How The Law Of Attraction REALLY WORKS (Achieve Anything By DOING THIS)| Rhonda Byrne & Lewis Howes

the more effortless you are the greater you manifest everything that you ever dreamed of i think you gotta have a dream the school of greatness please welcome welcome everyone back to the school of greatness i am very excited about our guest rhonda byrne is here and uh you are one of the most probably influential people in the last 15 years at least in the usa and around the world because the the work you've done the secret i believe the numbers that i saw has done 30 million copies sold you've created a movement you've written many other books uh since then and you've got a new book that we're just talking about that came through you within five weeks yeah uh the greatest secret which as i was reading this book rhonda it's interesting i grew up in a religion uh called christian science i'm not sure oh yes oh yes i know very well you know this religion yes oh yes and it was founded by a woman i'm not sure if you're familiar with it yes who was the woman mary baker eddie yes absolutely i've read so many of her books her book is called the science and health yes and as i was reading this book it felt like i was reading a lot of the teach that she had back in the 1800s oh wow and uh you reminded me in a sense of being able to find this information share it from a religion i grew up in so you really have powerful wisdom in here yeah i grew up learning about the power of the minds about the power of uh understanding that we are not our bodies that we are that we are infinite all this is stuff that i was taught as a kid and oh it's great louis oh my gosh to learn that as a child that's absolutely incredible i wish i learned other things as a kid that i didn't learn but but uh i'm curious i want to start with i want to go into this book here in a second but i have to be honest with you honda as i was doing research about this interview i could not find any interviews of you except from like 10 years ago with oprah or something online that's right and i was like am i just missing something am i typing wrong is there just no content about rhonda in the world what is happening like you became the biggest sensation in the last 15 years with the movement you created and then i haven't seen the interviews i'm like does anyone know anything about this woman where is she number one i'm just curious um how has your life been because i don't think anyone knows this how has your life been post secret oh amazing yeah absolutely absolutely amazing and i mean it was it was deliberate like i did oprah because i knew that oprah lived by these principles so i knew that the show would be very constructive and uh because i i mean i just shared something that i discovered and i absolutely knew was the truth you know i looked back on my life and i could just see my whole life just lined up in front of me and i was just like oh this is the absolute truth and i was so amazed that i was still on earth because you know some of the negativity that i got into in in my life about the universe definitely loves us because yeah because that at the fact that i was still standing so yeah i just um i i really wanted the the secret message to be the hero and we can have a tendency to idolize you know people and and i did not want that to happen i didn't i wanted people to know a little bit about me and how i discovered it and and the year that i'd had but i didn't want any of that to detract from the message and so i wanted the message to be king so i did a few things um that were very specific and i had everyone in the world like wanting me to do do things but i just didn't want to get into um sort of arguments with anybody because anybody that that doesn't want this is so fine by me you know i'm not out to convince anybody of anything i'm just like i discovered this and my life is unrecognizable unrecognizable and it is so easy and you can have everything you deserve you can have everything you want you can have everything you deserve everything and so and then if there are people that that don't want that that's totally fine and so um and so that's why i was very kind of selective and i had worked in media as well and i knew that sometimes media can really build you up and then take you down yeah of course so i didn't want to be uh turned into some kind of guru because i wasn't that i'm not that i'm just like everybody else there i'm just using normal everyday every day something sort of looking like a person but sure um yeah so it was it was kind of very particular on my part however within those years i spent a lot of time answering emails from people who wrote in and asking for advice on various things so um also writing other books as well and working on a lot of projects so i just dedicated my life to adding more material to make things easier for people make life better for people rather than so much doing media but then with this book um i don't know there's just something inside of me said now you have to do this it's very important you do this so wow well i'm so grateful that you decided to come on the school of greatness i think it's a great marriage um i'm curious for those who my audience is pretty in tune on the law of attraction and on mindset and understanding thoughts and feelings this is something we talk about all the time and people are truly seeking information to improve their life every day when they listen here i'm curious for those that maybe came here for the first time can you share what is the law of attraction and is it possible that anyone can truly achieve what they want if they use it effectively and also part two of this question what's the quickest way to hold you back from the law of attraction so one of the ways that i talk about the law of attraction or the secret is is sort of in a different way from the way i used to speak about it because i'm always looking how can i make it even simpler and and i mean basically that work talks about the power of the mind and the power of thought um to create our physical world and material world and then the greatest secret takes that to a whole new level actually and so then you really get to see that oh my gosh it's super easy to create anything i want like really so easy because if we have a belief it's hard then it's going to be hard you know and so and so it has everything to do with our mind and what we believe and so if we believe a thought it will manifest end of story so if we believe we are deserving of great love then we will manifest if we believe we are going to be poor and you know it's interesting because because uh for all of us you know and we've been conditioned you know i mean you were very fortunate because you you had a childhood where you were mind was opened and you were opened and your heart was opened and that's the biggest biggest thing is to open yourself to the possibility that everything isn't the way it appears to be and so even if you can just open yourself to that possibility just for a moment you can pick up it all the next day you can take it all with you the next day that it's all real and everything that you're seeing but if you just for a moment open to the possibility that things might not be the way that you think they are then you have the greatest opportunity to really discover something incredible how incredible you are so so with the secret yeah i describe it really and so i really simplify it and the law of attraction because i would say to anybody if you would just think about what you want that's all you'd ever get in your life it's as simple as that but a lot of people yeah a lot of people think a lot of negative things consistently it's on a loop that just holds them into this negative pattern so how do we break that negative thought pattern right so so you i mean the mind is like a computer program so and and the fact that it's on a negative loop is because we programmed it on a negative loop but but you know we could have been influenced when we're children and things like that so um so one of the things that the mind loves is love's repetition i mean loves it you know if you really watch your thoughts this is the same old thoughts over and over again you know it's just kind of dishing up the same old thing so it loves repetition so the way you can override a program is to put in the opposite you know and when you start out you know you feel like you're lying you know you'll say something like you know you might be really broke g i was when i was making the secret so um you you might not have any money and you're trying to instill you know wealth and prosperity and riches and every time you say it you feel a contraction in your body because you know you don't have it but you know truly because i did it myself after a while you change it you re you really begin to change it and you don't quite have that contraction anymore and then you start to see money coming in you know in in different ways um and any and and or you can be given things that you were going to buy and now you don't have to buy it or so you begin to see you start