Metabreakers initial dive into HEARTHSTONE 2 // Core Review!

good morning afternoon evening gentlemen ladies we've got another metabreakers podcast coming at you always sunday one o'clock eastern standard time with your hosts looking good as always we have a draco cat with a nice oh my god tank tops tank top hats muscles new headphones oh he's a new man the other side of him on the other side of me we've got the money games in the void of darkness which he crumbles when he loses the priest first priest matchup but he will be reborn again today when he does his qualifiers right after this podcast so you got to stay tuned for that as well you got d money games over there looking good as always and you have me currently with a headache battling it fiercely nanobots are at their finest but they're they're currently losing the epic battle you have me warshack the worst one of them all yes good at what is it weekend gentlemen how's it going hello chat hopefully everybody's doing well happy sunday yeah i don't have the tattoos out like draco i'm i'm gonna get tattoos one day not yet but draco's flex and he got a new tattoo uh the other day and uh he's just he's just showing off the collection you know her collection dude it's like a strategic thing okay when you get tattooed you don't want to put a shirt or fabric over top of it right so clearly it was this is true yeah i'm thinking one tattoo i appreciate it appreciate the kindness this is the meta welcome guys to the podcast we're going to talk about the uh the new core set today um like what classes are are getting what classes are are losing what classes are gaining and uh we're just going to breeze over the meta today so i mean just looking at the meta just seeing quickly if anything really changed too much uh you guys notice anything too different i don't know i i mean weird hair i don't think i think it looks kind of the same right i mean it's just so strange seeing paladin up there i mean they they're really they've been doing so bad and see them i'll make it all the way to number one this week it's just so strange such a hard deck i mean i think they've been on the top for the past like three weeks right four weeks they've been on the top for like two months yeah forever [Laughter] yeah so we're just gonna breeze over the meta today guys i mean nothing's really changed with it the more exciting stuff is the core set and also we're gonna try to keep this uh this podcast a little shorter today because uh i do have qualifiers to uh play in starting at two o'clock so uh planning on ending right around that so let's uh let's dump let's let's go into this uh this core set here so if you guys i have not heard uh hearthstone's getting core set uh which is uh it's like a rotating set and it's like a rotating basic and classic set that everybody gets for free and these are the cards we're gonna go over the cards that um the classes are keeping that they're that they're gaining slash just keeping in in the core set and like what the important stuff is and uh maybe a little bit of what they're losing as well and uh yeah so yo click the the first one the 2-2 clicker the yes this is a card the demon hunter needed we had a charge minion but we never had a charge with lifesteal so since we can combine this with ilganoth for a two mana deal four to our opponent's face and bring it back this card is probably gonna be good um so and she looks really awesome too you know she she lost her parents her backstory is super brutal definitely definitely google it there you go that's what i have to say about this card needed we we needed this yes yeah i mean it's a good card um she's not twin slice but it doesn't really seem overpowered so i'm not really like too like it's good and like charged a lot of in this core set and like there's like they took away charge from stone tusk boar they took away charge from bluegill warrior um so uh charge is actually like a rare kind of thing to see nowadays or it's exclusive to class legendaries now because the charge minions are now limited to kanye korvas that's we're going to call her it's pronounced that way what and um there's king crush and alec here all class legendaries so i think that's chill you know like you can't like build a deck with multiple charge minions pretty it's cool yeah right yeah it limits the you know the chance that they have it right it's not like they can play two copies before cron in their deck and like the likelihood them having it is is high right but with only one of them it's not as feel bad against to lose pose or maybe that's the concept they remove the old charge minions so they can print new ones because that actually does make sense like maybe they want to print more charge minions but they didn't want to allow there to be a certain amount so you could put them all in your deck but now they're like okay we can print like a neutral charge minion and this set or something like that i don't know man probably not probably not right but i don't really want charger indians now um i know you don't but some people like it i'm i'm glad we don't see the line hopper here with blood thorne i feel like that would be kind of crazy right yeah like if you could get her for cheap oh yes like if she reduced the cost yeah i feel like you know you would definitely play this chick in that deck though because she it's like a good card because you can play it offensively and defensively right you know like if you need to make a value trade cool you heal too if you don't have much to do with the last two men in your turn maybe just develop this throw it into their face heal a little bit maybe trade it into a one two i don't know yeah it's just an overall good card yeah um and it's really not like that scary like sure you could do sure you could like put it back to your hand do it again it's kind of like pen flinger in that kind of way uh but you have to play you don't care it's playing wait what you don't care about the effect so you're saying i mean not normally like it's just a good card and then like if you do find yourself in a situation where you're like okay i'll bring it back i'll use it again you know like i mean we don't we don't know what they're coming out with in the in the set there could be some stuff like some cheap outcast cards that actually work very well with it i i have no idea what could really um come of it but i don't know i think this card is just good like when i when i saw ilganov that's like when they first revealed ignoth i immediately went to twitter and i said this is going to be a problem can't wait for it and lo and behold it is but this one i don't know i don't i don't i don't see it being a problem i just think it's a very good card it's cool yeah yeah i like cards like this i've had it for you like yeah it just it's nice fun [ __ ] all right we can move on sorry uh well now it's just closed sticking around that's i think that's a pretty uh pretty big demon hunter