IT INSPIRES LOTS OF PEOPLE. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE’LL BE FOLLOWING THIS WE’LL BE FOLLOWING THIS DEVELOPING STORY. DEVELOPING STORY. >>> BACK IN 1991, NBC NIGHTLY >>> BACK IN 1991, NBC NIGHTLY NEWS DID THIS REVIEW OF DONALD NEWS DID THIS REVIEW OF DONALD TRUMP’S PROBLEMATIC FINANCIAL TRUMP’S PROBLEMATIC FINANCIAL POSITION. POSITION. TAKE A LOOK. TAKE A LOOK. >> WHEN YOU BORROW AS MUCH MONEY >> WHEN YOU BORROW AS MUCH MONEY AS DONALD TRUMP DID, NEARLY $2 AS DONALD TRUMP DID, NEARLY $2 BILLION, AND THE ECONOMY GOES BILLION, AND THE ECONOMY GOES INTO A TAIL SPIN, AND YOU CAN’T INTO A TAIL SPIN, AND YOU CAN’T PAY THE INTEREST ON YOUR LOANS, PAY THE INTEREST ON YOUR LOANS, THE BANKERS MOVE IN. THE BANKERS MOVE IN. THEY HAVE. THEY HAVE. HERE’S WHAT’S IN THE WORKS. HERE’S WHAT’S IN THE WORKS. DONALD’S $100 MILLION YACHT GOES DONALD’S $100 MILLION YACHT GOES TO THE BOSTON SAFE DEPOSIT AND TO THE BOSTON SAFE DEPOSIT AND TRUST COMPANY. TRUST COMPANY. HIS HALF INTEREST IN THE GRAND HIS HALF INTEREST IN THE GRAND HYATT HOTEL GOES TO BANKERS HYATT HOTEL GOES TO BANKERS TRUST. TRUST. HIS INTEREST IN ALEXANDER’S HIS INTEREST IN ALEXANDER’S DEPARTMENT STORE GOES TO CITY DEPARTMENT STORE GOES TO CITY CORE. CORE. HIS TRUMP SHUTTLE GOES TO HIS TRUMP SHUTTLE GOES TO NORTHWEST AIRLINES. NORTHWEST AIRLINES. WHAT DONALD TRUMP GETS IS A WHAT DONALD TRUMP GETS IS A CHANCE TO START OVER. CHANCE TO START OVER. HE PROBABLY WON’T HAVE TO HE PROBABLY WON’T HAVE TO DECLARE BANKRUPTCY. DECLARE BANKRUPTCY. ON THE BOARDWALK IN ATLANTIC ON THE BOARDWALK IN ATLANTIC CITY, HE KEEPS HIS CASINOS. CITY, HE KEEPS HIS CASINOS. IN NEW YORK, HE KEEPS THE PLAZA IN NEW YORK, HE KEEPS THE PLAZA HOTEL HOTEL HOTEL, WHICH HE HOPES TO CONVERT HOTEL, WHICH HE HOPES TO CONVERT INTO CONDOMINIUMS. INTO CONDOMINIUMS. HE KEEPS THE OLD PENNSYLVANIA HE KEEPS THE OLD PENNSYLVANIA RAILROAD YARDS. RAILROAD YARDS. HE WANTS TO TURN THEM INTO A HE WANTS TO TURN THEM INTO A REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT. REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT. WHAT HE DOESN’T KEEP IS IVANA. WHAT HE DOESN’T KEEP IS IVANA. SHE DIVORCED HIM AND GOT $14 SHE DIVORCED HIM AND GOT $14 MILLION. MILLION. IF DONALD WASN’T SO BADLY IN IF DONALD WASN’T SO BADLY IN HAWK, SHE MIGHT HAVE GOTTEN $2.5 HAWK, SHE MIGHT HAVE GOTTEN $2.5 BILLION. BILLION. DONALD IS TRYING TO PUT A GOOD DONALD IS TRYING TO PUT A GOOD FACE ON ALL THIS. FACE ON ALL THIS. I WASN’T FREE TO WHEEL AND DEAL I WASN’T FREE TO WHEEL AND DEAL DURING MY DIVORCE, HE SAY. DURING MY DIVORCE, HE SAY. NOW, I’M ABLE TO DO WHAT I DO NOW, I’M ABLE TO DO WHAT I DO BEST. BEST. A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK DONALD HAS A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK DONALD HAS HAD HIS DAY. HAD HIS DAY. THAT HIS GAME OF MONOPOLY IS THAT HIS GAME OF MONOPOLY IS ALMOST OVER. ALMOST OVER. THE MAN WHO WAS THE DARLING OF THE MAN WHO WAS THE DARLING OF THE ’80s IS SEEN IN THE ’90s AS THE ’80s IS SEEN IN THE ’90s AS A MAN IN TROUBLE, AND HE KNOWS A MAN IN TROUBLE, AND HE KNOWS IT. IT. I’M BEING PUT UP THERE, SAYS I’M BEING PUT UP THERE, SAYS DONALD, WITH THE KURBS. DONALD, WITH THE KURBS. >> PARTICULARLY INTERESTING THIS >> PARTICULARLY INTERESTING THIS MORNING, AS "THE NEW YORK TIMES" MORNING, AS "THE NEW YORK TIMES" IS PULLING BACK THE CURTAIN ON IS PULLING BACK THE CURTAIN ON PRESIDENT TRUMP’S FINANCES, PRESIDENT TRUMP’S FINANCES, REVEALING HIS PRIOR BUSINESS REVEALING HIS PRIOR BUSINESS STRUGGLES WERE FAR WORSE THAN STRUGGLES WERE FAR WORSE THAN PREVIOUSLY THOUGHT. PREVIOUSLY THOUGHT. THE PAPER SAYS IT HAS OBTAINED THE PAPER SAYS IT HAS OBTAINED TAX INFORMATION ON VERY THIN ICE TAX INFORMATION ON VERY THIN ICE >> FROM 1985 TO 1994. >> FROM 1985 TO 1994. BY THE TIME HIS BEST-SELLING BY THE TIME HIS BEST-SELLING MEMOIR "THE ART OF THE DEAL" HIT MEMOIR "THE ART OF THE DEAL" HIT STORES IN 1987, TRUMP WAS STORES IN 1987, TRUMP WAS ALREADY IN DEEP FINANCIAL ALREADY IN DEEP FINANCIAL TROUBLE. TROUBLE. DEEP. DEEP. LOSING TENS OF MILLIONS OF LOSING TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON BAD BUSINESS DEALS. DOLLARS ON BAD BUSINESS DEALS. THE PAPER SAYS THE FIGURES SHOW THE PAPER SAYS THE FIGURES SHOW IN 1985, TRUMP