to see signs of land you know is one of the great one of the great new thought thought um writers would say talk about a sign of land so you start to see sign of land now that's what i did in the secret you can do gratitude that will turn everything around that will make you feel good that will get you off the negative right but those negative thoughts are coming from beliefs held in the subconscious mind right that's where the beliefs stem from for most of us they stem mostly from our childhood conditioning yeah somebody's our parents said something to us we just swallowed it hook line and sinker you know we're like right that's a belief and uh and so we take it in and and then we have all these beliefs that that uh and you can hear you know if you if you're talking to somebody like if if if somebody says oh i believe or because we say that all the time or somebody says i think behind those two behind those two statements are going to be a belief and so the really interesting thing they're hard to spot because you believe they're true they seem real yeah so you don't think yeah you don't think they're a belief you think they're real you know and so they can be hard to spot but if you start to listen to yourself you know i believe or i think or especially look at the things that you have a really strong opinion about because where you have a really strong opinion is a belief that's underneath that so so one of the things that in the latest book is that i show how to um show how to dissolve those those beliefs and just really by some of the things that i've just mentioned and uh and and you can dissolve them and you just feel free every time a belief goes out you feel completely free you know it's a it's amazing amazing feeling to you just feel as light as a feather and actually you feel invincible yeah because can you imagine like if we have the the for example the the feeling of doubt right doubt and uncertainty now doubt and uncertainty play a big part in most people's lives and they can be paralyzing those two things so just imagine living a life zeroed out zero uncertainty i mean incredible how do we get to a place of not doubting ourselves you can because you need to know who you are you need to know who you are so that you don't doubt yourself because because the one the one that he's doubting is the ego the one that he's doubting is the mind it's not who we are so then you've got to become very aware of your thoughts that one that is doubting the one the negative thoughts they're all coming from the ego right all of them because who you are would never have a negative thought ever ever who you are would never judge who you are doesn't have who you are is allowing and accepting and so you so all of those things are coming from the ego and they are not who you are and that voice in your head that you hear that that voice that's you know so familiar to you and seems to know an awful lot about you and sounds like you that voice is not you that voice is just a program um what was the voice that was in your head consistently pre-secret that you had to overcome that belief and then and then what's been the program because i feel like every new evolution of us is going to be some type of thing to overcome so has it been something you've had to overcome in the last 15 years post-secret to get to the next level definitely negative thoughts for this secret you had a lot of before this i was just like i was pointing out all the things that were wrong and somehow i was kind of brought up and i think a lot of us are that you're a good person if you if you point out the things that are wrong you know you have to speak up and say that's wrong you know that shouldn't be happening and and uh and so i i was kind of brought up with that too and so that's brought up with judgment and that does not help us at all judgment we need to put it in the trash because that does that does not belong with us and the one who is judging is the ego that's it's the ego it's judging the one that has negative thoughts is the ego so so i had all of that going on you know i had doubt i had uncertainty i had feelings of unworthiness i had heaps of stress oh my gosh heaps of stress i was like pre the boy secret yeah living on the edge you know i was like this with life like white knuckles you know what's going to happen next you know something bad's going to happen and being really afraid it's you know something's going to happen to somebody i love or so i mean i live my life like that and and i think everybody does and and they just kind of keep it all squashed down you know and but most people live their life that way and i mean you know in the last year if you've been terrified you know in the last year and really fearful in the last year you know all of that fear has been given to you as this lovely gift you know when you're maybe a child it's like here's a whole lot of things to be fearful about and uh and then we go through fear and i mean it's very easy to see that there's no pandemic that is fear of fear based pandemic why do we know that because there are many people who are not afraid and so if the pandemic was you know in the world was actually a real fear um manifestation then every single person on the planet would be fearful and while there are a lot of people fearful there are still a lot who are not so that just shows you that the fear was already here with us you know before the pandemic came along right yeah what was the what was the belief that you still had to overcome post-secret because you overcame a lot to be able to create something like that there was this incredible but then were there other negative beliefs that still held you back the biggest one the biggest one was that i was abundant that was the biggest one that was your limit a limiting belief or that that was the one i i had been brought up with we can't afford it we don't have enough you know and money would come into my hands it would slip through my fingers you know things would break down the universe would do all these things to get the money out of my hands just like take it away yeah because i had this belief that i did not have an abundant amount of money and uh that i was always in struggle and that came from my parents bless them you know they are beautiful um but that that came from them you know we can't afford it and all of those things so i was brought up with that as many of us are so the the one one that i had the biggest thing to overcome the belief the biggest thing to overcome was the belief in lack of money and and i knew i needed to overcome that for the secret to sweep the world to be able to attract and bring you yeah because if i didn't overcome that how could it possibly why would money come to you then exactly yeah so i had to overcome it how did you how did you overcome that i mean how do you overcome the fear of lack of the not having enough never i'm not worthy of money how do we finally transition into abundance um i did that by many many things i tried many things uh all kinds of i was experimenting with it so i mean i would just walk down the street and say there's prosperity everyone breathing in prosperity i do all these um affirmations you know i'm breathing in prosperity with every breath i take i am my substance is prosperity i am abundant i am worthy you know and so i would say all these affirmations i would have them all pinned up around the apartment that i was staying in and so that i would see them and read them every day so that was just one thing i did then what i would do the biggest thing was because at the time i was in incredible debt i was making the secret and i just didn't have the money to make it wow and i started out two million dollars in debt mind you because of a whole lot of shows that went really wrong and so you were producing tv shows at the time yeah i was and so i mean two million dollars in debt makes it sound like i had a lot of money i never had anything like that money but we these particular movies that were making they ran over budget and so i started with two million dollars in debt i remember i discovered the secret and i went to my accountant and i said you have to do whatever it takes to keep my company afloat i'm going to make something that's going to change the world i'm going to make it you keep my company going and so and and you know and he just said he just said okay and uh and so i took out oh my gosh i maxed every credit card i had to the limit i i mortgaged my home to the absolute limit i took overdrafts out on my company so i could make the documentary wow and and so i had crushing debt coming in on me and i needed more money to keep making it so it was a journey of absolute luck you know and the luck was just an expression of what i'd been brought up with so i had to turn that around so one of the things i did like the um when i would go and get used to get then you would get your bills or accounts in the mail you know it wasn't all online and so oh i'd go to them you know and straight away my stomach would like and if anybody's been in that situation where you just don't