>> IF YOU HADN'T SET THAT PANIC BUTTON, YOU'D BE DEAD. >> I'M ABOUT TO LOSE MY HUSBAND AND MY CHILDREN. >> WHEN I'M SLEEPING ON MY BED, I FIND BUGS AND STUFF. >> UGH! >> I DIDN'T KNOW THE CAT WAS IN THERE. >> JUST LEAVE ME ALONE. [ KNOCK ON DOOR ] >> HI, NADENE. >> I DIDN'T WANT THIS TO GET LIKE THIS AGAIN. >> A LOT OF WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE MAY BE REMINISCENT. >> NADENE, WE'VE GOT HAMBURGER MEAT ON THE GROUND THERE. >> OH, IT IS? >> IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN LAST TIME I SAW YOU. >> OH, MY GOODNESS! >> THERE WERE QUITE A FEW PEOPLE WHO THOUGHT THAT I WAS A VILLAIN, I WAS A HORRIBLE PERSON. >> DO YOU EVER THROW ANYTHING AWAY? >> NO. --<font color="#FFFF00"> Captions by VITAC --</font><font color="#00FFFF">
www.vitac.com</font> [ BIRDS CHIRPING ] [ BREATHING HEAVILY ] HOW HAVE I CHANGED? [ GASPING ] WELL, I TRY PICKING UP THINGS EVERY NOW AND THEN. AM I TRYING? YEAH, I GUESS I COULD TRY HARDER. >> I'M AUGUSTINE. I'M 68. OUCH. I USED TO BE NEAT AND ORDERLY... BUT NOT ANYMORE. >> I'M JASON. I'M 28 YEARS OLD. I'M AUGUSTINE'S SON. I DON'T HAVE ANY MEMORIES OF MY MOTHER'S HOUSE BEING CLEAN. THE INSIDE OF THE HOUSE STANK, AND SO I STANK, MY CLOTHES STANK. AND I GOT PICKED ON A LOT FOR THAT IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. MY MOTHER CHOSE GARBAGE OVER BEING ABLE TO RAISE HER SON. >> MY NAME IS SUSAN, AND I AM AUGUSTINE'S DAUGHTER. MOM CAME TO ME ONE DAY AND ASKED IF JASON COULD STAY WITH ME FOR A FEW DAYS. AND HE LIVED WITH ME FOR 10 YEARS. [ KNOCK ON DOOR ] >> HI, AUGUSTINE. >> HI. COME ON IN. >> IT'S SUZANNE. I'M SUZANNE CHABAUD. I'M A CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST, AND I SPECIALIZE IN OBSESSIVE-COMPULSIVE DISORDERS. SHOW ME AROUND A LITTLE BIT AND TELL ME WHAT YOU HAVE HERE. >> WELL, THIS IS MY CHEST OF DRAWERS, WHICH BELONGS IN MY BEDROOM. SUSAN BORROWED IT, AND WHEN SHE BROUGHT IT BACK, THAT'S WHERE SHE LEFT IT. >> OH, BOY. AUGUSTINE DOES BLAME PEOPLE. AND WHEN YOU HAVE A PERSON WHO EXTERNALIZES RESPONSIBILITY, THEN SHE'S NOT GONNA REALLY SEE WHY SHE REALLY HAS TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. YOU TELL ME THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH THE TOILET? >> NO, I DIDN'T HAVE ANY WATER. >> NO WATER FOR HOW LONG? >> SIX YEARS. >> SIX YEARS? >> I DIDN'T HAVE NO MONEY FOR THE PLUMBER. HER TEETH ARE SOMEWHERE, OKAY? AUGUSTINE'S TEETH -- THERE ARE ACTUALLY<i> TWO</i> SETS OF TEETH IN HERE -- BUT ONE OF THEM, SHE KNOWS OF FOR SURE, AND IT'S BY THE RECLINING CHAIR. >> [ BREATHING HEAVILY ] WHEN I'M BREATHING LIKE THIS, YOU YELL AT ME, "STOP MAKING THAT NOISE!" I CAN'T HELP IT. I HAVE ASTHMA. >> 'CAUSE YOU MAKE THAT NOISE ALL THE TIME. >> BECAUSE I CAN'T HELP IT. >> BECAUSE YOU'RE A DRAMA QUEEN! >> YOU KNOW WHAT THEY JUST FOUND IN THERE? >> WHAT? >> A CAT. >> A CAT? >> SO, HOW DO -- JASON, WHAT WOULD BE YOUR THOUGHT OF HOW THIS DIED? >> OH, GOOD GOD. >> HOW WOULD THIS... >> COULDN'T HAZARD A GUESS. HOW DID IT -- HOW DID IT GO UNNOTICED, IS THE QUESTION. >> I DIDN'T KNOW THE CAT WAS IN THERE. >> NO, OF COURSE YOU DIDN'T. >> DO YOU THINK THAT'S A COMMON EVENT, THAT PEOPLE HAVE DEAD CATS IN THEIR HOUSES? >> NO. >> UGH! [ ALL GROAN ] >> OKAY! >> THEY'VE CLEANED OUT JUST ABOUT EVERY ROOM. IT ACTUALLY SMELLS GOOD IN THERE RIGHT NOW. [ CHUCKLES ] IT'S AMAZING! >> I'M AFRAID I'M GONNA CRY. [ Voice breaking ] IT'S NICE TO HAVE SOMEBODY TO CARE FOR YOU, TO HELP YOU WHEN YOU NEED HELP... 