REPORTED LOSSES IN 1985, TRUMP REPORTED LOSSES OF JUST OVER $46 MILLION FROM OF JUST OVER $46 MILLION FROM HIS CORE BUSINESSES. HIS CORE BUSINESSES. MOSTLY CASINOS, HOTELS, AND MOSTLY CASINOS, HOTELS, AND RETAIL SPACE AND APARTMENT RETAIL SPACE AND APARTMENT BUILDINGS. BUILDINGS. THOSE BUSINESSES CONTINUED TO THOSE BUSINESSES CONTINUED TO LOSE MONEY EVERY YEAR FOR A LOSE MONEY EVERY YEAR FOR A TOTAL LOSS OF $1.7 BILLION OVER TOTAL LOSS OF $1.7 BILLION OVER THE NEARLY TEN-YEAR SPAN. THE NEARLY TEN-YEAR SPAN. THE "TIMES" GOES ON TO SAY THAT THE "TIMES" GOES ON TO SAY THAT YEAR AFTER YEAR, TRUMP APPEARS YEAR AFTER YEAR, TRUMP APPEARS TO HAVE LOST MORE MONEY THAN TO HAVE LOST MORE MONEY THAN NEARLY ANY OTHER INDIVIDUAL NEARLY ANY OTHER INDIVIDUAL AMERICAN TAXPAYER, CITING HIS AMERICAN TAXPAYER, CITING HIS RESULTS COMPARE TO INFORMATION RESULTS COMPARE TO INFORMATION COMPILED BY THE IRS ON COMPILED BY THE IRS ON HIGH-INCOME EARNINGS. HIGH-INCOME EARNINGS. >> WAIT A SECOND, MIKA. >> WAIT A SECOND, MIKA. ARE YOU SAYING -- ARE YOU SAYING -- >> HE’S THE BIGGEST LOSER. >> HE’S THE BIGGEST LOSER. >> -- OF ALL THE PEOPLE THAT >> -- OF ALL THE PEOPLE THAT FILED TAXES IN THE UNITED STATES FILED TAXES IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA OVER THIS DECADE, OF AMERICA OVER THIS DECADE, THAT DONALD TRUMP LOST MORE THAT DONALD TRUMP LOST MORE MONEY THAN EVERY OTHER AMERICAN? MONEY THAN EVERY OTHER AMERICAN? >> YEAH. >> YEAH. >> I MEAN, BACK THEN, IT IS LIKE >> I MEAN, BACK THEN, IT IS LIKE 250 MILLION PEOPLE. 250 MILLION PEOPLE. >> THAN ANYONE. >> THAN ANYONE. >> HE IS SPECIAL. >> HE IS SPECIAL. I MEAN, 1 OUT OF 250 MILLION. I MEAN, 1 OUT OF 250 MILLION. >> HE WON THAT ONE. >> HE WON THAT ONE. >> WOW. >> WOW. >> IN 1990 AND ’91, HIS CORE >> IN 1990 AND ’91, HIS CORE BUSINESS LOSSES TOTALED MORE BUSINESS LOSSES TOTALED MORE THAN $250 MILLION. THAN $250 MILLION. >> I’M SURE A LOT OF OTHER >> I’M SURE A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE WERE LOSING THEN. PEOPLE WERE LOSING THEN. >> MORE THAN TWICE THAT OF THE >> MORE THAN TWICE THAT OF THE NEAREST TAXPAYER IN THE IRS’ NEAREST TAXPAYER IN THE IRS’ INFORMATION FOR THOSE TWO YEARS. INFORMATION FOR THOSE TWO YEARS. >> OH. >> OH. HE LOST TWICE AS MUCH AS THE HE LOST TWICE AS MUCH AS THE BIGGEST LOSER UNDERNEATH HIM. BIGGEST LOSER UNDERNEATH HIM. >> AS ANYONE. >> AS ANYONE. >> TWICE AS MUCH. >> TWICE AS MUCH. >> THE PAPER ADDS THAT TRUMP -- >> THE PAPER ADDS THAT TRUMP -- >> OKAY, THAT’S BAD. >> OKAY, THAT’S BAD. >> -- LOST SO MUCH MONEY, HE WAS >> -- LOST SO MUCH MONEY, HE WAS ABLE TO AVOID PAYING INCOME ABLE TO AVOID PAYING INCOME TAXES FOR EIGHT OF THE TEN YEARS TAXES FOR EIGHT OF THE TEN YEARS THEY EXAMINED. THEY EXAMINED. >> HE DOESN’T PAY INCOME TAXES. >> HE DOESN’T PAY INCOME TAXES. >> THAT’S ONE WAY TO GET AROUND >> THAT’S ONE WAY TO GET AROUND TAXES. TAXES. >> YOU KNOW, WAIT. >> YOU KNOW, WAIT. THIS IS ALL SO CONFUSING. THIS IS ALL SO CONFUSING. >> I THOUGHT HE WAS SO >> I THOUGHT HE WAS SO SUCCESSFUL. SUCCESSFUL. >> I READ "THE ART OF THE DEAL" >> I READ "THE ART OF THE DEAL" AND WANTED TO GET INTO REAL AND WANTED TO GET INTO REAL ESTATE. ESTATE. AS YOU KNOW,INVESTMENTS. AS YOU KNOW,INVESTMENTS. THAT’S WHY WILLIE AND I GO TO THAT’S WHY WILLIE AND I GO TO THE DOG TRACK. THE DOG TRACK. >> THAT’S WHY I HANDLE THE >> THAT’S WHY I HANDLE THE CHECKBOOK. CHECKBOOK. >> LONG ON THE PUPPIES. >> LONG ON THE PUPPIES. >> WHAT’S SO INTERESTING IS, AND >> WHAT’S SO INTERESTING IS, AND WHY THIS ACTUALLY IS NEWS -- WHY THIS ACTUALLY IS NEWS -- REPUBLICANS GO, OH, THAT’S NOT REPUBLICANS GO, OH, THAT’S NOT RIGHT. RIGHT. >> CASE CLOSED. >> CASE CLOSED. >> CASE CLOSED. >> CASE CLOSED. THIS DOESN’T MEAN ANYTHING. THIS DOESN’T MEAN ANYTHING. IT ACTUALLY DOES. IT ACTUALLY DOES. WILLIE, THAT NBC REPORT FROM ’91 WILLIE, THAT NBC REPORT FROM ’91 ’91, THE BELIEF WAS THEN THAT ’91, THE BELIEF WAS THEN THAT DONALD TRUMP WAS FLYING HIGH IN DONALD TRUMP WAS FLYING HIGH IN THE ’80s, THEN CRASHED WHEN THE THE ’80s, THEN CRASHED WHEN THE ECONOMY WENT DOWN IN ’90/’91. ECONOMY WENT DOWN IN ’90/’91. THEY THINKS WENT TERRIBLY WRONG THEY THINKS WENT TERRIBLY WRONG FOR HIM. FOR HIM. WHAT THIS "NEW YORK TIMES" WHAT THIS "NEW YORK TIMES" REPORT