Hey, everyone. D'Anthony FanTangelo here. And this
is of course, a new episode of Here's Why You're Wrong, the series where I take your hot takes,
your unpopular opinions, and your tough questions, and I react to the best ones. Please keep in mind
that this is my own original series that I created and came up with and own the rights to. And no one
else has ever done it on the history of YouTube, especially Anthony Fantano. The theme of today's
episode is sure to divide a lot of people because it's fandoms. The one thing that's supposed to
bring people together on the internet seems to drive a wedge between the most people. And that is
fandoms of various series, celebrities, YouTubers, you name it. It's pretty much impossible to
find an uglier place on the internet, than fandom Twitter or fandom Tumblr, or even fandom
YouTube. So like of course I'm going to make a video diving into people's opinions about
it. This is a bad idea. Let's find out. "Shipping people who are actually real rather than
just fictional characters is really creepy. It can get out of hand and end up ruining friendships.
Writing smut about IRL people and talking about who's the top slash bottom should be considered
some kind of harassment in my opinion." Here's why you're right. I don't think it should
be considered harassment, I think it just is harassment. I honestly don't care how popular that
genre is, if you are writing erotic fiction about real life people, you need to evaluate your life.
"K-Pop is overrated as hell. Don't kill me, please." Okay, you're not the one who's going
to die. I'm going to die for reacting to this because here's why you're right. I think K-Pop is
overrated as hell. I don't think it's bad, but the way people kind of act like it's the second coming
of music... It's not that good, honestly. Of course like any genre of music, there's plenty of
amazing K-Pop and plenty of amazing singers within the genre. But overall, it's highly overrated.
"The way some fandoms don't accept LGBT characters having flows like a normal human and treat
them as "Uwu precious sinful babies" is high key uncomfortable." Here's why you're right.
Honestly, once again, if that's the kind of thing you're doing, you need to reevaluate
your life. Treating anybody differently because of things that they can't change about
themselves is wrong. And that includes treating them better. Not even going to lie. But a lot
of people are not ready for that conversation. "The fact that there's a fandom for just about
everything is weird." Here's why you're wrong. There's a fandom for phones, actually like
a real phone fandom, and I'm in it and it's not weird. It's not weird at all, okay. It's not
weird that I'm in the Google Pixel fandom. And I refuse to accept it as being weird. So, next.
"Alternate opinion, emo and scene kids have to get over themselves. People don't find y'all
annoying because you're outcasts. They find you annoying because you think you have the moral
high ground because you're not like everyone else." Here's why you're right. Honestly, there's
nothing special about being misunderstood. And a lot of people who say they're misunderstood,
you're not misunderstood. You like wearing black and listening to depressing music.
What is there to misunderstand? Honestly, it's not that serious. I have to let you know
on behalf of humanity, nobody's judging you as hard as you think they are, just relax.
"The actual artists are usually good, but some fandoms are toxic so they turn you off the
artist." Here's why you're right. I can't tell you how many times I've encountered an artist who does
gorgeous work, literally just the most beautiful stuff you've ever seen in your entire life. But
then they go to their page and it's all fan art for this one series that I really don't want to
have anything to do with. Obviously that doesn't lessen the value of that artist's work, but it
definitely lessens me wanting to consume it. "Furries aren't that bad." Here's why you're
right. I think the loudest furries are certainly the worst. Typically people feel compelled to
react to the worst of the worst. So I think the only time you really see furries outside
of the furry fandom is when they're being generally awful. But yeah, beyond that, it's
safe to assume that most furries are just fine. "All fandoms start out good until Tumblr gets its
grubby hands on them." Here's why you're wrong. You think Tumblr ruins fandoms? Have you ever
seen what Reddit does to fandoms? Holy crap. Every fandom has it, but the ones where the throngs of
people stan the villain and tried to de-villainize him through fandom goggles and try to make it
seem like genocide, war crimes, and abuse are okay because they had a bad childhood. Oh, and K
pop. Y'all better stop bringing up K-pop, because if you get me canceled, I'm not going to let you
forget it. Anyway, here's why you're right. It is absolutely not cute that a character in this show
wiped out an entire race, got rid of his entire family history, mistreated his significant other
over an extended period of time. Like, that's not cute. And it's weird that you think it is. Now, I
think you can absolutely love a character who has done those things. But if you start trying to act
like those things are fine, reevaluate your life. "The next person who says that they won't get
into slash consider a thing or person because of their fan base is catching these hands." Here's
why you're wrong. There's plenty of things that I don't get into solely because of the fan base.
