Can Former NAVY SEALS Convince a Former GREEN BERET to Switch to Sig Sauer - PART 1

hey what's going on guys mike phil craft survival we have uh two special guests today at ready gunners range in utah um i always like to come here and isolate do content with friends uh the content we provide with you guys and these guys are vips who are doing a lot of training around the us as well as a product lineup and they're the right guys to teach me some new tactics because even guys with my background experience need to be willing to learn uh without further ado i got dj and cole from gbrs what's up guys thanks for thanks for taking the time man i mean you guys are east coast based nas off guys and uh no longer on active duty but you guys have a new purpose in duty and teaching and doing all the stuff that you do what are you guys doing with gbrs right now knowledge transfer soft and hard goods product development yeah trying to make a better mousetrap and everything we uh felt over the last 20 years was a sticking point or wasn't exactly what we needed or the modifications behind it have kind of been lost in translation over the last you know 10 years yeah so if we can make it 10 better let's make it 10 better for the end user so everything's with the end user in mind and everything we do yeah these guys um don't typically advertise this i will for them professionally but career navy guys that both medically retired um but also guys that have a decade in a tier one navy version known as development group and that operational experience is what's giving them the ability to give these guys like law enforcement and military that they're training the edge because those are real world uh operational lessons learned often made with mistakes and blood and and that's a huge opportunity for i think the industry as a whole which is why i got these guys here to teach me i think it's important to uh pay attention to that because that's super relevant i mean i tapped out five years ago and that feels like in the tactical space like vietnam like i'm like a vietnam guy and these guys are like modern g watt guys what we wanted to do for you today is kind of have navy seals train a green beret in the transition of a glop pistol which is all i shot my military career um and then into a sig i'm new to sig but i'm on board because it feels right i don't know if it shoots shoots right because i've only used the 320x carry but now i got their new hotness a full-size 320 that i just put in the holster last night um that i'm willing with these guys experiences and working with sig um to to have them teach me from the ground up so i think it'd be pretty entertaining to to do that but also very beneficial for me and you guys at home watching the content so i'm ready you guys ready yeah all right let's take it off cool all right guys i i've never so i've never put a round through this gun and it's full size i don't even know the model of gun this is um it's it's max michelle's 320 competition gun uh so i'm assuming it's forgiving but don't know a lot about the gun and that's on purpose we're gonna do a video on me unboxing a gun and shooting for the first time but even better opportunity with dj and cole to learn out of the box kind of assessing uh the transition in a gun from a glock to a sick so i'll just hand it over to you man and whatever you want to do so first we started with the sig had the entire career started in buds all the way through i didn't have a handgun background growing up yeah most people don't yeah that's a very hard gun i feel to learn on with that double action trigger it's a very long trigger pull so the first one is basically just to [ __ ] it yeah and then we go from there we had to make a hard transition to the glock from the sig and i feel that grip angle when we did it i was always aimed high i always had to drop it so the school of thought is i'm driving it out and now i have to level it before my first shots as i'm prepping the trigger and driving it out that's what we had to do for glock for sig it feels more natural to me when i drive it out in the airline but it's really finding the trigger i feel the trigger is uh it's very different from block to sig not better not not worse just it's different and it's worth a conversation so the trigger prep the trigger reset and then driving out into your eye line knowing you don't have to level it much so we make the stance and everything the same we drive it out to figure out where the actual breaking point is the sweet spot yep and then how far to reset instead of coming all the way off i feel because of the weight of the sig for whatever anomaly people come all the way off for the reset and then reacquire obviously it messes up for a follow-up shot yeah so so firing through the manipulation the trigger reset and then um kind of getting used to the trigger because it's so different and the weight of the gun itself it weighs more dude i noticed that i mean i grew up in ipsec and uspsa and and some of my open guns are like heavy and you're like why would you use a heavier gun it just feels more balanced as you're driving it you could almost rail the gun evenly versus that polymer which is like whoa it's completely different feels like if i squeeze it hard enough i'm gonna break it and i'm gonna break myself and then we talk about guys because most guys in special operations during military i mean you're not a pack of peanuts you're a full size human you've got a full-size hand and if i drop a glock 19 into it my pinky has nowhere to go yeah so a full-size frame i like the weight of it it helps me manage recoil better yeah and i know i have a gun in my hand like it makes me feel connected to it so we do a blind test we bring in new clients we