staple it's in their like main kit and wow i used it all the time when i was tanking fun ability we like that [ __ ] oh yeah dude the war gloves being cheaper is really exciting for me yeah so i like love that card so there there are cards uh in here everybody that's uh that's watching or listening uh that were changed as well so uh one of one example is warglaives going to five mana instead of six mana but it didn't didn't lose the durability it did yeah it did yeah so it's no longer a three four it's a three three but i think it's probably still good because you have that extra swing that you get off the last one anyway so like if you needed to remove three minions you still get to go face after you hit the third minion like because that's the way they work remember yeah yeah so i feel like it's probably still worth it because you could still like smack a minion and then with the la with even if you don't have the weapon left you still get to carry all the attack forward so uh there's a new card here yeah new card here illidari visitor inquisitor dude it looks like a dementor king i love it um but yeah everyone who thinks this card is super broken is um being very optimistic about there being a new archetype and i don't know if that everyone realizes that like yes it is better than king crush but when was the last time people played king crush like on it like not attached to bran and demon hunter cares about running skull of gold on and anything more than that like ruins the whole draw package of the deck so if this works that's exciting but i it's a really strong thing it's a strong thing you know what i mean yeah it is it is strong it doesn't fit in anything we know especially if you reduce it with the raging fel screamer then it uh it does become a lot stronger but i mean this is really only dealing with the board and uh in the past demon hunter does go face primarily or like they they want to smack the opponent's face for a lot so if you're slowing down especially with eight mana or like nine mana because you have to attack as well um then it might not even be it might not be so good i mean you're going to clear something you're going to have a decent sized guy on the board maybe but that's your whole turn pretty much so it might not be as good as everybody's thinking but it is it does still seem good i mean it's not it's not bad but um yeah yeah he's just a big chunky demon could be it could be good but yes if you ever if there's a way to give demon hunter uh win fury at all the double attack will lead this to possibly be like otk potentials like the first thing you think it was like how would you give demon hunter the ability to attack twice with this weapon and that would be through zephyrus giving you a doom hammer or the the shaman right yeah the shaman checks which yeah yeah she gives you a hero plus two attack and wind fury so yeah so those are the only two ways zephyrus is rotating the other one's a shaman card that you know demon hunters not supposed to happen it's not supposed to happen all of a sudden there's like otk potential i hope that doesn't happen that sounds disgusting oh yeah yeah i don't i don't like where your head's at rob i think you you know i'm thinking i'm just thinking of how this card becomes broken currently it's good it's not great but it's fun oh my god i hope wind fury cannot be obtained in demon hunter even as a demon hunter player because that just sounds like i would hate that um nothing else too crazy for uh demon hunter they do keep a lot of good cards um here it looks like but draco is saying that they lose some important cards as well yeah like twin slice blade dance consume magic those cards those are the ones that people play a lot um it's like uh the nether walker i believe she's disappearing how much cards no one cares about you know smith looks good though that car looks sweet right there the three-man three-two outcast give your hero plus three attack this turn it's decent i yeah that would be kind of that'd be a little bit too strong at least he has like the cult cultist neophyte body you know where you can just easily ping it down but it's like flexible you can use it defensively you can use it offensively you can like hit a menu with it you know i don't know i imagine it'll probably be pretty good in some form of aggressive deck which is like all of them usually so sweet yeah yeah i really like uh i really like the corset a lot um they they did a great job with uh like the buffing and the nerfing or like just like all the changes they made to a lot of the cards and like even the new additions like they don't seem overpowered and everything which is great um they just seem like good and and just fun i guess um so uh yeah like you if i'll link a a page in chat if you want to check it out for yourself um but i really do like a lot of the changes and we're gonna get into more of the changes now but um really happy with it so far i mean here's one right here cenarius got a a buff um and this is like exactly fine yeah this is what i don't even know this is exactly what hearthstone needed was cards that weren't played or like under uh cards that weren't like as good as everything else just blatantly um and underplayed they they needed a buff and like they needed to do this like sick cyclically psycho cycly psychically sick i do not know what word you're looking for so i can't help like like part of a cycle you know it's like let's go it'll be sick like it's it's cyclically right i think that's actually how you [ __ ] i don't know bro does anyone in the chat know a word he's trying to say because i don't no it's like if you if something is like cycling then you say like it's cyclical right i think that was i'm saying god i think you got it that time yeah i just maybe i'll make it up a word cycle we go through you got it thank you chat um yeah but this is what hearthstone has needed for a long time because there's just so many cards that weren't played and just just blatantly not as good as other cards so uh they needed a buff and this is like perfect so cards like cenarius that haven't seen the day haven't haven't seen the light of day in a long time uh now it's getting a new life and it still might be [ __ ] but it's actually like it's actually kind of all right so yeah i mean nine minutes just so much like in comparison to like what we can do now like for nightmare man of the difference between cenarius and yasera like it's it's like not it's a joke right like what you get from yasera versus snaris still at nine mana why would you ever play this card so at 8 mana you know you have some competition to like play it even though it's only one mana it's uh it could make it playable in some sort of token deck or choose one deck in the future maybe yeah i mean it's not it's not a huge change but like it's still it could it could find its way into something now that it's ancient war unchanged that's kind of sad yeah yeah he sucks i