California Rapper On The Run In Mexico - Conejo - True Crime Podcast 593

he's driving I'm the eyes behind his head what are they doing I go they're on phones too we're watching the other we're both on phones they're calling for backup we're calling for backup so out of nowhere my guy punches it and when he punches it like the like lights went off in the grill you know how they have the lights in the grill those cop lights but in the grill they go off and they put the sun visors down and they said FBI FBI so my my heart dropped [Music] like so I call the house and I call the house and I tell my guy bring all the weapons out bring all the bulletproof West out hurry up hurry up put everything on top of the trash cans open the garage we're going to come smashing through you come out and you bust on them while we get dressed so he's like what and I'm like hurry up we're like 1 minute away so I know him he's in shock too like he's with it this this the guy I'm talking about he's proven he's he's official he's he's with the business but still it don't matter you need more information to to and and I'm giving them like a minute so we're going they're chasing us chasing us we're getting close to the house the garage door is closed so we have no choice now we're going now it's Grand Vado video game it's like 4 5:00 we're on the sidewalk crashing into cars and all of a sudden um the back I'm looking this guy's driving I'm looking back and all I get down he's like what happened and I'm like cuz the guy came out the back window the passenger back window it was a like the scope on the it was a rifle right but the scope looks so big it's it's I'm like oh [ __ ] so I told them I told my guy we're going to have to split up because the tip on that bullet is going to be this big Mexico has Weaponry everything you know you know that they get all the [ __ ] from all over the us and it goes over there like an AK is like a joke you know in these days AK was popular but now they don't got AKs you know why would you have an AK when you can have an AR 15 these a West Los Angeles rap artist known as face well one of his lyrics says I don't want to be a product of my environment I want my environment to be a product of me this podcast has been years in the making Cano rapper in movies you've seen him out there going viral and it's a huge privilege I'm deeply honored he said to me a long time ago if we have a touchdown in London we got to do something and here he is today thank you brother now I've watched a lot of his stuff and there's hours and hours of content it is such a gripping story and all of the links as well are going to be below this video so please check out his work so there's a particular story I'm going to start with and then you're going to see we're going to be on the edge of our seats from there but first off huge thank you for coming on and spending this time with us this evening man yeah no thank you for having me like if I was going to hit a podcast over here it had to be yours oh really appreciate that thank you yeah and um listening to your stuff Dan there was a story whereby your friend your a house and your friend wants to steal a cable and then all hell breaks loose let's go into that one cuz and it's in La isn't it yeah it wasn't actually at my house it was uh it was at at it was at it was there's a park where where I grew up hanging out at it's called Hoover Park it's right there in the West Adams district that that everybody knows that that's the park where like my neighborhood the gang that I that I ran with as as a as a you know young kid the harpies um that was our park that's where we kicked it at so um where where where it happened was um we had we were working construction this then so but we would we would sell dope Crystal at the job site all the construction workers will be on on that you know so we and plus I had my own customers and everything so we me and my bro had we both had ran out so we called the connect which was one of my homies that sold like you know the ounces or whatever right so he's like meet me at the park so he swung by picked up the money and he's I'll be right back so we're like that street right there is like right behind Hoover Park this it's like a small street right there by USC college and then the street is 25th Street so that's our that's that's our street you know and um I'm there and the it's sort of like these apartments the are Apartments my bro's looking he's like man I need a cable for my room so I could connect the cable in my house at the in my room so he goes I'mma take it so he just goes I'm I'm right there by myself I'm just right there by myself just looking but I got my you know my construction boots on dirty Levis dirty white shirt you know I just got off of work you know and I'm just like chilling and they had like a bar I remember had this like there was just like a bar right there just random there's a bar so I'm like my hands are on top of it and I look and here comes a car coming down that street off of the Main Street which is Adams it goes down this little street it's coming and I'm just like checking that out cuz you know by this time I'm like maybe like 25 20 25 26 years old you know I've been in the streets my whole life you know so we know how to analyze vehicles coming your way and things so as it's coming I noticed that the the the the drive the passenger has it the door's open unless the car's just driving with the door open it's not all the way open but it's open you know and open enough to where you can see it and it and it's coming and it's like coming real slow and I see them looking inside the park there's like a soccer game going on and they're like looking because my homies hang out in there I don't know this I'm just seeing this car like slowing down and then I look and I see they're bald they're gang members right so but they're looking that way they stopped almost in front of me so and they're looking that way and I'm like hey and when they turned around I told him this heart piece you know I throw the H at them and then little kid jumps out it was a little kid I I don't know how old he was but it was a short little kid maybe 13 14 and he lets off on me the first one boom and and when he lets off it skinned me right here it burned my pant and it dropped me it like I like kind of fell but like you know something told me get up go go go go so that house where we were at it there was these two brothers that Liv there so my and they were friends with my homies so my homies would take over this apartment you know that was like a kind of a hangout and they had a sister and I remember her sister had just got this new little Honda Civic it was right where I I was above on the on that bar and then there was like a step down and the car was on the sidewalk right there right so the kid runs around the car trying to get me stands back and he's firing at me he's hitting the wind he hits the windshield he starts like shoot the cars cars are all cars are getting hit and he's like we're zigzagging in between cars he's trying to get me this little kid is trying to get me you know and and I'm like I'm like running towards Adams but I'm like should I jump the fence and run in the middle of the so soccer game because it's a lot of movement but I'm like hell no he'll catch me on the fence on the on jumping over he'll get me right there and I just I just you know bobbed and weaved and zigzag in between cars and he shot all the cars and he had Ram left me left his car so when the car backed up in reverse and he just ran jumped in and took off and I was like oh that was crazy that was a and and this this is like I would say this is I don't know I don't remember that good but it could have been 90 days from when I went on the run so in these like last 90 days I had like a couple of near-death experiences you know where like where um I almost got hit or or just happening where like can you take us through each one uh there there's another situation that happened right there after that so I remember um me and my codefendant in my case that I went on the run so we're it was a Sunday right and then he's like let's go Patrol the hood so I'm in my truck you know on some 4x4 driving around boom driving around the hood the perimeter just like scoping everything out looking at you you know gang writing and and just things like that and there's a street it's it's the border between us and like the other gangs everything on that side of Washington we don't get along with everything on this is our Hood we have a big hood and then um so we're coming down Washington and that's a cemetery a lot of my my homeboys are buried in the cemetery it's called rosale Cemetery it's on the corner of Washington and Normandy for those that know La that know that area and then um we stop at the light and I look at the gas station and I seen some some dudes that look kind of like like they could have been like Mexican Nationals but they were they were they were had soccer clothes on they had they were like soccer players but then some were like bald and you know when you see a another gang member I don't care if he's disguised and whatever like you're going to recognize you're going to recognize him you know that what he is or what what if he's not you know so I'm like hey let's move in a little bit closer we come up into the to the gas station and they're on one side of the pumps so I come on this side and I ask him like I'm like Kario like where you from like what neighborhood you from but simultaneously when I did that another one reacted and I seen him reach for something un like under the maybe like behind the stereo I don't know he stuck his hand somewhere under the under the steering column but it happened quick like in seconds because right when he when I asked him that he told me where he was he was my enemy and then this other like these two situations happening simultaneous when he said it before I could like say anything you know I did tell him man this this you know this my neighborhood this heartbeast you know they just started letting off on me boom boom boom he lets off he's probably let off I don't know cuz you know when you get shot one shot or two shots sounds like a whole clip to you cuz it's so loud in it and so he starts hitting starts hitting the truck I punch it I come out the gas station almost crashed all these cars and then my Cod defendant the passenger seat it one hits right behind his head so there's a hole right there it like so since he went down and missed his head if he would have been up it would have hit him and then boom the glass is like blowing out I got glass in my my mouth it's all in my eyes I'm driving and I'm you know well it's like you get hit with like I don't know you get frantic I don't know like fear um adrenaline surv you kick it survival mode kicks in I just smash we get so far we there's glass everywhere we jump out you know you check your body cuz sometimes you don't feel it when you get hit and and I've never been shot directly you know but I've had a lot of my friends die next to me around me in front of me be you know on the side of me so I had friends that didn't know they were shot until a few minutes later and then they end up dying because those few minutes maybe could have saved them so we checking ourselves you know we're good like so things like that were happening to me like I felt like those last day those last month or two or three before I went on the run my life was