line up everything down the road we just pick them up until you get to the one where in your mind you've never you don't have any pistol background no experience stop when you hit a pistol that that's what it feels like most people stop honestly they do when they grab it and their eyes are closed and like that's what i thought a pistol would feel like the weight of it the balance i like that i'm going to steal that try that like i like so i i teach based on hand size where i say hey if you if you're picking a gun because it's smaller or because it looks cooler you're making a mistake and most people make that mistake and then they have to work through it and then they don't feel comfortable in everyday carry and and then when they figure out the gun they actually want it just saves them a lot of time and money if they just do that in advance oh do you do that your your training forces like the blind test bring them all in and then you get some guys who are super experienced and they're shooting but they're not shooting at their full potential and it's because you've got these huge meat hooks yeah and the gun is just too small yeah shoot a glock 17 and they crush it yes you give them a 34 they crush it even more they put a mag well on even better it's like now switch over to something you don't have to level switch over to a sig and drive it out and they they shoot better i know i do yeah i do for sure yeah what's your feedback cole i mean you talked about um kind of that fit and what feels good um i hate to say it but aesthetics are still part of that selection because i know plenty of guns that shoot really good and look ugly as [ __ ] and i should not carry it well that's why i'm a fan of sick too i mean the the agency sig that you showed me it just looks proper right and and it i mean one it's worn it's got like patina on it because you guys run those guns like tools like they should be run but um there's something to that man because i mean there's like there's a reason high points not doing so well uh just generally speaking i mean even like wear and tear on the gun like we have our boxes big 1660 i take that pistol i threw in the box just like i did in the military if it breaks inside of the box it wasn't meant to be yeah it's like we have to torture test it but a realistic torture test yeah i don't need to run over with a truck i need to be able to drop it throw in a box for six months and yeah does it still hold zero yeah does it feel natural when i shoot it and does it feel like how a pistol should feel yeah but i know plenty of guns that don't i drive mountain it does not feel right and i can't perform right yeah for sure we've talked about picking the right tool for the right problem or however you want to use that i can't speak highly enough about sig because of modularity of it you pull the trigger module out like you want to carry have a little bit smaller frame slide yeah same trigger module yeah you're just swapping that out it's like a transformer yeah so for me like i love this x5 legion i like a big heavy gun like a big handle like a big heavy gun that carry model they made yeah that's the best of both worlds i drop the actual scu i drop it in and now i've got multiple platforms but i like to dress around the gun when i conceal carry i throw on a big over garment like i can hide i can hide a full-size gun when i pull it out like that's my thing i can't run i can't run a very small pistol like um a clock 43 x i i can't and i won't bet my life on that if you and me were to get in a gunfight right now in the next room and you handed me a glock 43 like [ __ ] like i'm not giving you my best foot forward weird true story is i pulled a glock 43 on a guy in california and uh hiding behind my a-pillar after he was trying to get out and like he's gonna pull a gun after that incident when i was i mean it i didn't shoot the dude it was it wasn't a self-defense act the dude was a gang banger he pulled over he threatened to have a gun i pulled the gun in my car behind my a puller after that thing that feeling i had overwhelmingly was i don't ever want to have that gun in my hand again because it was too small the magazine capacity was too too small and i'm used to in grs carrying a glock 17 full size and on a bigger guy like us we can get away with that and it felt right uh to transition back into a full-size gun that i'm used to shooting on the flat range teaching but also that i could just transition into carry so how can you see how big your hand is yeah same thing so in the i'm assuming yeah absolutely yeah yeah so it's like the the in one end-all be-all solution for a specific gun for a specific person doesn't exist because it depends on the the mission like what is your intent is it home defense self-defense the truck gun um shooting on a flat range i like guns and utility and that modular adaptability is sick i feel like this is a sig commercial um but but i like that because you know i'm i'm getting more in bed with sick because i want to help advance equipment and the guys that are advancing equipment dan horner and and lindsay and all these guys um they're doing so from experience which is why i think um i mean this this video should be called um navy seals convinced green beretta she's sick right i mean i yeah you guys use two two sixes right yeah we did but it was double action single action and then we transitioned down to 320 and it's like that was the best blend they could have done because everyone wanted to strike a fire we wanted glock for reliability and just the economy of motion and shooting and i wasn't a believer we never had glock until my last four years in military yeah and then we shot that we got it but i couldn't run that glock i wouldn't want to