was there i knew that those were the hands that lifted me up i i knew all of that i just couldn't see him you know make out a form for him wait so was it like a feeling or you saw something but you can't put into uh again it's it's like the like this knowledge again that that you that you know and so the knowledge of uh it's i know he's there and uh just like anything i guess if we were you know blind on earth and and we couldn't see that we had someone right in front of us you know we can't physically see them then because of that uh that thing but we know that that person is there we can feel them touch them talk to them interact with them that sort of thing that's what this is like only at a much higher level you have the feeling of like you know going camping when you go on a camping trip i don't know if you've ever been camping i loved camping in in texas and it's i did not like camping no i'd rather be an rv or a hotel well i got you but it and here's here's the here's the thing that kind of relates to that i think i loved going camping where you can go out and commune with nature and have campfires and all that kind of stuff fishing and stuff like that but after about a week or so you you kind of want to go back home right you you you want to get back where you can take a shower you can sleep in your own bed you know and it it just feels so much nicer it it was nice to go camping but it was so much nicer to come back home and that's what i felt like right then i've come home wow so earth felt like you were camping a camping trip and it was time to go [Laughter] and and and i guess the the reason why i look at it like that is because all of the things that you have to do that truly our life here truly is roughing it okay it's it's really that and so that's why i kind of used those uh particular uh terms to to identify it that's that's really what i felt and so here i was home and so i think but i have this niggling thought in the back of my mind wait a minute can i am am i going to be able to stay here and so then i vocalized it i actually directed it to towards jesus and the father and i asked him can i stay and in unison together they both just say no now and unless let me tell you oh my goodness so i hear the voice of jesus and it's no both of them of course it's it's this loving no but it's a firm no one to where you cannot question you know it you can't make an argument against it it you know this is a no and now of course i didn't know why or anything else but let me tell you about the voice of the father oh my goodness my the very core of my being shook it almost just rattled my soul apart it was incomprehensibly powerful and uh it was the same loving no but it was just beyond belief on powerful it was just beyond belief and uh almost where you're just like whoa whoa uh and where you would almost kind of just shun yourself like wow but it was that loving no and at the time that i made that realization no meant no i started to pull backwards out of the light wait really quickly you mentioned that when you were there though you learned about hell a revelation about it yeah well and it was it was kind of so these are the other things so the deal about hell is as part of a lot of the information that i learned remember i was getting libraries filled with information and what i was doing was asking to once i ended up getting into a focus and understanding about his word being true then i asked a gazillion other questions about everything that i could about him i wanted to know everything i could about him i'm just thinking like this is the lover of my soul i want to know this i want to know this god i want to know this jesus and and so i start asking all of these questions so there is the answer about him having come once now he's going to come again and then there's the the the whole thing about heaven i'm in heaven so everything in his word that he discusses about hell that's also true and and so now i was not able to come back with every bit of this information and i wondered for a long time you know why not but i remember also in daniel he's told now seal up the book daniel and go your way because that's for the time of the end right and and in one sense i kind of feel it's that same type of thing he showed me all this he was true and answered it all but he couldn't allow me to come back with certain parts of this information and also he wanted to direct me into his word one of the things that was very important for him to let me do was to immediately get into the bible which i did once i came back the very first thing is i i was voracious about it i was in the word i read it from cover to cover i grabbed a pen and i was noting all these things he's coming back it is and uh just as a a a little tickler he's coming back before the tribulation just i was going to get on that one okay so jesus told you about the rapture what specifically did he say about the rapture there was what what he what he had discussed with me and what he wanted to be able to to to show me is all of these things that what he's what he's doing about his uh plan for israel our our plan as gentiles to be grafted in uh ultimately what hit his plan to have a bride for his son and and it was so i went through and the spirit was so strong on me when i came back that i noted all of these things because since i knew he was going to come back first for his bride i knew that that was the case um and so i wanted to be able to pick out all of these ver scriptures that pointed to that i also knew that there were also going to be many more people that would ultimately be saved through the tribulation period and that there was in fact a period of time time of jacob's