Clinically DEAD Preacher Died While Serving GOD & He Asked God Why! | Rev. David Maginley

we don't realize how lonely we are here we don't realize how profound the sense of separation is but there the connection to everything was indescribable and I'm just walking on a grassy Hill [Music] I've been able to partner with Mindvalley to present you guys free master classes between 60 and 90 minutes hovering Mind Body Soul relationships and conscious entrepreneurship taught by spiritual Masters Yogi's spiritual thought leaders and best-selling authors just head over to nextlevelsoul.com forward slash free foreign I'd like to welcome to the show David McKinley how you doing David I'm doing really well how are you I'm very good my friend thank you so much for coming on the show I'm I'm excited to talk to you about your experiences you've had you've had a pretty interesting Journey so far yeah I'd say so but we I don't think we'd ever consent to the journey if we knew what was a hit or maybe we do and we forget before we Embark I don't know but what a wild ride it is a wild wild ride to say the least so uh before we get into the interesting the really interesting parts of your journey what was your life like before your your near-death experience oh well it was uh the life of an insecure extremely tall uh young cocky guy who didn't really know who he was in the world but was faking like most young men do and stumbling along um I was very introverted very shy uh grew up in a family of five so you know you're you're fighting for your your your place at the table and uh so I kept mostly to myself right and um just moved along uh stumbling upon uh friends and interesting experiences and topics that that sort of made me go hmm and then a big one happened I was diagnosed with cancer now you were diagnosed with cancer prior to your near-death experience yeah I was 17 years old oh my God and uh this was not a kind of cancer that most people have ever heard of the the full name is perendanglioma and it's um 90 of these grow on the adrenal gland it's an encapsulated tumor that it's on the adrenal gland and it's making a Molotov cocktail of chemicals so it's danger is not that it's going to spread out and compromise the body's metabolism and different organs but instead it sits there waiting to explode it's got dopamine norepinephrine catecholamines these are very dangerous uh and it's like the the trigger the fuse is lit whenever my adrenal gland is activated so the moment I got excited or angry or afraid even if I exercised it triggered the adrenal gland and that would cause the tumor to explode most people die in about 30 seconds I was lucky I would have small explosions and um they looked to me like an anxiety attacks I didn't know I had this tumor in me and the the thing is my metabolic response was lower because the first tumor was in my bladder so I was peeing out uh the metabolites and it wasn't going directly into my circulatory system um so I survived it uh the doctor said oh it's a perendanglioma most of those 90 are benign don't worry about it you're good but it grew back again and again and again out of four times and each time it got worse um can I ask you can I ask you a quick question though before I forget when you were told for the first time you had cancer how does a 17 year old process that because I know I didn't I couldn't process that 17 so I was curious how would you how would you process it well I didn't process it either because the doctor said it's benign um and all right so I thought I was out of the woods I thought it was just this weird tumor and when I went to the library to look up the pering aglioma um after the word benign I just closed the book and said hey I got away with that one but it made me wake up and it made me ask some hard questions what is life all about that was a close call maybe I should stop living small and step out in my comfort zone I kept asking questions and they led to better questions so because of cancer I went to University and I studied the meaning of life so it did start you on on a path that you would have never been on exactly I thought it was going to be a recording engineer and a photographer um that that was what I enjoyed but no I um I studied philosophy and comparative religion and uh dug deeper and deeper eventually that led me to um a community well a Christian Community and I I experienced you know a lot of fun and a lot of belonging and but couldn't really swallow but they as it was presented I knew there was something deeper in there and I didn't have a vocabulary a language or a context for it so I actually went to Seminary where you're trained to be a minister right a pastor and I dug deeper and deeper I just kept going you you you were tunneling for something you were looking for a truth yeah I was I was looking for this underlying um the nature of the underlying mystery from which reality emanates and the the doctrine and the theology seemed like Windows but there was something beyond that [Music] um and then I was on internship right so I had a church I was a student minister though I wasn't a fervent believer right I knew I was in relationship with this mystery and this mystery was personified in the Christ right which I came to understand is a word