bet my life on it i just shot a sig better yeah i just did my glock 19 um 22 or 36 is which we use in the military even 34s um they spent a lot of time during my time period in sr-25 mag pouches tucked away because there's no in my job in reconnaissance and being a sniper in the sith i was on containment so there's just no idea that it was like i need to be ready for that transition and so it was just stowed away tucked nicely but if you're in the salter if you're an operator kicking indoors uh if you're a police officer if you're everyday carry you're worried about self-defense you need that comfortable ready-to-go pistol and that i feel like there's a long digression but i think it's pertinent to the video yeah about um what we're about to do because like i said um this isn't for fake we didn't rehearse anything i've actually i've drawn this pistol with julian yesterday three times after i mounted it while i was just shooting the [ __ ] with julian i don't even have draw like nothing this is cold so let's do it yeah so for me um i like to find call it admin i like to just find the trigger breaking point yeah so clear and search there's nothing in there good yep so high in the purchase try to figure out exactly where that wall is going to be yep straight to the rear but feel it so one pound two pound three i can feel it right on the hinge point like it's about to go i need to know where that is because i'm going to drive out i need to go straight to the wall i like to be at that point at full arms extension in my eye line i can break the shot or not break it yeah but i feel like too many guys wait for full extension and then try to send it and you get back huge discrepancy yeah guys even when they drive fire or drive practice they practice drawing the whole the gun from the holster and they practice doing that and i'm like your fingers extended on the frame you're not a police officer is mitigating wrists because you're you're you're pulling the gun saying show me your hands you're pulling that gun because it's self-defense and so you're saying prep the trigger find the wall on this pistol so i know where it's okay so find that multiple times and really to find the reset turn safe so admin we try to figure out exactly where it is it's right at the wall one pound yeah two pounds that's super short like i'm used to all the slack and garbage exactly and if you go in there with that kind of attitude you'll take the first shot and you'll break it premature because you're used to a long wall yeah you used to find it and it's not there it's very crisp oh so break it all the way to the rear and lock it to the rear yeah feel the reset how short that is and then right back to the wall oh so like half the reset exactly the length of a block so if you went with the glock mindset i feel like you take out too much slack you break the shot premature and you reset too far out yeah that's a very short wall especially with that gun being max michelle's he needs a short reset for the follow-up shots wow with the weight of that gun the balance of it and the trigger reset and it's a stock trigger there's nothing done to that wow okay so yeah i'm not used to that because i'm used to all the grinding that i would feel in a glock and then when it resets it's so immediate it's like i i move my finger out and i immediately find the reset versus searching there it is and then i'm on it yeah i feel like kind of on a glock or any anything else even on um on uh hk vp9 we've got a bunch of those i feel like that reset i'm waiting waiting waiting waiting there it is oh you have to reacquire all that back yeah with this you don't have to but i feel like the grip angle yeah it's more natural so if we drive it out in our eye line we shouldn't have to level it should come in the eye line yeah if we manage to trigger prep and the trigger reset we've already got the grip established we've got that vice grip we're not deviating left or right up or down we're pulling trigger straight to the rear it shoots very flat well that i've noticed that too about what you said about finding the eye line is the the sig frame is higher so it sits taller so it's in my eye line with my hands under where a glock would be where i'm typically up in my field of view now i'm just like right below it which is a difference too as well i also like the built-in beavertail for me um i mean we've got scars all cut in there for shooting blocks over the last couple years yeah um because i grip so high on the gun that's what we teach super high we get glock bite with this when i get that full-sized purchase and i get in the meat of my hand i feel like it's so much easier to control yeah it's so far away yeah usually a glock would be ripping i mean i got the same thing right there i got the same thing as scar right there that's crazy and it's something else like for the back backplate shooting that little notch right there when we're teaching instinctive shooting everything else like on glocks you know people put a punisher skull or something like that yeah we do backplate shooting for exiting out of vehicles inside of crowds the instinctive the very violent [ __ ] that is a very easy button to find when you drive that out and you back plate on a pistol it becomes natural and that becomes a secondary aiming device yeah so we stripped off irons we don't run them because inside of uh what we do now yeah we don't need to okay all right so uh let me ask you one more question that will kind of extend the video on this as a part one um because it's super interesting there's there's something that i got attacked with uh years ago when i was teaching pistol uh to civilians um because i've been in instances in the house killing bad guys where you know we're