have enough money and you've got all these bills it's a horrible feeling you know and my my whole body would contract and i would know that is attracting a lack of money and that's not attracting abundance so i used to do this thing whereby i would do gratitude and and i would listen to music and i would do all of as many things as i could until i felt really really good and i would just say to myself i am abundant and nothing would object no thought would object and i'm like right now's the time to open the mail right well i'm feeling really really good and so then i would open the the bills and i would look at each one as though it was a check i would imagine it's a job not a bill so you played a game in your mind and you're like it's a hundred thousand notch except and i would go wow look at all the checks i've got today and so i would do that you know and then i'd open them up and i'd be like wow 160 dollar check and you know a 2 300 check and then i felt like it wasn't i want i would add them all up and that's how much i received today and then i would think you know what i need to be receiving more money than that so i would add zeros to the to the bills and i would pretend that they were instead of 160 or 16 000 a check that was coming to me and so it added all up and i've received all this money so that was one of the other games that i played um and then i did something quite radical i it was a experiment and test and all of these things i did so that i could tell what worked and what would work for people and and so i thought what's the way that i can feel really good about money because when you don't have enough it's really hard to feel good about it really hard right really hard and so i thought what's the one way that i can feel good about money okay the way that i can feel good about money is if i give some away and so what i want well what about if you have no money to give away i took it out i took it i took it out on my credit card wow i took i took out these 20 bills on my on my credit card i think i could access a hundred dollars or something so i took out all of these 20 bills and i thought right i'm going to walk down the street and i said to the universe show me who to give it to and so i would walk down the street and i was looking at everybody's faces and i don't know if you've ever done that in your life is just so silently walk down the street and look at people's faces like with a heart wide open and i was just melting looking at all these people's faces and and and then it was just amazing because the universe would just show me who to give it to like these kids walked out of a store and they're like counting their money i don't have enough to get that you know they're wanting to get something in the store and so just you know gave them twenty dollars in there and they're like thanks lady and ran and ran back in the store to get you know the ice creams or whatever they wanted and uh um it was an ice cream store i think they were at the front of and so so yeah i just went down the street giving away this money and uh and in fact there were two i think there was two or one twenty dollar note that there it just like stopped it wasn't clear anymore who to give it to and so i just stopped do you know that that was on a friday and on the monday i received 25 000 in my account from a place that i never ever ever could have expected wow yeah it's so powerful right it's crazy was there any other tests or games that you tried to you know change your thoughts and play with your mind to start seeing yourself as abundant and improvised i did i did lists of all of the things that i was going to all the things i was going to buy you know when the money came in um so i did all of these lists and i imagined that i had those things already um and yeah and i wanted i remember it was like i want a house on the ocean i really went all out you know that was just some list um one of the things i remember is that i'd always wanted a range for over all of my life and that was just beyond anything i could afford and uh especially in australia i know at crazy prices so but still i put it on the list and i put all these things on the list but you know interestingly enough like i did that because that was a way to turn money around but when the secret got released i didn't care about any of it because and i didn't even care all that mattered was that i had got it out into the world and now it was in the world it could never be taken away and that is what mattered to me more than anything is that that was going to get into people's hands and so um but still i have to tell you got all the things on the list you know it has amazing views out here of the ocean um i ended up by getting a range rover um and so yeah but i did i did a lot of practices and i have shared those practices in a lot of the books and also we created an app which was the secret to money and so there are a lot of the practices in that i put in that app and i was just dedicated wow because i knew this was a big thing for people and and that if i can do it anyone can do it yeah and you just all you have to do is you keep doing it until you do not feel any more lack anymore until there are no more thoughts coming up saying oh no you're broke you know thoughts where you're even looking at the money going out with like a contraction you know something else i did i imagined that with those um bills that i would open i imagined that i was giving those people money and helping their families and having so i would imagine that as well that was something else i did that that i am um that when i paid a bill i would really sit down and i would think about all of the people that worked in that company and all of their families i would feel the feelings of all of that then i would think about all of this all of the industries that service that company that i was paying the money to and that all of the money that i'm paying affects all of those people and helps their family and helps them get food and so that was sort of another way that i felt really good about money wow do you ever wish the secret came to you sooner in your life when you were starting your career or you know at a place where you're like man i could really use some money right now you know 10 or 15 years prior did you ever or are you grateful that it came at the exact moment it came hey it would have been nice had it come earlier but do you think you would have been ready for it no i think the timing of the universe is perfect on everything and i don't think um i don't i don't know that i would have heard it i don't know like i needed every single thing that took place in my life to happen and i had a couple of really rough years before 2004 and then 2004 was a doozy that's why it knocked me to my knocked me to the ground and i've looked back on all of those things and i'm so grateful for every one of them because i needed every one of those things to go wrong to get me to the place that i got to and and i'm i'm just so grateful i could have like lived my whole life without you know finding anything and i just think so i'm so blessed isn't it interesting a lot of people that i've interviewed um have gone through some type of big breakdown in their life or at some stage and isn't it interesting that it's hard for us to truly grow and find the wisdom we need to find without when things are going good when they're going kind of bad but it's almost like we need to have some type of breakdown in order we need to have a near-death experience a breakup in a relationship or divorce uh an injury a career loss in order for us to wake up and say something's not working i need to find the answers and the information to help me improve my life why why do you think it has to be so hard for us yeah to seek and find the truth yeah i think it's because and you know i would say to people you do not have to suffer you know um i mean i write books so they don't have to suffer you know i but it just does seem to happen that way and i and i think there are a few reasons why i i think when we when we kind of collapse there's a part of us that surrenders a little bit you know if i think back to that night when i discovered the secret i've played that over and over in my mind and uh and definitely i was i mean there wasn't there was not the ego that's got so many ideas and opinions i i've always said that night that the despair was so great inside me that my ego jumped on the horse and rode the heck out of there because i think i think it just collapsed you know and and so there was this huge opening and in that opening came everything and and so yeah i just i we just we just need to we just need to melt our heart and hearts need to open and we need to get this you know out of the way this knower who thinks they know everything you know get this one out of the way and our hearts open and then oh my gosh you know it's amazing and unfortunately it can take very challenging circumstances for for that to happen yeah yeah yeah it's interesting i love um a lot of jim carrey's work as a as an actor but he's also a beautiful