How to deal with a HMRC scam calls, 2020

so i was in the middle of a workout i had a phone call and as per my style i ignore all my calls until i get done what i need to get done which was get my workout done then afterwards i kind of picked up my voice message and i just want to play back the voice message i got it's no new messages wait main menu for your messages press 2 to listen to this [ __ ] press 2 saved messages 11 31 am ignoring this information would be considered an intentional attempt to avoid initial appearance before the magistrate judge and will lead to your national insurance number suspension your case ids c p 1 one six nine two zero one five for more information on your case please call our investigation department immediately on two zero three one three seven eight sounds really serious nine zero i repeat two zero three one are we getting this number seven eight eight nine zero we will be glad to share your case information and help you with the situation that sounds good help me have a blessed day that was a nice response hmrc this is officer ron smith how can i help you hi ron i've just been talking to a colleague of yours and the line got disconnected i'm sorry i didn't take the person's name okay i'm not sure if i'm not sure if it was yourself my name's shiraz merza um i've just had a list call to give you call a call back and your colleague was just pulling up some details and mentioned that there's a lawsuit against me so i'm quite concerned and that's the reason i'm calling you back okay so can you please help me with your data for the verification purpose it's the 28th of april 1975. 1975. and please help me with the last four digits of your national insurance number um i mentioned to your colleague i don't have my insurance number with me i'm just wondering if he could securely check me some other way so i gave my uh my address my postcode will that do yeah please help me with the postcode it's s613sx sierra okay x-ray completely fine so as you know it very well there is a lawsuit under your name and you might be knowing and you might be knowing like for what reason there is a lawsuit under your name this is absolute news to me and i'm very very concerned very shocked uh and that's why i'm coming back so i don't know anything about this i completely understand when out of blue you get to know there is a lawsuit and you haven't got any documents regarding this but let me tell you that we have tried uh getting in touch with you we have uh tried to send the documents because we cannot send it directly by a post we cannot uh leave it in your mailbox or something because these are uh way too sensitive documents we have to send an officer along with the document when you have to sign on the documents and then the officer will give you the documents but in this case you are not available at your place so i would ask you just a second on on october 15 like where were you probably at home no because uh the officer was there i guess yeah it's showing that it was in the afternoon by two to three he was there by two to three and you weren't available at your place okay so um can you tell me more about this case i'd um what's it for what have i done wrong yeah because let me tell you that you might be knowing that when you file your taxes for your present records we just accept it and now for the past records we always do a statutory audit and when we get to know all the mistakes with not only you but there are many citizens who are not aware about the mistakes they have made in the past but we have got to know about this situation just because of the reorder we have done and in the past years we have seen there are miscalculations and mistakes in your tax filing you're not saying that you haven't filed your taxes but there are mistakes in your tax filings and that's the reason like today you are getting this call because today is the day when we have to go ahead with the legal charges and once we go to the court with this particular thing for next 60 to 90 days this case is going to last and to be very honest for that very moment your bank accounts will be frozen the national insurance number will be suspended and the benefits which you are getting or you will be getting in future will be stopped so it is really important for you to tell us like what exactly you think about this case what is your intention do you really want to fight a case against hmrc or you want to resolve this case out of the quote ups no no no i would love to resolve this case i just don't know what this case is about that's all so at the moment what we can do is as you are planning to get this case resolved first of all there are some rules and regulations which you will have to follow first that you will have to clear the outstanding views which is under your name which is of two thousand six hundred and fifty four pounds and twenty seven p which you will have to clear it today itself once you clear this news we will be helping you with a reference number and tomorrow morning early morning 10 o'clock we'll be sending an officer at your doorstep with all the relevant documents now she's the one who can explain you everything in detail in person and she'll also ques answer all the questions you have all the doubts she will be clearing it for you but the thing is she'll only give you the documents once you help her with the reference number so dwight do i do i pay do i pay your officer tomorrow now to be honest you will have to pay it today itself because today is the day when we have to go ahead and issue the resolvement papers then there are two things which can happen if i go ahead and submit the documents in the courthouse then there would be no one in the whole territory who can really help you with the situation but if you really want me to go ahead and ask the courthouse people to get this case resolved then we will have to show something from your end that yes you are paying the amount and clearing this outstanding views so this would be a good impression in front of the courthouse people yes he is putting in some efforts and he really care about this particular situation so we have to go ahead and make this particular transaction today itself and