don't even know how the cards in the game still but yeah i i think they didn't like force of nature ancient abort and innervate all st unchanged like why yeah who's gonna play ancient of lore ever it's that's that's really sad and in the game though they're so cool they're like big ass trees that like stomp around they look so cool and then like in hearthstone they're just like pathetic uh mark of the wild though give a minion two three instead of two two i don't know how much that will change but it's now a competitive buff at two mana instead of just being like something you would almost never pick yeah it's actually actually pretty good nice change yeah that's a that makes like the one two curve like for like a deck in general just very powerful like if they get like enchanted raven on one into it turns into a four five and two and that's that's all taunt yeah we're taught it's [ __ ] solid uh the nord drazzle druid card also is fairly interesting uh given the fact that she reduces the next spell you cast his turn by three meaning you're you're basically playing paying one mana for her you're paying your you get a one mana three five which is pretty good if it's into whatever detection fits we don't know yet and she's very strong look at that art man what a babe yeah she's she's growing some tree thing she's like the kind of druid you bring home to meet your mom i've been saying this um okay so trey goes into night elves um but yes you heard it here this card uh yeah it does seem pretty good this is this is a card that like kind of embodies like the druid class identity right um it's kind of similar like if you played like magic the gathering type games like i used to play a a game called force of will and like the green kind of faction or whatever like that's kind of what druid is and like they they want to like kind of ramp up and and uh play minions that make their spells cheaper stuff like that like just like cards that deal with with mana and like i don't even know how manipulation of mana exactly yeah which is like earth elements and [ __ ] horse [ __ ] which is manny yeah definitely yeah so it's all the forest unchanged uh nourish unchanged like um yeah i mean there's still i mean seoul the four is still played right now nurse still played as well still yeah i wanted i didn't i either wanted to see new cards for the slots or cards that we have changed that that's those are the ones like the two things i wanted to happen for almost every class and um dean hunter had a lot of changes in it this seems pretty pretty not changed to be honest we've had like four changes we have cenaris mark counts raven druid lady feral rage five cards that i also have the monastery as well that's a wild card scroll down yeah i mean there's there's a decent amount for each class i don't know if demon hunter necessarily had more drew to the claw got buffed i see that oh yeah that's true a 5'4 with a rush not charge yeah would you consider that a nerf maybe nah definitely a buff this car hasn't seen play since like classic hearthstone uh it's been it's been a long time back when it's been a long time um so still probably not good enough but it's at least probably halfway decent if you get it randomly at least you know yeah five six with tons it's probably not good pretty good uh before we go on the hunt he's good maybe you're right yeah i i think a bee stack actually might be viable you got menagerie ward in here that's coming back and there is a uh new druid beast that's actually like the very good mm-hmm he's got frenzy on him too yeah i'm trying to pull up the card i don't know where it is but really good druid beast coming so this is kind of scary with it um could see a beast arise they still do they lose wing guardian is that a beast that's that's a beast yeah they lost it that was from the uh the minis that in gallacry's awakening he's gone thank god and risky skipper oh thank god yep yeah from the same [ __ ] also um like they brought back landscaping so definitely treants aren't going anywhere there's no way that they would keep landscaping and keep like seoul the forest and force of nature if treants weren't going to be a continuous package in druid in my opinion yeah that does seem kind of interesting um so i mean that'd be right druid is losing savage roar which is a big deal for a deck like that well they have other buffing cards i i honestly think that's healthy um especially with solar like what is it lunar solar whatever one that doubles the the spells i think that's a healthy way out we it gives it room for other stuff i mean solar eclipse is really really strong and i think solar eclipse plus savage work together in the game existing is way too good so i'm glad they lost one of them yeah and i think that's pretty good cheese um yeah i can't believe lock and load is coming back it's because they brought that card back during the doom and the tomb event and no one played it still but they brought it back and made it cheaper i played it it's so fun it is they really want someone if they really want us to use that card for sure it's so fun yeah i love i i hate hunter hunter's always been my least favorite class until demon hunter um but lock and load was like that was one of the the hunter decks that i'll play like spell hunter with rocktop and stuff i mean it was just such a fun deck like it wasn't super competitive but it just felt like your opponent was just as confused as you were so that was always a good time yeah lock and load being changed to one mana actually makes it like seem pretty good not gonna lie um it's still like you still as a hunter like it's hard to really slow down because you don't really have too much healing and you need to usually be on the aggressive side or just keep the board so but that's why that's why two mana for this card was so bad because you're it's a lot of your a lot of your mana like you want to be developing something every turn and uh i don't know this this actually kind of seems promising especially with like the tracking change as well that uh tracking just doesn't feels bad now no that's the record it never feels bad and i wonder if that's because dex now like normally thinning your deck would be a fantastic thing right like you get to discover or pick a card off the top one of the three and then the cards get lost and then it just thins your deck to like other things that synergize whatever you picked but now we're in a state of hearthstone where like losing certain cards from your deck just kind of ruin like huge parts of like combos that you have so that's probably why this feels good right is because you get to keep those cards that you're in your deck and you don't thinning out your deck may in fact not just be a great thing anymore you just kind of want everything right like why why would this feel better um i mean thinning out your deck uh is usually like only bad in like a control versus control match up because you want to