just moving fast real fast and a lot of things were happening and I used to work far we were building on parking structures so it'll take two hours to get there 3 hours to get get back home and then construction the sun I'm tired get home eat start selling dope you know it was to the point where like I was up they were coming to my window in my house I wasn't like meeting them no more I was just so tired like I was just so tired tired that I just be like hey come to my window don't don't you know just try to be lowkey and tap light when you're there or call me and then you know slide it out and you slide the money in or whatever and and so you know just like things like that and and and for me like not like for me and for like a lot of the listeners that that come from Los Angeles this is an everyday thing you know this is not like I'm not saying nothing that's like that they haven't been through you know like you you're going to go through this this over there um all the time you know and and and when I did a when I did American trollo podcast and I did um um um John Berto podcast I had told him that that in 91 they killed 17 of my homies but this is the thing like I some of the comments were like oh you know you know how people are they're negative they're they're they they love typing some bll or but the thing is that we weren't the only ones that lost 17 everybody was losing everybody was losing homies like a lot and um like like my neighborhood cuz the way they were giving it to us we were giving it to everybody too they ain't nobody was like um like we weren't like nobody's punching back you know what I'm saying like um so whatever happened to us happened to them too whoever it is they know you know whoever's watching this they we like cuz now I have a lot of friends that are from enemy gangs you know and and you know there's like mutual respect and love I caught some of them before I came over here and and asked him some questions you know like hey about coming here and um and you know like when we sit there and they tell me stories they're the same stories and I'm like damn I I didn't know that you guys had like equal amount of hatred for some of the people that we had and and the same things happened you know so it was just it was just happening all over Los Angeles at that time you know so but that's before that's the early 90s when I went on the run I went on the run in um 2001 2002 somewhere around there I don't know could you explain what you were going on the run for so basically what had happened um a situation that happened where where a young man lost his life at a party and um it like landed on my lap you know and so you know some might say like oh that's guilt he ran cuz it's but but you don't you don't know until you're in that situation whether you did it or whether you you didn't do it it's too much sometimes you know so you need you need like space and time to like clear your mind to see what's your next move you know and that's that's that's what I did and um so they how old were you at that point I'm like 27 25 26 I don't know people whoever's out there go do the math I was born in 74 do the calculations uh so you know so this situation happens and um we decide we decide to leave you know we're kind of like hiding around but it was just it be to be a fugitive to be running is it's not as easy I mean if I had more knowledge it could have been easier but I didn't have that knowledge so so my mindset was just small you know like now we're going to rip you out of your comfort zone what are you going to do and then you start like scrambling you don't know what to do so my my my friend my codefendant he was like Let's cross you know my family will have work for us over there doing things just to explain for people in the UK Crossing means going down to Mexico yeah crossing over the border into Mexico so and California is next to Mexico so it's like this some like ww west or like you cross the border and you know you you go over there and um I don't know you try to just stay alive or or just survive or or whatever right so we go over there we end up going over there and and I had I remember I had like about $3,000 on me that's it maybe 2,700 maybe 3,200 I don't know something like that my buddy had like six or seven or eight on them and we're like let's just go so money goes a long way down now doesn't it nah but not really it does but when you're going to be able to come back cuz you could blow all your money and be like I'll just go back work sell some dope do whatever you do and and it's like it's but when you're going there and you know you never could come back you know like that Red Hot Chili Pepper song The Other Side that's my song you going to you know you can never come back it it hits you different so especially like like you know you you grew up in the yeah yeah yeah I'm I'm I grew up in the hood and the neighborhoods and the streets but you know I never was rich or nothing like that I never was like bing out of control out for drug sales I was just surviving you know and but you know you're over here you're buying brand new clothes you look you want to look right on the weekend so you you know your your shoes are brand new all the time you your white shirts are brand new your sweaters Dodger jackets Raider jackets whatever it is you know you want to wear and now you go to Mexico so we get over there and it's cool because Americans go there all the time but they only go there for like at the most like a month after a month people start asking questions like man why the is this dude here and there's only two things at this point either you're deported or you're a fugitive that's it if you're there for like more than a month it's like you know when you're younger sometimes the parents send the kids over there when they're up in the in in the streets s to Mexico you know disconnect them from from from the things that are like that are like giving them a bad influence you know but man Mexico's full of bad influences too you know there's a vies just like anywhere else and um so we get over there we just start we spend the money we have no money now what did you blow it on just just like whatever you know eating and you know and just whatever you blow it on whatever whatever whatever Mexico has to offer you going to blow it on that and then um so but there wasn't no work and and I remember that that see like with us my neighborhood there was a connection to hes and a lot of my a lot of my homeboys that are older than me they would they would get took in Hest to work cuz we had people from our neighborhood that were involved with the people from hes so when I left they gave me a number for hes so we have money we're spending it but I'm I keep calling this number in whattis and and at this time 2002 I don't I don't I don't know I just every time I think about whates hes is turned up whates is like active like they you know but see the and the thing is that I don't know about Mexico I'm from La you know yeah I know about Mexico cuz I I've been going to Mexico back and forth since I was a kid but I don't know like like what it's really like and what I'm about to be involved in because of because I'm a fugitive I don't know I I don't know what it's really like so we go over there we start standing out like a sore thumb and then I start we start feeling out of place because we're wearing big ass baggy pants looking like a gang member they don't like that over there that don't that don't go over there you know we got tattoos that that's like a red flag for the cops they'll with you you're an easy like because you know cops like robbing people right so that's a easy way to rob somebody they're like oh man these dudes are criminals in the US let's Rob them real quick let's let's let's make up some sh tell them they're going to go to jail so we could take everything they got you know so things like that we start finding out all these things right keep calling quades quades keeps telling me hold up hold up there's going to be something for you guys just hold up be patient it's crazy over here right now we're like getting all the pieces you know we're putting all the we're moving pieces around we're moving things around but keep you know don't keep in touch and and it's crazy because it's like you're calling to go die basically you know you're calling Hues the people in hes my people that's running around in hues is but you know and and and the dude the the dude we were calling another dude but the dude that he worked for he end up dying and the the the thing I heard he was running out of prison and the story how they told it to me was I don't know this for a fact but this is a story they told me his got with his wife and the minute he stepped out the compa had him snatched up and disappeared I don't even I don't think they ever found his body so so you know we didn't go but by that time other things had happened so then me and my partner we split up because together we just it's too much two guys two ball guys walking around you know now I have hair right there I was still bald I was wearing size 56 uh Levis white Cortez's Dodgers jacket it's just too much you know and then um so you know we started being around people and they're like oh no you got to get rid of that you can't look like that that's you're drawing too much attention we don't need that attention get rid of that and then so we we we split up whatever we we keep in touch I would if I he came up on some money he would send me some money if I came up on some money I would send him some money and then um and that's how we were doing it and then one day he just called me and he's like hey pack up there's work so I was like what and he was just like I I want to talk about it on the phone but just be ready there's work now it's it's cool we'll be all right now and and our whole thing with the whole time was like just make enough money to get a lawyer to come back to the States and pay for a lawyer and beat our case that's how much we loved the neighborhood or La you know we didn't like we were just out of our comfort zone you know even though we're Mexican my parents are from both of my parents are from Hal school you know and and you know when my my parents they like my whole family my like they started coming here in the late 50s 60s I was born in the 70s I was 80s baby you know out there like a kid and then after late 80s 90s my you know like the the the the la gang culture like came into full effect and you know you don't you you just you're just part of it cuz you grew up right there it's not like oh I'm poor let me join a gang I didn't even know I was poor I was poor cuz my mom told me I was poor but I didn't know cuz everybody was poor so it's not like oh we're [Music] poor make corn flakes with water and like that but I didn't see nothing like like if it's you know I didn't see it as poverty I was like everybody does that when you run out of milk so they said work was available work was available we show up we show up to this town and again I'm I'm out of my comfort zone and I'm seeing these dudes all these dudes got money and and and and when you're around dudes when you have nothing and you're around dudes that have money connections it makes you feel so small you know you're about to be used for something you don't really want to do you know and then so they they lay it out this is what's going on this is what we need to get done so now they take us they take us to this