trouble the the this time of great tribulation that was going to come upon the earth all of that um and uh and so i ended up i started through and i started seeing how how he developed everything wait a minute where did he come up with a bride and how does that point to it starting from genesis and we got adam and how how then eve was made from his rib and i go like no i get that i get that it's from from a part of himself something that we can relate to and and and uh and i like the way so here was think about this from a rapture standpoint right this was my focus it says that the bride was brought to him amen and believe it or not that's what's going to happen in the rapture so are you saying that jesus told you the rapture is going to happen before the tribulation he's going to take his pride before yes yes and uh now there's still going to be more uh people there's obviously there's more to the body than just that right and uh and some some people like to say it's an all or nothing kind of thing and i'm just like no no no that's that's not that's not so because we can see this you know that there's the progressive revelation that actually does occur from you know throughout the bible from the old testament into the new testament and so forth and uh and and if you look to that you can see that you can see uh and and from again from rapture standpoint the understanding that jesus has a bride and uh and they are one flesh they're going to be one flesh and and so what's going to happen is he's going to bring that bride to himself and how do we see these different things working i it was at that time like when i was going through and i recognized a uh the the similarities to this rapture and let me i guess take a side note what do i mean by the rapture i consider it the the best term to use is the resurrection because there's more involved to it than um than just this one rapture if you want to call it in terms of that being snatched out of the way there's actually multiple ones that have happened throughout the bible and will continue to happen what i want to be able to do is focus it more as the resurrection and uh and and so here is where we got that is it still a rapture you can use whatever terms you want but just to to be able to kind of fit this in and understand it back and then in exodus chapter 19 then i was going like oh oh there it is again right we we've got another here's there's a version of of the rapture and then uh uh first thessalonians chapter four i mean oh there it is again and then uh we we have uh revelations chapter four verse one there it is again and that's what i'm saying is like i'm starting from genesis all the way through revelation and i'm seeing it all over the place and i'm understanding based upon what he's telling me that that is the same thing that he is going to come before this period uh you know before he restarts the clock on the uh on israel on the jewish people and uh and that that is going to happen before this period starts and it it's it's it's i i i have a problem with some people that want to really really say that you know no we have to go through the this tribulation period because we've got to be purified and i'm i'm thinking like jesus has been purifying us and and you know i i and i appreciate that but also in ephesians chapter 5 he kind of shows us remember he's that's talking about how wives are supposed to excuse me husbands love your wives as christ loved the church and gave himself for her right and he goes on to talk about this is a great mystery you know man will leave his father and mother and be cleaved to you know his his wife and the two shall become one flesh and this is a great mystery but i talk about christ and the church so in in any of that did you hear anything about like okay well before you get uh brings here he's going to beat you senseless and you know it's just going to pummel you until you're half dead and and then but but it's okay you know it's all good it's kind of tongue-in-cheek and i but really really no our our jesus loves us and he and he loves even these people that's what i'm saying is get closer to god and then you will find out just how god is how loving he is what he wants for you and how much he wants to be with you so that's where that came from so is it is it happening first yes and um and there are what are the other things that that kind of relate to this there there's so much here and and we can't do it during this uh this this uh interview but i can tell you that it relates to uh uh this the resurrections relate to the harvest right there are there are three harvests and and let me just focus on one the barley harvest remember that's where you have the feast of first fruits and that's actually where jesus rose from the grave right on that day and he became our first roots of us that are resurrected from the dead but one thing that no one i listen to actually seems to discuss is wait a minute that's only the first part of that harvest there's still a harvest right and uh so that's a that's the barley harvest so if if you've got the first fruits of that harvest then what happens next is the harvest of the rest of that group and so if jesus was the first fruits of the barley harvest aren't we going to have a barley harvest you know they always want to make him the first fruits of the barley harvest and then put everybody else into the wheat harvest all right guys you're missing one whole group is there going to be a wheat harvest yes and that would be what we would consider the general resurrection and and again up it's too deep of a a discussion to cover that but the barley harvest happens both for the weed harvest and uh and so these these types of