Glenn Kirschner: Giuliani Should Consider ‘Who Are The Bigger Fish I Can Give Up’

ATTEMPT TO EXPLAIN IT ALL AWAY IN HIS WORDS AS AN ILLEGAL SEARCH WARRANT REALLY FALLS FLAT. >> SO THERE’S ANOTHER BOMBASTIC LAWYER AND CONFIDANT OF DONALD TRUMP’S WHO HAD A SEARCH WARRANTED EXECUTED ON HIS WORK AND HOME, MICHAEL COHEN. HE WAS ON WITH NICOLLE WALLACE TONIGHT WITH A LITTLE ADVICE FOR RUDY GIULIANI. LET’S LISTEN TO WHAT HE HAS TO SAY. >> THIS IS MY SPEECH TO RUDY AND TO, YOU KNOW, ANYBODY ELSE. THEY HAVE HIM, AND SO IF HE’S LOOKING TO PROTECT HIMSELF SO THAT HE DOESN’T END UP SPENDING THE REST OF HIS LIFE IN PRISON, HE MAY WANT TO ACTUALLY START TO COOPERATE. IT’S SOMETHING THAT I DIDN’T DO THAT I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE DONE HINDSIGHT BEING 20-20. WHAT WHAT >> WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THAT ADVICE, GLENN? >> YEAH, THAT’S THE VOICE OF EXPERIENCE TALKING BECAUSE LET’S LOOK WHAT HAPPENED LAST TIME. FEDERAL SEARCH WARRANTS WERE EXECUTED ON AN ATTORNEY’S HOME AND AN ATTORNEY’S OFFICE. WHILE THAT WAS MICHAEL COHEN AND HE ENDED UP GOING TO PRISON. IF PAST IS PROLOGUE, I THINK RUDY GIULIANI OUGHT TO HUNKER DOWN WITH HIS LAWYERS AND START TO DISCUSS, OKAY, WHO ARE THE BIGGER FISH THAT I CAN GIVE UP. SO IF IT WERE ME AS THE PROSECUTOR I WOULD BE DEBRIEFING RUDY GIULIANI ABOUT WHAT HE KNOWS ABOUT BILL BARR, ABOUT DONALD TRUMP, ABOUT DON, JR. AND OTHERS. BECAUSE IF ANYBODY KNOWS THE VALUE OF COOPERATING WITH A CRIMINAL PROBE, IT’S A FORMER U.S. ATTORNEY LIKE RUDY GIULIANI. >> AND THERE’S MORE TO IT THAN THE BOMBAST AND THE THINGS HAVING TO DO WITH THE ELECTION, WHICH WERE MOST RECENT IN OUR MEMORY ABOUT RUDY GIULIANI. THIS ACTUALLY HAS TO DO WITH UKRAINE AND THE AMERICAN PRESENCE THERE AND THE ACTING AMBASSADOR MARIE YOVANOVITCH, WHO BY THE WAY TALKED ABOUT RUDY GIULIANI TARGETING HER, WHICH PROBABLY ULTIMATELY LED TO HER LOSING HER JOB IN THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION. LET’S LISTEN TO WHAT SHE HAD TO SAY ABOUT RUDY GIULIANI. >> I DO NOT UNDERSTAND MR. YOU’LL GIULIANI’S MOTIVES FOR ATTACKING. CLEARLY NO ONE AT THE STATE DEPARTMENT DID. WHAT I CAN SAY IS THAT MR. GIULIANI SHOULD HAVE KNOWN THOSE CLAIMS WERE SUSPECT COMING AS THEY REPORTEDLY DID FROM INDIVIDUALS WITH QUESTIONABLE MOTIVES AND WITH REASON TO BELIEVE THEIR POLITICAL AND FINANCIAL AMBITIONS WOULD BE STYMIED BY OUR ANTI-CORRUPTION POLICY IN UKRAINE. >> MARIE YOVANOVITCH WAS SOMEBODY SOME POWERFUL PEOPLE IN UKRAINE WOULD HAVE LIKED OUT OF THE WAY, AND ULTIMATELY THAT WORKED. I DON’T KNOW HOW THAT MAKES IT MORE OR LESS SERIOUS AS A CRIME, BUT IT IS MORE SERIOUS AS A MATTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY THAT RUDY GIULIANI MIGHT HAVE BEEN UP TO THIS KIND OF ACTIVITY EITHER AT THE BEHEST OF THE RUSSIAN -- OF THE UKRAINIANS OR NOT. >> YEAH. AND THIS IS A REALLY INTERESTING PIECE, ALI, BECAUSE A PRESIDENT HAS PLENARY AUTHORITY TO REMOVE AN AMBASSADOR FOR GOOD REASON OR FOR NO REASON AT ALL. SO AT ANY MOMENT DONALD TRUMP COULD HAVE PICKED UP THE PHONE AND RECALLED AMBASSADOR MARIE YOVANOVITCH, BUT THAT’S NOT WHAT WAS GOING ON. WHAT WEZAS GOING ON IS RUDY GIULIANI WAS WORKING BEHIND THE SCENES TO TRY TO DISLODGE AMBASSADOR YOVANOVITCH WHO BY ALL ACCOUNTS WAS A REALLY ACCOMPLISHED CORRUPTION FIGHTER IN HER POST AS AN AMBASSADOR. SO IF THE PRESIDENT COULD HAVE SUMMARILY REMOVED HER, WHY DID RUDY GIULIANI HAVE TO WORK BEHIND THE SCENES TO ALMOST COVERTLY TRY TO PUSH HER OUT? THAT TELLS US -- AND THIS IS WHY I THINK YOU READ THAT IT’S THE WORKING THEORY OF THE PROSECUTORS. IT TELLS US THAT RUDY GIULIANI WASN’T DOING THIS FOR DONALD TRUMP. HE COULD HAVE DONE IT HIMSELF. WHAT HE WAS PROBABLY DOING IS WHAT THE EVIDENCE IS BEGINNING TO LOOK LIKE IS HE WAS ACTING AT THE BEHEST OF POWERFUL UKRAINIANS WHO DID NOT LIKE AMBASSADOR YOVANOVITCH’S

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Length: 4min 32sec (272 seconds)

Published: Fri Apr 30 2021