house right it's like a nice ass house like some like marble and and it even has electricity around the whole house so ain't nobody jumping over they get electrocuted and um we're there and it's just we're waiting so Boom the next day they come we get radios all this like do you know how to handle this yeah I'm like yeah yeah I do and then um okay well this is this is the mark this is this this is that and then we're sitting on it and and I remember I'm like let's do it I just want to get paid and go back to Los Angeles they're like nah nah we're we we we just got a call that we're going to negotiate with him for a little bit so but then the next day they're like nah negotiations didn't go through we're going back we're sitting on them and I'm like man this just driving me crazy I'm just like he's there look at him and and and this dude you would you wouldn't even think he had money like that the dude sweeping the sidewalk he has a little Mexican story you know they're called aares where it's like a little liquor store type sweeping the sidewalk throwing water you would never think that he's the guy with money and and involved in in things you know illegal things second day no third day it's just a question mark I'm not even talking about it what happened if it did if it didn't and then so from there you know we end up in TJ now so they was this lady over there right okay she had a husband this is this is this is a crazy thing just let me explain for people in the UK Tiana okay but before Tiana when we were in this town right there there's this guy he's going to come up in the stories later I remember one time he got in argument with this old older dude right and then he's like he told me and my friend like hey will you guys smoke this fool you guys were you fools and we were like I was like it I don't know him I don't care it doesn't it doesn't it doesn't matter to me you know he's like I I we're going to give you this much and I'm like let's do this like I just wanted to get a lawyer and go home this that's like it's like a stupid it's like you're going to do something you don't want to do just to go back and fight a murder case and and where you come from to be at home with your mom and your dad and your homies you know I don't know it's just ridiculous to the mindset you know that that that so there was this lady so this dude right later this dude gets killed he gets he gets killed in K Lia he was coming from a rooster fight with his side chick and motorcycles ran him off the road they went down there they smoked them took the Rolex and took the the briefcase with his winnings because he won right so he's out of there and this dude when he died I don't see I don't know that I just I was told this that the DA kep they came down to get a sample of him to make sure that was him because this dude was like major this dude was he would bring the Colombians over there and all that so he that's all that's the level he was on you know but his wife was on that level too she was like a like a low-key grel de Blanco like not as big as grel de Blanco but she was a boss and and so when we were down there and all that stuff that happened she was like I got a bunch of houses in the Border you guys want one get one you guys got to take care of it so we end up in TJ in this mini Mansion right TJ's different see we were in halisco we're deep in Mexico that's like you know nari kalis we're down there you know and then mitan so we're like sort of like the middle or right before the middle of the the country so but TJ is more like La it's fastpaced even though W is a way bigger city way bigger population it it was moving slower and and and and um so we like TJ because LA's right there we could bring people we could do things money could come back fast it's here we could do this right right you know there's just like in our eyes like on some like entrepreneur you know like you know venture capitalist on the lower scheme of things like okay we could do this you know because you could be on this side and have a a house in in La easy San Diego's right there as well isn't yeah yeah yeah but you know we had to go to La cuz San Diego how you going to set up a that's San Diego San Diego owns San Diego you know that's all that's when the problems come because everything's territorial but I wasn't I was still like not knowing how how um I knew that that TJ belonged to TJ to the to to the to that family that that's always ran TJ I knew that we knew knew about them but I didn't know I didn't I I didn't grow up like that so I didn't know that my whole was gangs to me it's just gangs like this is my neighborhood don't come in my neighborhood we'll shoot you you know and and and so in a sense we came ready for Mexico we already came ready cuz we've been doing this since we were 13 14 15 already in the streets like that going through things you know and so we show up over there we're ready it's it's not it's not going to be shocking to see blood it's not going to be to hear that sound of of 30 rounds just I know that sound you know uh whatever you know yeah it's going to scare scare you or startle you whatever but we know that sound we know what it sounds like car peeling out car showing up all these things but Mexico is a different ball game like totally different ball game on a totally different level the the level violence is on another level it's just different at the end of the day death is Dea right but you know I could you know shoot a bow through your head and you're dead right and it's whoa Sean got a you know shoot a arrow he got an arrow in his head you're dead whatever and there's not many investigations of the murders is a lot of them most of them are unsolved they don't get unsolved ealon mentioned this eon's ex state police cop that was on the hunt looking for me over there they became a friend of mine later you know we're like real close friends and and um I think 95% goes on song y something like that or somewhere in the 90s so we get we get over to we get over to Tijuana house has just been abandoned for but it's it's the the water in the pools black grass is like you know waste high but it's a badass pad has a dope ass bar it's just a big ass pad and we have no furniture we have a little bit of money but we start spending it right so first thing we do I remember we went and got a like a a thing that like a pump to suck dirty water out I don't know how or where we got it we got it we cleaned out the whole pool we repainted it and then we started we paid for these they bring these like big old things of water and they fill it up and then we got it nice and clear and everything so now we're so now we're like okay this [ __ ] [ __ ] cold we got to we got to heat this mother up so we had like a $1,000 heating bill just on the pool every month in Mexico cuz we leave it heating every day for like eight hours and then we go ride the quads we go to the sand dunes over there past Rosarito in this place called camar ride ride the you know the quads and the dirt bikes all day and then come home and jump in the pool and the pool be like a Jacuzzi was like warm so we don't we don't know we're running up bills and then you know we so we started living in this house and I remember so it was three F now it's Three Fugitives that live in this house right so we start running out of money again and when you start when you start having no money this when arguments start happening everybody stops liking each other everything you do is getting on my nerves because if you have money everything you do is I'm I'm cool with it because you have money if I have money you're cool whatever no matter what right that's basically how it is so you know we we were arguing fights like like not physical but it almost went there threats like you know almost smoke your ass or something almost like borderline threats are happening I move out I move out to the guest house in the back but the guest house is big as as three bedrooms big ass living room everything's like like um the tiles like everything looks like like living the house made of rocks it's just super dope right so I remember one day the guys left and I'm there by myself playing uh Madden I forgot whatever year it was I was playing that Madden PlayStation 2 so I'm there and I remember I I kind of like I got sacked or [ __ ] happened and I hit the ground like this I'm sitting on the four plane the beds behind me I hit the ground and I'm like what the that sounded like a a a loose tile but there's carpet I start hitting and I'm like there's a loose tile right here and that house belonged to that that guy that got killed and there was a okay there's a story that he buried one of his bodyguards at that house for looking at one of his side girls so this okay this house was kind of like haunted as well too there's more stories later so when that happened I hit the time like man that would be so crazy if that's a hidden compartment so I snatch all the beds out put them in another room and I I the carpet it it looked like it was there but it wasn't there I started peeling It Off roll the whole carpet out and I take off the tile and there's a safe in the ground and I start sniffing the safe I'm like and I'm like that smells like how birds of you know what a bird when there's a full one that smell that and I'm like that smells like yay so then I text my boy and I'm like hey get over here and bring tools don't say nothing to this other dude we were hanging around shake them as a matter of fact I think I think we got some sh Financial anxiety anyone worrying about it doesn't help earnin does earn is an app that gives you access to your pay your work up to $100 per day or up to $750 per pay period just download the nnin app and verify your paycheck then access up to $100 a day as you work and 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this video if you're watching on YouTube cheers we with the sa for hours and hours until we get it open and we're like okay so we broke this now we crack it open and we're ready for like to find even one would be at this point one would be like CU in those days they were probably like I don't know because it fluctuates but it would be anywhere from 17 and up you know on that side of the Border maybe even 15 16 La maybe 21 maybe 19 maybe 20 I don't know but we're like if it's there's we're making plans as a matter of fact you know we crack it open and there's nothing but there's like there's like powder like flakes like tasting it like and it's like oh so next thing you know we start tearing up the whole house we're taking carpets off of every we're searching for everywhere right we're tearing up this house we're like man there's some in this house so we're in the kitchen right remember we're in the kitchen and there was a section where it had like oven microwave and then there was a shelf on top of it but maybe like about this big and one of my my one of my guys he just passed away he he passed away in um sentinella State Prison he was one of the fugitives right he's tall he's maybe your height maybe a little bit less than you he's like man there's some footsteps on top of this this shelf and and we're like what he just said it randomly he goes yeah there's footsteps up here why would they stand up and what he we so cuz the scene is concrete you know Mexico it's all concrete cinder block they build like many fortresses you know so he starts [ __ ] with it he pulls out the shelf and he's and he tells me rabbit jump up