Counting down the days until Rotation. Core Set Review II Metabreakers Podcast

hello and welcome to meadowbreakers podcast episode number 49 starring your wonderful hosts we have the illustrious meme master himself warshack in the building right there in the middle there then we have on the right side everybody's favorite demon hunter draco cat looking wonderful as always and speaking of looking wonderful as always on the left side we have d money back at it again with the podcast what's up guys how's it going good man well that was such a hype self intro i don't think when most of us do those we ever get to the point where like in myself it's right here me it's really important to hype up yourself like even when i write down things in my notes section on my phone like i'll put like at the end of it like p.s you look beautiful like or like you're amazing or like something like that right yourself i write it to myself for my future self for when i look at it i'm gonna feel so much better you know you gotta hype yourself up that's insane dude i i don't know if that's normal i'm gonna be real but hey i like it whatever works right yeah yes but uh welcome guys we have a a meta breaking day for you um we we did leave off uh last week going over some of the new cards in the core set and we are going to continue but uh after we go into the meta and we talk about something else as well so yeah i mean i guess we could just dive into the the meta here it it's pretty much the same i mean nothing's really going to change until until we get a change which is not going to happen until the new card which was supposed to happen but didn't happen we won't want to happen but didn't happen let's talk about that yeah i'm glad we remembered to talk about that i think d money brought up he's like we got to remember to bring up the fact that there's not going to be nerves and then we all just kind of had a moment of gloom together where we were like oh no this is so sad um yes so we have another two weeks it looks like of the same cards exact same cards in rotation yeah yeah yeah so there's this tweet by alec dawson who is a uh who is one of the uh the important people with hearthstone don't know exactly his role but he is he's one of like the devs and um they he had previously hinted at a patch coming very soon um and then uh all of a sudden it's like yeah i hinted at it but like now it's it's affecting our timeline so we're actually just gonna not do it and we're gonna leave it for uh patch 20.0 which is where which is the big patch with the new expansion and the core set and everything uh yeah kind of sad and this is one of the times where i think we also need a preface that our three unified like feeling of this sucks is actually not the common take on the situation because the tweet and the situation where the developer announced all of this everyone else was kind of like thank you for the transparency like this is great for the tournament you know but but that is not great when you want to play with something that's a little bit different or feel like you want the hearthstone game to change a little bit um yeah so the way we were looking at the way i look at it is another 30 plus hours of streaming with the same exact cards you know and that is like probably not the best way to view it for my mental health but at the same time it's true so yeah it's rough out there knowing that we have like so much stuff on the horizon as we can see here we have the the new expansion we've got the core set which is huge we also have the classic mode which is coming out we also have the rotation which is occurring so there's just like all this awesome stuff so close and we just have what we've had for the past like you know couple months now and we're at the point i i'm i'm i'm building quest paladins um it's it's it's tough out here in the streets yeah yeah i hope they do like a trickle thing like they did last year like kind of like they give us like a they give us a card early which they did do that but that card does not make that much of a difference in the game it would be nice if they did kind of like you know how when they announced the pr the priests rework like a couple weeks early i believe didn't they do that they like yeah the the new priest cards came into the game before the rotation did and i hope they do something kind of similar like that with maybe the core set like that that would be fun if we got a one week period with the core set and the other expansion cards that are rotating out um yeah that like who knows like that it might mess up a whole bunch of decks but you know it's a week that's fine you know it like imagine just getting to use all the new cards with what exists that like even if some of the things aren't going to be balanced at least the discovery process of it will be exciting and change it up for a week and allow us to do something different um but yeah i hope they do something like that or even bring classic mode a week early you know maybe we could play classic mode for a week and stream classic mode and that'll be exciting um something give me something that's all i want that's it yeah we do we do want something and uh just uh just to go back to uh what you're saying about some people actually liking this um because of like the tournaments like the the masters tournament coming up very soon uh that is a positive for these people that have been playing and practicing decks the same decks so they don't have to change their lineup they're all good with what they have they can keep practicing what they have so that's cool for them uh but for the rest of us like we we just we want it it's we don't we don't care about you guys i don't care about you i'm not in the tournament all right i only i want my cards now um i mean it is supposed to be a strategy card game right so one would think that shaking up i mean at two weeks is i think a good amount of time to kind of build a lineup and think have an idea of what you think is good i don't know i think it stuff like that makes the tournament so much more exciting to watch when everybody is working to figure out what's what are the good decks after these changes and tournament unfortunately is i i think it'll be less exciting knowing that we're going to be watching the same thing we've been going through the past couple months you know what i mean like yeah no i mean i i agree with your concept more than the other perspective of it which the the other perspective of it is that there are really good competitive players out there that do best in very pronounced metas of one way or another so they like are really good at playing specific kinds of decks in specific scenarios so sometimes they're being not a shaken up shake shakin up meta that's the word i'm looking for sometimes there being something that's stale makes some people that you know practice the ins and outs of dax super intricately play better and i i i don't know you know what i mean like some people are gonna play better like when they've played the same otk demon hunter deck that works like for you know 