doing a soft clear after a call out and that guy is there and oh crap bad guy and after it's all said and done i'm like i never snapshotted my eotech i never saw the dot that happened routinely not routinely but it happened a lot and i was like wait a minute why does everybody get so butthurt about mike why are you teaching instinctive reflexive and what i've realized is it's probably nomenclature it's name because every officer that we've interviewed plus a hundred guys have always said in an immediate threat against an immediate threat they never had time to find their front sights because their eyes were obviously target focused because that's where they saw the behavior or indication of deadly force they they flipped on and and the timing constraint how do you teach it you use the word instinctive and and you use backplate shooting which i've never heard before which because i've heard i teach alignment and i say hey like dan horner would teach dan horner last year a podcast and said hey out of all the championships you won because he won everything shot i competed in the easter sock sniper company with my ass and he's not even a sniper sucks i did third though i did really i got a gun but he said i said how many targets did you transition your field of view or your field of focus from target to front sight out of all the targets one he won every every cop he shot and he said it was a 27-yard pie plate six inches wide and it was a gun he wasn't familiar with probably the nra championship and and i'm like how come we are not teaching this and then how come when guys like me or you say something about this the industry or players in the industry go what are you doing and i get the liability aspect but i also want to train a reality what's your what's your whole take on that exactly that reality the reality is that very few people can keep it switched on at a hundred percent so you it becomes a reaction it becomes out of all the house runs you've done 95 was kind of benign like there wasn't a dude in that corner you didn't have to shoot people at every single room and when you do it's a lot of reaction it's a lot of reflex responses so if we make the stance this the same the grip the same if i look exactly where i want to go and i drive it in my eye line i feel it becomes like shooting a spitball i don't have to know how to shoot a spitball i point my nose where i wanted to go it's in line with my stern on my belly button my center line and i can hit what i want to so if we make it all the same and i drive it out and i trust it then i use this backplate so that backplate plate i superimpose dead center because that is directly in line with the board that's where the round is leaving so if i put that directly over the a and i break the shot straight to the rear i don't deviate left to right or up and down it'll go there and it's and you're using that reference in the background of your vision so that's bad so like even taking the window of the actual optic if i would take that moon and crest it right here i know where it's going like it's a mathematical formula from where the bullet is to there i know where it is yeah and if i don't deviate if i make everything the same even a reflex response if i lean back and everything is shitty and i drive it straight up into my eyeline i'll hit it it's the same thing with a carbine so we're getting a lot of situations in cqb where you might have to present a carbine where you don't have an eye line you can't you have to be able to make that shot at a moment's notice so we mess around with grip to give yourself essentially a different optic i can use my fingers and i can make that essentially a rear notch on my support grip and i put you in between that and i hit you so i can drive it up and snap three or four shots this is my aiming device my two fingers around the forward grip yep that is my device can we do it long enough and there is no excuse there is no redo there is no ah [ __ ] time out let me go back and acquire this yeah you can't you have to train for it and i'm a realist like inside of 20 feet it's a big flash it's a funny face and you have to be able to react super fast so if we make it all the same you come to the range you can burn a lot of reps a lot of realistic reps there are we call them universals they all translate to everything else you know i mean i think when you're talking about the industry that kind of bulks at the idea of instinctive shooting i mean we talk about connecting uh training with reality um i would beg to ask the question of i mean you're talking about a theory connect reality do it you're saying in a defensive posture where you're fighting for your life you paused and aimed because either you didn't feel comfortable like oh you didn't oh okay so we're talking with reality like real people that have experienced a real thing and this is not a beginner move this is like years of training years of confidence like years of just banging perfect reps we have that confidence if i do need to take that headshot i'm comfortable i can take it from here i may take a little pause but if i'm fighting for my life i know i can empty the entire magnetizer with my right hand off it but that's because of my training you just got to burn this right so it's good to see the navy backing the army on this because i've i've actually been attacked by the firearms industry in a lot of ways for teaching that and the only people who have backed me are guys like kyle lam who've done it for real right um jamie caldwell uh who's done it for real uh one minute out uh is this company viking tactics it's kyle lambs but um man that's good to see and and it's not like it's like hey do instinctive shooting do reflective shooting and don't