Champions Talk with Garry Kasparov by Judit Polgar 10.10.2020

[Music] hi i'd like to welcome gary kasparov and we are very pleased that you are taking part on this discussion as part of the global chess festival so we're going to have about half an hour discussion to talk about your life and journey of success uh i remember the first time we met it was 1988 in thessaloniki at the olympiad and of course it was very memorable for me for many different reasons first of all because we won the gold medal but of course partly the great memories is connected to you as one of the special moment for me was when i heard that you were standing behind my back watching one of my games which i won and the other one of course when actually we had a walk after around 10 i think with the family and you and we were having a discussion so that was kind of very unique and special and it was interesting there is a little report was recorded by hungarian reporter after we won the olympiad and i don't know if you've seen this report where the person the reporter asked you whether what do you think about my play and what kind of potentials do i have and instantly you said that of course she's going to be world champion and when the reporter asked you whether do you see yourself playing against judith one day you said well i don't think so there is nothing about against judith but in principle you don't think that women are able to go on the highest level but then you corrected yourself of course almost impossible and then years later we finally got the first game against each other and then many more so the first question would be very straight that how do you see women in chess and their potentials generally in in the chess world thank you very much judith for reminding me of these great moments in thessaloniki that was one of my best wrestling bits also um i mean my memory is not you know as bad as as you know you could expect from my age but you know there's no chance i can recollect which game i was watching uh because you won all the games unless i'm wrong i didn't won all the games yes i made one draw actually okay that's this i wasn't sure but it was an exceptional result and um um uh and uh i have to admit that you know it was very impressive it's you know it's not just you know playing well i mean this is we saw uh many great female players but you know you i didn't have to be sort of a great expert in the game of chess to recognize that you were different because the energy and the concentration that's that definitely separated you from uh from the rest of uh of of the of the field now i i was quite skeptical about uh um uh females players ever becoming world champion by the way i was right so that since this no female player is number one uh on on the reading list uh at one point i even said i would uh i would rather concede to a computer than to a female player unfortunately i was right uh i i guess i would rather i would rather you know do it do it the opposite way but that's you know that's that's this prediction went well but uh speaking about about the general level of of uh women chess um no doubt you know it's it made a tremendous progress because uh going back to the 60s i think in the 60s when bobby fischer was boasting that he could give an extra piece to any female player i still beat them i don't think that you know even magnus today would be comfortable giving a pawn to a really strong female player probably probably a point yes but still it's the maybe due to his you know overconfidence but clearly you know we we saw the gap that that closed quite dramatically but there's still a gap i mean statistically when you look at uh top 100 players i'm not sure who you find technically makes it but i think she's the only one who could who could be on the top top hundred uh by rating today am i correct yeah i think so but uh what do you think what is the reason for that that women are not accepting anyway that puts you in the i'm you know different you know it's a different category because you are an exception uh uh absolute exception and um and i remember you know when you know um when i um played a you and was you know convincedly bitten in moscow at um uh at this um um russia versus the world rapid rapid match and the people ask me how did that feel of losing to a female player i said i didn't lose to female player i lost to number 15 in the world or whatever your number was at that time one of the best players so i mean i always you know uh since our first first game which was obviously you know a bit tight because you know it's the uh you were really young and this is and it was extra pressure uh i remember you know there's a similar feelings when i played my buddha in 1980 in baku uh but obviously you know the the difference in strengths was quite formidable between what i could expect from my 1980 and from you in 1994. um and uh um i uh uh ever since you know i view as just you know one of one of my colleagues um and i just didn't make any you know any any difference uh because it was not about gender it was about strengths and your strength was you know such that you could beat any player as you proved at the highest level and uh um i don't i'm not here just to analyze you know the uh the reasons what we know that is the no one came in close to to to um uh repeat uh your accomplishments uh and uh looking at the current field i would uh i would be very surprised in in the next few years we'll see another judith polgar uh rising to the top of the of the world chess um whether it's a part you know of of some kind of you know uh psychological restrictions because it's more difficult to concentrate i don't know i'm i the last thing i want is just to be to be harshly criticized at the ear of political correctness of saying something that people don't like i rather stick on the ground of facts and facts are that you know right now we don't see we don't see any anybody any uh uh uh female player uh coming close to uh your strengths well my theory is that one of the problem with girls is that parents and coaches are not having the same expectations at the very early ages from boys do you share this view or you have something else it's a yeah look uh naturally you know we when we look at the any any phenomenon like you know that's the one we're discussing now