that means the everything the consciousness and uh so I'm on internship in the tumors another tumor is back and it's getting active and I'm starting to have attacks and I'm passing out and my heart is racing and and uh it was really hard because I still thought that this was anxiety it really hit my self-esteem I was blacking out I was having dizzy spells getting in the pulpit right I put I I I I I I I I I joke I joked that I put a lot of people to sleep on a Sunday morning but it's not good when the minister passes out well let me ask you after all the studying and obviously we'll talk about your experience in a minute from this point of view why do you think that that tumor kept coming back there's a purpose for that I I believe that there's a purpose that when things like that happen to you there's like it like it literally changed the course of your your life but it kept coming back which was interesting not once not twice four times do you have a did you ever give a thought of that like why is this why did that happen yeah because I'm thick-headed yeah that's generally the way it works right um I I I asked that question quite a lot but I don't do that anymore and because because I'm not I'm never going to get an answer I'm never going to understand it from this side of the grass so instead of why did I get this I now ask what am I going to do with it becomes fuel for life for living for connection for adventure well it's it's it's that philosophy of life doesn't happen to me it happens for me in many ways yeah yeah and I am not a thing in the world I am a thought of the world very interesting way of looking at it all right so let's go to your near-death experience how did it happen and can you tell us a little bit about it so it was uh on internship it was that second tumor um I was it was really fortunate because I died in a hospital chapel that's a pretty good place to go okay serendipitous my friend yeah you got the doctors you got the nurses uh you got the people of Faith uh and I I was getting up to to do I was like two three minutes into the sermon and I felt it hit whenever the tumor hits It's like a punch in the gut and you get really warm and you start to sweat and your heart's racing and I breathe into it breathe into it pull yourself together but I couldn't and I blacked out I was I was gone before I hit the floor which is good because I'm I'm six feet eight inches tall wow right yeah and so you know the concussion is it's a long way down sir it's a long way down as they say long way down but um yeah I I passed I passed out and I was gone and uh suddenly like a lot of near-death experiences you have an outer body right you see yourself above and I didn't have that I was suddenly in a different Realm and it's it's difficult to describe I I'm sure all of your guests talk about that as soon as you put it into words you're reducing it in your they're not the poverty Awards just are inadequate however it sounds simple I was on a grassy Hill there was a tree at the top of the hill I wanted to run to the tree with every fiber of my being and I was one with everything I could feel every blade of grasses that moved I could feel the light flowing and the light was infused with love and it was flowing through me I could feel the tree drinking in the light but even more important I felt complete so as I'm talking with you there's a a massive amount of material in my subconscious that I'm not aware of and you know I'm thinking about how good the chicken smells downstairs for supper and I'm thinking about the day that I just had at the hospital with cancer patients and I'm not I'm not fully here no disrespect but fair enough right but there I was completely integrated congruent uh completely aware there was no aspect of myself that was suppressed or that I was blind to I think that's why people say they they feel that they were home we don't realize how lonely we are here we don't realize how profound a sense of separation is that there the connection to everything was indescribable and I'm just walking on a grassy Hill and I was I was me right so did I have an ego well I I don't I don't know if maybe I didn't it was integrated after all I feel like I only touched my my toe on the doorstep of whatever's out there but I was still me and I still had a body a biped humanly a person a perception of a body yeah yeah it was not like this body no way um and I was I was not alone there was an entity there a being human and yet not so much more than whatever I am and it was a masculine figure if I were to describe him I couldn't visibly like it didn't matter what he looked like but he was he looked like love and power and wisdom and compassion and Beauty and wonder and Authority that's what he looked like I mean but he felt like my best friend like like he had known me all my life and I'd known him um a lot of people ask me since I'm a Christian minister well sounds like Jesus did you meet Jesus and to be honest I never presumed it was the big guy I thought okay it's a junior Apprentice from the warehouse or someone right that but it didn't matter who he was he was no less infused with that that character of of what the Christ Consciousness or the Divine love or whatever you want to call it Alex we had uh just this