as you say just wanted to check with you like do you have a criminal lawyer who can represent you in case you want to go ahead and fight the case against hmrc and no i don't because if you don't have one as you say we have a team in the courthouse itself we have a lawyer who will be fighting for you in the courthouse who will go ahead and issue the resolving papers today itself so you will have to make the transaction directly to the lawyers account and once you make the transaction we will give you a reference number and as you know it very well we are setting up an appointment for tomorrow morning with all the relevant documents so i just wanted to check with you is it possible for you to clear the outstanding dues of 2654 pounds and 27 feet today itself um it's going to be hard but uh i suppose i'll have to put it on my credit card um but can i and let me also know you that we work on the data protection act so we are not supposed to ask you for any of your credit card or debit card details it is really important for you to understand that government doesn't work that way we couldn't ask you for any of your bank details you're just making a digital transfer and i believe so you are doing online banking with your bank is that correct no it's not you don't do mobile banking or online banking no i do but my my online bank account's been frozen so i need to go to the bank and see how to connect that back up again and uh which bank do you bank with um can i find out first what this 2 600 pounds is for because i want to pay it but i want to know what i'm paying for yeah this is the outstanding news which is showing under your account as i have already told you this is something which is your underpaid taxes now this is your path taxes which you will be clearing and once you clear this like we can go ahead and we can issue your resolve and papers from the courthouse okay what happens if i can't pay this it's your choice because the government does not really want you to pay this anyhow because they know it very well that if you're not able to pay this once you're found guilty in the courthouse the courthouse will only give you 48 hours to clear the penalty fine which is more than 25 to 30 000 pounds and also imprisonment for five years so the government knows it very well that if you're not paying 2 600 now like they are really getting a really good option and a profit out of you because you will be paying more than that any ways so it's your choice because no one is forcing you even if you tell me right now that you don't want to pay it we are not really going to force you again and again please pay this please pay this we're not doing this if you want to pay this you're saving yourself you're not going ahead and doing something good for government if you're not paying this any which ways you are doing something good for the government because you would be paying more than 25 to 20 000 so should my payment go directly through to the government then because this is not your normal taxes because even if you go ahead and if you pay this particular tax the way you do so nobody is going to accept it because there is a criminal case already we are about to go ahead and freeze everything you have there and this is the only way when you have to go ahead and do a transaction directly to the lawyer who is fighting the case for you out there because he's the one who is going to convince the jury members and the courthouse people out there and i hope you can understand that yeah absolutely understand that and you know like i said i really want to work with you i want to make make sure that i don't have any criminal records um this is come as a shock i completely understand that and if i was in your place i would think the same but at the moment it is really important for you to understand that how important it is for you to remove your name from this criminal case which is today itself before the court closes down so you tell me right now because this is a monitor and a recorded line so it is really important for you to be honest on this recorded line so i want you to tell me which band are you back with um my bank is with barclays however my credit card is with halifax and i've just checked my balance and i don't have enough clear on my card to make this payment in full today i completely understand by any which way that you know it very well that we are not accepting cards at the moment we will have to do a digital transfer but then you will have to do online banking with your backlash or you will have to do a telephone banking with your barclays so could you so are you going to be sending me through the um [Music] once i've phoned my bank up and got the online banking sorted will you be able to send me the account details for the government for me to make this payment directly through to them then for my back taxes yeah because what you can do is i'll be sending you the bank details for the lawyer who is taking care of your case out there you can directly transfer the funds so that he can show it to the coach house people and once you make the payment for this we can give you the reference number and to be very honest there are some rules and regulations as you have chosen the option of resolving this case out of the courthouse so it is really important for you to stay connected as you say that you will you will have to call your bank to get your online banking sorted out let me tell you you're not supposed to disconnect this line but you will have to put us on hold and then speak to the band people because if this line gets disconnected we get a clear intention from your end that you really wanted to fight a case against hmrc and you did not have any intention to get this case resolved out of the boathouse and let me tell you this is an ongoing investigation so i really do not want you to involve any third party because we are thinking about your reputation if we make it public your bank accounts will be frozen that very moment even if your bank people get to know that you have a criminal case there it is completely against their because they have a policy if a person has a criminal case under him all the money which you have it becomes there because this