[MUSIC] >> Doug: HAPPY NEW YEAR. WELCOME TO "FATHER SPITZER'S UNIVERSE" IN THE NEW YEAR AT THE INTERSECTION OF FAITH AND REASON AS WELL. I'M DOUG KECK AS ALWAYS WITH YOU HERE TO BEGIN THE YEAR AND YOU CAN REACH OUT TO US VIA EMAIL, FACEBOOK, TWITTER, GO TO THE MAGIS CENTER WEBSITE AND CREDIBLECATHOLIC.COM IS WHAT WE USUALLY WORK THROUGH ON THE PROGRAM AND A GREAT SITE FOR TEACHING, ESPECIALLY YOUNG PEOPLE, CHECK THAT OUT AS WELL. OUR TOPIC FOR TODAY AS WE CONTINUE IS BASED ON FATHER'S NEW BOOK, "CHRIST VS. SATAN IN OUR DAILY LIVES" THE COSMIC STRUGGLE BETWEEN GOOD AND EVIL. AND OF COURSE THE BOOK IS NATURALLY AVAILABLE THROUGH OUR EWTN RELIGIOUS CATALOG, CALL QUICKLY. IT'S FLYING OFF THE SHELVES. YOU CAN CHECK THAT OUT. AND DON'T FORGET WE ALSO HAVE OTHER GREAT BOOKS THAT EWTN PUBLISHING PUTS OUT. THIS MONTH A BIBLICAL WAY OF PRAYING THE MASS BY A VERY POPULAR PRIEST, TIMOTHY GALLAGHER, YOU KNOW HIM WELL FROM THE NETWORK. A BIBLICAL WAY OF PRAYING THE MASS. CHECK IT OUT AT RELIGIOUS CATALOG HAS WELL. NOW WE TURN TO FATHER SPITZER WELCOMING THE NEW YEAR AND STARTING OFF WITH A PRAYER. >> ABSOLUTELY. IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT, AMEN. HEAVENLY FATHER WE HAVE ASK YOU TO BLESS OUR NEW YEAR, BLESS THIS COUNTRY AND OUR CULTURE IN IT. PLEASE BLESS OUR CHURCH AS WELL. SEND YOUR HOLY SPIRIT DOWN UPON DOUG, MYSELF, OUR WHOLE AUDIENCE THIS DAY SO THAT WHATEVER WE SAY AND DO WILL BE BROUGHT TO FRUITION IN YOUR WILL FOR THE GOOD OF YOUR PEOPLE, YOUR CHURCH AND YOUR KINGDOM. WE ASK YOU TOO, LORD, TO LOOK OUT OVER OUR FAMILIES AND OUR FRIENDS. PLEASE, TOO, JUST KEEP US IN YOUR GOOD CARE. WE ASK ALL OF THESE THINGS THROUGH JESUS OUR LORD, AMEN. >> AND MARY SEAT OF WISDOM AND SAINT ANDRÉ BESSETTE, PRAY FOR US. >> NAME OF THE FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT, AMEN. >> AMEN. SO HOW WERE YOUR HOLIDAYS THERE? HOW WAS YOUR CHRISTMAS AND NEW YEAR'S? >> THEY WERE EXCELLENT, SUBDUED AND I JUST GOT OFF OF MY RETREAT, VERY PRAYERFUL SO IT WAS A WONDERFUL, WONDERFUL TIME. >> WHEN YOU GO ON A RETREAT LIKE THAT WHAT DOES THAT HELP YOU DO? JUST CLEAR YOUR MIND? REFOCUS? RECONNECT? YOU KNOW IN ABOUT FOUR HOURS A PRAYER IN A DAY AND INTENTIONALLY FOCUS ON THE SPIRITUAL EXERCISES, REALLY DOES HELP YOU TO, YOU KNOW, RECOLLECT, YES, FOR SURE, BUT IN ADDITION TO THAT, IT REALLY HELPS YOU TO RECONSTITUTE YOURSELF IN THE LORD, MAKE THE LORD YOUR CENTER, AND THAT JUSTICE HELPS EVERYTHING YOU DO IN YOUR APOSTOLATE, THE MORE YOU DEEPEN YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM, THE MORE YOU KIND OF GALVANIZE YOUR RESOLVE TOWARD MORAL CONVERSION, THE BETTER OFF YOU'RE GOING TO BE. AND I THINK I COULDN'T -- SAINT IGNATIUS OF LOYOLA HAD A REAL GENIUS FOR NOVEMBERING THIS. HALF THE PEOPLE THAT I WORK AROUND ARE WORKAHOLICS AND THEY GET SO FOCUSED ON THEIR WORK SOMETIMES THE CONTEMPLATIVE COULD GO INTO SECOND PLACE BUT IGNATIUS PUT IT IN FIRST PLACE AND SAID WE'RE CONTEMPLATIVES IN ACTION. >> SOUNDS LIKE MOTHER IS ALWAYS SAYING, HAVE TIME TO GO IN FRONT OF THE BLESSED SACRAMENTS SO MAKE SURE TO GET YOUR PRIORITIES SAID. WITH THAT SID, ONE TOPIC IN THE NEWS, THERE'S A LOT OF NEWS IN POLITICS. IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THE PRO-LIFERS ARE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF CONTROL UNFORTUNATELY GOING FORWARD IN THIS NEW ADMINISTRATION, BUT THAT'S HOW PEOPLE VOTED AND SO THEY GET WHAT THEY WANT. >> SURE. >> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE CONTINUING WITH THIS KIND OF WOKE LANGUAGE OUT THERE, AND THE OTHER DAY IN THE HOUSE, SOMEONE ENDED A MASS -- A PRAYER, RIGHT, THAT SAID AMEN AND THEN AWOMAN. OBVIOUSLY, WE SIT -- IT SOUNDS SO SILLY, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT WOULD HAVE BEEN DONE ON A "SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE," YOU KNOW, PROGRAM, 10 YEARS AGO. TODAY WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO TAKE THIS SERIOUSLY. FIRST OF ALL WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THAT? AND SECOND OF ALL WHY SHOULD WE CARE? >> Fr. Spitzer: FIRST, IT'S KIND OF A MISUSE WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF A PRAYER YOU'RE GOING TO BRING OUT A SOCIAL ISSUE THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH EITHER THE PRAYER OR THE INTENTION OF BRINGING CONGRESS OFF TO A GOOD AND MORAL AND RIGHTEOUS YEAR. IT'S JUST COMPLETELY DIS CONSONANT. THAT'S ONE THING. THE SECOND THING IS YOU AMEN FOR JESUS IS A SOLEMN PRONOUNCEMENT. IT'S NOT TO BE FOOLED AROUND WITH. IT DOESN'T JUST MEAN "SO BE IT." IT MEANS I'M SAYING THIS SOLEMNLY, AMEN, AMEN, I SAY TO YOU SO THAT IDEA OF A SOLEMN PRONOUNCEMENT AND WE'RE TURNING IT INTO A SOCIAL ISSUE "AND A WOMAN" AS IF IT WERE THE PRAYER -- THIS PLAY ON WORDS IS AN APPROPRIATE WAY TO END A PRAYER? I MEAN, I COULDN'T THINK OF A MORE INSINCERE WAY OF ENDING THE PRAYER. SO WHAT DO I THINK OF IT? NOT MUCH. I THINK IT JUST TYPIFIES OUR CULTURE, TYPIFIES WHERE WE ARE, TYPIFIES THE SENSE OF, YOU KNOW, NO SACREDNESS, A SEC LAYER TEE IS JUST RUNNING RAMPANT. BUT YOU KNOW I DON'T WANT TO BE NEGATIVE IN THE NEW YEAR. LET ME JUST BRACKET IT ALL UP AND LET'S TRY TO START AGAIN WITH SOMETHING A LOT MORE APPROPRIATE, SACRED AND ORIENTED TOWARDS GOD'S WILL RATHER THAN THE USUAL SECULAR LINE. >> LET ME ASK YOU. THERE'S SOMETHING TEACHER THERE WHERE WE DEAL WITH PEOPLE AND THEY START CHANGING THE LANGUAGE OR MEANING OF WORDS RIGHT? >> OH, ABSOLUTELY. BUT OF COURSE THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON WITH NEW-THINK SINCE GEORGE ORWELL WROTE 1981, I DON'T KNOW WHEN IT WAS. >> PROBABLY IN '48 HE WROTE IT. >> EXACTLY. AND WE'RE JUST DOING NEW-THINK AND EUPHEMISMS HAVE BECOME OUR NEW REALITY, IN WHICH WE LIVE. I THINK WE BELIEVE THE EUPHEMISM MORE THAN WE ACTUALLY BELIEVE ANY KIND OF FACTUAL DATA WE CAN GET OUR HANDS ON. IS IT'S VERY UNFORTUNATE BUT WE'RE GOING TO BECOME A LET ME TELLING SOCIETY IF WE DON'T SITUATE OURSELVES TO THIS. >> PANDERING HAS BECOME AN ABSOLUTE PROFESSION. IT'S EASY WHEN SOMEBODY IS TELLING YOU THE HARD TRUTH AND SOMEBODY IS TELLING YOU WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO BELIEVE AND IT'S EASIER TO GO DOWN THAT PATH. AND BROAD AND WIDE IS THAT PATH. HERE IS ANOTHER QUESTION. LET'S GET TO THE QUESTIONS THAT WE HAD THAT HAVE BEEN CARRIED OVER FROM LAST YEAR. THIS IS SOMETHING I NEVER HEARD OF UNTIL ABOUT A MONTH OR SO BUT WE HAVE MORE LETTERS ABOUT IT. IMPRECATORY PRAYER. IMPRECATORY -- AND THIS PERSON SAYS THEY'RE CONFUSED. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IMPRECATORY IS A PRAYER THAT INVOKES JUDGMENT, CALAMITY OR CURSES UPON ONE'S ENEMIES OR THOSE PERCEIVED AS THE ENEMIES OF GOD, SUCH AS SOME IN THE PSALMS. I HAVE HEARD IT'S DANGER FOR LAITY TO PRAY AGAINST DEMONS AND ONLY PRIESTS SHOULD COMMUNICATE WITH THEM. THE LAITY SHOULD ONLY PRAY TO GOD AND THE SAINTS. AM I MISSING SOMETHING HERE? THIS IS HANK. >> Fr. Spitzer: HANK, YOU'RE RIGHT. THERE ARE IMPRECATORY PSALMS AND IMPRECATORY PSALMS DO IN FACT INVOKE A CURSE ON PEOPLE. THAT IS CORRECT. AND THERE ARE MANY IMPRECATORY PSALMS. NOW, OF COURSE, CHRISTIANS DON'T INVOKE CURSES ON ANYONE INCLUDING THEIR ENEMIES. SO THIS IS A PLACE WHERE JESUS HAS BASICALLY SUPERSEDED, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE INTENTIONALITY IN THE PSALMS AND, INSTEAD, SAYS, LOVE YOUR ENEMIES RATHER THAN CURSING THEM. BUT IT IS TRUE THAT ENEMIES OF THE ISRAELITE PEOPLE, THERE ARE IMPRECATORY PSALMS THAT DO INVOKE CURSES UPON PEOPLE AND THE INTENTION IS OF COURSE FOR GOD TO PROTECT HIS PEOPLE, SO IT'S A POSITIVE INTENTION BUT ACTUALLY IT DOES INVOKE WOE ON THE ENEMY WHO IS, AS IT WERE, THERE ANYTHING THE LIVELIHOOD OF THE PEOPLE. SO THAT'S -- THAT IS DEFINITELY A VERY IMPORTANT MEANING OF IMPRECATORY, IMPRECATORY PSALMS, IMPRECATORY PRAYER. AND YOU ARE; RIGHT. WITH RESPECT TO THE SECOND IDEA ABOUT YOU KNOW, NOT SPEAKING WITH THE DEVIL, WHEN YOU SAY THIS PRAYER, WHICH I BELIEVE I GAVE MAYBE THREE WEEKS AGO -- THE PRAYER THAT GOES SOMETHING ALONG THESE LINES -- "IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST I SAY WE GONE SATAN" YOU ARE NOT TRY FOG COMMUNICATE WITH SATAN. YOU ARE NOT TRYING TO ENGAGE HIM IN A DIALOGUE. YOU ARE USING THE POWER AND THE NAME AND THE HOLY SPIRIT INVOKED THROUGH THE NAME OF JESUS TO SEND SATAN FAR, FAR AWAY FROM YOU. SO THE IDEA HERE IS YOU'RE NOT SPEAKING WITH HIM IN THE SENSE OF ENGAGING HIM IN CONVERSATION. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY DON'T ENGAGE HIM IN CONVERSATION. ABSOLUTELY DON'T THROW OUT, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING WHICH HE CAN RESPOND TO OR GET AN AVENUE INTO YOU. DO THE ONE THING YOU CAN REALLY DO WHEN YOU'RE SPEAKING TO SATAN -- TELL HIM TO GET OUT OF HERE. IN OTHER WORDS, TELL HIM BEGONE. AND USE THE NAME OF JESUS. DON'T SAY IT IN YOURSELF BY YOUR OWN POWER. IN THE NAME OF JESUS, BEGONE SATAN. IN THE NAME OF JESUS WHO IS MY LORD AND SAVIOR, BEGONE, SATAN. THAT YOU CAN DEFINITELY DO. >> Doug: VERY GOOD. NEXT UP, DEAR FATHER SPITZER MY WIFE AND I WERE DISCUSSING THE FEAST DAY WE HAD FOR THE IMMACULATE CONCEPTION OF THE BLESSED VIRGIN MARY AND WHAT THAT MEANT FOR MARY'S LIVELIHOOD GROWING UP SINCE SHE WAS CONCEIVED WITHOUT ORIGINAL SIN. DID THIS MEAN SHE DID NOT HAVE TO DEAL WITH CON ACCUSE PENCE IN HER LIFE? WOULD HER PARENTS HAVE NOTICED THIS DIFFERENT BEHAVIOR IN HER LIFE FROM OTHER CHILDREN? IT SEEMS SHE WOULD STAND OUT FROM THE OTHERS GROWING UP. THIS IS FROM RICH AND MARY. >> Fr. Spitzer: RICH AND MARY, I'VE OFTEN THOUGHT A LOT ABOUT THE SAME THING. WE'RE NOT GIVEN A WHOLE LOT OF THE THEOLOGICAL INTERPRETATION OF THIS OR SCRIPTURAL INTERPRETTATION OF WHAT IT MEANT WHILE SHE WAS GROWING UP. WOULD SHE HAVE USED THIS LACK OF -- FIRST OF ALL, YES, SHE WAS NOT DEALING WITH CONCUPISCENCE, SHE WOULD HAVE BEEN FREE IN THE SAME WAY THAT WE'RE FREE FROM IT NOW, BY OUR BAPTISM, SO, OF COURSE, COULD THE DEVIL STILL TRY AND GET AT HER? OH, YES. COULD HE TRY AND TEMPT HER? OH, YES. IN FACT HE COULD TRY AND TEMPT JESUS AND IN FACT DID. SO YOU KNOW, THE FIRST POINT TO BE MADE IS, YES, THERE'S NO QUESTION SHE STILL HAD TO CONTEND WITH TEMPTATION, STIM HAD 20 CONTEND WITH THE DEVIL'S DECEIT. HOWEVER, SHE DOESN'T HAVE THAT KIND OF CHINK IN HER ARMOR FROM THE BEGINNING WHERE SHE IS VULNERABLE TO THOSE TEMPTATIONS IN THE SAME WAY THAT WE ARE BEFORE OUR BAPTISM. . BY THE WAY, THIS SPEAKS CLEARLY FOR WHY INFANT BAPTISM IS IMPORTANT. WE WANT TO GIVE OUR KIDS, WHEN THEY REACH THAT AGE OF REASON, WHEN THEY'RE ATTEMPTABLE IN A WAY THEY CAN VOLUNTARILY AGREE WITH, WE WANT THEM TO BE ALL VOUCHSAFE AND EDUCATED AND FREED FROM, YOU KNOW, CONCUPISCENCE TO THE EXTENT THAT JESUS' VOLUNTEER ACT CAN DO IT. SO, YES, THAT PART IS DEFINITELY TAKEN AWAY FROM MARY. NOW WOULD SHE HAVE SORT OF SHOWN THAT OFF? WOULD SHE HAVE SORT OF PUT HERSELF HIGH AND MIGHTY ABOVE ALL OF THE OTHER KIDS? NO. I THINK SHE -- I DON'T THINK SHE WOULD HAVE ENGAGED IN THE STAPLE KIND OF SILLINESS AS OTHER KIDS, FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES, MARY WOULD HAVE NOT BEEN SHOWING THIS OFF IN ANY WAY, I'M ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN OF THAT. FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES TOO, I THINK HE IS ALSO HAD A -- YOU KNOW, A REAL ENGAGEMENT WITH SATAN HERSELF. I'M SURE SHE DID. SATAN LEAVES NO ONE ALONE INCLUDING THE LORD JESUS. AND ALSO I THINK HE IS PROBABLY HAD TO DEAL WITH KIDS WHO WERE PRESENTING HER WITH ALL KINDS OF OPTIONS TO DO THINGS, WHERE SHE HAD TO BE A LEADER IN HELPING THEM TO SEE THE VIRTUAL USE WAY, AND SHE STILL IS THAT LEADER FOR US TODAY. OF COURSE, ALWAYS, RESPECTING IN LISTENING TO THAT, THE IDEA OF THE CHINK IN THE ARMER ARE BECAUSE WAS WE TALKED ABOUT FREE WILL BEING SO IMPORTANT, SO IT'S NOT LIKE WHEN OUR LADY WAS IMMACULATELY CONCEIVED SO SHE DOESN'T HAVE ORIGINAL SIN; SHE LOSES HER FREE WILL SO THAT SHE CAN'T POSSIBLY SIN BECAUSE IT'S IMPOSSIBLE FOR HER TO SIN, BUT SHE CHOOSES NOT TO DO THAT. IS THAT WHAT IT IS? >> Fr. Spitzer: THAT'S RIGHT. AND THE WEAKENING OF HER NATURE THAT WOULD HAVE OCCURRED THROUGH ORIGINAL SIN SHE'S NOT VULNERABLE IN THAT WAY. BUT OH, SHE'S QUITE TEMPTABLE JUST AS THE LORD MADE HIMSELF PERFECTLY HUMAN. HE WAS TEMPTABLE, AND YOU PUT YOUR FINGER RIGHT ON IT. THE REASON IS HE HAS FREE WILL. HE IS FREE WILL. AND SO THAT FREE WILL OF COURSE COULD BE ENGAGED BY SATAN AT ANY TIME, HER IMAGINATION COULD BE ENGAGED BY SATAN AT ANY TIME BUT SHE HAD THE STRENGTH AND GRACE THAT COMES FROM WHAT WE GET IN BAPTISM AND SHE WAS ABLE TO UTILIZE THAT ADDITIONAL STRENGTH IN HER FREE CHOICES TO CHOOSE, AS YOU PUT IT, VERY PROPERLY, TO