watch out for fatigue um but like otherwise like thinning out your deck is is super good if you have the mana for it um i guess at the same time it changes the whole way you play the card though because like beforehand you didn't play tracking when you had like one mana left because you just wanted to thin your deck out you like usually kept tracking in your hand so that you could find something specific when you knew exactly what you needed to find off the tracking to make a difference in the game but now with that you can prepare ahead of time so it's like okay i play a two minute card on turn three i have one mana left over i'll play tracking with it to find the card for turn four and i mean that doesn't feel bad anymore where like beforehand you would think like okay i don't really know if i want to thin my deck out yet and get rid of stuff early in the game because i don't know what i'm going to need but yeah i get true yeah there's no there's no downside to it right now yeah no punish you can just fit it in which is weird because we'd always view thinning deck as good so it's just weird to think about yeah but there were situations where you did want to get rid of some cards in your deck like bombs but bombs will be rotating yeah that's super situational though yeah um but yeah tracking uh right now uh and this new selective breeder card discovering a copy of a beast in your deck um these are very synergistic with um the fact that dire frenzy is coming back for hunter which is a big thing very big and hatchet yeah super cool fair shark is like my favorite ever but the craziest thing is is like the ultimate like nut with bear shark was bear shark into hound master but hound master is dunzo's he is gone so now you just got bear shark but with no hound master to back him up so i'm excited to see how he can be like you know utilized better in this set you know yeah there's crackling razor made him good definitely pushing for like a beast uh hunter which is really a good archetype to me i don't know i i like mid-rangey kind of decks the only decks i don't like are aggressive and combo decks which is like all we see in the meta right now um but i like i like mid-range and control decks and this would be a hunter deck that i would actually play like a mid-range kind of hunter uh and that's that's like the one of the hundred decks i that i that i used to love so really cool to see beasts get some some love again i know they lose kill command and unleash the hound but um quick shot space hunter support too though you know that's true yeah not not thrilled about that awesome quick shots animation is cool though guys i don't love face center i just gotta point the stuff out sometimes you know like yeah yeah got some interesting stuff yeah let's do mage i love the legendary but i also think it's really confusing i i don't want to get into this too much because we have to cover a lot in a short amount of time but they used to go they got rid of cards like echo and in rage to get over to keywords like that and then they're printing [ __ ] like man crick and age win where it says things like death rattle the next minion you draw inherits these powers which is super vague and like there's no definition of what that means we can only assume so it's crazy that they're putting keywords like inherit the powers into the game when they were like not able to play things like enrage sorry the end yeah it's interesting wording right um i don't think it passes on other buffs but i don't know yeah we'll see i don't think it would do that because that sounds just overly broken if you could just like buff this card for like another plus two spell power it dies it has four and then the next minion inherits four and that just seems outrageous the effect is crazy sounding because like the death rattle pops you don't draw a minion necks like you draw a spell but then it says the next minion you draw so that means the following minions doesn't potentially draw the next turn gets it yeah it doesn't matter what your next card is it's just whatever the next minion is gets it yeah we that's not normal we don't have cards that have tutor like or passing effects that with cards that aren't in your hand well maybe that's just now it's the passing of power it's like jedi's it's cool yeah it's glad i'm glad that like a class besides demon hunter is getting a unique uh effect now and this is i mean it's not like the biggest effect but like it's actually well i mean it's actually kind of it is because you have cards like caldera drake coming back because now your hero power does three well no no no that doesn't affect that the spell damage what are you talking about oh yeah yeah you're right wait yes yeah you're right for some reason i don't i don't know what the hell i was thinking coffee coffee um i just imagined lab recruiters with that effect on this is actually horrible you know like cone of cold shooting stars doing like five damage each because you're playing a lab recruiter that's giving plus three spell damage so every one of those is like a four mana ping stuff like that it's probably what yeah this is an auto included like any burn mage deck just because you you don't even lose out on really anything because it's a 5'5 and has two like the card itself is good already like with just the spell damage um and then the pack the fact that if they don't silence it which silence is really hard to uh to get nowadays so if they don't silence it then the effects just going to keep going on forever and uh you're going to be able to play one mana cards that have spell damage plus two and if it already has full damage plus one like yeah it's it's actually kind of crazy the more you think about it yeah it's cool it's cool it's a really cool effect um it's a five minute five five so you don't sacrifice tempo to get it out either you know like not much like i mean given like we wouldn't really play a five minute five five but that's not like a bad body to be attached to that effect especially for a spell damage plus two a five minute five five plus two is actually really good that image plus two well normally the premium for spell damage plus two i mean i remember the days that we play a what was it a four mana two two spell power plus two that's that's the price we paid in freeze mage for plus two spell power was playing a four four all right yeah paying for me so now we pay one more mana and we get three three more in stats and the effect could possibly persist forever i mean that's that's nuts nah it's gotta be good yeah then we have uh koldara drake is coming back is a six seven i believe it was six six last time yep um yeah and like this car is all right i mean you have a coming back with fallen hero which is a combo but that really saw too much play unless you could reduce your hero power some way or uh yeah unless you could reduce your hero there was the combo with um domu you get the rag hero power and you just