'CAUSE I SURE COULDN'T DO IT BY MYSELF. >> AFTER THE CLEANUP... I DIDN'T HANG AROUND VERY LONG, NEITHER JASON OR I. >> PRETTY MUCH IMMEDIATELY AFTERWARDS, SHE STARTED COLLECTING THINGS AND TAKING THINGS OUT AND NOT PUTTING THEM AWAY. >> I WAS MAD AT SUSAN 'CAUSE SHE THREW EVERYTHING AWAY. LIKE, I HAD TWO SILK FLOWERS THAT COST ME ABOUT $35 FOR THE TWO OF THEM. SHE THREW THEM AWAY. [ BIRDS CHIRPING ] >> HELLO, AUGUSTINE. DO YOU REMEMBER ME? >> YEAH, DR. SUZANNE. [ BREATHING HEAVILY ] >> OKAY. AUGUSTINE, YOU'RE WINDED, HUH? WHAT'S GOING ON? >> I HAVE TROUBLE BREATHING. DOCTOR SAYS NOTHING'S WRONG WITH ME. >> UH-HUH. I DID NOT KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT. I DIDN'T KNOW IF SHE WOULD WANT TO SEE ME OR BE UPSET WITH ME BECAUSE SHE HASN'T SEEN ME IN A WHILE. >> GOOD TO SEE YOU. >> NICE TO SEE YOU, TOO. >> YOU REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS LIKE WHEN WE LEFT. >> YES. >> WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT HOW IT IS RIGHT NOW? >> IT'S BETTER THAN IT WAS, BUT IT'S SLOWLY GETTING BACK TO WHERE IT WAS. >> LET'S GO IN THE BATHROOM HERE. YOU REMEMBER WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE BEFORE? >> YES, I DO. A NEW TOILET WAS PUT IN HERE. NOW, AS YOU CAN SEE... IT DOESN'T GET CLEANED. >> IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S SOME -- SOME FECES ON THE FLOOR RIGHT THERE. >> YEAH. AND YOU KNOW WHAT? THAT'S BEEN HERE FOR MONTHS. >> MM-HMM. >> THE GROCERIES ARE ON THE FLOOR, ON THE TABLE. THEY JUST -- THEY'RE THERE INSTEAD OF PUTTING THEM AWAY. >> FOR ABOUT SIX MONTHS, I VISITED AUGUSTINE. I GAVE HER SMALL ASSIGNMENTS FOR HER TO COMPLETE. SHE DIDN'T DO THEM. EVERY TIME I WOULD COME, SHE HAD ANOTHER EXCUSE. SHE NEEDS MORE THAN ME. SHE NEEDS MORE THAN SUSAN. SHE NEEDS A LOT MORE. >> [ BREATHING HEAVILY ] >> OKAY, NOW, THE LAST TIME I LEFT, YOUR TABLE WAS CLEAR. DID YOU COME BY, SUSAN, EVER WHEN THE TABLE WAS CLEARED? >> YEAH, AND WE ACTUALLY SAT TOGETHER AT THE TABLE. >> WHAT FELT GOOD ABOUT THAT FOR YOU? >> JUST THE FACT THAT I COULD SIT DOWN AND TALK TO MY MAMA IN HER HOUSE. >> IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU REALLY WANTED, WAS TO HAVE A CLEAR TABLE? >> WELL, I DIDN'T WANT THIS TO GET LIKE THIS AGAIN. >> PICK UP ONE OR TWO THINGS. WHY CAN'T YOU DO THAT? >> I DON'T KNOW. >> THAT'S -- I THINK THAT'S AN HONEST ANSWER. DO YOU EVER THROW ANYTHING AWAY? >> NO. >> IS THAT GOOD MEDICINE RIGHT THERE, AUGUSTINE? >> SOME OF IT. >> UH-HUH. AND DO YOU SEPARATE THE GOOD FROM THE BAD MEDICINE? >> THAT'S A ROTTEN PEAR. >> THAT'S A PEAR?! >> THAT'S A PEAR. >> WHY DID YOU LEAVE IT RIGHT THERE? >> I FORGOT IT. >> THE ONLY THING CLEAR TO ME... IS THAT MY MOTHER WILL NEVER CHANGE. SHE'S ALWAYS GOT TO PUT BLAME SOMEWHERE ELSE. >> WHEN I HAD THAT BIG POT, I ASKED YOU, WOULD TAKE IT OUT FOR ME BECAUSE I JUST HAD THE BACK SURGERY, AND YOU SAID, "NO!" >> ALL SHE THINKS ABOUT IS ALL THE NEGATIVE THINGS, AND EVERYTHING THAT UPSETS HER, SHE'LL THINK OF NOTHING THAT PEOPLE DO GOOD FOR HER. >> CAN YOU NAME ONE GOOD THING THAT YOUR DAUGHTER HAS DONE FOR YOU AND SAY, "I'M THANKFUL FOR THAT"? >> I CAN'T THINK OF ANYTHING. >> OF COURSE NOT. >> CAN YOU THINK OF ONE THING? >> YEAH, HOW ABOUT RAISING YOUR SON? >> MY POOR SISTER IS JUST STILL -- SHE'S GOT THIS BURDEN OF TAKING CARE OF MY MOTHER. IT'S NOT REALLY HER PROBLEM. MY MOTHER'S DONE THIS TO HERSELF. AND, YEAH, YOU HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO YOUR PARENTS, BUT THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH YOU CAN DO. >> SUSAN DOESN'T EXPECT THAT YOU'LL EVER THANK HER FOR THE THINGS SHE'S DONE FOR YOU. >> I DON'T THANK HER FOR THROWING AWAY MY SILK FLOWER THAT SHE SAID WAS DIRTY. >> OH, GOSH. >> YOU KEEP THROWING AWAY SUSAN'S LOVE. YOU KEEP THROWING AWAY THE THINGS SHE'S DONE FOR YOU. YOU THROW IT AWAY EVERY TIME YOU BLAME HER. >> WELL, SOMETIMES I BLAME HER BECAUSE IT'S TRUE. >> OKAY. THAT'S THE END...FOR YOU. >> I STILL LOVE HER. >> DID YOU HEAR WHAT SUSAN SAID? >> NO. >> EVEN THOUGH YOU -- >> I SAID I STILL LOVE YOU. >> DO YOU THINK SUSAN LOVES YOU? >> I DON'T KNOW. >> OKAY, WELL, THAT'S IT. THAT'S IT. IT'S JUST -- THAT'S IT. THAT'S IT. >> THANK YOU. >> [ BREATHING HEAVILY ] I TOLD HER THANK YOU WHEN SHE CLEANED UP IN HERE... >> LET'S GO. >> ...SO I COULD GET MY NEW APPLIANCE IN. [ BREATHING HEAVILY ] >> I'VE LEARNED A LOT OF THINGS FROM DOING THIS SHOW. I LEARNED THAT I -- I HAD SOME