I think that is a good example of the danger of an echo chamber I mean the same thing happened to some degree in the aftermath of the Cathy Newman video because what happened the next day was that the Guardian newspaper in the UK posted a story saying... I think the title was something like "Channel 4 has to call in security experts in the aftermath of..." (Ethan: sure) "... of interview", and then in the first few lines they characterized me with all the epithets that I'm characterized by by people who think they hate me And then they said: "well Channel 4 had to call in security experts and the police", and I read that and I thought Okay well You could call in security experts about anything -and the police- and the fact that they're called in doesn't... Doesn't provide evidence of any credible threat, it's like... and then she turned into the victim of the story And so I tweeted, I said -and I tweeted to her- I said you really you wanna, you wanna... This is how you want this to go, you want to be... now you're the victim of this, is that right? And then... But I also tweeted, and this was my most retweeted tweet last month because I just looked at it. I said Okay, fine, look like maybe she... I looked at the comments, and they're pretty rough you know and there was lots of them, so I tweeted, I said look if you're... We were just exchanging words, right? It's like, if you're threatening her, then back the hell off. It's just like, come on. Clue in and leave her be. You know it's like enough is enough. (Ethan: and that is important to say.) Jordan: But the weird thing was that was picked up by a whole bunch of newspapers the next day as evidence that the threats were real Ethan: Of course, sure. Ethan: It's like, the headline. And then I thought well, maybe I made a mistake posting that Ethan: And thats the thing, you know I run to that too. Your critics, any time you make yourself vulnerable, or attempt to do the right thing, the people who are out to get you will always... ...leverage that against you. Jordan: Don't apologize to the mob. Ethan: But like, no, you must definitely should have done that because your... ...your credibility, it means to your fans more than, whatever, the... Jordan: I felt ambivalent about it when I saw how it had been twisted, and then I thought well maybe I should have just shut the hell up, you know, because it's kind of sad when you... like I was trying to get people to think of it. Ethan: See thats how social media -and I felt that- it makes you turn in. And I don't like that. (Jordan: Right.) When you're like, man... I shouldn't have said anything, that's bad. (Jordan: That is bad, that is bad.) So then like 20 newspapers picked up this story, all through the UK, and I felt: "Oh, this is how this is gonna go", it's like... Ethan: You didn't do anything, you got attacked in an interview. Jordan: Mhm, that's right. And all of a sudden I'm the perpetrator. I thought: "Well, that's cute.", and then... ...so that's kind of like this situation that you were describing, is that the fanbase around Cathy Newman, or at least her ideological allies, let's say... Said: "Oh, no. This is terrible. She got victimized by this brute professor and all his legions of troll followers." I have five million troll followers apparently on YouTube, which is pretty impressive, and they're all trolls. That's also interesting. But... ...then there was a backlash against that, right, and it was some of the more serious journalists I would say came out of the woodwork and said: "Hey hey wait a minute here, like... No, this isn't a simple victim-oppressor-narrative even though that's the only story you radical leftists know how to tell that's not really what happened here.", and then it it settled out. well Apart from the fact that I would have rather just had this sort of conversation with her that we're having because that was my goal It couldn't have possibly worked out more Expediently for me you know and one of the things I've noticed kind of her fall. She was looking for experience Yes, and it ended up backfiring you yes Yes, yes one. It was the same thing that happened with the protests this has happened to me It's another reason why I think I was able to remain composed during that interview I went to McMaster University about a year ago a little more and It was just insane like the protesters occupied the room and they were all chanting and yelling and screaming away and there was in Those crowds I've noticed this in those crowds There's always two or three people there usually men who are a lot of them are just like silly quasi deluded virtue signalling Eighteen-year-old people who just don't know any better, right? They're there because their professors sent them Yeah, you know and I'm more looking I think oh, you know you're just deluded kids fundamentally, but there's always a few people at those rallies Who are really not good people and there were a couple there? They're just psychopaths who were looking for trouble and I could see a couple of them in fact They were the same ones at a couple of different protests And one of them was behind me with a woman And they were blaring an airhorn at me from about two feet away, and that was like look I don't care you can yell all you want But like you deafened me at your peril right so so anyways I with that but I Just let them yell and scream and do their thing and I tried to talk and they draw me out completely and then they police closed the venue because there were too many people in the room and the Protesters wouldn't leave so then I went outside and I talked I stood up on a table And I talked to people outside you know and that Video worked out extraordinarily well from there again, but what I've noticed. This is the thing that's been so strange is that? over the last 15 months Knock on wood Every time I've been pushed into a corner and remained composed sure The narrative reversed every single console wants something I've noted is that every time they come at you You get more followers for every critic that comes at you you get 10 more followers And this pattern has we've seen it over and over again, and yet they still come yeah less, though But the thing the thing is less still it really goes back to what you said they're being expedient yeah, you're being genuine yeah mostly the ones who come after me now our academics who are Incautious let's put it that way is that that's certainly what they are they're incautious and journalists who are unscrupulous and looking to improve yeah and Less so the protesters, and I've really Put the protesters that the social justice types in in Canada in an awkward position It's actually This is the evil part of me talking. It's one of my proudest accomplishments Let's say because I figured out how to monetize social justice warriors How's that because they come out and and protest against me and then my patreon account grows not just yours I take kids It's like We can't let him talk because if he talks then people listen to him That's no good, cuz he's this evil guy he's an evil capitalist which I immediately admit to it's like yeah, I'm an evil capitalist It's like what's got a problem with that it's like so that that just doesn't work very well. It's like well We come out protest him and then it gets richer and that there's nothing that's more annoying to someone especially when people are just donating the money essentially just and so like in Edmonton recently this city in Alberta I had booked a theater and We've signed like three levels of paperwork. We are one. Level away now I had tweeted that I was coming to the theater and then they decided that I couldn't go to the theatre You know despite the book fact that I'd had a book published by a major Canadian publisher. It's penguin. You know it's not like And so they just cancelled and then they lied about it, it's like oh well dr Peterson hadn't signed the final paperwork which was true in the narrowest technical sense because we were operating on good faith Certainly wasn't your intention to ever cancel that no Well or that or that. I jumped the gun by announcing. It's like no look guys We'd be negotiating about this for a month you gave me the go-ahead. I went through the three lowest strata There was one formal thing that had to be done, so they cancelled me Well that caused all sorts of fuss, but then an hour later This guy emailed me from a hotel and they said oh you can do it at our hotel We have a venue for seven hundred instead of two hundred and fifty and it sold out so Yeah, and the Ryerson University cancelled our free speech event we had 200 people slated to attend 1,500 people came to the to the one that we held as a replacement I Learned that trying to repress free speech alone makes it louder. Yeah
I wonder who pays him more, his patreon or the Koch brothers.
Bad work, Ethan. Please stop. I'm disappointed in you.
How disgusting.