SHOWS US IS IT WAS ULSALW REPORT SHOWS US IS IT WAS ULSALW A SCAM. A SCAM. EVEN IN THE YEARS LEADING UP TO EVEN IN THE YEARS LEADING UP TO "THE ART OF THE DEAL," HE’D LOST "THE ART OF THE DEAL," HE’D LOST HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. WHILE HE WAS LOSING MONEY, HIS WHILE HE WAS LOSING MONEY, HIS FATHER WAS MAKING MONEY. FATHER WAS MAKING MONEY. IN FACT, HIS FATHERS ONLY LOSSES IN FACT, HIS FATHERS ONLY LOSSES WERE INVESTMENTS IN HIS SON, AND WERE INVESTMENTS IN HIS SON, AND HE’D ALREADY GIVEN HIS SON THE HE’D ALREADY GIVEN HIS SON THE EQUIVALENT IN 2019, LIKE $415 EQUIVALENT IN 2019, LIKE $415 MILLION TO GET HIM STARTED. MILLION TO GET HIM STARTED. HE LOST ALL OF THAT MONEY. HE LOST ALL OF THAT MONEY. HE LOST ALL THE $415 MILLION AND HE LOST ALL THE $415 MILLION AND MORE. MORE. >> THIS IS THE SECOND CHAPTER IN >> THIS IS THE SECOND CHAPTER IN A STORY THAT BEGAN BY THE SAME A STORY THAT BEGAN BY THE SAME GROUP OF REPORTERS AT "THE NEW GROUP OF REPORTERS AT "THE NEW YORK TIMES" IN OCTOBER, WHEN YORK TIMES" IN OCTOBER, WHEN THEY WROTE THE PIECE ABOUT FRED THEY WROTE THE PIECE ABOUT FRED TRUMP, DONALD TRUMP’S FATHER WHO TRUMP, DONALD TRUMP’S FATHER WHO GAVE DONALD TRUMP ALL THE MONEY GAVE DONALD TRUMP ALL THE MONEY HE SQUANDERED OVER THE YEARS. HE SQUANDERED OVER THE YEARS. THIS IS THE NEXT CHAPTER IN A THIS IS THE NEXT CHAPTER IN A STORY THAT, AGAIN, DOES MORE STORY THAT, AGAIN, DOES MORE THAN POKE A HOLE. THAN POKE A HOLE. IT DEFLATES THE ENTIRE NARRATIVE IT DEFLATES THE ENTIRE NARRATIVE AROUND DONALD TRUMP, WHICH IS AROUND DONALD TRUMP, WHICH IS THAT HE MADE HIMSELF INTO THIS THAT HE MADE HIMSELF INTO THIS MAGNATE IN NEW YORK CITY. MAGNATE IN NEW YORK CITY. GOT ON TV, WROTE BOOKS ABOUT HOW GOT ON TV, WROTE BOOKS ABOUT HOW TO BE A MAGNATE. TO BE A MAGNATE. >> SO RICH. >> SO RICH. >> GOT A TV SHOW THAT WAS BASED >> GOT A TV SHOW THAT WAS BASED UPON THE FACT THAT HE WAS GREAT UPON THE FACT THAT HE WAS GREAT AT BUSINESS AND HE COULD TEACH AT BUSINESS AND HE COULD TEACH YOU TO BE GREAT AT BUSINESS. YOU TO BE GREAT AT BUSINESS. >> THIS IS THE "WIZARD OF OZ." >> THIS IS THE "WIZARD OF OZ." >> EVENTUALLY, IT MADE HIM >> EVENTUALLY, IT MADE HIM FAMOUS, IN PART, AND PUT IT INTO FAMOUS, IN PART, AND PUT IT INTO THE WHITE HOUSE. THE WHITE HOUSE. >> BEFORE "ART OF THE DEAL," HE >> BEFORE "ART OF THE DEAL," HE WAS ALREADY LOSING HUNDREDS OF WAS ALREADY LOSING HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. >> YEAH. >> YEAH. >> WROTE A BOOK ABOUT HOW YOU >> WROTE A BOOK ABOUT HOW YOU COULD BE A GOOD DEAL MAKER. COULD BE A GOOD DEAL MAKER. NOW, WE KNOW, HE WAS LOSING NOW, WE KNOW, HE WAS LOSING HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. PEOPLE THAT WERE READING THAT PEOPLE THAT WERE READING THAT BOOK, IT WAS WRITTEN BY ONE OF BOOK, IT WAS WRITTEN BY ONE OF THE LEAST SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS THE LEAST SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS PEOPLE IN ALL OF AMERICA. PEOPLE IN ALL OF AMERICA. >> THE PRESIDENT HAS RESPONDED >> THE PRESIDENT HAS RESPONDED THIS MORNING TO THE STORY. THIS MORNING TO THE STORY. >> GOOD. >> GOOD. >> TWEETING HIS RESPONSE TO "THE >> TWEETING HIS RESPONSE TO "THE NEW YORK TIMES" PIECE. NEW YORK TIMES" PIECE. QUOTE, REAL ESTATE DEVELOPERS IN QUOTE, REAL ESTATE DEVELOPERS IN THE 1980s AND ’90s, MORE THAN 30 THE 1980s AND ’90s, MORE THAN 30 YEARS AGO, WERE ENTITLED TO YEARS AGO, WERE ENTITLED TO MASSIVE WRITE-OFFS AND MASSIVE WRITE-OFFS AND DEPRECIATION, THERE’S THE WORD, DEPRECIATION, THERE’S THE WORD, THAT WOULD, IF ONE WAS ACTIVELY THAT WOULD, IF ONE WAS ACTIVELY BUILDING, SHOW LOSSES IN TAX BUILDING, SHOW LOSSES IN TAX LOSSES IN ALMOST ALL CASES. LOSSES IN ALMOST ALL CASES. MUCH WAS NON-MONETARY. MUCH WAS NON-MONETARY. SOMETIMES CONSIDERED, QUOTE, TAX SOMETIMES CONSIDERED, QUOTE, TAX SHELTERED. SHELTERED. YOU’D GET IT BY BUILDING OR EVEN YOU’D GET IT BY BUILDING OR EVEN BUYING. BUYING. YOU ALWAYS WANTED TO SHOW LOSSES YOU ALWAYS WANTED TO SHOW LOSSES FOR TAX PURPOSES. FOR TAX PURPOSES. ALMOST ALL REAL ESTATE ALMOST ALL REAL ESTATE DEVELOPERS DID. DEVELOPERS DID. >> YEAH. >> YEAH. >> OFTEN RENEGOTIATE WITH BANKS. >> OFTEN RENEGOTIATE WITH BANKS. IT WAS SPORT, WRITES THE IT WAS