Hearthstone 2 is literal LUNACY. Featuring Zeddy!

hello and welcome oh man the camera's messed up um all right hello and welcome to the meta breakers podcast i have to fix the camera right here uh for warshack and draco but you have three of us here that you see wait i've switched to the wrong scene i have a seven damn there we go okay i take up two whole box okay um welcome to the meadowbreakers podcast episode number 53 starring your your usual host uh we got me d-money we got the wonderful warshack meme deck extraordinaire we have the demon hunter extraordinaire over there dracocat and now we have a big time uh youtube star guest with us today youtube caliber heart all-star caliber guest zeddy joining us today on the podcast 24k subs on youtube he's been popping off everywhere you hear him yo you hear his voice every time you close your eyes all right welcome to the podcast eddie happy to have you here it's good to be here i'll say random that'll help random there you go we have this random podcast guest on now really happy to have you on the podcast we are going to be talking about uh the meta of course we're gonna be talking about the bugs in hearthstone we're gonna be talking about some some key cars that are causing a lot of uh a lot of saltiness in the in the community with the game um it's gonna be a good show so thank you for being here everybody and um yeah i know thanks for having me yeah no problem um to kick things off though uh with having a guest like zeddy uh if you want to like introduce yourself have like a small introduction how long you've been playing hearthstone maybe a favorite class favorite deck uh just give chat if they don't know who you are why they should know who you are so i've been playing hearthstone since just after gbg came out i played started playing it because i had no money i was in school i needed something to do while i studied because i can't just study i i got to do something else so i started playing art and got into it and um i got into by playing arena and then eventually transitioning to ladder my favorite class starting out was mage and then i got really into druid i like there's like one male ghost drew deck alone i have like over 2 000 games played with played way too much and uh but yeah lately um i guess drew it's probably my favorite class like a between druid and mage it's like spell heavy mana cheap type of classes that i guess i like i like ramping and doing crazy stuff spell stuff is fun i guess fun fun you must be having a blast with the new uh card then actually i only played that day one in wild i played with um i played the celestial card and uh just spam spam giants for zero mana and load that was pretty cool um but it's yeah it just doesn't really compete with wild strategies and in standard while you can't do anything because mage and so i'm playing mage and playing random and seeing random and just memeing on it and gonna keep beaming on it until it's fixed because stupid didn't we think celestial is going to be good in wild because i feel like i thought that card might be crazy and why i thought it might break i'm like it's either gonna break the game or just be okay and it's just kind of okay yeah because it is still you have to get to that you have to get to it so you have to ramp and by then in wild you're usually dead especially like paladin they have like this whole strategy with the call to arms and watch post that you basically can never play the game because you have no mana and they're also super aggressive and it's just it's pretty obnoxious i can imagine that it'd be weird to play even paladin it with farsight what is that's the far watch post that they probably play yeah yeah yeah that's the only one they run and yeah they don't even play even paladins don't even bother they just because they want to run the secrets and stuff right so yeah that deck is doing really well they need like dark blur warlock still secret mates and now there's like uh because of the um refreshing spring water spell or whatever yeah by collecting flamewaker mage and um mazaki major insane and those kilion like turns for at least it's not quest mage though at least there's a new major question just too slow yeah that's crazy it's it's insane how while like i haven't i just don't touch wow these days it's like it's got it's too far gone for me even now it's ridiculous well i mean it was gonna hit this point eventually right where you just have all the cools ever printed in hearthstone are all the cards ever printed in one format i mean even magic sometimes bans out some cards in their oldest formats um just so it's playable um because eventually you know you're you're gonna be dead by turn two or three like you said there's no time to play meme decks fun decks it's gonna be these top kind of like just four decks that just run with whatever kills you the fastest it looks like wild has basically hit that point right especially the way they're pushing power level days they just don't they just they go crazy now and you add stuff like that to wild which they don't keep in mind with these cards at all it just it's inevitable that's just gonna be a complete fiesta and it it's not an r gts select standard but it's just like a degenerate combo fiesta where you just you're the games are decided like so incredibly early it's just kind of mental i mean uh sander just decided on turn two or even turn once now but uh why not lunacy gg yeah it's uh we're gonna talk about that a little later though but before we jump into the meta here um i do i need to do this important segment that i do with with all of our guests on on the meadowbreakers podcast i'm gonna do the d-money rapid-fire this or that questions with zetty are you ready well i'm ready all right so i'm gonna ask you a simple question it's gonna be this or that it's gonna be one thing or another you're just gonna answer it pretty quickly um doesn't necessarily have to be what you prefer it could just be what you're feeling at the moment i don't know it's up to you um but all right let's begin i have about six questions here for you all right question number one flip-flops or sandals sandals all right um ice cream on a cone or ice cream in a shake what the hell is a shake like a like a milkshake a milkshake oh a milkshake i like ice cream on a cone because i like the i respect it um all right um hey loser or wasn't me well [ __ ] you [Laughter] big brain or big fame gotta go with the big brain i've been playing a lot of decolonies a lot of big brain plays all right um pirates or murlocs