go to town okay yeah that's true so i mean it was a high it was a high roll deck super fringe but it was there if we see more hero power synergy synergy that could be a thing but probably not but uh flame strike though flame strike five damage instead of four damage this is a car that's been around forever and now it's uh now it's actually an epic as well which is kind of cool um oh i didn't notice that good catch thank you uh but yeah five damage that's actually that makes a pretty big difference uh there's there are a lot of times where i i i find where uh my opponent does have a board of five health minions and flame strike would not do the job like especially coming off of like zephyrus so i know zephyrus is not gonna be in the game anymore but this card is really not it's really it actually looks good to just run in your deck it's going to make like big spell mage possible like potentially if they have support cards like that too you know like if they were like cards that were like play a spell from your deck like think like [ __ ] find it like cards like tortilla and pilgrim become stronger with cards like flame strike yeah so to like any of the old school big spell cards and you could use a board wipe like that to make like a control like a classic control mage actually work and that's pretty sweet i like it what a cool buff babbling book is coming back uh pavlin book yeah i mean i just no we only got 13 minutes left yeah yeah that's i'm just like i'm just like going here uh shooting stars arcanologist a lot of cars from age actually once people realized it was good yeah it'll be good especially with the spell damage now as well yeah yeah recruitery so one man possibly kill three minions and you know it doesn't need like a vision so like if stealth rogue is a thing shooting star will be like a huge tech against um you know rogues snap freeze is very cool so yeah you got ethereal conjurer coming back as well actually a lot of cars from age um and uh yeah ethereal conjurer coming back with one extra health and it's a six four which actually makes it like a really solid card i feel um i don't know if it's still good enough to run but it is uh it is solid yeah a lot a lot of good things for mage actually i don't know people were saying that mage didn't really like mage people were saying that mage wasn't in a good spot because they did lose a lot of cards like sorcerer's apprentice uh frost bolt pyroblast uh stuff like that frost nova but i mean they actually got like a lot of good stuff i feel so the spell damage stuff is tempo when you use it correctly and you still have cram studies and stuff too to keep like a crazy draw package with all the spell damage too so should be cool should be obnoxious do they have front to power still why uh power they should yes i think yeah yeah yeah yeah that's from but no that's from the spell mage set so i think that might be is that ashes you trying to they trying to [ __ ] you think about spellbinch no minion mage horseshoe no minion yeah yeah i just yeah yeah minions so it's still in all right cool yeah not sure um but we got paladin um they get a new secret it's very cool and they got a bunch of new stuff here yeah new secret actually seems pretty pretty dang good not gonna lie um they do get pursuit of justice new card there um pretty interesting plus one attack to silver all right silver hand recruits you summon this game uh meaning like that whole mid-range package of paladin with the dude paladin could be coming back because we've this past expansion we got a ton of it um and if they're bringing back stuff like pursuit of justice they're bringing stuff back avenge war horse trainer all of this uh stand against darkness all of these cards synergize with um that new pursuit of justice and the new um paladin legendary the five mana five five your dudes get divine shield i don't know if you guys played against that deck but once they play that they summon like three one ones with divine shield and taunt it's pretty intense because they just start buffing them up it's hard to deal with like it's surprisingly strong yeah like i i think this is one of the archetypes that like people are going to be excited about but then once it's actually a thing they're going to not like they're all not going to be happy yeah a lot of people don't realize how powerful old quartermaster paladin used to be um yeah or how uh odd paladin used to be like how just how strong summoning one ones are every turn if you don't deal with them you die so um yeah i don't a lot of players don't realize the the dudes righteous protector is also insane they're getting like the best one drop ever for paladin coming back yeah very much so yep just starts the curve going out perfectly because it's so hard to remove that from the opposing perspective on turn one especially if you're trying to remove their minion and develop tempo on turn one it's like impossible you can't get rid of a divine chill taunt on turn one usually yeah a lot of things coming uh coming back and being changed for paladin you got holy light being changed to eight health restored now instead of six uh pretty pretty pretty big uh that's a that's a really good heel card uh yeah third of your health for two mana uh then you got equality it's going to be three mana now um which means i mean that's still good it's it's it's like actually like maybe playable now ish actually pyromancer is gone yeah never mind um it's an auto include you do it at three you have to think about it right and four is unplayable it's actually like three i guess yeah it's worthy of thought i think guardian of kings got a buff by one health i'm not sure i don't i don't even know he got a buff and he got taunt oh i didn't even see that yeah isn't that crazy actually a decent card no yeah yeah it might be play i mean his name is guardian yeah now he's got taunt dude honestly what scares me the most about the paladin stat is the reckoning card because like every card that you use in like a minion base attack is is gonna deal three damage it's it's just super annoying it just deletes a minion for one and it's gonna be really hard to make it not delete a good minion when the prerequisite is that it does three damage so you have like a board of tokens and a good minion it only kills the good minion it's yeah it's i mean it's gonna be so hard to play so paladin i don't know is desperate measure staying or is that rotating do you guys know i have no idea because if it's staying like paladin actually has a lot of good secrets right now they have reckoning they get a venge back which has been historically like one of the best secrets ever um yes avenge is amazing yes yeah desperate measures is dipping it's dipping all right because secrets and paladin are looking really good um because they they do lose paladin is losing eye for an eye redemption and repentance which um are not really the most used secrets and redemption's not bad yeah