practice it as a default it's not it's we're saying understand it's a thing and it's likely to happen what i tell my students is you could not believe me and you'll do it anyway because you want to live i mean the bottom line is you want to live so when that gun's in line even if it's not in line suppression is a tactic because we don't go ambush three o'clock where's the bad guy where's the bad guy oh there he is we want to change the psychology of the gunfight so we start sending rounds and suppression and we're not on target we're suppressing the bad guy changing the psychology and i'm not advocating for suppression of bad guys but it's very simple to understand if you identify a threat and it's an immediate threat meaning it's like two tenths away from breaking in your ass you don't have the time and i love that i love that one of the things uh the verbiage behind it instinctive shooting they get kind of caught up with it yeah we're trying to do a word play like i'm not doing anything but it's confirmation of my fundamentals my grip my stance my head position my side alignment and my drive out i don't need the sights at a certain range and if i drive them out exactly like how i practice with the red dot and the red dot is not there i should hit exactly where i pointed yeah exactly where i look at so if i look at the head box and i drive out too and i break the shot and i don't hit it there's something wrong in my foundation something wrong with my stance my head position maybe i lean too far forward maybe i tomahawk chop maybe i bowled it in position but i didn't drive it out in my eyeline i didn't break the trigger straight to the rear i did something something in my foundation is messed up and we can isolate it pretty fast he's standing right behind the student and i cut him in half drive the gun straight out and you'll see some guys drive it out and they swing through the cross-eyed dominant they've got something going on that it might not be bad but is it repeatable because if you have something like if you have a weird stroke you have something under duress it'll break down yeah so we try to simplify the entire process knowing that it's [ __ ] scary man like being shot at inside of 20 feet inside of whatever it's dangerous man it's super scary you're gonna have buck fever it's like it's like everything else but you don't be overcome by events but it happens so yeah if you can put the pressure on the best in the world absolutely dude scared shitless when it happens yeah it's real and i think having a conversation with people that have actually done it we shouldn't get a lot of flack for it like you've never done that like we all have it is it is instinctive shooting like that's what you have to train for because you have to put weapons in very awkward situations and positions to cover your mates back you have to and you have to be able to break that shot inside of 0.25 you have to natural human reaction 0.25 seconds i have to go right now yeah you make the move we got to go i mean the situation dictates the reaction i mean how many times you sat there on a flat range and like all right on the buzzer i'm gonna draw and shoot you you're you're moving you're not static like it's a two-way do you have a groceries in your hand you have your kid in your hand or you're holding your wife's hand maybe you don't even have a chance to get a two-handed grip but it's a tool to use for the right situation may not be for everybody but i mean i'd much rather i always hated having to tell the leadership or telling a teammate no like can you make that shot yeah can you pick that up yeah can you jump over that wall yeah can you make that shot yeah i don't want to have to hit the excuse matrix like why didn't you take that shot the red dot wasn't there but what it's not even it's not vocabulary no there is no excuse at this like you have to it's gun play it's dangerous and your life depends on my ability to break that shot or not like at a certain level they pay you to take the shot they really pay you to not take the shot yeah the processor speed everything in there it's like if i'm just overcome by events and i don't prep that trigger and i jerk it i'm gonna miss i'm gonna miss by a lot yeah so we have to be able to work through all the steps like i feel like it it drives home that that point of mastering the basics i mean this is an advanced talk this is going oh we got to be disciplined to go let's let's not do all these things that we think the the cartwheels and the ninja school doesn't exist let's back up a little bit and just pay attention and focus consciously on the basics and that's like the mastering of that is why these guys are the best in the world man and and my army counterpart unit guys as well um i'm going to give you blue balls on this video today we're going to use this as part one and if you're interested you saw the counter and you're like they haven't gotten to it yet there's only one minute left how's this going down well we're gonna give you part two into this because um i i could have edited this and chopped it down but dude we'd be losing a lot of experience and institutional knowledge that's very important for you guys to understand and i love the chat about it so part one subscribe make sure you go to the gbrs website below in the links uh their instagram is below as well uh set your notifications and also subscribe to their youtube channel which are pushing to do more cross-pollinated content uh especially with these experiences that we're talking about and uh we hope you guys are staying in and stay tuned until next time i'll see you guys at part two

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Length: 26min 35sec (1595 seconds)

Published: Wed Dec 01 2021