My mom's house now is
a garbage disposal. Have your children
been awful people? I have given up my
life to raise them. You resent that? She can accept this help
or die a lonely old lady. You're chasing all
your help away, mama. Good. This is my mom's rock bottom. We've got about
2,000 containers. Take it. Mama, please
don't be like that. And I don't
wanna deal with it. She will be buried
in this house. [theme music playing] My name is Wilma. I am a collector. I have several collections
that I've never been able to sort
out or straighten up. Most of it is crafts, a lot
of books that were my father's and some that were my
grandfather's, perfectly good nice looking clothes. I'm Dean, and Wilma is my mom. I moved out here to help
her get her life in order. The house is like worse than
the Addams family's house. The cobwebs hanging
everywhere in the house. There's no way to
move through the house without knocking something over. It's a landslide
everywhere you go. I'm Carol, and
Wilma is my mother. The house is just
a sea of chaos. There's smelly stuff that's
piled and piled and piled deep. My name is Ben, and
Wilma is my mother. My mom's house now is almost
like a garbage disposal. It's just filthy. It's unlivable. It's unsafe. It's unhealthy. DEAN: Just structurally,
it looks like it's about to cave in any moment. Termites have really got into it
and ate a lot of the wood out. That's everything can get in
the house like cats and dogs and large vermin, possums. My name is Beau Weathers,
and I'm a city code enforcement officer. We were alerted by her
neighbors several times over the last few
years, had some complaints, some of the outer
conditions of her property. WILMA: Code enforcement came
and talked to me about the yard initially. And they came in, and they
said the floor was soft. If you didn't know
where to step, you could have gotten hurt. BEAU WEATHERS: So we obtained
a warrant, served it. We sent the letter to Wilma
advising her that we were, in fact, condemning her home. I wasn't given the criteria. They just put a notice
that it was condemned. DEAN: The house
is one giant pile. I couldn't see over it. I mean, I was probably a little
taller than the doorknob, and it was 4 feet, 5 feet high. I can remember the tunnels that
we dug through the basement, just all the stuff stacked. We just played in it. BEN: Kitchen was really
dirty, and there was not food in the house. My brother and I and my
sister took care of each other and helped each other
the best we could. I really didn't understand
that that wasn't normal. CAROL: We didn't
want to be there. Just seemed so hopeless. Just to be there felt hopeless. DEAN: I was scared of the house. I was scared of her. I used to pray to God every time
I was coming down the street that she wasn't home. Yeah, I've witnessed
my brother being chained to the bed to
teach him a lesson. WILMA: Dean, he was
very hard to discipline. Very hard. Took him to the store and I
said, OK, pick out your chain. So he picked it out. She told me it was for
the dog, had me select it. Just took me home
and just chained me up just like it was nothing. And that's had an
everlasting effect on him. There's no feeling. She didn't say nothing. She just did it. The other two children
were in the house. Well, he was not alone. He was not, you know,
chained there alone. And he was not in the
basement or anything. He was in his room. But he could get
to the bathroom. He could get around. DEAN: I mean, a lot of
people in the neighborhood knew I was chained to my bed. I mean, now that I'm
grown up, I can't believe nobody said nothing. CAROL: The whole thing was
just due to the chronic neglect and periodic abuse,
and a lot of it was the condition of the house. Was unsanitary
living conditions. No one took care of anything. WILMA: I had a back injury,
and I couldn't physically take care of them at that time. So when Family Services
took them from the home, it did not bother me that much. BEN: My grandmother's house
was just a happy place for us. CAROL: Me and Ben and Dean
all spent all of our holidays there at that house and summers
and Christmas and Thanksgiving, Easter. BEN: It was immaculate. It was totally the opposite