it's it's uh you should always look at the uh societal challenges uh because we're talking about you know uh hundreds if not thousands of years of very different uh um uh arrangements for for women and uh you can hardly expect to compensate for hundreds of years of of all forms of suppression you know by 50 years of emancipation so definitely takes time and the attitude towards uh girls and and uh and female players is is also quite different at especially at early age where um girls as you said you know not the same kind of expectations but still at the same time it's not just coaches but it's also you look at the parents in this and and when you when you um uh have a when you glance at the um under eight and the ten and the twelve you know uh events uh you see um probably forty sixty proportions not exactly equal but you have many girls and with age you know you can see the number is is is sharply declining so this is less unless girls are staying stay staying in the field um and that's it's it could clearly see be seen in the united states when they have the joint competitions and so you can see that this is the with with h you know the less and less less and less female players are just uh around and again it's it's it takes time because it get the it was every you know we see that the average level is growing but still you know um it's with with all the you know with all the improvements um i'm not uh i'm not expecting uh anyone like you uh to appear anytime soon okay that we'll see going back to your uh being a world champion uh how was it for you what was the secret what was the essence you think that you could reach so high and after that of course you were there on the top for uh for so many years oh reaching the top is one story so staying on the top is another story and uh you know of course um now for me what was very helpful uh that's from early days you know i learned from my mother that winning is is very important is paramount but it's also about making the difference and if you want to make the difference it means you have to come up with new ideas all the time even if you're winning you still have to compete against your own excellence it's and and since i you know also learned from my great teacher for my world chess champion michael davinik uh that is analyzing your own games and being you know brutally honest with with the way you play helps you to find mistakes inaccuracies that your opponents would have found anyway so that's why you can always come up with new ideas and and this was like you know never ending quest for me to invent new ideas in the openings to improve my game and since i was always you know looking at myself as the sort of the ultimate ultimate test of the quality of my chess it's if i lost the game it's not because my opponent played well though sometimes it happened but first of all i looked at my own mistakes and uh the this this um willingness uh this desire uh to always you know improve my own game help me to stay on top because it was not just about winning at one tournament tournament five tournaments won the world championship that's another world championship match it was always coming back and with the same passion uh uh with the same even an anxiety to uh to be victorious um well the personality you have the strong character it was very much seeable and experienced by your opponents and well i can even say that you had this special look kind of a killer look when you showed up in the game and i also say to some people when they asked me to describe how was it your personality and your presence at the board many times i say that for quite a few occasions unfortunately i felt that even before making a single move i've lost the game and uh how did you feel and how much were you aware of your scary appearance towards your opponent and how was it for you from your side um no i i was aware because many of my opponents spoke about it i think the first one we spoke about it was arthur yusuf in the 80s he talked about energy and how the energy you cannot see but still how this energy can influence both your opponent but also somehow miracle miraculously the pieces on the board so as the it's the like you know you energize your pieces so i um i didn't make any special preparations just to look scary or just you know to intimidate my opponents i just you know i played myself so i you know i knew one role in in the theater it was gary kasparov and uh and i wanted to improve it uh you know with every with every game i play um i think the fact is that i was so hungry too for a fight and i um i never wanted to compromise i made a few probably quick draws but i just you know but probably 99 of my games it was just you know fight from first to the last move so i think it's it's uh put my opponents under some kind of pressure because it's they could feel this is is this passion this energy and uh the willingness to to fight to the last pawn to last available resource and uh many of them actually most of them couldn't survive under this this pressure well yeah i remember of course uh very vividly that when you showed up everybody noticed it with your speed you were just going very fast focused going into the game most of the time in those times it was still allowed to be late few minutes and you did so for avoiding the more or less 30 30 cameras flashing on your face for five minutes which was completely understandable sometimes i wonder what would you be doing right now in these days but of course if it's your preparation it was this was one thing that your presence was extremely strong and people felt this unpleasant way to sit opposite to you because you were so strong of course and your preparation was uh incredible high i was always wondering that how did you develop for yourself and when did it started that you were so ambitious in openings and that you were always looking researching the best you can do in different openings different ideas does it come from botvinnik or what age were you when you started to take openings so seriously no it started earlier though but linux influence cannot be underestimated but uh somehow it's i could you know trace traced this passion back to baku pioneer palace my first coach oleg privorovsky uh he encouraged his students to look at the openings and uh it was a sort of a matter