Jordan Peterson On The Channel 4 Interview

I wonder how about the now-infamous interview that I'm sure everybody's so much for for if you guys haven't seen it it's terrific give it a watch it's just Jordan Peterson interview channel 4 it'll show up it's got like over five million views now the the reporter was extremely confrontational and I think the clip was so powerful because how how calmly and skillfully you parried each of her verbal attacks and well first of all I'm wondering did you anticipate that interview to be conducted like that were you expecting that kind of competitiveness no interests I'll tell you what happened so and and partly why it turned out the way it turned out so I walked into the channel 4 studios in London I was having a wonderful time in London the people at penguin UK took wonderful care of me for a very yep and so I had a bunch of press appearance is scheduled just back to back and so I wasn't paying much they snuck it in there yeah well when they didn't know you know they didn't know and so we walked into the green room and the interviewer was there and she was getting made up and she was all chirpy and friendly and we had a decent exchange and then we went and my wife was with me and we had like a pleasant exchange and then we went and sat in front of the cameras the cameras were off and we talked for two or three minutes and it was all chipper and fun you know and and then the cameras went on it was like she was a different person huh and the thing is I'm a clinical psychologist and I've talked to people for I don't know how much somewhere between 25,000 and 50,000 hours well and I've talked to every sort of person you can possibly imagine and a bunch of sorts of people that you can't imagine and so I have clinical antennae and when someone does something like that when they're one person one second and a different person the next second it's like I think oh I see I'm not where I thought I was was she do you think she was intentional and and like the friendly back said be confrontational to throw you off intentional is tough see if you practice something long enough you do it automatically without intention but we were intentional while you were developing the habit sure yeah and so I would say well you know maybe what she was doing or maybe she would rationalize what she was doing was saying well you know we were two people to begin with and then I snapped into my professional mode right it's like okay I get it fair enough except why that professional mode you know so I don't buy it it's like yeah I get it like you're playing a hard-hitting journalist but actually you're not playing that you're you're parodying hard-hitting journalist because what a hard-hitting journalist does is say okay here's this person and I've investigated them and I think that there's something not good going on but it actually bothers me and I'm actually curious about it and so I'm gonna think okay why does this bother me and I'm gonna give them a chance to defend themselves but I'm not going to let them off the hook and then I'm gonna ask them questions that I really want to have answered and not on behalf of someone else or anything like that it's just like here's what you here's your responsibility this is what you were charged with and it looks like this is what you were doing what do you think of that and the person offers their Rush now you say well I don't quite buy that because you know I listen but I don't buy it because of this and this it's like it's genuine even though it's like full-on assault it's genuine but her her strategy let's say wasn't genuine there was nothing genuine about it it was it was an act and I knew she was acting pretty much the second the interview started because because she pulled that the bait and switch on yeah okay and I've had this happen to me before where I'm talking to someone and they do something I think oh I'm in a clinical situation here I'm not in the real world I see so anyway you thought that first happened oh my god oh yes I understand it's like I see I'm not where I thought I was that part of the reason why you were able to stay so cool and calm eclectus I was just watching no no and I wasn't perfectly cool and collected either cuz she did set me on edge quite good though it was good not all things considered it that's right all things considered it was good enough and so so I got deep touched and I was watching her you know and I she'd say something and I think that bears no resemblance like I couldn't even really be offended about it was like if you misinterpret me in a way that captures 60% of what I was saying and then distorts the other 40% it's like well that can be annoying because you got me and you're but you're twisting it so it's sort of hit hurts you know but if you're like a hundred percent saying something that I didn't say it's like it's hard to even take offense because it's like well I see that you're attacking someone but it doesn't seem to be here with her and her famous line throughout the interview was so what you're saying is she said that over and over it was like it was she had a trick and the trick was reinterpret the statement in the most inflammatory possible manner sure it's like well first of all that's only one trick it's like you should have like 10 tricks at least because you're a professional journalist like let's let's move on to the next trick shall we or maybe to give the devil her due in this case you could say well she's skeptical of me and and she has her reasons she's fairly representing a large number of people who are critical right right so you could make that case and say okay so then you'd say all right she gets to have out me five times but if that doesn't work if it doesn't go anywhere then she might think oh well something about the way I'm approaching this is not right the problem with the interview was that it wasn't that she was an attack dog like I felt afterwards I said I felt like I've been I've been attacked by 20 miniature pitbulls all at once you know so and I was sure and I should say this to the credit of channel 4 perhaps I was absolutely sure after the interview that what would happen was that they would cut it so that I looked dreadful right and I thought now