relaxing conversation he said I I was jumping up and down like a kid at Christmas I was saying I'm home I'm home I'm home and he said yeah it's great to see you David welcome great to see you and I said it's great to see you too come on let's run to the tree so I'm behaving like a kid and he said oh no you can't go up there but let's let's walk and talk for a while so we're walking through the grass and we're talking about my life and it he says you know things are going really well I know he's talking about my overall life and I I know that I have a life here and I'm not here anymore but I didn't care how well things were going I I kept saying that's great come on let's go to the tree he says no you're doing great but you have a lot more work to do it's important and I said I don't care I'm here I'm home okay I wasn't being disrespectful right I was just enthusiastic and overjoyed and filled with more life and Vitality than I've ever experienced here and I said no I'm like come on let's go play he said because I knew if I got to the tree if I got to the top of the hill and saw what was on the other side I'd never come back here which is common it's all there's often this boundary this border window door yeah window door or something yeah yeah point on a return it's a point on our return all right really wanted but because I didn't want to come back here right another thing that most near-death experiences say like I don't want to come back I don't want to go back no way no way and he said he said look the work you have to do is really important and I I knew that wasn't specific things that was that was about growth and love and not only my own but to help others and I knew I felt the significance of that and he knew that and he said don't worry don't worry it's gonna be okay we'll be with you and I knew I wasn't going to win the argument and I said please stop please don't send me back you can't do that not not after I've arrived I I just got here and he put his hand on my shoulder and I felt this this love slow into me this compassion and said it's okay we will be with you we'll be with you every step of the way and it won't take long we'll see you later uh boom you're back really so there was no tunnel of life no life review when you guys were talking about your life was that would you associate that to be kind of a Life review like you were having specific conversations about parts of your life I wouldn't consider that a classic like review as in most uh other accounts in a near-death experience but he imparted the importance of my life the significance of what was to come the gravity of that and coming back is the hardest thing it it's the it's miserable you know what's so fascinating is and I know you I know from watching some of your other interviews that you you know you delve into the quantum physics and and to the science of of what why we're here of the reality of life in general the big questions and I was talking to a Quantum physicist the other day about um our life being very much like a video game and we are avatars and there is a player which is consciousness be aware of what is happening Consciousness Soul higher self and that we don't particularly know where we're going someone is moving you in the direction you need to go and some stubborn people like you and me will get reminded like no don't go in that door and you're like no no but I really want to go in that door don't go in let's just start like smacking you to like no this is the path and it's really interesting how because I've spoken to so many near-death experiencers they always seem to know that like if you're going back like no you've got to go back because this this and this is going to happen so there's kind of like this blueprint this mapping of a general idea of like these big things are going to happen to you and you're gonna do this this and this and as if you look at it from a video game perspective you know what levels are ahead of you because you've either read about them or you've experienced them but the player itself doesn't know go ahead I so appreciate that you you summed it up that's exactly it and I'm not allowed to remember that information what those specifics are I just knew I mean you showed me told me I knew the nature of this work right but I had to forget it all as soon as I am back in this right um which means you're stumbling along as much as ever before but it's kind of worse because you have a little bit of information yeah because yeah before ignorance was the Bliss and now you're just like damn it I kind of kind of I have a couple of bullet points now that I oh now it's more frustrating on top of that you are forever homesick for what you had become oh I can only imagine because then you know what's what's on the other side you're like oh I don't want to play this game anymore I want to go where the players are hanging out not where the avatars are hanging out and yet I know that I emanate from that I'm never separate from it but it sure feels like I am right because I'm left in this reality the one you're embedded in Alex as soon as you can real reconstituted as soon as you're re-embodied you feel the density of Flesh and the pull of gravity and the muck of words and how thoughts have to come one