here boom they pick me up I go up in there and what you see I'm like f there's like cigarette butts and old Corona bottles in there there's a whole secret passage through the whole inside of the house so we're like give me the flashlight I'm going in so I go in there searching everything I'm like man there's got to be some in this pad we need it so bad right now we're so broke the money that we came from halisco with is gone we spend our lawyer money and they even give us full amounts they played us you know so we're searching through this house we find nothing nothing nothing nothing right so whatever it don't matter we you know you move forward you don't you I'm not dwelling on it but but we have it like there's something in here some something's going to fall and it's going to make us look that way and we're going to find some sh we always live with that like so then um people were coming from the US to see us right and we lived in a in a in the like the rich area behind if you know TJ you know where the casino's at I'm not that familiar with okay well there's this big Casino owned by this guy named Hank Ron who was like the the president like of of TJ you know like the US even wanted him for like so he has his Casino called Caliente they have it all through Mexico that's his that's his company and we lived behind it it's like all the big nice houses right there our neighbors were from the US counsil it the US Embassy or whatever so we're up cars were coming from LA with rims bumping so we don't know we're bringing attention to ourselves right and um so over there someone's watching all the time someone and they're reporting what they're seeing a somebody so these houses were red flag because that that guy the the guy that died that got ran off the people that ran that the city had warned them don't never come back to my city or you're dead but he still had houses there so those houses were kind of like red flag these belong to that one dude that's not allowed here so we're in one and now there's like cars coming in and out at night we'll come out in quads go buy tacos come back go up to these one Hills use the phones cuz from this hill you could see the Coronado Bridge you could see San Diego on a clear day you can see all you can see Donovan State Prison you could see you could see the line you could see everything you know and um so they were on us we don't know this they're watching us now so one day um like they rang the doorbell so the walls are high you can't see inside the house the walls are high and in the in the in the kitchen it had all these TV screens so when someone rang the doorbell all the cameras will go on so all the screens will go on I mean so and then um you know and we had a Rottweiler called Zeus and that fol bark at squirrels Birds anything you know so the things go off right and then it has a little little speaker little yeah hey what's what's going on uh who's the owner of this house oh he's not here um so can someone come out and talk to us please he look like a normal dude normal Mexican man he had some sides on him but I didn't think nothing kind of stocky but size on him you know now that I think about it he was kind of military out thick neck like you know so nobody wants to go out so I go out so I go out but he's not at the door no more he's in the car he's in a Chevy Malibu and I didn't know that in those days la like the pgr was like the that's like the Mexican FBI they Chang their name to fgr now but they would that's what they would whip those those those malib Bo right but it didn't have no sticker have nothing on it was just a unmarked car right so they call me and I walk up to the car I walk up from like here to that J right there this is the door I walk all the way over there and he's just interrogating me asking me questions who lives in this house and this I'm like man we're just renting it for the summer well who do you pay the rent to I'm like the number's right there so it was a sign on top that said for sale or for rent and it had numbers from halisco but there is bull like nobody's trying to sell that house or rent that house they just had it there for like you know like and and they're interrogating me they peel out on me they leave so 2 weeks later we're sitting in the house so sometimes we wouldn't come out see sometimes we'll come out at night to go get food and then come back in the daytime we won't be out like some when you're a fugitive sometimes you got to hide in plain sight sometimes you got to like just stay in that cave don't come out you it's like strategic you start learning the ways how to do it right and this is in the early stages so we're we're we're learning as we go so now Amber we had call for a pizza me and my my my my friend the other fugitive the tall one and my other friend had left with his cousin they had left this is the fingerprint guy so so they had left they were out there doing you know they were trying to get something going so we would we he it was cool you know we want to be want to be in the way like why are these two guys here type do you want to explain to the viewers what you meant by the fingerprint guy there's a there's a guy a friend of ours that he passed away as well this guy had his finger fingerprints surgically removed and turned inside out and solded back on on both of his hands and so and he at this time he had it so it's done when we show up he was on the second hand and um so okay so we we're waiting for the pizza right and one of our friends shows up from California he had just bought a car to auction so this car has no horn you know he just bought it at auction so he shows up and we're like hey let us borrow the car to go pick up the pizza wanted to get out cuz sometimes imagine you you got to be in this room for covid Vibes that's why when covid happened fols were stressed out I was like man I've been through this this not nothing to me you know like I've been um what was the word they were using um it's not isolated or there was a word they were using I don't know some there was a word they were using forit we might have used different words in the UK well well um we had to self isolate and all that stuff yeah well so Co was going on I was like man I went through 15 years of Co and then um so my guy is like here's the keys but it has no gas here's $20 put gas in it so and we live like in in a dead end like two dead ends like two twin dead ends and there's like a little Park in in the middle so we get in the car we come out we make a right right across the street there was a there was a Ford Explorer and when we make a I noticed there was dudes in there like four Dudes in there we make a right I look and I'm like it was a either it was binoculars or it was a big ass camera lens that's what I seen but I I I didn't want to look back cuz I just seen out the corner my I was like and my guy was driving so I'm like did you see that he's like yeah what the was that I'm like man that was a c that was a camera with a big ass lens or that those were some big ass binoculars the car comes behind us it starts following us we make turns they're they're on us and we're like oh sh we have a problem so I start calling these days there's boost Mobiles and next tailes I don't know if you remember the boo little radios like chps so I start chirping my friend call him on the boo on the Boost radio and or the next tail whatever I'm calling I'm like yo we got tail how do you know I'm like it's obvious hurry up get down here and block them off so that we could peel out and then okay we're on our way and they weren't that far they were on top of this this hill if people that know this TJ there's a radio station in this area a church up there and a radio station and and and they were the the fingerprint guy had a condo up there so they're coming down but Mexico has a lot of speed bumps a lot they put speed bumps everywhere and there's holes poth holes everywhere so it's like up down up you can't fly down the street it's nearly impossible unless you don't care about your suspension on your car so they're trying to come down they're following us they're following us my guy driving is like I'm going to punch it I'm like no just wait wait wait wait we're going we're going and then I'm I'm on like four phones you know we're calling it calling everybody like hey hey this what what this was going on and all the phones are going off I'm the I'm the at that point I'm the operator he's driving I'm the eyes behind his head what are they doing I go they're on phones too we're watching the we're both on phones they're calling for backup we're calling for backup so out of nowhere my guy punches it and when he punches it like the like lights went off in the grill you know how they have the lights in the grill those cop lights but in the grill they go off and they put the sun visors down and it said FBI FBI so my my my heart dropped like like oh this serious so I didn't know what to do I was in I I was in honestly I was in a State of Shock like I was kind of confused because I know that the FBI cannot go in Mexico like that and and the car had California plates cuz I remember my friend asked me that and I said I told him that and he's like and I'm telling him and then so now everything changed now it's a highspeed Chase going on so I call the house and I call the house and I tell my guy bring all the weapons out bring all the bulletproof EST out hurry up hurry up put everything on top of the trash cans open the garage we're going to come smashing through you come out and you bust on him while we get dressed so he's like what and I'm like hurry up we're like one minute away hurry up so so I know him he's in shock too like he's with it this this the guy I'm talking about he's proven he's he's official he's he's with the business but still it don't matter you need more information to to and and I'm giving them like a minute so we're going they're chasing us chasing us we're getting close to the house the garage door's closed so we have no choice now we're going now it's Grand aut video game it's like 4 or 5:00 we're on the sidewalk crashing into cars they don't have no horns so we can't so they're chasing us and all of a sudden um the back I'm looking this guy's driving I'm looking back and um and I and all I get down he's like what happened and I'm like cuz the guy came out the back window the passenger back window it was a like the scope on the it was a rifle right but the scope looks so big it's it's I'm like oh so I told them I told my guy we're gonna have to split up because the tip on that bullet is going to be this big it's a big ass rifle and this is not Mexico's not running around with no 30 yacht that's that's you know cowboys and Indian like Mexico has Weaponry everything you know you know that they get all this from all over the us and it goes over there like an AK is like a joke you know in these days AK was popular but now they don't got AKs you know why would you have an AK when you can have an AR15 or this other thing you know so the dudes aiming at us uh and I'm down and I'm like who let's just I'm stop the car let's just boom go because the bullet will go through that whole car hit a blow a whole piece of your body off you know there's no not science you and we know this you know we're going we're going we're going and I I said this another interview it's crazy cuz he tells me he would always tell me when we would go to the mountain to use the phones on the quads You' be like