of the way it is now. It's almost unbearable
to go in the house now. I can't imagine
driving down that road and not being able to
turn in that driveway and not-- you know, granny's
house just not being there. Whether we can go
in or not, you know, there's a chance it just
might not never be there. And I guess that scares
us more than anything. I'm Nora. And I'm a retired
school teacher. I have an infinite
number of containers. I can't keep count. I really like things organized,
and I just keep buying containers now to do that with. I have lots of things for
cooking and scrapbooking and crafting, things
I used at school. I have an addiction to books. I guess it's better to be
addicted to books than some of the other things. In fact, it's-- but it's
an addiction in itself. I'm Jennifer, and
I'm Nora's daughter. My mom has thousands of
containers in her house and in her storage building. I have seen the
stacks get higher. I've seen less of a path. There's no room to do anything. You can't even think
when you're in there. All you want to do is just
turn around and walk away. Our relationship has become very
very strained over the years. When I try to clean
things out, she wants to go through everything. She has to go through the box. It's always on her terms, what
she's willing to let go of. Mothers and daughters have a
lot of disagreements sometimes, but we've had more
than our share. JENNIFER: She tells
me all the time that when we argue that
that's when she goes shopping. So that puts a lot
of pressure on me that it's all me, that it's my
fault that she goes shopping. NORA: I never had as
much stuff as I have now, but I've never been
financially where I am. If I lost my house,
it would be bad. That would feel awful. I don't sleep at night,
and that's the main reason. She has already had some
situations where she did not know how she was going to
pay her mortgage because she continued to go
out there and shop. ROBOCALL: Call from [inaudible]. I'm Sandra, and I'm
Nora's sister-in-law. If Nora were to lose her home
because she can't turn around her life, I don't know what
would happen because Jennifer does not have room for her and
there is just nowhere for her to go. JENNIFER: When I was growing up,
my mother's home was spotless. Knowing that her house
used to be very clean and it's gone from that to
this disorder is very hard. In January of 1997, my
grandmother passed away. In November of '97, I moved out
and moved into an apartment. In December of 1997,
my father passed away. And at that point, things were
totally different with her. NORA: I lost my three
best friends, my mother and Jim and Jennifer. It was just hard to lose
them all at the same time. I didn't take time I guess
to grieve so shopping a lot because I didn't want to
be home at night much. I'm not scared to
be home at night. It just got very lonely. So you make friends with
the people in the store. I knew the stores that
stayed open all night. I get good bargains, and
when I get good bargains, I want to buy one for
everybody I know, you know. JENNIFER: The shopping is just
as bad as a alcoholic or a drug addict or anything like that
because she's wasting her life away. And you can't get
through to her. My mom lost a job not long
after my father had passed away because she was a teacher. She went shopping
during school hours. NORA: Unfortunately, I
was gone most of the day, and while I was gone,
a child got hurt. And she was not
there and therefore got fired the very next day. SANDRA: Things have rather
snowballed on her to the extent that she really doesn't know
what to do to help herself. JENNIFER: If my mother
does not get the help and address the hoarding
and the compulsive shopping and the over organizing,
then this is the last straw. Our relationship will just
become more strained and more distant. I love her. I love her to death, and I
would do anything to help her. But at this point, I
just don't think I can. BEN: As much as I
hate to admit it, I think the house is probably
going to be destroyed. So she can either
accept this help now or die a lonely old lady. WILMA: Hi. Hi, Wilma.
