Hello everybody,
I'm Jeremy
Pearsons. Welcome to the
Believer's Voice
of Victory. Today, my grandfather,
Kenneth Copeland, and Mark and Trina Hankins
continue their study on the spirit of faith, teaching
us about our position in Christ. See, the believer fights
the good fight of faith from the position of victory, from a place of
authority in Christ. Because we're seated
together with Christ, His victory is our victory. This is going to
be a great study, so get your Bibles and let's
join in their discussion. [Mark Hankins] We have just
been in joy and determining to walk by faith and not by
sight and to believe God. [Kenneth Copeland] Yes sir. [Mark Hankins] Jesus
said if you can believe, all things are possible--
[Kenneth Copeland] All things. [Mark Hankins] ... to
them that believe. And the guy there
said, "Lord, I believe. Help me get rid of unbelief." (laughs) So the Lord had to get
rid of unbelief. - Oh, I love what he said. "Lord, I believe. Help me. Help me." You can criticize everything in
him, but he got his help. - Boy, he did it too. - He got his help. He declared that with unbelief. Really, dad Hagin taught us
there's two kinds of unbelief. First kind is just lack
of knowledge, and that's curable with teaching
of the Word. Second kind of
unbelief is being
unpersuaded to act
on the Word, and that's curable
by acting on the
Word. So both kinds of
unbelief are
curable, and if unbelief is
curable, nothing is
incurable. [Kenneth Copeland] There's no
such thing as non-belief. [Mark Hankins] Yeah. [Kenneth Copeland] You
can't just turn off and not believe anything. [Mark Hankins] Yeah. They just believe
in the wrong thing. [Kenneth Copeland] You
believe the wrong thing. [Mark Hankins] Yeah. And so, just taking the Word
and Jesus was a teacher and He went around teaching. [Kenneth Copeland]
Think about this. I drive a General
Motors product. How stupid would it be for me
to go get a Ford manual and see to try to fix my truck. [Mark Hankins] Okay. I
got it. Yeah. [Kenneth Copeland] Now
that's not unbelief. [Mark Hankins] Yeah. [Kenneth Copeland]
That's just stupidity. You just ought to have
better sense in that. But this, the
manufacturer's manual. [Mark Hankins] Yeah. This is a manual right here. [Kenneth Copeland] This
is what we believe. [Mark Hankins] Wow. Unbelief is curable by
feeding on the Word of God. Taking the Word. So, as we're studying the Word, we're really just studying the
fundamentals of faith. Then, where Paul said we have
the same spirit of faith we believe, and we speak. So we talked about
David killing Goliath. And then, now we
come over to Mark
11:23, where Jesus said
to have faith in
God. [Trina Hankins] Just
in these few
sessions we've been in day after day,
my knowledge is increasing. It's getting sharper and your faith is built on
revelation knowledge. So, I believe I'm going
from one level of faith to another level of faith today. [Kenneth Copeland]
Yeah. Praise God. [Mark Hankins] Praise God. By hearing and hearing
by the Word of God. And then, Brother Copeland
brought up this scripture a while ago. And he said, first
John 5:4. And that was one of my
dad's favorite
scriptures. He said, "Whatsoever is
born of God, overcomes
the world. And this is the victory
that overcomes the
world, even our faith." And so, our faith
is the victory. And the name of your program
for years was called the Believer's Voice of Victory. [Kenneth Copeland] And
as we were talking, it goes way back
to the beginning. And I was in a little town
in North Texas called
Hereford, Texas. And I had all my
outlines laid out there. And because I'm in, I've
always started with Mark
11:22, 23, 24 and 25. Because that's where I learned
it, from Brother Hagin. And I had all my... I did them back there
then just like I do now. And I had them all out on the
bed there in the motel and to which order am I
going to put these. [Mark Hankins] Yeah. [Kenneth Copeland] And I heard
the Lord say in my spirit, He said... And He mentioned that to me,
this is the victory that will come to the world,
even our faith. And I said, yeah,
I believe that. He said, " Well,
think about this. Every believer has a voice." Well, yeah, there
it is, right here. There it is. Mark 11:23, whosoever shall say. He said, every
believer has a voice. [Mark Hankins] Yeah. [Kenneth Copeland] And it
is the voice of victory. [Mark Hankins] Yeah.
