Paul Crouch Jr. Reveals the Truth of His Time at TBN

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[Music] let's bury this let's put it under the rug because we don't want to hurt the ministry we don't want to hurt cbn we don't want to you know shake the empire tbn had already been dealing with some pretty serious accusations and you know my dad had been accused of uh sexual harassment of a african-american employee that you know had already hit the papers and this is all public information if you want if you want to check me out you can google any of this join the conversation and welcome to inside voice welcome friends you know throughout the ages history gives account of great dreamers and visionaries even men of the bible whose faulted path led them to do great things the private stories of these great men and women however reveal the human struggle the sacrifice the temptations the victories and the defeat behind their courageous feats and the building of empires well my guest today has lived a full life of hard work triumph conflict heartbreak and purpose he's dined with kings and yet he still makes room for the poor his life has been painted with vivid strokes of brilliance wisdom and insight but most importantly he has embraced the road of humility for the greater work of god in the ever-changing seasons of his life he's none other than my husband paul crouch jr and i want to welcome you baby for the second time on inside voice it's always a joy for me to have purposeful conversation with you thank you sweetie it's an an honor to be here it really is and i hope through our stories and and through our pain and suffering that we can actually help those that are watching you know we've talked about this that these programs that we do are not about you and me but it's about the viewer and trying to bring hope and healing to a hurting world and that's that's what this is all about amen and that's why we are going to talk from a really transparent and uh pretty vulnerable place today and we're just going to share some of your story and what god has done the enrichments and how he can bless us in the pit when we absolutely feel like our lives have faced the end the end of an era the end of a dream i want you though to first give a little bit of background for some of our viewers who might not be familiar with your history and how you served your parents for over 20 years uh i mean collectively you could tell us um at tbn yeah well i think for the millennial generation all you have to do is google paul and jan crouch and a plethora of stuff will pop up you know on your search engine and some of it true much of it not but you know the thing that that i want people to know is my parents paul and jan crouch were true pioneers number one they pioneered the whole world of christian television you know they had mentors with pat robertson and some others but you know they literally put it all on the line and in 1973 you know my parents uh had come through a season of film production my dad worked for the assemblies of god he managed a radio station for a season but in 1973 god called my parents into christian television they connected many don't remember with jim and tammy baker and that was the birth of trinity broadcasting network and literally you know my dad used to say all the time that if you were going to pick two people to start what has become the world's largest network not christian network but one of the world's largest networks the last two people you would choose would be paul and jen crouch and the simple reason is this number one they didn't have any money they weren't talented they couldn't sing my dad wasn't a preacher per se he knew the word but he certainly wasn't pastoring a large church or anything but when god called him and the lesson for each and every one of us is that they were obedient and they said yes to god they also said do not despise small beginnings because tbn literally started in a a small little studio about the size of this room i'm in right now and it just went from there and and you know when god blesses something you gotta you know you don't know if you're driving the ship or the ship's driving you because i know there were times with my dad he didn't know you know whether to hang on or jump off it got so crazy at times but they were very obedient people and god blessed tbn and i grew up in that environment in 1973 i'm just a young teenager and the first seven years of tbn from 73 to 80 i was literally there every day i actually went to correspondence high school i didn't go to normal high school so i could work with my parents literally every day i learned lighting i learned camera i learned directing i learned audio i learned how to clean the toilets i learned how to run cable and in those days literally we were all doing a little of everything i opened the mail i used to take uh letters to the p.o box i mean it was just you know whatever had to get done we did it and that was a a marvelous learning experience for me it was you know it was just something that as a young teenager i loved and i knew at that point brenda i knew that media was going to be my future you know as a little boy you grow up i want to be a baseball player i wanted to be a policeman i wanted to be a fireman uh or a doctor but at 13 i knew when i walked in that studio for the first time this was my future and god really has blessed that since uh you know from that day wow and that road has taken many many turns and at one point you left and started your own company right in 1980 i left um you know i was worried about the rapture in 1988 but we were all going to get raptured out here so i wanted to experience a few things that i didn't think you know being full-time at tbn but from the 80s to 2000 listen i worked with tbn very closely i helped produce shows i helped start some additional networks i worked with tb and i just didn't work for tbn and in that 80s and 90s i was able to travel and work