is something which it comes in their policy it is really important for you to understand that the bank people should shouldn't get to know that there is a criminal case under your name if you really do not want your bank accounts to get frozen no no complete i get that i get that so what's my uh what's the lawyer's name that's been appointed to my case like i'll be getting it for you because it will take some time for me to get the details first i want you to go ahead and call your bank and get your online banking sorted out until that time i'll get the bank account details do i have um an assigned lawyer to my case right now yeah that's the reason because till the time you're going here and speaking to your bank until the time you are going ahead and getting your online banking sorted out we are going ahead and taking care of the paperwork we are just talking to the judy members we are here to take care of the situation the accounting heads are going ahead and letting them know that there is a person who is a really genuine person the reason we called you as i've already told you we have done a background check for you and we know it very well that you're innocent person you haven't done anything wrong in the past and that's the reason you're getting this option there are many people who are really trying but they are not getting this option they are really i would say a lucky person to have this particular option where you can go ahead and at least pay the outstanding views and have your case resolved today itself so i want you to go ahead and make a call to your fans without disconnect just disconnecting this call you can just keep keep us on hold and then you can make the call to your bank and make sure your online banking is up once the online banking is up you let me know so that i can help you with the bank details you know the more i think about this the more i mean me personally i was trying like i said i was trying to put this on my credit card i know through data protection you can't take my credit card but my credit card's the one that's got the flexibility for me to be able to pay this in my bank account i haven't got 2 600 pounds to pay this but i have got that on my card so i want you to tell me on the recorded line i want to be honest how much you have in your bank account right now um i'm still waiting to get paid in two days time so right now right now right now how much you have 150 pounds so is it not possible because right now as you say that you are going to get paid in two days so is it possible for you to arrange this kind of money you can ask some of your family or friends to help you with this kind of money and then you can pay them back up to two days unfortunately around christmas time most people have got their money tied up on christmas presents so i don't think i have many people who could lend me that kind of money you can check with them because this is the only option as you know it very well because the government is not really going ahead and waiting for two days for you to go ahead and have your payment to get get in place we really gonna wait that that much time today is the day when we have to go ahead and we have to take action so you need to understand to the urgency like how particular situation before the code closes we have to go ahead and let them know that yes you have made the payment of the outstanding views so you tell me because i'm oh i'm holding the line for you you can go ahead and make calls but let me tell you that even if you are taking help from someone you're not supposed to go ahead and involve any third party into this ongoing investigation nobody gets to know about this situation if we get to know because your phones are tapped we can listen to all the conversation you are having with anyone out there and if we get to know that you are disclosing this confidential matter to anyone out there you will have to go ahead with the legal charges i hope you can understand so what's the worst case scenario if i can't pay i've already told you we don't even really want you to pay as you told us that you want to pay this and get this thing sorted out we are giving you this option if you tell me right now that you don't want to pay this we are completely okay with it well i get arrested sorry will i get arrested if i don't pay this within next 15 to 20 minutes you will get arrested 15 is 20 minutes that's correct because everything is planned to be very honest like if a person is ready to pay what will happen and if the person is not really able to pay then what what we have to do with them we we know everything because you're not the only citizen there are many people who really want to go ahead and resolve the matter but then they do not have that chance to go in and have the particular case resolved just because of their past records so it is really good as i've told you you're lucky that you're getting this option to resolve this case but then too if you really want to waste time going ahead and talking about all these to be really honest this is a waste of time i think yeah yeah i have to agree with you can i ask you a question though please what's your real name my name is ron smith yeah now what's your real name what's your real name it's ron smith your birth name ron smith and where you calling from okay you know um i appreciate you caring for me um i know my friends and family don't have this money right now so i guess the only thing i got to know what exactly you were doing so thank you very much oh don't think you like that one so look ladies and gents if you get these phone calls please do not panic this is probably the third one i've got now and they will try it really really hard and trust me if you're unaware and you get caught out you will feel the fear your butt cheeks may clench up a little bit when they give you this scare tactic that they have just given me i'm going to wait 15 minutes 20 minutes max see if i get arrested if i do um [Music] i'll let you know from the other side however i am very doubtful that i'll be arrested so just wanted to share this please do not fall victim to this [ __ ]

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Published: Tue Dec 01 2020