man this man I I I can't stand this man let's just turn ourselves in and I would tell him like nah I got to do but I don't know what I had to do I just would say that was my nah I got to do that was my response and you know in in TJ just like in Sonora at the borders they have a lot of money exchange houses Kasia where you change money right but most of those are owned by Cartel guys or or government people that are like they're the same thing you know it's like they're all they're like if they're not connected by business they're connected by family you know or or or some type of situation like that right so my friend he had been doing research and he was he had been doing his homework and he was getting ready to rob you know he goes look I know how when when they I watch them when they move the money when they come pick up the money when they take the dollars when they bring you know we're going to hit one of these and I'm and I remember telling them like nah I don't want to qu it cuz those things are are they're property of somebody that we're we're not we're not going to be able to um deal with it it's going to be overwhelming we're not going to be able to deal with it man D we'll take this man you know my guy was with the business too he was he was a he was a you know like certified like like a gangster you know and and you know I loved them you know I I both of them and and they're both gone now my my two fugitive Brothers you know they were totally different one was real quiet and serious the other one was wild good driver too you know and then he's like that we're going to give up and then the same time I'm on the phone all the phones are going off where you at where you at I'm like I'm behind the casino Casino has a big parking lot like not as big as Dodger Stadium but it's a big ass parking lot so we pull up somewhere like behind it right he pulls over they pull up they don't move in on us they stay behind and they jump about all tactical you know the us would have been like okay driver with your left hand take the keys out throw them out open your door with the right hand lay on the floor nah these fools were like putting One in the Chamber getting ready moving moving like circling us like they're ready for it you know and then we're like we're kind of like I'm ready to I had the door open remember I said those kids they pulled up with the door open when in the chase at this point I have my door open cuz I'm going to jump out of the car my guy wants to turn himself in I'm like I got to do and um and so you know I was scared I'm sure he was scared or just the adrenaline again survival you know instin kicks in so you're just trying to survive you're trying to make it another 60 seconds you don't you know nothing's promised at that point so if you know these back then these these money exchange houses they would have like arm it would be like a armed uh uh Municipal Police armed federal or or armed state in the front like protecting them you know and and I'm not sure see whoever watches this they know this corner that I'm talking about because I've said it before they would know if it was a bank a small Bank CU it's a restaurant now I was pass to there when I go there when I go back to Mexico now now it's a restaurant or some yoga something on the roof it's different now you know but I don't know if it was a money exchange or a bank but when that happened he looks and they're already coming with guns so he points the gun at them and he's like put your weapons down and they're showing badges you put your weapon down and he's like no I call him for backup hey and he I I heard it I heard him say something like instead of attempted bank robbery or attempted robbery of the place put him down no you put him down when that happened I remember I put my foot over the gear thing I pulled the gear put it in drive and I punched the gas and my guy's like what are you doing like do a U-turn we did a u-turn he almost ran one over we crashed like five six cars in that U-turn boom boom bo bo boom we hit every car and we and and now the helicopter's coming now we seen like seven 5 six seven cop cars coming down our way but we're going up now now they're going towards there we go to make a long story short we got away keep it long keep belong yeah okay so we're we're we're Grand the auto crashing cars out of the way trying to make it boom we get in a car accident but we make it out still the car is running I knew all these back roads to get back up to the hills and we we we dumped the car in some condominium complex right and we blocked it with a trash can we tried to cover it with some branches from a tree you know like and and so so um and then we ran up to finger Prince mom's condos were like the next complex is like a block up so we ran to her house and she's FR she sees that I'm frantic and my my guy's just like and I'm doing all the Talking what happened what happened I'm like I don't know the FBI was chasing us because I seen oh I I missed a spot when the chase started right after the FBI thing I seen them put on bulletproof s and when they put on the bulletproof as it said pgr so I was confused everything I'm everything that's happening I'm reporting it I'm like hey the [ __ ] says FBI in the in the sun visor what and I'm like there can't be no FBI driving around in Mexico I remember my friend telling me this right and I'm like it got California plates he's like that's not the FBI and then and then later as I when I seen them when to put the bulletproof I'm like fol they're putting out bulletproof said pgr LA and then um so we get away dump the car we run to her house and she's like calm down calm down but I never been in a situation like this so I'm like losing my mind she's here drink some water dud calm down calm I couldn't like my I was just like like so much adrenaline is running through my body I'm just like sit down I'm like no I can't sit down I'm pacing back and forth she had a little living room cuz small little condo so I'm like and I'm waiting for my other guys to show up so they show up and I remember he's like what happened and I'm like was the FBI and he's like f don't say that word sh someone could be hearing you know and I'm like and I just explained it and the fingerprint guys like man they were going to kidnap you guys that wasn't the cops those were fake cops they came to kidnap you guys so so we go to his condo right we end up he pulls up in the the X5 you know we're laying down we go to his condo we're chilling there we go over the story we break down the story over and over and over and what he look like and and what and you know they're asking me all the details and and it was fresh so I'm remembering everything you know fresh right now it's kind of like forgetting then I'm coming back but right there I I just I was describing them like what they look like and everything and then I remember they were the guys that came to the house two weeks ago and asked who lived in this house I right it all came together right so we're at his condo up to like 1000 p.m. and he was a businessman you know he's like hey I got some meetings in the morning I got to go to bed U what are you guys going to do so we don't have a car he's like here I'm going to give you this car he he gave us a car this car comes into the into play later this car had an electronic stash boxes they would just use it to transport money so so so we go back to the house we're back at this house right and now we're bulletproof V is on we're strapped up assault rifle uh you know a handgun Clips bullets like we we're just ready to go right but but we're all pacing everybody just pacing back and forth like you know going through and I remember there was I had a friend of mine that she would always go to Chicago she would drive for some other guys to Chicago but she was on on a lot of medication psych meds and all kinds of so when she would go everything that wasn't in the little in the little um what do you call them the little containers little you know little bottles of whatever she would have to leave those pills there she could only take the ones that were in that were for that bottle so in case they got stopped nothing was out of the ordinary like why the you have these extra green pills or whatever the and this container only has white pills so I remember I would go to this drawer and I was popping these pills I don't know what they were Pros Z Thorazine I don't know what the they were and then I would roll up like like a fat ass joint I'd hit it then I strip down jump in the pool I come out and I couldn't stop I was just I could I was just so I don't know if I was nervous scared anxiety like a mixture of everything you know because I know in a little bit we're probably going to die and it's going to be a shootout and you know it's and we got we got weapons and we're going to give it to them and they're going to give it back to us and if they're the government of course they're going to have more and we're going to lose and we're in the dead end there's only one way out that way I mean we could have jumped over the back house but we how far we would have I think about it right now the ways laid out we wouldn't got that far you know we wouldn't have because behind that okay there's a there's behind the casino there's a private area where like the riches the governors and everybody lives it's called puer and TJ whoever's watching this Google this like cartel bosses Liv in there when you come in when you come into it it's on the street where our high speed chase started it's called puerro so the mansion that the mini Mansion we're staying at was on the outside of it but if we jumped over to the back we would be inside of there what if we jumped behind a Governor's pad or a a high ranking police officer or a cartel member or I don't know something you know I don't know it wouldn't have worked it would have been a big drop too and then um so I remember my guy right the the the tall one we're going to call him stretch because that's what I used to call him stretch stretch calls his sister right and and and in this time like we're doing bad right I just seen her at his funeral the other day and um and we're doing so bad she was doing this credit this um check fraud so these dudes were making checks they'll get like a $3,000 check that's my phone but um they were getting these these these checks and somehow they would erase it and turn 3,000 into 30,000 and she was just hitting all Southern California so for for every um that's what she would get I think whatever 10% off of every checks or or something like that she was cashing the checks so she was hitting all Southern California so basically she was supporting us she was paying our our crazy water water bill for the swimming pool she'll bring us like $800 worth of groceries all the time she'll bring us a bunch of chips for the for the the Boost throwaway phones you change the chips like every when as soon as you had to you know you feel it like got to get rid of these phones new new phones and so she does all this right she was looking out for us so he stretch calls his sister right and he tells her hey go to West Cina to the witch's house so she drives over to from wherever in La she was staying at she went to West Cina another city in LA to a witch's house so now we got the witch on speaker and she's like I don't know what she's doing she's doing terot cards whatever she's doing some [ __ ] so I tell her I'm I tell her I'm like