[Trina Hankins] Right. [Kenneth Copeland] "Or,
it's the voice of death." [Mark Hankins] Yeah. [Kenneth Copeland] He said,
"What about victory over death? And what about
overcomes the world?" [Mark Hankins] Yeah. [Kenneth Copeland] But what
about victory over death? [Mark Hankins] Yeah. [Kenneth Copeland] What about
victory over the grave? [Mark Hankins] Yeah. [Kenneth Copeland] Yeah. And then, He said, "What about
victory in the new birth?" Whoa, glory be to God. That was the one right there. That only not broke the devil's
hold forever on my life. Victory in the new
birth, but yeah. And He said, "What about
victory in the baptism
of the Holy Ghost?" [Mark Hankins] Oh, yeah. [Kenneth Copeland] Oh,
that's when power comes in. What about victory
in your financials? What about... Then, I said, "Hey, every
believer has a voice and it's the voice of victory." That's what started this
whole thing back there. I know how many years ago. [Mark Hankins] Oh wow. And so, when you see what
happened when you made Jesus, your Lord, Paul and his
revelation in the
spirit of faith, he said that we're
new creatures in Christ. And he said, and we've been
made alive together with Christ raised up and seated
together with Him. Which means the believers
never fighting for victory. He's fighting from victory. [Kenneth Copeland] And
from a place of authority. [Mark Hankins] That's right. In Christ. [Kenneth Copeland] He's
on high, seated together. Well, think about that. Jesus, born from on high. If you study the gospel of
John, you're going to get that. [Mark Hankins] Yeah. [Kenneth Copeland] Well,
we got born again the
same way John did. [Mark Hankins] Yeah. [Kenneth Copeland] Peter said, those that have gained
like faith with us. As He, Jesus is the
author of the faith. And He's also the finisher
as the Bible put it. [Mark Hankins] Yeah. So, the moment right there in the second chapter of
the book of Ephesians. The moment we were born
again, we were raised
up together with Him, seated. [Mark Hankins] Seated
with Him. [Kenneth Copeland]
In the heavenly
places. [Mark Hankins] Yeah. [Kenneth Copeland] He is on the
right hand of God and you and I are on the right hand of Jesus. And we have first born status. [Mark Hankins] The
voice of faith. Well, the spirit of faith
will take the victim out of your voice. The whine out of your voice. [Kenneth Copeland]
Yeah. That's good, man. [Mark Hankins] You are seated
together with Christ, with a consciousness of
the triumph of Christ. That His victory is our victory. [Kenneth Copeland]
That is so good. [Mark Hankins] We're seated
there in a place of authority. [Kenneth Copeland] A
place of authority. [Mark Hankins] And that
authority must be exercised. [Kenneth Copeland] It is. It is impossible to operate
authority without operating. [Mark Hankins] Yeah. And Jesus said that you
say, and so speaking. But Paul said, you
believe and you speak. And so, when you go from
second Corinthians 4:13 we believe and I speak. And dad Hagin said that the door
to the supernatural swings on two hinges, one is I
believe and two is, I speak. In other words, believing and
speaking opens the door to the supernatural. So here's the way the
Lord said to me one time, because we were
dealing with Trina when she was diagnosed with a
brain tumor 30 years ago, and the doctor said
it's inoperable. And she will be paralyzed
for the rest of her life. [Kenneth Copeland]
Oh, what a report. [Mark Hankins] And so,
you're talking about fear that'll come and get
you just like that. [Trina Hankins] Even before
that, before you dealt with it, I had the Word of
God in my heart. I've been meditating on
healing scriptures for years. And even before I came