things that's what i'm on and that happens before the grape harvest which is the wrath of god and everything else you can tie all this in is what i'd like to say here's one thing that that you really gave me an aha moment when you said that when you were there you understood the bible verse i believe it's first corinthians 14 4 where it mentions everything in its right order and how it's actually a military term and it is okay yeah uh and i'm sorry let me let you ask your question oh yeah no and but you compared it to the rapture how you said you don't like when people fight about pre-trib post-trib mid-trib you say you don't like that because everything has to be done in its right order and you explain why yeah and and and that is true so for those people that's that's what i'm saying where is the unity of the faith and and it seems to be so divisive and it shouldn't be it shouldn't be at all uh so whether it's pre-trib mid-trib post-trib pan trib you know where they say it it all works out you know they use that kind of as a joke but what i say is guys it's all true there is a pre-trib rapture there is a mid-trib rapture there is a post-trib rapture that's why we have scripture that supports it all but it's for a a different part of the program the greek term is tagma and and that means that's the word used for order there when he says christ the firstfruits then every man according to his own order right and and so what does that mean well the term tagma describes a companies in an army or it can also be used to discuss uh specific uh classifications within a group you know that sort of thing um i like to say that it applies in both instances here because we are part of the armies of god right and and we are supposed to what do what do we have in ephesians chapter six we're told we're commanded to put on the full armor of god right and uh and why would we put on armor if we weren't in the military if we weren't in a war we are in a war so that tag my here in this instance describes that very thing and that's why i say it's it's used in its military sense here so there are groups and how to how can we how can we show that so when you have a parade uh a military parade and you have your commander that's sitting there on the side and all of the companies come before them and they salute and they walk by well they're all part of one group they're all part of the one army but you have this first group they come through and they go through and then you have another group another company and they come through and then so on and so forth so you have one that's first but they're not all in one big group they are all according to their order and that's how they're presented um and so what order is that well we have christ he's the head of the church he went there uh first right and he's made that way for us uh the rest of his body has been continuing here on earth uh and uh but at the same time uh body of christ bride of christ that they're used in two different i i think senses i prefer to use the term bride of christ because this whole bible is a love letter that's what it is and and it's it's a love letter written from a bridegroom to his bride but yes he is going to be coming for his bride and that bride is going to be watching and waiting for him now in that waiting are they just sitting in a chair doing nothing no just like you and i are doing right now we are wanting to get this word out to as many people as possible how many times did jesus say according to your faith being unto you i'm saying if if your faith is into going through the tribulation he is not going to drag you kicking and screaming into a pre-trib rapture but i i would just ask you i would just ask you to consider that it is true i would just ask you to consider that he wants you to be a part of that just like he's coming for his bride and and i'm telling you i i keep looking out the window okay i'm listening oh oh car car horn a that's really the case but it is you know we're kind of poking fun but it really is that close it really is that close and just as it's that close so is hell for those who choose not to accept him and hell is real and and here's the one thing that i you know there's a couple of things about it god did create hell he did but he created it for satan and his angels he did not create it for man and but the only way that you can avoid that is he tells us we've got to be born of his spirit and uh and and we've got to crucify and die to that natural spirit and and and so it's you know it's it's no one's gonna say that this christian life is easy even for those ones that that say that and you don't have to be purified purified yes you are going to be he tells us that the work that he has begun in us he will complete so i know that's going to be the case but just like i pointed out how wonderful your and how expansive your senses are in heaven right the beauty that you can take in the the wonder of the smells and the sounds and the heavenly choirs and singing and all of this this is so diametrically opposed to the very same thing that's going to happen to those people who are in hell because they're going to have the very same expanded senses and they are going to be experiencing the pain the separation the the just the agony of that and uh and it it's just you oh my goodness oh my goodness you don't want that you don't want that i don't want that for you i don't want that for anybody and and i'm just saying choose jesus amen that's why he gave me this message to bring back is to say hey guys i know this myself he loves you just like he loves me he loves you and all you have to do is say yes to him say yes so that's that's really what that is so we're gonna