WILMA: Yes. Dr. David Tolin. Glad to meet you. Nice to meet you. I'm Dr. David Tolin. I'm a psychologist and an
expert in hoarding disorder. Tell me the story here. What happened? WILMA: I moved in to the house
on top of the things that were already hear from my mother. My first impressions of
Wilma are that she rejects even a hint that she might be at
least somewhat responsible for the condition of her home. Then my son comes in on
top of everything else. She's very, very
quick to blame others. Didn't help matters a bit. So I guess what I really
want to understand is why. Why have so many things
come into this house, and why are so few
things leaving the house? When you're working 60
hours, 70 hours a week, it's kind of hard to do anything
with things that are here. How much are you working now? About 29, 30 hours a week. So it's not 60,
70 hours a week now? It was 14 years ago. None of her answers really
make a whole lot of sense. They're all about things that
happened years and years ago. Part of what's going on is that
Wilma is in tremendous denial. This wall appears
to be coming down. There was termite damage
before I moved here. She's kind of got an
answer for everything. WILMA: I was not aware of
the extent of the damage until after I moved in. DAVID TOLIN: Wilma's pointing
these holes out to me, but she doesn't seem
particularly concerned about them. Where I think there used to
be a wall, what you've got is a tarp. Do you feel like you're in
danger being in this house? No because it's
the outside wall. It's the inside walls are firm. DAVID TOLIN: I'm just wondering
if this came down right now, this would all come down
on top of us, wouldn't it? But this is new lumber. DAVID TOLIN: It's
like she doesn't fully grasp how significant
that is that that is a sign that the
house is very dangerous. Where are we? WILMA: You're in the hallway. DAVID TOLIN: This is the
bed that's under here. Is that right.
WILMA: Yes. DAVID TOLIN: The bedroom
is a complete fire trap. There's no room for
anybody to even stand in. You don't sleep here now right? Not right now. No. Where do you sleep? Wherever. Wherever? She sleeps on this little
nest that she's made down at the foot of the bed
because the bed is piled high with clothes and garbage
and who knows what else. What would happen if you
couldn't be in this house anymore? I would have to find
some place else to go. Where would you go? If I have to put a tent
in the yard, I can do that. DAVID TOLIN: You've got these
two very poorly functioning adults, Wilma and Dean,
making each other miserable, and yet neither of them
can break out of it because neither one
knows any better. It looks like this
story is not going to have a fairy tale ending. JENNIFER: My mom is
wasting her life away, and you can't get
through to her. This is my mom's rock bottom. Hi. Hi, Nora? Yes.
Dr. Zasio. - It's nice to meet you.
- It's nice to meet you as well. - Come on in please.
- Well, thank you. Thank you for having me. My name is Dr. Robin Zasio. I'm a licensed
clinical psychologist, and I specialize in
compulsive hoarding and OCD. OK, so, Nora, tell
me what we have here. You've got a lot of stuff.
- I do. There's a bit of a sense that
you're a container hoarder. - I am.
- Really? Yeah. And along with
books and other stuff. - Containers and books.
- OK. Nora's home is one of the
most unusual hoarded homes I have ever seen. When you walk in,
you see container after container filled with
stuff, brand new stuff, books, clothes, projects to be done. Let's talk about the
idea of addiction. You mentioned books
are your addiction. Yes, they are. I'm betting by looking
around that perhaps shopping in general is an
addiction for you. Yes.
ROBIN ZASIO: OK. So talk to me a little bit
about your relationship with your daughter. How is your stuff interfering
with your relationship? She's said that she's not
coming any more if she-- if I can't clean up. OK, how does
that make you feel? It makes me feel bad 'cause
she has three children. Some of the things she'd like
for me to do with her children, I did with her. I didn't realize how
important they were to her. I buy them all this
stuff that I can't use. I can't find it when
it's the right time, or I get buried in it. Well, your stuff has become
very much a lifestyle for you. You're just sorting and churning
and doing the same thing that's not getting you
anywhere every day. And I work from the time I
get up in the morning sometimes 'til 2:00 in the morning.
ROBIN ZASIO: Right. Nora is so focused on
her stuff and monitoring that that she can't even
attend to what she's saying is most important, which
is getting her family back. What percentage of stuff do
you think in your house needs to go whether it be donated,
recycled, given away whatever it is, what percentage
are you envisioning? I don't know. It might be 50% or more. ROBIN ZASIO: I'm
really concerned about these next couple days. I'm not sure as she begins
to get rid of her stuff that she's going to be able to
manage the emotions that come up. She's going to have to do it
because we are in a crisis situation at this point. But I'm going to have to
work very closely with her so that we can work through
those feelings as they surface. - Good morning, everybody.
- Morning. Morning. My name is Cory Chalmers, and
I'm an extreme hoarding cleanup specialist. Wilma is facing an
extremely serious crisis. And this is really
your only chance to make this house at
least presentable to them to even come in and do a
final inspection on it. So you guys ready to do this?