conscious in the hospital, the Word was in me. And, it felt like a fountain of
living water just coming up. Himself took your infirmity. He bore your sickness, with
His stripes you're healed. And that came up. And then, I opened my eyes
and I saw the doctor there and he told me, it looks
like you have an inoperable
brain tumor. And it was, those words just
started coming towards me. But they'd never pierced me. They didn't enter my... [Kenneth Copeland] You
didn't embrace it. [Trina Hankins] No. It was the Word of God
in me, was a shield. [Kenneth Copeland] Yes. [Trina Hankins] And those
words hit that shield and they never
penetrated my heart. [Kenneth Copeland] Wow. ♪♪ Thou, Oh Lord art
a shield for me ♪♪ [Trina Hankins] The glory. [Kenneth Copeland] And
the lifter of my head. The shield of faith worked. [Mark Hankins] Yeah. And from there, we
just had to decide, either we're going to be in fear
or we're going to be in faith. So we decided, well, we're
going to resist fear. And we just said, the Lord
is my light and my salvation. I will not fear. [Trina Hankins] And I sang. I sang a lot in the midst. [Mark Hankins] And we had
eight days of praising. We call it the praise cure. We had eight days. [Kenneth Copeland] Oh, I've
heard you preach that. And I'll tell you what,
everybody needs to hear
that message at least 10 times
and listened to
it a hundred
more. [Mark Hankins] Yeah.
Dr. Lilian B. Yeomans was talking about that praise
cure, filling your praise basket. So, we had eight days, like it
says in Romans four, that Abraham
staggered, not
at the promise
of God through unbelief, but
became strong in
faith, giving glory to
God. So, we had eight days
of praising God that His Word is true. He is faithful. And while we're praising God,
then I put a big lady at the front door and let
nobody in that room. [Kenneth Copeland] Oh yes. [Mark Hankins] And so,
then I put on the wall, no wavering allowed. [Kenneth Copeland] Yes sir. [Trina Hankins] You
spoke to that tumor. I'll never forget. He came in the room and
he didn't look at me. He looked... The tumor was down in my
brain, somewhere in here. And he looked towards where
the tumor was and he said, Mr. Tumor, I'm talking to you. According to Mark 11:23. [Kenneth Copeland] Yes. [Mark Hankins] Jesus said. [Trina Hankins] I say to you. [Mark Hankins] You
have to be removed. [Trina Hankins] It dried
up from the roots. [Mark Hankins] I said,
you dissolve, disappear. There'll be no evidence
you were ever there. And you will never come back. And so, right then we
just kept praising God. And the doctor
took you in to see. Well, he said, we want
to do this and that. So he took you in for
surgery and on the way in, tell him what you were doing. [Trina Hankins] Oh my. God always sends His Word. Psalm 107:20. [Kenneth Copeland] Oh,
He sent His Word and
healed and delivered you
from your
destruction. [Trina Hankins]
That's right. And He said, Romans
8:11, that the same
spirit that raised Jesus from
the dead dwells in
you, quicken your
mortal body. Well, I put that together. The Holy Spirit and
joy always go together. And I received that word with
joy and I started laughing. I got the same spirit's in me
that raised Jesus from the dead. It's working in me. And I just started laughing. - Going all the way into
surgery, she's laughing. - Yeah, I was on the bed then. - And the doctor's thinking, what did we give her other than
this? - There was a nurse in the room and she observed the whole week. She observed everything
we were doing. And she saw how we
went into surgery. And then, how we came out. She was so changed. But I went in laughing and I
believe God did a miracle, right then. A supernatural operation. [Mark Hankins] Yeah. And you were in