of pride to find a new idea and just to share it with the colleagues uh without you know other uh uh our chessmates um and uh we were we were well known in our team in baku uh to spend time of course at our level uh fairly primitive to analyze some positions and uh we always you know take pride of having something new and uh even if our uh um teammates we won the game based on our joint analysis it still made us made us really happy um and then of course it's my work with alexander shakarov who um was a great uh expert in open theory and uh so i again i i learned from him and it's added to my passion then alexander nicholson so another opening expert so somehow most of people i work with they they they they like openings they like starting openings and finding new ideas and of course but very sealed this this package by encouraging me to analyze the robotwinning was not specific about the openings but analyzing the game your own games was absolutely paramount so and of course you know you want to start with the openings since openings open um offered you the best opportunity to to exercise your uh your creativity though still i uh i think that is this the it's a partially what you said about opening preparation and uh and the um the impact of my opening preparation to overall result i think it's uh it's a it's it's uh um the importance of that uh is over overestimated if you look at the games for instance my match is playing with karpov you will not uh to your surprise you will not find many games that that were decided in the openings from my side actually probably karpov had even you know more games for you know my poor openings or his you know novelty prepared by his team uh actually had dramatic effect so um while my opening preparation was very solid and i kept expanding uh the scope of my my research um it was not just the opening and specific ideas though i can probably mention a few games for my opening preparation uh uh uh playing to be almost to the end like beating vishyanan in 1999 linares and sicilian so we they're definitely the list of games that's or game game 10 in world championship match uh you know uh uh in open rural office in new york in 1995 but you know still it's it's not just the actual you know result from this line that we analyzed but i think the amount of work that i did with my with my assistants somehow again miraculously uh manifested during the game i don't know how come because many of the ideas that we prepared they were not you know they cannot be tested by time today if i look at some of the old analysis and and push the button of my computer machine will be laughing well so this is because yes but i think i think your opening preparation of course went into the middle game preparation and of course you understood all the ins and outs of the opening for example night of knight g4 which you brought back to everyday life for all of us i mean there it was very clear that you knew like 95 what the position is about yeah but you're right this is that that's exactly the point so i actually that's from but minutes you know influence i you know it was not just about finding the move you know not goes here or just you know bishop goes there it's about understanding so what's happening next so that's why if my preparation couldn't materialize i could have couldn't win the game instantly so then i still you know i still had an advantage because i spent time you know feeling the nuances of the position so that's why very often in the middle gate especially my favorite openings and i you know my opening converter i was probably by modern standards are very narrow so yes i played very few openings yeah but i i knew that i had to do i have to do a lot of work and just to analyze them well because otherwise i will be in a great disadvantage since again my opening preparation was limited to very very few opens do you think that magnus carlsen has also similar approach and that's why he's so good and so successful that also he knows more about middle game and end game and the complexity of those openings what he's playing uh look magnus has a phenomenal natural talent so which definitely helps and it's it's different from mine so i always said that you know he's it's magnus is a lethal combination of carpool and fischer because he has special passion and fighting spirit and carbo's ability to find ideal location for his pieces um like using minimal resources and to achieve maximum result but i believe that the the one year that we spend working together in 2009 early 2010 uh also made great contribution to his uh to his rights because he learned uh from a very different perspective so he's he actually became more universal player and also that's what i believe was it was my contribution to uh to heathrowise he he got a better taste of the openings that's exactly what you said so he actually learned you know how to prepare in the openings and uh i have to say that you know these lessons they they uh uh worked for him perfectly and now you can see that as you said is not just he knows moves but you know he just looks for new ideas and it's the what makes him not just strong but almost unbeatable is his ongoing quest to find new ideas so that's magnus keeps coming up with some new ideas which is i have to say it's probably more difficult today because of everybody has access to computers so that's why magnus has to look not for just a straight line but more like a strategic concept and some of these new strategic concepts are just you know are now well uh well spread uh among just players well actually for me it was very interesting that time to time you well there are not too many great fantastic challenges carson of course it's not every day that you meet on the corner but there was this special uh moment when you asked kramnik to help you out support or have some training sessions i think during your uh world championship match when you played against an end and later on when he took the crown from you later i was completely convinced that this was also something essential for his victory that he knew you he got a little uh he could peek into your everyday life the way you were thinking the way you your worries were your preparation because he was only just 16 right and i believe that many times that for those or he was already older