it's not bad um but like this having these this pool of secrets along with um they're all my yog like they're actually they're actually like good and like you can make like a tempo kind of paladin deck especially with like you got you got the righteous protector you got the archer protector getting a buff as well um you can make like a tempo secret kind of paladin or something and it actually looks kind of decent i mean of course we don't know what the new cards are but yeah yeah wand maker's only going to give you like practically always a tempo-centric secret every time you play it you're always going to get reckoning event renewable sacrifice usually out of this course at yeah paladin i saw somebody typing in a chat before or oh my god like paladin is losing like a lot of one cost like lower stuff that you don't really want to to get out of like a snack run also um so oh yeah yeah so these are actually pretty big changes for paladin yeah yeah paladin had a lot of junk in the trunk like they had a like just a lot of [ __ ] cards yeah so now they've kind of skimmed the fat and now they made it they're looking pretty competitive yeah like it's all just like stuff you want in your deck like you could probably just run like pure paladin's gonna be insane like oh don't say that stop stop stop removing freeze like look at how much better the car like oh nope yeah warhorse trainer also just before we go on to the next class i just want to mention that's that's coming back as well i think that was rotated out he's buffed too oh now he's attacked yes he used to have two really good that's insane he's nuts uh we do have to move along we still have a lot uh a few clients we've got five minutes for three four five and neutrals we may have to pick this up next week yeah yeah just cover priests we'll end it there we'll pick it up next week all right so priest uh they got a new a new guy crimson clergy who that i mean that uh he's from the scarlet monastery in world of warcraft just saying hey thank you one of my favorite dungeons i'd like it to a lot yep this is gonna be annoying as [ __ ] it's like you play it on turn one and then if your opponent like has a minion you're like i don't know if i want to play that minion because then they can slap it and then heal it and then they have a two three and that trades in all my other stuff and then they can keep doing that like it's super annoying against like aggro decks for them to play crimson clergy so that card's good like it's definitely gonna make the early game really slow down against priest i mean it's good but like it's not it's not so good like priest when i first saw this card i was thinking that uh priest was still gonna have circle of healing so there's gonna be some nutty things with that uh but they don't have circle healing anymore they're losing that one so i mean there's not so much that you could heal your friendly i i mean you definitely i guess it's just a a one man a two three on turn two like automatically if you want it um like nowadays in hearthstone it's not even like so good it's it's good but like you can't you can't really abuse it i don't think but i can't stop laughing someone in chat called him canadian clergy and it doesn't yeah he's a very good hockey jersey or something he's got the canada tabard on i love it uh yeah i don't know well shadow form is good a lot of new cards here yeah i see i see some silence priest uh card here uh focus will yeah so i mean you do have focus well here uh it's got a salsa minion and then there is the new the the old four eight guy the razer leaf guy yeah i believe that's going back uh why do people keep talking about that that combo is not gonna be the nuts yeah thank you i like it priest loses inner fire uh with this so like yeah you could have 411 if you have that those that two card combo but like is everyone trolling no one thinks that's really good right like i i keep thinking for players from back when it's just the players who played with divine um spirit inner fire and like turn three they had a 24-24 that's that's it won't be like that yeah but that's basically what they're relating it to it's like back when that was the thing for those okay i played you remember the 24-24 plan yeah coming to eat your your breakfast lunch and dinner and your girlfriend it's ridiculous but yeah yeah i know what you mean but inner fire is gone so that dream is dead so i mean you still have the uh mad scientist right to swap the attack and health oh um yeah some really good cards though for priests like that's still just like it's a it's actually just like a silence as well if you want to use it to silence your opponent's minion um it could be it could be pretty flexible in that regard yeah buff it and silence it for one great deal yeah i mean thank you drago hey it's it's if you if you don't want to use it on your minion there i mean it's septic saying it's sethic yeah i think something is skull-o-man's right i mean hey that's a combo with it um not on sethick but whatever it's like it's a pretty good card i think uh he's he's ashes so he's in the game yeah you got discover a spell from your deck thrive in the shadows that's kind of like the other card maker got worse because focus will comes out of it for priest think about that thank god this could be a decent card still to get off of that and flash heal it's not the greatest but it's something like flash heal is what you should basically get off wandmaker and focus will not renew last year's a good card love that card yeah light spawn three mana that's pretty notable light spawn three mana and uh yeah that the card has always been like pretty decent at at four right so like yeah three's crazy with rally right like you can make that the three drop that just keeps coming back and it does three damage here the enemy hero every time it dies that was crazy interesting there used to be um another three man of four three shadow like cam and at death rattle you'd get a card from your opponent's deck and i always thought that card was a very very fun and like old thief priest um so completely different but yeah yeah i just there was like you know what i mean like they had shadow before now he does damage instead of value which is just weird dude shadow priest is going to be op you got shadow form now and you have this shadow spirit that's insane don't forget to ready yeah i checked in uh i actually have uh uh they're seeding it right now so i might get a buy and i might be able to wait a little bit but um yeah we're almost done with this priest class here and then we'll probably wrap it up boys it's funny they kept temple enforcer because no one ever wanted that card no one plays that card no one enjoys that card other than zephyrs that's f yeah i'm fine with them keeping this as long as that first is gone all right why did that stay did the owen temple enforcer why do you think he always suggested no reason there's no reason for that card