HOARDING TENDENCIES. AND THERE WERE REMEDIES FOR THINGS LIKE THAT... AND KNOWLEDGE THAT I COULD USE. >> MY NAME IS BOB. I'M 62 YEARS OLD. WHEN WE FIRST MOVED IN HERE 29 YEARS AGO, ACTUALLY, YOU COULD WALK AROUND, YOU COULD DO THINGS. THINGS WERE PRETTY WELL PICKED UP. AND THEN, HAVING THE FOUR KIDS, THINGS JUST KEPT KIND OF BUILDING UP. >> I'M BETSY, AND BOB IS MY HUSBAND. I GUESS YOU KIND OF ADAPT. AND YOU KIND OF GET USED TO THE CLUTTER AROUND THE HOUSE, AND YOU WALK AROUND IT OR WALK OVER IT. >> WE SAID, "OKAY, WE'RE THE DINNER MEAL, BUT IF WE REMOVE OURSELVES FROM THAT, YOU KNOW, CAN WE STARVE THEM OUT OR WHAT?" AND SO WE SET UP THE TENT IN THE YARD. >> WE CAN'T REALLY GO TO BED HERE. I ALREADY GOT BITTEN BY A TICK ONCE, BUT NOT A LYME-DISEASE ONE. >> IT MAKES ME VERY FRUSTRATED THAT HE FEELS OKAY TO DO WHAT WE'RE DOING. IT'S NOT NORMAL TO NOT BE ABLE TO SLEEP IN YOUR OWN HOME, IN YOUR OWN BEDS. IF YOU WANT TO GET THE EXTERMINATORS IN HERE AND GET YOUR KIDS BACK IN THE HOUSE, WE REALLY HAVE TO CRACK THE WHIP ON YOU TODAY. I'M GERALIN THOMAS, AND I'M A CERTIFIED PROFESSIONAL ORGANIZER. I REALLY THINK WE NEED TO KEEP PUTTING HIS CHILDREN'S HEALTH AND SAFETY AND HIS MARRIAGE IN FRONT OF HIM. BOB, I WANT YOU TO STOP FOR TWO SECONDS AND LOOK AT ALL THESE COOTIES. NOT HEALTHY. THIS IS HORRIBLE FOR YOUR CHILDREN. >> MM-HMM. >> SO, YOU'RE DOING THE RIGHT THING. >> YEAH, AND THEY BASICALLY DON'T COME IN HERE, EITHER, BUT, YEAH. I'M NOT MAKING AN EXCUSE. >> OKAY. >> I WANT THIS ROOM TURNED BACK INTO A DINING ROOM. IT'S PART OF THE WHOLE FAMILY UNIT TO BE ABLE TO COME IN HERE AND SIT AROUND THE TABLE AND TO HAVE THE SPACE TO DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO. AND SO, IT'S GOING TO GET DONE. >> OKAY, JUST CAREFUL OF THE WOOD FLOOR. >> OKAY. >> THOSE HAVE BEEN DONE UP. >> WHEN YOU'RE TELLING THEM TO BE CAREFUL OF THE WOODEN FLOOR... >> YEAH. >> ...WHAT DOES THIS TELL YOU ABOUT BEING CAREFUL OF THE WOODEN FLOOR? >> OH, THE PAPER'S OKAY. IT WAS THE SHOVEL SCRAPING ON THE EDGE. >> BUT THIS IS OKAY? >> WELL... >> IF YOU HAD TO ESTIMATE HOW UNHAPPY THIS ROOM MAKES BETSY, WHAT WOULD YOUR NUMBER BE, ONE TO 10? >> NINE AT LEAST. >> NINE AT LEAST. THIS IS THE PART WHERE I'M GOING TO PUSH A LITTLE HARDER FOR THE DAY. >> HANDSAWS FOR DOWN CELLAR. >> 20 MINUTES IS NOT A LOT OF TIME, BUT YOU ACCOMPLISHED A LOT. >> MM-HMM, OKAY. >> SO, THIS IS -- >> NOW I GOT THE FLOW. RIGHT WITH THAT OTHER BOX. OVER HERE -- EVERYTHING IS GOING. >> THE EXTERMINATOR IS HERE. >> YEP. >> AND NOW WE WILL LEARN WHETHER IT'S BEEN DECLUTTERED ENOUGH TO HAVE TREATMENT FOR THE BEDBUGS. SO, JIM, WHAT WE NEED FROM YOU NOW IS A YES OR NO. DO YOU THINK THIS IS A JOB THAT YOU CAN DO? >> YES, WE CAN EXTERMINATE RIGHT NOW. WE WILL. >> YES! YES! I'M EXHAUSTED. I REALLY AM. MY BODY IS EXHAUSTED, BUT I AM ALSO EXTREMELY EXCITED AND ELATED ABOUT WHAT WAS DONE. >> AFTER THE CREW LEFT, THE FIRST INTERESTING REACTION WAS, "PHEW, WE MADE IT THROUGH THAT." WE DID THAT. WE GOT ALL THE STUFF GONE. WE COULD FIND THINGS THAT WE WERE MAYBE LOOKING FOR. WE HAD SOME SPACE. >> IT WAS VERY EMOTIONAL... FOR ME, BUT IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS MUCH NEEDED. THE STATE THAT WE WERE IN, IT WAS WELL BEYOND OUR RESOURCES. >> HELLO. COME IN. >> THANK YOU. MY FIRST REACTION ARRIVING AT BOB AND BETSY'S HOUSE WAS HAPPINESS. AND THE REASON I SAY THAT IS BECAUSE THE HOUSE WAS EVEN BETTER THAN I EXPECTED IT TO BE. WOW, IT'S COMPLETELY TRANSFORMED -- COMPLETELY. I CANNOT GET OVER THE DIFFERENCE IN HERE. YOU HAVE REALLY BEEN WORKING. BOTH OF YOU, OR...? >> YES, BOTH OF US. >> BOTH OF US. >> I HAVE THE NIGHT SHIFT. I GET TO STAY UP AND WORK MAYBE TILL MIDNIGHT, 1:00 IN THE MORNING SOMETIMES. >> I KNOW THAT HE'S PUT A LOT OF TIME INTO DRY-WALLING AND PAINTING. >> A WILLINGNESS TO PARTICIPATE -- THAT'S REALLY NECESSARY IN ORDER FOR HOARDERS TO KIND OF TURN IT AROUND. I HAVE TO SAY, IT'S SO NICE TO SEE YOU SMILING BECAUSE WHEN