there for six hours and we were in the waiting room. And the doctor came out. The neurosurgeon came out
and said, "Now pastor, I just don't know
what to tell you. But that tumor that was
there has disappeared." [Kenneth Copeland] Glory to God. [Mark Hankins] We were praising. [Kenneth Copeland] I
can imagine this. [Mark Hankins] We just
stuck with that Word. And the spirit of faith
believes and speaks. But it says in first
Peter, "Yet believing
you rejoice." [Kenneth Copeland]
Yes sir. [Mark Hankins] "With joy
unspeakable and full of
glory." [Kenneth Copeland]
With joy
unspeakable. [Mark Hankins] So we're not
only believing, but we are
rejoicing. And we just started
laughing and saying, "Devil, you can't win because Jesus
is Lord and victory is ours." [Kenneth Copeland] Did I tell
you what happened to me at our prayer cabin in Arkansas? Now, when I was a young boy, I
had asthma really, really bad. [Trina Hankins] Oh, really. [Kenneth Copeland] And
back there then, everybody used
aluminum cooking ware. And my mother was a prayer
warrior and man alive! She just went to
praying over me. And you could not... World War II, you
couldn't buy aluminum. Because, everybody was
turning aluminum in. My dad had just... Right there about the
time the war started. And she already had this
wonderful whole new set of aluminum cooking ware. And I had asthma walking, just
couldn't lay down at night. Just couldn't breathe. During the day it didn't
bother me all that, but it ran in my
dad's family anyway. Well, and they got rid of the
aluminum and I got all right. But, all of a sudden, here
I am up there in Arkansas. Beautiful. I haven't had any
allergies in so long, I forgot what they were like. I haven't forgotten about
it, but I praise God I don't have them. [Trina Hankins] Right. [Kenneth Copeland] And, I got... started. (breathing heavily) I'm walking through, and I
never knew what I had coming. (wheezing) She's giving her testimony. I said, if she got
healed I'm healed. Get out! ...(coughing) And, out it went. (laughs) So, I was watching your
broadcast and in that she's giving her testimony. And I said, she doesn't have it. And I don't have it. And I haven't wheezed since. - And she did the same
thing with that. - The Word is healing. But you have to take authority. [Kenneth Copeland] You have to. [Trina Hankins] And that's
what the Holy Spirit said. He said, that's a
spirit of infirmity. Resist the devil, resist him. [Kenneth Copeland] He will flee. [Mark Hankins] Yeah. Use your authority. [Kenneth Copeland] Now,
there's two parts to that. [Trina Hankins] You've
got to keep it up. [Kenneth Copeland] There's
two parts to that. Submit yourself to the
Lord, then resist the
devil and he will flee. [Mark Hankins]
Yeah. [Kenneth Copeland]
Yeah. Amen. And here's where
you submit to the
Lord. [Trina Hankins] The Word. [Mark Hankins] Yeah. And so, now when you go from
second Corinthians 4:13, believing and speaking, Mark
11:23, "Have faith in God, whosoever shall say, he'll
have whatsoever he sayeth," to Mark chapter 5. Ah, we need a whole
hour for this one. [Kenneth Copeland] That's when
the rocket leaves the ground. [Mark Hankins] Jesus
told dad Hagin this. He had a vision of Jesus and he
said, now Lord before you leave. He said that I've got two
different sermons I
preach about. The woman with the issue
of blood, Mark chapter 5. He said that, now it seems
like I'm missing something. So Jesus gave him a
sermon on Mark chapter 5, verse 25 through 34, the
woman issue of blood. [Kenneth Copeland] Yes He did. [Mark Hankins] And the
verse 34 says,
"Daughter, your faith has made
you whole." And so, dad Hagin said
when he was on death
bed... [Kenneth Copeland] The
next thing he said was
go. [Trina Hankins] Go.