no he was he was he was 95 years 20. he was 20. but i strongly believe that for the talents it is essential and it really makes a huge difference when they meet up a world champion and they really get an opportunity from uh close up to see the way they are thinking today their human behavior to to see their uh judgments to see the directions which where they are digging for ideas and and simply be next to such a successful uh bright person i think it is very much underestimated what do you think would it be different if let's say you wouldn't be close to kramnik when he was younger uh look um it's it's we are we are in a very shaped ground of hypotheticals yeah um uh of course you know life could be different uh in 1992 actually i uh i think i helped kramnik economics methodical rise by insisting that he uh uh would be included in the russian national squad because it was you know first year when just everything you know just uh uh um was so messy the soviet union collapsed and there were many new new new teams and uh and uh we had to compose russian team and of course kramnik cronic's uh appearance in the team uh was uh was not guaranteed at all he was rising star but many of the top players opposed uh um uh and that's if you remember that was you know uh he's phenomenal performance that made him part of the world elite in 1995 i invited him to work with me i did not at my match with shannon i'm not uh i think that the thing was right the actually mistake i made were i decided not to ask top players to join me because you always need somebody strong on your team to be real in your opponent and i i i was probably overconfident and just you know thought that with my team um uh of my you know just good good uh assistance and with uh more powerful computers i could do it even without without another comment another strong player who could be um sort of a true sparring uh partner um and uh that was a mistake but no doubt that 1995 match uh uh uh played into grounded hats because he could see you know how he worked from inside and uh and the uh a great deal of his success in the year 2000 was um was um uh we are almost guaranteed by by his ability to analyze his knowledge because he was you know also you know um his style is different from mine but he could he could be sort of um and he has an appetite to analyze to to uh look for the concepts and it's not surprising that he match in our match in 2000 he came up with uh uh with uh berlin's defense uh berlin wall that uh that has been abandoned for nearly 100 years and now it is maybe the most popular opening uh um uh in in most of the tournaments uh talked to top tournaments so he he he could actually you know feel the the trends and come up with with ideas that that change change our perception of the game of chess well of course his preparation was also very famous because he analyzed very deeply he had even very solid positions he was playing but he knew all the ins and outs and but then computers came into into the chess life how do you see i know you talk a lot in your books also but how do you see what were the milestones of chess in the last 20 years how did it shaped it what we have now what were when the engines came and then later different engines ai what effect did it have i know we would need 10 hours to discuss this or weeks but can you make a highlight which were the points for you when you you uh you realize that there are we are we are in a different stage of preparation of uh of everything so thank you for saying last 20 years because you know you just put my matches with the blue so uh outside of this time period because it took place in 96 97 but i would still go back to the 90s because that was the beginning of this competition where we could see the chess engines challenging us forcing blitz then unwrap the chest and eventually in classical chess and uh i think that's that was our first mistake because we were all convinced uh and we were wrong of course that uh increasing the amount of time for the game could actually help us to beat machines not recognizing that it's just you know it's it's more time for us means more times with machines and it's not it's not going to change need to change the outcome i was quite suspicious about our future chances of playing machines after my second match was deep blue but uh i still had my hopes and um uh what's happened in the first five years of of this century i think that put an end to the idea of human competing with machines you could we could see that is the the rise of machines uh chess engines um was you know unstoppable and uh uh i played two more matches i tied both matches uh with the difference and deep junior uh in 2003 and chronic i think played he played at least two matches uh also and he just uh he drew the first one and then you lost uh lost the the second one and then mickey adams was crushed by hydra i think five and a half to half but at that time we already could see the the uh the power of the chess engines simply because machines you know didn't make blunders and uh made few mistakes it's not that machines could outplay us but they just you know they were very consistent and you know it's uh playing against an opponent that has uh uh an eternal steady hand it's virtually virtually impossible and um i think that by 2005 the uh the whole idea of humans playing against machines was abandoned we just recognized you know it's it's you know um well that is clear that we don't have a chance against the computer but what do you think how did it change the game itself in preparation like most of the people are top players i think they are running the computer 24 7 trying to get new ideas oh absolutely no it's the you know i remember that you know we experiment with computers even as early as 1993 when i played nigel short but it was so primitive and it just you know it didn't make any sense the first successful use of machine i remember was before game 10 against bishop in new york where i just you know wanted to check if the rook sacrifice works you know uh basically we were guiding the machine but you know it's like uh you know measuring the temperature was a good device so i just i was sure that now it works um uh but still you know this is the it's in the late 90s the machines were not you know as good but i know um i already