go back to jesus and the father said gotta go back and i'm going backwards what's happening well what's happening and is i'm being drawn backwards and i'm headed back at the very s just the very same way except opposite as the way that i came in i came in head first and this uh funnel shape into this tunnel is kind of down away from me and i'm going backwards down towards it well i actually rotate over to where almost like a slalom right where you're i'm going first but i can see the direction that i'm going and i go through that barrier and i'm in the tunnel again and and and all the angels they're still there still around the tunnel and they're still you know chattering and talking to each other and that sort of thing and and still excited and everything else well so i'm going through there and just like when i came in it's very fast and i come out the other side and i'm in space and uh and i i'm i've gone past galaxies and that i've gone through as i enter our solar system and i passed several of the planets right and then oh my goodness right in front of me is this beautiful blue marble the earth wait hold on are you saying that the earth is not flat um no it is not only not flat neither is any of the other planets or anything else they are round globes and to any of those naysayers that want to say anything different i'm sorry i've been there i've seen it leaving and coming and it is not some flat disc with some dome on top if it was i'd tell you guys but it wasn't but i'm out there and with these spiritual eyes jennifer it is stunningly beautiful and i'm headed towards it and i'm thinking like that is so beautiful i'd always wanted to have some type of view like that i never would have thought it would have happened like this for me to get it but but but this was the case and i'm still heading towards it i go all the way and i'm going through the cloud layers down and down and down and uh you can see the land masses and i'm headed towards the area that looks like texas and so forth and i'm going down and all the way in and you can see it the whole way every little detail i could discuss them but it would take too long too long so i come down into where we are living in texas and i can see linda she's still sitting there and she's still looking up well she's watching me come in but but this time i'm not coming down beside her i'm actually coming down over in through the roof of the house that that we were living in and everything i see every detail with this supervision i can see the grain of the individual shingles the the lumber and everything inside the deal even the the insulation and the pink of it as i go through there you know it's the pink fiberglass insulation and i come through the ceiling and we had in that particular house there was this uh acoustic ceiling treatment called popcorn and if you can remember that and at i level with it as i go through i can see all the and so anyway but i looked then down and there's my body on the bed and i am right over the top of it now again although i'm seeing all of this detail i'm traveling at a very high speed and so what happens i can see denise she's still laying there on the bed and she's asleep i can see my dead body it's right there and i then enter in through my chest my feet enter in through the chest first well i'm going so fast that what's happening is that at one point it's like this locking into place uh or a kind of a connection is made to where it's like i'm in there right and uh and the connection there was so much power in this that when this connection is made my physical body is actually catapulted up and over off the end of the bed out into the center of our lit of our bedroom and i landed just first right out there on the floor with this big thud and that's what woke denise up i was about to ask you that if she would she woke up to him yes definitely because she hears this big buddha out in the middle of the floor which is me and she wakes up with a start right and uh i am immediately in pain and but this pain is different uh it's it's like this burning you know like you know when you have an injury and then after the fact you know is it starting to heal it's this burn right and so that's what's happening is it's completely different but i'm not able to speak just yet uh and i'm trying to turn around and to to crawl because i barely have any strength in me but i'm trying because i can hear denise and i'm crawling towards the edge of the bed and what i'm trying to do because i can't call her i figure that what i'll do is i'm going to reach up with my hand and get her attention by grabbing her foot at the end of the bed well okay i didn't think about just what kind of reaction i would get from that but i did i reach up and i grab her and she just like like what okay she lets out this this this real excited kind of guilt and and then she looks at me and she says wayne and i'm trying to be able to get this out the most important words that i can get out to her and i force out with all the strength that i have in me i just met god amen and she said what and her eyes get real big and i said it again i just met god and then i collapsed on the floor because i didn't have any more strength and and i couldn't do anything but she ended up of course she immediately jumps up runs to my side and it's another whole experience of eventually uh she she i tell her the whole story while she's there she tells me i need to go to the the hospital she thinks i've had a heart attack and um and the reason why she would have thought that is and why we didn't we didn't think of this until then but my mother she knew about my mother who had her first heart attack when she was guess when 27 27 