300 hours versus there being like a little bit of a meta shake up where the the amount of weapon removal has to be added back into the game a little bit which changes the entire consistency of all their like draw on their deck or i i don't know you know what i mean but like there's there's ways that it benefits people from it not being new yeah i mean me personally i play i i feel like i do better i perform better in tournaments when uh when it has just been like shaken up when it's like the met is like not completely figured out um but i i definitely understand both sides of the coin and also like to go back to what you said about people being happy about it because of the transparency and and there are a lot of comments like there are a lot of positive comments on this tweet uh saying like i love how you guys are being transparent and like i like that too of course but like i mean that's cool and all but like you know i'm yeah like i'm trying to play the game you know and like it's it's nice that like we do i do want to hear more stuff like this i mean yes i did retweet it and say hahaha in all caps but i'm still happy about the transparency um it's just the the game is just it's really rough right now you know so it's nice though yeah they're transparent they they dangled a carrot in front of you and then pulled it away and they called it transparency yeah i also think our bias might have made that entire concept of there being a nerf like so much more of a juicy carrot because it's like all we do is play hearthstone all the time ever all like all week long so the the amount of excitement that new cards is to us it's just or like the meta changing a little bit is so much more exciting to us that it's you know it's probably like a little bit of our bias like us being so sold oh yeah 100 likes 100 the amount that we play hearthstone is unhealthy so like when they give us like a piece of information we just devour it we're just like it fills us so high to the top but a normal player is like oh well two more weeks that's that's nothing i play i play five games a week like it doesn't matter like whatever sure thanks for letting me know that there will be an update in two weeks appreciate the transparency and over me you know over towards us we're over here starving foaming from the mouth just like just waiting [Music] and they even showed they even show had shown penflinger on like the picture of like what like they were like when they were talking about the bounce changes they used the pen flinger art which got me really riled up because you all know how much i love that [ __ ] card yeah and it's honestly really interesting too because like when you talk about nerfing pen flinger there's like a huge conversation behind it because it's like it's hard to even think about you know what i mean like how do you nerf that card it's complicated you know can only hit minions you can only hit me yeah that was the that was the proposed change by zetti i believe yep problem fix okay that does that's probably like the only way you could change it libra paladin would be nerfed into the ground that is like all i think like if that was a situation like it's because that's how they win you know what i mean like that is literally the win condition is panflinger because it's like penflinger with the unlimited zero librums that keep coming back so since they can keep doing that eventually that's how they kill you so their minions don't get to attack you you know but i don't hate the idea of nerfing that deck into the ground um i'm sorry for any paladin lovers out there but i think the libra package has had its time in the sun yeah that was that was another one of those decks you know we were looking at the uh the new decks for the core set or the new cards for the core set uh i said last week like this is one of those things that like it looks like it's gonna be fun and then if it's actually good it's not gonna be fun and that's what i that's what i said about libra paladin as well i was like this does like look really cool and like it's really cool concept um but like then i started playing it and it was like so like you're going it like i was playing against like a a control priest with it and like it was just so boring and it's so long and i'm like oh man please don't be a thing and like i didn't even know about the pen flingers at that point so i mean yeah it's it's uh one of those things man um but we should probably get into the top 1k meadow we do have a lot of cards to go over for the corset we didn't even know if we wanted to show you guys this you know because the deck that's the best performing deck in the game is kind of it's kind of something that makes you like my bomb a bit this is the best deck performing in top 1k legend legend over all regions resurrect priest [Laughter] so yeah everybody's favorite deck is back congratulations um to a rez priest yeah it does make sense to me it's the deck has been doing very well in tournaments recently um it does just have a lot of good matchups it's just like a overall like strong deck um like if they get uh like silence is such a hard thing to come across now in the game so um like having a full board of bone wraiths or cartoots and stuff like that like it's a lot to deal with um so yeah i could i could see this being just just good like it's just like good across the board the best thing at dealing with that is like another priest deck exactly [Laughter] yeah i think the reason that res priest is up there so high is because of the three decks below it that are all i believe fairly weak to it right i think secret rogue is actually up higher probably because it's probably the deck that's equipped to bass deal with it because it runs the stunners you know like yeah the secret road has a card yeah you can shadow stop them so technically you can like make it so they can't play uh minions like you know like i feel like secret rogue would be like the best counter to raz priest like um i've actually heard that world kick is good against it i don't know about better but like you you do this like i'm sure it's still a tough matchup but um i don't know like world kick does have a lot of time to get whatever they want online pretty much um at least a little time i guess at the beginning uh and usually the resurrect priest doesn't run shadow word deaths so if you get a big questing adventure to stick and then if they put down like a convincing then you just put a lot of small guys on the side then i feel like that's that's a way to win and uh probably happens more than you think i don't know wouldn't the rogue zone be higher than the rez priest if the rez priest didn't beat rogue consistently it wouldn't be above them right well that's not the truth entirely because those decks are also getting a whole bunch of those percentage points off of how they cream out other decks like libra paladin which is right under there in tier two as well you know so like res priests might beat libra paladin more than secret rogue world kick and stealth rogue yeah and token druid here stuff like that yeah