CHOOSE THE WAY OF GRACE. >> Doug: WHICH GIVES YOU SOME SOME WAYS EVEN MORE RESPECT FOR OUR LADY. >> Fr. Spitzer: OH, YEAH. ABSOLUTELY. SHE WAS DEFINITELY CHOOSING VIRTUE, NO QUESTION. SHE WAS ATTEMPTED. I'M ABSOLUTELY SURE SHE WAS. >> Doug: NUMBER THREE: DEAR FATHER SPITZER. NOW, SINCE JESUS WAS NOT KNOWN TO BE THE MESSIAH UNTIL HIS PUBLIC MINISTRY, THE STORY OF THE WISE MAN'S RECITATION COULD ONLY BEGAN AFTER HE STARTED HIS PUBLIC MINISTRY, AFTER MARY AND-OVERS TO THE APOSTLES. HOW WOULD MARY AND JOSEPH KNOW THAT THE MAGI WERE WARNED IN A DREAM NOT TO RETURN TO HEROD AND OTHER SUCH DETAILS? CHARLES. >> Fr. Spitzer: CHARLES, THE TRUE ANSWER IS NO ONE KNOWS. NOT I, NOT ANY SCRIPTURE SCHOLAR. WE JUST DON'T KNOW. WHAT WE DO KNOW, THOUGH, IS THAT ORAL TRADITIONS ARE COMPLEXLY INTERWOVEN. WE HAVE NO IDEA WHO GETS INFORMED OF WHAT, HOW PEOPLE KNOW THINGS. WE KNOW THAT SOME OF THE APOSTLES ACTUALLY KNEW SOME OF THE SERVANTS OF HEROD. WEE KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF WAYS IN WHICH PEOPLE COULD HAVE BEEN INFORMED ABOUT THIS OR SOMEBODY HEARD ABOUT THAT, BUT WE JUST HAVE NO IDEA HOW THOSE THINGS WOULD HAVE COME TO PASS. SO BASICALLY WE HAVE TO CONTEND OURSELVES WITH SAYING, OKAY, THIS IS SCRIPTURE, IT'S INSPIRED. I'M FOLLOWING IT BECAUSE IT IS INSPIRED AND THE CHURCH HAS DECLARED IT TO BE INSPIRED, AND WHEN I GET TO HEAVEN, I WILL GET ALL OF THE DETAILS. AND THAT'S THE WAY I LOOK AT IT YOU KNOW? I'M SITTING THERE PRAYING MY ROSARY AND ALL OF THESE QUESTIONS WILL POP UP IN MY HEAD WHICH I HAVE NO POSSIBLE WAY OF ANSWERING BECAUSE ALL OF THE HISTORICAL SOURCES OR POTENTIAL HISTORICAL SOURCES HAVE LONG SENSE PASSED AWAY INTO THE HANDS OF THE LORD, SO I'M JUST SITTING THERE GOING OKAY, LORD, I'M GOING TO ASK YOU THAT QUESTION WHEN I GET TO HEAVEN. OR I'M ALWAYS SAYING I WILL ASK EITHER YOU OR ST. THOMAS WHEN I GET TO HEAVEN, AND I JUST HAVE TO LEAVE IT UP TO THAT TIME, BECAUSE WE HAVE NO POSSIBLE ACCESS TO THOSE SOURCES. SO JUST REMEMBER, THE CHURCH HAS DECLARED IT INSPIRED, AND THAT MEANS YOU CAN FOLLOW IT, AND WHEN YOU FOLLOW IT, IT WILL ALWAYS LEAD YOU TO SALVATION. THAT'S WHAT IT MEANS. AND WE WILL FIGURE OUT ALL OF THE SOURCES AND FIGURE OUT ALL OF THE NUANCES WHEN WE GET TO HEAVEN AND CAN ASK THE LORD HIMSELF. >> Doug: AND YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE THINGS LIKE THIS DON'T BECOME A DISTRACTION TO YOUR FAITH. >> THEY CAN BE? >> I KNOW PEOPLE WHO SAY I CAN'T PRAY THE ROSARY. I GET TO THE FIRST MYSTERY AND I THINK WHAT ABOUT THIS AND WHAT ABOUT THIS? AND I JUST THROW MY ARMS UP AND I GO -- YOU KNOW AT SOME POINT YOU JUST HAVE TO SAY I'M NEVER GOING TO FIGURE THIS OUT. I WILL HAVE TO ASK THE LORD WHEN I GET UP THERE. WHAT I RECOMMEND PEOPLE TO IS JUST TALK TO THE LORD ABOUT IT AND JUST SAY, LORD, I'M NOT SURE OF THIS QUESTION, YOU KNOW, BUT I'M JUST TALKING TO YOU NOW. OR, MARY, I CAN'T ANSWER THIS QUESTION BUT I'M JUST SAYING, OKAY, I BELIEVE THIS HAPPENED TO YOU, AND YOU JUST KIND OF LEAD ME ALONG TO MY SALVATION THROUGH THIS INSPIRED MOMENT, IN THIS MYSTERY OF THE ROSARY, AND WHEN I GET TO HEAVEN YOU CAN TELL ME ALL ABOUT IT. SO I JUST BRING HER RIGHT INTO THE PRAYER FOR THE JOYFUL MYSTERIES. FOR THE LUMINOUS MYSTERIES AND SORROWFUL AND THE GLORIOUS MISS TREES I JUST BRING JESUS RIGHT INTO THE PRAYER. FOR THE LAST TWO GLORIOUS MYSTERIES I BRING MARY BACK INTO THE PRAYER. SO BASICALLY IF I HAVE QUESTIONS I JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, MARY, I KNOW THIS SIN SPIRED, SO THEREFORE YOU LEAD ME TO SALVATION THROUGH THIS MYSTERY AND THEN WHEN I GET TO HEAVEN YOU CAN SORT OUT ALL OF THE DETAILS. AND THEN JUST GO TO PRAYER. JUST START PRAYING AND THE MAIN THING IS CONNECT WITH MARY OR TO CONNECT WITH THE LORD. THAT'S THE MAIN THING. AND OF COURSE THAT RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM OR TO THANK THE LORD FOR HIS PASSION IN THE VARIOUS EVENTS OF HIS PASSION AND TO THANK THE LORD OR ADMIRE THE LORD, YOU KNOW, IN THE LUMINOUS MYSTERIES WHEN HE IS BEING BAPTIZE DIZZY OR PREACHING THE KINGDOM OF GOD OR AT THE WEDDING FEAST OF CANA, SO THE MAIN THING IS CONNECT WITH THE LORD, AND JUST TELL HIM HOW GRATEFUL YOU ARE AND HOW MUCH YOU LOVE THEM. AND THAT'S WHAT THE PRAYER SHOULD BE ABOUT. DON'T LET IT GO IN THE WAY OF JUST OCCUPYING YOU BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT KIND OF THING OR WHAT I CALL THE OBSESSIVE QUESTION." I'M NEVER GOING TO LET IT GO BECAUSE I HAVE TO KNOW BEFORE I CAN PRAY THIS." IT'S JUST A PURE ACT OF PRIDE. THAT'S GOT TO BE THE EVIL SPIRIT TEMPTING YOU TO MAKE THE QUESTION OBSESSIVE. SO JUST SAY I DON'T HAVE TO KNOW. RECORD, WHEN I GET TO HEAVEN COULD YOU KINDLY STRAIGHTEN THIS OUT. THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SAY IS IT A MUCH BETTER HOLY SPIRIT PRAYER. SKIP THE OBSESSIVE QUESTION THAT COMES FROM THE EVIL ONE, BECAUSE HIS WHOLE OBJECTIVE IS TO PREVENT YOU FROM CONNECTING WITH THE LORD AND RELATING TO THE LORD IN PRAYER. >> SOMETIMES I HAVE HEARD PEOPLE SAY, LORD I BELIEVE HELP ME WITH MY UNBELIEF. >> Fr. Spitzer: YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD -- THAT'S AN EXCELLENT PRAYER, TOO. ABSOLUTELY. OR YOU KNOW, STRAIGHTEN IT OUT WHEN WE GET TO HEAVEN OR I GET TO HEAVEN. ANYTHING LIKE THAT IS GREAT. AND I WOULD SAY THAT'S YOUR BEST BET. DON'T TRY AND FIGURE IT OUT. NOW, WHO CAN POSSIBLY DO THIS? YOU CAN READ A MILLION SOURCES WITH A MILLION DIFFERENT OPINIONS, BECAUSE NOBODY KNOWS AND THEY JUST GO, WELL, HERE IS MY OPINION. AND YOU KNOW WHAT THEY SAY, OPINIONS ARE UBIQUITOUS, YOU KNOW, WHO IS RIGHT WHEN YOU HAVE NO HISTORICAL SOURCE. NOBODY. OH, WELL SOMEBODY IS RIGHT, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHO IT IS. WE WILL NEVER FIGURE IT OUT. >> Doug: NEXT UP. DEAR FATHER SPITZER, IS IT THROUGH EACH OF US IS ASSIGNED A GUARDIAN ANGEL AT THE MOMENT OF CONCEPTION DEVOTED TO US THROUGHOUT OUR LIFE? WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE DIE? I KNOW THIS HAS COME UP AT LEAST ONCE IN THE PAST. >> Fr. Spitzer: WE ARE DEFINITELY ASSIGNED A GUARDIAN ANGEL. AND BELIEVE ME I HAVE TIRED MINE OUT JUST THROUGH MY EXISTENCE. NOW MOST OF THE TIME, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF WHAT WE CALL THEOLOGICAL SPECULATION THAT CONCERNS WHAT HAPPENS TO THE GUARDIAN ANGELS BUT THERE'S NOTHING