hey I just want to know are they good or they bad I want to know if they're cops or criminals so I'm like some buenos oros I tell her that right and she goes buenos they're cops but they're bad and I and what's going to happen she said she said in Spanish she said they're going to wait till you guys will get tired and they're to come over the wall and kill you guys so we're like what the here I go back to the swimming pool smoke won't take more pills I'm tripping out on this right so I'm like I'm like okay all right so and then she tells me I remember she tells me um she tells me uh Mi she's uh look I'm going describe the way your house looks but on the other side like when the where the driveway is at where the garage door is at on the other side there's a gas meter there's a square it's about this high off the ground and you could see outside to the street and we're like we're all hearing her like what the this [ __ ] is good she knows her sh you know she's a she's she could see through dimensions and portals I don't know what the right but but she was so on it that every time she was on it she was scaring us or or just like making us um no that's that's that's cool here you go there you go want some M good yeah yeah yeah well you drink that I'll just say to the viewers check out koo's links in the description box below this video if you're watching it on YouTube support his work we're an hour in and this is just it's gets crazy gets crazy I've heard it before and I'm I'm just as gripped as the first even though I'm more gripped cuz he's giving more detail so yeah brilliant let's keep going so this is and uh let me remind you this is only like year two of me being a fugitive I still got another 13 years to go you know oh yeah this is year two I'm thinking and um so she tells me go out there she goes duck down and then look out and you're going to see a gray Ford F-150 truck out there with Ted windows and I go and there there was one parked out there so we're losing it I come back I tell the guys they're like it's right there and so stretch he's hotheaded he's wild he's like man this let's just go at it with him now let's just end this [ __ ] now so we open up the garage and we move out we like two of us flank to the left right and uh one up the middle so we move in on the truck and I com in close and right before we're about to let off on the truck I see that there's no one in there so I'm like stop stop stop hold up hold up hold up hold up and you again our neighbors the US Embassy these dudes these dudes where I was partying with like prostitutes and [ __ ] partying with chicks that was in we could hear them there that wall where that Jacuzzi was like right next to our wall so we could hear all these chicks laughing and clowning and we could hear bottles and all a lot of party you know so so right when that happens we're like oh let's let's like reverse back quietly into the house put the thing down and now it's like okay now let's go back in the pool now I'm like man so we huddled up and we're like it this is this is our plan when they come over the wall we're going to we're going to you know we're going to like be on them when they come down we're going to be like look we just need want a job we want to work for you guys we don't have anything we're not making no money we're actually we're struggling we want a job give us a job that was our that's what we thought we're going to do that was our plan you know so then the next day in the morning so okay so my guy the one that came with the car that that started the Ice speed chase he leaves in the car that they let us borrow he leaves so we have no car so in the morning someone shows up and this person takes us to no they bring us a car and we load up all the guns all bulletproof vestes ammo everything in a carpet like this and it looked like we put a body in the trunk it was like and it was you know was fat cuz it was a lot of stuff you know and we go to Rosarito and then we get a hotel this hotel is everybody knows this hotel it's called kintar and it has like a little bar in like in the bottom part of it so we go up to the room and we're back to no one's talking to each other cuz cuz we weren't getting along before this highspeed Chase remember we were everybody was bumping heads and and we're just in the hotel room and um everybody's like in a one corner but there's three of us but no one's talking everybody's just quiet TV's on we're just like so I remember I was like man you know what I need a beer it's too much in my head I was like I'm just going to turn myself in this is this is too much I can't handle it you know I go to the barn I get my beer and I'm thinking like how can I how could I get to the Border how what would I do how get this is too much you know and then my two boys come down and they're like they're like if you want to let's just go to Papas and Beer and get up and we in the middle of all this we go to a club in Rosarito Beach and we start drinking beer and a screwdriver which is what orange vodka and orange juice right so it's like we throw back the screwdriver and then have a beer before you know it we're drunk before you know it I blacked out I'm on the main Boulevard in Rosarito throwing up on the side of a wall then they had these old school taxis they're like long station wagons and if you get the back seat you're in the back looking that way while the car is going this way you know so we're there it takes us back to the hotel my boy up and gives him $200 for like a short little ride he's just we're so drunk we wake up in the morning and we all I I I feel like I was my spot was the bathroom I threw up all over the bathroom the the bathtub the I missed the toilet I threw up everywhere I wake up I feel like these fols threw up on the bed on the carpet the whole room's full of throw up and they're knocking now it's time to check out so we don't have nowhere to go so we're like we get a taxi We Roll Up the guns again the taxi guys like hey that is everything cool cuz he's like seen us put this he thinks we're putting a dead body in the trunk of his car you know and we have nowhere to go so we go back to the house so we come back to the house and now we're back we're strapped up again and we're just in the kitchen just staring at the cameras at all the TV screens from the cameras just all you know how they move and then so we're just no one's talking it's just quiet and we're just looking at the F oh and by now you know what happened they cut off our gas they cut off because we didn't pay it so we have no gas next was going to be the electricity so we can't even cook we're on some microwave at this point so so um we're right there right and then my guy the one with the car he comes to pick up the car cuz it's still up there where we left it so he comes and gets the car to cross back over so my guy stretched he didn't have no tattoos and he looked just like his brother so and and in these days when you cross the border now they got to slide your passport and these days you could cross with ID they look at it ask you a little quick question and you could just go over the Border this is 2003 2004 maybe at the latest 2004 but then it's like 2003 and then um or who knows we would have to check when he got busted is he he's going to go to jail now coming up so he comes to get the car right and then and then stretches like you know what I'm going go back with him and I remember he took an order for us he's like okay what are you going to want so we were like you know give me some brand new Air Force Ones I need a pack of white shirts some muscle shirts and um I'm going you know just things that we needed you know cuz we would do that if someone's in a go to somewhere where you going to get it so you take even though we're not talking he's taking everybody's order what are you going to want I'm going to get this get this get this bring some weight protein back and some like that right and then remember he's like he tells me he's like don't worry I just want to his sister got busted the one that was cashing the check she went to the feds for that I forgot how much she did um she gets busted so he goes I want to go to La and see what's going on with my sister I'll be back in a few days and he goes in his little he he had something like cut out he has some jean shorts and um he goes in the little pocket and he pulls out and he gives me 200 I don't it was $200 yeah it was 200 maybe one maybe two maybe three but I'm sure it was 200 he gives it to me and he's like I'll be back and then he leaves so now me and the other guy my other codefendant we talked more me and him I mean I you know what they were hating each other at this point they were more at War I was like the I was the moral compass of the group I was the mediator you know and um and you know so me and him we're like but what are we going to do man we didn't know what to do we're just looking at the cameras we're it's like if we're high on drugs that's how paranoid we are hey do you know what that sound means ooh that's something I've been hearing a lot 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tells me in Spanish and he says the cold word for the feds so what happened when they reported the car they it was the pgr and the FBI was with him you know they were with him so it was them right so he's you hear like a scuffle so they're so when he was crossing the border like like whatever you know how when you get to the border at one point you're in the US once you pass that little those those little like speed bumps on the ground even though there's 10 15 10 15 cars before you cross you're already in the US so once they got in there I guess I guess the plates were reported something they pushed that button and the F just came out and you know home I there wasn't no Homeland Security back then it was just what uh da FBI all that no no no at the border is it's uh border patrol yeah border patrol uh they had a different name back then now they're like Homeland Security or some [ __ ] I don't know so whatever and the FBI they rushed the car so they're wrestling with him and he's giving me the heads up like get out of the house get out of the house so those fails that's what they call the feds the ugly ones the fails you know ice was it ice back then nah ice wasn't around yet right now it's homeless security and Ice yeah before it was just IM US immigration some [ __ ] whatever but with the feds they raided the car right they rushed the car and then it stopped and we heard that and we're like because it sounded like it sounded loud so so then um it go it goes off again like a like 30 seconds later and he's like get out get out get out and we're like what the so we're tripping so nothing one minute 2 minute 3 minute I chirp it it's like like a walkie-talkie so I'm like and it went through and then um I don't know if they said who is this but I was like hey hey hey I was like trying to change my voice hey hey hey and then I think I said who is hey hey who's this who's this something like that and then I heard a female voice said you know who this is you stupid mother and she was a fed my guy told me that later she said you know who this is you stupid [ __ ] as soon as she said that I took the chip off the phone I broke the chip threw the phone away and we're like man we got to get the out of here but we had the only thing we had was quads a raptor and a Banshee to get out of there you know so we couldn't we couldn't go nowhere