Intel vs AMD in 2021... which is right for you?

what's up guys jay here and i'm going to bring you a video that i've been asked about recently uh more so as time goes on as rumors start to emerge about intel's new rocket lake cpu coming out well any time now technically the fun factor was supposed to come out in march and then they announced it in january but boards aren't even made yet but whatever i digress we're going to talk about whether or not it's worth trying to get whether or not it's going to be more powerful than ryzen or just some general buying advice on something we know nothing about we interrupt this video to bring you a special message from ifixit no we interrupt this interruption with this interruption about new stuff from my fitness pushing graphics card but inventory sucks fix the inventory problems with ifixit whoa don't drop it can't fix that with ifixit just kidding yes you can wish you could take ifixit with you anywhere but your pockets aren't big enough introducing you more and the new menu take them with you anywhere so can i fix it for your loved ones or just get them for yourself so we already did a video talking about what intel actually showed at ces 2021 what a weird thing to say 2021 that sounds so futuristic even for today anyway um rocket lake high level details have started to emerge and it's one of those things that it's kind of funny i said in the intro this video that it was supposed to come out in march and a lot of people who are not authorized to comment but you know off the record have told me that this was supposed to be something announced in march to come out a little bit later but it's pretty obvious that intel's been feeling the heat from ryzen and amd's obviously their popular ryzen platform so they had to pull it in and by pulling in the announcement to january that puts it ahead of any of the board manufacturers being ready to actually deliver on the new z590 chipset yes z590 chipset to take advantage of the new rocket lake stuff i don't know a whole lot necessarily about the node yet and the reason for that is that last year we saw some mentions in an email to us from intel saying that it was going to be 10 nanometer ported back to 14. i know i've mentioned that more than once i don't know what that means um whether that's going to be an actual 10 nanometer which is kind of interesting because their new celeron and pentium cpus which are announced for notebooks are on 10 nanometer you can expect to see some desktop 10 nanometer stuff come but one of the things that you have to realize is that the 10th gen 10 900k or now dubbed the tent 850k because the 10900k yields are extremely low to be able to get that 5.3 gigahertz boost on single core um or tvb it's um it's one of those things where the yields were really low so they actually came out with the 10 850k which was 100 megahertz slower and a little bit more plentiful for roughly the same price so it has a clock speed advantage over ryzen but ryzen has a fairly significant ipc advantage over 10th gen because of its constant shrinking process amd has a phenomenal job of actually getting their ipc to improve but they're still lacking a few hundred megahertz on their high-end cpus versus the intel stuff now one thing to keep in mind with ryzen is for the first time on 4000 series cpus or excuse me 5000 series cpus the higher the skew goes the actual faster it gets where before the more cores you had on ryzen they had to slow it down to increase stability however with 5000 series cpu that wasn't the case they were actually able to give you about a 100 megahertz increase on every tier you went up so the 5950x actually had a 4.9 gigahertz single core boost clock versus the intel's up to 5.3 on the 10900 k or realistically 5.2 on the 10850k uh also keep in mind that there are other factors in play with intel things like the turbo timer essentially where it will only run all core boosts for a certain amount of seconds whereas ryzen was able to you know basically just indefinitely run uh it's all core boost but all core on intel's flagship cpu of 10th gen uh was only up to what 4.7 4.8 whereas ryzen's was significantly lower at up to 4.4 depending on its cooling capabilities so the reason why i'm telling you all of that is you have to understand kind of where we are today to understand whether or not the next generation is going to be worth it but this time around on intel there's actually a shrink that's taken place not with the die process but actually with the amount of cores now the 100k slash 850k is a 10 core 20 thread processor that definitely encroached on a lot of their extreme platform processors because those started also at 10 course 20 threads for the 10 900 x yeah 100k 100x really stupid one had quad channel those and more pcie lanes that was really the only difference to them but this time they're going to be dropping down to an eight core 16 thread on its top tier part and now we're starting to see rumors and it might even be as low as a six core 12 thread so it's one of those things where it's really starting to look like the buying choice is going to be very similar to what it is that we've seen all along and i've said this in previous videos i know this sounds like a broken record although i continue to be asked you need to keep in mind that although you may be following this stuff day in and day out and you may breathe and sleep pc tech there's a lot of new people here that are brand new to this and are very confused with the very poor naming conventions that each brand utilizes and the fact that we've got overlapping overlapping generations that are making things just that much more confusing now ryzen is still going to be your dominant processor when it comes to multitasking if you can definitely leverage the amount of cores that you're able to take advantage of with ryzen's mainstream especially with the 5000 series cpus and its increased ipc it's increased core clock uh the increased cores that you get because you can get 16 core 32 thread on mainstream now which is going to give you six cores 12 threads or essentially an i5 above the current intel offering even that of rocket lake but there's one thing that we're hearing about with rocket lake though and that is the fact that intel has apparently pulled about a 10 to 11 ipc improvement clock for clock versus their previous generation so what you're going to see here is when you do the math of when we do our cpu test we run a single core locked at 4 gigahertz that gives you your ipc comparative or delta right there so if you take one versus the other exactly the same frequency the intel tends to get just pretty much on by ryzen because of ryzen's amazing ipc improvements over the generation that you know or the generations that ryzen's been around technically now 4th gen but intel this time apparently that 10th gen ported to 14 or whatever the hell they were talking about did something because now that narrows the gap ryzen core for core when we did the math when we