- Let's do it. - Absolutely.
- All right, let's get started. All right. [hammering] We have an opening at least. All right, let's see
what we got here. WILMA: My angel, we're
going to keep that. How did you reach the
decision to keep it? Because I usually
keep my angels. DAVID TOLIN: I'm wondering how
much sense it makes for you to hang on to symbols, the
things that you just can't-- Because that one I will
go out and buy again if you don't [inaudible]. And I feel invaded when people
tell me that I cannot have-- What's this about? Controlling my own life. Control. That's a big issue
for you, isn't it? My life. DAVID TOLIN: Wilma's
very reactive to people taking control of her
things to the extent where she's almost paranoid. Every time anybody even
touches something-- CAROL: Here's a whole box. It looks contaminated to me. WILMA: I can't see that far. I cannot see that far. Can you trust what
I'm telling you? I would rather you put it
over here and let me look. CAROL: Are you saying
you don't trust me? If that's the way you
want to interpret it, yes. I'm asking you. Can I just hold stuff up for
you to look at and go yes or no? What about this? Put it over there for a minute
and let me think about that. I asked you while
ago to just let me-- No, while ago, you
said you couldn't see it. That's not what you did. You didn't ask me to
put it over there. I still can't see it. Let's make a decision. It's not going
to help right now. We need to make a decision. I need you-- In there. OK, I'm going to
walk off for a minute. I need a minute. Good. DEAN: [inaudible] stuffed
animals with this trash under. Rat [bleep],, it's all caked
in, ruined, ruined, ruined. This one I keep for a pattern. Well, you can't take you
with you when you die, Wilma. Unless you wanna leave
us with all this [bleep].. WILMA: Nope. I'm not gonna leave
y'all anything. DEAN: I can't take it. I just-- it infuriates me. She said wrap it. [bleep] trash. [bleep] DAVID TOLIN: Wilma is so
consumed with her own anger, her own resentment of
everybody and everything that she's lost the ability
to look at things objectively. Wilma, I think
what's happening is you're lashing out at people. Sometimes people are
mean to me, I'll lash back. DAVID TOLIN: Your
children must have been such a terrible
disappointment to you-- Yes. DAVID TOLIN: For you to have
so much contempt toward them. Is that what we're dealing with? Probably are. Have your children
just been awful people? WILMA: Sometimes they are
when they're dealing with me. DAVID TOLIN: And they've
just been a disappointment-- WILMA: And I have given
up my life, what I wanted to do in my life to raise them. DAVID TOLIN: You resent them? WILMA: That's
probably about right. DAVID TOLIN: Can you even allow
yourself to be loved by them? WILMA: Probably not. DAVID TOLIN: Maybe you just
want to cut them loose? Sometimes I think that
would be best for everybody. DAVID TOLIN: You
see your son crying? What does that do to you? Do you even care? Why are you guys here? Why are they here, Wilma? Tell me why your
children are here? If they hate you so
much, why are they here? Because I tell you what, I
would've left a long time ago. You're pissing me off, and
I'm not even related to you. CAROL: Is he in the car? My heart is breaking
for Wilma's kids. [ben crying] No child should ever have to
hear that their mother doesn't love them. Nora's situation's a
little more complicated than many of the hoarders
that I work with. She is dealing with
compulsive hoarding. She's dealing with
grief and loss, and she is a compulsive shopper. That is a huge mixture for
her to be dealing with. Good morning, everybody. Good morning. I'm Dorothy Brieninger. I'm a professional
organizing expert, and I specialize in hoarding. This is a very special day and
a very unique day for sure. We've got about 2,000
containers in the house and in the driveway. You're going to have
thousands and thousands of tough decisions to make. But ultimately, Dorothy and
I are a team to remind you it's either your
family or your stuff. Your face is worth a
thousand words right now. Talk to me. JENNIFER: It's
just been so long. I'm ready to have her back. I want her to be a
part of my kids' life. We're in a crisis situation. You've lost a lot of money. Your daughter is
standing next to you saying I can't do
this anymore, right. We've got to stay
focused, and I think we'll have success if we do.