um shadow form got nerf you can't upgrade it do we know that for sure it confirmed anything like if you use the other one it does refresh the power so if you use two of them in the same turn you get to use your hero power twice for a lot of mana so yeah i think it's a missed opportunity well they made it to bannon which is uh cheaper quite yeah it's it i mean if you think of like for example thought steal a three man of the card saul played not really though at two man i thought steel was a steal right everybody was playing it and it was a very powerful card because it's just that one turn matters so much now you have shadow form which has the ability to hit minions for two damage and for like you know a shadow like a value shadow priest i mean if they had this at two mana and it could double up and deal three i feel like that would just get out of hand very it would it would feel so bad to play against a shadow priest if you're in like a control matchup they go shadow form shadow form you lose like in the control like you just can't you literally cannot deal with that so i am kind of happy that it was if they're gonna reduce it to two let's not make it do three damage if they have two of them uh just for the safety of control matchups um yeah uh also by the way so my opponent i i do have to wait for the the first match to end because i gotta buy so i do have a little more time uh do you wanna do another section uh yeah sure the money wants to i just wanna talk about like the notable cars that are leaving priest which is uh they they are losing thought steal they're losing shadow madness um shadow word pain which hasn't really seen play recently but still a decent card uh mass dispel so so they're losing some decent stuff there um and they're also just gaining a lot of good stuff here so i don't know i think priest people have been saying priests got shafted but i i actually i still like what they have i i really like everything uh in this core set bro um except for something in rogue um shadow step spoiler we thought this car was going like honestly all of us did yes yes if you'd have told me shadows staying out i said you're that's a joke yeah um that's funny nice joke scary man oh but hey maybe it won't be a problem maybe i'm worrying for nothing maybe we're all worrying for nothing oh we have three zero mana cards yeah it's fine don't don't mention it what do you mean it's fine this is not fine there's something fine about this it's not no there is no plan don't worry eviscerate's gone don't worry okay that is a little bit better honestly but i also don't like how they got rid of viscera because it's like the it is like the most iconic road card out of all of them you know what i mean like but at the same time yeah i mean they got rid of eviscerate but sinister strike is still staying uh yeah i don't know like there's still gonna be a smork rogue deck um and i'm not gonna like it but like you're still gonna have the pen flingers calling you a loser every two seconds and yeah but we have uh vanessa van cleef edwin's uh long lost cousin really cool card yeah i think this car is really good i think we went over this last week actually we went over this in great detail car's really good next uh patient assassin is coming back as a 1-2 instead of a 1-1 i believe is it playable i think randomly it being like randomly generated is pretty good and it's actually just like not a it's just a really annoying card like i don't know if it'll actually be played in rogue because again like what archetype is it like they would just play like sap instead or something like that but like this being brought out by something or created by something is just really annoying to play around because of stealth yeah could be good could be it could be all right um we got assassin's blade being changed to a two-five i mean uh it's all right i guess uh there's always going to be a lot of damage like deadly poison yeah it is that's true it's not sharp it's not it's not as good as self sharpening sword though right uh probably not it's cost one more mana and it's captured for one extra durability it's still good though it's definitely not bad no it's not bad but i don't think it'll see play while sharpening sword is in the same game you know probably not yeah yeah we have sprint at six mana now which is irrelevant because of secret passage but it's a thing yep there you go um blade of cultists coming back i think that's kind of a big deal because of uh combo rogue yeah it's just another one mana just keep playing stuff card yeah that's why i'm saying like they're still gonna be it's still gonna be aggro rogue probably i mean looking at these cars that they're keeping it still seems like aggro rogue is still it would be decent with the current card pool uh and i'm assuming they'll probably get something else that's pretty aggressive um so yeah i mean it's just just a good body a 2-3 for one mana seems good um and like you can foxy fraud into it as well which isn't the best thing but like it's still still pretty good a 2 mana for a 3 2 and a 2 3 is actually pretty dang strong yeah yeah very much so agreed yeah i don't like that they brought swash and babbling book back like i really don't like this kind of car one man on one one you just get something random like how like it's gonna get played in most rogue decks like there's no reason not to play this card mostly and when it was around people hate like people did not like the babbling book or swashbuckler they were like people asked for them to get changed or to be rotated or when they rotated we were very happy so it's strange that they would come back for a core set given how much people dislike them including me i think babbling book was hated more i'm not sure though yeah because both of them just put something in your card's hand off of the first turn that you can't predict immediately yes yeah i mean i think i think babbling is probably hated more because maybe mage spells are just better on average than like a random yeah card have like arcane missiles right which is like oh that's where it's super and then you have like pyroblast yeah i'm just giving examples like the variance between like the huge swings like yeah i hit missiles okay i suck okay i hit pyroblast i guess i win depending on the situation so it's just like for one mana i don't know it's just i remember people not liking this card and i it's just weird that they i mean i personally like it um i like i like the thief rogue kind of uh archetype even though it's like super random rng based whatever uh probably yeah it's just very fun to play um so like if thief rogue is a thing i would like it and i actually have i've loved swashburglar over the over the years i i hate i the only time i don't like squash burglar is when it's in like an aggressive pirate deck um but i mean south sea deckhand's rotating out and uh it doesn't look like there should be too much pirate synergy i think there