And it's not because I think the fan base is an indicator of the quality of the work, but rather
when I enjoy things, I tend to want to express that publicly. But due to how awful certain fan
bases are, there are certain franchises that I wouldn't be caught dead expressing my appreciation
for. So yes, fans absolutely do ruin the experience of certain media or artists, et cetera.
"Onision fandom, the end." Here's why you're wrong. I just refuse to accept the reality that
Onision has fans. It can't be real. It can't be true. This can't be happening. Not in this real
life that we live in 2020. Please make it stop. "It's okay to ship any characters in a TV show or
whatever else. No one should care if it's incest, age gap, unlikely, or out of character. Just
let people write their fan fiction in peace." Here's why you're wrong. You're just, you're just,
you're you're you're you're just wrong. That's, that's... That's all I really have to say.
"Fandoms that constantly objectify underage characters are creepy and weird. A character being
just a fictional character doesn't really matter, they're still a child." Here's why you're
right. And yes, I'm about to generalize, but don't even act like I'm wrong. I typically
see this in anime. Y'all really think you can get away with the grubbiest stuff just because the
character has anime eyes, huh? Guess what, it's still creepy and weird and your mental gymnastics
don't really change that. Again, there's nothing wrong with liking underage characters or
thinking they're cute. But at the point where it's getting sexual, you... Holy crap, man.
"When a YouTuber couple breaks up and people will spend years flooding their social media
demanding, "Get back together." Lisa wouldn't talk about her love life for a long time because
fans wanted her to get back with Shane so badly. She lost her voice on her own channel." Here's why
you're right. That's probably the worst thing ever because there's a certain point where things stop
being okay for the fans to discuss in my opinion, and relationships between real life people
absolutely fall into that category. When two adults make a decision for them and their
relationship, it doesn't matter how many people they were performing that relationship
in front of. And so for any fan to think that their entertainment is more important than
the happiness of said YouTuber is really sad. "All fandoms have trash people, the argument of
who's worse is useless to be honest." Here's why you're wrong. There are absolutely some fandoms
that are worse than the others. For example, the Animal Crossing fandom is literally the most
wholesome place ever. Like if you ever encounter any drama in the Animal Crossing fandom, it's
going to be really random. Mostly we just freak out over like stairs and buckets and stuff. So
yeah. Compare the Animal Crossing fandom to, I don't know, Marvel. Yeah, no, trust me.
There's some worse fandoms in the race. "Not really fandoms themselves, but I kind of
hate how if you like a thing that people just assume you're a part of the fandom. Like, no, I
just want to enjoy a thing without being forced into some social based, toxic, judgmental, and
over sensitive community centered around it." Here's why you're right. You can enjoy all the
media in the series without being in the fandom. Because from my understanding, being in a fandom
involves thinking about the series outside of times when you're watching it. And honestly, some
people just don't do that with things that they like. For example, I enjoy watching Marvel movies;
some of them, a lot of them are really terrible. But I enjoy watching them regardless of that. And
I enjoy looking at Marvel posts outside of that, but I'm not in the Marvel fandom because
ultimately it's not really a part of my life. "D'Angelo fans need a name. D'Fangelos."
Here... That's actually really clever. "Fandoms were a lot less annoying before the
internet. You buy a magazine, tape pictures to your wall and call it a day." Here's why you're
right. The internet actually brought upon this, the need to perform our fan love in front of
all the rest of the internet. And honestly, name a bigger mistake. It was most certainly
better when your appreciation for Star Wars was just between you, yourself, and
the money you spent. Now you can get bashed just for liking certain Star Wars movies.