things like so that becomes part of the equation as well like we can't just fare like how good they are against one another based on how far up on the tier they are because they're also playing against all these ones i just figured with the amount of rogue like having like three rogue decks all below that priest deck and it coming out of nowhere and the popular popularity of rogue being so high you'd think that priest is positioned well right now because it can beat that half of the meta that is rogue anyway that was just what i was yeah you know i think that's whether or not that's true or not i don't know i was just trying to you can't be that bad against a drug right like yeah yeah gotta be trying to drive someone yeah just drive some assumptions based off what we see here yeah so everybody's favorite deck back at the top you love to see it thanks blizzard uh good patch and uh yeah i guess we're gonna go on to the core set here uh the fun stuff yeah now we get to do the stuff we're excited about we got past that very much so we're in the home stretch boys so yes we left off at shaman last time in the podcast so uh we got shaman here thank you do you think the alakir buff matters yeah i mean it's one of those things that like there it's not a there's a lot of cards that got buffed a little bit like like earth elemental being uh the overload is now two instead of three uh the feral spirits now overload one instead of two i feel like it's a lot of small things that maybe one of them alone just doesn't do too much but all together it does i feel like these are like good changes and like they will impact things i mean alec here like it's always been a pretty good card and it just makes it better for high rolls as well but um yeah because if there's a control shaman deck you used to sometimes run alec here and control shaman as being like kind of like a final burst thing and then that nuisera gives you automatic nightmare now so like nightmare is the one that makes it so it gets the plus five or plus four four buff with the wind fury so that turns into like a like a 14 damage burst or something so basically you can can just bring alec here andy sarah in your control shaman deck and just use as a finisher and then the health line on that makes it universal enough that you can use it to trade in some [ __ ] if you have to as well which i don't know i wonder if that matters you know what i mean but it's cool it's a slow combo yeah you know i'm thinking alec here rock fighter would be a little bit probably easier quicker yeah plus you have jade blossom so you could go like blossom rock fighter again so you get two rock fighters on alec here [Music] yeah too crazy i mean it's just a it still just looks like a good car it's always been a good card i feel um just of course with like the everything in the meta being better like just getting stronger with like the power creep these past few sets um it does make sense that they should have buffed all these cars these these old cards because now they actually have a chance to compete uh still don't know if alakia is on that level but totally could be um i mean we have a lot of changes to to overload cards like like i said before earth elemental uh only two uh overload instead of three barrel spirits now one instead of two uh lightning storm now three damage all across the board which we had talked about that's a big deal yeah that's big yeah it's helpful yeah we had talked about it in the past yeah war track if you want to take that yeah yeah you can't have it like an aoe card um that does anywhere between two to three damage and you're playing obviously lightning storm in the earlier game it's an earlier removal right so the minion health is going to be between two and three and like the fact that you just have to roll the dice to determine whether or not you get to kill your opponent minion like it's just i mean we're talking about a 33 damage difference based on what skill no so the fact that it like aoe in my opinion needs to be a clear-cut thing and we've seen that with stuff like flame strike and blizzard and twisting nether it does what it does and it's built into a field clear and it's you you either can play around it or not but what it does is it's consistent this is like just how it works and lightning storm was the only aoe in the game i think currently that had some sort of random generator on the aoe granted jogbox could be an aoe but that's not like printed on the card lightning storm was like the only like maybe it does a lot maybe it doesn't maybe i'll lose the games or maybe i have a shot yeah but because when it whipped with the overload it was so punishing that like it's almost like not worth playing because like the whiff potential costs you games yeah yeah five mana to do two damage is is is a feels bad yeah over two turns yeah that's yeah um we have uh let's see what else we got here new new card for shaman novice zapper i think this card's really really good uh yeah spell damage plus one overload one it's a one mana three two i mean that's in the core set wow i mean you would just play this in any shaman right like regardless if it's control or not you would just play this almost i think in any shaman right it makes a lot of things possible with like break points with spells like you're on turn four and you have lightning storm and novice zapper you just got like a uh flame strike you know that's true yeah i mean you are paying the overload costs of a flame strike essentially kind of yeah but that's powerful you know like you could make that happen for four mana in a turn you know like just by playing those two cards together and that doesn't even have to be what your deck is built around that can just you can do a lot of stuff and that could just be one of the things you have a four mana fl flame strike when you need it also developing a yeah it also makes um first day of school stronger yes there's a lot of cars making that's true i mean you don't really want to overload sometimes though so uh maybe but i mean it's just the one drop pool like any card that makes a one drop or creates a card like giving those classes spell damage for one minute is it could be it could be very good yeah are you guys surprised lightning bolts stayed cause i was surprised it stayed with that new legendary we saw teased for shaman the uh four mana five four plus three spell damage for nature so you have two lightning bolts it's like they do what six damage each so that's a 12 damage burst for six two mana yeah cause the card is four that's a little that's a little ridiculous hey that's that's pretty ridiculous dude yeah brucon that's that's the game yeah i didn't think the lightning bolt was gonna stay in the game because they are printing spell damage plus three for lightning [ __ ] and no that's that's gonna stay so you want to clear a six-held minion for one mana that card allows you to do it that's pretty cool yeah i'm not i'm not a fan i'm not a fan of a lot of shaman archetypes i'm not gonna lie um like totem shaman not like it's cool i guess but like not my thing