[Mark Hankins] Yeah. [Kenneth Copeland] Now think
about this woman, Mark. Seventeen years. [Mark Hankins] Yeah. [Kenneth Copeland] Shut
in for 17 years [Mark Hankins] Sick
and getting sicker. [Kenneth Copeland] Sick,
skin and bones. [Mark Hankins] Yeah. [Kenneth Copeland]
Bleeding all the time. [Mark Hankins] Yeah. It says, she suffered many
things, many physicians. Now here's the way the
Lord said to dad Hagin. He said, if her
faith made her whole. [Kenneth Copeland]
That was so big. - Your faith will make you
whole. And then, He gave him the
steps of faith. [Kenneth Copeland] And when
he was on that bed for... [Mark Hankins]
Seventeen years old. [Kenneth Copeland] And you
said, talked about this money. And he said, you believe
as far as you know. [Mark Hankins] Yeah. [Kenneth Copeland] Then he
said, "You believe you're
healed, right? I sure do." And then Brother
Hagin said, "I saw it. I have to believe
I have it." [Mark Hankins] Yeah. [Kenneth Copeland] Then
say it before I had it. [Mark Hankins] Yeah. [Kenneth Copeland] That's where
99% of Christian people get. [Mark Hankins] Yeah. I believe I receive
it, and then I have it. [Kenneth Copeland]
Then I have it. [Mark Hankins] Yeah. [Kenneth Copeland] That's
what's so hard on people. [Trina Hankins] It is. [Mark Hankins] Now
here's the funny thing. Because, just imagine
us as preachers and you're preaching a sermon. And then Jesus tells
you, now here's the way it ought to be preached. And so, Jesus tells
dad Hagin this. He says, now I want you to
get a piece of paper and write down one,
two, three, four. And He said in anybody, anywhere
that takes these four steps will always receive whatever
they want or needs from God. Not only healing, but anything. [Kenneth Copeland]
Anything else. [Mark Hankins] Now here's
this funny thing because the
Lord said, "Now what's the first
thing that woman did." And dad Hagin said,
"She heard of Jesus." Jesus said, "Wrong". [Kenneth Copeland] No.
[Mark Hankins] No. He said, "That's what
I'm asking. That's not the
first thing she did. I want to know the
first thing she did after she heard of Jesus. [Trina Hankins] What
was her first act? [Mark Hankins] Number
one, she said it. [Kenneth Copeland] There it is. [Mark Hankins] And,
she kept on saying it. [Trina Hankins] So action
is the first step of faith. [Mark Hankins] She said it. In other words,
moves your mouth. The Lord said to me one time,
"If your faith doesn't move
your mouth, it isn't going to
move your mountain." [Kenneth Copeland] No. [Mark Hankins] And so, first
thing she did is she said. And, that word means, legos. [Kenneth Copeland] Yes. [Mark Hankins] She
kept on saying. [Kenneth Copeland] She
kept on saying it. [Mark Hankins] If you
would have passed her, you'd have heard her saying it. [Kenneth Copeland] She
kept on. She kept on. [Mark Hankins] That's
her faith talking. [Kenneth Copeland] She kept on.