artist and i love his philosophies on life he is a famous quote that's i'm paraphrasing that says i i wish everyone could become rich and famous and realize it's not the key to happiness or that's not everything it's something around that he's like i wish everyone could achieve this so you could see it's not the answer you you were like a a rocket ship right that went into another universe with the secret in terms of the movement that you created and the success and the abundance that came into your life and the opportunities i'm curious did you still face any challenges even with all the acknowledgement and success and 30 million copies or however many that sold now do you did you still face a lot of challenges personally in that last yeah i did i did um uh they were kind of they were situations that were sort of outside of what i was creating because i was creating all kinds of you know amazing things but then there are people around me that i love and they're creating you know and so i had you know a daughter who was really really sick at one stage and i was really afraid fearful for her life and so i had a whole bunch of negative thoughts that kind of took me down over that and i went through really really big wildfires in california but they by the time the wildfires came they didn't affect me because i'd already had the second awakening so i was just like cool with whatever happened but but between those two books there were there were definitely things you know in particular my daughter uh who was really struggling so um so yeah there are things you know that happen that are outside of what you are creating for yourself but still affect you because others are creating that right and so um so even though you had the best-selling book of the last couple decades and all these opportunities and the abundance and you don't have to worry about those things anymore it still didn't mean you didn't have your own challenges to overcome that's right and you know what i think you know as i've traveled along we're always going to have them um they they we're always going to have them because we because everything in the universe is conspiring to send us home and so and the way to get us home is to have challenges so that we question things and so that we open up and so i think we will always have challenges but but big but but you can get to a point where they don't seem like challenges at all where they just seem like no nothing they don't bother you you're not at all concerned that's not a problem you know and um uh and when the wildfires came for example uh i evacuated and i had a house full of you know beautiful things i didn't take anything with me because if i took a whole lot of stuff with me that would be saying to the universe i think it's going to burn down right so i wasn't gonna take anything with me and i didn't want to anyway uh and i was just fine with whatever happened it was if it got engulfed then that meant that that the universe needed to move me in a different direction and i was totally fine with that and i and i would know that it's for the better and for more amazing things so i was really fine and all the people around me were all panicked they're like i was so close you know it's burning houses in your street and i was just like honestly i never felt a shred of fear or anything at all i was just fine with it and so and so that's the way we can be you can have challenges and uh and in our community they're really bad mudslides after those uh fires yeah i know people's homes are being swept yeah and took out you know but some of my dearest friends died in that and lost houses and everything santa barbara area right yeah yeah and so um but i mean i was able to be of enormous help to the people around me because i i was not down in the suffering where they were i was feeling incredible compassion for everybody and everything that the community was going through but i knew this community would rise up and be fine again as they have as they have done but i just made sure that i made myself available to people to help them in their grief and and things like that and so but you know even that you know i was evacuated again for like another three weeks or a month i didn't know if my house was still standing or not right but you know it was it was just it was again it was just fine and i know people would be like but how you know how can you be like that and they've been other things you know really tough things like my daughter lost a baby and uh um so all sorts of things outside of my creation kind of thing but uh but it just didn't didn't go into the suffering of those things you know how do we how have you learned to eliminate suffering in your personal life through the the good and the bad that comes in have you feel like you've mastered that where you don't suffer anymore i don't feel like i suffer very much no and and uh i can't say that i i would never again i can't imagine what there would be that i would and really the the way that i did that was uh was really on the journey which is all in in the book and it is and it is a journey but one of the things and it's in the secret what you resist persists right and so i came to understand that if we resisted negative feelings then then we just pushed them down inside of us and suppress them and then they would just be sparking off at every little thing you know if you've got anger suppressed inside of you you can bet there's going to be a whole lot of things in the world that are going to trigger that anger that is pushed down inside of you and so i i actually intuitively worked out that if i welcomed a negative feeling like imagined like putting my arms around it and bringing it in close to me what was some but we're not pushing them away we're pushing them down here which then plays havoc on our body you know so so one by one as a negative feeling would arise i would welcome it it would dissolve and then if it came back it would just never be as strong like it was it was like really weak and so then i'd welcome it again until i don't feel it anymore i don't think it's possible for me to get angry anymore wow so say someone say say someone you love or a friend of yours or someone you love in a relationship is getting angry at you and they get angry at you for little things whether it's your fault or not your fault how would you take on that situation yeah that wouldn't bother me um so if someone was like i don't like that you did this or you're bad in this area would you would you be defensive or would you just no because i would just look at them and see that that is not them that's the mind and the ego talking and and that's not them and so right so just wouldn't take that personally because it's not personal actually at all even if somebody is coming to you with a whole lot of stuff it's it's just a recording a computer pro it's just a program in the mind and it seems like it's personal but it's not personal and so i just wouldn't engage and inflame that situation and uh and very often what you know what i would do what if someone what if someone's like rhonda this book is horrible you're that's all right i don't like the way you look uh you know they're just saying everything is whatever they're saying all these things are trying to attack you they're trying to pull all these negative comments online none of that would affect you no you would just smile and say let me hug this emotion yeah because because you know everybody's got different opinions and and everybody's in a different place and i just feel incredible compassion if i see somebody upset because i know that they have that emotion suppressed inside of them i know they can't help it it's like a pressure cooker and it's got to come out that's why it's not personal because if the family member that's going at you and they're angry they're angry because they've got a whole lot of anger suppressed inside of them and so what happens is the subconscious mind is desperately looking for a trigger in the outside world to release some of the anger and so it's just not personal and so i just and you know if somebody was like angry i'll just be like you know what think you're right yeah i think you're right just to just be allowing of that now i can't say that i don't know if every single situation in my life is going to be like that but i have not felt anger for a long time now what if someone's listening saying well i feel like someone's walking over me every time i'm a punching bag for their emotions i feel like they just take everything out on me whether it's a you know they're married or a couple what advice would you have for someone in reinterpreting that as opposed to taking it personally if they feel that way yeah well of course you don't want to let people walk all over you too you know but you don't want to stop them when you're all full of negative emotion because then that negative they're going to feel the negative emotion and then it's going to be fireworks right and so you can you can draw the line with somebody but if you're drawing the line and you're neutral and you're not