uh murlocs the fishy boys love it last one sweet or salty we gotta go salty man it got always salty all right i set you up for that one all right thank you for playing um yeah hope you learned a little more about zetty in chat there yeah that was some of the best speed questions you've ever done except for the shake ice cream one that one was a little confusing everyone else was brilliant though great work thank you thank you um all right thank you for playing um now we have the hearthstone meta here which is a lot less exciting to talk about yes um yeah you don't even have to worry about there it's very accurate oh yeah sorry he's deep he's deep at the bottom there he is you might as well not have it on there yeah that is the only i think it's like going into the red like there's it's usually just like orange but now now it's like it's the same color as the class um two classes are doing great that's true um yeah the others are not so yeah paladin and mage of course the classes that everybody's talking about right now um for good reason they're very strong i'm i'm honestly surprised that paladin is doing better than mage based on the games that i've played like as and against the the deck of lunacy mage it feels like mage is stronger but um yeah i saw i don't know the the the paladin weapon and deck of lunacy have ridiculously high win rates i think i saw for deca lunacy was like 72 percent drawn win rate or something like that um and like these are these classes these two classes at the top are just way better than all the other classes in the game i mean warlock honestly seems like it's decent like control warlock and like control priests they seem all right too like but uh yeah nothing compares to those two at the top there yep i feel like it wouldn't be that far off the other like if you'd be actually dialed in major back it would be a really diverse matter like demon under is a pretty sick deck like that uh the giant king crush for some reason that's better inquisitor yeah like druids got a lot of like the token stuff and scam celestial just guardian animal priest isn't that bad i think people just suck at playing it like you see like like uh rally priest and like control priest at high ranks just feels like warriors a lost cause and shaman probably kind of seemed great um i feel like yeah how pal and mage weren't so insane we'd have a lot of play right now yeah yeah looking at their win rates i mean the hunter through the the druid they're within what two two and a half percent of each other-ish uh so yeah if you just dialed back the top two everything would be within reason of each other uh which is a good point i made that point my video today like i don't think like as stupid as the meta is right now i don't think we're that far removed from good meta yeah that's exactly what i've been saying too is like that this expansion and rotation was like actually so good for the game um if only they didn't like [ __ ] up with like a lot of things um cleanse a lot of the old mistakes yeah it's just it's just crazy to me how they um release a card like refreshing spring water um and they don't test deck of lunacy mage i don't know like that's just like so weird like that you like that that whole archetype like that card is like specifically for no minion mage and like you the thing is like actually not fair at all and it's kind of the same with uh with paladin as well with like the weapon like did you know it just makes me question sometimes like how much did we test these things and like what bots did we put them against like i don't know they don't they don't have it they literally don't have resources to test i can it's crazy i they're they're pushing out so much content now than ever and their team is about much bigger if anything it's smaller you'd see the people leaving all the time there's no way they have time to test this we're the testers we are yeah i've been saying this for like well over a year and it's always true um and yeah like i i even in i did a video three weeks before the expansion came out saying the problem with the core set and i mentioned deck of lunacy might get completely broken after rotation even i'm already thinking i'm an idiot and um and i'm like janice is probably going to be completely busted and yeah like that's what's happened and and they're i know they know these things and even ama is like talking about how they're aware that the holes being better is going to make a lot better it's just they don't have the time and i think they didn't even have time for the expansion itself you saw the bugs buggiest thing ever and if you remember the pre-order dated for like the 23rd and then expansion came out a week later i think they were supposed to come out a week sooner yeah but it was just so it was it was so messed up and they're like they're trying to force them to release it so soon that they just like okay we'll push it back a week but you guys got to get this done like i feel like it's an activision thing behind why we have no balance testing and why things buggy like that and that's why we get these all the time there's no time for i really don't blame the team i feel like it's crap pushing them well it's weird because you mentioned balance testing and it's not like they have the the the capabilities of having bots play against each other we see it through like the solo campaign when you go against like an ai it's going against you so to having two eyes that they've made go against each other isn't impossible they've got deck builders and high caliber legend players on their team because they advertise to hire those players because we know they have them like chalky and then like you would think they would have the capability of like having like these bots play against each other in like a pocket and just replicate these games with the decks that they build thousands of times and they could just see outliers like paladin mage you might not get it every time right but you could definitely like to i just don't see how they don't test like i just don't see how it's that hard yeah i can see that this thing hurts to make sense but i can't see how you could possibly just put the weapon in secrets any yeah while pushing three like and then you also give them three spider tank and all this stuff it's like of course it's going to be busted um i mean i i said with my review for the they'll be nerfed this is so blatantly overpowered i even said about scabs which lost my crap that great i even say this is going to get nerfed but i'm like this weapon is