i don't i don't like sport decks a lot so um like a deck that goes all in all the time like like totem shaman or um burst drama shaman always comes back to just like burst decks you know it's like you have doomhammer rock fighter this thing's this combination's been alive forever and like you have lightning bolts so you just chuck your opponent's face with like lava burst i think lava burst is actually gone now um but it doesn't matter you can do more damage with lightning bolts exactly yeah it's just always it always comes back to burst damage to your opponent's face uh that's like the main archetype for shaman always and it's not fun to me i know a lot of people love it but i'm kind of sad so let's keep going in that same direction we're seeing a lot of that so wow it that's kind of how the that archetype plays out and wow to be honest um if you're playing enhancement shaman you're you're a one-pump chump like you just throw up like huge burst damage and then you're [ __ ] like that's what you do in pvp you storm strike and you you you crit with the uh with your wind fury procs and you just like completely abl you'll one shot most classes if like your stuff procs and and hearthstone it feels like the same way like you just have these like one to two turns where you just explode and then after that you just like either have no cards in hand or you have nothing left on the board and you're just kind of like sitting there i think design style is on your opponent yeah yes so so if you're looking at what it does in world of warcraft to like what it does i'm not saying that's a healthy thing i'm just saying that i think there is some inspiration there for sure um with how it how the deck feels because i i mean shaman for a long time in a while all the different specs and it it hearthstone makes it feel very similar fire elemental got a buff too and like it does four damage now that might be even more justifiably bringable in a deck yeah it makes menacing better i always enjoyed menacing nimbus he's he's just a nice little homie so adding a random elements to your hand now with alec here getting buffed with fire ellie getting buff um it just it it's not as terrible unbound though untouched unbound is untouched yeah that's kind of surprising at least make it a two five or so like it's it's just garbage i don't know hey don't talk about that guy that way he works hard okay i used to love this card i've always wanted him to be good um because like i like i would like like a mid-range overload kind of deck i like overload decks but not when they're just like all face decks um and like you just it's just you just can't play this guy oh not good also hint if you ever do play unbound elemental that new guidance card that overloads doesn't proc his overload i did not know that i thought it would have oh yeah so when guidance when you selectively choose both cards to overload he will not go plus one plus one i learned it the hard way you know what i'm a little bit scared about boys i'm a little bit scared about other classes getting elementals printed in the next year that are [ __ ] insane with shaman because they brought menacing nimbus back so like if they print like a priest elemental that's like they give all of spell damage plus five or something or i don't know anything crazy that's like a legendary that does something nasty with shaman stuff like shaman gets access to it because menacing nimbus gives you an elemental from any class so yeah crazy thing we got to think about for the next year that rng yeah yeah when it was in the game i always got calamos off of it and that was always [ __ ] that was you know you'd be like yeah you're always like oh yeah i'll take another one of these i don't know how i'm gonna use it but it's gonna be sweet but yeah yeah and then you had servant of calamos it's so crazy if you look at like the old elemental shaman decks and the power level of like what that brung and like calamos was like some of the most powerful legendaries that we could have at that time and now that card probably wouldn't even see play well he's like a little bit more of expensive cronks so i i mean they're very similar right like calamos's effect and cronks's effects were very similar like where you get to choose all those things some of it's aoe i think the cronk's effects are actually better though right yes yeah and he's and he's he actually does something like the calamos had the the the requirement of playing an elemental the turn before so if you didn't play an elemental that turn before he's useful you can play whatever if you have gala crown he just has his effect and he doesn't he gets you the card that gives him the effect that wins you the game so cronks there's like no downside almost at all well the downside is you have to have drawn and played gallacron and if you don't he tutors gallacron so it's like compare because one of them does require a seven mana investment the other one does all and and you could say it's easier to meet the calamos effect because you could just play like a firefly or something the term before and then it turns it on you know which is one mana out of your turn but at the same time you're right though like once you play galacrine like there's no condition that needs to be met to just play cronks and do something better for cheaper yep well you know what turns me on warlock these new warlocks right here yeah they're kind of nuts dude lord i don't know alexis is a hero let's go yeah i thought this would be really good at first i think i think it's a good thing because if you're gonna play like some big demon deck you have that huge new legendary that they nerfed for no reason that pulls demons out of the deck and you don't want jaraxxus getting pulled and that was always a problem with playing him in a big demon deck but i would play him if he was like a like a hero and he didn't get like pulled from cards pulling big demons out of my hand or my deck so i think this is actually like a big good uh good buff for him but i just don't know are any of his other abilities change like does he still set you to 15 like you only gain the five armor now so you stay the same health oh cool so it's actually like a nerf and kind of it's just it's just a change and it's just i think it's a it actually it's it's kind of sick he's gonna i think he's only the only uh hero card that's gonna be in the game as like until unless they release one in the new expansion pretty she's definitely gonna remember if they're gonna keep heroes in the core set you know um but i don't know he's also he's still a nine cost card right so that is the one thing that i got kind of tunnel visioned on not thinking about when i was like oh [ __ ] he doesn't make your health 15 that means he's just good he's just a positive effect but then i had to remember like okay like do i what happens if this gets in my mulligan and i'm playing against a scary deck like weapon rogue or something like that i'm probably not going to want to be running jaraxxus in that situation it's probably not going to help um yeah so yeah it's