and then we had a gang of weapons so how are we going to transport these weapons on quads you know so we stayed up all night waiting for them to come so we're just like it's kind of it was kind of sad cuz it's almost like we were telling each other goodbye without saying goodbye we'll look at each other other like and just say some [ __ ] okay and and and so we waited all night we waited all night and then there's more parts and details these little details but I'm not going to put them in because it has to do with family members of of both my friends but it was cold blooded with what how they they they got the cold shoulder immediately when this happened to us it was like them and everybody that so it it was just cold what happened and we were in a in a in a position we couldn't do nothing but like just be like oh what the have I got myself into and um so then the next day in the morning around 7 a.m. we look in the cameras and it's fingerprints mom she had she had a black Denali so Boom the D we Buzz her in garage comes in she comes in she's like you guys got like one or two minutes five minutes I forgot what what the minute the mount we're leaving now get your toothbrush get some basic we're out of here so that's what we did I got a backpack with like two pairs of boxers like some socks an extra pair of socks like the basics and the toothbrush no we take no guns no nothing we jump in the car with her and we start she don't there's no talking she's not talking to us nothing and we're just quiet she takes us to the east side of TJ and then I remember she pulls up to this to this crackhead motel it's it looks nice now but it's probably up on the inside because I see it a lot now and it was called pariso Paradise so we pull up to this to this motel and then she just she tells she doesn't tell me she tells her nephew you know go with God like in Spanish and we get out like get off she don't say get off but it's like may God protect you guys go with God you know may he protect you or some [ __ ] and we're like oh so we're in the front of this motel and there's like crackheads and prostitutes it's just me it's like one of those you know so we walk up to the to the front lobby and I was like hey I need a room and it was cheap it was like 300 pesos a night which is like $15 or something and then um you know we go up in there and it's one of those motel that smells likeing cigarette it's nasty two channels on the TV work the news and the porno channel it's nasty the the the walkways it was a three story one so the walkways have carpet so you could imagine what that carpet smells like and then so you know we had a little bit of money I had the 200 bucks he had a little bit so it was enough to eat a cou of noodle soup three times a day and pay for another night at a time so we're paying like by day another night another night we'll switch the room move it like just to like that we we thought that was like strategy like we're going to move rooms tonight so if they raate they rate that other room but but you know so but we had our phones so we were making a we we kind of got over hating like being mad at each other because in reality we had a lot of love for each other you know all of us all three of us we we were good friends we were all hanging out together in LA but just the our situation put a strain on a relationship you know and it and it and it like you start getting grouchy you know and so we put our we put our minds together and we pulled you know how can I say this without remember remember I I had told you something about you could be in TJ and have a crack house in La yes well something like that was going on I was like bring me that I need all that I need all that anything that's over there I need it and then we we we started collecting the money money so we stayed there like a month and a half so we were so scared at the in the lobby well it's not even the lobby it looked like a pawn shop it was just all secure but you could buy a coup of noodles and a coke there so for breakfast we would share a couple noodles me and him a little cup of noodle we share it me and him and a coke that was breakfast for lunch we share another one they didn't sell chips they didn't have nothing so we're eating a shrimp one then we'll switch to a chicken one then we'll get a chili one you know the different flavors a day three a three a day and and and I remember once we collected some money we could have got food but we're scared to leave so after like I think it was like a month I was like man this I'm gonna go get some tacos fo you are yeah I'm G just go out I'm just so I'm and there was a lot of Taco Taco spots right but then I waved I I waved on a taxi and I went all the way to McDonald's and I bought a gag of Donald's I came back with bags and I bought tacos so it it it was I remember this day like clearly like we were like um you know cuz it was like bad bed right and we're sitting there and he when he seen me come in with all the bags of McDonald's not that McDonald's is Gourmet or anything but he he he sees this he gets happy and I always remember that he gets happy like yeah you shot that you did it like big Maxs and Quarter Pounders and all this sh and big gulp soda and I come in with all this right and Tacos he's like oh you did a good thing F man cuz I know how I he was just like me in in a way you know like we're tired of eating couple noodle soups you know what I'm saying three times a day with a Coke gross and and you know and like about two weeks later we rented a house we end up ring a house right we found this it was a f it was like in the hood right on the outside it look ugly but on the inside whoever made this house you could tell they were making money cuz they had all dope ass hardwood floors on the outside look ugly twostory house dirty and like that but once you went in all hardwood floors a Jacuzzi bathtub it was pretty dope you know so we're like and I remember that first day we got it well we haven't slept on top of we haven't been sleeping for being a fugitive we haven't slept from almost getting caught right and then um so we bought these little mats maybe as thick as this N Hell not thicker like a jail mat somewhere they were selling these little mats they were like sort of like little jail mats like you know the ones you have in there where you sleep on let yoga M yeah it's like some like this yeah and we bought too no furniture he's in one room I'm in another room we threw it fell asleep for like a day straight and then from there we started like again you know the entrepreneur okay we have a vehicle that has a secret compartment we know some people we have a little bit of money if we invest it and we lose and doesn't go the way we plan we lose everything we're Beyond back to point zero you know and it worked and boom that bring a little bit of relief and then we tried it again and it worked and it worked and it worked you know and so that like that started making things cool again like ah go buy some shoes or just the minimal things I want to buy some shirts and and you know we got we start getting furniture and then I'm going go buy some PlayStation games cuz that we played a lot of PlayStation when you're a fugitive you play a lot of PlayStation there's a lot of time for that you know so and then um then like you know like like it was up cuz we had a lot of like our that Journey was a lot of ups and downs a lot of sad moments where it was just like hopelessness a lot of hopelessness you know a lot of um like just a lot of like H just like like like the struggle was just like this just hardship struggle because yeah whatever you don't have no money that's cool there's nothing wrong with being poor there's nothing wrong with that but there's a bigger problem right here we're wanted for murder in the United States and and and The Mexican government and the US government is looking for us so that's the that's the real issue under underlining everything so having no money yeah whatever you know it's cool but but having no money when you're a fugitive is the worst [ __ ] you need money to be a fugitive all the fugitives there's going to be I know there's going to be a lot of fugitives watching this and they know this because they've reached out to me and they've reached out to my lawyers after I everything they want to come home you know I gave them hope them Faith you know that it you know who knows and um you need money to be a fugitive without money it's going to be very hard because you need money to move you got to keep moving if you have to move you got to keep moving sometimes you don't have to keep moving you got to hide in PL side and or this or this or that and so at this point are you worried about those guys coming back who tried to kidnap me nah cuz we're on the whole other side of TJ they could have but but again we're learning as we go and and and now my guy calls from the county jail to a burner phone we had right the stretch he calls me right well we calls both of us and we're talking to him and he's just like I'm like what happened fool and he tells me he's like man they they were asking for the Filipino one they they had pictures so they took pictures that think that was a camera they're like they when they got him they told him where's your Filipino friend they thought I was Filipino you know so they weren't clear pictures or if they would have been clear they would have been on it because they would have been like wait a minute this guy's a bigger catch than these guys even though because just just because of like the not that I'm I'm a criminal mastermind whatever you know Monster but just because of the music and who I was it it was bigger we were on at that point we had we okay I didn't I I missed this part when we were still in halisco we appeared on Fox 11 Los Angeles Most Wanted with Chris Blackford he did a whole peace on us and man I remember when that happened right so now I'm going back I'm G just go back because I missed this I remember one night the the night it aired I didn't know so I I put a phone line in this house we we had a we had a house in halisco where I was staying at right I put a phone line in there and and and I think two three people at most had this number from the US but they were told you have to go to payones far away inside malls inside somewhere if you're going to call this number do not call and they knew and they would so so that night it was remember it was like raining and thundering or something like that I'm trying to think because I know when it rains over there there's a whole season where it gets crazy in halisco like almost like monsoons from Arizona something like that you know rains hard but it's humid and it's like you know that type well whatever the phone's ringing and the phone is downstairs but Mexico it's like scary scary VI so you think oh that was going to be down there I ain't going down there till the sun comes up you know it's like that like lot of superstitious you know so the phone's ringing and ringing and ringing and ringing and ringing and and I'm like man it's something let me go get the mother cuz it'll ring like 15 times and it'll stop then it'll start again so I'm like man I'm goingon to go get it I get it and they're like oh you just you just came out on LA's Most Wanted Someone told me later we were on a America most want it I never seen it but I was told this later years later because you know they couldn't so they go to America food and they can't catch