SPORT, WRITES THE PRESIDENT. PRESIDENT. >> IT WAS SPORT. >> IT WAS SPORT. IT WAS SPORT. IT WAS SPORT. THAT’S WHY -- THAT’S WHY -- >> LOSING MONEY. >> LOSING MONEY. >> I’M GLAD WE PLAYED THE PIECE >> I’M GLAD WE PLAYED THE PIECE FROM NBC. FROM NBC. THAT’S WHY HE HAD TO GIVE UP HIS THAT’S WHY HE HAD TO GIVE UP HIS 50% SHARE IN THE HYATT, IN 50% SHARE IN THE HYATT, IN MIDTOWN. MIDTOWN. THAT’S WHY HE HAD TO GIVE AWAY THAT’S WHY HE HAD TO GIVE AWAY TRUMP AIRLINES. TRUMP AIRLINES. THAT’S WHY HE HAD TO GIVE AWAY THAT’S WHY HE HAD TO GIVE AWAY HIS YACHT. HIS YACHT. THAT’S WHY -- THIS WASN’T SPORT. THAT’S WHY -- THIS WASN’T SPORT. THIS GUY WAS STRUGGLING TO, I THIS GUY WAS STRUGGLING TO, I MEAN, DO EVERYTHING HE COULD NOT MEAN, DO EVERYTHING HE COULD NOT TO GO BANKRUPT. TO GO BANKRUPT. AT THE END OF THAT PIECE, THE AT THE END OF THAT PIECE, THE BITTER IRONY, BUT HE GOT TO KEEP BITTER IRONY, BUT HE GOT TO KEEP HIS CASINOS. HIS CASINOS. >> YES. >> YES. >> WHICH COMPLETELY WIPED HIM >> WHICH COMPLETELY WIPED HIM OUT. OUT. HOW MANY BANKRUPTCIES DID HE HOW MANY BANKRUPTCIES DID HE FILE? FILE? A TO BE OFN OF BANKRUPTCIES. A TO BE OFN OF BANKRUPTCIES. THIS GUY WENT FROM THE FRYING THIS GUY WENT FROM THE FRYING PAN DIRECTLY INTO THE FIRE. PAN DIRECTLY INTO THE FIRE. >> THE CLOSING LINE OF HIS >> THE CLOSING LINE OF HIS TWEET, WHICH IS IMPORTANT, SO HE TWEET, WHICH IS IMPORTANT, SO HE DEFENDS EVERYTHING THAT HE DID. DEFENDS EVERYTHING THAT HE DID. >> YEAH. >> YEAH. >> HE SAYS, THE VERY OLD >> HE SAYS, THE VERY OLD INFORMATION PUT OUT IS A HIGHLY INFORMATION PUT OUT IS A HIGHLY INACCURATE, FAKE NEWS HIT JOB, INACCURATE, FAKE NEWS HIT JOB, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHY I ASKED WHICH IS EXACTLY WHY I ASKED SUZANNE CRAIG OF "THE NEW YORK SUZANNE CRAIG OF "THE NEW YORK TIMES" WHEN SHE WAS HERE IN THE TIMES" WHEN SHE WAS HERE IN THE LAST HOUR, AND I INVITE, IF YOU LAST HOUR, AND I INVITE, IF YOU WEREN’T UP THAT EARLY, WATCH IT WEREN’T UP THAT EARLY, WATCH IT ONLINE, TO HER EXPLAIN THE ONLINE, TO HER EXPLAIN THE REPORTING AND THE DOCUMENTS SHE REPORTING AND THE DOCUMENTS SHE HAD, HOW SHE AUTHORIZED THEM AND HAD, HOW SHE AUTHORIZED THEM AND AUTHENTICATED THEM, WHERE SHE AUTHENTICATED THEM, WHERE SHE GOT THEM AND WHY THEY ARE, IN GOT THEM AND WHY THEY ARE, IN FACT, CORRECT, AND NOT FAKE FACT, CORRECT, AND NOT FAKE NEWS. NEWS. IT IS FUNNY THAT HE GOES THROUGH IT IS FUNNY THAT HE GOES THROUGH AND EXPLAINS THE DOCUMENTS. AND EXPLAINS THE DOCUMENTS. >> RIGHT. >> RIGHT. >> AT THE END, SAYS, BUT NONE OF >> AT THE END, SAYS, BUT NONE OF THAT IS TRUE. THAT IS TRUE. THEY’RE ALL FAKE. THEY’RE ALL FAKE. >> AGAIN, HIS OWN STATEMENT >> AGAIN, HIS OWN STATEMENT CONTRADICTS ITSELF. CONTRADICTS ITSELF. NOT A SURPRISE. NOT A SURPRISE. MIKE? MIKE? >> THIS IS AN IMPORTANT STORY. >> THIS IS AN IMPORTANT STORY. IT IS A BIG STORY, ONE HE CAN IT IS A BIG STORY, ONE HE CAN TALK HIS WAY OUT OF. TALK HIS WAY OUT OF. EVEN WITH THE ENORMOUS LOSSES. EVEN WITH THE ENORMOUS LOSSES. ONE THING HE GETS TO IN PART ONE THING HE GETS TO IN PART TODAY IN HIS TWEETS, REACTION TO TODAY IN HIS TWEETS, REACTION TO THE STORY, AND IT IS SOMETHING THE STORY, AND IT IS SOMETHING THAT WILL PUT A CHILL ON ALL OF THAT WILL PUT A CHILL ON ALL OF HIS BIG RALLIES. HIS BIG RALLIES. IT IS THIS, HE PAYS NO TAXES. IT IS THIS, HE PAYS NO TAXES. >> NO TAXES. >> NO TAXES. >> HE’S GONE AROUND THE COUNTRY. >> HE’S GONE AROUND THE COUNTRY. THAT’S HOW PARTIALLY HE BECAME THAT’S HOW PARTIALLY HE BECAME PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, THE SYSTEM IS RIGGED. THE SYSTEM IS RIGGED. ELITES ARE AGAINST YOU. ELITES ARE AGAINST YOU. THE EAST COAST, YOU KNOW, BLAH, THE EAST COAST, YOU KNOW, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. BLAH, BLAH. HE PAYS NO TAXES. HE PAYS NO TAXES. TRY THAT OUT WHEN YOU’RE AT A TRY THAT OUT WHEN YOU’RE AT A BIG RALLY. BIG RALLY. >> LET’S BRING INTO THE >> LET’S BRING INTO THE CONVERSATION PROFESSOR OF CONVERSATION PROFESSOR OF PRINCETON UNIVERSITY, EDDIE GLAD PRINCETON UNIVERSITY, EDDIE GLAD JR., AND FORMER COLUMNIST, RON JR., AND FORMER COLUMNIST, RON FOURNIER, NOW THE PRESIDENT OF A FOURNIER, NOW THE PRESIDENT OF A DETROIT-BASED PR FIRM, NOW DETROIT-BASED PR FIRM, NOW OPENING A NEW OFFICE