going to get nerfed it's just so stupid but oh my gosh scabs is bad thank you for bringing that up by the way hold on i i don't think he's not it's not he's not bad damn it's just a powerful good but rogue makes it like redundant because you don't pay hannah for anything that's kind of the issue like scabs is a really good card in a vacuum but when your cards don't cost mana anyways you don't need him that's true but by kidding or monsanto on rank one yesterday his scabs is rogue deck so he got that right but he did lose to me though yeah um scabs is honestly yeah i think it's a good card as well um i mean there's like no way that it's a bad card um and like they it's just completely overshadowed by kazakus like because shadowstep is just way too overpowered so that's why that's why you never see it being played i mean me personally in my rogue deck that i played like twice i have scabs and kazakus in there because i think you draw pretty quickly and it makes sense like i think scab's a good cart um but uh yeah i mean shadow step just overpowered you gotta love it um it's in the course that why they didn't rotate shadow stuff that one blows my mind i've been trying to get that rotated out or into like hall of fame for like two years three years so yeah wanted that to be rotated out i don't know like many people that didn't want shadow set to get rotated out that card's it's just annoying to think even as a design concept for like the team like wouldn't they be excited to not have to worry about cars being played multiple times at the same time i remember there's a common thing from celebrate something specifically in mind for why they didn't there were there was a specific reason i i don't know i would like to hear this reason in future expansions they want genders to be playable you know be playable they already made ten woo they have a card that's like got a pseudo shadow step on it so yeah i know and why would you ever play them when you have shadows you wouldn't yeah yeah exactly like i want to like ten move becomes almost playable if you get rid of the zero mana inverse innervate like yeah yeah it's messed up all right well we have the top 1k meta right here briefly um yeah top three decks here are paladins it's like when rogue was it what was it was like stealth aggro rogue uh the secret rogue and world kick rogue those were the top three now we have three last week caledon last week guys so now we have the reform yes except the high legend all i see is a mage i barely see paladin but they always beat me when i'm playing mage so why don't they play it i don't i guess mage is too random well paladin's sometimes you know so high legend people probably don't don't usually play paladin because high legend players like to be like to think they're nine brain you know so they played no minion mage yeah i played random [ __ ] yeah right yeah and nine legends yesterday and they were all playing no minion yes though i i played it yeah i was queuing into like uh a lot of people's gold card backs and they're all playing no minion mage as well and i'm like well i wonder how they got the gm bro i wonder uh but like if you look at the win rate the weapon is like basically the same as deck of the in terms of your opener yeah the thing is you have two copies of it so it's just more consistent you're going to effectively win more paladin if you just spam paladin because you're going to find that weapon a lot more often just that weapon alone makes you win about 70 games so it's pretty good that's that's about as high as um the what was it the allura and with the tip the scales that was like 90 percent that was worse that was stupid well okay so this is this is this is an improvement from that we got a 20 improvement here boys this is substantially better we're getting better exactly yeah you guys are comparing it to a 95 win rate part i don't think there's actually an optimistic spin on this guys that was just completely stupid no no this is great yeah this is fantastic i love this meta um it's the best meta yet um okay but yeah so we talked about the i mean the 1k meta i mean yeah we know what it is um but can i point one last thing out okay last week when i brought up cutter butter watch pot watch post rogue i got laughed at by not only my fellow peers but also the twitch twitch chat community i would like to point out that watch post rogue is in fact right below broom paladin so watch post rogue gentlemen predicted i mean it turns out that you run watch posts in literally every single deck and it's not bad um so i mean that specifically said rogue yeah that you did call it that's true not cutter butter too much though being played right now um but watch post road yeah it's very powerful um especially i mean the thing that makes watchful rogue like extremely powerful is really shadow step uh because you can do it on kazakus you could do it on the the watch post guy whatever his name is um so battle score yeah um but good for you rob yeah i mean we say it all the time say it all the time like that we we do uh we do a lot of things on the podcast here so if you're watching the podcast if you never watched the podcast before you know this should be this could become a regular thing for you if you want to hear some future kind of insights because uh hey we have some clips too of like the past things that we've called like coming up in new expansions like even even uh warshack had called yeah he called the whole mechanic too before you explained it exactly like it was too like you said he rorschach was like yeah when people play corrupt cards all they have to do is play a card that costs more mana so like the mechanics built around not playing things on curve we were like i took it from the um the corrupt because at that time in world of warcraft they had they had just released corrupted gear and it was terrible it was the worst design ever in wow so i'm like of course the hearthstone team's gonna stay so uh it worked out well i got lucky love it um alright so speaking about getting lucky um we got really lucky with a lot of bugs in the expansion that just came out so let's talk about that a little bit um yeah so i mean this expansion yeah like zeddy said before they we had everybody thought it was coming out on the 23rd and then they said we're pushing it back a week we want it to be perfect for you guys all right no issues it's going to be great it's going to be our it's our biggest expansion ever and um yeah it was it was big all right it was it was a big pile of bucks and uh yeah people