cool i don't know if it like is going to be meta but it is cool that he's getting a new light though a new kind of yeah it's just everybody loves jaraxxus all right and if you don't then you you haven't played with him enough so um i don't know clicking the hero power and seeing the elemental come flying out of the sky down is is a good i mean even just even just the voice line you know it's this classic face jaraxxus there you go yeah perfect draco thank you thank you they have some new cards for for warlock as well like felsoul jailer and ritual of doom um i think they're pretty cool or at least the felsoul gellers is a cool card to just have in the uh in the core set so it's a unique kind of card um i don't know if it's going to be played but ritual of doom ritual no saying i was saying fell sole jailer is like a unique kind of thing i mean ritual dumas is kind of unique as well but i don't think it's that great ritual of doom is a combo card you know and that's something that we're gonna have to remember because it destroys a minion for free um and i don't know how that might be used but in the past cards that destroyed things for free on your side of the board can be used in disgusting ways so it's a zero mana card that does something that's very important if you have some specific cards so i don't know we we know rorschach loves a zero amount of cards so no like in wild this makes mechathune like way better in warlock which is kind of crazy to think about right like you have to run cataclysm really and i mean that gets rid of your whole hand but like you can just kind of use this now to just get rid of like a singular minion when you have nothing else left and there's no condition just dead that's true um we also have siphon soul being five mana um which is actually that's pretty big change i think um and flame imp dealing three damage to your hero instead of two damage oh yeah so some good some bad um i mean zoo has been very powerful recently so it's nice to see um a little nerf to that card because i that car's been around forever it's been it's been a staple in zoo lock for as long as the game has existed so it's nice to see that also drain soul i think is a pretty the most warlock card you can get and didn't it used to do two damage lifesteal two not three i think so yes yeah so i mean that's just it's like a penance it is literally penance except it's shadow not holy yeah honestly it's way better with moarg and that's still going to be in the game and that's like something that warlock loves so i imagine drain soul getting that buff will probably be substantial you know yeah i mean it's getting me excited like siphon soul drain soul um gotta be excited for like a control warlock that's one of my that's like been one of my favorite uh archetypes i guess like hand lock kind of control warlock um so getting very excited with stuff like that because i i mean healing up is is a big that's something that that warlock needs because they're always they're always hurting themselves but they need they need something to keep them alive so very nice to see that i think they did a really good job of making the warlock poor cards like equally zoo and control yeah you know like you can critique a lot of things that they're keeping at the core set but they kept like both of those elements of the game end where it's like good stated cards you know that are swarming cards and then there's also just like actual hard removal and aoe and healing like it's very it's got a variety of different things that you can push this all in which is nice yeah two complete opposite ends of the spectrum right zoo is a very fast early game deck and then you also have like cards like draxis and twisting nether which are very late game cards so it's a good spread warlock has right now yep now on to a warrior oh unless you had something else did you want to take a look at an enslaved fel lord do we have anything to say about that guy that card chunk that thing is crazy seven mana 410 taunt with cleve yeah i mean you do have the uh the three mana guy that does buff a demon it gives a plus three attack and life steal so that actually is an insane amount of life steal for a cleave there yeah yeah how much is that that's 21 right that's 21. oh my gosh that's a crazy coin though i mean this thing is is like hard to play because it still has no immediate board impact but then again broom yeah yeah but you can't do you can't do the uh the the three mana guy as well in the same turn it would be 11 mana um thank god yeah let's just say like they had foresight on this situation if that was like a 10 mana combo that would be so so that would be very strong yeah that'd be the most tilting thing ever like your opponent plays this broom and then the three mana three four give it live steal heal for 21. you would be like no yeah that that would be awful thank god yeah chat uh chat is saying uh willow another big demon for willow and that's true it's true yep and it has taunt which is uh one of the problems that if you like if you're using a turn to summon minions and none of the minions have any like thing that they can do like whether it be like an end of the turn effect or like obviously battle cries can't trigger taunt is going to be like your only other thing that you can have to just not die you know anything that is immediate you're right my bad on that taunt is immediate board impact rewind that phrase well i know what you meant yeah yeah um rush would obviously be better most of the time but taunt gives this guy a lot like if he didn't have taunt this guy would probably not see i don't want to say any play but because he has taunt and you can play these guys out for free with willow and hopefully we'll see some other cool demon synergy i think this guy is like well i hope i hope his effect also is like a cool cleave like i doubt i'll doubt that we'll like give him a cool animation but it'd be pretty cool if he like that scythe came out yeah slayed all three minions you know what i'm talking about like some reaper [ __ ] yeah that would be awesome i hope he i bet he has cool sound effects and stuff too i just usually they put like a lot of awesome stuff into these huge big boy cars they put out tom barry brought up a good effect but good point that free admission card reduces the cost of it too so then you could do the broom combo oh my god you can do the broom combo maybe you just make like a bit like a fully demon like zoo-centric deck that has like these things on the top end of it and brooms and stuff like a very minion-centric deck and that kind of stuff could work because warlock has like the best hero power because you can just keep drawing and free admission is insane d broom warlock yeah that's the only minions aren't demons or brooms and then you can do those crazy combos with the enslaved fel lords were healed for 21. i can't wait for the clips all right next is a warrior got some warrior love here um grommash that is that has changed i believe right um i'm trying to i'm just really sure it got changed is it changed i don't think it