OK. Yes. Let's get the day started
with some energy, all right. [applause] Thank you for
sending these people. I would like for you to
just go through this first box and tell me what you think. NORA: I know that
most of the books I want and some I
may give away later, some are for
Jennifer's children. ROBIN ZASIO: But later
is now unfortunately. These are mostly just
really good books for school. And this is all
stuff you're keeping? Yes. These are cookbooks. Let me take your cookbooks. These keep?
- Thank you-- yes. And this is all stuff
you're saving here, too. - Yes.
- And this? - Yes.
- And this as well. And what about this stuff here? Yes. This stack right here, is this
all stuff that you're keeping or have you been through this? I'm keeping all of this. I count 1, 2, 6 items that
you've given away so far. I'm wondering what
we're going to do. Your daughter is right here, and
she's worried about something. We're going to have
to let it go, mama. But you have got
so many magazines-- Yes, I know. This is what it's doing to me. I don't want you
to be upset, and I don't want you to give up. Mama, please don't be like that. NORA: I'm-- I just-- Nora has an incredibly
difficult time with mood regulation. She's either happy,
or she's angry. And when she gets angry
because she can't tolerate those feelings, because
they're uncomfortable for her, she runs and hides. NORA: I am frustrated. And I know you're gonna say
it's all grief coming out. It is not grief. It is my life. One thing about
daddy, daddy would not want you living like this. I don't want-- You can't live, mama. You cannot live like this. You have got to
get the stuff out. OK, well, then let's
get everything out. ROBIN ZASIO: When
we pushed her, which made her feel uncomfortable,
she went to the extreme and then basically said
throw everything away. I'm not going to make a
decision about anything. We're not going
to do anything-- - You know what's important.
- So you're giving up control? - This is what's important.
- I'm giving up control. BEN: I knew this was going
to be tough but geez. I wasn't expecting all this. It's just I have a
relationship with her just to have it, don't like that. I don't know. It feels like a lot of wasted
time, lot of wasted effort. She doesn't love us. She doesn't-- she could
get by without us. She doesn't appreciate our help. She doesn't want to help. She doesn't need our help. DAVID TOLIN: You've got loving
children who want to help, and you spit in their face. Step back from that. Look at yourself. The house is falling apart,
and it looks like this because you have allowed
it to look like this. Take responsibility
for the situation. Stop pointing an angry
finger at your kids. Take responsibility for it all. She's dwelled for so long
on the perceived misdeeds of other people that she now
no longer has the ability to self-reflect and take
responsibility for herself. I can accept the fact that I
should have never had children. I should have done
what I had wanted to do and that would have not
been involving anybody else. [crashing] DEAN: I have heard enough
already, hell, to be honest. Yeah. CORY CHALMERS: It's almost
the end of the first day, and we've gotten about
five feet into the house. The only way we're
going to be successful tomorrow in clearing
the majority of stuff out of this house is if
she lets go of control and lets other people
make decisions for her. WILMA: Are you listening to me? One time. These were cleaned
last Thursday. It's not an issue of
whether they're clean. It's an issue of how much
we can deal with before, what, 5:00 today. We need to get four
rooms cleaned out. That's the issue, OK. I need you to think about that
from that perspective in order for us to get anywhere. I realize you want to sit-- I need you to show me
a little bit of respect. I need-- I need that.
- Really? And is my being here
not enough for you? No. She just says mean, hurtful
things to make her point. Do you want these
things on the floor here is what you're saying? No, that's the wet
stuff in that bag. You need another bag. That's the stuff that's wet. CAROL: The wet stuff
is getting laundered, so can't they be
combined in one bag? No!