couldn't even queue up uh like they couldn't queue into games for for the first hour um and then it took like within the first hour there was a uh temporary fix for it and like it was to remove all the golden core cards from your deck which i was pretty outraged about because i love golden cards and i had like full golden decks ready to go and like i was so excited to play with gold and alexstraza and all these new stuff new stuff and uh yeah i couldn't even use it and then i still had to it still kept saying error error a million times it was it was really uh and everything that could go wrong did go wrong that day and uh still so many bugs in the game like so many bugs that you would think would be hot fixed because like they actually like it puts you at a disadvantage like i know there's a bug that uh zeddy had talked about um recently where i think it's power word fortitude or something like that it doesn't get reduced in your hand if you play deck of lunacy um there's like man man crick's wife like the the spell you can't even play it if you're a rogue like if you get it from secret passage um like it doesn't cost three in your deck so you can't pull it with with uh rock bar or barack in um in hunter there's so many bugs right now it's crazy and that like they're affecting actual gameplay that's when it starts like if it's just like visual bugs i'm okay with it like for a little while but when it actually like determines the things in the in the game like the outcome of the game like i don't know it's what about the shaman hero how is that not fixed before the launch like they've known about this like i don't know ridiculous like this the reason that they removed spell damage totem from the game is because it's so powerful and it determines like a lot of games um if you roll that like it changes so many outcomes and uh it's so stupid i still get it bro i play as lady bosch portrait or any portrait that's not thrall or something like that and you still get it it's fantastic yeah i had a i had a bug where my opponent played jaraxxus and it cut off all of the image besides his head so i couldn't see my opponent's health so i had no idea how much health they were at i just had to take it every time he would attack with the weapon i got a glance of him walking by and i would see a like a clip of a number so i had to go buy that every turn so i had to hope he attacks me so i could figure out how much life he was at so i could figure out how if i had lethal or not on the board it was it was terrible but also funny i ended up losing uh to top dexlerian from a warlock deck which then casted a bunch of wonderful free mage spells that was besides the point wonderful game had a lot of fun you know the grave rune bug right yes i do not the if you grave ruin your opponent's minion and kill it you'll get two of them oh yeah a crater and rotate it out though i'm pretty sure yeah it did rotate out but it's like that was in the game and that was in qualifiers as well i mean i play qualifiers every weekend and when you have bugs like this like they didn't they didn't ban grave roon that you were able to still exploit grave rune um but um spark joy cheat there is a bug and i i'm not sure if it's fixed or not yet but there was a bug that it pulls all the secrets out of your hand i thought it was two at first people were saying there's two secrets but literally pulls all your secrets out of your hand and you draw the card um so pete like the i had to contact uh the admin on battlefield because i saw spark droid cheat in my opponent's deck and i was like is he allowed to do this and he's like if he if he pulls more than one secret he gets disqualified um you know it's just like we shouldn't have to do this we shouldn't have to go through this like can we just fix it in the game like why why like this is an official qualifier like somebody's gonna qualify for the masters tour like uh and now you have this weekend um people are playing literally only paladin and deck of lunacy mage and deck of lunacy mage when you play it it feels like you're playing an exploit like it's so it's so mind-boggling like that i have to play these qualifiers like it's actually a joke like i tweeted out yesterday like have fun in this april fool's meta like i don't know what to tell you man like it's just like for somebody that's trying to like play this game competitively it's awful having the stuff in the game that's all i have to say yeah like you play like you mentioned competitively and that changes the uh kind of what you're going for uh i play on a much lesser scale than that so like it these these obviously op decks bother me a lot but like i don't lose money or lose the ability to like go to like a big tournament because of them but i can only assume like you know if you want to become a competitive hearthstone player which a lot of players do and you have to go through these qualifiers and you know you have to like contact admins because your three mana opponent card pulled all the secrets from their hand it kind of is a little frustrating so yeah definitely competitive hearthstone is uh have less honor oh the one thing i will play in the tournament yeah play paladin too i i refuse to play paladin i don't know it's just so boring i don't even want to play it like there's other decks that you can play i i think but i know i'm putting myself at a little bit of a disadvantage but i mean the the series like they're all rng based anyway at the moment like it's do you draw lunacy do you draw the weapon yes no you win you lose um it's great um i know i know zetty has been using deck of lunacy though um using and abusing it on ladder and um i i don't want to say you're part of the problem but uh i am i'm just creating more awareness that lunacy needs to get nerfed and it's all hilarious to demonstrate like how is this a thing and to show it that you know thousands of people feels pretty funny and i'm just gonna keep me but not like it needs to get married stupid but i like spell mage like i i like the archetype i've liked it's introduced and the actual course spellmage deck without lunacy is actually really good it would still be like a top-tier deck so i'm hoping that you know they just hit lunacy and like actually let spell mage be a thing because it's it's still a feedback it's still good but lunacy just yeah it creates this bug where all of a sudden uh mage can play magruder and slam on seven it's just yeah um i mean people are saying that it could be uh they could also change a cancer's flow they could also change