changes it doesn't change okay it doesn't have any rage on it uh okay chrome watch is the same all right i don't know just this plus it's the same but the text is different it's just his stat line is just very weird and the plus six attack it's just it looks like it's different but it's the same um shield maiden coming back that's actually that's one of my favorite cars yeah that's a really good control card and uh that's do you think she would still be playing now like yeah i don't know yeah you do it it depends where what we get because when she was back in the day when she was out and she got played there wasn't the stat line of minions and stuff that we have now so like as of now she looks underwhelming but if there's like armor support cards or minion cards that work well with armor um she she'll definitely 100 percent uh see play but d money you mentioned do you really love her what's your input yeah i mean i think that she's like just about good enough right now um and like you said like if we do get some armor support or just like control warrior becomes a thing again like a standard control warrior kind of deck then like that's an auto include and like that's just like a it's a great card overall great card her armor set is so cool that that's that's bc in that bc armor set comes off of like girl it's like tier 4.5 i don't know she the armor says she has this [ __ ] sick plus she has the cool shield like the bullard ish you know what card actually looks good the blood sale deckhand yeah that card it banks reduction that card is very strong yeah that's gonna be i mean we've seen we've seen like an aggressive kind of uh i mean in the past of course we've seen pirate warrior be a thing uh but we are losing some pirates i think we're losing southsea deckhand uh which is a big deal um and like the it's just it's just gonna be a good card and like a in a like a fast kind of warrior deck that kind of exists right now but it's like not it's not good enough but this honestly could make it good enough i'm not sure what weapons they're going to be getting in the new expansion pretty cool with reaper scythe like right like you can play it on three like play this on one hero power reaper scythe boom like that's that's not bad like is that rotating nope oh i don't think so yeah i mean just a really strong thing and has a pirate tag yeah i think we'll actually see some pretty cool weapons hopefully for the for uh reforged in the barons because there is a lot of flavor and i just the barons is just how could you not use weapons to defend yourself against like all these beasts and stuff yeah i'm hoping we see a lot of cool weapons yeah there's definitely going to be an epic weapon that is like does something where it like adds some kind of cheap thing to your hand or something you know like that is always what they give warrior like these little epic weapons that develop value of some sort super collider yeah yeah or or what was the what was the lackey one live wire lance something like that yeah that one's less exciting but yeah it was used it's all play uh it still does i honestly would like to see a big weapon similar to frostmourne in the past where each minion you kill with it adds to it and then when it breaks it summons all the minions i would really like to see some for warrior for value so like even if it's like a six to eight mana weapon have it death rattle re-summon all minions killed by this and that would be pretty exciting for me yeah we'll have to see but we do also have uh we also have war cash that's a new card and that that looks like a really nice control warrior card just a lot of value that comes to your hand like that those cards can actually be a lot of value this yeah this looks like a two mana card to me exactly it seems just like yeah that this reminds me a thought steal a lot and it still reminds me of like the hunter card um they have there's like a hunter card exactly like this whatever yeah pack hunter's pack and yeah and that that's three mana two and that's he's no play it's just too slow it's a great card every time you play it it feels great like the cards you get are good but it's just so slow yeah you're so slow pay all that mana and do nothing i mean yes but like that it's warrior is just a whole different the like the class itself like hunter cannot afford to lose to sacrifice tempo like that but warrior might be able to um so i mean i i'm kind of hopeful for it maybe a one-off card um if anything but i mean it's it's kind of cool just to have like available to you you know if if you want to like reach into your for your to your bag yeah yeah the flavor of the card is definitely great like war cash like yes that that's that's the flavor it's like a shopkins storm wind right there yeah yeah yeah yeah but if warrior gets any sort of like um spell generation like a three mana three three battle cry discover like a warrior spell or anything that does that work cash becomes a lot better but to main deck this i don't know we'll have to see where warrior lands you know what's not rotating corsair cash i just wanted to make sure that that was staying in the game so that blood sale deckhand into corsair cash is literally possible with whatever weapon you want which is kind of terrifying it's just going to be like the ultimate contr like warrior curve out action durability weapon too crazy man yeah i see her being played aggro pirate though for like an arcanite on four or something i don't really see her played role yeah definitely definitely some sort of faster weapon deck yeah just a really good card really good one meta card i mean yeah blizzard has been printing a lot of good one meta cards every single every single expansion now and just yeah they just keep making sure it's not a one three yeah make sure to leave room of judgment cheaper in um paladin when you get off a first day of school god that's true so she gives benefit on that too just just to remind you oh god all right we don't have to go oh last one i was going to talk about fiery war acts they didn't touch this card i would have liked to see them put like some sort of like death rattle gain three armor just something just put something on this it just feels so bad because it used to be two mana and that was great and now it's trash that is all yeah do you think warsong is good uh not with broom out yeah broom is just way better right well this effect never leaves that's true it does make it like it it does kind of give it like a soft taunt yeah like if you play this every minute you play after it for every turn whether you have a broom or not continues to get rush and they have that playmaker card right which gives everything reborn or what does it do makes a copy of something they get it it makes a copy with one health remaining of a rush minion that you play yeah so if you play this and then playmaker every single card you make this sounds like a some kind of like horrible otk oh no combo stop it i mean you're at six already though you're at six mana with just those two yeah so we'll see if they don't give warrior like cost