after the other and how they're totally inadequate and that reality which is so much more real than this just right it I think it it descends into your subconscious it it goes into the core of your being because you cannot integrate it right away you're going through existential dissonance you move from this level of Consciousness to one so expansive and then you're depressed back into this and so that's what happened I I felt myself back in the hospital on the floor I heard the voices of the doctors and the nurses who have been trying to resuscitate me my though my chest didn't hurt at all if they give me CPR and my wife at the time she was she was mad and scared and she said you were gone like 15 minutes no heart beat no no breathing wow I didn't care I didn't care about that I I just felt lousy I had a headache I felt confused that that that reality I touched upon all right was quickly removed from my conscious awareness they wrapped me in a blanket I felt really out of sorts and strange they checked my vitals they couldn't find anything wrong and he sent me home and I the first thing I did was I I crawled into bed I pulled the covers up and I grieved I didn't know why I was grieving it's it's fascinating that once you know that you are in it if I use the analogy the game if you once you know you're a player in a game you don't want to play anymore when you're ignorant to the fact that you're a player in the game and that that your higher self or the soul or their Consciousness is guiding you through this game you're just like oh why am I this is because this is not easy life is not easy this is this is not an easy Journey this is not an easy game to play it's very difficult and I don't play it well but it's designed that way it's designed for you to be challenged it's designed for you to go through crap it's designed for you to check all the time but it's on it's not hell it's the equivalent of working out you go to the gym you lift up weights it sucks but you have to tear down the muscle for it to grow simple lift repeat don't you don't have to believe it's going to do anything just do it and the muscle will grow with sleep and nutrition um in this game I'm not competitive um I'm not aggressive but I always felt the separation from from the ground to being and so it reanimated my faith in a completely new way I was no longer lifting my prayers as petitions to an external God I was now participating in the consciousness of God and God was not an old man with a beard sitting on a throne God is a word for the ground of being from which all of reality animates so how can I honor the Divine Light in everything in the sacred ordinary moments right [Music] um but because you're you're you're you're stuck in this and you're lying for that you still do stupid things to fill the hole make really unwise choices but that's hard because you know they're unwise and you do them anyway oh yeah foreign there's no there's no question about it I have to ask you though so once you came back yours is very interesting I haven't I haven't heard that kind of near-death experience before where you're gone for 15 minutes which technically means you're brain dead you shouldn't have any sort of conscious you were in a hospital or surrounded by nurses and doctors so they can all kind of test the testimony that this is actually happening so that already breaks the thing and then they they send you home the same day they don't even like hang out for observation which is fascinating and you just it's kind of like you just had like a bad case of gas you got knocked out you were sent home afterwards and you had this near-death experience during the process I'm assuming that the after effects of this what you just said in regards to the re the different kind of faith and the the way you interact with God consciousness how did the people around you deal with this new version of you because this is something that happens to at least everyone I've spoken to have heard about that have a near-death experience they come back completely different human beings and people around them have difficult time sometimes well I liked I think I was a pretty decent human being before it happened it's the ultimate principles changed her very much sure I also didn't I didn't talk about it I didn't share it with anyone for years um but I did find that within a few months of returning from internship back to the final year at Seminary that I had developed a sensitivity to energy and so I explored that and was trained in Therapeutic Touch right energetic healing modality and even as I do this I can feel it between my fingers that was different and um and the road ahead uh was was different because I I began to have mystical moments coincidences uh the things that I couldn't shrug off can you can you can give you an example oh you know it's the the typical ones where you think of someone and they call or you know you can read the energy of someone of the fox and and um but they're so fleeting that that um I didn't I didn't think of it as an ability I would just think oh that's weird but now it's a look back it's like oh wow that's quite a lot now these are very common actually I'm not saying I'm exceptional a great study by The Institute of noetic Sciences found there