filled with emotion it's so amazing to see that person will just comply yeah yeah they'll just be like oh okay sorry didn't realize because they don't feel any animosity or anything coming from you so so that would that would be the first thing but if you cannot be in that kind of place where you're not feeling a whole lot of things the work is an inside job it is if if if all of those thoughts are coming up from you that you know they're beating up on me there this you've got feelings of unworthiness inside of you this is why it's manifesting none of those things are true you know people are way more magnificent than they realize that they are they have all the power in the world you know and so um and and yeah so i i just think that you you just have to um i don't know you just were you were you an angry person ever or did you have anger angry emotions at any point in your life i did do you remember the moment when you said and this no longer works for me it doesn't serve me anymore i'm going to stop being angry was there a moment that this happened yeah i think there was i just i i wanted to be i just didn't want to suffer anymore that was really the moment for me yes like i sought the truth i was seeking the truth because i wanted a way out of suffering and you know i've got an incredible life but what i talk when i when i talk about suffering what i mean is suffering from the mind not suffering from what's happening in the world suffering from the mind suffering from this co you know the constant you know mind you know getting stuck into us saying you shouldn't have done that that was dumb you know or i don't know how how you're going to go doing that podcast or i mean i don't have those thoughts anymore but but i would have all of those things you don't have to do a pitch and the mind would just be how are you going to do this without freezing up you know how you're going to do it and so it would just beat me up and then you have all those thoughts and then you feel really bad and i just did not want to suffer from the mind anymore and i was very clear it's not the world it's the mind what i love this you're speaking my language here on i love it what is what would you say for someone who has a pretty good life but they doubt themselves a lot still like they want to put this thing on their world their book their artwork they want to say how they truly feel or the person their dreams whatever it is but they doubt themselves they have a lot of self-doubt so there are two things that really really work both brilliantly one is gratitude you can do so much gratitude and then that will just wipe out those feelings and the other thing is somebody who's feeling all of those things has a base of unworthiness and so what will take that out is love and and so if you go about just looking through the day and looking for all of the things you love i love that about that person you know i love this time of the year when this is happening and you know i love this time of the year i love holidays you know even though the pandemic's happening i still love this time of the year and i love yeah i love whatever it is i love this car that i drive i feel so blessed that i have this car or i love the fact that i'm going to be getting a new car one day you know and and so i love my bed and i love i love my bed and just look at all of the things that you love and really rampage it every day because as you send out all of that love it gets multiplied and will come back into you and gone are the feelings of unworthiness i love that i love that uh i interviewed uh liz gilbert who's uh oh yes someone i i love her energy and i love her work and she's a just a a sweet woman um making an impact in the world obviously she wrote the book eat pray love which i think did 12 or 15 million copies uh was a similar type of experience for her where she wrote this book and it took off into a major movie and you know all these copies sold over the world and her life changed forever and when i interviewed her one of the things she said is i may never be able to recreate this type of magic like i may never have read a book that sells 10 million copies again in a year um you know hopefully and i'm going to keep creating the work yeah is this something that ever you faced with as you as a artist as a creator who put something out in the world that had such momentum and continues today to like sell to younger generations now and take out a new life of its own it seems like it's like it's uh did you ever feel like man will i ever be able to recreate this or should i even put this new book out there because maybe it won't do as well as this previous book have you ever thought that or had this i have had i have had those thoughts uh way early on not so much now because i'm just fine with you know with the journey whichever way it goes and the most important thing for me was to write this book and that it is in the world for generations to come and uh for everybody now who is ready for it and then for for future generations that was the same with the secret i just knew the secret would change lives well after all of us were no longer on the planet but i'm just so grateful with what happened with the secret and uh that you know i just think i'm so blessed to have had that experience that i don't mind you know and and and this book that that i've written for me like it's the most important book that i've written the secret is just the best book for life on planet earth it's nothing better you know it's very simple it's very straightforward it's it's got the creative process in it you know ask believe receive you apply it to everything but this book frees us forever and so the very fact that it has manifested and is here in the world is all i ever need you're very grateful yeah yeah and then for the lives that change from it everyone will be a blessing and um yeah why do you think we suffer so much you know i've studied a lot of meditation with different teachers in india and uh you know i've got my own theories but i'm curious why do you think we suffer as a human race so much well mostly we're ignorant of the truth and that's causes of suffering um but like all suffering comes from the mind you know it doesn't come from the world it comes from the mind and so we we suffer more from the thoughts by believing our own thoughts than we do from anything in the world and you know the thoughts about 2020 way more terrifying you know than the thought the mind just conscious like the mind loves the drama i love the drama like it it will just like it will just give you so many scary thoughts around the drama and get you so worked up you know and uh but you know the mind unfortunately uh is you know is is it is just our greatest tool to create the life that we want to have but we're in a duality so it is equally can be our torturer oh man it's it's funny to say that because again growing up i was studying this book called science and health by a woman named mary baker eddie who wrote this book and she said stan porter at the door of thought because those who stand porter at the dwarf thought they're able to admit the good and reject evil those are the ones who are assured of a happier healthier more rewarding human experience if you can truly be a guard to negative evil thoughts drama thoughts stress thoughts gossip thoughts judgment thoughts and one of the practices my dad did is when we were watching football and tv growing up he would turn the commercials off he wouldn't allow me and my siblings to watch the commercials because most of the commercials in the u.s at least growing up and today were around pharmaceutical drugs you need this drug to help you with this thing and you're sick and you're sick and you're sick and it's no wonder you know uh i think it's two-thirds of our country in america now is either obese or overweight and pre-diabetic or type 2 diabetes and the amount of medicine that we need because we're constantly being fed you are sick so when these thoughts enter our minds and consume our thoughts start to manifest in the the physical body um and it's something that i think we need to practice more of i'd have read i rarely watch the news because i don't want my brain to take over into this dramatic uh you know soap opera of life yeah entirely and i think it's i think it's something we need to focus on more of is being a guard to negative thoughts absolutely because one of the ways that this happened in 2020 is because of all of the focus on it you know you focus on something that gets bigger it's as simple as that you know you put your mind on it and it is just going to get bigger and bigger and bigger and what we've got the whole world focused on this one thing and what happens here we go again you know and so if everybody just took their mind off it it would disappear off the planet you know it'd be it'd be gone so took your mind off of it if you didn't consume it talk about it think about it obsess over it yeah every time we talk about it every time we obsess about it we're energizing it we're making it bigger it's just the way it works it's