I WAS HERE LAST TIME, YOU CRIED A LOT. I GUESS WHAT I'M REALLY HOPING TO SEE SOONER RATHER THAN LATER IS THE DOWNSTAIRS BATHROOM. >> WHAT USED TO BE THE TOOLSHED. >> EXACTLY. OH, MY GOODNESS! WOW! >> TUB'S STILL EMPTY. I MEAN, IT'S A WORK IN PROGRESS STILL. >> THE TUB IS EMPTY, THE FLOOR IS EMPTY. >> IT'S A WORK IN PROGRESS. >> OKAY. >> AND IT'S GETTING DONE. IN A LOT OF AREAS, I BELIEVE I HAVE BECOME MORE ASSERTIVE TO BE ABLE TO KEEP THE HOUSE NOT ONLY AS IT WAS LEFT WHEN "HOARDERS" LEFT BUT TO CONTINUALLY IMPROVE IT. >> [ Echoing ] OH, MY GOODNESS! I SMELL FRESH PAINT AND HEAR AN ECHO. THIS IS...INCREDIBLE. DID YOU THINK IT WOULD EVER LOOK THIS GOOD IN HERE? >> YES. >> GERALIN DID GET ACROSS THE POINT TO ME HOW MUCH IT MEANT TO BETSY AT THE TIME TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A ROOM LIKE THAT, A NICE DINING ROOM. >> YES, SMILE, SMILE, NO TEARS. >> A LITTLE DIFFERENT, HUH? >> A WHOLE LOT DIFFERENT. WHEN I WALKED INTO THE BOYS' ROOM, I WAS REALLY THANKFUL TO SEE TWO LITTLE BOYS GOOFING AROUND ON THEIR BEDS, PLAYING WITH THEIR CARS, DOING WHAT KIDS SHOULD BE DOING AT THAT AGE. LAST TIME I WAS HERE, YOU WERE BOTH SLEEPING OUTSIDE IN A TENT. AND NOW YOU HAVE YOUR BEDS BACK. >> I'M HAPPY. >> HAPPY. I WANT YOU TO KNOW, I'M REALLY VERY PLEASED AT HOW FAR YOU GUYS HAVE COME AND THAT YOU'RE STILL MAKING GRADUAL CHANGES AND JUST BEING SO OPEN AND HONEST ABOUT EVERYTHING. >> WE ARE WINNING THAT BATTLE AGAINST THE HOARDING. BETSY, SHE'S VERY HAPPY, AS I AM, WITH THE PROGRESS THAT WE'RE MAKING, AND WE'RE STILL GOING, AND WE'RE GONNA KEEP GOING. >> WHEN I FIRST SAW THE FILM... I WASN'T HAPPY. I MEAN, NONE OF US ARE PERFECT. WE DO THE BEST WE CAN, BUT I'M NOT ASHAMED OF THE SHOW. THIS IS TO HELP US ON THE ROAD TO RECOVERY COMPLETELY AND WHOLLY. [ DOG BARKING ] >> MY NAME IS DENNIS. I'M 61 YEARS OLD, AND I'M A RETIRED CLEVELAND POLICE OFFICER. WHAT A MESS! IT'S NOT JUNK. IT'S JUST A LOT OF... CLUTTER, I GUESS WE'D SAY. >> MY NAME IS NADENE. I'M 65 YEARS OLD. I'M DENNIS' WIFE. MY YEAR I WAS BORN! [ LAUGHS ] OUR HOUSE IS FILLED WITH OUR TREASURES. HOWEVER, WE'VE COLLECTED TOO MANY OVER THE YEARS. >> I'M HEATHER. I'M 33, AND I'M DENNIS AND NADENE'S DAUGHTER. IT'S NOT JUST CLUTTER. IT'S NOT JUST UNTIDINESS. IT'S A PSYCHOLOGICAL PROBLEM THAT THEY HAVE. AS FAR AS MY DAD'S CONCERNED, WELL, IT'S MY MOM'S FAULT. AND AS FAR AS MOM'S CONCERNED, WELL, MY DAD WON'T STOP BUYING STUFF. BECAUSE THEY BOTH BLAME EACH OTHER, IT RELIEVES THEM FROM TAKING ANY RESPONSIBILITY FOR IT, AND SO IT DOESN'T EVER GET ANY BETTER. >> HELLO, DENNIS. >> HOW ARE YOU DOING? >> HI. THANKS FOR HAVING US. >> OH, YEAH. >> MY NAME IS DR. ROBIN ZASIO. I AM A CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST, AND I SPECIALIZE IN OBSESSIVE-COMPULSIVE DISORDER AND COMPULSIVE HOARDING. AT THIS POINT, ADULT PROTECTIVE SERVICES HAS BEEN CONTACTED, AND THEY ARE ACTUALLY VERY CONCERNED WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS A SAFE ENVIRONMENT FOR BOTH OF THEM TO LIVE IN. TRASH THEM RIGHT NOW BEFORE I SAY "KEEP THEM." [ LAUGHS ] THOSE, I BOUGHT FOR MYSELF. THEY'RE REALLY MEN'S. [ LAUGHS ] >> DO YOU WANT THEM OR NOT? >> NO. >> WE THOUGHT MAYBE YOU SHOULD TAKE A LOOK AT THEM. >> ALL RIGHT. >> YOU GOT YOUR PERSONAL PIECE WITH YOU? >> IN A DRAWER. >> AND THAT'S IT? THERE'S NOTHING ELSE ON THE FLOOR? >> HAND ME THAT BOOK THERE. >> HERE? >> YEAH. >> HOLY COW! YOU'VE GOT STUFF EVERYWHERE. >> I DON'T THINK YOU UNDERSTAND HOW SERIOUS THIS IS. PROTECTIVE SERVICES WILL TAKE YOU OUT OF THAT HOUSE. >> YOU'RE FULL OF [BLEEP] HEATHER. YOU STARTED THIS FREAKIN' THING -- THE WHOLE THING. I TOLD YOU SO. >> [ SCREAMING ] >> WOULD I BE ALLOWED TO TALK TO MY HUSBAND? >> WE'RE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHY YOU'RE SO ANGRY. >> I NEED TO GET IN HERE. CLOSE THE DOOR! DENNIS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE [BLEEP] THEY'RE DOING. >> NADE, THIS IS SERIOUS. THE COUNTY CAN TAKE THE