with billy graham i traveled with bill bright i directed hour of power with bob schuler and i i just did a lot of different projects uh that i would not have had i stayed there full time but then in 2000 my dad called me and he said son you know we're not getting any younger um you know i certainly wasn't getting getting any younger but i had a plethora of of experience and contacts and certainly a great knowledge base to bring back to tbn and that's what i did so in 2000 i came back and for 12 years i was there literally every day running production building new uh studios i mean it was just it was never a dull moment and it's you know i loved every moment moment of it uh but then in 2012 is what we call the perfect storm and that's when i left yeah and you went from being really behind the scenes for so many years to really something you may not have realized how gifted you were at being in front of the camera as well and you were thrust in front of the camera for various reasons which you can uh talk about but uh it kind of led you to this season where you did you did enter the perfect storm and many people have questioned well where did paul go many people were hurt uh you know for years there's been a lot of questions that have come to us privately and uh i think that it it will help to bring some clarity today and some healing for you to be able to talk about this yeah well you know again in the early 2000s my dad's health started to decline a little bit what we later found out is he was dealing uh believe it or not with alcoholism and i was struggling with that as a son where the son kind of becomes the father and the father you know uh to the the son to the father and so that was an issue so i started hosting a little daily show they did we did called behind the scenes and it was a daily report on here's what's going on at tbn uh i did that alone i did that with my father i did that with various guests and then like you said i kind of went in front of the cameras kicking and screaming a little bit and i started to host praise the lord program and you know when a door opens you walk through it and that's simply what i did it was not my goal or my dream to ever be you know in front of the camera but i do know and i do i did get feedback from people that were ministered by the shows the interview styles i had was very different than many other hosts we had so i was just a part of the you know of the overall pizza so to speak and and i brought my own style and flair to all of that but you know it in late 2010 and 11 is when a lot of drama started to take place my brother uh was running a film company called generation entertainment and for years we were funding money to generation from tbn to do films the goal was that that money would generate revenue and and bring revenue back to tbn in addition to being able to air the films and then let that fund kind of perpetuate itself as we would do more and more films in the future the issue and the problem was that just never came to to be and that just never came to fruition and finally my dad said okay we are done funding generation entertainment we're not funding any more money to that corporation and it was a public corporation it was had you know it was on the new york stock exchange and and there was just some issues with a non-profit that we were very concerned about so matt came back in 2010 uh i was on the board they brought matt on the board you know we were kind of dealing with some issues there and clearly if you look at the history my brother wanted me out and we ran into this thing which still to this day confuses me because it was kind of like a jacob and esau moment and you know my dad uh his eyes were dimming in his older age and my and my my brother clearly lied uh to him about me matt went into my personal email there at tbn unbeknownst to anybody and found emails of how i was absconding money how i was having multiple affairs and he just dug up all of this dirt trying to tear me down and then which by the way after all of this research and everything none of it was true uh that's something that does not ever come out in this story but the other issue is my daughter my youngest daughter cara had been molested and raped in atlanta georgia by a tbn employee and we ran into this situation i wasn't there my mother and my aunt and others of our family was in atlanta doing a telethon this incident happened and it it was it changed the world it changed everything because cara finally comes to her mother and says this has happened kara and her mother go to my mother and jan crouch and she did something that just blows my mind but it's called victim shaming and they blamed cara for what went on 35 year old engineer 13 year old little girl and somehow it was cara's fault let's bury this let's put it under the rug because we don't want to hurt the ministry we don't want to hurt cbn we don't want to you know shake the empire tbn had already been dealing with some pretty serious accusations and you know my dad had been accused of uh sexual harassment of a african-american employee that you know had already hit the papers and this is all public information if you want if you want to check me out you can google any of this so that's where it got ugly and what happened is i literally got called and pulled into it what i called sophie's choice and if any of us have seen that movie you know that poor lady had to decide which daughter to keep with her and which daughter put to on the train knowing she was going to her death and that is literally what i had to face i loved my parents i loved tbn i loved what we were doing we were getting tremendous salvations and healing reports but if i'm going to take a bullet for anyone i'm going to take a bullet for my daughter and i said no i i believe her i believe my daughter i think she was abused and i don't think she's lying and that's what happens so then kara goes and gets an attorney and once attorneys get involved you