She kept on. She kept on. Then she did it. But, think about it. The devil is the devil. I know him. You know him. He hadn't changed a lick. He can't. He wished he could. But he can't. And he's saying to
her, you can't do this, you're skin and bones already. You're going to die. What good is it going to
do to you to get out there? They're going to stone you. [Mark Hankins] Yeah. [Kenneth Copeland] That's the
leader of the synagogue Jairus right there with him. They're in Capernaum. [Mark Hankins] She
interrupted that whole... [Kenneth Copeland] You
know Jesus lives here. I know all of that. But, you can't get out there. You're skin and bones. You get out there and
they'll stone you for sure. [Mark Hankins] Yeah. [Kenneth Copeland] Because she
was in fear and trembling. I know he said that to her. [Mark Hankins] Yeah. [Kenneth Copeland] She's
sitting there thinking, if I could just touch the... Now, let's talk
about the garment. [Mark Hankins] Yeah. [Kenneth Copeland] It
wasn't His clothes. [Mark Hankins] Yeah. [Kenneth Copeland] He's a rabbi. [Mark Hankins] He has
a prayer shawl or what would they call it. [Kenneth Copeland] It was
the hem of that garment. He had on the long one. You can see it. [Mark Hankins] Yeah. She said, "I just
need to touch it." [Kenneth Copeland] I
just need to touch that. That's where the power. [Mark Hankins] Yeah. And I don't need a hug. I don't even need
an introduction. I just need to touch
the hem of that garment. [Trina Hankins] And,
I'm not just curious. I know. [Mark Hankins] She's not just
going, and I know I should. [Kenneth Copeland] There's
a lot of people doing that. [Mark Hankins] And so the
four things that she did. And let me give them to you
real quick here is number one, she said it. This came from Jesus. Number two, she
did it, she acted. Number three, she received
the anointing of God. And number four,
she told it. [Kenneth Copeland] That's huge. [Mark Hankins] Huge. [Kenneth Copeland] A woman that
was healed in this ministry. And she came back and said this. She had a bad heart condition. And, I had brought up
the fact that, listen, you need to be testifying. And if you have any symptoms,
you need to get out and testify to
somebody right now. And you minister to
somebody in that same area. And she had this heart
situation, she was healed. [Mark Hankins] Yeah. [Kenneth Copeland] And so
she said, man, the symptoms tried
to come back on her. First, she went back to
the hospital where she had
been treated and she said, would it be all
right for me to go visit with some of the heart
patients that are not well. They said, for sure. And she'd go in and
she'd introduce herself. And she said, sometimes her
heart would be hurting her then. I want to tell you something. I got healed of this. And, I'm going to tell you
something, sweetheart. I'm telling you,
Jesus is the healer. And she said, before I'd get
through, it'd be all right. And a few days later,
it'd come again. She said, I got to where I was
going around the hospitals and stuff. Then I just kept doing that, until all the
symptoms were gone. And she said, it developed
a ministry for me. So I just kept doing
it from there on out. [Trina Hankins] That's
the power of a testimony. [Mark Hankins] Wow. [Kenneth Copeland]
That testimony. [Mark Hankins] That's
the spirit of faith. The spirit of faith is always
pressing for new territory. And number two, the spirit of
faith is like a pioneer spirit. As you prepare the
way for someone who's going to follow you. [Kenneth Copeland]
Oh, that's good. [Mark Hankins] And so, now this
woman with a spirit of faith, her testimony has probably
gotten hundreds of millions of people healed, just
by telling her story. [Trina Hankins] She heard that
other people were reaching out and touching Jesus. [Mark Hankins] Yeah. [Trina Hankins] So
somebody testified to her. They just came and said,
did you hear about Jesus? I touched His clothes. And I got well. [Mark Hankins] Wow. [Trina Hankins] So, that
power of testimony. It just passes from one. It sparks the spirit of faith. [Mark Hankins] Yeah. [Trina Hankins] It lights
the spirit of faith. [Mark Hankins] Yeah. So she said it, she acted and
she received the anointing of the power of God. And then number four,
she told everybody. [Kenneth Copeland]
Yeah, she did. [Mark Hankins] Imagine how
frustrated the devil was that he'd been trying to kill
this woman for years. [Kenneth Copeland] That's not
the last time she testified. [Trina Hankins] She
kept telling. [Kenneth Copeland] She
came down there. She got her health back, went
right straight to the priests and showed them and so she's
testifying to the priest. All the priests know it. They went, like it or not,
it had happened brother. And she testified to
me and I got healed. [Mark Hankins] Wait. This is the victory. [Kenneth Copeland]
This is the victory. [Mark Hankins] That overcomes
the world, even our faith. We have run out of time
again, Brother Copeland. [Kenneth Copeland]
Did we do it already? ♪ ANNOUNCER: We hope you enjoyed
today's teaching from Kenneth Copeland Ministries, and
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