are over 90 of people experience these non-ordinary states of Consciousness for you know fleeting moments in their life but they increase significantly when my cancer returned for the third time so then so you had two kids two cancer scares a near-death experience and apparently that's not enough for you so then go he hasn't learned yet we got to send him at least one maybe two more cancer scares what okay so this is interesting to me because now you're getting the diagnosis of cancer again same one right same exact same so you're getting the same cancer diagnosis after your you've gone to the other side and come back did a small part of you say oh God I hope this is the one that gets me because I just want to go back I've heard that before yeah I'm afraid that every time I was on the operating room table I'd say a little prayer and it would be like oh please let me die for just a little bit okay come on just a peek I'm not asking for the whole meal I mean that'd be great I just want to go back to the field and every time I'd wake up after the operation or I got nothing and I'd I'd wake up I'm in the recovery room and I'm my first thought would be oh come on come on please and I get nothing well let me ask you then I mean you you obviously became more conscious more aware of things you you became your your your vibration your con your your Consciousness in general had gone up it leveled up after this near-death experience and then when you get hit with with this cancer diagnosis again do you ask what am I missing here did you did you do some self value like did you dive deep and go okay again this is happening for a reason I have so much more information now why is this happening at this point again yes and my conclusion was always I guess I've got a lot of growing up to do what was it what was it trying to teach you though what is this whole cancer aspect of your life trying to teach you have you figured that out yet well what I did with it was learn how to love um learn how to grow up and wake up right you look at integral Theory that's that's a really good model Ken Wilbur's stuff um but I I I honestly I didn't do that when I um making a lot of mistakes because when we don't know how to love we injure the people we love I did that um just being selfish uh not being considerate uh and here I am now ordained right a minister but I I didn't know what I didn't know and I had a lot of majority ahead of me yeah cancer did that in your in your ministry uh are you still a bit at odds with the teachings versus what you know as the truth the religious problem that you were saying earlier like the window but it wasn't it's kind of foggy not there exactly yeah um yeah there's some tension there but see I'm a Lutheran minister so if you know Anglican and Catholic Lutheran is very much like that so you got your Protestants and your Catholics and lutherans started to mass 500 years ago but at its heart the Lutheran faith is a reform movement always upgrade the faith um and so that's what I do and my language focuses around consciousness and uh my work see I'm a hospital chaplain with cancer patients and palliative patients in the ICU so I engage people to use suffering to um to use suffering is a functional process that deconstructs the ego as a process of waking up and moving towards transformation It's very effective at doing that and triggers of course eco-defense mechanisms for self-preservation and we don't like it but that's what suffering does so again I don't ask why did this happen I help people say okay it's poke and fuel for transformation how are we going to use this to grow up and wake up in love that's very powerful I mean those are that I mean the your your buddy on the on the on the grassy knoll uh he was speaking the truth do you have very important work to do this is I mean I I I mean I've I've have multiple family members who are doctors and I've been around the medical field most of my life uh not personally in it but just adjacent to it so I'm familiar with what they do and how they do it and being around uh patients I Can Only Imagine the the help that you're bringing to so many Souls by doing the work that you do it is really really important work to give somebody an understanding of why they're going through hell and how they can transform that into something positive in their life's journey yeah and I'll share a tool that I use that really powerful and it's from the Buddhist tradition uh it's a meditation called tonglen and this means receiving it and giving so I'm sitting with a person they may be in significant existential distress because they're worried about dying they're worried about the burden of grief and worry on their family members and they're worried about the suffering that may be ahead because they have leukemia right and it's not going good so I sit with them and I say okay let's use the energy of this suffering it's powerful stuff I want you to take on everyone's problems like it that look in their eyes let's see it's very simple think of the patient in the Next Room they're going through similar things you're the expert in your experience and what it's like to struggle with this close your eyes breathe into it identify the greatest like a strong facet of what what's hard about