No. Put them in a separate bag. Why? Because I asked you to. This is just a question
of just obey me instead of you hearing my logic and
respecting me as a person? Yes. CAROL: It's back to
the control issue. She wants me to
do what she said, and I'm not going to do it. WILMA: Throw that picture that
he just brought in here away. CAROL: Why? Why are you being mean. That's a judgment call. Wait, no, you're being
an ass to me right now. Probably. Definitely. If I'm making a choice,
keep the blue jeans. Really?
That's equal? You gonna keep that
over the picture? I know she wanted to say
that hurtful thing to show me that she's serious. - Well, listen, you--
- Bye. You can finish the
kitchen by yourself. You delegated authority to us. Good luck. DEAN: You're chasing
all your help away, mom. WILMA: Good. NORA: I can't handle anymore. Mama, you're being impulsive,
and you can't be like this in a situation like this. You need to go out there
and look through the boxes and see what you need to keep. This is ridiculous, mama. Jennifer, we've got to give
her the benefit of the doubt. So let's go outside and
let's see what we can do, OK. All right. All right. OK, everybody,
let's get going. I've had these for 30
years, and I use them in my drawers to separate
my underwear and my blouses and stuff.
- Yes. And I would like to keep it. This is stuff we wanted
for scrapbooks and things. These are [inaudible]
they were mine one time. And these are our stamps. So this is a keep box? Yes. All right. The problem is is everything
in your house is usable. OK. I mean, it is. I know, but you
told me you pick out-- But you're not
letting anything go. No, I didn't. And these are very-- I had some-- oh,
goodness gracious. She said it'd be hard.
It is. It is. I'm keeping a lot of this. I don't need to [inaudible]
Just pull it out from here. DOROTHY BRIENINGER:
What I want to do is just demonstrate
to you that you really didn't want everything gone. I did. I'm angry. I don't want to
have to choose this. My house is clean. I want it cleaned, and I
don't want to deal with it. I am so sorry you
brought that out. But you-- you know,
I've been pushed to say, let it go, let it go, let it go. And you weren't the only ones. Other people have, too.
DOROTHY BRIENINGER: Of course. So let it go. We want you to make
decisions about your stuff, but you're not
making any decisions. And every time we try to push
you to do something, you stop. You block us. I'm asking you to trust
us that we are here for you and your best interest
to hold on to what is here for you. She's done everything
but go on her knees and beg you to please
choose her over your stuff, and so far, you're
choosing your stuff. JENNIFER: If she is not
willing to accept that help, then there's nothing
more that I can do. There's nothing
more anybody can do. This is your
stuff, and we want you to make good decisions. Gonna put it upstairs. I need that. I'm gonna use that. JENNIFER: She will be
buried in this house because that's all that
she's going to have. I'm getting Victoria. I'm getting Christmas. I wanted to buy that
southern lady magazine. I'll go back and get it myself. Keep your hands off of
me please right now. - I'm sorry.
- I'm doing this, OK. She's-- she will die alone. We're on day 2, and you
got some sleep last night. NORA: I did. Very good. And I also see even though
you got plenty of sleep that you've got a black eye. You kind of hit-- something
hit you yesterday. Yeah? Well, actually I hit it. Yeah, you hit it. OK. Yesterday, the success
rate wasn't good. We got rid of 16 items. If we started in the living
room, just getting down to work, we could get some
of that momentum going that might bring up a
feeling of success for you. Yes. DOROTHY BRIENINGER: That
could get us rolling. Yes. DOROTHY BRIENINGER: What
do you think of that? I think that's a great idea. You know what, rather
than take all these supplies out that's going to be donated,
why don't we just keep it in a box and let them go. Now, Nora, what's going on? DOROTHY BRIENINGER:
Wait a second. Wait a second. I'm giving away, not
organizing, giving away. ROBIN ZASIO: Right. I love to give away. You want to give to
people because you're a very generous person. At this point, isn't it
the most important thing that you just give it to
somebody who can use it? Have lots of friends and lots
of schools I can give them to. Right. And we have a donation truck
ready to go to take them to-- Take it. Everybody here has been
nothing but kind to you. I know it. And you are being