IN OPENING A NEW OFFICE IN WASHINGTON, D.C. WASHINGTON, D.C. I MAY ASK, RON, FOR A JOB BY THE I MAY ASK, RON, FOR A JOB BY THE END OF THIS INTERVIEW. END OF THIS INTERVIEW. >> YOU GOT IT. >> YOU GOT IT. >> RON, DONALD TRUMP SPENDS ALL >> RON, DONALD TRUMP SPENDS ALL OF 2016 AND BEYOND TALKING ABOUT OF 2016 AND BEYOND TALKING ABOUT HOW THE SYSTEM IS RIGGED. HOW THE SYSTEM IS RIGGED. WE FIND OUT THIS MORNING THAT, WE FIND OUT THIS MORNING THAT, FIRST OF ALL, HE’S THE BIGGEST FIRST OF ALL, HE’S THE BIGGEST LOSER WHEN IT COMES TO BUSINESS. LOSER WHEN IT COMES TO BUSINESS. NO INDIVIDUAL OVER THAT DECADE NO INDIVIDUAL OVER THAT DECADE LOST AS MUCH MONEY AS HE DID. LOST AS MUCH MONEY AS HE DID. NOW, DONALD TRUMP HAS JUST, NOW, DONALD TRUMP HAS JUST, BASICALLY, POLITICALLY INDICTED BASICALLY, POLITICALLY INDICTED HIMSELF. HIMSELF. HE’S POLITICALLY INDICTED HE’S POLITICALLY INDICTED HIMSELF BY SAYING, NO, NO, NO. HIMSELF BY SAYING, NO, NO, NO. I WAS JUST A SCAM ARTIST. I WAS JUST A SCAM ARTIST. EVEN THOUGH YOU’RE PAYING 28% OF EVEN THOUGH YOU’RE PAYING 28% OF YOUR SALARY TO THE IRS, I WAS YOUR SALARY TO THE IRS, I WAS GOING AROUND WITH YACHTS, BEAUTY GOING AROUND WITH YACHTS, BEAUTY QUEENS, PORN STARS, PLAYBOY QUEENS, PORN STARS, PLAYBOY BUNNIES, FLYING MY OWN 757, AND BUNNIES, FLYING MY OWN 757, AND I NEVER HAD TO PAY ANY TAXES. I NEVER HAD TO PAY ANY TAXES. >> RIGHT. >> RIGHT. >> HOW DOES THAT WORK? >> HOW DOES THAT WORK? >> HOW DOES ALL OF THIS WORK? >> HOW DOES ALL OF THIS WORK? WE NOW KNOW WHAT WE’VE KNOWN ALL WE NOW KNOW WHAT WE’VE KNOWN ALL ALONG, HIS ENTIRE CAREER WAS ALONG, HIS ENTIRE CAREER WAS BUILT ON A LIE, RIGHT? BUILT ON A LIE, RIGHT? YOU WOULD THINK THIS WOULD YOU WOULD THINK THIS WOULD BACKFIRE ON HIM. BACKFIRE ON HIM. THIS IS A GUY WHO HAS BEEN GOING THIS IS A GUY WHO HAS BEEN GOING AROUND THE COUNTRY FOR TWO AROUND THE COUNTRY FOR TWO YEARS, TALKING ABOUT -- FOR FOUR YEARS, TALKING ABOUT -- FOR FOUR YEARS, TALKING ABOUT THE SYSTEM YEARS, TALKING ABOUT THE SYSTEM BEING RIGGED. BEING RIGGED. WE HAVE THIS REPORT FROM THE WE HAVE THIS REPORT FROM THE MUELLER INVESTIGATION THAT MUELLER INVESTIGATION THAT CLEARLY SHOWS HE WAS OBSTRUCTING CLEARLY SHOWS HE WAS OBSTRUCTING JUSTICE IN PLAIN SIGHT. JUSTICE IN PLAIN SIGHT. THAT HE WAS RIGGING THE SYSTEM THAT HE WAS RIGGING THE SYSTEM IN THIS CASE. IN THIS CASE. HERE’S A GUY WHO HAS BEEN HERE’S A GUY WHO HAS BEEN RIGGING THE SYSTEM TO BENEFIT RIGGING THE SYSTEM TO BENEFIT HIM FOR YEARS. HIM FOR YEARS. HASN’T AFFECTED HIM POLITICALLY. HASN’T AFFECTED HIM POLITICALLY. HE WAS ELECTED PRESIDENT. HE WAS ELECTED PRESIDENT. EVEN AFTER THE MUELLER REPORT, EVEN AFTER THE MUELLER REPORT, NUMBERS HAVEN’T CHANGED. NUMBERS HAVEN’T CHANGED. LIVING NOW IN THE HEART OF TRUMP LIVING NOW IN THE HEART OF TRUMP COUNTRY, THE REASON HE IS SO COUNTRY, THE REASON HE IS SO BULLET PROOF WITH HIS BASE, I BULLET PROOF WITH HIS BASE, I THINK THERE’S THREE. THINK THERE’S THREE. ONE, HE’S PROMISED AND BROUGHT ONE, HE’S PROMISED AND BROUGHT DISRUPTION. DISRUPTION. PEOPLE WHO JUST WANT THINGS PEOPLE WHO JUST WANT THINGS SHAKEN UP. SHAKEN UP. EVEN IF IT IS NOT IN A PRETTY EVEN IF IT IS NOT IN A PRETTY WAY. WAY. TWO, HE’S CHANNELLING THESE TWO, HE’S CHANNELLING THESE PEOPLE’S GRIEVEANCES. PEOPLE’S GRIEVEANCES. HE’S NOT DOING IT HE’S NOT DOING IT CONSTRUCTIVELY, BUT HE’S CONSTRUCTIVELY, BUT HE’S CHANNELLING THEIR GRIEVANCES. CHANNELLING THEIR GRIEVANCES. THE THIRD, IN THIS TRIBAL THE THIRD, IN THIS TRIBAL SOCIETY, PEOPLE WEARING THE RED SOCIETY, PEOPLE WEARING THE RED JERSEY WANT TO SEE THE PEOPLE IN JERSEY WANT TO SEE THE PEOPLE IN THE BLUE JERSEY SQUIRM. THE BLUE JERSEY SQUIRM. I DON’T THINK THIS WILL AFFECT I DON’T THINK THIS WILL AFFECT HIS STANDING AMONGST HIS CORE AT HIS STANDING AMONGST HIS CORE AT ALL, EVEN THOUGH, IN A SANE ALL, EVEN THOUGH, IN A SANE WORLD, IT SHOULD. WORLD, IT SHOULD. >>OU KNOW, LET’S BE REALLY >>OU KNOW, LET’S BE REALLY CLEAR HERE, DONALD TRUMP HAD CLEAR HERE, DONALD TRUMP HAD SAID BEFORE THE SYSTEM WAS SAID BEFORE THE SYSTEM WAS RIGGED AND, YEAH, I GOT SOME RIGGED AND, YEAH, I GOT SOME ADVANTAGING OUT OF IT, BUT I’M ADVANTAGING OUT OF IT, BUT I’M GOING TO FIX IT WHEN I BECOME GOING TO FIX IT WHEN I BECOME PRESIDENT. PRESIDENT. WHAT HE