refreshing spring water um if you're gonna hit another car to hit the spring water because spring waters yeah um but um the canter's flow is i mean so it's been around forever well for like a year and it's never been that even i remember when i built my first spelmate last season that i got top 100 i was debating cutting the encounters floats they were never like they feel that great but now with spring water they're even more insane because you get even more mana with yeah you just gain mana and you draw two cards yeah yeah that's like just mental like i feel like they're gonna nerf first start with deck of lunacy and then see if they needed spring water because yeah like spring water is even creating issues in wild so yeah so there's good it's like the best draw card i've ever seen yes yeah and when roe get zero mana draw two before you get draw to one why not and and powell gets two mana draw three push three damage why can't mage have zero mana drop to you know if everybody's getting that give hunter some draw since he took their burn away that was the reason they took you know give all the classes give yeah i looked at draw for for shamik so i was looking at like a control shaman and there's nothing there's just there's nothing oh yeah there's nothing there it's like what is it mana totem far side yes oh my god yeah that was the only good draw card they had and then yeah it was terrible yeah no they literally have nothing yeah it's only mana tide totem i think and that's that's really it um yeah so you have to hope for the lady bash stuff yeah lindy vash draws the prize you never draw the primes you can't get to the prime if you can't draw that's the thing that's true um but i don't want to talk about deck of lunacy too much because it's being like everybody's talking about all the time but i do just want to uh throw out one more thing with it um so i mean a lot of people are asking in chat right now and just in general um like what would deck of lunacy get changed to i know people some people wanted to go to like four or five mana um uh like some people wanted to just go to three mana i wonder if you could ever transform your deck into like transform the spells into things that cost maybe two more or something and that changes something i i really don't know um how do you guys feel they would just all get all librivo hopes because that's the only nine cost spell is that the only nine costs well yeah that's kind of the problem [Laughter] well not much better than yeah if you play one in cantor's flow you turn your deck into libra paladin if you want to make the card if you want to make deck a little scene just a meme and not really playable you make it for that kills you'd call it a day uh three you're still risking that maybe it's it's uh fast enough but at four it's way too slow it kills the card for competitive purposes and that's where i would think they would do i i don't even think one mana they might like i just don't think it's worth the risk it just just just does it like does it kill the card at format yeah first off you're doing four minute do nothing which you can't do in this deck and um second deck of lunacy gets way worse win percentage-wise every turn past turn two um you're playing a four you're you're just it's good enough you need to get that scam going like right away because typically you want to like deck of lunacy into like in canter's flow or like intellect cram session and start getting the cheap cards in uh you do that on you're just way too slow so and you don't want encounters before too yeah because then you then you're only getting lieberman which isn't bad but you want negron slams so put to four i there's literally no chance it's a competitive card but spell spell mage still is um if that's the only card hit and i think that's fair i mean i i wonder if it's if you put it to four i wonder if it's actually still playable because like if the if they're nerfing other things as well um then like deck of lunacy won't it's not going to become like a card that you search for in your mulligan but what if you draw it like at the in the mid game like maybe it would still be good game on your hand it's really not a good game card like a lot of times i don't play past sevens because i've already been pushing tempo and i just want my burn at that point um it's really for that early scan it's really what you're after with fair enough all right so we did have on twitter um there was so there there's been a patch announced that's coming on monday which is tomorrow uh which is going to be a patch to the bugs or a lot of bugs um i don't think it's gonna fix every bug of course i really didn't see a lot of bugs on there that i i know of but maybe there's some hidden bugs in there as well that are being changed um but yes there was a uh a patch there's a patch coming tomorrow for bugs and then there was a thing on twitter that celestron also said it and ixar did say it here as well that they're going to be meeting early next week to decide if there's going to be more balance changes coming i know celestron did hint at another patch coming like a client um update coming this week as well um so that is at least hopeful i have hope that this week hopefully they will make changes i know people are saying like maybe they'll announce it this week uh it'll probably come like the week after or something like that i mean honestly looking at the game right now and how everybody's so outraged with it i feel like it's gotta come this week i don't know i feel like you say that i think with most cards you hate though i do yes but like this is out of control after with ashes of outland i would have hoped that they would be ready for day one change if they needed it and it's kind of they'll be just getting there if there isn't so and i think they need it i think they mentioned that they didn't like doing that though they had mentioned that they like wanted to let meta simmer and to have more time to evaluate what to change and that they didn't like changing things like immediately like you look at the win rate of paladin and like probably in particular it's ashes of outline yeah yeah yeah i'm not disagreeing that it should be changed you know quickly it's just that i i think out of what they said you know blizzard they're not once they kind of do what they want to do they're gonna they're gonna do it their way right um so uh if they say something i would expect like the day after i don't think they'd make us wait like more than a couple days after they say what's gonna be changed