DEFINITE ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE GUARDIAN ANGELS ONCE YOU HAVE DIED, YOU HAVE GOTTEN INTO HEAVEN, YOUR PERSONAL GUARDIAN ANGEL WAS PERSONAL. DOES HE GET REASSIGNED, AS IT WERE, OR DOES HE NOW JUST ENJOY THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN WITH THE LORD, WITH YOU, AND DOES NOT GET REASSIGNED? AGAIN THIS IS ONE OF THOSE QUESTIONS UNFORTUNATELY WE WILL HAVE TO ASK THE LORD WHEN WE GET TO HEAVEN BECAUSE THAT IS NOT A DECIDED QUESTION, IT'S NOT DID HE FIDE, WHICH MEANS IT'S DEFINED ESSENTIALLY BY THE CHURCH AS DOCTRINE. SO WE WILL HAVE TO WAIT. BUT BOTH THEOLOGICAL OPINIONS ARE OUT THERE SO WE JUST WILL HAVE TO SAY I WILL BELIEVE THE ONE I WOULD LIKE TO BELIEVE BUT MEANTIME I JUST LEAVE IT UP TO GOD'S GOODWILL BECAUSE WHATEVER HIS WILL IS WILL BE DEFINITELY GOOD ARE US AND GOOD FOR EVERYONE ELSE. >> Doug: VERY GOOD. AND THE GUARDIAN ANGELS TOO. DEAR FATHER SPITZER I HAVE A DEEP DESIRE TO GO TO CONFESSION. HOWEVER I'M 77 YEARS OLD AND DEALING WITH DEMENTIA AND CANNOT REMEMBER WHAT I DID ONE OR TWO DAYS AGO. HOW DO I MAKE A GOOD CONFESSION? LUCY. >> Fr. Spitzer: LUCY, THE LORD KNOWS ABOUT YOUR DEMENTIA. AND BECAUSE HE KNOWS YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE A GOOD CONFESSION AND YOU CAN'T REMEMBER THINGS, THE BEST YOU CAN DO RIGHT NOW IS TO WRITE DOWN A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT YOU CAN REMEMBER. AND THEN TRY TO PUT THAT TOGETHER SO THAT WHEN YOU DO GO TO CONFESSION YOU CAN JUST READ SOME OF THOSE THINGS OFF. AND THEN IF YOU'RE NOT SURE BECAUSE, RIGHT, YOU'RE HAVING MEMORY PROBLEMS, IF YOU'RE NOT SURE OF WHETHER YOU REAL DID THIS OR NOT OR WHETHER THIS IS ONE OF THOSE FREE-FLOATING IMAGES COMING INTO YOUR MIND, JUST TELEPHONE THE PRIEST, I'M NOT SURE WHETHER I DID THIS BUT I THINK I MIGHT HAVE DONE THIS. MY MEMORY IS NOT SO GOOD. AND THAT'S THE PERFECT CONFESSION FOR YOU, LUCY. AND WHEN THE PRIEST GIVES YOU ABSOLUTION YOU ARE FREED FROM YOUR SINS BECAUSE YOU TRIED TO THE BEST OF YOUR ABILITY TO MAKE A GOOD CONFESSION. THAT'S ALL THAT IS REQUIRED. AND THE LORD KNOWS WHAT YOU'RE CAPABLE OF AND NOT CAPABLE OF. JUST TRY TO WRITE DOWN WHAT YOU CAN REMEMBER. IF YOU'RE NOT SO SURE, THEN DON'T WORRY. JUST TELL THE PRIEST, I THINK I DID THIS OR MAYBE I DIDN'T DO THIS, OR I CAN'T REMEMBER TOO WELL. BUT SEEMS TO ME THIS WAS THE CASE, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. JUST LET THE PRIEST KNOW AND THAT WOULD BE FINE. >> Doug: VERY GOOD. SOUNDS LIKE A VERY GOOD WOMAN THERE. DEAR FATHER SPITZER, MY SON'S GOOD PARENTS ARE NOW DIVORCED AND NEITHER HAS ANY CONTACT WITH MY SON. HE'S 19 YEARS OLD AND THEY HAD NEVER REALLY BEEN INVOLVED IN HIS SPIRITUAL LIFE. CAN HE ASK SOMEONE TO BE HIS NEW GOD PARENTS? >> Fr. Spitzer: WELL, YOUR GOD PARENTS ARE YOUR GOD PARENTS, BUT YOU CAN DEFINITELY ASK ANYBODY YOU WANT TO BE, AS IT WERE, A SURROGATE GOD PARENT, RIGHT, NOT A REPLACEMENT ONE BUT SOMEBODY WHO BASICALLY CAN REALLY HELP YOU TO ADVANCE IN YOUR PRAYER LIFE AND SPIRITUAL LIFE. AND I CERTAINLY HAD MY -- I HAD GOOD GOD PARENTS AND I ALSO HAD GOOD WHAT I CALL CALABASH COUSINS. THAT'S MY HAWAIIAN BACKGROUND, THE COUSIN GOD PARENTS THAT CAME INTO BEING, INCLUDING ONE PRIEST WHO WAS A VERY WISE PERSON FOR ME AND ALL OF THESE THINGS WERE -- YOU KNOW I ALWAYS FELT LIKE I HAD THESE LITTLE MENTORS AND GOD PARENTS THROUGHOUT MY LIFE, EVEN WHEN I WAS IN SEMINARY, YOU KNOW, THE WONDERFUL AND REMARKABLE FATHER MOTHERLAND WAS VERY GOOD TO ME. AND AS IT WERE, A GOD PARENT TO ME AND I ALSO HAD A PERSON WHEN I WAS ALREADY ORDAINED. I WENT TO GEORGETOWN, WONDERFUL FATHER THOMAS KING. SO ALL OF THESE WERE VERY INFLUENTIAL, FATHER STECHLER AND OTHERS -- CALABASH COUSIN GOD PARENTS AND YOU CAN HAVE AS MANY OF THOSE AS YOU WANT AND I WOULD SAY SEEK OUT PEOPLE WITH REAL SPIRITUAL WISDOM DO GUIDE YOU ALONG THE WAY. NO HARM CAN COME OF THAT. BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT REPLACING THOSE PEOPLE AS THE REAL GOD PARENTS BECAUSE THEY'RE ACTING GOD PARENTS AND THEY ACT ON BEHALF OF WHAT YOU NEED ON BEHALF OF THE LORD FOR WHAT YOU NEED RIGHT NOW. >> Doug: WELL, WE'RE COMING UP ON THE BREAK BUT WE HAVE AT LEAST ONE MORE QUESTION HERE TO GET TO. DEAR FATHER SPITZER: HOW MANY TIMES HAS THE HOLY EUCHARIST MANIFESTED ITSELF WITH HUMAN PROPERTIES SUCH AS THE MIRACLE AT LACIANO? HAS THERE EVER BEEN A STUDY TO DETERMINE IF THE BLOOD TYPE, DNA OR OTHER IDENTIFIABILITY PROPERTIES ARE THE SAME IN ALL CASES? CLEMENT? >> CLEMENT, YES, THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL OF THEM. NOW, THE INTERESTING PART IS IN THE 20TH CENTURY, THE LATE 20TH CENTURY FROM HAVE BEEN THREE TRULY REMARKABLE SCIENTIFICALLY STUDIED EUCHARIST MIRACLES THAT ARE NOT MERELY SOME BLOOD SMEARED ON THE HOST BUT INDEED WHERE THE HOST WAS SORT OF TRANSFORMED MORPHE, TRANSFORMED INTO WHAT WE MILD CALL A PIECE OF FLESH, BUT THE PIECE OF FLESH WAS TRANSFORMED INTO WAS FROM THE UPPER VENTRICLE WALL. AND IN ALL CASES THERE WAS A PLETHORA OF WHITE BLOOD CELLS EMBEDDED IN THE VENTRICLE WALL. WHY THIS IS IMPORTANT -- I WILL EXPLAIN THIS IN A SECOND. WHY THIS IS IMPORTANT IS BECAUSE THOSE WHITE BLOOD CELLS, THEY USUALLY DIE WITHIN A FEW SECONDS AFTER THE BODY DIES RIGHT, THE HEART STOPS, AND THE WHITE BLOOD CELLS DIE AWAY. BUT THESE WHITE BLOOD CELLS ARE THERE. AND THAT INDICATES THAT THE FLESH WAS ALIVE, IN OTHER WORDS, THE HEART WAS BEATING WHEN THAT FLESH WAS REMOVED FROM THE HEART. NOW, I WILL TELL YOU WHY THAT IS CIGNA MOMENT. BUT THE MAIN THING TO REMEMBER IS, THAT WAS A BEATING HEART WHEN THAT TISSUE WAS CREATED. THE SECOND THING IS, YOU CANNOT HAVE WHITE BLOOD INCREASES EMBEDDED THEMSELVES INTO THE UPPER VENTRICLE WALL UNLESS THIS PERSON IS UNDERGOING A POLY TRAUMA BASICALLY, SOMEBODY IS BEATING THEM SEVERELY AROUND THE CHEST AND THROUGHOUT THE REST OF THE BODY. THAT'S WHAT IS CAUSING THE WHITE BLOOD CELLS TO EMBED THEMSELVES IN THE VENTRICLE WALL. NOW, THERE'S A VERY GOOD REPORT THAT WAS DONE BY A FELLOW NAMED FREDERICK ZUGABEY, WHO WAS THE -- WELL, HE WAS THE ONE WHO EXAMINED THE TISSUE FROM THE BUENOS IRIS EUCHARIST. LET ME GIVE YOU THREE NAMES OF THE EUCHARISTIC MIRACLES WHERE YOU HAD THAT TRANSFORMED, YOU KNOW, TRANSFORMING THAT TOOK PLACE BETWEEN THE HOST AND THE ACTUALLY HEART TISSUE THAT WAS REMOVED FROM THE TISSUE WAS