so ugly and rude, and it is embarrassing me. I cannot stand by and watch
you continue to do this to the people that are trying
their hardest to help you and the people that love you. I have given you
the best of my life, but I will not continue
to let you hurt me the way that you're doing
today or yesterday. I have shed more tears
in the past two days than I have ever shed
in my whole life, and I will not
continue to do it. The house is not big
enough for everything that is currently in it. I know, and I'm
trying to take away. But somebody wants me
to take all of it away. No, nobody wants you
to take it all away. You have got to get
it through your head. I think that's a
waste of time, Sandra. Please, I know they're leaving,
and I want them to get done as much as they can because I want
the house as clean as it can Be, But I don't want this. DOROTHY BRIENINGER:
When I got here, I thought we had
2,000 containers. Turns out there were 3,000. Out of the 3,000 containers
that were on the property, we got rid of 15 boxes going to
charity, five boxes of trash, and five bags of trash. That's it. ROBIN ZASIO: Nora did
not develop any insight into her problem. We made very little
progress, and I'm really worried about her prognosis. I'm not convinced that she
will actually follow through with therapy. And if that's the case,
I think eventually she could lose everyone she loves. My mom definitely let
me down because I thought this was a new
beginning, a new chance, a chance for my children
to have a grandmother and for me to have a mom again. She's not the same
person, and at this point, I don't think that she ever
will be the same person. I think that she's
happy with what she has, and I think that that's the
way I will find her one day is in her stuff. DEAN: You're chasing
all your help away, mom. WILMA: Good. Why? We're trying to help you.
We're trying to work with you. I mean, it's-- look
at that stuff, mom. Just to stop for
second and look. It's got to be-- it's
got to be washed, stain removed, and then you're
going to make a quilt with it for [bleep]. WILMA: Yeah, so [inaudible]
some of these will [inaudible] No, they're not mom. No, you have not
wore any of this. It's unrealistic for
Carol, Ben and Dean to expect that Wilma is going to
show them any kind of affection or appreciation. I don't think she's
capable of doing it. Right now, you are
so busy being angry and so busy feeling like a
victim, that you're not working with the team. You're chasing away your team. And sometimes I think
that's not a bad thing. Well, how about this
box of books here? WILMA: Those are OK to donate. CORY CHALMERS: These are donate?
OK. Can I get a guy-- junk
guy to take this box to the donate pile up front? Dean said throw this away. Is that right? I won't get any
lamps at this at all if he throws all
of my lamps away. CORY CHALMERS: He's not
throwing all your lamps away. He's throwing the
one in his room away. Listen very carefully. The front part of
that was Dean's. The back part is not Dean's,
and it's never Dean's. CORY CHALMERS: I don't know
what part of the bedroom it came from, so please
don't yell at me. All I know is Dean
said throw it away. "Reader's Digest,"
[inaudible] and parenthood. Sure does need it. Look at the gap on
those boards there. This whole wall's going out, so
it's not resting on anything. And all the wood underneath
here is completely rotted out. We removed three dump
trucks full of trash. The house is still
probably 60%, 70% full, and we've unraveled the
severe damage to it. There's just nothing left. They're just falling
apart all from the load of all this stuff. This is a no win
situation for him. This house is uninhabitable. Reality is that they
gonna tear it down. I mean, over, done. Not a bright outlook
for the future. If I pushed on this
wall, it would go down. Look. That would come
down on top of us. We'd be messed up. DAVID TOLIN: Wilma
would rather be homeless than live with her kids. WILMA: I have never
wanted to live with them. I don't want them
living with me. I'd rather be
elsewhere by myself. DAVID TOLIN: I don't know why
her kids haven't written her off, but they haven't. And I think that says
something powerful about them. But I don't know if
they're ever going to have a normal
relationship with Wilma. I guess I've got to come
to terms that I'll never have that affection
or love from her. You know, I've always wanted,
and I never gave up hope on it. And now, you know, I'm at
that point, and that hurts. It really hurts. [music playing]