know katie bar the door it was like literally opening a pandora's box and for years that information was actually withheld from you you didn't know about what happened to kara because it was kind of hidden from you for whatever reason but when you did find out there was proof and the employee had been let go and uh so this put you all in estrangement it put you all in in such a difficult position and a very very painful one walk us through those days as you gave your resignation as you had been asked to thinking this is just temporary and here here was the perfect storm and this is where i think matt was this master manipulator in my opinion he he saw you know an opportunity and he took it honest before the lord to save tbn and to honor tbn i confronted my parents on two very serious issues one was what i mentioned earlier the alcoholism my dad literally was going on the air with me drunk literally where he was stumbling for words he had what we called marble mouth and and we were afraid on live television when you're not in your right mind god only knows what he could say or or yeah you know or or you know blurt out we just didn't know and he was literally going on praise the lord program i had a conversation with my brother and my mother after dad went on live praise the lord just just not in his right mind and we got my father help we got him doctors we got him as much assistance as we could professionally to try to deal with alcoholism the doctor told me your father is an alcoholic just classic and what's the first thing that alcoholics do is they deny deny deny but what i did with the assistance of our production director bob fatma he he gave me a dvd of one of the behind the scenes that my dad and i did where dad was just not there and i handed it to my father one night and this is where as a son when you're confronting your your own parents on the pain that he was suffering and yes you know his dealing with alcoholism we know that is just trying to mask the pain of i'm sure trauma in his background that's a whole other show but um he watched the dvd that night and he came back to me that the next morning and he almost came to me like a little child and he just said oh pj he called me pj he goes i'm so sorry i am so sorry so we kind of dealt with that and reconciled it but he was not real happy with me that i had you know kind of brought up the elephant in the room and then i also as uh chief of staff had gotten [Music] some footage from a security camera in orlando florida of a black and white camera that covered our parking lot and i saw footage of my mother and an employee there a guy named les cheval dayoff he played jesus at at that theme park and they were hugging and kissing inappropriately you know they were kissing like married people do not like a peck on the cheek thanks and i'm out of here and i confronted my mother on that issue also by the phone and when i did she again denied deny were friends i'm literally holding the phone this far from my ear because she was just yelling and tearing me down saying how could you bring this up so both of my parents were not thrilled with me but i was confronting what i thought i needed to do as chief of staff to save tb and the embarrassment and when my daughter's situation came about uh all they did is look at me and said get cara to drop the lawsuit get cara to drop her lawsuit they were looking at me she's your daughter she's your daughter get her to drop it and by that point the attorneys were in charge and i couldn't so out of your hands it was out of my hands so they asked for my resignation and i was so like tired of being caught in this storm and caught between a rock and a hard place i said fine i'm out of here and so i left and you know dad called me a few days later and said pj let's let this settle let's um we're going to do an investigation which they did all of the email stuff it's garbage and at that point he said in six months we'll bring you back and you know we'll all let's move on let's and the problem is after about six months my father's health truly broke and within a year of me leaving he was dead and at that point matt moved in moved in with my mother they took over the board you know they changed whatever they wanted to change and there at that point i was i i couldn't come back if i wanted to yeah well and god knew and he was faithful to you and i think this is what we really want to speak to for people today because many people were hurt in that and and just felt left with no answers um and so many people more importantly are hurt by their own devastation and the end of their dreams the end of i even there's family squabbles all over the place there's so much uh polarization that we're experiencing and mental health issues and people are hurting and i don't say that as as a way of labeling or throwing mud this is about hurting humanity and the fact that god will use flawed broken people but he also brings us because we are followers of christ if he loves us his blessing to us is to bring us into that place of where it's it feels like fire we're in the crucible and the blessing though is there so i want you in the next few minutes to let's let's really talk about how has god walked you through things and helped you face things that have developed that might not have without this experience let's talk about that well we talked about this you and i and i i've thought many times i thought you know if i could change anything or if i could change the past would i still leave or would i have fought to stay on the board or changed anything and honestly after going through what i've gone through i don't think i would change anything i mean like you said we you know it's through the fire that that the steel is hardened and sharpened and and god did a a tremendous work in me and i'm 51 years old i thought okay my the rest of my life and my career will be tbn helping my parents the transition from their you know passing to a new generation i