DID, HIS MAJOR PIECE OF WHAT HE DID, HIS MAJOR PIECE OF LEGISLATION WAS A TAX BILL. LEGISLATION WAS A TAX BILL. >> RIGHT. >> RIGHT. >> THAT ACTUALLY RIGGED THE >> THAT ACTUALLY RIGGED THE SYSTEM EVEN MORE. SYSTEM EVEN MORE. IF IF THE DONALD TRUMP OF THE ’80s AND THE DONALD TRUMP OF THE ’80s AND ’90s THAT USED THE WRITE-OFFS ’90s THAT USED THE WRITE-OFFS COULD WRITE-OFF MORE MONEY. COULD WRITE-OFF MORE MONEY. BILLIONAIRES, PEOPLE BROKE LIKE BILLIONAIRES, PEOPLE BROKE LIKE DONALD TRUMP, COULD WRITE-OFF DONALD TRUMP, COULD WRITE-OFF MORE MONEY WHILE FLYING AROUND MORE MONEY WHILE FLYING AROUND ON THEIR JUMBO JETS, WHILE ON ON THEIR JUMBO JETS, WHILE ON THEIR YACHTS, THEIR 200 FOOT THEIR YACHTS, THEIR 200 FOOT YACHTS, AND NOT PAY TAXES. YACHTS, AND NOT PAY TAXES. WORKING CLASS AMERICANS GOT HIT WORKING CLASS AMERICANS GOT HIT WITH A TAX BILL EVERY APRIL WITH A TAX BILL EVERY APRIL 15th. 15th. >> ABSOLUTELY. >> ABSOLUTELY. YOU TURN THE SWAMP INTO A SEPTIC YOU TURN THE SWAMP INTO A SEPTIC TANK. TANK. I’M AN OLD COUNTRY BOY. I’M AN OLD COUNTRY BOY. REMEMBER THE SEPTIC TANKS? REMEMBER THE SEPTIC TANKS? >> YEAH, YEAH. >> YEAH, YEAH. >> I WANTED TO ADD A FOURTH -- >> I WANTED TO ADD A FOURTH -- >> DO THEY HAVE SEPTIC TANKS IN >> DO THEY HAVE SEPTIC TANKS IN PRINCETON? PRINCETON? I KNOW THEY DO IN MISSISSIPPI. I KNOW THEY DO IN MISSISSIPPI. >> IN MISSISSIPPI THEY DO. >> IN MISSISSIPPI THEY DO. >> OKAY. >> OKAY. >> I WANT TO ADD A FOURTH TO >> I WANT TO ADD A FOURTH TO RON’S POINT. RON’S POINT. I WATCHED GORDON, DUSTY ROSE, I WATCHED GORDON, DUSTY ROSE, YOU KNOW, WRESTLING, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, WRESTLING, RIGHT? >> HOLD ON A SECOND. >> HOLD ON A SECOND. IN MISSISSIPPI, IT WAS CALLED IN MISSISSIPPI, IT WAS CALLED RASTLING. RASTLING. >> I REMEMBER WATCHING IT WITH >> I REMEMBER WATCHING IT WITH MY GREAT GRANDDADDY. MY GREAT GRANDDADDY. HE KNEW IT WASN’T REAL, BUT HE HE KNEW IT WASN’T REAL, BUT HE WOULD COMPLAIN ABOUT THE BAD WOULD COMPLAIN ABOUT THE BAD GUYS, LIKE THE ASSASSINS, AND GUYS, LIKE THE ASSASSINS, AND HE’D JUST COMPLAIN OVER AND OVER HE’D JUST COMPLAIN OVER AND OVER AGAIN ABOUT, HOW COULD THEY AGAIN ABOUT, HOW COULD THEY BREAK THE RULES? BREAK THE RULES? THEY NEED TO SUSPEND THEM. THEY NEED TO SUSPEND THEM. HE KNEW IT ALL WAS FAKE. HE KNEW IT ALL WAS FAKE. >> RIGHT. >> RIGHT. >> HERE, WE HAVE EVIDENCE THAT >> HERE, WE HAVE EVIDENCE THAT DONALD TRUMP IS A FRAUD. DONALD TRUMP IS A FRAUD. CONCRETE EVIDENCE, ONCE AGAIN, CONCRETE EVIDENCE, ONCE AGAIN, HE IS FRAUD. HE IS FRAUD. DOESN’T MATTER. DOESN’T MATTER. WE ALL KNOW IT’S FAKE. WE ALL KNOW IT’S FAKE. WE’VE KNOWN IT’S FAKE. WE’VE KNOWN IT’S FAKE. JUST LIKE I USED TO ROOT FOR JUST LIKE I USED TO ROOT FOR DUSTY ROSE, THE CAJUN, HEY, IT DUSTY ROSE, THE CAJUN, HEY, IT DOESN’T MATTER. DOESN’T MATTER. THE SECOND POINT I’D WANT TO THE SECOND POINT I’D WANT TO MAKE OUTSIDE OF THAT, JUST THE MAKE OUTSIDE OF THAT, JUST THE ENTERTAINMENT OF IT ALL, THE ENTERTAINMENT OF IT ALL, THE FICTION OF IT ALL, NOT THAT HE FICTION OF IT ALL, NOT THAT HE IS OWNING IT, BUT THE IS OWNING IT, BUT THE ENTERTAINMENT OF IT ALL. ENTERTAINMENT OF IT ALL. THE SECOND IS THERE WAS A NUGGET THE SECOND IS THERE WAS A NUGGET IN THE REPORT. IN THE REPORT. THE WINDFALL OF $52.9 MILLION OF THE WINDFALL OF $52.9 MILLION OF INTEREST INCOME. INTEREST INCOME. THAT THEY COULDN’T ACCOUNT FOR. THAT THEY COULDN’T ACCOUNT FOR. BEYOND THE FACT IT IS EVIDENCE BEYOND THE FACT IT IS EVIDENCE THAT IS HARD-WIRED, FAKE FRAUD, THAT IS HARD-WIRED, FAKE FRAUD, IS THE FACT THAT, IS HE IS THE FACT THAT, IS HE LEVERAGED? LEVERAGED? CAN HE BE LEVERAGED? CAN HE BE LEVERAGED? WHERE HE IS HE GETTING THE MONEY WHERE HE IS HE GETTING THE MONEY FROM? FROM? THE $52.9 MILLION, THE CHAIR OF THE $52.9 MILLION, THE CHAIR OF THE COMMITTEE, THOSE INVESTING, THE COMMITTEE, THOSE INVESTING, OH, THEY HAVE NUGGETS HERE. OH, THEY HAVE NUGGETS HERE. >> THEY HAVE QUESTIONS. >> THEY HAVE QUESTIONS. >> BY THE WAY, I WAS A HULK >> BY THE WAY, I WAS A HULK HOGAN GUY. HOGAN GUY. BEAT THE KCOMMIS. BEAT THE KCOMMIS. THE QUESTION EDDIE GETS TO IS THE QUESTION EDDIE GETS TO IS WHAT ABOUT THE RECENT TAX WHAT ABOUT THE RECENT TAX RETURNS? RETURNS? THIS IS, AS I SAID, IF YOU GREW THIS IS, AS I