reduction there's like crazy stuff that bad happens that enables otks yeah etc could get better if they do something crazy but let's just hope that they don't uh we do have to move along i do have my uh qualifier tournament starting oh yeah very very soon um but i'm able to i mean i might get a buy the first round we'll see in like 30 seconds uh but i'll still be able to wait like nine minutes before i ready up so we have we have a little time here but i just want to just want to go a little quicker here um yeah last card for warriors just this war song outriders it seems like good guard but seems okay yeah uh all right we have the neutrals here baron that's a big one baron riven there yeah so baron rivendare wasn't really played too much in the past right but um it's just like a scary card to see in the corset like going into this whole new year of like printing carts because it's just like uh they might come out with something crazy for this there might be some crazy combos here i think it's got tonk hunter like there's just it is it's definitely not a super competitive card but like it getting randomly generated or just like living on the board i mean seven health for four mana is a ton though it's a cool card though um just uh i'm just still a little scared to see if they come out there but yeah we have we have uh we have quite a few cards uh staying here that were uh that we've already had here like down those brightwing mukla we got overlord rune back he's gonna do one new cards here i think he's probably just going to be played because hand buff is awesome like i know i'm going to run it and dax with fell still executioner like no matter what yeah yes yes sir like i will run this in demon hunter decks and do fun stuff with making giant weapons with it i well when you play this though wouldn't it corrupt your thing into the weapon and then it wouldn't give the stats to it you just make sure you draw after okay seems like a lot yeah i don't know yeah yeah probably yeah um but i mean the card does just seem good i mean it is pretty cool there's gonna be like a you have to decide like how many minions you need in your hand for this to actually be like good and i would say probably like two or three oh my god hysteria with this before the nerf onto it yeah could have been i'm glad yes yes all right there's already that's one thing that definitely would have been just like this and hysteria and then just everything just got plus one plus one plus one plus one plus one oh my god that would be very annoying yeah it would be an eight card combo and you would be kind of relying on the board state but then again with wave of apathy that would have been very doable for priests because they could play way of apathy throw this out hysteria then it does hit things six times no matter what you know yeah i mean the card still just seems good as it is um yeah pretty strong it goes off once it's not bad and it gets to remove something so awesome again he's got the whirlwind axe which is a level 40 warrior classic quest which gave you best in slot um weapon for like a long time actually i think you could start it at 30 but you're supposed to do it at 40. either way whirlwind axe is like an iconic warrior weapon from like the entire middle portion of the game until like late game so well now i'll play him all right um yeah we have tail on talonford ring um he is uh that's this could be this is probably like a combo card i i don't know it doesn't really seem too great at first glance but i saw some i saw some combo players on twitter getting excited about it so um well dude i mean you don't have to be running a combo to like this card i mean like you think about like how the highlander hunter is built now you know like with polk health or something like this would just tutor your king crush or like whatever your finisher is or something like that like you could build an aggro deck throw this in there and have some kind of crazy like top end card that's in the deck as like a up or something and you always get it yog yeah yog that could be an answer you know you there's a lot of new dragons that are in the game i don't know man like whatever i mean it could be strong uh also i mean you're you're paying five mana for uh like 3-3 with divine shield taunt which is is not bad but i mean if he gets silenced you're just losing out on so much so it is kind of a risk to play him because it is the death rattle you don't get the immediate effect um it's annoying though as like a instant card on the board taunt divine shield is a pain in the ass always for most stacks to deal with but they don't have the instant heart removal for it yeah it's just like a cool a cool unique effect uh it's not it's not like it doesn't look like it's like blatantly overpowered or anything it's just like all right like i'm excited for it um yeah uh there so karen karen did get a buff yes he is no longer four or five and he does and he's a five five that someone's a five five instead of a four or five and someone's a four five uh so i mean karen is one of those cards that was like a staple and like control kind of decks especially control warrior back in the day um and i loved the card back then i just like shield maiden and i love it i love that they gave it a little love right now probably still isn't that great but i mean you got baron riven there now so hey yeah all right seven mana seven seven i wish they would have updated the card work to be honest on any of the classic cards that they've read done i would have liked to sit here and have new artwork no offense pretty [ __ ] oh let's look at the new let's look at the new nas that card makes me so [ __ ] pumped um the the bullet hearthstone yes it's a big change big big card here so this is my idea boys let me know what you think so i don't think it will matter if people are sniping you if you're playing a game with double gnaws in decks because the time that you have to do your turns is going to be so quick that i don't think like being able to look at your cards will give you that much of an advantage you know so i feel like with this card you can do actual channel point rewards on twitch to play your viewers and then you can actually have really good bullet hearthstone games because you don't have to tell them they can't watch or something because you just are playing as 15 second turns for everyone and it's so fast that it doesn't interrupt like the normal content because the games will be like three minutes long it's it's the perfect thing if you're for a twitch person who wants to have a reward for playing viewers you can do bullet hearthstone and have a bullet deck unlocked that's gonna just play people while they watch you uh it's great i mean they guess i don't know i wouldn't say that they they can't really snipe you like i'm sure that that information is still going to be useful i mean um but yeah that that is a good that's a really good thought for like a channel point reward um and i'm like just like i like i mean the main it depends on which deck you play like if you do a control bullet