ALIVE. AND THE FIRST IS BUENOS AIRES IN 1996. THAT WAS OVERSEEN BY POPE FRANCIS WHEN, AT THAT TIME, HE WAS ARCHBISHOP ALGOLIO IN BUENOS AIRES AND THAT IS AN INTERESTING STORY I COULD TELL YOU ABOUT IN MORE DETAIL, MAYBE IN A WHOLE SHOW. THE SECOND EUCHARIST OF RISK MIRACLE TOOK PLACE IN TIXTLA, MEXICO, IN 2006. AND THAT, AGAIN, WAS SORT OF A MORPHOLOGICAL TRANSFORMATION SO YOU HAVE A SEAMLESS MOVE FROM THE ACTUALLY COMPOSITE FORM OF THE HOST INTO ACTUALLY FLESH. AND IN FACT IT'S SO SEAMLESS THAT WITH THE BEST KIND OF ELECTRON MICROSCOPES AND TECHNOLOGY THAT WE HAVE FROM NASA WE CANNOT SEE THE PRECISE PLACE. IT'S ALMOST LIKE SEAMLESS TRANSFORMATION WHERE THE ACTUALLY HOST IS ACTUALLY MORBID INTO THE FLESH. SO THAT'S VERY INTERESTING AS WELL. SO THAT PLACE PLACE IN TIXTLA MEXICO IN 2006. THE LAST ONE TOOK PLACE IN SUCOLPO, POE LAND AND THIS HAS BEEN SCIENTIFICALLY EXAMINED BY REALLY EXCELLENT -- NOT JUST PHYSICIANS AND PATHOLOGISTS BUT ALSO BY PEOPLE WHO ARE EXPERTS IN ELECTRON MICROSCOPE TECHNOLOGY AND OTHER KINDS OF PHYSICAL APPARATUS THAT CAN ACTUALLY DETECT, YOU KNOW, THE TRANCE NOTHINGFIED HOST. SO THIS WAS I BELIEVE IN 2009. IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN 2008 IN SUCOLCA, POLAND, AND I CAN ACTUALLY POST A LITTLE SUMMARY OF ALL OF THESE FINDINGS FOR YOU. I'VE GOT AN ARTICLE. I CAN SEND IT TO EWTN OR I COULD POST IT ON OUR WEBSITE CALLED EUCHARISTIC MIRACLES. OR IF YOU ASK FOR IT WE CAN SEND YOU -- NOT A HARD LETTER COPY BUT WE CAN SEND YOU AN EMAIL BACK TO YOUR EMAIL AND WE WILL SEND YOU THAT ARTICLE, OF COURSE, FREE OF CHARGE. >> Doug: VERY GOOD. AMAZING, AMAZING STUFF. >> Fr. Spitzer: THERE'S A LOT MORE AS I SAID. >> Doug: WE WILL TALK MORE ABOUT IT AFTER THE BREAK. WE'RE HERE AT FATHER SPITZER'S UNIVERSE WHERE WE HAVE FLOWN OVER TIME. WE WILL BE BACK IN A MOMENT. [MUSIC] [MUSIC] >> Doug: THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR STAYING WITH US AS WE KICK OFF THE NEW YEAR HERE IN FATHER SPITZER'S UNIVERSE, AND OUR SHOW TOPIC IS THE SAME TITLE AS BASICALLY THE BOOK, "CHRIST VS. SATAN IN OUR DAILY LIVES," THE COSMIC STRUGGLE BETWEEN GOOD AND EVIL. IT'S THE BOOK THAT FATHER SPITZER IS PERSONALLY PRINTING IN HIS BASEMENT. THEY'RE FLYING OUT OF THE DOOR AS WE SPEAK. THOUSANDS OF COPIES AT A TIME. HELP THIS MAN SELL MORE OF THESE BOOKS. ESPECIALLY HELP US BY GOING TO EWTN'S RELIGIOUS, WWW.EWTNRC.COM, WHERE ALL THINGS TRADITIONAL CAN BE FOUND. OF COURSE YOU GO TO THE MAGIS CENTER WEBSITE FOR ALL OF THINGS FATHER SPITZER RELATED OF COURSE AS WELL. FATHER, LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION. SOMETIMES I HAVE HEARD PEOPLE SAY OVER THE YEARS, I REMEMBER WHEN BOB AND PENNY FORD USED TO DO EUCHARISTIC MIRACLES AND MOTHER WOULD FEATURE SOME OF THAT AND PEOPLE WOULD SAY HOW COME THE CHURCH DOESN'T MAKE MORE OF AN ISSUE, A STATEMENT, OR PROJECT THIS MORE OUT AS A WAY OF DEALING WITH PEOPLE'S LACK OF BELIEF, ESPECIALLY IN THIS KIND OF ATHEISTIC WORLD WE LIVE IN TO SAY LOOK AT THESE MIRACLES THAT HAVE BEEN TESTED? >> Fr. Spitzer: I'M NOT SURE. BUT I HAVE DONE SEVERAL TALKS ON THE EUCHARIST -- NOT OVER THE LAST YEAR WITH THE COVID PROBLEM, BUT PRIOR TO THAT TIME, I WAS DOING A LOT OF TALKS, AND I WOULD INCORPORATE THESE MYRRH COMPELS EVERY TIME. BECAUSE YOU SHOULD SEE THE PICTURES, THE DATA THAT WE HAVE. I MEAN ONE OF VIEWERS JUSTED AND ABOUT THE BLOOD TYPE. YES. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM DOES HAVE AB-POSITIVE BLOOD TIME, THE SAME AS ON THE SHROUD OF TURIN BUT THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER DATA I HAVE CATALOGED IN THIS ARTICLE. BUT I DO TALK ABOUT IT BUT IT IS SURPRISING TO ME, HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE SO RETICENT TO SPEAK ABOUT THESE MIRACLES. AND I JUST THROW UP MY ARMS AGAIN AND SAY, WELL, HEY, WAIT A MINUTE, EVERYBODY. YOU DON'T HAVE TO SAY I BELIEVE IT DEFINITIVELY. AND THE CHURCH HAS NOT YET PROCLAIMED THIS TO BE A MIRACLE DEFINITELY. NONE OF THEM HAS BEEN -- OF THE THREE I TALKED ABOUT, BUENOS AIRES, TIXTLA OR SOCULPA, HOWEVER, YOU ASK GIVE THE SCIENTIFIC FACTENCE. YOU CAN GIVE THE ELECTRON MICROSCOPE EVIDENCE. YOU CAN GIVE THE PATHOLOGY REPORTS FROM DR. ZUGABEY AND OTHER PATHOLOGISTS THAT SHOW THE SAME KINDS OF RESULTS. YOU CAN SHOW THE PLETHORA OF WHITE BLOOD CELLS. YOU CAN SHOW THE KIND OF TISSUE, THAT IT'S HEART TISSUE FROM THE UPPER VENTRICLE WALL AND YOU CAN SHOW THAT THESE WHITE BLOOD CELLS HAVE PENETRATED INTO THE VENTRICLE WALL. YOU CAN ACTUAL SHOW THE SEAMLESSNESS OF THE TISSUE FROM THE COMPOSITE OF THE HOST, ALL THE WAY INTO THE HEART TISSUE, ALMOST AN ELECTRON LEVEL, IT IS SO SMALL, YOU KNOW. I MEAN, WE CAN'T -- WE CANNOT CREATE THIS, EVEN WITH THE BEST NASA TECHNOLOGY THAT WE HAVE TODAY, WE SIMPLY CANNOT CREATE SUCH A SMALL IN DIFFERENTIATED THING OF THE HOST SUBSTANCE ABUSE INTO THE SUBSTANCE OF THE HEART TISSUE. THESE KINDS OF THINGS ARE REALLY TRULY REMARKABLE AND SHOULD BE TALKED ABOUT. YOU CAN JUST TELL PEOPLE, HEY, DRAW YOUR OWN CONCLUSION. I MEAN, THE CHURCH DOESN'T HAVE TO SPEAK ABOUT IT BUT DO I THINK THESE ARE AUTHENTIC? ABSOLUTELY I THINK THEY'RE AUTHENTIC. I DON'T SEE HOW WEE COULD HAVE REPRODUCED THIS ANYWAY. AND YOU CAN SAY ALL OF THE PEOPLE THAT TALKED ABOUT IT WERE LIARS AND ALL OF THE BOLTAL PEOPLE THAT SAID THAT HOST HAS BEEN IN A TABERNACLE FOR THREE YEARS AND HAS NEVER DECOMPOSED. YEAH, COULD YOU IMAGINE PUTTING A HOST THAT TURNS INTO HEART TISSUE, FLESH, RIGHT, IN A GLASS OF WATER FOR THREE YEARS AND NO DECOMPOSITION WHATSOEVER? THIS IS HIGHLY EXTRAORDINARY. NOW YOU CAN SAY OH, NO, THEY'RE ALL LIARS AND THIS WAS SUBSTITUTED IN. SO AT EVERY MOMENT WE'RE PUTTING IN A TRANSFORMED HOST, A NEW ONE, SO WE CAN GET, YOU KNOW, THIS IMPRESSION TO BE MADE? JUST TELL ME HOW EASILY CAN WE REPRODUCE SUCH A HOST? THE ONLY WAY YOU'RE GOING TO GET THIS HEART TISSUE -- AND I KNOW I'M GOING ON AND ON HERE -- THE ONLY WAY YOU'RE GOING TO GET THAT KIND OF HEART TISSUE IS IF YOU SIMPLY, FIRST OF ALL, TAKE A VICTIM, BEAT THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS OUT OF THEM, MAKE SURE YOU BEAT THEM SEVERELY AROUND THE CHEST. THEN BEFORE HE HAS DIED, OPEN HIM UP AND KILL HIM BY LOSING A PIECE OF HIS LIVE HEART TISSUE FROM HIS HEART, WHICH TORTURES AND KILLS HIM AT THE SAME TIME. I'M SURE THE CHURCH IS GOING TO WANT TO DO THIS