i mean there's a lot of other problems in the world right now and there have been you know there's um a lot of challenges that we're not obsessing over and therefore we're not manifesting it more because we're not obsessing over it's still there i mean coronavirus or whatever would still be there but it wouldn't be so magnified in our thoughts consuming us what is exactly you talk about everlasting happiness in the book how do we i mean it seems like you found a pretty a pretty blissful place but that might be a lot of people watching or listening might say well it must be easy for rhonda she's you know make a millionaire she doesn't have to worry about money she's got all this everything going for her but as the world has shown there's been many suicides this year from a lot of wealthy people who were unhappy when they seemingly had it all how do we how do we start to find the journey of everlasting happiness because i'm a bit like uh um jim carrey in that uh you know it's one of the really great benefits is when you do acquire all those things that you know i i mean i was born into really really humble family like they did not have much money and many people would have considered us poor and uh but uh you know and then suddenly you get all of these things and they're it's all wonderful you know that's great it's horrible being worried about money it really is but that happiness that we think that those material things will bring is fleeting you know and and so i agree with jim carrey in that in that those those things are never going to bring you everlasting happiness and what will bring you everlasting happiness is to know the truth about everything and to know the truth about who you are and that will bring you everlasting happiness because that will take away all of the all of the things that everybody is worried about like death all of those things will be resolved and um and then you just everything falls into place you know you're just like wow and and the world and the manifestation of the world becomes even more incredible than it was and when you're not fearful you love so deeply you know the love that you have is so deep and so here you are in this state of i'm totally allowing and you know and i i don't mind what happens and you just got this undercurrent of happiness well just imagine what law of attraction does with that no resistance just allowing just it's so amazing i mean it just you just have to you don't even have to think of something and it just comes into your life like it's so fast and one thing that i will say for sure is i think like i've always felt life works in the opposite way to the way we were brought up potentially not you lewis because you were so fortunate um but for most of us it works in the opposite way to what we thought and one of the things is we've all been driven to achieve and you know struggle to get somewhere and you've got to work really hard you know to get money there's a belief you know no you don't you know it's that's not the case all of the time at all and so we we like struggle and pushed an effort effort effort and the most extraordinary thing is this is that the more effortless you are the greater you manifest everything that you ever dreamt of yes because right because when you have effort you are saying i don't have this you know you're saying i don't have it and the university is i don't have it you know and so so when you're efforting you're like i don't have it i'm not worthy enough i need to work harder i need to really struggle but if you are just completely effortless everything just comes because there's no resistance stopping any of it there's a lot of i'm a big fan of this but i also understand the principle of uh working hard as an athlete i would have to wake up early train to grow learn my craft and put in you know years of practice that was hard work you know it's yeah i got to grow my muscles it's not growing you know effortlessly at that age so for and some business owners will say you know the key to building a successful business is you know working hard building the right team but showing up consistently every day what would you say to that thought uh around hard work and for a lot of people as an athlete then you would definitely know those times when you performed brilliantly and it was average where you yeah right it was that you're in the zone where you're in the zone you're in the flow yeah it's just extraordinary you know it's like something is moving your body you're not it's just like you it's the most incredible thing and actors too have the same experience they will have this moment when they're on stage or acting and suddenly the ego is not there and they are just flowing like it is incredible and i heard an actor talk about that and say all actors crave for that moment you know and so when that because effort comes from the ego and from the mind that's where it all comes from so so we can do and achieve and have all of those things without all of that effort yeah what's the difference between i guess there's still level of needing to master your craft though right like you became a great producer and a director and creator that doesn't come after two days of not working on your craft right because you worked on your craft for a decade or two until you had the skill set the knowledge the wisdom to them yeah put out what you needed to hmm you're still doing things and this is the thing because being effortless doesn't mean you're not doing things what it means is there's no effort in what you're doing so it's it's so you're still doing things but it's effortless like you were still working out but it was effortless and so because the minute you feel like you're struggling that's the mind and that's the ego stepped in and then it's not flowing you know and and people will find when they're struggling you know there's that goes wrong and then that goes wrong and that goes wrong and so you still do things and i still did all of those things like before the secret i did everything with effort full effort one thousand percent hard-working effort yeah title queen of effort and you were lacking and you were lacking abundance yeah yeah and so now i do like i i sat down to do this book this book was absolutely effortless really oh oh my gosh absolutely the most effortless book that i have written for sure i mean amazing really amazing and so when i was writing the seal wrote the secret in two and a half weeks two and a half weeks because it's just like wow because i'd made the documentary i'd done all these practices i knew what i wanted to share all of the things that i wanted to share in the secret and so i mean we spent you know about six weeks in the editing process of it but it just came like a rush and that two and a half weeks was effortless and when i did this book it was effortless and i and there have been books that i've gone to right where it's been a lot of effort really you know yeah yeah and i and i just have to stop because i remember i wrote a book and i and i never published it and it was all effort and it was you're forcing it you were yeah forcing it and so then what you're writing about is you're just writing a whole lot of recycled stuff but the mind is turning up and you are not receiving things from beyond the mind and you want to have things beyond the mind you know that's why when you when you're an athlete and that flow and everything that's because the mind has stopped it's gone to the background and now you're beyond the mind and when you're beyond the mind oh anything's possible yeah you're tapping into a greater source than yourself yeah what is the what is the some truth that you have now about life about the world and about manifesting you've gone through a journey from the secret to the greatest secret and you've had some obviously some other big books in between but what are the the main truths you've discovered in this journey the world is not what we think it is the world is different from what it appears to be and even science quantum physics will tell us that you know um with the observer effect and you know nothing comes into form unless there's a mind observing it and so so the world is not what it appears to be and i always thought that it was separate and this is a separate one here and you know this one's born and dies and you know and uh and everything everything's everything's separate and time is real and uh and this you know from here to my toes is is who i am um and they're the things that uh they're the things that are not true and that and that you have to work hard and struggle and i had no idea of the power of the mind you know i had no idea of the power of the mind to manifest and the power of the mind to sabotage us you know to heart to harm us but i'm really clear about it now and so i mean that's just those things are the greatest things that i would say for anybody because when you see the truth and you kind of got to see it you know it's not an intellectual thing it's like i i think in the greatest secret i talk about you know when you see those paintings um where you just