deck then it does matter but if you play an aggressive one it doesn't i mean i was sure portia i would have liked to see them stack this or stab this card more competitively to be honest like make it like a seven minute ten ten like why not it gives you a reason to put it into your deck for like if you're playing a control deck would you not play like a seven mana 1010 dragon i don't know i just i mean i just feel like if you status all right slightly more competitively do you know what you're getting into because whenever no no because if you randomly evolve into a seven drop or like transform something into a seven drop and then you get a a 10 10 like it's a little too good and like you're you're not gonna like it no right now there's four mana eight eights and you're gonna complain about a seven mana ten ten there's a there's a twelve there's an eight man at 12 12. i'm kind of on rob's side on this one honestly okay i like i like your point i would make it a nine-nine personally i think um i'm doing the blizzard nerf on your on your idea there and uh nine nine okay then make it an eight man at 12 12. just like deathwing then just make it compete make it static competitively but the effects still be bad so it still has a downside you know what i mean there's still a downside to playing this card but at least it doesn't like right now the card just sucks the card is bad so it won't get played but if you stat a card competitively and it has a cool effect you'll get those meme games where yeah i'll play this in my highlander whatever control deck and if it happened you know what i mean i just happen to have a good on curve play and then the best case we get a youtube material because the opposing player might be memeing with it too but if you have like a really niche effect that isn't that great and you also have a poorly stated minion you're gonna get a card that sees no play so while they tried to make this card really cool they actually killed it across i think it's exciting to think about bullet tournaments and like structures of playing like i want to make tournaments where everyone has to put this card in all the decks because some decks aren't going to work correctly in this context like you can't play libroom paladin like with nasdormu because like you'll get to the turn where you have of the librums and all of the pen flingers and you can't do that in 15 seconds it's literally impossible so you can't play dax like maybe you can't play otk demon hunter that's not gonna work either you know like you can't make those decisions correctly in that amount of time and there's a lot of decks that you could just not play a bullet style so i think it'll be really fun when you when everyone starts building decks to play in 15 second turns to beat other people's normal decks that they play to beat people in 15 second turn so have it's like own little meta would be great sounds like a bunch of face deck yes but yeah or or a deck that is a that just destroys the face deck so fast that there's nothing like that there's going to be control bullet decks too you know like i like to counter the people doing that i think i think like that's like the whole use of this card is for like those kind of tournaments and i think those tournaments would be freaking awesome and i would want to enter them like i want to hold tournaments like that but i mean i also don't want to hold them because i want to enter them myself because i think that is like an amazing concept and like everybody's been wanting something like this like people have been wanting like a mode that was like this for a long time um and like that's probably not gonna happen but this is like the closest thing we have and have being able to make tournaments with this card uh where everybody has to use this card i don't know i think it's a i think it's amazing i'm very excited about it um and i'm still gonna try it like that i'm still gonna try it the first day and like put it in my deck to try to like try to have some 15 second long uh turn games uh i doubt it's gonna work out but um i i i'm loving the meme i really like it i do have only like two minutes here uh before i have to all right we can wrap up then um yeah i mean we i think we went over did we did we go over the dragons last time maybe we went over a lot of the dragons that already came out but not the ones that were done extra like one thing i always wanted to point out this card the onixia is it does the schuma effect but it's on the gruel context so if your opponent's like i watch other people review this card and all of them miss this where it's like the it does it on your opponent's turn too yeah that's true where it's like so if they clear [ __ ] at the end of the turn it fills up before it becomes your turn again and like vice versa like if you clear stuff on your turn it'll fill up at the end of the turn yeah it makes it really really actually like pretty pretty damn good yeah if you don't mind your board being full sure every single turn because it also makes you unable to play minions yeah so there there are uh quite a few cards that we didn't get to go over a lot of commons a lot of rares as well if you guys want the link i'll put in the chat right now to to all the cards in the core set um i do have a tournament qualifier tournament to get into in just a couple minutes so we're going to wrap up we usually do a q a section at the end of the podcast but don't have too much time right now i am sorry um but uh yeah still had i still had a good time with you guys thanks for being here appreciate you shout out to the sunglasses that got free advertisements during the podcast this time because d-money's ad blocker wasn't on lovezeny.com nice sunglasses there you go boom men's rectangular prescription glass they look stylish wow highly recommend um i actually am trying to get a sponsorship with the i i probably shouldn't even say it all right all right we are uh we i pay him he's doing it for free yes exactly i always promote your your glasses on stream so now pay me to do it please um yeah thanks for having me guys exactly uh i shouted i shouted out the the hosts our our co-host in chat warshack and dracocat please check them out guys there awesome good friends of mine as well we're actually going me and worshack are going to draco cat's wedding this year and it's going to be very exciting so uh yeah just to give you an idea of of the friends that we are you know very cool no big deal all right good luck in your tournament man slay it uh have a good day chat enjoy d-money um and lovely podcast as always gentlemen thanks thanks for having me i had a great time thanks for having me also good luck d-money peace [Music] you

Channel: Metabreakers Hearthstone Podcast

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Keywords: Hearthstone Forged at the Barrens, New Expansion, metabreakers podcast, dmoneygames, dmoney, warshack, dracocatt, thewarshack, new cards, rotation, nerfs, card review

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Length: 62min 9sec (3729 seconds)

Published: Thu Mar 11 2021