Female-to-Male Trans Gain Male Privilege and it Sucks

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so this is an article in The Washington Post that was published last year in July but I didn't see it until now so I'm only gonna talk about it now but this is amazing is it true that transgender women - men can earn that juicy male privilege the answer is yes but the real question is does male privilege even exist and as these transgender ladies two men found out not really this all hinges on the fact that as they say it's a lot easier for women who take testosterone to become passing men as in they look like men people respond to them as if they are biologically male and treat them as such apparently it's very easy they say that all you need to do is give them testosterone and within six months to a year they start to virile eyes getting facial hair already a complexion changing body idea and a deepening of the voice so it's very easy for a woman to become masculine and look like a man but it's a lot more difficult for women for men who wants to transition to become female to change the fundamental shape of their bodies to look like a woman we spoke with four men who transitioned as adults to the bodies in which they feel more comfortable their experiences reveal the gulf between how society treats women and men is in many ways as wide now as it was when this first person first transitioned but their diverse backgrounds provide further insight in how to race and ethnicity inform the gender divide in subtle and sometimes surprising ways let's read on so this was a black woman who transitioned to become a black male black man and now they don't want to call the police because they find themselves being hassled by the police more often at least in their opinion women of course have no qualms about calling the police they don't even think twice but apparently as a man people have told them you're crazy you never call the police because just in the example here the the cop treated him as the person who's potentially going to be the problem apparently they get pulled over a lot more now I got pulled over more in the first two years after my transition than I did in the entire twenty years I was driving before lads Wow how's that male priviledge working out for you this is absolutely fascinating there are also ways in which men deal with sexism and gender oppression that I was not aware when I was walking around in a female body this is something we could probably describe as female privilege a couple of years after my transition I had a grad student I've been mentoring she started coming on to me stalking me sending me emails and texts my advisor and the Dean both women laughed it off I went on for the best part of the year and that euros the the euros going to tenure it was a very scary time I felt very worried that if the student felt I was not returning her affections she would claim that I had assaulted her I felt like as a guy I was not taken seriously I had experienced harassment as a female person at another university and they'd reacted immediately sending a police escort with me to and from campus it felt like I've if I've been a mile body I would've got a lot more support because you would demonstrably from your own experience this is something we could call female privilege this is something that men simply aren't privy to as you are now learning the hard way the next one is a chap called Xander qEEG who says it now feels although I'm on my own isn't that fascinating when you felt when you were a woman you felt that the society was there to support you now you're a man you don't feel societies that support you in fact it might be a bit of a problem for you really anyway prior to my transition I was an outspoken radical feminist no really that's that's really unusual I spoke up often loudly and with confidence I was encouraged to speak up I was given awards for my efforts literally it was like oh yeah speak up speak house but when I speak up now I'm often given the direct or indirect message that I am mansplaining taking up too much space or asserting my white male heterosexual privilege yeah yeah that's that's that's what they do to shut you the fuck up because before you had female privilege afterwards you are just a man no one needs to hear from you Oh white man even though you're a Mexican and a transsexual if they don't know that's if they can't perceive it by looking at you then you are in fact a straight white male and you have no place in this conversation because that is how they work it's how they've always worked it's how they will always work they can't conceive of a time when a white man might actually have something relevant to say but a woman oh yeah speak up speak out here's a fucking award for being a woman this is how unbelievably gynocentric Western societies are and I tell you what I am glad that these transgender people are here to tell us what it's actually like being women who then have to experience life as men it's a it's a bit different to how it was previously isn't it love I find the assertion that I'm now unable to speak out on issues I find important offensive oh do you fucking do you really that's fascinating do you still describe yourself as a radical feminist just out of interest that's something else I'd like to really know now that you've decided to join the team that has to shut up because of the way they were born do you find yourself feeling that feminism is packed part of the problem like the way that you used to view the world wasn't accurate and didn't really describe the lived experiences of men is that something that we're finding now my abilities empathize has grown exponentially because I now factor men into my thinking and feeling about situations no greater condemnation of feminism is possible it is an unimpressive female supremacy movement as this person is demonstrating they know what this is all about and now they're not subject and they're not privileged in this way by feminism suddenly oh god now it's nothing I have men think oh my goodness they're actually they have thoughts and feelings of their own and feminism doesn't do anything to address any of their problems imagine my shock prior to my transition I really consider how men experience life for what they thought wanted or liked about their life I have learned so much about the lives of men through my French was a man reading books and articles buying for men and blah blah blah social workers generally consent to be female dominated with women makeup 8-8 about 80% of the profession in the United States currently I work exclusively with clinical nurse case managers but in my previous position as a medical social worker working with chronically homeless military veterans mostly male who were grappling with substance use disorder and severe mental illness I was one of few men among dozens of women plenty of research shows that life events medical conditions and family circumstances impact men and women differently but when I would suggest that patient behavioral issues like anger or violence may be a symptom of trauma or depression it would often get dismissed or outright challenged the overarching theme was men are violent and there was no excuse for their actions you see what male privilege is like it must feel like kind of a curse having gone from being a female bodied person and enjoying all the privileges that came with it with that to becoming a male bodied person and being told that no you're inherently violence you are in fact the problem there is no excuse for your actions and in fact we don't even need to hear from you I do notice that some women do expect me to acquiesce or concede to them more now let them speak