"Sometimes the Hamilton fandom feels a little bit disrespectful considering they had canon dead
people as being trans or gay. People shipped Alexander Hamilton with Thomas Jefferson, it's
wild." And to this, we have attached a picture of Thomas Jefferson wearing a Hatsune Miku
binder, and he's apparently a furry, taking Japanese lessons, and obsessed with anime. Here's
why you're right. Thomas Jefferson was a real person. And I understand that Thomas Jefferson
in the play Hamilton is not a real person, but like at the same time, Thomas Jefferson is
a real person. So maybe I wouldn't outright say it's disrespectful, but I'm definitely going
to say this is weird. This is weird as heck. "Gatekeeping is bad, but it ain't that serious."
Here's why you're wrong. Actually, I think gatekeeping is a pretty big issue because people
kind of internalize it as bullying. It can be a pretty awful feeling trying to enter a fandom, but
immediately off the bat being made to feel like you don't belong there because you don't share
the same common opinion as everyone else. And I personally think that can have lasting effects
outside... You can tell that people have tried to gatekeep me out of fandoms, right? Basically
that's what I'm trying to say. I didn't like it. "There worst things about fandoms is how things
literally made for children become adults spaces, like My Little Pony, for example. It's full
of adult content and racism. It's a show about magic horses made for little girls. They
can like it, but holy crap, can they shut up?" Here's why you're right. Honestly, if you go
onto the internet and Google My Little Pony, you're not going to get very far before you see
something that will make you regret going onto the internet and Googling My Little Pony.
And let's be honest, we know a whole bunch of little boys and girls are on the internet
Googling My Little Pony. So yes, adults have absolutely made it weird. And please stop.
"Reader X character fics are the fan fiction equivalent of hell." Here's why you're right.
Those shouldn't exist. But it's even worse when they're like reader X real person. Like
why are y'all doing... I have to move on. "To every music fandom out there: underground
music does not equal good music and neither does popular music. The Beatles aren't the best band
ever, they have too much hype to lose their title. And if you listen to musical slash K-Pop slash
Justin Bieber on a regular basis, your earbuds are dead." Right, so here's why you're right. Here's
why you're right. And here's why you're wrong. No, underground music isn't automatically good, and
popular music definitely isn't automatically good. You're also correct about The Beatles. They're
not the best band by a long shot. However, they're a great band with an amazing catalog worth of
songs. But yeah, some people do like to act like The Beatles are just hands down the best thing
to ever happen to music. And they weren't. But you're absolutely wrong, I listened to musicals
and Justin Bieber and because I'm reviewing BTS's album next week, K-Pop as well. And I'll have
you know, my earbuds are not dead. Okay? They're just fine. Y'all like that little Air Pod flex?
"The furry fandom online is nothing like IRL. It's much more welcoming and wholesome. Even
though memes about furries are funny and I'll laugh at most of them. Have a nice day and don't
forget to uwu." Here's why you're right. I think, well, you know what? I'm going to go ahead
and say, here's why you're wrong. Okay. No, actually the more I think about it, you're kind
of right. Well, I think when the furry fandom from online spills into real life, that's when you
start running into issues, like with Rainfurrest. But no, for the most part I think IRL furries
are nowhere near as toxic, weird, and creepy as online furries. Obviously I'm not referring to
all of them, just the toxic, weird, and creepy ones. Because again, I think when you remove the
element of performing in front of a group, things just become more personal and a lot less extreme.
"I have a theory that the more privileged someone's fave is, the more toxic the
fandom is." Okay. Why are you right? Wait, you might be onto something. All right, I'm
going to have to think about that one more, but this person might've just did something.
"Animal Crossing fans are the chillest group of individuals." Here's why you're wrong. I'm in
the Animal Crossing fandom. I'm a 21 year old man, by the way. And while I am typically rather chill
about my Animal Crossing obsession, let me explain you something. If Nintendo pushes back the
release date of this next Animal Crossing game, the AC fandom is not going to be the chillest
one by a long shot. So I think outwardly we're kind of like a chill fandom, but we have the
potential to riot just because let's be honest, Nintendo has been starving us lately.
"The Star Wars fandom is awful." I'm just going to stop you right there.
Here's why you're right. They are. Next. "No matter how wholesome the source material is,
you're still going to garner a vocal majority that will be toxic, such as Steven Universe,
how the fans will go harass people to the..." Oh. Holy crap. I forgot that happened. Here's
why you're right. It doesn't matter if the show is about fricking friendship, like My Little
Pony, you're still going to result in an awful fandom. And I think for the most part that's just
because people in general are awful. So like a collection of Steven Universe fans is still
at the end of the day, a collection of human beings. Therefore it's going to be pretty bad.