really thought that was the future and i'd had that prophesied and all this other stuff and you know but when god closes a door and this is a lesson for each one of you watching i promise you he will open multiple doors in various directions i have never seen the righteous forsake forsaken or his seed begging for bread and i saw that i saw god when i literally thought i had lost everything i i got a two-week severance from tbn literally two weeks from my own father and my own you know that ministry um i didn't have any clients i didn't have any real you know other work but god scooped me up and there were other networks that had heard i'd left and i i got uh put on salary with them and and one of the prophecies you know that that did i think come to pass because i got a lot of them at that point and one of them was you remember the bumblebee prophecy yes yeah that they saw a field of flowers and each flower was a new network or a new opportunity or a new ministry or a new um you know digital platform whatever it was the media and this prophecy said you were the bumblebee and you were literally flying from network to network from ministry to ministry pollinating and as i as i landed and left the flowers got bigger and brighter and more color and you know by the time i flew out i mean the field had gotten uh much much brighter and bigger and so you know that's literally what took place you know since then i've had the opportunity work with some of the most amazing men people networks and as you and i both know we're starting our own network and our own tv programs and our own ministry we have our own tv studio now we're looking at building a new tv studio in israel believe it or not that's coming around the corner and it's all been god yeah the future is brighter now than i than i've ever seen and i'm just excited to get them to get up every day and just say okay god i'm ready to start swinging let's go you know i think that we like to focus on restoration as being the outward things and some of those things you just mentioned but really restoration begins with the heart it begins with the transformation of the inner man and you know it's situations like this that force us to have to unpack and take a deep look at the wounds that we carry the wounds of the past the present wounds and to take those and lay them at the feet of jesus and i i just want you to know that i'm proud of you i'm proud of your children they are thriving and what the enemy means for harm god promises us who love him that he will turn and use it for our good and i believe that means for the good of the kingdom not just for us personally but i do believe in you babe i know that uh i have gained tremendous respect for you in watching you carry the things you've had to carry with grace you've you've handed them to the lord and you've made yourself available to him and to you know a variety of clientele and ministries and i just want you to know that i'm proud of you and i think you know i've known you for a lot of years i knew you uh i've known you since 2010 and it was 2012 when you left but today you are a better man and i pray that i'm a better woman and live well i think we have helped heal each other we've talked about that but you know i i can honestly say um you know with as much manipulation and if this story ever got told completely i mean people would literally just think this is a bad movie if they saw you know what was told and uh the the manipulative aspect you know the questions that they asked my 15 16 and 17 year old daughter in the lawsuit uh just absolutely horrifying what what they were putting her through during the lawsuit now in that lawsuit you know tara won she went to the court and a jury of 12 unbelievers listened to the story and awarded her 3 million dollars now in my opinion nobody wins in a lawsuit like that i mean it's horrible to go through it's it's humiliating i know tbn spent probably 10 or 20 million dollars trying to uh defame her trying to call her a liar trying to do this and and you know the thing that just blows my mind matt and laurie have two little boys kaelin and cody and the thought of putting those boys through the trauma that they put my daughter through i mean i just can't even fathom it i would rather kill myself than harm a child like that but the bottom line is this god forgives i forgive i forgive my brother i forgive everybody involved if i don't forgive you know that's on me and it's going to tear me up and eat me up and like you said kara is thriving right now she has a beautiful little daughter and she's a registered labor delivery nurse at a hospital and she just she and i talk all the time and so it's it's it's it's hard but going through the fire in my opinion makes us better even though it's not fun as we both know when our prayer is for healing for healing in the body of christ healing in your family that doesn't mean we have an agenda that means we pray for healing of relationship and we believe for that and i just know that it's we don't get the beauty without face and the pain and so we just want to be an encouragement right to everyone and i just want to thank you for being vulnerable for talking about the things that uh really you you you're released to do now you for many years you weren't but you're released in this season and um thank you for being here thank you baby you're doing a good job keep it up thank you and friends we appreciate you and we hope that you out of all this can see that god wants to meet meet us in the place of our brokenness in the place of our humanity he is the one that brings us to restoration brings us to know who he is in the midst of the fire where we can have great joy and great peace no matter the circumstance we love you join us again next time i'm brenda crouch [Applause] [Music] you
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Length: 31min 19sec (1879 seconds)
Published: Fri Aug 19 2022
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