A FEW MORE PEOPLE TO GIVE YOU ARREST. THANK YOU, STEVE. AND JOINING US NOW IS SENATOR ROSEBURG, AUTHOR OF OPIUM CHRONICLES ON SUBSTACK. ON THE DEMOCRATIC SIDE NO ONE'S BOTHERING TO MENTION IT BUT THERE IS A HUMAN BEING RUNNING AGAINST JOE BIDEN. THAT HUMAN BEING, A MEMBER OF CONGRESS, DEAN PHILLIPS, GOT, SO FAR, 2.8% OF THE VOTE. THAT IS 10% OF THE VOTE THAT NIKKI HALEY HAS GOTTEN. NIKKI HALEY IS AT 28% AS OF RIGHT NOW, FLIRTING WITH 30%. AND SO WHEN YOU PUT JOE BIDEN UP AGAINST AN ACTUAL HUMAN BEING IN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY, THAT HUMAN BEING CAN GET ALL OF 2.8% VERSUS DONALD TRUMP WHO, WHEN HE GOES AGAINST A HUMAN BEING IN THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARY, LOSES 30% IN PREVIOUS PRIMARIES 40%. THE QUESTION TONIGHT THAT WE DON'T KNOW, BECAUSE THERE'S NO EXIT POLLS, CONGRATULATIONS EXIT POLL BUSINESS BUSINESS, THEY'RE DOING NOTHING TONIGHT. THE ONLY QUESTION THAT MATTERS ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE OF THAT PRIMARY IS, HOW MANY OF THOSE NIKKI HALEY VOTERS WILL NOT VOTE FOR DONALD TRUMP IN NOVEMBER? AND WE HAVE NO EXIT POLL INFORMATION TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. >> AS YOU HAVE MENTIONED, AND WE'VE TALKED ON THIS SHOW, ONE OF THE MOST REMARKABLE STATISTICS WE'VE SEEN SO FAR IN THE ELECTION IS THESE HALEY VOTERS IN THE THREE EARLY STATES WILLINGNESS TO NOT JUST VOTE FOR TRUMP, TO VOTE FOR BIDEN. IT'S A BIG CONSEQUENTIAL EVENT. BUT IF TRUMP GOT 60% IN SOUTH CAROLINA AND WAS INVOLVED IN A BLOWOUT IN HIS GETTING IN THE MID 60S HERE TONIGHT, AND IT'S A BIG WIN, JOE BIDEN GETTING 80% IS A REALLY BIG WHEN. A REALLY GOOD NIGHT FOR JOE BIDEN. AND I THINK THIS IDEA THAT SOMEHOW THIS UNCOMMITTED MOVEMENT WOULD SOMEHOW ALTER THE DEMOCRATIC'S TRAJECTORY I THINK HASN'T HAPPENED TONIGHT. REMEMBER THAT BARACK OBAMA IN 2012 WHEN HE WAS RUNNING FOR REELECTION, THE AND COMMITTED GUN LEVIN PERCENT OF THE VOTE. IT'S GOING TO BE PROBABLY 14, 15 TONIGHT. NOT A HUGE DIFFERENCE. OBAMA WENT ON TO WIN THE GENERAL ELECTION AGAINST MICHIGAN NATIVE MITT ROMNEY BY NINE POINTS. I DON'T THINK THINGS HAVE CHANGED TONIGHT IN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY. I DON'T THINK THIS WAS A GOOD NIGHT FOR THE UNCOMMITTED VOTE. IT WAS A GOOD NIGHT FOR JOE BIDEN. I WILL SAY THAT ONCE AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF POLLING IN MICHIGAN, THE POLLS THAT WERE DONE IN FEBRUARY HEAD TRUMP ABOVE, WINNING BY 50 POINTS OR MORE. HE'S WINNING TONIGHT BY HIGH 30S, LOW 40S. SO ONCE AGAIN, BASED ON PUBLIC POLLING, DONALD TRUMP IS UNDERPERFORMING THE