that was the certain outcome as far as I was concerned and it didn't like I wasn't really bothered by it because I was off to do the next thing whatever it was but but I had no idea well I think I have no idea what was going to have to their great credit well it's so easy on YouTube to disable the comments disable thumbs-up or cut it in this case we're not to post it at all right there like that was a disaster I look bad yeah to their great credit they posted the whole thing yeah unedited yeah come it's open like an open and I mean god bless him for that yeah today you know what you you really dominated that situation and they owned it see I don't I don't think they knew that you think that went after that they're like that was great let's well I kind of know that because I had I had some communication afterwards through various channels to find out yeah yeah cuz you know one of the things did I asked Kathy Newman through someone I knew if she I said look that didn't go very well and you're getting kind of no shredded on YouTube and I said let's let's it wasn't the conversation I wanted to have because like it worked out fine for me like all these millions of people was fine yeah more than fine but it wasn't the conversation I wanted to have I wanted to have an actual conversation so I said well look what we could do is why don't we do it again but this time let's have a conversation you said that before it was posted or after after okay yeah yeah and like set this straight because like she was getting torn apart on YouTube you know I could have sat back and thought oh that's so satisfying she just kidding what just what she deserved and of course a little evil part of me that felt that but the more sensible part was saying well look you know it's like okay 400,000 dislikes it's like message received and so I thought well people make mistakes and we could have a sensible conversation and everybody could come out of this a little smarter than they were yeah but but I got a response from her again through back door channels and she said she didn't understand what had happened because she thought the interview had gone very well it assigns me so much of the humongous thing of course which is what brought us together right yeah the fact that xarna originally posted that video they can hail yeah I got him yeah right and and Rudy had also reached out afterwards to he wanted to meet and make amends she also rebuked him rudely I don't know if that's what I've been in here case but well no she just didn't respond well no that's not right she's that's alright she said let's wait for this to cool down for a few days and revisit it and it's like well that that it didn't progress past out but but see something happened to me that was similar to that too and it was the thing that actually made all of this it was one of the key stages in all of this going viral I made those videos criticizing the Canadian compelled speech legislation yeah and then there was a couple of protests one against me one for me and at the free speech protest for me where I was invited to talk I came and talked and a bunch of activists took the mic and blasted white noise and just generally behaved in a a cinematically inappropriate manner on the civil yes yes in a way that didn't play well on YouTube well after that I went to my office and did some work I came down to talk to the cops to see if everything was okay you know and if things had cleared up but if anybody got hurt or anything like that and I talked to the cops for a bit and then on the way back I got surrounded by unfriendly aggregation of trans activists and they went after me and you know accusing me of having Nazis out the rally and all sorts of things and they videotaped it you know they had their phones out and they were videotaping me and they're gonna they're gonna show the world what I was like so we had a conversation for about 45 minutes which they videotaped I think apart from the Kathy Newman video that is the most watched video that right I wrote I know that one yeah and they I'm sure they posted it they pose they accuse you of being Nazis yes sure and all these things yes and and they posted it because they thought this will discredit that damned professor and it it was completely not what had their their accusations what they charge of was just so like idiotic and unfounded like I can't imagine anyone watching that and being convinced because it's really nothing but but that is the mystery right it's the same mystery we're talking illusion of people baby talk that that that would be confidence from nothing mmm-hmm and they thought that that would and I do think it's the same anon its ideological blindness yeah blinds from nothing yeah well you surround yourself with people who think exactly the same way you do yeah exactly and and then any kind of a shrinking though yeah sure oh it's a terrible shrinking oh yeah well that's partly why ideologies get so out of hand is because you surround yourself with with self reflecting material you're not traveling you're not you're not trying abusing yourself no no no you and the circle gets tighter because you know what if your friends so you've got rid of anyone who says anything you don't disagree her don't agree with and then one of your friends you're a little weaker and you're all little more homogeneous and then one of your friends says something that's a little out of line it's like hey you're out of here man you're their heretic sir heretic and then well now you're down to five people around you and they're even more homogeneous and smaller and then it's four people it's like soon there's nothing lares to the bottom it's a race to the bottom and there's nothing left if you by the time you hit the bottom oh it's ugly it's ugly that's why you don't want to get caught in like an ideological vortex I think that's what's so scary about you know that that whole movement right it's just so or movements right and Jenna's in general yeah I mean that's the danger of ideological movements is that they oversimplify and then fall prey to their own over over simplifications [Music] [Applause] [Music]

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Length: 12min 39sec (759 seconds)

Published: Thu Feb 01 2018