"Also worst fandom is Smash." Here's why you're wrong. The Smash fandom is perfectly fine. And
I'm not just saying that because I'm in it. "People trying to act woke in a fandom, like
trying to argue that fan cams are cultural appropriation, are the actual people who need to
be educated." Here's why you're right. I think when people kind of take it upon themselves
to educate everybody who breaks any sort of, I don't know, woke rules, you really need to
reevaluate why you feel the need to correct any and everyone around you. I think a lot of times
when people approach something from the stance of, "Here, let me educate you," they're kind of
masking a very toxic trait as something designed to help you. And it's ugly. And just because
you're doing it with Steven Universe characters and not real people doesn't make it any less ugly.
"Homestuck's always called cancerous when it comes to fandoms, but most of their biggest offenses
come from being very young and inexperienced with cosplaying conventions." Here's why you're
wrong. I think the reason, well first of all, I don't think it's cancerous. I think that's
just such a weird word that people use. But I will say there's a lot of weird stuff going on.
And it's not necessarily just because of the age or the cosplay. It's the role play. I've seen
people in public spaces on the internet kind of act like they're Homestuck characters even down to
like the weird typing. And it's just like, "Why?" "I'm not the person that should say what you
should or should not ship... Yeah, but you're going to anyway." This person is exactly like
me. But if you ship incest slash age gap slash something abusive, you should rethink that.
"Fiction is not total escape from reality." Here's why you're right. I see far too many
people trying to say, "Oh well it's fictional characters and it's not hurting anyone." Cool.
That is not going to stop me from saying that it's weird and that I don't think it's correct.
"Making fun of people's interests is scummy, even if you still like that thing. I.E. making
fun of kids who still like FNAF even though you still like it. If you still like a thing,
that doesn't make it okay to make fun of other people for also liking it." Actually I think
if you used to like something, but then you grow out of it and start making fun of literal
children who like it still, that probably says a whole lot more about you than it does about
the kids. So this person is absolutely right. "Children should not be included in some fandoms.
I don't hate children, but some stuff is clearly meant for adults." Here's why you're right.
I'm never one of those people who's like, "Think of the kids!" But I will say I
encounter certain profiles on the internet, and from the kind of media that they're posting
I would assume they're like 20, but then you look at their bio and they're literally 15.
"Just because the author says something happened during the books but didn't write about
it should not mean it's canon. Looking at you, Joanne." Here's why you're wrong. J.K.
Rowling just paid me to tell you that you're wrong. So, guess you're wrong.
"My Hero Academia, Voltron and BTS stans are weak compared to Hetalia and Homestuck
fans. Change my mind." Okay. I'll absolutely change your mind. Voltron is worse than any of
the groups that you just mentioned. And I say this as somebody who's watched the majority of
the first few Voltron seasons, just stay far, far away from those people. And if you've heard
of them, then you know what I'm talking about. "Shipping children is weird. Especially
offscreen. Characters is a little more forgivable, but kids IRL being shipped is gross, like Finn
Wolfhard and Millie Bobby Brown." Yeah. That's absolutely gross. They're children. Holy crap.
And as much as I would like to say, "Duh," I see people do this. So I know why this person
brought that here. I've said it once and I'll say it again, reevaluate your life. If someone's under
18, you don't really need to be thinking about who they're with or in a romantic relationship at all.
"Some fans called our idol offensive nicknames, like Rat Coward et cetera, jokingly,
forgetting that they aren't friends and they just simply receive an interaction that
leads to an acquaintance type relationship. And they don't realize that probably makes their
idol uncomfortable. This take feeds into the recent discussions of parasocial relationships."
Here's why you're right. Sometimes I see people post just the weirdest things about people
that they actually like. And I'm like, "Bro, from just looking at your account, I would
assume you were like an anti." Familiarity breeds contempt is true. I think feeling a certain
familiarity with your fave can lead to you being just kind of mean. I don't know, it's a weird
phenomenon. And I think somebody who knows more about it than me should make a video about it.