HOUSE. >> HEATHER STARTED THIS. >> NO,<i> YOU</i> DID -- BUYING TOO MUCH [BLEEP] IT IS UNMANAGEABLE NOW. CAN YOU BRING ME A PICKLE? >> NO, I DON'T HAVE A PICKLE! I'M<i> IN</i> A PICKLE! >> NADENE. >> NO. I'LL GIVE YOU THE CAR. JUST LEAVE ME ALONE. >> MY CONCERN ABOUT WHERE WE ARE IN THIS PROCESS IS THAT THEY HAVE THROWN AWAY VERY LITTLE. WE ARE STORING, WE ARE ORGANIZING, BUT VERY LITTLE IS GOING OUT. >> I WAS EXTREMELY HAPPY WHEN THE CLUTTER WAS GONE. THEY WORKED VERY HARD. >> LOSING MY GUN COLLECTION -- THAT WASN'T GOOD. AND SORT OF LIKE MY DAUGHTER SAID, I GAVE UP, YOU KNOW? I DIDN'T FEEL LIKE I WANTED TO LIVE ANYMORE. >> HI, NADENE. HOW ARE YOU? >> HOW ARE YOU, ROBIN? >> IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOU. THANKS FOR HAVING ME BACK. I'M SEEING THERE'S SOME FAMILIAR SIGHTS -- FOR INSTANCE, BOXES WITH STUFF STILL IN IT, CLOTHING WITH TAGS. >> YES. IT'S A VERY OLD HOME, ROBIN -- 1919. CLOSETS EXTREMELY SMALL. >> MM-HMM. NADENE IS IN A LOT OF DENIAL ABOUT HER ABILITY TO ORGANIZE. SEE, ROBIN, YOU BUY BRAND-NEW CLOTHING -- WOULD YOU WANT TO GIVE IT TO THE GOODWILL? >> HER ORGANIZATIONAL SKILLS ARE CLEARLY LACKING. THE KITCHEN IS A SENSITIVE PLACE FOR YOU, ISN'T IT? >> YES. >> DO YOU THINK THIS IS SAME, BETTER, OR WORSE THAN WHEN WE WERE HERE LAST TIME? >> WORSE. >> YEAH. SO, WHAT'S GOING ON? IS IT ORGANIZATIONAL? IS IT YOU JUST DON'T LIKE TO WASH DISHES? >> I DON'T LIKE DISHES. DISHES ARE NOT MY BAG. >> NADENE. >> OH, DEAR, THOSE ARE... >> IT'S HAMBURGER MEAT, ISN'T IT? >> NO, THOSE ARE... YAMS THAT I BOUGHT. APPARENTLY, THEY'RE NO GOOD. >> THAT'S YAMS? >> YEAH. >> THAT'S HAMBURGER MEAT. LOOK. >> OH, IT IS? >> THAT'S HAMBURGER. YOU'VE GOT HAMBURGER MEAT ON THE GROUND THERE. >> YEAH, I HAD BOUGHT THAT TO MAKE SOMETHING, AND DUE TO THE STRESS AND EVERYTHING... >> MM-HMM. DENNIS, MY GOSH, WHERE'D THE OTHER HALF OF YOU GO? >> [ LAUGHS ] >> WOW. YOU LOST A LOT OF WEIGHT SINCE I LAST SAW YOU. >> 'CAUSE I WAS DEPRESSED, DIDN'T WANT TO LIVE...BECAUSE EVERYTHING WAS HAPPENING. I LOST ALL MY GUN COLLECTION. IT WAS A BAD YEAR. >> ARE YOU FEELING BETTER NOW? >> OH, YEAH, YEAH. I'M ON THIS MOOD-ELEVATOR MEDICATION. >> OKAY. >> AND I FEEL BETTER. IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT TO TAKE IT ONE DAY AT A TIME. >> THE FIRST TIME THAT I MET DENNIS WAS WHEN HE WAS LAYING IN HIS BED. HOW ARE YOU? YEAH. WHEN I SAW HIM AGAIN TODAY, HE WAS LAYING IN HIS BED. HE EXPRESSED A YEAR AGO THAT IT HAD BEEN WELL OVER 10 YEARS SINCE HE HAD BEEN IN THE KITCHEN. AND SINCE WE WERE HERE LAST, HE STILL HASN'T BEEN IN THE KITCHEN. WHEN WE LEFT, WE HAD MADE PRETTY SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS. >> OH, YEAH. [ LAUGHS ] >> IT WAS A SAFE HOME. >> OF COURSE, WE COULDN'T FIND ANYTHING, STUFF IN BAGS, AND WE STILL DON'T KNOW WHERE THINGS WENT. >> RIGHT. DO YOU HAVE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THE HOUSE GETTING BACK TO THE WAY IT WAS? >> YEAH. YEAH. [ LAUGHS ] >> YEAH. WHILE THEY'RE BOTH ACKNOWLEDGING WHAT THE PROBLEM IS, THEY'RE NOT WORKING TOGETHER TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM. SO IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT DENNIS AND NADENE HAVE SOMEBODY COME TO THEIR HOUSE WHO'S SKILLED IN DEALING WITH HOARDING ISSUES AND CAN BRING A PERSON BACK INTO FOCUS AGAIN, WHICH IS WHAT DR. BROWN'S ROLE IS. >> GOOD HANDSHAKE -- FRIENDLY. >> I STARTED WORKING WITH NADENE ABOUT SEVEN MONTHS AGO. YOU CAN SEE THE TABLE, WHICH IS FANTASTIC. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL TABLE. I WOULD SAY IN THE LAST THREE MONTHS, IT'S GOTTEN A LOT BETTER. >> IT'S JUST, YOU WANT IT DONE... >> YES, RIGHT. >> ...YESTERDAY. >> RIGHT. MY LONG-TERM PREDICATIONS FOR NADENE AND DENNIS ARE GOOD. WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO COMPLETELY WIPE OUT ALL COLLECTING, HOARDING. BUT AS LONG AS WE CONTINUE TO WORK ONE THING AT A TIME, JUST DO ONE HOUR AT A TIME... THERE WE GO. ...I THINK THEY'LL GET TO WHERE THEY NEED TO BE. PITCH IT. THERE YOU GO. [ LAUGHS ] >> AFTER THE SHOW FIRST AIRED... I WENT INTO A BIT OF A DEPRESSION BECAUSE I KNEW THE WHOLE WORLD HAD SEEN MY DIRTY, LITTLE SECRET. I KNEW I COULD EITHER WALLOW IN THE PITY OR LET IT GO. >> MY NAME IS DEBORAH. I'M 49 YEARS OLD. MY HOARDING PROBLEM STARTED... WHEN I HAD KIDS. I LET EVERYTHING ELSE GO. >> MY NAME IS RON. I'M 50 YEARS OLD. I'M DEBORAH'S HUSBAND. JUST GRADUALLY, OVER THE YEARS, ACCUMULATED SO MUCH STUFF THAT IT'S GOTTEN TO A POINT WHERE YOU JUST CAN'T STAND IT ANYMORE. >> I'M SAM, AND I'M 11. LAST TIME I SLEPT IN MY BEDROOM, I WAS PROBABLY ABOUT 5 YEARS OLD. >> I'M LEWIS. I'M 14. I ALWAYS SLEEP ON THE COUCH IN THE LIVING ROOM BECAUSE OUR ROOM IS, LIKE, THE LAUNDRY ROOM. >> OVER THE YEARS, HER HOARDING -- I THINK IT'S REALLY BOTHERED MY... DEPRESSION AND ALCOHOLISM. I'VE HAD ENOUGH. >> I FOUND HIM LAYING ON THE KITCHEN FLOOR WITH A NOTE. ALL I COULD SEE WERE THE AMBULANCE AND THE POLICE COMING IN AND SEEING THE HOUSE. AND I THOUGHT, "I'M ABOUT TO LOSE MY HUSBAND AND MY CHILDREN." >> EVERYONE HAS TO BE A TEAM TODAY. WE HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER. I'M SUZANNE CHABAUD. I'M A CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST. THIS IS GONNA BE A HUGE CHALLENGE FOR THEM BECAUSE THE FAMILY HAS BEEN SO CUT OFF FROM THEIR DEEPER FEELINGS. THE TELLER OF THAT IS THE YOUNGEST RIGHT NOW, SAM. >> OKAY. >> OKAY. >> OKAY. >> I'M REALLY WORRIED ABOUT NOT BEING ABLE TO GET IT ALL DONE. >> THANK YOU. >> GOOD JOB. HE HAS BEEN WAITING. THIS IS BIGGER THAN CHRISTMAS FOR HIM. BUT THE PARENTS HAVE TO ACTUALLY BE THE PEOPLE TO TAKE CHARGE, NOT THE CHILDREN. >> IT'S GONNA TAKE ME A LONG TIME TO GET OVER THE DISGUST THAT I FEEL WITH MYSELF. THINGS ENDED UP NOT COMPLETELY FINISHED. BUT A LOT GOT DONE. >> OH, MY GOD! [ LAUGHTER ] THE BEST PART ABOUT IT WAS PROBABLY GETTING TO MEET EVERYBODY. THANK YOU! >> YEAH. >> RIGHT AFTER THE CREW LEFT, THERE WAS A LITTLE QUESTION IN MY HEAD. CAN I DO THIS NOW THAT THEY'RE GONE? CAN I DO THIS ON MY OWN? [ BIRDS CHIRPING ] [ LAUGHTER ] >> HI. GOOD TO SEE YOU. I LOVE YOU GUYS. >> A LOT OF WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE MAY BE REMINISCENT WHAT WE HAD BEFORE. WELL, WE'RE MOVING. SO, THIS IS MOVED IN THE MIDDLE BECAUSE WE'RE PACKING. >> I HAD GOTTEN LAID OFF FROM MY JOB, AND WE REALLY WANTED TO TRY TO HOLD ON. WE WERE ABLE TO MAKE THE PAYMENTS THROUGH MAY, BUT IT JUST GOT TO BE TOO MUCH. >> WELL, WE HAD ALREADY CLEARED OUT A LOT. YOU REALLY WOULD HAVE BEEN PROUD OF WHAT WE HAD CLEARED OUT. >> IS THAT THE TRUTH? >> YEAH. I THINK WE'VE BEEN DOING PRETTY GOOD. >> IT'S A DIFFICULT AND CHALLENGING TIME FINANCIALLY FOR THE FAMILY. JUST WHEN THEY ESTABLISHED A SENSE OF HOME, NOW THEY HAVE TO SAY GOODBYE TO IT. >> YOU KNOW, WHEN WE MOVED IN, IT WAS OUR DREAM HOME, AND WHEN WE WERE GETTING IT TO THE PLACE THAT I ALWAYS DREAMED IT COULD BE, TO HAVE IT JUST TAKEN RIGHT OUT FROM UNDER OUR FEET IS HEARTBREAKING. >> AFTER GOING THROUGH THIS HEALING PROCESS, THIS IS A DIFFERENT EXPERIENCE THAN IT WOULD BE IF YOU HAD NOT HAD THE INTERVENTION. >> I THINK SO. >> OH, SAM, HEY. [ LAUGHS ] WHEN YOU COME INTO YOUR MOM'S ROOM NOW, DOES IT FEEL DIFFERENT TO YOU THAN IT DID? >> YES, MA'AM. IT'S, LIKE, A WHOLE LOT DIFFERENT. I'M VERY PROUD OF MY MOM. YOU JUST... SHOWED YOUR HOME TO EVERYONE AND OPENED UP ABOUT IT, AND NOW THAT PEOPLE WHO DID IT AND THOUGHT THEY WERE ALONE WILL REALIZE IT, AND THEY MIGHT GET HELP. >> YOU'RE AMAZING, SAM. >> THANK YOU. >> AN AMAZING KID. >> FOR THE FUTURE, WE'RE JUST KEEPING OUR HEADS UP. WE'RE GONNA LOOK AHEAD. WE JUST NEED TO KEEP A POSITIVE ATTITUDE. IF I CAN FIND A GOOD JOB AND... GET BACK ON OUR FEET, I THINK EVERYTHING WILL MOVE AHEAD REAL WELL. >> I KNOW THERE WAS SOME CRITICISM OF THE SHOW THAT A TWO-DAY CLEANOUT IS NOT HELPFUL. THIS WAS ABSOLUTELY THE THING THAT SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED AND NEEDED TO HAPPEN