have to shift you know yeah yeah but there's two paintings in the one right and and first of all you can see the one you can see the one really really clearly and somebody says to you there's a woman on a horse in that painting right but you can only see you know the chipmunks in the corner you can't you can't see a woman on the horse and they're like you've just got to look you've just got to change your perspective ever so slightly and the woman on the horse will come into view well that is exactly the same as it is to say the truth exactly exactly and so what do people see did they see of us or do they see to to women right yeah right and you can see when you flip from one to the other that and that is really what it's like we see the world is solid and us is separate but if we just shift our perspective ever so slightly we see something entirely different that that is completely freeing what was the perspective you still needed to shift in the last five years the mind the mind working on the mind yeah just watching it come up you know watching beliefs come up and and being the witness you know you said something so wonderful lewis before about you know what you know you were taught to watch those watch those negative thoughts but but just watching the mind instead of like being hypnotized by it you know and getting lost getting lost getting lost in it but it's uh and and sometimes it would just and i'd be lost and then i'd come out it and be like wow you just disappeared with the mind you know you just went thought after thought after thought after thought and but even if you only realize it the next day at least you realized it you know it's great it's a win it's a really big win and so so i it's just kind of watching the mind and then the mind gets very still but certainly i would say for people who you know have followed the secret and who've integrated the law of attraction into their life that is a massive step yeah because right training your mind to positive and i could tell how you know how joyful you are and positive you are a person just naturally that way and so it's really easy that's the first step is to get the mind into positive programming and that is so easy to do a day of gratitude you'll see the difference the next day you know it's easy and so getting it to be positive and then it's much easier because then you're dealing with positive thoughts and and you've weakened the negative thoughts and so then you have an opportunity when a bit of drama happens and you see them come in the mind comes in whoa watch out you know you better be careful um then then they stand out more to you and just the biggest biggest thing in our life for everybody is to become aware of your thoughts um so true what's the thought you have the most right now that you're aware of in your day-to-day life who i am to remember who i am who are you the thought who are you conscious consciousness yeah yeah so that's that's and that thought isn't even coming from the mind because the mind can't recognize consciousness yeah it has no hope of doing it it can't ever do it so when you have a thought like that is coming from is coming from consciousness coming from above the mind you know i i there's this there's this wonderful teacher who's in the book muji and he said and he may not have even meant this quote in this way but i always took it in this way because i absolutely loved it he said you have to be like the cow that jumped over the moon and i'm like that's it you got to be like the cow that jumps over the mind that's what you've got to be and i don't know if he ever meant it like that but that image for me that i would use that a lot i've got to be like the cow that jumped over the mind and uh and that just helped me so much to stop identifying with the mind you know stop identifying with it and just to watch it and it's glorious you know think about what you want think about it think about it and it'll come it'll appear but then just be aware of your thoughts wow what do you want the world again there's no i don't know any interviews i can find of you online what do you want the world to know about who you are who who i am consciousness who who what is what is something uh that you want the world to know about who is rhonda in the world today what and what is the thing that you think people might misinterpret about you because again there's not a lot of there's not a lot of content of you doing interviews online well i think there's always going to be because it's a duality there's always going to be the resistance to anything and we've seen through history that when somebody comes out with big ideas new ideas you know let's just take galileo for example you know big new ideas there is in there is pushback because it's a duality right and so i just see that as part of it you know this is part of the world and there is going to be that and um and so i don't i don't mind and uh i don't i don't really see you know i don't really regard ronda as something something um tangible so i really wouldn't even mind what anybody thought i love that i don't like i don't mind it um you know i guess if there was anything she was dedicated to the truth you know she was consciousness was dedicated to delivering the truth in the simplest way possible through that form and um because somehow or another this this particular body mind has uh has a a real connection to simplicity love simplicity and so i everything just want everything to be simple you know for people to understand it's all so simple and in actual fact you know the greatest secret is simple so simple three words will get you there actually three words will get you to who you are however it's all of the beliefs and the opinions and the fixed ideas we have in our mind that then will make something very simple complicated you know well i can't do that you know i'm not border i'm not jesus christ you know i can't i can't do you know i'm just this you know and uh yeah what are those three words are you aware are you aware because if i'm not aware i'm in suffering i'm in lack i'm in frustration anger resentment judgment but if i'm aware i can get to a place of inner peace abundance love yeah because you can only be aware in the present moment you know you can't be aware in the past and the future well they don't exist anyway so that's you know they're just relative and it's important you know we've got calendars so you and i know to connect at this time and everything so but it's not real and i mean even einstein told us that and but that's a hard nut to crack you know time because you know it's a hard one because the mind is born in time the mind creates time and so if you try and understand that there's no time with the mind the mind just goes to you know you just go to marshmallow you're like oh again you know what's interesting another another principle my dad taught me he would always say that you know there is no time it's infinite yeah the time is infinite uh and he would also never celebrate my birthday as a kid growing up and i never unders i never understood it and i've told this story a few times but i've never understood it amazing so later in life i was like yeah you know 12 or 13 i was like dad why don't you celebrate my birthday do not love me and he sat me down and he's like it's not that i don't love you it's that i don't want to put a number on your age to limit you because so many people in this world say they're too old they're too young so they can't do this or their time has passed and i never want you to be limited by time gosh louis that is so beautiful it was i at the time i was like yeah but can't you just give me a cake and some presents yeah i mean you could get the cake in the presents but then that would kind of condition you right condition you too i mean that is absolutely beautiful that's pure love that is not to want to condition you to time you know because because it's not true you know that age that number of your birthday that's not true that's not true you're ageless we're ageless we don't have an age we didn't have a beginning and we don't have an end you know and so and so i just think that was beautiful because you know so impressionable as children and it just all goes into the subconscious mind and then you've just got to get it out you know yes like we have we go through life and all of this stuff goes in and then and then the way to freedom is is not acquiring anything it's taking it out it's taking it out simplifying our lives simplifying yes it's like people want to get big houses and then stuff it with things and then they realize i've got to manage all this stuff now yeah and i want a simple life you know it's yeah i'm all for having nice things and quality and you know great experiences and everything but i find myself every few months being like gosh i just want to get rid of things in my closet and like clean the space so i can have a decluttered space for a decluttered mind yeah and because the the the more that you the mind quietens and the quieter that it gets the more orderly you have to have your life you know the more