"People act like K-Pop stans are the only annoying ones. Like I've seen the same Lady Gaga and Ariana
Grande fan cams under a ton of tweets and y'all are quiet about it. But then suddenly it's K-Pop
and it's a sin. Like, okay." Here's why you're wrong. Actually, I've seen so many Taylor Swift
fan cams, and they were kind of innocent. But then I'll see someone reply like, "Okay, Swifty,
how's it feel to stan a flop? Imagine stanning Taylor." And I'm just like, "Holy crap. They
just posted a fan cam." So no, I think everybody gets backlash for posting fan cams. And I think
that's because ultimately fan cams are annoying. "We should stop shaming people for being in
particular fandoms because to some degree they all have something terrible about them."
Here's why you're right. Just because you're in the FNAF fandom doesn't mean you're okay with
kids being stuffed into animatronics. You know, I think people do kind of look at fandoms
and attribute all the negative aspects to every single person within the fandom. And
that's absolutely unfair. It's like saying, "Oh, you liked Avengers? So you support Thanos
wiping out half the universe." It's a movie. "Stop basing your entire being and identity
on a piece of media for God's sake." Here's why you're right. I don't know how people
do that. Honestly, I want someone to look at me one day the same way a BTS stan account
looks at BTS's latest album. Which I will be reviewing next week, don't forget about that.
"Amino is absolute crap and people should stop promoting it because of the amount of..." Oh no.
I didn't know that was a thing. Yeah. If this is true, here's why you're right. Holy crap.
Someone needs to do something about that. "If you're an adult and you like media
created primarily for kids, that's fine and dandy. But if you talk down about kids who
enjoy it and publicly post NSFW images of it, then you need to be exterminated." Here's why
you're right. Oh my gosh. Why would you even post not safe for work images of kids fandoms? Then
again, it's something that I've seen. You know, so many of these I wish were just common sense,
but having been on the internet a long time, I've seen examples of literally everything
y'all are talking about. So you're right. "Liking old music doesn't mean you have good
music tastes and dubstep is the only inherently bad genre of music." Here's why you're wrong.
Dubstep is not inherently bad, okay. In fact, a lot of popular music right now just straight up
stole elements from dubstep, drum and bass EDM, et cetera. So I mean, if it's inherently
bad, it sure did have a large impact on the rest of music. Also, I'm just salty because
I really liked Scrillex when I was like 13. "The Billie Eilish and Melanie Martinez fandoms
have to calm down and about Billie and Melanie both having a song called Copycat and referencing
each other's lyrics in those songs." Here's why you're right. I went to go listen to Copycat
by Melanie Martinez featuring Tierra Whack, and the comments section was just full of people
either talking about how Melanie copied Billie, talking about how people need to stop
talking about how Melanie copied Billie, or talking about the fact that there were no
people talking about how Melanie copied Billie, so people need to stop talking about
people not talking about it. Bro, nobody cares. Just enjoy the music please.
"The Jesus fandom is full of bullies that have abandoned the canon." Oh my God. Literally imagine
stanning Jesus but still being rude to people online. Like did you not see the gospel story
arc where Jesus went around not judging people, but rather sitting with them. Honestly,
the Jesus fandom needs to get it together. "Benedict Cumberbatch is the ugliest human being
in existence." Here's why you're wrong. Honestly, when he was the dragon in the Hobbit movie,
he was kind of thick. Not going to lie. "Fandoms suck in general, too many extremists
that make things weird or blindly fight for people they don't even know." Here's why you're
right. I think the blindly fighting for people they don't know part is super weird. Just
because you're in a fandom doesn't mean you have to excuse any semblance of wrongdoing from
your fave. I mean y'all will literally pretend like Police records don't exist. Video footage
wasn't captured. Things did not come out of your faves literal mouths. Some people will do
anything to just paint this perfect image where their fave can do no wrongdoing, but then when
they get called out on it, they just switch to, "Well they're just a human being and
nobody's perfect." Okay, Chris Brown stans. But honestly I think that's kind of a
good one to leave off on. Fandoms suck in general. You know what, they do. You would
think that something designed to bring people together would do that. But all it does is
just cause chaos. And it's like a breeding ground for salt. Salt doesn't breed. It's like
a salt crystal, okay? Fandoms are just awful, but I'm not leaving any of the ones I'm in and
you're probably not either. So honestly who cares.