FOR MY MOM. AND I'M VERY GRATEFUL THAT WE HAD THIS OPPORTUNITY TO HELP HER BUT ALSO TO POTENTIALLY HELP OTHERS. >> MY NAME IS JUDI. I'M 66, AND I'M A RECENTLY RETIRED TECHNICAL WRITER IN THE I.T. ARENA. TO ME, THE CONCEPT OF HOARDING HAS ALWAYS BEEN STORING UP TREASURES, BRINGING STUFF IN, AND KEEPING IT. AND I STARTED HOARDING TRASH AND GARBAGE. IT'S A PILED-UP MESS, AND IT'S JUST GRADUALLY GONE TO SHAMBLES. >> I'M CECI, AND I AM JUDI'S DAUGHTER. I GUESS I PROBABLY REALIZED MY HOUSE WASN'T NORMAL ABOUT THE TIME I STARTED GOING TO SLEEPOVERS. I JUST REMEMBER BEING SO EXCITED TO GO SPEND THE NIGHT AT SOMEONE ELSE'S HOUSE, AND THEY'RE LIKE, "OH, WE'VE GOT TO COME SPEND THE NIGHT AT YOUR HOUSE." YOU DON'T -- YOU DON'T WANT TO TELL YOUR FRIENDS THAT THERE'S NOWHERE TO PLAY AT YOUR HOUSE. YOU DON'T WANT TO TELL THEM THAT. >> THERE IS A TOILET CHAIR, HOSPITAL-STYLE TOILET CHAIR IN THERE. IT'S WHERE MY MOM'S BEEN EATING, SLEEPING, LIVING. SHE TOLD ME THAT SHE WAS TYING HERSELF IN AT NIGHT SO THAT IF SHE FELL ASLEEP SHE WOULDN'T FALL OUT OF THE CHAIR. SHE HAD SLID OUT AND GOTTEN WEDGED AND DIDN'T HAVE THE STRENGTH OR THE ABILITY TO GET HERSELF BACK UP. MY MOM HAD HAD A SECURITY SYSTEM INSTALLED IN HER HOUSE. AND SHE HAD SET THE PANIC ALARM. HAD SHE NOT SET THE PANIC BUTTON, SHE WOULD HAVE DIED. >> I AM MATT PAXTON, A HOARDING SPECIALIST. THERE'S FECES EVERYWHERE. THERE'S A FOUR-FOOT PILE IN THE BATHROOM. THERE'S -- IT LOOKS LIKE A ONE-FOOT LAYER ON THE BASE OF THE KITCHEN. UGH, THAT'S AWFUL. >> MY BIG GOAL IS TO GET THE HOUSE CLEAN AND EMPTY AND WITHOUT A BREAKDOWN. >> OKAY. GOOD. THAT IS OUR GOAL, AS WELL. HOW LONG DO YOU THINK THIS HAS BEEN ACCUMULATING IN HERE? >> SAY A COUPLE OF YEARS. >> THAT REALLY EXPLAINS HOW BAD THE URINE GOT AND THE FECES GOT IN THIS ROOM. IT LITERALLY ATE THROUGH THE FLOORING, THROUGH THE TILE. >> THE KITCHEN WASN'T THAT BAD UNTIL I STARTED ROOSTING THERE. THEN EVERYTHING WENT OVER THE BACK OF THE CHAIR, OVERNIGHT, WHEN I WAS TOO TIRED TO DO ANYTHING ELSE. "PHWIM!" >> UGH. >> [ Crying ] THE HARDEST PART OF ALL OF THIS IS THAT I FEEL LIKE IT'S -- PEOPLE ARE GONNA LOOK AT IT AND THINK THAT I'M THIS WAY, AND I'M NOT. I FOUGHT NOT TO BECOME LIKE THAT. >> HERE COMES THE BONE OF CONTENTION. OHH. >> HOW LONG WOULD THIS HAVE GONE ON THIS WAY BEFORE YOU DECIDED THAT THIS WAS A CRISIS? >> NOT TOO MUCH LONGER BECAUSE I WASN'T ABLE TO GET IN AND OUT OF THAT HOUSE VERY WELL AT ALL. >> IF YOU HADN'T SET THAT PANIC BUTTON, YOU'D BE DEAD. ALL YOU HAD TO DO WAS SAY, "I'M REALLY EMBARRASSED, CECI, BUT I'M SORRY. I NEED HELP." IT JUST REALLY HIT ME THAT THIS IS MORE THAN JUST HOARDING. SHE HAS A VERY MAJOR MENTAL ILLNESS. I'M REALLY -- I'M GONNA BE REALLY -- AND THIS IS THE HARDEST THING I'VE EVER SAID IN MY LIFE, BUT IF YOU REFUSE TO ASK FOR HELP AND YOU RE-CREATE THIS, I CUT THE LINE. AND I LOVE YOU, BUT TO SIT HERE AND LISTEN TO YOU SAY YOU'VE LIVED LIKE THIS FOR TWO YEARS... IT WAS VERY EMOTIONALLY AND PHYSICALLY TAXING. I STILL DIDN'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE ENDING WAS GONNA BE BECAUSE WE DID SEE A DIFFERENT SIDE OF MY MOM'S INTERACTION, WHICH REALLY ALARMED ME FOR THE FIRST TIME. >> THE EXPERIENCE OF HAVING THE HOUSE CLEANED UP WAS SCARY. BUT I WAS RELIEVED OF A HEAVY BURDEN OF THE STATE THAT HOUSE HAD BEEN IN. >> COME IN. >> SAID I CAN COME IN. >> YEAH, GO AHEAD. >> HELLO, HELLO. >> LOOK WHO I FOUND. >> HELLO. >> LOOK AT THIS -- WE'RE ALL STANDING IN YOUR ROOM. >> MM-HMM, ON FLOOR. >> ON FLOOR, YES. YES, A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN LAST TIME I SAW YOU. >> OH, YES. I HAD TOO MANY THINGS, FAR TOO MANY THINGS. NOT TO MENTION THE THINGS THAT WERE ACQUIRED THAT WEREN'T INTENDED TO BE ACQUIRED. >> I MEAN, COMPARED TO WHERE I WAS LAST TIME... >> YEAH. >> ...I MEAN, WE WERE NECK HIGH IN DIAPERS. AND, IRONICALLY, THE ONLY DIAPERS WE HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT ANYMORE ARE ON THE GRANDDAUGHTER. THIS IS