was a new pirate um that was added but uh yeah in the neutral side there's a good one like if you have a weapon do two damage yeah something like that it's a good rogue card um plague scientists everybody's favorite card it's back i think it's the same played was it played is that your question yeah yeah i don't recall i mean i remember seeing it sometimes i don't think it was ever like actually like playing deck i think so um i mean the car is like it's decent it's always been like decent but i don't think it's ever found a spot in a deck um yeah cause like if you're playing a lot of small things it's it's pretty good to give one of them poisonous take down a big taunt something like that pyromancer rotated right it did yes i don't think plague signed that i mean that car would have been cool with it but i don't think that even five mana clear board um yeah i mean i don't know it's it's gonna be one of those cars probably that's good when you get it randomly um it might it might be like meta dependent if if the if there's a lot what about what about that new neutral blade guy you play him and then put this on him and then his ability does frenzy oh wow oh god seven mana and you completely clear your opponent's board that's pretty good that's that's a good comment that's actually a very good combo i i'm excited to see you play with it yeah because i don't know if i'll have the balls to try it out yeah he hits whatever he wants to hit and then that dies and then the rest of the entire only the enemy board gets wiped yeah that's great it's a one side board wipe for seven minutes which rogue doesn't that's like so giving so in the past normally like you have classes that um that don't have access to certain utilities like right now druid doesn't have access like board clears right that's like one of their weaknesses and rogues is it doesn't have field clear it has single target removal up the yin yang but it doesn't have fields clear so giving classes that normally don't have access stuff access to stuff sometimes makes them you know propels them a couple spots up the tier list but we'll see interesting yeah i mean that card is already good the the samurai guy he's already he's already good with like yeah nitro boost poison cold blood actually yeah he probably just goes in rogue he's pretty good and he gives them a clear because you can use a lot of cards on him like he corrupts nitro boost then if you play it on him it gives him plus two attacks then you do a three um you do like a little mini a little hellfire on your opponent's side of the board that's pretty sweet yeah yeah probably good enough to be honest plague scientist just got a lot better in my mind now yeah um then you've got two people for mana assassinate oh yeah sorry yeah uh format assassinate that's like that's that's that's good um sure not main deckable i think really probably not would you main deck this probably not yeah um two pillager though solid very solid card yes always been a solid card yeah the card's nuts it was uh definitely one of the cards you'd see the most of an oil rope back in the day the uh may not seem like a four mana five four um just giving a coin is that important but rogue really really benefits off having extra mana as like if you start on like you have coin and start like right now you know how insane those turns can get in the early game so just being able to use that to your advantage and adding you know free combo stuff is nice plus static very heavily yeah and your auctioneer stayed so yeah yeah not really thrilled about it but um at least sorcerer's apprentice is gone so that kills the mozaki combo um which is nice doesn't make it as scary but i know some people are going to find a way to abuse auctioneer they always do naturally uh but we can end it there if you want because i know you have to go to a game soon yeah i don't know i'm still waiting for their match it still says 0-0 but they might they might have just not reported yet um yeah we're at like an hour anyway on the podcast um so we're gonna end it off here guys um and we will resume talking about the stuff there's a lot of a lot of new stuff to talk about we did just get the shaman yeah uh but we'll start with shaman next week and um maybe we'll have even more news uh about the core set and the new expansion yeah you have a great day d money good luck in your qualifiers and i hope you feel better warshak yeah me too i don't like headaches and good luck d money along with which raka said you'll kill it hopefully you knock it out of the park and uh dracco have a wonderful day whatever you're doing today as well in chattanooga he's getting another tattoo it's a fantastic job now peace wait before you go i just wanted to mention that like uh the we haven't heard a specific date yet for the new expansion but uh they they the pre-order for the new expansion is out and it ends on the 22nd of march i believe so uh people are speculating that it should be coming out around is that a tuesday like uh 20 seconds of monday so it's probably ending it's probably coming out the 23rd then yeah it could be that's that's because that's a tuesday yeah 23rd looks to be a good day for the expansion to come out and they did so that was weird though what um because normally the expansion like the pre-orders work up until the expansion date just so like even if yeah you know what i mean like it's up like literally up until the minute it releases you can pre-order so it'd be weird that they would end it a day early i don't know weird they've never done that yeah i was thinking the same thing it could be it should be one of those two days but we just don't know yet but like that's not even too far away so it's actually it's actually very exciting that we're going to get the core set and we're going to get this new expansion uh with that with the huge rotation and everything all at once and like pretty soon um a very cool three weeks yeah and and also one last thing is that uh they did hint on twitter at um a possible patch before uh the masters tournament ironforge which is coming up in like a week or so um so we might see some cards changed before we see this whole other change coming which we will cover it here we will so if it happens within the next week then you'll we'll talk about it next uh next podcast and that'll be exciting uh but that is all yeah uh i would love it two weeks yes who wouldn't um yeah have a great guy have a have a great day guys have a great guy thanks for having me i need my coffee bro jeez all right later guys [Music] you

Channel: Metabreakers Hearthstone Podcast

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Keywords: Hearthstone Forged in the Barrens, Core set, Top Decks, Metabreakers Podcast, Dmoney, Dmoneygames, Warshack, TheWarshack, DracoCatt, Card Review, New Cards, Card Reveal, Gryphon, Year of the Gryphon, Hearthstone 2

Id: Nwi_L7vaJDU

Length: 61min 49sec (3709 seconds)

Published: Sun Mar 07 2021