Handgun Stopping Power?

carry a 45 the way I figured I've got to shoot somebody I'm going to knock them that I don't want them getting back up hey guys welcome back Jerry once again up here is hilltop firearms training center Dover Tennessee thanks for watching the age-old debate with the caliber is the best which calibers you carry in your handgun is nine millimeters at 45 is it boarding what is it what is the one that has the most ultimate stopping power that is what today's video is going to be about this is actually the result of conversation I had with a recent student a student who had come up here and attended an 8 hour class with his carry gun he attended what we call our Danger Close pistol very gritty class close quarter retention shooting shooting from vehicle shooting in and out of vehicles and he attended it with a 44 Magnum model 629 Smith & Wesson a couple hundred rounds into it the concussion the muzzle blast it was an eye-opener I told him that the course was originally designed for people who carry semi automatics but that I would work with him and he could take the class with this revolver and that is basically what this entire video is about after that you know spending eight hours with him standing next to a 44 Magnum I really thought about that you know I started reminiscing back to when I personally became extremely interested in learning everything I could about handguns and handgun calibers the year was 1984 so I go way back I was told as a teenager at the time I got my first handgun my dad actually bought it for me not a millimeter but when I started looking back over the years I have been basically for three years have been listening to the great hand caliber domain which is better now before social media before the internet before all these experts that we have nowadays in the shooting training whatever industry you want to call a community whatever you want to call it we had books and we had a handful of reputable people that were known experts in the field looking back I recall one person that stood out to me was Bill Jordan we build Jordan was an old Border Patrol guy armed with revolvers elmer keith extremely knowledgeable when it came to the magnum class cartridges of the time Jeff Cooper of course and this video is in by no means singling out one cartridge from the next and I joke about the 45 because the 45 guys are certain kind of a certain group of people that feel like you know the 45 is the best most effective stopping around well stopping power let's talk about stopping power is there even such a thing now in 1992 Evan Marshall and edy Santo wrote a book and it was called handgun stopping power they supposedly had put a lot of time and research research into the various calibers and they talked a lot about incapacitation time like if you shot someone with a 38 versus a 357 and a 45 ACP versus whatever well that book had a lot of success so much that they wrote another book at 96 called Street Stoppers and it basically expanded on all this data that they supposedly had been gathering through their research that very research has often been sort of debated as as to whether or not it was even accurate so so I wanted to talk with you guys about some things now let's go back to the 70 like the 60s and 70s what did most people carry revolvers 38 special has been around forever the 357 Magnum developed in 1934 been around forever very proven a lot of energy a lot of speed lot of foot pounds but we flex forward into the 1980s and semi automatics were taking more of a hold with people during the 80s you had what was called the Wonder nylons the Wonder knives were pistols that held upwards of 15 rounds so if you had a 1911 guy that had to say seven plus one or eight plus one all of a sudden now you have 16 rounds on hand oh you could break these dogs on her back sorry five chihuahuas are getting a little ornery so where were 1980s RIT you started having people law enforcement of the FBI started carrying various Smith & Wesson pistol that was very popular and then what do we have the 1980 1986 infamous FBI shootout between the two bank robbers Platte and Maddox now this is this this shootout has been analyzed and studied and critiqued and a lot of really bad things happen that day with those FBI guys we had eight FBI agents and they got into a gun mouth with these two guys one of the bank robbers were shot up to 12 times and he continued to wound and shoot back at the at the agents now three of the agents have the Smith & Wesson 9 millimeters the rest of the guys were armed with revolvers there was shot go use to they've actually ended the fight following that that horrible ordeal the FBI felt that their agents were not armed with powerful enough handguns because when they studied what had happened they thought all these you know these agents were making effective hits and yet these guys were not dropping to the ground they were not stopping a lot of people thought well the two the two bank robbers had to have been on some type of a stimulant narcotic something no the toxic toxicology reports came back negative they were not on anything they just simply were very very strong-willed people that were extremely dangerous so you know some people would have said well you know what what do we need to do well the FBI went to Smith & Wesson and they said we need to give our agents something better to be you know to be better equipped on the streets whatever we need something what do you have and then the Smith & Wesson the designers said well there is a new round out there that is making a lot of a lot of heads turn is the 10 millimeter 10 millimeter was developed technically around 1982 s it was a joint effort with several people involved namely Jeff Cooper the 10 millimeter was a 40 caliber projectile and you were looking at upwards of 1,200 feet per second high amount of foot pounds per square inch so the FBI said yep this is what we need this is the thing this is notice you're gonna shoot a bad guy that needs to be shot and during a drop him in his tracks once again not knocking 10 millimeter because on the table story about that in a minute but now we have the problem with the FBI's 1076 Smith & Wesson they were breaking the guns back then the the metal and the engineering that went to the guns just did not account for the abuse of recoil and the snap so you have a lot of guns that were breaking not to mention the FBI agents themselves that had difficulties shooting the guns effectively inaccurate mainly their follow-up shots first round might be good at that second round would just push him back because the 10-millimeter truly was a magnum class cartridge the 10 millimeter has gained popularity again there's a lot of people offering 10 millimeters in their handguns back then you did not have a lot you had the first handgun back