relied on them heavily and my preparation for 1999 tournaments uh that was based very much on the machines uh and uh i think i overestimated the importance of machines analysis in in 2000 facing romney who actually you know came up with the concept of the opening preparation while i tried to to be more in a more specific and it didn't work out uh so my last five years as a professional chess player i knew that you know we had to work you know just just from a to z with computers you couldn't uh analyze the line without having a computer at your elbow uh i remember that you know when i worked with my uh my team with yuri on and alexander shakarov so at the at our sessions um i always you know sat in front of them without a computer so you really had one computer jakarta another computer but i just tried to play so that's to make sure that you know i i will not be uh paralyzed by the by the screen which is by the way one of the problems of of uh modern chess plans and that's another advantage for magnus magnus always could either resist the spell of the computer screen so you looked at the machine as you know a way to get confirmation or refutation with idea but not searching for ideas from the screen so and um i think that's that's definitely makes him quite unique looking at the at the younger generation of the players yeah i think it's important to to still know who is the boss and who has what role when you work with the computer and in your preparation and of course yeah that machine is so much stronger and this that's that's that's the temptation is high to check it continuously right i know when we work with kids you know at caspar chess academy so what is in america or in europe so we hear it time and again you know they just when they analyze the games and show other games you know the any question about you know what's happened you know turns up with them saying oh this is you know that's the best move because machine said so and very often they they are not even you know they're not able to explain you know we're just in in human language so why yes i i say look look kid i just i look i can see my screen as well but can you tell me you know this is this is what is the what is rationale and sometimes they don't even understand the question because machines said so so that's that's like an ultimate it's the ultimate judge of what's right what's wrong yeah well actually can we say that the computers made uh for you the the step making to retirement was it also one of the reason you retired or how did you get to this idea that you you don't want to be competing anymore do you have other ambitions or this was part of it no no it's it's it's i i was lucky because i i've been contemplating my retirement you know while being on the top for a while so uh it's um it's the true story that's that's i i i tell people that's that's that went back all uh back to 1997 uh when i um played november tournament um after losing to the blue and uh i'm not sure what it was at the opening or at the at the closing ceremony of the tournament but the journalist asked me so so what's next you play the machine so you're a world champion for 12 years so so what's what you what do you have in mind so what what's a game plan so and uh so what's do you have any dreams left and i said yes i have a dream and at that time you know my my son he was just uh um nine months old and i said you know i would like him to see is his daddy winning a tournament and just you know uh uh having a gold medal just in front of him so being in a winner at stake and in 2004 he was eight and i played uh my last russian uh national championship and i won the tournament he was there you know i remember just you know uh this little you know kid always just you know he had he had a jacket and a tie now look at him you know he's a power lifter now it's 100 kilos you know one 190 so i mean and he was there and i i got my gold medal and i took it off my neck and i put it on over his neck and then i just realized that's it basically that's the last thing i wanted and uh and i already made the decision at the time that inaros would be uh the final tournament because also i sense that i couldn't make the same difference i did before so it's maybe because machines were just you know getting uh so more powerful maybe because i just lost the same passion for this ongoing you know battle of innovations i don't know but it's in my mind it was something clicked and i knew that you know i would go to the naras i didn't tell anyone except my mother so that's why even for eurodollar was a big surprise so wow yeah when i said it's just you know yuri basically i told him you know after i beat nikki uh uh mickey adams was two rounds to go and basically guaranteed my victory in tournaments it's the it's the uh yeah i have just you know i have an idea so actually um it was i think it was timely yeah because it's just you know it's it's your life should be about you know making difference and just making contribution and i i'm very very happy now that you know 50 years after my retirements i'm i'm still not redundant i have many other things to to to do in my life and many friends whether it's doing lectures on decision making human machine collaboration and geopolitics uh or being you know global human rights activists uh i'm i'm so relevant i'm still relevant and uh and uh thanks to to my wife so we can actually married in 2005. that was just another big transition in my life so we have two kids and a very happy very rich family life and and that's what helped us for instance to go through this crisis uh uh during this pandemics so which is just you know it's it's it's always always a test when you just you know you you're only locked down whether it's in new york now we're in croatia but uh because you know we have this very strong ties and we have sense of purpose and i managed somehow to to balance my um chess fame and and connection to the wall of chess that i never and i never broke these connections with the rest of my life and even occasionally as you know i just i play for fun so um yeah actually i wanted to ask you that ever since you retired do you think about chess every day or it crosses your mind or on the screen or you have days when chess is not at all in front of you and in your mind most of the days i