this so maybe it's fear of dying right where do you feel it oh it's right here in my heart okay breathe into it allow it let it live stay with it now breathe in more of it from that patient in the Next Room draw it out of their body into yours increase Yours by taking theirs when you breathe out send back your compassion to them could be light could be the words I understand I'm with you I get it I'm right with you I say only you can do this breathe in take it in there powerful because compassion is not some wish you wash a nice thing in the Buddhist tradition you become a Buddhism a warrior of compassion not by fixing things but by embedding yourself in that which is not shrinking back from it in any way and now by pulling in the pain of other people you have agency you have power you're making a difference and the research shows that it's the case even though the other person's in the Next Room their metabolism their Vital Signs will start to synchronize with yours pretty cool so I teach them this and it changes their relationship to their own fear and suffering that empowers them to face what is instead of reach for something that may be unrealistic I want to bring them back to this moment that is the only moment that touches upon eternity that's fascinating you since you work in the medical Arena I'd love to hear your thoughts on why do you think that the medical establishment dismisses these near-death experience the near-death experience phenomenon as much as it does and now there's much more I mean since Raymond Moody much more information about this and that information about the phenomenon and some Quantum physicists are talking about proof of you know mathematical quantum physics proof of how things happen and and out-of-body experiences and all that kind of stuff in your opinion from your colleagues why do you think that they can't open up to that and and what's your experience I'm assuming you everyone knows that you've had a near-death experience at a point and they go you know how is that how is that when you're at we're in the cafeteria how does that work right so they do know because I presented on the subject at Grand rounds right and it was the highest attended Grand rounds they've ever had in history and the most highly rated one too standing room only there were hundreds in the room and there's resistance to it because there's they're not familiar with it and the medical team are embedded in the material reductionist mechanistic model of fix the body they don't explore the mystery of consciousness and they're not familiar with the research behind it I find the vast majority of nurses and doctors are fascinated by it and open to it I've never been shut down I've never been met with the condemnation or ridicule at most a doctor might say well I don't know I think it's hypoxia so I'll talk about hypoxia for a bit but it can create an existential dissonance again that's a different reality so I'm like well hey we'll all find out one day won't we then we smile and we all laugh and we move on but the nurses like the nurses are with the patient as they die right the nurse is witness nearing death awareness the nurses know that's great yeah it's they are I found that they are much more open to because they just have more experience with death and they're there all the time and it's it's it's remarkable I mean uh you know what the last three words of Steve Jobs was on his deathbed wow wow oh wow oh wow oh wow yeah it's those that's so I get chills when I say that like it's like it's amazing that you know God I mean I've I've have people who are in the family who work in hospice and deal with literally seeing death around them all the time and you can't see you can't be a witness to so much of that without asking a question or two you just can't you can't uh on that note did you see the New Yorker cartoon of God introducing Jesus to Moses and he's saying uh Moses are introducing Steve Jobs to Moses he says Moses this is Steve he's going to upgrade your tablets some commercials that's genius yeah that's absolutely brilliant um now one thing I wanted to ask you uh and I've heard you talk about this before and I'd love to hear your opinion on it the resurrection of Jesus was that or couldn't that been taken as a near-death experience or in your opinion from your studies in your research or is it a resurrection I don't think it's a near-death experience I don't see how it it it it it it it jives with that uh I do think it was a mystical apparition as many people have experienced with angels right um the majority of people as they're dying will see their welcoming party right it begins in lucid dreaming and then as the days and hours approach they will see their their welcoming party looking Ezreal or more real than the other physical people in the room I think that the resurrection of of Jesus was a actual manifestation um but different than this body you know the interesting little clues in it uh Mary when he appears to marry she wants to embrace him and he goes like whoa whoa you can't touch me yet because I've not yet ascended and there's something weird about that what's he talking about right can't touch me so it's not this kind of body and then he's doing weird things like he's appearing and