PUBLIC POLLS AVAILABLE TO US AS HE'S DONE IN THE THREE STATES IN THIS ELECTION CYCLE. >> AS WE'VE SEEN SINCE 1968, ONE OF THE FIRST TIME WHOEVER SAW IT, WHEN INCUMBENT PRESIDENT WAS UP FOR REELECTION IN SOMEONE WITHIN THAT PARTY CHALLENGE THE INCUMBENT PRESIDENT THE WORST THING THAT COULD HAPPEN FOR THE INCUMBENT PRESIDENT IS THAT CHALLENGER, THAT HUMAN BEING GET VOTES. THAT'S WHAT LYNDON JOHNSON SIGNED NEW HAMPSHIRE, JEAN MCCARTHY GOT 42% OF THE VOTE. AND THEN IN JOHNSON DROPPED OUT OF THE PRESIDENTIAL RACE, NOT BECAUSE HE THOUGHT GENE MCCARTHY COULD BEAT HIM TO THE NOMINATION. HE WAS SURE HE WOULD GET THE NOMINATION OF THE CONVENTION IN CHICAGO, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE IT WAS GOING TO BE DECIDED. IT WASN'T GONNA BE DECIDED IN THE PRIMARIES. BUT THE SIGNALING AND JOHNSON GOT FROM THE NEW HAMPSHIRE VOTE WAS I CAN'T WIN IN NOVEMBER. THIS IS TOO MUCH WEAKNESS WITHIN MY OWN PARTY FOR ME TO WIN IN NOVEMBER. AND THAT'S WHY HE DROPPED OUT. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS VOTE ON UNCOMMITTED, WHICH IS ONE THAT I FULLY RESPECT, STRATEGICALLY, AND THE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO CAST, TO DELIVER THIS EXPRESSION OF, THIS IS BASED ON A POLICY THAT WE CARE ABOUT, WE THINK THE PRESIDENT IS FAILING US ON THIS ONE POLICY AND ONLY ON THIS ONE POLICY, AND NO OTHER POLICY. THIS IS NOT A VOTE FOR A PERSON. THEY COULD HAVE PUT UP A CANDIDATE. THEY COULD'VE GONE TO DEAN PHILLIPS. DEAN PHILLIPS SAYS HE WANTS TO SEE A CEASE-FIRE IN DECEMBER. THEY REFUSED. REFUSED TO VOTE FOR DEAN PHILLIPS. AND THEY CAST A VOTE THAT SAYS TO THE PRESIDENT, WE ARE NOT WITH YOU TONIGHT. THAT'S ALL THAT VOTE SAYS. WE ARE UNCOMMITTED TONIGHT. AND WHAT I HAVE BEEN HEARING, CERTAINLY FOR THE POLITICIANS WHO HAVE BEEN LEADING THAT MOVEMENT IN MICHIGAN IS, NONE OF THEM ARE SAYING THEY WON'T BE WITH JOE BIDEN IN NOVEMBER AGAINST ON TRUMP. >> WE ALSO HAVE TO BE A BIT CAREFUL TONIGHT IN NOT EXAGGERATING THE ROLE OF THE DELEGATE ARE TRUE. I HELPED RUN THE DELEGATE OPERATIONS AND THE FLOOR OF THE DEMOCRATIC CONVENTIONS. HAVING A DELEGATE OR TWO IS NOT A SIGNIFICANT ACHIEVEMENT. MANY TIMES DURING PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARIES A CAUSE OR A CANDIDATE WILL PICK UP A FEW CANDIDATES HERE AND THERE. IT BECAME A QUESTION OF HOW MUCH ENERGY SHOULD THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN PUT IT INTO THIS TO DENY IN A 15%? THEY MADE A DECISION THAT THEY COULD HANDLE THERE BEING THIS KIND OF OPPOSITION OF A DELEGATOR TO THE DEMOCRATIC CONVENTION GIVEN THAT THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF DELEGATES. I THINK IT'S JUST VERY IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT TO NOT EXAGGERATE ON OUR SIDE THE SIGNIFICANCE OF WHAT'S HAPPENED TONIGHT. I ALSO JUST WANT TO SAY FOR THE RECORD THAT JOE BIDEN HAS BEEN FOR A CEASE-FIRE. HE NEGOTIATED A CEASE-FIRE. HE WAS TRYING TO NEGOTIATE A CEASE FIRE RIGHT NOW. IF YOU LOOK AT -- I JUST LOOKED AT THE ECONOMIST GUN POLL LAST WEEK AND AMONG DEMOCRATS BY THE APPROVAL ON FOREIGN POLICY IS IN THE UPPER 70S. IS DISAPPROVAL IS IN THE LOW 20S. THE PARTY IS WITH HIM ON WHAT HE'S DOING. YOU CAN BE FOR A CEASE-FIRE AND STILL BE FOR JOE BIDEN, BACKING JOE BIDEN IS DOING IN THE MIDDLE EAST. THIS IS AN IMPORTANT DISCUSSION WE'RE HAVING. WE'RE NOT ALL TOGETHER ON THIS. AND IT'S IMPORTANT WE'RE IN THIS OUT AND CONTINUE RESPECTFUL DEBATE WITHIN THE FAMILY. IT'S A BIG ISSUE. BUT THERE'S A NOTION THAT THERE'S A HUGE BACKLASH AGAINST BIDEN ON THIS ISSUE AND IT IS NOT BEEN PROVEN IN MY VIEW. >> I WANT TO DO BOTH. I WANT TO GIVE THAT MOVEMENT THE STRATEGIC RESPECT IT DESERVES, ESPECIALLY IN INCLUDING THE DECISION NOT TO PUT UP A CANDIDATE, THE DECISION TO SAY, WE SIMPLY WANT TO DELIVER THIS MESSAGE AT THE BALLOT BOX. WE'RE GONNA ACTIVELY GO OUT AND VOTE AND WE'RE GONNA VOTE FOR A BLANK. WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT IS A WAY OF EXPRESSING OURSELVES. I DON'T WANT TO SAY WEAKER BUT IT'S A SOFTER OBJECTION THEN GOING OUT THERE IN THE WAY VOTERS WENT OUT THERE FOR JEAN MCCARTHY IN 1968, BECAUSE THOSE VOTERS WERE 100 PERCENT AGAINST LYNDON JOHNSON WHEN THEY CAST THAT VOTE. THERE WAS NO WAY IN THE WORLD THEY WERE GONNA VOTE FOR LYNDON JOHNSON IN NOVEMBER. >> RIGHT. OR TED KENNEDY IN 1980. OR SOME OF THE HALEY VOTERS IN THIS ELECTION. IT'S IMPORTANT THE DISTINCTION YOU ARE DRYING HERE, WHICH IS THAT THERE ISN'T AN OPPOSITION MOVEMENT OF SIGNIFICANCE INSIDE THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY. WE CAN HAVE A RESPECTFUL DEBATE. WE DON'T HAVE TO AGREE ON EVERYTHING. DOES THIS IS A HEALTHY DEBATE WE'RE HAVING. AS LONG AS IT STAYS RESPECTFUL AND WE STAY ON THE SAME TEAM. I THINK TO YOUR POINT, I TAKE YOUR POINT, LAWRENCE, THAT THIS WAS A THOUGHTFUL AND SERIOUS WAY OF ADDRESSING CONCERNS ABOUT THE BIDEN PRESIDENCY, BUT I ALSO THINK THAT I'M PROUD OF THE PRESIDENT TONIGHT. I THINK IT WAS A BIG WIN FOR HIM. I DON'T THINK IT ALTERS THE TRAJECTORY OF THE DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY IN ANY WAY. BUT WE'LL SEE. WE HAVE A LONG WAY TO GO. I'LL BE BACK HERE WITH YOU MANY TIMES IN MANY MONTHS DIGESTING WHAT IS GOING ON. BUT I