compared our 10th gen and added 10 to 11 ipc at that locked at four gigahertz clock speed single cord and com added that percentage back to intel it still trailed uh ryzen not enough to ever notice but definitely lower but it's important to remember that once you remove that artificial limit of four gigahertz the intel's increased clock speed of now being told is up to 5.3 where they've gotten the yields back where they can single core up to 5.3 reliably theoretically because again 100k was the same thing but look you can't buy one because it turned out there was a lot harder to do than they thought it's going to make it faster than a ryzen 5000 series once they're allowed to boost up to their normal boost clocks so that's going to mean whether or not you need to buy intel or ryzen is going to definitely depend on what your use case is and that's gonna sound like a broken record because that's realistically all it comes down to are you looking at doing live streaming not offloading the encoder onto your gpu which a lot of people do with nvidia gpus these days because the invec encoder is really really efficient you lose a little bit of quality but it's extremely efficient and it takes all the load off your cpu and and reduces drop frames and such are you going to be doing tasks that uh utilize blender or any other 3d modeling that can actually leverage the amount of cpu cores that are available to the cpu well i imagine if you're that person you're probably already offloading it to your gpu as well so again that argument starts to not necessarily play in do you want to play around with linux do you want to play around with a bunch of vms or virtual machines then the more cores and the more memory the better however you're looking at just building a kick-ass gaming rig then it looks like intel is coming back swinging with that ipc improvement which again is rumored we have to test it independently on our own outside of what intel's rumors are to determine whether or not you're now going to see that fps increase come back with intel fun fact when we tested our rtx 3090 at stock speeds with a stock clocked 10 900k versus a stock clocked 5900x not a 5950 but a 5900x which is even 100 megahertz slower than a 5950 we saw that the rtx 3090 was on average faster at 1080p gaming on the ryzen platform than on our intel platform so it's one of those things where for most of 2020 our recommendations always were if you're building a computer period amd and ryzen were going to be the better buy but there's a couple of other things that you have to think about here one memory speeds we're starting to see game a lot of games really do like to utilize fast memory ryzen however is still going to be a bit limited by the capabilities of the infinity fabric remember the cpu chiplets on ryzen are essentially two different ccx's which have the physical cores on them that are interlinked through something called the infinity fabric and that takes place by utilizing memory and the memory speed with the infinity fabric is going to limit how fast those cps communicate with each other now they've definitely improved the latency between them that's one of the reasons why we saw such a huge performance uptick with 5th gen not it's not 5th gen 5000 series however we're still seeing a 2x infinity fabric speed of memory ratio so what that means is if you're running a 4000 memory uh then you would need to run a 2 000 clock speed on the infinity fabric the problem is getting anything stable above 1900 has proved to be extremely difficult artificially limiting how fast memory the memory is that you can actually put on ryzen whereas intel is still as long as the memory controller and the cpu can handle it xmp profiles of up to 5000 megahertz have been achieved i don't have a cpu that can technically do it although i do have 5100 megahertz modules i can't run it my 100ks that i have just are not capable of running memory that fast even though i try and tune the memory controller as much as possible so there is still a silicon lottery there when it comes to how fast your memory can be but you are going to get faster memory on intel this time around as well unless amd can start to get its infinity fabric and the way that the modules are tuned to start going faster you're seeing an artificial limit right around 3 800 which is 1900 times 2. but ryzen's efficiency has gotten better in that uh it starts to look like a diminishing return anything above 3000 megahertz anyway and task for task 3000 megahertz on amd and 4000 megahertz or above on intel really starts to look like diminishing returns and you're not getting any sort of benefit to that so right now based on the current rumors and hypothetically the scenario we could just go out and buy either of these two cpus because you can imagine that the intel stuff when it's launched is going to be sold out immediately as well is going to be the old recommendation if what they say is true if you want to build the best gaming rig that you possibly can then intel's really starting to look like it's going to have that edge with its superior clock speed and a caught up or matched ipc to ryzen our math shows it's still going to be a couple of percent behind the amd cpus however the clock speeds are definitely going to give the advantage back to intel when it comes to gaming performance and obviously we'll be testing that when it comes out who knows when that's going to be we're probably still a month or two away from getting you guys reviews on any of the stuff when it comes out so if you have any specific questions on either of these two platforms that you think we should answer during our review comment down below what you'd like to see us test what do you guys look for when you're building your computers strictly gaming machine all around work slash game are you doing content creation are you doing professional workflows i'm curious as to what your guys's use cases are so we can try and try and better incorporate these types of use cases into our reviews so there's my talking head on these two i hope that gives you something to think about if you're building a gaming machine you're going to want to definitely sign up for notifications when this stuff starts to go live because just like anything else last year the shortages this year are going to continue considering we have a world wide microchip shortage which right now is giving all prioritization to the automotive industry because remember they all have computers in there too now and so us lowly pc people are kind of being left out while the automotive industry is also struggling waiting on the socs that they need so thanks for watching guys and as always we will see you in the next one and don't forget about our giveaway you'll hear about it right here hey you before you click off this video you may or may not be aware i'm actually doing a worldwide graphics card giveaway 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Length: 13min 7sec (787 seconds)

Published: Fri Feb 12 2021