disappearing or he's passing through doors the disciples are locked away in a room but he just walks and appears so I think by location or you know some sort of manifestation of a different type of form yeah uh I don't think the resurrected body was like our body he wasn't he didn't zombie out is what you're saying yeah yeah he wasn't walking around like a zombie at that point no it wasn't the physical body that was walking around astral body right right something like that and and again if you go back into The Vedic texts you hear about by a location constantly you know with yogis and I ascended masters who can be at two places at the same time and and things like that so it seems like that would be more make more sense I was just curious to hear your point of view on that um I'm curious about because you I know you love talking about or or dived into quantum physics and how science is meeting spirituality can you talk about from a point of view of someone who's had a near-death experience and who has studied the quantum physics and those those theories of simulation Theory and and you know the Illusion in Maya and the and from a point point of view of someone who's actually had a near-death experience do you what do you think about how it's all coming together now because quantum physics has been around for about 100 years but really hasn't made any major jumps since then essentially but people are starting to you know like I think some I think with some Japanese uh Quantum physicists who proved that they said simulation theory is mathematically possible and more likely probable that our universe is is a hologram an illusion of some sort which is what they've been saying since it's 5000 years ago Maya and that was the conclusion of Stephen Hawking in his final paper that was posted just after his test right that we live in the simulation so it's simply about uh it's a bit it changed it takes time to to change culture science itself progresses one funeral at a time right uh Max Planck said that's one of the fathers of quantum physics um look at electricity even though uh it it goes way way back it took almost 50 years for it to be adopted into industry right it's difficult to change your ways uh we're talking about entire paradigm shift uh and yet the nature of reality and the progress both on the evolutionary scale and in the human scale is exponential right um the changes between um 250 000 years ago to 50 000 years ago didn't feel like there were any changes they were so small and incremental it would take you know probably decades or hundreds of years for viral mutations to occur but that rate of change is exponential and now it takes US dollars for viral mutations to occur our growth and adoption and intelligence bringing in writing and art and then mathematics and science it you look at the rate of change check out Ray Kurtz Wheels work on this an integral um the law of accelerating return so Chris wheeldale.ai we passed the knee of the Curve back in the 80s or 70s and it's we're rocketing up so the rate of change in adoption of quantum theory and in spiritual Technologies is going to continue to accelerate and expand out uh now we have artificial intelligence that's just on the verge of becoming you know well I don't I don't know if we can say awake but you know General AI is is rapidly aware aware yeah where and uh with that people will be augmented and then integrated with the cloud uh so there I think there is a merging of Science and spirituality because it really is about Consciousness and connection the problem isn't science the problem is scientism and material reductionism died right 100 years ago but the religions have failed to keep up how you speak with this yeah no doubt my friend it's not part of our theological training um but we it needs to be so I could see uh theological training that's bringing in quantum physics and the nature of Consciousness but you don't need to wait for the church to do it it's already happening your program is evidence of that the Groundswell of the appetite for this is huge so it's it's happening all around us uh I expect by 2050 the second Reformation will have occurred the merging of Science and spirit will have happened the studies in Consciousness will be exponential uh augmented by AI but I also worry about all this because with this technology we can destroy ourselves we're wrecking the planet and while poverty rates are decreasing education rates are increasing the disparity between the very rich and the Very and the rest of us is continuing to expand and I'm totally ignorant of what those high levels of Power are doing with the world part of me wants to say stay ignorant of that thank you very much and just do my sacred work Here and Now you're a curious Soul though I do think that I think you were saying a very very uh clearly with electricity as a con as an analogy to our this conversation is that it takes forever for things to change especially you know people are fighting for lamp oil you know I mean Rockefeller was still like no no no lamp oil is the way it's this electricity thing needs to go away because it was like there's a lot of money same things happening now with oil and electric cars and and combustible engine it will take we've had electrical