then was the brand 10 that you have the Colt Delta cleat and then other company started jumping on the bandwagon once again the FBI thought well this is too much for you to tone it down long story short they went to the FBI 10 millimeter light load which was not successful finally they went to the 40 caliber Smith & Wesson which was developed in 1990 so the articles in the 80s went from nine-millimeter versus 45 ACP to 9-millimeter versus 40 versus 45 acp and the debate continued for another two decades so I'm sorry I'm kind of rambling but there when you really think about stopping power or not down power it does not have really any basis for what you should choose to carry and what I mean is if I give you say a 357 magnum revolver but you can hardly shoot it then what good is all that kinetic energy if you're not effective with it now the 45 guys they have long been a culture of people that you know they like their 1911's and they like that 45 when they like a 45 caliber block whatever doesn't really matter people claim that the 45 has been effective in combat yes used for 75 years in the US arming because it replaced the 38 revolver which did not cause enough damage to people being shocked and then in 1985 what did we choose we chose I'm not a millimeter well it holds 15 in the magazine you see where the circle is going flash-forward we had the 357 sig round which was a phenomenal but a hot high-pressure superb ass full of our own Tennessee Highway Patrol here carries it the Texas Rangers have a choice that can carry that in a six-hour or they can carry a 1911 our very own FBI what are they carrying millimeter the New York Police Department what are they carrying a millimeter okay 40 caliber had quite the life from 1990 up until just a few years ago but if you do your research the 40 caliber proved not to be all what it originally thought it was going to be people thought this is finally around for law enforcement it's got all the power you want and it's got high capacity you also get a lot of the recoil now I'm not trying to start fights with you 40 guy so calm down I bought in to the caliber the whole fad in 1986 I carried a 41 AE it was first I had it was chambered in a II was at FIV TZ 75 in 1990 I purchased my Jericho 941 because I thought this was going to be in 117 grain jacketed hollow point about 1,200 feet per second roughly the ballistics of 357 Magnum within a high-capacity pistol I couldn't afford to buy the ammo I couldn't find it half the time much trained with it see where I'm going here in 1990 I think it was 92 give or take 93 carried a 10 millimeter back in the day I carry 4506 Smith & Wesson once again I could not afford to buy bulk quantities of ammo and get good so when I really started going to shooting schools in the early 1990s I immediately went back to 9 millimeter and for you that say well you know but the 9 millimeter is not potent I will tell you this and I can say this with authority because I did the job I was law enforcement for three different departments and I saw several people shot and everyone seems to react different I saw a guy that died from 22 caliber shock I saw a guy laying in the basically in the projects with a 22 caliber hole in him EMS they're working on and he is dying in front of us and yet I went to a shooting where a person had been shot in the throat with a 45 acp and was fairly coherent she had a towel sort of wrapped around her neck and was not having a great day but the 45 it knocked her down either people respond to gunshot wounds extremely different you may have two males 185 pounds both of them in really physical top physical shape good health shoots one in the chest with a 380 and one with a 22 and one may fall out the other one may take that gun away from a newbie to death with it all I can tell you is if you cannot effectively shoot aboard the train with and carry a certain caliber gun then what good is it primarily nowadays you see we have made of Circle and everyone once again is shooting 9-millimeter pistols that is sort of where we have sort of gone back to is the 357 Magnum effective yes but you also do what you compromise capacity six or five shots may or may not be enough for you in a particular violent situation that is what this video is about what good is the 44 Magnum if you can hardly control the thing now that the gentlemen that actually took the class he pretty much ran that gun like a champ said that but is that really a realistic viable cartridge in my opinion no it has its place backcountry camping hiking in the mountains in places where people wear thick winter clothing it may have more of a purpose there but for the daily everyday person that carries a firearm personal protection 44 Magnum seriously 45 ACP if you can run it you can and you can afford a train with it go with it here's a one last thing I'll just end this with our Tennessee Highway Patrol issues the 357 sig Glocks they give their troopers the full size and the subcompact well the last time I checked on a good day about 50 rounds of practice ammunitions about 35 dollars a box opposed to nine or ten dollars for nine-millimeter so say if you want to go out on your day off and shoot say Underground's which is not really much shooting if you think about it you're spending over seventy dollars can you afford to train with that now is the 357 sig a good round it is it's very fast punches through vehicles conscious people goes in my opinion is a little bit too fast but once again you have to decide don't let people tell you well this is what you need to carry because I will say this ammunition manufacturers today use marketing to their advantage when you are in a sporting goods store you're looking at that ball of ammunition the ones you the cool names and the cool logo are the ones that catch your eye and I'm not going to say anything bad about these following rounds but I I fell into this myself in the 1990s I carry Winchester's black talons ooh Remington gold and say amazing round what do you have today you have a rx in the rivet Rams and the hornady critical defense and critical duty and guard dog you've got all these really cool logos and catchy names but it is more marketed to sell a product think about that if you will guys let's post your comments below let's try keep the professional please tell me what you carry what caliber you carry at what weight green bullet all that good stuff posted in the comments below I do appreciate you for watching as always see on the range

Channel: Jerry Ziegner

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Keywords: handgun stopping power, handgun knockdown power, james yeager, tactical response, FBI Shootout, 10mm, 9mm versus 45cp, bullet stopping power

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Length: 17min 16sec (1036 seconds)

Published: Sun Jun 04 2017