IN ORDER TO PROPAGATE A MYTH ABOUT EUCHARISTIC MIRACLES. WELL, MY POINT IS, CAN WE FELL ALL OF THIS TO PEOPLE? OF COURSE WE CAN TELL ALL OF THIS TO PEOPLE. AND MY THOUGHT IS JUST GET MY ARTICLE, READ MY ARTICLE -- IF YOU DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD, JUST READ THE ARTICLE TO YOUR FRIENDS. READ THE ARTICLE TO YOUR CHILDREN. JUST HAVE THEM SAY, YOU KNOW, HERE ARE THE SCIENTIFIC FACTS. YOU CAN SAY THAT ALL -- BY THE WAY, THESE ARE NOT JUST CHURCH PEOPLE WHO ARE EXAMINING THESE HOSTS. THESE ARE VERY NOTE WORTHY DOCTORS, PATHOLOGISTS, AND PHYSICISTS AND SPECTRAL OPTIC SPECIALISTS THAT HAVE LOOKED AT THESE THINGS. SO THIS IS NOT LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT'S A BUNCH OF -- A GANG OF PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO PROP GATE A MYTH. THIS IS REALLY GOOD STUFF. SO JUST, HEY, JUST READ AND IT LET PEOPLE DRAW THEIR OWN CONCLUSION. IF YOU DON'T THINK THE LORD IS PRESENT, THIS WILL GET YOU THINKING. >> Doug: EXACTLY. IT OPENS PEOPLE'S MINDS. BUT IN A WORLD WHERE PEOPLE DENY THERE'S ANYTHING SUPERNATURAL, IT'S LIKE MAGIC. THEY SAY I CAN'T FIGURE OUT THE TRICK BUT I KNOW ONE THING, IT'S A TRICK. >> Fr. Spitzer: AND THE TRICK WAS FORMED IN THE MOST TEAMING METROPOLIS OF TIXTLA MEXICO AND POLAND. NOTICE WHERE THEY'RE TAKING PLACE. BUENOS AIRES HAS A VERY -- IT'S A BIG PLACE BUT THIS IS GOING TO REQUIRE SOME HIGH-END TECHNOLOGY FROM SOME REAL SIGNIFICANT EXPERTS IN THE FIELD. SO, YOU KNOW, UNLIKELY MAYBE NEW YORK OR LOS ANGELES COULD BE A PLACE FOR IT. BUT MEXICO? POLAND? LEGISLATION LIKELY. WARSAW, OKAY. BUT THIS IS VERY INTERESTING TO ME. AND OF COURSE AGAIN, YOU LOOK AT THE FACTS AND YOU CAN JUST SAY, YEAH, IF YOU DON'T WANT TO BELIEVE IN A MIRACLE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BELIEVE IN THE MIRACLE. JESUS WON'T FORCE YOU TO DO IT. BUT THERE'S A POINT AT WHICH NATURAL CAUSATION CAUSES THE MOST CURIOUS AND SKEPTICAL MIND TO BE UTTERLY BEFUDDLED TO THE POINT THAT YOU OPEN THE IMAGINATION TO THE POSSIBILITY OF AMERICA. ONCE YOU DO WHAT ALEXIS CAROL DID AT LOARDES. HERE IS A GUY, BASICALLYING A KNOCK, VERGING ON ATHEISM AND LOOKING AT THIS MIRACLE OF MARIE BAILEY. THE WATER IS POURED ON MARIE BAILEY'S STOMACH AND OF COURSE SHEEP HAS THIS HUGELY DISTENDED ABDOMEN FILLED WITH SOLID MASSES AND FLUIDS FROM, YOU KNOW, TUBERCULOSIS THAT HAS BEEN MANIFESTLY EXTENDED OVER A LARGE PERIOD OF TIME AND THEY POURED WATER OVER HER THREE TIMES, AND INSTANTANEOUSLY ALL OF THE MASSES AND THE FLUIDS DISAPPEAR WHERE THE DISCHARGE WAS, AS ALEXIS CAROL SAYS, I DIDN'T SEE ANY DISCHARGE, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE FLUIDS WENT -- I COULD TELL YOU THOUGH, THEY WEREN'T THERE AFTER A FEW MINUTES AND THEN SHE'S PERMANENTLY CURED. SHE WAS ON THE BRINK OF DEATH FROM TUBERCULOSIS FROM THIS DISTENTION IN THE ABDOMEN AND THE MASSES IN THE FLUIDS THAT WERE LITERALLY TAKING OVER HER WHOLE IMMUNE SYSTEM, AND HE IS SUDDENLY GETS UP ON HER OWN POWER AND THEN GOES AND JOIN US A CONVENT AND WORKS FOR ANOTHER 32 YEARS? WELL, AIR LEXIS CAROL, AT LEAST HAD THE GUTS, YOU KNOW, AS ANING A KNOCK/ATHEIST KIND OF -- HE WAS THERE AT MEDICAL SCHOOL AND SAID THIS NIGHT RUINED MY CAREER BUT I'M GOING TO ADMIT TO THE POSSIBILITY OF A MIRACLE HERE. THE POSSIBILITY OF A MIRACLE, BECAUSE THERE'S A COMPLETE ABSENCE OF NATURAL EXPLANATION FROM ANY VANTAGE POINT THAT I CAN SEE. OF COURSE THE UNIVERSITY OF LYONNE MEDICAL SCHOOL THROWS HIM OUT, JUST HOISTS HIM OUT ON HIS REAR END AND, OF COURSE, JUST SAYS YOU'RE FIRED. WHERE DOES HE GO? HE GOES UP TO NEW YORK AND THE ROCKEFELLER SCHOOL SAID WE WILL TAKE YOU. AND THERE HE GETS A NOBEL PRIZE FOR INVENTING THE TECHNOLOGY FOR SURGICAL -- FOR VASCULAR SURGICAL. SO ALL I CAN SAY IS GOD HAS HIS WAYS. LYONNE MEDICAL SCHOOL IN FRANCE NOW HAS THE ONLY DISTINCTION OF HAVING KICKED OUT A NOBEL PRIZE WINNER. FOR WHAT? HE ADMITTED TO THE POSSIBILITY OF A MIRACLE. >> Doug: SOUNDS LIKE A LITTLE BIT OF A CANCEL CULTURE THERE TOO. EVEN BROADER TODAY. BUT IT'S INTERESTING. IF SOMEONE WAS GOING TO GO THROUGH TO CREATE THIS PHONY MIRACLE, YOU WOULD THINK YOU WOULD APPROPRIATE THE HECK OUT OF IT AND TRY TO DO SOMETHING WITH IT. AND WE TALKED EARLIER ABOUT THE FACT IN ANY WAYS THE CHURCH DOESN'T INTEND TO PROMOTE THESE THINGS. AND DR. ZUGABEY, I THINK HE WAS A CORONER FROM NEW YORK. >> HE WAS. >> AND HE WROTE A BOOK. AND SHE WAS ON EWTN LIVE, AND I THINK I INTERVIEWED HIM GREER'S AND YEARS AGO. HE WAS A GREAT MAN. >> Fr. Spitzer: NO QUESTION. I THINK WHEN HE SAW THE BUENOS AIRES SAMPLE FOR THE FIRST TIME, IT WAS SENT TO HIM FROM BUENOS AIRES, WITHOUT IDENTIFYING IN ANY WAY WHAT THE SOURCE OF THAT HOST WAS. HE RECEIVED A SLIDE A THAT HAD A SLICE OF THE TISSUE ON IT THAT DR. GONZALEZ HAD RETRIEVED, SENT IT TO HIM, BUT DID NOT IDENTIFY WHAT THE SOURCE OF THAT WAS. HE WAS THE ONE THAT INDEPENDENTLY SAID, WOW, HOW DID YOU GET THIS SLIDE? IT HAS ALL OF THESE UNUSUAL CHARACTERISTICS, LIKE THE PLETHORA OF WHITE BLOOD CELLS AND THE VENTRICLE TISSUE. HE SAID THIS COMES OBVIOUSLY FROM THE HEART, FROM THE UPPER VENTRICLE, BUT HOW DID IT GET THE WHITE BLOOD CELLS. YOU KNOW WHAT THIS NORMALLY MEANS, THE TISSUE WANT TO SAY PROBABLY REMOVED FROM A LIVING PERSON. SO HE IS SPEAKING WITHOUT ANY KNOWLEDGE AT ALL OF WHERE THIS CAME FROM, AND FINALLY WHEN IT WAS IDENTIFIED, I THINK IT REALLY ABLE TO HIS MIND AND REALLY HELPED HIS FAITH. SO IF I COULD HELP THE GOOD DOCTORS FAITH I THINK I CAN HELP OURS. MAYBE HE HAD A STRONG FAITH BEFOREHAND. I'M NOT SURE. BUT HE HAS ALSO DONE, SINCE THAT TIME, SOME EXCELLENT WORK ON THE SHROUD OF TURIN, AND OTHER THINGS. SO HE IS A GOOD MAN. >> Doug: VERY GOOD. AND LET'S GET TO ONE LAST QUESTION THAT WILL LEAD US INTO THE LAST FEW MINUTES. DEAR FATHER SPITZER. I'VE BEEN READING YOUR NEW BOOK, "CHRIST VS. SATAN IN OUR DAILY LIVES" AND I'M ENJOYING IT. YOU SPEAK ABOUT OUR FOUR HIGHER POWERS AND HOW THEY CAN AID US AGAINST TEMPTATION. CAN YOU EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT MORE IN DEPTH ABOUT THE HIGHERS POWERS AND TELL ME HOW THEY CAN BE PRACTICALLY APPLIED? BLESSINGS TO YOU AND DOUG, JOHN. >> Fr. Spitzer: HERE IS THE MAIN THING. WE HAVE SELF-CONSCIOUSNESS, WHICH GIVES US FREEDOM; RIGHT? I MEAN THAT IS REALLY, TRULY REMARKABLE. IT WOULD TAKE ME A LITTLE TIME TO EXPLAIN ALL OF THIS