SAID, IF YOU GREW UP AND LIVED IN NEW YORK IN THE UP AND LIVED IN NEW YORK IN THE ’80s, PEOPLE SORT OF KNEW THIS, ’80s, PEOPLE SORT OF KNEW THIS, SUSPECTED THIS, BUT WE HAVE THE SUSPECTED THIS, BUT WE HAVE THE NUMBERS NOW, AND THEY’RE BIGGER NUMBERS NOW, AND THEY’RE BIGGER THAN WE COULD HAVE IMAGINED. THAN WE COULD HAVE IMAGINED. $1 BILLION OVER THE COURSE OF A $1 BILLION OVER THE COURSE OF A DECADE IN LOSSES. DECADE IN LOSSES. WHAT ABOUT THE LAST SIX YEARS, WHAT ABOUT THE LAST SIX YEARS, TO EDDIE’S POINT ABOUT BEING TO EDDIE’S POINT ABOUT BEING LEVERAGED? LEVERAGED? WHO HAS HE DONE BUSINESS WITH? WHO HAS HE DONE BUSINESS WITH? WHO HAS LEVERAGE OVER HIM? WHO HAS LEVERAGE OVER HIM? HAS HE LOST MONEY, OWE MONEY? HAS HE LOST MONEY, OWE MONEY? WE NEED TO KNOW THESE THINGS. WE NEED TO KNOW THESE THINGS. THE PRESIDENT HAS A TEZREZ SIASU THE PRESIDENT HAS A TEZREZ SIASU SECRETARY, AS WITH OTHER SECRETARY, AS WITH OTHER POSITIONS IN WASHINGTON, POSITIONS IN WASHINGTON, PROTECTING HIM FROM THE PROTECTING HIM FROM THE INFORMATION BEING MADE INFORMATION BEING MADE REPUBLICAN. REPUBLICAN. >> CAN WE RECALL TRUMP’S OWN >> CAN WE RECALL TRUMP’S OWN BOYS, WHO THEY GOT THEIR MONEY BOYS, WHO THEY GOT THEIR MONEY FROM? FROM? THE RUSSIANS. THE RUSSIANS. TRUMP’S SONS SAID IN INTERVIEWS, TRUMP’S SONS SAID IN INTERVIEWS, WE GET MOST OF OUR WAY, THE LONG WE GET MOST OF OUR WAY, THE LONG HIDE THE DOCUMENTS, WHICH HIDE THE DOCUMENTS, WHICH THEY’VE BEEN DOING FOR FOUR THEY’VE BEEN DOING FOR FOUR YEARS, THE MORE SUSPICIOUS YOU YEARS, THE MORE SUSPICIOUS YOU GET. GET. >> DOCUMENTS WILL COME OUT >> DOCUMENTS WILL COME OUT EVENTUALLY. EVENTUALLY. IT IS INEVITABLE. IT IS INEVITABLE. YOU, JOE, MENTIONED THE KEY DATE YOU, JOE, MENTIONED THE KEY DATE IN TERMS OF POLITICS, IN TERMS IN TERMS OF POLITICS, IN TERMS OF HIS RE-ELECTION CAMPAIGN. OF HIS RE-ELECTION CAMPAIGN. IT IS, INDEED, APRIL 15th. IT IS, INDEED, APRIL 15th. A DAY EVERY AMERICAN APPROACHES A DAY EVERY AMERICAN APPROACHES WITH EITHER FEAR, ANGER, WHERE WITH EITHER FEAR, ANGER, WHERE AM I GOING TO GET THE MONEY, WHY AM I GOING TO GET THE MONEY, WHY ARE WE SPENDING SO MUCH IN ARE WE SPENDING SO MUCH IN TAXES? TAXES? APRIL 15th TO DONALD J TRUMP IS APRIL 15th TO DONALD J TRUMP IS ANOTHER SPRING DAY. ANOTHER SPRING DAY. >> IT’S A DAY HE DOESN’T PAHAVE >> IT’S A DAY HE DOESN’T PAHAVE PAY TAX. PAY TAX. OTHER AMERICANS DO. OTHER AMERICANS DO. YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT TRUMP YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT TRUMP SUPPORTERS. SUPPORTERS. THERE IS A DISCONNECT FROM THERE IS A DISCONNECT FROM REALITY. REALITY. I TALKED TO GOOD FRIENDS WHO I TALKED TO GOOD FRIENDS WHO HAVE BEEN TRUMP SUPPORTERS HAVE BEEN TRUMP SUPPORTERS FOREVER. FOREVER. ATTORNEYS, PROFESSIONALS. ATTORNEYS, PROFESSIONALS. YOU KNOW, WHY DID YOU VOTE FOR YOU KNOW, WHY DID YOU VOTE FOR TRUMP? TRUMP? ALL THESE YEARS LATER, YOU KNOW, ALL THESE YEARS LATER, YOU KNOW, THEY’LL SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, I THEY’LL SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, I AGREE WE NEEDED TO BUILD THE AGREE WE NEEDED TO BUILD THE WALL. WALL. HE’S GOING TO GET TOUGH ON HE’S GOING TO GET TOUGH ON ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. I WOULD SAY, WELL, YOU DO KNOW I WOULD SAY, WELL, YOU DO KNOW WHEN BARACK OBAMA LEFT OFFICE, WHEN BARACK OBAMA LEFT OFFICE, ILLEGAL BORDER CROSSES WERE AT A ILLEGAL BORDER CROSSES WERE AT A 50-YEAR LOW. 50-YEAR LOW. WE WERE PLAYING T-BALL THE LAST WE WERE PLAYING T-BALL THE LAST TIME. TIME. THEY’D SAY, WELL, I DON’T KNOW. THEY’D SAY, WELL, I DON’T KNOW. I DIDN’T KNOW THAT. I DIDN’T KNOW THAT. WELL, HE’S GOING TO GET TOUGH ON WELL, HE’S GOING TO GET TOUGH ON CRIME. CRIME. HE’S TOUGH. HE’S TOUGH. YOU DO KNOW THAT CRIME IS DOWN YOU DO KNOW THAT CRIME IS DOWN AT ITS LOWEST LEVEL, NEW YORK IS AT ITS LOWEST LEVEL, NEW YORK IS FOR NEW YORK CRIME. FOR NEW YORK CRIME. THEY NEVER HAD A REPORTED YEAR THEY NEVER HAD A REPORTED YEAR WHERE CRIME WAS AS LOW AS IT IS WHERE CRIME WAS AS LOW AS IT IS NOW. NOW. THERE’S SILENCE ON THE OTHER THERE’S SILENCE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE LINE. SIDE OF THE LINE. THEN YOU JUST HEAR, I LIKE HOW THEN YOU JUST HEAR, I LIKE HOW HE’S