A UNIQUE SITUATION WHERE JUDI LITERALLY ONLY HAS ABOUT A 10x20 SPACE. SHE CAN ONLY HOARD SO MUCH. SHE'S SURROUNDED HERSELF WITH PEOPLE THAT DON'T LET HER HOARD. >> THIS IS A GOOD PLACE TO LIVE. >> YEAH, YEAH. >> WE LIKE IT HERE, DON'T WE? >> WE SURE DO. YEAH. LIFE IS GOOD FOR ME AT THE ASSISTED-LIVING FACILITY. HERE, I CAN HAVE PRETTY THINGS, THINGS THAT REMIND ME OF MY FAMILY, AND STILL HAVE ROOM TO GET AROUND. ♪ SHE'LL BE COMING 'ROUND THE MOUNTAIN WHEN SHE COMES ♪ >> IT'S A SUCCESSFUL SCENARIO. I MEAN, IF JUDI WAS LIVING BY HERSELF, YOU WOULD NOT SEE SO MUCH PROGRESSION IN RECOVERY. I MEAN, THIS HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH HER LOCATION, HER FAMILY'S SUPPORT. SHE NOW HAS THINGS TO FOCUS ON. [ PIANO MUSIC PLAYING ] YOU'VE GOT TO REPLACE YOUR HOARDING WITH SOMETHING POSITIVE. WELL, GUESS WHAT SHE'S REPLACING IT WITH? KIDS, GRANDCHILDREN. >> YOU'VE GOT A NICE, BIG SMILE. YES, YOU DO. MWAH! >> JUDI IS A NEW WOMAN, AND YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE IT. I MEAN, IF YOU PUT A PICTURE OF HER FROM BEFORE AND NOW, SHE'S A DIFFERENT WOMAN. >> [ LAUGHS ] >> AND IT'S AWESOME. IS YOUR LIFE BETTER TWO YEARS LATER NOW THAT YOU'VE HELPED YOUR MOM? >> YEAH, I WOULD SAY MY LIFE'S BETTER. OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, YOU NEVER HAVE THE FAIRY-TALE RELATIONSHIP, BUT I HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH MY MOM THAT I NEVER REALLY BELIEVED I COULD HAVE. MY RELATIONSHIP WITH MY MOM HAS CHANGED QUITE A BIT. I STILL FEEL LIKE I'M THE PARENT IN THE RELATIONSHIP. [ MURMURING ] >> THE ROLE REVERSAL JUST HAPPENED. I WAS MENTALLY OUT OF IT AT THAT POINT, KNEW I NEEDED HELP. AND SHE WAS WILLING TO STEP IN AND PROVIDE ME THAT HELP. >> IT'S A DOG. >> IT'S NOT THE RELATIONSHIP I WANT FOR MY CHILDREN TO HAVE WITH ME. BUT IT'S FAR BETTER THAN WHAT I HAD THE LAST 34 YEARS. WELL, AFTER THE SHOW AIRED, WE GOT A LOT OF FEEDBACK. OVERWHELMINGLY, MOST PEOPLE WERE ABLE TO SAY, "OH, I GET IT. THAT MUST HAVE BEEN REALLY TOUGH. YOU DID WHAT WAS RIGHT," AND VERY SUPPORTIVE. THERE WERE QUITE A FEW PEOPLE WHO THOUGHT THAT I WAS THE OPPOSITE, THAT I WAS A VILLAIN, I WAS A HORRIBLE PERSON. WHEN YOU PUT SOMETHING LIKE THIS OUT THERE, SOME PEOPLE ARE GONNA LOVE YOU, SOME PEOPLE ARE GONNA HATE YOU. "JUDI'S DAUGHTER SHOULD BE SHOT." AND INITIALLY, I WAS SO RAW FROM EVERYTHING ELSE THAT THOSE NEGATIVE COMMENTS VERY MUCH WOUNDED ME. AT THIS POINT, I CAN GO READ THEM AND THINK, YOU KNOW, "SORRY." >> CECI TOOK A LOT OF GRIEF THAT WAS -- THAT WAS NOT NEEDED. THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT CECI NOW KNOWS THAT SHE'S MAKING A DIFFERENCE. CECI HAS GOTTEN EXTREMELY INVOLVED IN THE HOARDING COMMUNITY. [ Ringing ] >> HEY, CECI. >> HEY, JASON. HOW ARE YOU? >> I'M ALL RIGHT. HOW ARE YOU? >> HAVE YOU TALKED TO YOUR MOM RECENTLY AT ALL? >> I know she fell the other day at her house. >> IS SHE OKAY? I WAS ABLE TO CONNECT WITH JASON AND SUSAN, WHOSE MOM WAS ON ANOTHER EPISODE. >> IT'S NICE WHEN YOU CAN TALK TO SOMEBODY WHO KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE GOING THROUGH... WHO CAN REALLY, TRULY UNDERSTAND. >> THIS PAST SUMMER, WE WERE ABLE TO CATCH UP WITH THEM AND HAVE DINNER, WHICH WAS REALLY COOL. >> MEETING CECI WAS SORT OF LIKE MEETING A COLLEAGUE. WE'D BOTH WATCHED EACH OTHER'S EPISODES, SO IT WAS A VERY LOVELY EXPERIENCE, AND I HOPE TO SEE THEM AGAIN. >> WE CAN -- WE CAN DO LUNCH AGAIN. THEY SHARED THE SAME THING, THAT FOR A LONG TIME, THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO GREW UP THAT WAY. WE WERE, I THINK, VERY FORTUNATE THAT WE HAD THIS OPPORTUNITY, NOT ONLY FOR THE CLEANUP BUT FOR THE CHANGE IN THE RELATIONSHIPS. >> YOU'RE A SWEETIE PIE. >> IT'S NEVER TOO LATE. >> YES. >> WHETHER YOU'RE STUCK IN THE HOARD AND YOU'RE BATTLING WITH IT OR JUST ACCEPTING IT AND LIVING THERE... YOU STILL HAVE A CHANCE. YOU JUST HAVE TO -- HAVE TO ALWAYS REMEMBER, AS LONG AS YOU HAVE TIME, YOU HAVE HOPE.