electrical cars since the late 90s that's right yeah you're right I forgot it I mean like exactly when I first saw it in my lifetime it was in the 90s but yes I I there are patents for electrical cars in the 30s um but they've been squashed but I think that everything is going to be I think we're right now and I think you would agree with this we're going through a major shift in in everything Consciousness the world uh the pandemic the everything that's happening is a massive shaking of the Etch-a-Sketch of the world there will be I think there will be a reset I think what you're talking about in regards to the economy uh and the the rich being rich there's going to be a massive economic reset some it can't it can't continue like this you can't have trillionaires uh and there are people who can't eat like that's not something that the world will accept there's there's a Tipping Point I think at one point or another but every Act of Creation is first an act of Destruction it's gonna get worse before it gets better yep so I look at uh with that I look at studies in urban resiliency and what they found was if you have everything you need within a two kilometer walk then you'll be okay let that two kilometer Circle Be Your Community build the strength of relationships and that will be healthy and robust in the face of wider economic and Global catastrophes so that changes urban planning transportation resource allocation agriculture Coastal vertical agriculture right uh I really took that seriously and I lived close to the hospital I walked to work I walk to downtown I I hardly ever use a car and um I I built the relationships in my neighborhood and in my community very high quality of life as a result it's a good lesson for everybody listening to learn um from this um I have to tell you this has been a very enlightening uh conversation to say at least David uh and it's unlike most of my near-death experiences because we went deeper into the meaning of life and and reality it itself which is generally uh something we don't talk about on these kind of shows but it's something that I am getting more and more into and I think it's something that really needs to be talked more about because people are hungry about this and the crazy idea of of simulation Theory where now science is going no no no that's not that crazy it really wasn't yeah and I I want to encourage your your viewers don't lose hope yeah because the uh in the end uh love wins right and love is not an emotion love is the highest state of consciousness and we are all on an exponentially accelerating path that's embedded in evolution to become that to wake up and be that uh practice where you're planted let love be your spiritual practice um and trust that you make a big difference in the world with the people you're you're you're around right and that's the ripple effect and and be serious and creative and have fun with it and hang on I know it's a wild ride but it ends well so keep shining keep shining the world needs your light keep shining and just like birth you know it's gonna get a little messy yeah but it's okay have a towel have a towel get some hot water and uh you'll move on and don't panic and don't pay it's gonna be fine it's all gonna be fine it's gonna be okay David I want to ask you a few questions ask all my guests um what is your definition of living a good life realize that you're the product of your life so be kind be gentle um and be able to distinguish what's your homework and what's their homework and do your homework love how do you define God is the ground of being the love which is the underlying Consciousness from which reality emanates and what is the ultimate purpose of life to grow up in the um evolutionary process of becoming mature human beings right and then to wake up this way towards that which you are you are a sacred One of a Kind manifestation from a realm of pure Consciousness dimension of absolute love you're never separate from that so waking up from it moves you from the material realm to the causal of the subtle the astral and the non-dual checkout integral Theory and go down the rabbit hole and where can people find out more about you and the work you're doing sure uh well I hope it's never at work I never want to meet you at my work exactly not a good place to be children come to my website so it's davidmcginley.com McGinley is m-a-g-i-n-l-e-y and there you're going to find resources and interviews and speaking engagements and all the requisite stuff I've got a great book out called Beyond surviving cancer into her spiritual journey which was a bestseller in Canada and has raised thousands for cancer patients it's really good so if you're going through cancer or you know someone who is that would be helpful but it's good for everyone and um yeah we'll explore investigate be curious David thank you so much for coming on the show it's been an absolute pleasure talking to you and thank you for not only sharing your story for the work you're doing in the world my friend I appreciate you thank you I appreciate this too you're doing amazing stuff and have fun [Music]

Channel: Next Level Soul Podcast

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Length: 56min 41sec (3401 seconds)

Published: Thu Dec 29 2022