SHAKING UP WASHINGTON. HE’S SHAKING UP WASHINGTON. I DON’T LIKE NANCY PELOSI. I DON’T LIKE NANCY PELOSI. AGAIN, THESE ARE NOT -- THESE AGAIN, THESE ARE NOT -- THESE ARE NOT UNEDUCATED PEOPLE. ARE NOT UNEDUCATED PEOPLE. THESE ARE DOCTORS. THESE ARE DOCTORS. THEY ARE LAWYERS. THEY ARE LAWYERS. THEY ARE ACCOUNTANTS. THEY ARE ACCOUNTANTS. THEY HAVE SUSPENDED BELIEF. THEY HAVE SUSPENDED BELIEF. WE ALWAYS TRY TO PAINT IT AS WE ALWAYS TRY TO PAINT IT AS SOME UNEDUCATED DUPE. SOME UNEDUCATED DUPE. NO, NO, NO. NO, NO, NO. THERE’S VERY, VERY EDUCATED THERE’S VERY, VERY EDUCATED DUPES WHO DON’T KNOW THE FACTS. DUPES WHO DON’T KNOW THE FACTS. >> YEAH. >> YEAH. VOTERS DON’T KNOW. VOTERS DON’T KNOW. MOST VOTERS DON’T MAKE DECISIONS MOST VOTERS DON’T MAKE DECISIONS ON AN INTELLECTUAL LEVEL. ON AN INTELLECTUAL LEVEL. IT’S IN THE GUT. IT’S IN THE GUT. THESE PEOPLE YOU’RE TALKING THESE PEOPLE YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT, A LOT OF THEM VOTED FOR ABOUT, A LOT OF THEM VOTED FOR BILL CLINTON BECAUSE THEY WANTED BILL CLINTON BECAUSE THEY WANTED CHANGE AND DIDN’T GET IT. CHANGE AND DIDN’T GET IT. A LOT VOTED FOR BARACK OBAMA AND A LOT VOTED FOR BARACK OBAMA AND WANTED CHANGE AND DIDN’T GET IT. WANTED CHANGE AND DIDN’T GET IT. A LOT OF THE SAME PEOPLE VOTED A LOT OF THE SAME PEOPLE VOTED FOR DONALD TRUMP, ESPECIALLY IN FOR DONALD TRUMP, ESPECIALLY IN A STATE LIKE MICHIGAN. A STATE LIKE MICHIGAN. THEY WANT CHANGE. THEY WANT CHANGE. THEY KNOW THE POLITICAL SYSTEM THEY KNOW THE POLITICAL SYSTEM IS REALLY SCREWED UP. IS REALLY SCREWED UP. THEY’RE LOOKING FOR SOMEBODY TO THEY’RE LOOKING FOR SOMEBODY TO FIX IT. FIX IT. THEY’RE CLOSING THEIR MIND OFF THEY’RE CLOSING THEIR MIND OFF TO ANY OTHER FORM OF REALITY, TO ANY OTHER FORM OF REALITY, ESPECIALLY WHEN A CANDIDATE ESPECIALLY WHEN A CANDIDATE COMES ALONG IN TIMES LIKE THIS COMES ALONG IN TIMES LIKE THIS AND CHANNELS GRIEVANCES. AND CHANNELS GRIEVANCES. SOME OF THEM, THE WORST SOME OF THEM, THE WORST INSTINCTS HUMAN BEINGS CAN INSTINCTS HUMAN BEINGS CAN POSSIBLY HAVE, HE’S CHANNELLING POSSIBLY HAVE, HE’S CHANNELLING THE GRIEVANCES. THE GRIEVANCES. I THINK THE SCHEMING GETS WORSE I THINK THE SCHEMING GETS WORSE A YEAR FROM NOW, WHEN IT IS A A YEAR FROM NOW, WHEN IT IS A BINARY CHOICE. BINARY CHOICE. WHEN IT IS DONALD TRUMP VERSUS WHEN IT IS DONALD TRUMP VERSUS WHOEVER THE DEMOCRATS PUT UP. WHOEVER THE DEMOCRATS PUT UP. IF DEMOCRATS PUT UP SOMEBODY WHO IF DEMOCRATS PUT UP SOMEBODY WHO IS WAY TO THE LEFT, VERY IS WAY TO THE LEFT, VERY EXTREME, WHO IS REALLY EXTREME, WHO IS REALLY DISCONNECTED FROM THE HEARTLAND, DISCONNECTED FROM THE HEARTLAND, IT IS GOING TO MAKE THAT EVEN IT IS GOING TO MAKE THAT EVEN EASIER FOR THE PEOPLE YOU’RE EASIER FOR THE PEOPLE YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT, THOSE TALKING ABOUT, THOSE INTELLECTUAL DUPES TO MAKE A INTELLECTUAL DUPES TO MAKE A CHOICE FOR DONALD TRUMP AGAIN. CHOICE FOR DONALD TRUMP AGAIN. HE COULD GET RE-ELECTED. HE COULD GET RE-ELECTED. >> WHAT’S FASCINATING IS, THESE >> WHAT’S FASCINATING IS, THESE PEOPLE I’M TALKING ABOUT ARE, PEOPLE I’M TALKING ABOUT ARE, AGAIN, REALLY SMART PEOPLE. AGAIN, REALLY SMART PEOPLE. REALLY EDUCATED PEOPLE. REALLY EDUCATED PEOPLE. THERE’S JUST THIS ONE AREA WHERE THERE’S JUST THIS ONE AREA WHERE THEY PROFESS IGNORANCE ON STATS THEY PROFESS IGNORANCE ON STATS FROM DONALD TRUMP’S OWN FROM DONALD TRUMP’S OWN GOVERNMENT. GOVERNMENT. THEY’RE VERY GOOD AT WHAT THEY THEY’RE VERY GOOD AT WHAT THEY DO. DO. AGAIN, I’M SURE THERE ARE A LOT AGAIN, I’M SURE THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT CAN SIT THERE AND OF PEOPLE THAT CAN SIT THERE AND RATIONALIZE, YES, I KNOW THIS, I RATIONALIZE, YES, I KNOW THIS, I KNOW THAT, BUT I’M VOTEING FOR KNOW THAT, BUT I’M VOTEING FOR HIM ANYWAY BECAUSE I GOT A TAX HIM ANYWAY BECAUSE I GOT A TAX CUT. CUT. I LIKE HOW HE IS TOUGH ON IRAN. I LIKE HOW HE IS TOUGH ON IRAN. THAT’S FINE. THAT’S FINE. IF YOU’RE WILLING TO ACCEPT THE IF YOU’RE WILLING TO ACCEPT THE RACIST COMMENTS, WILLING TO RACIST COMMENTS, WILLING TO ACCEPT THE BIGOTED COMMENTS, THE ACCEPT THE BIGOTED COMMENTS, THE XENOPHOBEIA BECAUSE TAXES WERE
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He was always losing [someone else's] money.