still think about chess i just watch you know chess games look it's a it's a relaxation there's people watch something on the screen so why not to watch chess and uh and i you know i enjoy it i enjoy it you know it's and also i think it helps my mind you to to remain operative it's uh somehow you know it's just it helps with agility so just yeah i can think i can actually calculate and i calculate i i can do well so this is just a straight line does it give you pleasure to play because you time to time happen to to show up on on blitz or rapid events and not long time ago you you played it yeah all this this is the only place yes yeah uh it's does it give you pleasure no no it's this stuff playing chess is always a pleasure uh just you know i um i just realized that i have certain limitations based on my age and uh i could play some good games but somehow you know this is that's it's i i discovered that you know i did much better in the in the preparation in in the games played you know uh uh like unofficial games training games than i did in the tournament so that is the last tournament i played so uh we had a good we when training match was peter swindler we played 16 games and i beat him convincingly in the tournament it's not just you know the result was was not as good as i wanted but also somehow you know i i was not able to to to perform you know at the same at the same level and you know i will spoke to peter so we'll publish six games out of this match and you can see that you know um i haven't lost my ability to to find some some interesting combinations and and positional ideas but probably it's a pressure when you are watched by others it's you cannot you cannot win it back because i you know it's somehow is it psychologically it says this and going back to what we discussed at the beginning of this conversation that i was so passionate that people could feel like that this is this energy the tension uh now i think subconsciously i know that for me this is no longer a matter of life in this okay i would like to win but this is not you know this is not the end of the world yeah i can have fun and i think somehow maybe just you know it's the it's a kind of spell of keisha but you know because i'm not i'm not you know leaving the game so it's always happens at the last last minute like you know you played match with carolina last year uh in saint louis it was a live match and there were you know there were moments where just have to make one more move one more move and it's a completely winning position so and it's you know it's like you know a curse yes you know probably just you know to remind me that gary you don't belong there so you can still show your strengths you can make some good moves play some you know nice chess you know to remind you know young young kids that you know i still know how to move the pieces but you know i'm not there to win and i think the the uh the goddess of chess is very jealous about those trying to enter to enter this her domain without a full dedication do you uh well you retire you still play some time but you do a lot of other things you give lectures you you give master classes you have lots of engagements do you see yourself implementing things what you've learned and experienced in chess and the mindset and the attitude that you're implementing it in your other projects or even writing books oh absolutely uh my my chess experience is a very important part of of of the rest of my life uh it's it's it's not just you know uh world glory but also uh so personal knowledge that i managed to transfer into into other areas uh like uh human plus machine uh collaboration in chess that i started by introducing advanced chess in 1998 now works all over the place in business in the business world and uh people from many different walks of life from different uh businesses and industries they are quite interested to actually learn you know from this experience um and uh um i feel that uh uh the ability to look at the big picture to analyze the effect of you know your action on the queen side on the opposite side of the board it's very very useful these days because um uh the world has been i think stuck with micromanagement and now at the time of pandemics we just have to look at the big picture and to understand exactly so what what to expect in the future and actually how to improve our chances to build a bright future uh last few questions i wanted to ask you that what uh what are the things that you share and teach your kids to with your experience behind you being a champion you have passions for other things you switched you do other on other areas you do a lot of chess in school projects you have your foundation all over the world what is something that you feel that it's essential that you pass on to your kids you have smaller and older children as well yeah okay well as for all the children so that's the uh they uh they're 27 and 20 20 uh uh three and uh it's just uh uh it's it's just those already have their own ideas about life and i'm connected to them i've you know talked to them regularly so i um but i couldn't say that i i had so much influence in their lives while growing for numerous reasons uh i'm very close now with with my daughter she's turning 14 in in four weeks uh and we we talked about many things she's she's very interested in history and philosophy in modern politics uh she's a very good writer um so our little son is just turned five is this this july uh but um i guess you know we will we will be also doing many things with him so with these two kids you know i believe that i will be able to just to to share uh my global vision of the world and now is with aida we we have a lot to discuss so she's the she's a very voracious leader uh it's just like me she loves consuming information and uh it's it's we never will never short of uh subjects to discuss well thank you very much well you have a lovely boy dasha i know her personally as you were kind enough and once visited our festival together it was very memorable and congratulations with your family your activities and i would like to wish you all the best and have passion for other things thank you very much for being here gary

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Length: 44min 15sec (2655 seconds)

Published: Tue Oct 13 2020