order you want in your life i've really noticed that about myself like it's just the order i want everything in order you know and um no kind of chaos or anything and chaos of course is the mind you know um and so expressing itself the chaos inside yeah what do you feel like is missing in your life right now at this stage of your life wow interesting question total total full self-realization full full full um i'm certainly you know along the way a little bit um and the book is full of teachers that have been self-realized enlightened whatever words you want to use for decades and um and i can tell by the way that the mind is not uh the mind is quiet and i can tell the way things don't bother me anymore like people you know people that used to bother you in situations that used to bother you when they come up i'm like how was it that they ever bothered me i don't even get why did they ever bother me i didn't see anything wrong with them and so i can tell just that and the happiness that is with me each day um but just more of that more of it yeah yeah that's beautiful more of it i've got a i've got a few more minutes with you a couple final questions for you to respect our time together um this is a question i ask everyone at the end of our interviews it's called the three truths it's a hypothetical question okay so i'd like you to imagine that you get to live as long as you want to live in this earth in this body and in this physical mind right but for and you've achieved everything you want to create in the world from this point on to as old as you want to live physically uh you've created it all you've seen everything come true yourself realized self-actualized you've got more books and work it's all happened but for whatever reason it's the last day and for whatever reason in this hypothetical scenario you've got to take all of your body of work with you so no one has access to the secret no one has access to the greatest secret no one has access to just imagine it's a hypothetical yeah yeah and um you've got to take it all with you to the next place wherever that is but you get to leave behind three things that you know to be true from your entire life and your existence and these are only three lessons that you could share with the world and that's all they would have to remember you by are these three things what would you say are your three truths focus on what you want not on what you don't want who you really are is deathless infinite being pure love beauty those things are fine i think i was just going to think of a lot of other beautiful things that we have but yeah that's number two and there is no death you know a mentor of mine said to me many years ago he said the greatest moment of life is the moment of death wow i know it's crazy and i said and i said why is that and he said because all the negativity falls away it's all gone all the suffering the negative thoughts all gone and he said it's the greatest moment and he said if everybody knew that they wouldn't study that's crazy who would you say has been the most influential person in your life from from birth to now and what was the greatest lesson they've taught you gosh i've had so many angels at my table i call them that have been incredible in my life all along the way pre-secret post-secret uh but hands down hands down is my teacher hands down because i and when i first met her um she walked into a room and i understood that being told she was a student of two of my favorite teachers lester levinson and robert adams and i walked up to her to say i can't believe that you're a student of these two incredible beings and you know i walked up to her and went to speak to her and in that moment i was home everything anything negative any negative memory everything was gone and i was in so much bliss and happiness and just tears pointing to my face and um and i i was like i thought she would think i was crazy and she said to me um she just said come with me and she took me into this lovely sort of sitting area away from everybody where everybody was because i was at a retreat not her retreat but i was at a retreat and i sat down with her and yeah that was just the most incredible so it's definitely my teacher and my teacher showing me constantly who i really am and constantly showing me the tricks of the mind that she calls the troublemaker yeah definitely her she wants to remain anonymous okay so all of her teachings are through the book i've said she's allowed me to share all of the words that i that she shared with me and all of the practices and they're in the book and in fact all of the teachers in the book every single one of them changed my life i have they've all been my journey from the secret to now and uh and so every one of them has some of them i followed for two years or three years or four years and some of them you know one year or a month but every single one of them has impacted my life in a really huge way and so they are the journey from the sacred to now yeah yeah you have a lot of quotes from your teacher and uh your teacher says don't believe the troublemaker and it's kind of that's right um this is a this has been a a pleasure i've got a one final question for you rhonda but i want to make sure before i ask it to let everyone know they can get this book the greatest secret right now you can get it online uh amazon you can go to your website rhondaburn.com that's b-y-r-n-e you can go to the secret.tv and i'm sure there'll be links everywhere where they could find this book and also get this for a friend or your whole family this is going to be extremely powerful especially going into 2021 for you to understand the wisdom in this book so get a few copies for yourself uh make sure to share it online and you're not you're not very active yourself personally i don't think on social media but you have uh twitter instagram and facebook that is active with the secret types of yes and i do write a lot of things like during the pandemic i was writing a lot of things to help people get through that so i was really uh and the team post those things but uh yeah i was really really uh really focused during that time and um and i and a lot of the things they posted things that i've written like i'll write scrolls and then they'll use those pieces on social media so the other thing is to the audiobook is being released and um i'll get that guys to send you your code it's nearly i think it's nearly um finished it has all of the teachers voices wow that's cool i i always read my books and it's and we produced it because i have a production company so um and it's amazing it's abs it's like a whole new level of audio books so if people don't read you know as i know a lot of people don't read then the audiobook is absolutely amazing is this on audible.com or is this just on your website yeah yeah it is yeah it's going to be everywhere yeah on audible as well yeah i'm very excited for this uh i want to before i ask you the final question i've got one final question right now i want to acknowledge i want to acknowledge you for a moment because you are an incredible gift and you have this joyful energy this childlike energy that continually is curious to find answers for your life and then you're so giving in what you learned that you create it and you package it in a way that is beautiful that is easy to consume in a complex idea type of world so i want to acknowledge you for constantly showing up even when you don't have to do anything you created the secret you you made it in a lot of people's mind but you keep showing up to add value to the world and for me i'm really grateful that you are here uh and constantly showing up so i acknowledge you for that thank you so much thank you of course and i hope we can connect in the future sometime i do too both in california so hopefully we'll oh yeah get to say hi and yeah and give you a hug sometime when i can uh my final question for you and again i want to make sure people get the book they follow you on social media we'll have all this linked up uh but my final question is what's your definition of greatness well who we really are that's my definition of actually that's the only greatness there is well so i would say any greatness that we see in the world is the greatness of the infinite being that we are i would say that absolutely categorically there can be no other greatness than the greatness of the infinite being manifesting through all people i yeah think everybody is filled with greatness they just need to realize that yeah rhonda byrne the greatest secret thank you so much for being here i appreciate it i loved it thank you very much if you want to learn more about how to master your mind check out this next video right here we're all faced with great opportunities brilliantly disguised as impossible situations and we are at that point that nexus point in our evolution as a species so then you don't try to fix that that's never going to work what you do

Channel: Lewis Howes

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Length: 81min 34sec (4894 seconds)

Published: Fri Nov 27 2020