IN DETAIL. THE SECOND THING, WHAT GOES ALONG WITH THE SELF-CONSCIOUSNESS, THIS BY THE WAY, THE HOWEVERRER POWER, THE REASON IT'S A HIGHER POWER IS BECAUSE WE CAN'T REPLICATE IT IN ANY KIND OF A PHYSICAL MODEL BECAUSE YOU HAVE AWARENESS AND YOU WORK BE AWARE OF BEING AWARE OF YOUR AWARENESS AND DO THAT TRIPLE. THAT MEANS YOU HAVE TO COME BACK ON YOURSELF COMING BACK ON YOURSELF, LIKE A DOG -- NOT JUST TURNING BACK AND GETTING HIS TAIL, BUT THE DOG SWALLOWING THE DOG, SWALLOWING THE DOG ALL AT THE SAME TIME. IS SO WE DON'T HAVE A PHYSICAL MODEL TO SHOW HOW IS POSSIBLE BUT WE DO IT ALL THE TIME. AND THAT'S WHAT ENABLES US TO ZERO HAVE FREEDOM AND THAT'S ANOTHER STORY. SECOND THING THAT HE HAVE, WE HAVE CONCEPTUAL INTELLIGENCE, THE ABILITY TO FORM WHAT WE CALL UNIVERSALS AND THESE ARE TRULY ABSTRACT POLICIES. THIS IS NOT -- EVEN THE HIGHEST TRAINED CHIMPANZEE, LIKE NIMCHMSKEY WHO CAN RATHER THAN 200 WORDS IN AMERICAN SIGN LANGUAGE, THOSE ARE ONLY PERCEPTUAL IDEAS WHICH CORRESPOND TO AN IMAGE. SO IF YOU HAVE A CUP, YOU CAN SAY THAT'S A PERCEPTUAL IDEA. I CAN COMMUNICATE, FOR EXAMPLE, THROUGH HIM, AND THIS CORRESPONDS TO THE AMERICAN SIGN LANGUAGE WORD FOR CUP. AND CHIMP CAN LEARN THAT. THAT'S WHERE HE CAN IMAGE SOMETHING AND IDENTIFY A SOUND WITH THAT IMAGE, AND WE CAN DO THAT. THAT'S A PERCEPTUAL IDEA. BUT A CONCEPTUAL IDEA THAT CAN BE USED AS A PREDICATE, DIRECT OBJECT, INDIRECT OBJECT, NO WAY. CHAT CHIMP CAN'T TELL THE DISTINCT BETWEEN THE EXPRESSION, A DOG BITES MAN AND MAN INDICTS DOG. THE EXPRESSION THAT MAKES A LITTLE CHILD LAUGH, AND NIM IS CLUELESS BECAUSE HE DOESN'T HAVE A SENSE OF DIRECT OBJECTS, PREDICATES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. THAT'S CALLED CONCEPTUAL INTELLIGENCE, AND THAT'S ANOTHER THING HUMAN BEINGS HAVE AND IT'S AN IMPORTANT HIGHER POWER. OF COURSE THE DEVIL CAN'T GET YOU FREE WILL OR INTO YOUR SUBCONSCIOUS, THE DEVIL CAN'T GET TO YOUR CONCEPTUAL INTELLIGENCE. HE CAN GET TO YOUR IMAGINATION ALL RIGHT, AND WHEN HE DOES GET TO YOUR IMAGINATION THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE. THIRD THING YOU CAN CONNECT WITH GOD AND WHAT WE -- WHAT I CALL THE NUMINOUS EXPERIENCE, SO YOU CAN ACTUALLY HAVE A REAL RELIGIOUS EXPERIENCE WHICH INCLUDES THE FIVE TRANSCENDENTALS, THE DESIRE FOR PERFECT TRUTH LOVE GOODNESS BEAUTY AND HOME. YOU SAY WELL, GOSH, THAT'S A BIG MOUTHFUL. IT IS A BIG MOUTHFUL AND I DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF TIME TO TALK ABOUT IT HERE BECAUSE OF THAT COULD BE WITHIN ITSELF A WHOLE SHOW BUT THE MAIN THING TO REMEMBER IS, WE DON'T JUST DESIRE SOME TRUTH. WE WANT PERFECT TRUTH. WE DON'T JUST DESIRE SOME LEVEL, WEE WASN'T AND EVER UNCONDITIONAL LOVE AND ET CETERA. AND NOT ONLY THAT, WE WANT TO BE IN COMMUNION WITH GOD. YOU CANNOT DO THIS BY A LOWER POWER, BY A LOWER POWER OF THE SUBCONSCIOUS OR THE IMAGINATION, OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES. THAT'S GOING TO REQUIRE SOME KIND OF A CONNECTION WITH GOD, AND I WILL CALL IT A LUMINOUS CONNECTION. THEN WE HAVE THE POWER OF CONSCIOUS, SO IMPORTANT, BECAUSE CONSCIOUS IS LITERALLY -- AND I HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF REASONS SAYING THIS. I'M NOT JUST ASSERTING THIS. THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF DATA FOR THIS, THAT WAS PUT OUT BY A GUY THAT IS GOING TO BE CANONIZED SHORTLY NAMED JOHN HENRY CARDINAL NO ONE AB AND HE CAN CANONIZE DIZZY IN HIS GOOD WAY AND WILL BE BEEN DECLARED HE WILL BE BUT THE MAIN THING TO REMEMBER IS THAT HE PRESENTED THIS ARGUMENT FROM CONSCIENCE TO GOD AND HOW HE SHOWS THAT IN OUR CONSCIENCE LITERALLY THE VOICE OF GOD SPEAKING TO US, NOT JUST WITHIN AUTHORITY AND A MORAL AUTHORITY AND AN OBJECTIVE MORAL AUTHORITY BUT ALSO WITH A FATHER LIVE SENSE THAT THE COURTS BLAME OR PRAISE THAT AT ONCE A TENDER VOICE AND A VOICE THAT REQUIRES THAT WE REFORM AND MOVE TO RESPONSIBLE LIVES AND ET CETERA. SO HE TALKS ABOUT THE VOICE OF GOD BUT WHAT I'M TALING YOU. THIS POWER IS SUPER IMPORTANT NOT AVOIDANCE OF TEMPTATION. SO OUR RELIGIOUS SENSIBILITY AND OUR SENSE OF THE TRANSCENDENTAL IS GREAT, AND OUR CONSCIENCE WHICH BECAUSE I WAS US THAT MORAL CONTENT, OUR OBJECTIVE -- IT CONNECTS WITH OUR RELIGION AND OF COURSE OUR FREE WILL AND OUR CONCEPTUAL INTELLIGENCE, YOU CAN MUSTER THOSE FORCES, YOU CAN USE THOSE POWERS, RIGHT, TO -- AND YOU CAN USE THE VIRTUES THAT ACCOMPANY THOSE POWERS, YOU CAN USE THEM TO GET FIRST OF ALL TOWARD JUSTICE, TEMPERANCE, TOWARDS PRE-DENSE AND ACTIVATE IT BY ASKING QUESTIONS. YOU CAN GET AROUND -- ALL OF THE DEVIL CAN DO TO YOU IS KEEP PRESENTING IMAGES TO YOUR MIND TO TRY AND TEMPT YOU OR HE CAN TRY AND DECEIVE YOU IN YOUR INTELLIGENCE, BUT IF YOU USE YOUR MIND TO DISCERN THE SPIRITS AND GO, IS THIS THE VOICE OF GOD? IS THIS THE RESIDUAL VOICE OF GOD OR THE VOICE OF A SHEPHERD OR IS THIS THE VOICE OF SOME KIND OF TASK MASTER WHO HATES MY GUTS BUT IS TRYING TO PUT ON A NICE LITTLE VOICE TO GET ME TO THINK AT HE LIKES ME WHEN POINT OF FACT HE WOULD LIKE TO CHEW ME UP AND SIT ME OUT. SO THE POINT OF COURSE -- YOU HAVE TO USE YOUR MIND. YOU HAVE TO USE YOUR CONSCIOUS WHICH IS TELLING YOU, QUAKING WITHIN YOU, TELLING YOU, DON'T GO IN THIS DIRECTION. USE THE POWER OF YOUR RELIGIOUS CONNECTION WITH GOD, THE HOLY SPIRIT THAT'S IN YOUR, TO KNOW HE'S GUIDING YOU, HE GIVES YOU THIS SENSE OF HIS GUIDANCE, OR THIS LITTLE VOICE IN THE BACK OF YOUR MIND, IT'S GOD SPEAKING, YOU KNOW, GO INTO THAT CHURCH, AVOID THAT OTHER PLACE, ET CETERA. THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO USE IN ORDER TO KEEP OURSELVES OUT OF THE WAY OF SATAN BUT YOUR QUESTION IS REALLY GOOD, BUT IT IS OUR HIGHER POWERS THAT REALLY ARE OUR SALVATION. EVEN THOUGH THE DEVIL CAN GET TO OUR SUBCONSCIOUS MIND, THE DEVIL CAN DEFINITELY GET TO OUR IMAGINATIONS, YOU KNOW, HE CANNOT FETCH US OVER IN TERMS OF OUR FREEDOM. SO WHEN I TALK ABOUT POSSESSION AND ET CETERA, IN CHAPTER THREE, AND THE POSSESSIONS OF ROBBIE MANNHEIM AND ET CETERA, THE DEVIL CAN'T TAKE OVER THEIR FREE WILL. HE CAN SORT OF BLOCK IT FOR 5 WHILE, AND JUST KIND OF SHOW UP WITH HIS OWN VOICE AND HIS OWN HORRIBLE STATEMENTS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, BUT FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES HE IS POWERLESS WHEN YOU BEGIN TO PRAY. HE IS POWERLESS WHEN YOU ARE