just out of just because they made a decision on that um i will say though like doing these fast changes really sucks because like the game's expensive and when you do these when you release something kind of broken and you get people to craft it and make it right away and then you nerf it right away that really sucks too so there's kind of that negative to it if you do do the quick change which i think they need to for the health of the game but it sucks for people that maybe they craft that paladin deck and maybe they only hit the weapon but the deck's not that good anymore um that can be really and that's why they've been like doing these like minor tweaks i think now when they're more aggressive that they don't try and kill a deck anymore they just unless it's like deck of lucy i think they'll try and kill it but they won't kill spellmage as a result right so but yeah i think spell majority is not bad yeah sorry yeah i just i just think they it for the they just it just looks terrible for the games to like be a complete clown fiesta i think it just they still want to have this kind of competitive integrity thing and if they're going to leave it like this for another week it's going to be i mean tyson rank one legend with this too like it's just it's a little absurd yeah i mean to me i mean like that's cool you hit one rank one legend but like i i take a look at what deca did it with you know i i would take no pride in that i would if i if i got to rank one with it i'd be making i think ty's took pride in it yeah somebody somebody in my chat was like just hit legend for the first time and i'm like congrats actually which deck do you do it with and then we'll see if it's actually an accomplishment or not but um yeah it just feel honestly like like i said before it feels like you're like they're exploiting the game um like just by playing these cards and uh you're not making any decisions almost zero like when you play that back you're just spamming random stuff off the top and it's like margarine slams because you manipulate that and that that's that's it like you your deck is literally random how much influence can you have well you make decisions but there's not punishments for the decisions that you make you know like when you decide why don't i draw this turn instead of playing that other gram slam and you're like and then i can play it next turn and then survival afterwards you know like it's there's only rewards you don't really get punished when you make the wrong decision so it feels like are there decisions because everything just leads to the win when this goes correctly so you guys you keep saying this in a grand slam card i played this lunacy mage deck for youtube content and i got five survival of the fittest in my hand and when you have no minions in your deck and no ability to create any minions and you only draw survival unfortunately the deck is not so powerful that's why you combine it with a light switch and then you get a big board i've i have like three games out of six where i had a lethal with illidari the rush spell for demon hunter i get a bunch of one ones i played that because spendable performers into survival three games in like an hour i got a lethal expendable into survival it was so stupid expendable performers is actually a really good card at its normal value cost too like it's a demon hunter card it's pretty busted yeah yeah but it you didn't run it because it cost more than skull so getting it early sucks but like whenever you did run a deck that had expendable performers and you got to play it it was always good on turn seven because getting to trade into 14 health on the board with rush and then have a board left over is always good sounds mental it's a really good card like yeah that's what i bugs me about demon hunters everything has been built around skull because that card is so broke and you can't you have to play that and you can't um it's got to be completely busted to be over seven like sociologists or i guess the new eight drops pretty good but other than that it's like it's never worth it i'm really glad that they put the eight drops in the game and they made that death throttle demon hunter deck because they all cost more than skull so then everyone's kind of like i even played a deck to let the deck i played the the legend last week i only ran one skull in the deck because i was using the uh the vengeful souls as the primary draw package instead of skull because i honestly feel kind of tired of relying on that card um for my deck um so it i feel like with the barons expansion they kind of stopped it's it might it seems like it's less revolving around skull and i hope that becomes the fact but in reality i bet the top tier demon hunter deck in the next week will have two skulls in it so yeah this is too good i like i like the i like the flavor of the d minor stuff like this set for sure and i don't know you can tell their passion is definitely a class still they really want to give it a cool stuff yeah yeah the death metal stuff is better than i thought it was okay it wasn't bad at all yeah and that's only the beginning too so just imagine when there's actual like good death throttle cards in the game it's going to get nutty at some point throughout the year i'm sure uh i know there's going to be one of the mini set there has to be a death row of demon hunter minion with a triggerable death rattle in the mini set like what what else are they going to release for demon hunter in the mini set that would make sense for the previous expansion yeah you know but i'm looking forward to finja in the mini set he's been teased in a lot of the murloc cards so much there so far so i'm looking for ninja yeah so probably get him in the mini set right yeah hopefully he draws a bunch of murlocs and reduce their cuts make him a shaman card get yeah he's a draw shaman he's a huge draw reward off legendary that would be great yeah but overall i like i know you're talking about like the bugs and everything with like the launch and uh i i did do a 24-hour stream for the expansion i do it every time and this time around um yes deck of lunacy mage is now confirmed busted of course and and paladin is but this time around with the day one meta like nobody was like nobody had figured out that lunacy mage was broken yet um until like about the 24 hour mark so like i actually enjoyed playing like against a bunch of different classes and like the day one experience besides all the bugs it was actually pretty fun like considering everything um like watch posts