first let them board the bus first let them sit down first and so on oh really you mean as if they're enjoying the privileges of a class of people who think that they deserve this for being what they are merely being female means that you as a man must concede or acquiesce to them welcome to the real world neo isn't that a red pill I also noticed that in public spaces many more khaleja with me which they express through verbal and nonverbal messages head lifting when passed me on the sidewalk engine sounds like brother and bossman to acknowledge me yeah there isn't a sisterhood but there is kind of a brotherhood isn't there you know as a former lesbian feminist I was put off by the way that some women want to be treated by me now that I am a man because it violates a foundational belief I carry which is that women are fully capable human beings who do not need men to acquiesce concede to them I don't think they do need that but I think they've been enjoying that for such a long time that if you took it away from them it would feel like oppression isn't that how it works privilege is invisible to those who have it yeah oh we all of all of this feminist rhetoric is really coming back to bite them in the ass isn't it what continues to strike me is the significant reduction in friendliness and kindness now extended to me in public spaces it now feels though I'm on my own no one outside of my family and close friends is paying attention paying any attention to my well-being yes that's what it means when we say that society is gynocentric it cares about women more than it cares about men it's not equal it's it's deliberately weighted in one side in favor of one side instead of the other that's what you're discovering right now this is a real thing it's a phenomenon that happens all across the West welcome to the club this is fascinating I can recall a moment where this difference here home a couple of years into my gender transition I was traveling on a public bus early one weekend morning there was six people on the bus including me one was a woman she was talking on a mobile phone very loudly yeah remarks that men are such assholes I immediately looked up at her and then around the other men not one had lifted his head to look at the woman or anyone else yeah you get used to it mate the woman saw me look at her and then comments it to the person she was speaking to about some asshole on the bus right now looking at me I was stunned because I recall being in similar situations but in the reverse many times a man would say or do something deemed obnoxious or offensive and I would find solidarity with the women around me as we made eye contact rolled our eyes and maybe even commented out loud on the situation I'm not sure I understand why the men did not respond but it made a lasting impression on me yeah yeah you're on your own okay we understand and sometimes women are just assholes me and we men don't tend to unionize against women in the way that women tend to unionize against men as you just demonstrated no more solidarity for you I'm afraid enjoy that male privilege I've been serving you well let me get to the question of why do women talk all the because when you transition from being female to a male you kind of get sick of hearing them blabbing all the time apparently that's not my mic pads this person's opinion as a woman I'd walk down the hall and bump in some of my female co-workers and they say hey what's up and I'd say oh I describe this client meeting bla bla bla bla bla what's up with you and then they're telling their stories as a guy I bump into a guy in the hall he says what's up I launch into a story about my day and he's already down the hall and I'm thinking well that's rude so I think okay well I guess guys just don't really share so next time I'll keep it brief by the third time I realized you just not apparently people were only holding the door for me because I was a woman rather than out of common courtesy as I'd assumed not just men women too they learned this the first time I left the house presenting as a male when a woman entered a department store in front of me and just let the door swing shut behind her I was so caught off guard that I walked into it face first that's right as soon as you're out of the privileged Club you realize what women can be like when they're being inconsiderate to other people specifically men this whole stuff all of this comes down to the fact that you didn't know how good you had it you didn't know the way the women treat men and you thought that men were oppressing women you thought the men were the ones who were the source of all negative things and women were the perennial victims of that how much did you learn a the hormones made me more impatient I had lots of female friends and one of the qualities they loved about me was that I was a great listener after being on testosterone they've informed me that my listening skills weren't what they used to be well this is getting a bit biologically essentialist isn't it here's an example I'm driving with one of my best friends Beth and ask her is your sister meeting us for dinner ten minutes later she's still talking and I have no idea if her sister's coming so finally I couldn't take it anymore and I snapped is she coming or not and Beth was like you know used to like hearing all the backstory and how I get around to the answer a lot of us have noticed you've become very impatient lately and we think it's that damn testosterone so it turns out that biologically men and women are different and the hormones actually matter these actually inform our behavior which is why we have gender roles to inform how we should treat one another because of these biological differences what a fucking world we live in I can't believe that millennia of lived experience in traditional wisdom being reinforced by the ability of a man or woman to transition from one gender to the other what what an incredible world we live in it's definitely true that some male behavior is governed by hormones and I guess this comes back to the feminist interpretation that men are just violent beasts well I guess it's that damn testosterone isn't it instead of listening to a woman's problem and being empathetic and not nodding along I would do the stereotypical guy thing interrupt and provide a solution to cut the conversation short and move on I'm trying to be better about this maybe women should try and be better about it maybe we don't need to hear a woman's life story when we're asking a simple question I mean I'm just saying you know like this is genuinely something that matters apparently matters enough for the Washington Post a publish an article about this so okay women how can you change to make men's lives easier oh god that's fucking heresy isn't it how dare I even suggest that

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Imagine you're now treated as a man! Those goddamn males have it so easy!

👍︎︎ 18 👤︎︎ u/Strawberryweeb 📅︎︎ Feb 07 2019 🗫︎ replies

Wait, so now they're annoyed by passing and being accepted? Whoa

👍︎︎ 18 👤︎︎ u/cam2kx 📅︎︎ Feb 07 2019 🗫︎ replies

Lol yeah fuuuck that. Ill stay just as I am and keep on "smashing that patriarchy" topkek

👍︎︎ 4 👤︎︎ u/Xikyel 📅︎︎ Feb 07 2019 🗫︎ replies

This was both fun and sad to watch.

Fun because its all true and Sargon's tone is pretty funny.

Sad because its all true and am reminded of how lonely it is to be a man.

👍︎︎ 4 👤︎︎ u/Beliriak 📅︎︎ Feb 07 2019 🗫︎ replies

This is why TERFs actually make sense to me. Of course, say, trans women don't go through issues biological women actually face. Furthermore, they "enjoyed male privilege" during their formative years.

👍︎︎ 1 👤︎︎ u/mexicarne 📅︎︎ Feb 07 2019 🗫︎ replies