LISTENING TO YOUR CONSCIOUS. HE IS POWERLESS WHEN YOU ARE SPEAKING AGAINST HIM. SO JUST KEEP REMEMBERING IN THE NAME OF JESUS, BE GONE SATAN. >> VERY GOOD. AND LET'S TALK ABOUT THE TOPIC, SINCE WE KIND OF ROLLED INTO THAT, IN VOLUME ONE, YOU TALK ABOUT THE RECOGNITION OF SPIRITUAL EVIL AND IT'S TACTICS. AND THEN YOU SAY THE READER MAY BE WONDERING WHY THE PROCESS OF MORAL CONVERSION INCLUDES EXPLANATION OF THE REALITY OF SPIRITUAL EVIL. SHOULDN'T THIS BE OBVIOUS? YOU SAY UNFORTUNATELY IT'S NOT OBVIOUS, ESPECIALLY TO THE YOUNG AND MOST VULNERABLE IN OUR CULTURE. HOW SO? >> YEAH, WELL HERE IS THE DEFINITE PROBLEM. A LOT OF YOUNG PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TAUGHT THAT THE DEVIL IS JUST HAD A CARTOON CHARACTER WITH A NICE TAIL AND HORNS AND A TRIDENT IN A NICE LITTLE RED TIGHTS OR SOMETHING. AND, OF COURSE, THEY KIND OF BELIEVE IT'S A THE CARTOON FIGURE, NOT THE REALITY OF A SPIRITUAL EVIL THAT HATES THEM. NOW, YES, THEY HAVE AN EXPERIENCE OF THE BOOGIE MAN. NO QUESTION ABOUT IT. THERE'S AN INTERIOR SENSE OF HE FEEL, AND THE BOOGIE MAN FOR THEM IS QUITE REAL AND THERE IS A SENSE, YOU KNOW, THAT THE EVIL OF THE BOOGIE MAN THAT SHELF ALSO QUITE REAL. AND SO IN A WAY YOU DON'T WANT TO SAY THAT THE BOOGIE MAN IS REAL TOO YOUR KID BUT WHAT YOU WANT TO DO LATER IS SAY THAT FEELING OF EVIL THAT YOU HAVE HAD, IT FOR SURE IS EMBODIED IN A BEING ACTION, AND HERE IS -- TAKE A LOOK AT THESE POSSESSION CASES, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE VERY REAL POSSESSIONS BASED ON DIARY ENTRIES BY VERY SOBER ACADEMICS LIKE THE JESUITS AT ST. LOUIS UNIVERSITY WHO DID THE EXORCISM OF ROBBIE MANNHEIM. ALL OF THESE THINGS JUST KIND OF REASSURE THEM THAT THE DEVIL DOESN'T HAVE POWER OVER THEM, THEY DON'T HAVE TO TO FEAR THE DEVIL 24/7 BUT THEY ARE TO KNOW HE IS THERE, TEMPTING THEM, HE IS TRYING TO DECEIVE THEM. THAT'S THE FIRST THING. THE SECOND THING IS BECAUSE A LOT OF KIDS ARE VERY IGNORANT OF THE PRESENCE OF THE EVIL SPIRIT, THEY MAKE THE MISTAKE OF ROBBIE MANNHEIM. ROBBIE MANNHEIM GOT INTO THE OUIJA BOARD AND HE HAD A SPIRITUALIST AUNT AND HIS AUNT WAS HIS GOOD FRIEND. HE WAS AN INTROVERTED KID AND DIDN'T MAKE A LOT OF FRIENDS AT SCHOOL SO HE WAS A REAL FRIEND OF HIS AUNT WHO TEACHES HIM TO USE THE OUIJA BOARD. SAYS IT'S PERFECTLY HARMLESS. SHE DIES. HE FEEL LONELY. HE DECIDES I'M GOING TO TRY TO COMMUNICATE WITH MY SPIRITUALIST AUNT, AND SURE ENOUGH THE PLANCHETTE IS MOVING ALL OVER THE BOARD ON IT'S OWN AND HE IS THINKING, GOT MY AUNT HERE. IT WASN'T HIS AUNT. IT TURNS OUT TO BE A DIABOLICAL SPIRIT INDEED. AND OF COURSE IT POSSESSES HIM. AND OF COURSE IF YOU READ CHAPTER THREE AND ALL OF THE LURED DETAILS OF THIS POSSESSION, WHICH WAS PRETTY EXTREME -- I MEAN IT WAS A HORRIBLE POSSESSION, ALL THE WHILE THAT DEVIL COULD NOT GET HOLD OF HIM IN HIS FREEDOM, RIGHT, IN HIS SELF-CONSCIOUSNESS. SO WHEN ROBBIE WAS NOT MANIFESTED, WHAT WOULD THE JESUIT SHRINE DO? TRYING TO GET HIM TO CONVERT AND ACKNOWLEDGE JESUS CHRIST, TRYING TO GET HIM TO DO HIS FIRST CONFESSION, TRYING TO GET HIM TO DO HIS FIRST HOPEFULLY COMMUNION AND THAT'S WHAT GOT HIM OVER THE LINE, ON THE 39TH PRAYER OF EXORCISM, ON EASTER MONDAY, BOOM, ST. MICHAEL COMES RIGHT OUT OF HIM AND IS POINTING A SWORD RIGHT AT HIS ABDOMEN AND JUST TELLING THE DEVIL JUST GET OUT. AND WHEN THE DEVIL COMES OUT OF HIM, THE DEVIL SHOT RIGHT OUT OF HIM -- I MEAN ALL OF THE LIGHTS IN THE PLACE GO OUT, BUT NOT JUST THERE IN THE HOUSE BUT ALL THE WAY ACROSS TOWN, ST. LOUIS HERE, ALL ACROSS ST. LOUIS IN THE COLLEGE CHURCH WHERE THE EXORCISM BEGAN SELF MONTHS -- A MONTH BEFORE -- SEVERAL WEEKS BEFORE, THAT'S WHERE IT BEGAN ALL OF THE LIGHTS WENT OUT AND THIS THUNDEROUS CLAP HAPPENED IN THE CHURCH AND EVERYBODY SAID WHAT HAPPENED, AT THE EXACT TIME THE DEVIL LEAVES ROBBIE. ROBBIE WAKES UP AND DOESN'T REMEMBER A THING. TO THIS DAY ROBBIE DON'T KNOW WHAT HAS HAPPENED. OF COURSE HE READ THE DIARY OF WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM BY NOW BUT HE CERTAINLY DID NOT REMEMBER ANYTHING THAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED TO HIM BUT WHAT -- MY POINT IS, IS HE THOUGHT HE WAS COMMUNICATING WITH HIS AUNT. HE DIDN'T HAVE A SENSE HE WAS DEALING WITH POWER OF DARKNESS WHEN HE PULLED OUT THE OUIJA BOARD AND OUR KIDS RECKLESSLY PULLED OUT OUIJA BOARDS. YOU CAN BUY THESE AT GAME STORES. WHATEVER YOU DO, DO NOT DO THIS. IT'S THE WORST THING YOU CAN DO IN THE WORLD. TAROT CARDS ARE A TERRIBLE IDEA. THE PEOPLE WHO USE TAROT CARDS ARE OFTENTIMES IN COMMUNION WITH DIABOLICAL SPIRITS. THEY INSIST THEY'RE NOT BUT THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING SO THAT THE FIRST THING -- AND PLAYING CHARLIE CHARLIE -- WHAT? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? STOP THIS ALTOGETHER. SO THAT THE POINT -- THAT'S THE SECOND THING. IT'S JUST SO DANGEROUS. AND YOU KNOW THESE POOR KIDS DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GETTING INTO. THE THIRD THING OF COURSE IS, THEY THINK THAT SHIRT YOU IS JUST THE CHURCH HAMMERING DOWN ON THEM. THEY THINK OH, THE CHURCH IS JUST GIVING ME MORE RULES THAT I HAVE TO REMEMBER AND DO. BELIEVE ME THE CHURCH IS NOT JUST GIVING YOU RULES. THE CHURCH IS GIVING YOU VIRTUOUS AND RULES THAT COME FROM JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF OR AN INTERPRETATION OF WHAT IS IT JESUS CHRIST HAS SAID TO PROTECT YOU SO THAT VERY REAL SPIRIT. SO TO STOP EVERYTHING, DON'T CALL IT -- ALL KA IT YOUR BEST SHIELD. >> WE HAVE TO STOP EVERYTHING BECAUSE WE'RE JUST AUTOMOTIVE TIME FATHER AND YOU HAVE TO GIVE US YOUR BLESSING. >> BOW YOUR HEADS AND PRAY FOR GOD'S BLESSING. AND MAY THE LORD OF ALL CONCILIATION AND GOODNESS AND LOVE SEND HIS SPIRIT DOWN UPON YOU WITH A WISDOM AND A DISCERNMENT TO KNOW HIS OWN MOVINGS IN YOUR LIFE VERSUS THOSE OF THE DARK SPIRIT SO THAT YOU MIGHT TRULY NOT ONLY BE DISCERNING BUT MOVE EVER MORE CLOSELY TO HIM IN VIRTUE AND IN TRUTH. AND LEAD OTHERS TO DO SO. IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER, AND OF THE SON, AND OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, AMEN. >> AMEN. AND HE'S JUST GETTING STARTED. SEE YOU NEXT WEEK, FATHER SPITZER. AND, OF COURSE, WE WILL SEE YOU NEXT WEEK AS WE ONCE AGAIN ENTER FATHER SPITZER'S UNIVERSE AND CONTINUE ON OUR TOPIC. WE SHALL SEE YOU THEN. THANKS. [MUSIC]