sure really really annoying to play against uh like i i made a video on it i think watch posts are good for the game uh overall but yes very frustrating to play against and it does feel like you're throwing if you don't include them in your deck um but besides that i actually feel like the day one experience was was not too bad like the the pool of hearthstone cards that exist they're not really too tilting like there's no plague of death in in priest anymore so like you don't have to worry too much about like an insane board clear like the power level has dramatically decreased and the randomness besides a few things like decalinus image of course um has reduced with like lackeys being gone and all that so overall i i like where it's heading and i think uh like a few like quite a few people like where where it's heading as well it's just hard to hard to focus on that when there's so much uh wrong with the game right now feel that overall good stuff though i think i i thought day one was cool and i thought yeah like i don't think we're that far off yeah and i'm i'm so excited for hearthstone a little bit silly right now but they're going to fix it i'm confident of that and that's coming from me you know i'm i i'm i'm still excited because i remember the day one might i had a pretty glowing review for the besides the bugs yeah and yeah now the deca lunacy thing has made things absurd i think i think hearthstone will be good i felt like day one the game had so much minion-based combat it felt like kind of like a little if i felt like classic hearthstone had like a child with new with modern hearthstone and that felt really cool where it was like we trade let's go and it wasn't created by every single turn blacky's every turn it was it was just fun it was fun and now with lunacy it's someone's created by and ridiculous the board doesn't matter again but um i think we can get back to that i don't think he'll be too far away from that set's really sweet like i think his expansion was really so i'm excited just for when they fix things things you know can get to a more fun meta i like the fact that when i played a big board against like for example a druid they couldn't play like a zephyrus and get a twisting nether like classes were locked out of certain um cards now like so like if you know you're playing against the mage and it's turned 10 and you know they could probably have a flame strike and you can you know probably play around it or do your best to mitigate the damages they can't just play reno and it doesn't really matter what death rattle minions you had reborn minions you had whatever you set up because it's just gone and then for the rest of the game you just have to pray so i really enjoyed the fact that i didn't have to like there was that didn't exist like i could play cards and know this class is unable to deal with this board state that i have planned out cool i think i win yeah there's not an answer to everything like there was an answer to everything like dark skies not being in the game when you're playing against control warlock now you're like oh i'm gonna play this minion with five health then they can't kill it because they don't have a card that does five health on turn two or something like that you know what i mean like it's just things get to stick now it's weird yeah you know it's it's it's kind of like um it's kind of like classic in the in the fact like so so a lot of people are saying like um having less cards in the overall card pool like it's gonna get style and like whatever but like it's actually like like people love classic mode right now in hearthstone and like this is like the time where like hearthstone like feels kind of like classic because there's a lot less cards on the card pool you you know what you have to play around pretty much like you actually play around stuff um it's a lot better for like hand reading as well so um yeah pretty cool stuff i think they did a good job besides the obvious things yeah that are that are wrong anyone here anyone here get legend in classic yet no did you i'm a diamond nine i'm getting there you're close it's a grind it's a grind without the the bonus stars they just get like one per yeah this is the first season it was two stars but i got not nine star second season getting oh thank god so i only played uh i think i got to like silver in the in the first one um but i don't know i feel like i got my i was saying it last week like i feel like i got my fix on classic for now like it's it's nice to visit once in a while when like standard's really giving you a rough time um but i don't know like i it was nice to like get that nostalgic kind of thing like i used to play it all the time and uh it was cool but then it's like all right i wanna i wanna play with like newer stuff i don't know um and like the rank really doesn't matter like i i'm like uh all i care about is my e penis you know it's like i just want to be i just want to be high rank in like the competitive mode you know um but i mean if they start releasing tournaments for for classic i mean that'd be all about it sure i don't know about that they don't even they barely release tournaments for standard like not even bgs either but yeah and then there's that wild mode they don't care about did you know there's a mode called duels oh no yeah never heard it that was good for like two days we really liked it when duels came out like all three of us were like this is fine except worship was like but dan and i were like this is the [ __ ] we love duels i'm obsessed and then like a week later we're like i'm done i played like two games i was out i'm someone who loves playing every mode in hearthstone like i play i get legend in every format arena i play like every tavern brawl duels just i can't get into it it's just i just don't care i don't know it's i don't know what it is about that mode but it's just not interesting and i still feel what about mercenaries does that peak your interest at all i mean i'll play it hopefully it's good but we still don't really think about it like i don't know much about it at all you just know it's a mode and they're saying it's not like slight inspire and the only thing i've seen that they've commented on making me think it's like raid shadow legends like it's something honestly i wouldn't surprise me if it's like a type of game like that hearthstone mercenaries start advertising on every single channel you know except fine because the weight obvious they described it like their mercenary breakdown made it look exactly