wow did she survive that your mother he did and she had a couple of others they said she shouldn't have survived it because they called it a widow maker oh so do you think it was a um some kind of curse that was put on your family where i don't know but i i don't think that it's just coincidence yeah that's oh there's 27 especially what hollywood they have i'm sorry soft topic but i know hollywood they have the 27 club where they pass away that's true i mean actually to tell you the truth i hadn't even thought about that but that's wow that's it's just something that happened uh ultimately like i said it's it's a it's a wonderful uh story in itself but i did go to the the hospital but but before i did i had to get a little bit of rest and so i she said i've got to call the ambulance we've got to get you to the hospital i said no no baby and and she said but what if you die again and you don't come back this time and she was so concerned but i smiled at her and i said baby jesus is not going to send me back just to have me die again and she went oh okay and i said i promise you let me just get a couple of hours of rest it was it was between four and five o'clock in the morning at that time so i had been gone for quite some time uh and uh then ultimately i did go and the doctor did verify that i had a massive heart attack and he also then verified that my heart was in perfect condition and there was what that's crazy yep i had one person that had mentioned one time and and this was so there was more miracles more miracles um and uh one person that had made this comment well maybe you were thrown out of bed like that so that to start your heart again and and i thought you know what maybe maybe that was a i needed a little holy cpr you know but uh in either case that that's actually what happened um and uh and ultimately then as well i didn't know for the longest time jennifer why i was sent back i did discover quite soon that one of the reasons why i was sent back was because i would tell people amen i started with my wife i told everyone at the hospital every doctor member of the staff the people in the waiting room i did not stop from that day to today telling people about the love of christ well you know what could you just do us a favor um you not knowing in 1989 and prior who jesus was in not knowing who god was but believing that there was a god there may be a lot of people out you know watching this who are like wow i want your jesus could you tell us and tell the audience how they could accept jesus christ into their lives yeah oh that would be such a privilege you know let me let me just ask you and i want to talk to you people because first before we get into prayer i just want to tell you something if you're questioning about whether god is real if you're questioning about who is this jesus if you want to know then i understand that because you see i've been there and i was there for for a long time and i i just want you to know that i can sympathize with those feelings but i can also tell you that also having met jesus it is a life changer it is a game changer it is when you if you reach out and say yes then you are going to find the true lover of your soul you're going to find someone who loves you beyond what you ever ever thought possible and this god wants to be able to shower you with this love if you're wanting to find out about that i just want to be able to to to have you follow along with me in in a little prayer but but pray from the heart i you've really got to mean this if you're really searching this can be it for you so let's do that now and just just repeat after me heavenly father i believe that your son jesus is real i believe that he is god that he is god and i'm asking for him to come into my heart right now for him to come into my heart right now i believe that jesus was crucified i believe that jesus was crucified and i believe that he rose from the dead after three days and i believe that he rose from the dead after three days and i believe that he is going to fill me and change my heart to a new heart and i believe that he will fill me and change my heart to a new heart i'm asking you jesus i'm asking you to do that right now i'm asking you jesus to do that right now i am asking you to change me i am asking you to change renew me i want you to take this old me and replace it with a completely new me i want you to take this old me and replace it with a completely new name and i'm believing right now that you are doing it that you are doing it and i thank you for having changed me i thank you for having renewed me and i thank you in jesus's name for it all amen amen glory to god amen yeah and you know look people if any one of you have prayed that prayer the first thing i want you to do is i want you to go tell someone tell someone about it and and why that's important is you need to be able to start to move in this new life don't wait i didn't the very first thing i did was tell someone and you are going to see things change i want you to know that right now and and i want you to find a bible i want you to start reading it and i want you to find and put people around yourself bible-believing people find a bible-believing church and they will help you they will help you to find and to grow and to learn those things that are going to give you the new steps that you need to take right now and i thank you as you are now a new brother and sister in christ god bless you amen wayne thank you so much for this interview you're quite welcome jennifer i thank you so much it's been a pleasure [Music] you

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Length: 123min 38sec (7418 seconds)

Published: Tue Mar 22 2022