like slay the spire and then everybody's like okay cool slay the spire and then they're like it has nothing to do with splay this slay the spire it doesn't it's not like that they're like okay well then how do you describe it and then they couldn't really formulate something maybe they just don't want to be accused you'll be lazy i really hope they give them cards for the mercenaries when you win if they do that i'm happy that is the only thing some sort of reporting cool yeah it's fine i even did a prediction video on like what the new modes i think will be and my top two was they're gonna rip off slay the spire they ripped off auto checks for uh battlegrounds and my other was they love their tavern brawl or they love their uh dungeon run they're gonna make a pvp dungeon run so i think they maybe they're just embarrassed that i called them out for their uh what they were gonna do i don't know if it turns out to be just a slightest fire rip-off i call it they are watching your videos eddie look at that yeah i know they know i'm real nothing i'm the guy to hurt yeah yeah i mean hey everybody gives a lot of people give zetty hate um and i i hate to see it because i honestly i feel like i have a lot in common with seti you know the reason that he talks so much [ __ ] on hearthstone and i talk so much to the hearthstone is because we're so passionate about the game and like you can see it in like i watch zeddy's video with with regis kilburn and he talks a little bit about that as well um and like we're just so passionate about the game we want it to be a good game for everybody to enjoy like we love playing the game as well like why would we stream it if we're like all day every day like because eddie says like zeddy plays hearthstone like all the freaking time and he makes content on it when he's not playing it so like there's no reason like like he obviously doesn't hate it he loves it and he wants to be good so it's just like people gotta they they have to realize that because like i hate i hate seeing that hate on you all right well i will say lately i will say lately that hate has gone way way down and the only time i really hear that hate are people that are like blizzard sponsor type streamers that will [ __ ] on me but the actual like hearthstone audience and community is getting a lot better the more they get to know me and uh they're starting to see a little bit through some of these uh sponsored lines i think at least i'm hoping and it seems to be that way how everything has been growing so much lately so i feel like i'm not getting the hate nearly as much now that aren't actually now people are actually listening to what i say not just taking um maybe a an already used message that i'm just being some toxic guy who complains an r word and or whatever and this kind of stuff actually listen to to me now it's kind of cool that's good i'm yeah i'm super happy for your success honestly yeah yeah there's nothing wrong with the game the game that you play the most wanting it to be the best version of it that you can be and just putting your inputs on like hey this is a problem area let's focus on that for a little bit so if you didn't care you wouldn't make the content right but the fact that we care that much we make content on it and we just want to we just want to see the best game that we can yeah and like i i praise the good i know you guys when stuff's going well you guys are always on you know what the money said despite the bugs and all that day one was really sweet and there's some good stuff here and i keep you know i praise the good and i think overall right now keeps going in a better spot they're doing a lot of good like it's just the execution again is still struggling but i put a lot of that on i feel like pressure to force things out before they're ready to come i really feel like the team is i have no no inside knowledge of any of this i just my impression is they have a really good smart group there that is just like forced to get stuff out way too fast and um as a result we get these bugs we get these unbalanced things and then they they fix it they know how to fix it they know what to do later it's just there's not the time to get it right that much so there's a lot of good stuff it's just yeah there's always negative two and i think it's gonna talk about both just part of that absolutely yeah i uh yeah um i do have my match ready for me in the qualifier so we do have to i did not get a buy in the first round so um we're gonna have to wrap it up here i do have to go yeah um all right but before i go i mean i have a few minutes here a couple minutes um a dude swat two shout out zeddy really really amazing to have you on here you are our uh biggest guest we've ever had on the stream before on the podcast and just even besides the numbers and everything it is just a pleasure to to have you on and hear what you have to say about everything um so just just a shout out to zeddy for joining us here i'm just gonna shout you out in chat if you want to check him out streams all i mean if you haven't heard of him i mean what kind of rock are you living under um that's pretty crazy but um i hope you check out his stream he does stream pretty much every single day i believe and he does make youtube content all the time you see his emotes in chat everybody's got him they're beautiful um yeah please check him out thanks for being here zeddy again thank you thanks and yes thanks for joining us awesome i've always i've worked and watched quite a bit of this it'll be a part thanks for having me let's go awesome to here man um and thank you uh to our regular our other guys that we have here whatever whoever they are um thank you thank you to uh of course dracocat and uh some some other guy warshack yes um there's their links in chat if you want to go check out the regular co-hosts that we have on here and um yeah that's gonna wrap it up um best of luck in the qualifiers nice to meet your cat zeddy and nice to see you here oh man oh oh he's mowing up a storm chad thanks again zeddy for joining us have a great day and good luck d money as always later gators hope i draw lunacy all right peace out guys have a good day thanks for joining you

Channel: Metabreakers Hearthstone Podcast

Views: 307

Rating: 5 out of 5

Keywords: Hearthstone, Metabreakers, Deck of Lunacy, Zeddy, Forged in the Barrens, random, Dmoneygames, Dracocatt, Warshack, Thewarshack, Dmoney, Top Tier Decks, Nerfs, New Cards, Best Decks

Id: tCgKt0kUycQ

Length: 55min 53sec (3353 seconds)

Published: Thu Apr 08 2021