on they go to so I'm like what so that next day I'm all up I'm dizzy I'm lightheaded I'm nauseous I want to throw up it's real you know you just came out on Ellie's Most Wanted it's real and then I remember then I got a video VHS tape of it sent to me and I will sit there and watch it over and over and over for hours analyzing it like analyzing what he okay if he said this what does he really mean by that and then okay right here they're exaggerating but then I remember I focused then on the on the pictures right there was a picture of me a picture of my my friend Cod offender not stretch stretch was he had his own different murder case and on my picture they had a number in the bottom that said FBI with a number on it like some kind of number on it that it Wasing with me and my head you know like like ah man you know I'm I'm you know it's more serious with me just because of the music it's like it's more like you know the new Sensational it's like if you got in trouble right now Sean Atwood podcast guy just killed his neighbor for over a parking spot or whatever you know sources say that before he killed them he slapped them 10 times or some you know pistol whipped them and then something whatever right so I would watch that video and it would just I was addicted to it but it would make me every time I watch it would make me sick it just like it me up so fast forward we're back in these times we have that tape we always watch it we're always watching it always watching it always watching it so we had a third codefendant third codefendant gets caught right away he's kind of like the one that gave us the heads up like hey they already have him and he makes a call and he uses code names and he's like they want this guy they want to talk to him and him we're like ah time to go that's how we that's how we you know we knew and then um so we had we got a hold of his paperwork so we're all in the paperwork so we started reading we're like oh man they're lying and they were all like everybody was like lying on me like I'm like that didn't even happen because I remember like when the shots went off the one shot went off one shot went off I got out of there get in my truck and I leave and a lot of shots went off in that process but this person is saying that she looked out the window and that I was over the body and I'm like what the I'm like that's bad it because if you seen it You' be like oh and then look at me you're like oh he's guilty you're not caring if you know like someone people judge you real quick you know so and there was a lot of statements in it but at the same time there was statements that were like telling the truth and were like nah and then there was a part in it where the detectives were trying to like coher the witness right and then so but this this paperwork was when he went to preliminary cuz he got released at prelim he was there for like a year goes to prelim and they release him so that paperwork I remember it would had some like it said something like they're like interviewing some girl and she's like so so you so you're saying that Kono didn't she's like hell no I'm not saying that I didn't even see him I didn't even see him there yeah but you said this I uhuh you said that I this girl whoever she is she was smart you know and she wasn't intimidated by them because they were using if you read it you could see and I'm sure like you know my case you now that it's over with it's public record you could buy it online for $15 you know you could buy this and I don't know if all this is going to be in there because she didn't go to my prelim I never even went to prelim I got but we'll get to that so we're in TJ looking brighter we're starting to get happy start going to all the fights I remember always going to see fights in Mexico like every like these like in these days it was U Morales was still fighting this is when boxing was a still so Morales fought barera I remember we went to go see that fight that was one of our first fights we went I we're like me and my my guy were like hey I told him like man let's go see the fights all right cool let's go we went to a little uh pool hall and watch the fights and and you know he's always a gambl man so he' be like you want a bet and I'm like f i don't I don't care about that but if I'll go for TJ and you go for I'll go for uh what's his name uh Eric Morales ter I'll go for him and whatever you know and we would start going out and then later um later we you know we start we purchased our own houses and just got a little bit better you know it you know now years are passing so now we're like getting adapted to our environment for reals now we're in there you asked me if I partied yeah I partied there was times where I'll party from like Thursday to Sunday party party party and then like Monday we like snap back out of it and and and I got cool memories I remember um I remember this one New Year's cuz he passed away you know and like sometimes I for I don't never forget about him but like I think about the these things these like and I remember this one new years's right he had bought his house his house was bigger than mine he would always do it up bigger so I'm I'm at his house right and um and we're just there and we're just he had the big jug of Hennessy the big one so we're right there drinking Hennessy and we just we're doing yay yay yay and we're just like high ass just singing songs by losan ATU and and he loved Tupac so we're just hearing Tupac and tues and we're just like you know back to back back to back back to back and and and you know who whoever's watching this like how can that be a beautiful man but it is because he's no longer with me you know and and that was like whatever we were high but it was a beautiful moment cuz we we hung out together and we're we didn't care we're singing songs and and you know and you know at that point we're reminiscing of all we've been through up to that point like this this and that right so then time passes what else happens You' got your own house at this point are you living is anyone living with you nah I have a like a like I live in a gated community we both live in a gated community gated streets and um you know we still miss La though we still want to go home and it was CRA he always used to tell me he's like hey rabbit this is home and I'll be like no this is not home but but with time I Started Loving TJ like I that's like my second home I was people ask me I'm like nah that's my second home like that's where I found my voice and that's another thing I had stop recording you know I I did music so when this happens it's like I can't do music anymore you know CU that's going to like it's going to leave a pay Patrol right toward to me you know so that that BR depression and all this like a so when we're in TJ I meet up with this dude from Mexico City that we were friends AOL days he was a rapper from Mexico City relocated to TJ we were in this swap me that's underground called ainu go up to this one thing where they sell hip-hop things and gang member clothes Dickies and Ben Davis and Sh like that they link me up with the dude I call him I go to he tells me to pull up to the studio I go to the [Music] studio and um and he's like man you down to do a song with me I'm like I'll do a verse for you or what could be the harm you know and then I do this verse and then then I'm like I want to record again I want to start recording again start going through Yellow Pages start calling Studios and this is like you know D dancers at this one studio right it's in Playas at Tijuana right on the by by the beach he had a weird accent Spanish accent so I told hey where you from from South America he goes Yeah Yeah from Chile I'm like all right do you guys have Protools he goes yeah you got nyans and sennheisers I need like some a real mic yeah yeah we got a whole closet of everything you know so I'm like can I go check it out yeah yeah you can come down I look it's it looks like this it was like nice in Mexico a real Studio like this recording studio so that started and then it it became a more of a thing of like I want to document all this because you know tomorrow tomorrow's Never Promised You know and and you know some people some water some people might like you know I don't know I just going I just going through the you know through the motions and Sh whether it was ride or it was wrong I I was just trying to survive you know and and so so okay so we're living at the houses right and then we're meeting new people all the all these things are going on more more things and we're getting into more stuff and and there's the cities at War you know and and we're not involved in it look this is another thing I cuz there's like a little misconception that that I belong to a cartel and I didn't I know cartel people you going you're going to meet them over there over there you might meet a dude and he's a cop and he's like hold on my compad is coming over and this compad is a is part of the cartel and then his Compadre is the main da and then so you meet people over there you know and and and and you do things while you're in this journey but but I never like you know know look a cartel it's like so a businessman first of all I I wouldn't even I would have to be on a level you're making money to be considered part of that anyways my level would be would be that this and yeah I was asked to be this you know but but you know I was I stayed on the sidelines I always stayed on the sidelines you know I I just I stayed out of it because like deep down inside I wanted to come home even though I started liking the city liking where I was at I was adapting to it I wanted to go home you know at some point I I don't know if I had Faith or hope even when I didn't have faith or hope but like you know I didn't want to get in deeper I was already in some I was already in trouble basically why make it worse and and I did make it there was times when I did make it worse you know but but I didn't I didn't um I don't know I we were doing don't get me wrong and if you with what I was doing you were going to get it that's anybody though over there you know over over there life is cheap it has no value so you around over there you you're going someone's going to give it to you there's no you know there's no you you can't play with it like that so yeah I just wanted to uh clear that up that I wasn't from this or that I met dudes from this one this one this one and that one they're cool people some are dick some are you know some it's just their people you meet these people you know and and or you meet people that are with these people and that's how you you you you get around all of them you know but you don't and and and when I got there it w it wasn't like how it is right now right now it's it's it it it evolved into some other [ __ ] now you know when I got there there was just the main ones you know like the the the TJ had their people right there and then down down a couple States those people were doing their [ __ ] on the other side of Mexico on the that corner over there the golf people were over there hes had their people you know there wasn't that many but then they now there's a bunch of them like a bunch of them you know so like like as I said and I met dudes that were from one and then got into another one and then didn't work out when they went to another one and there's a lot of that there's not not it's a business it's not really like oh I'm being loyal or you're unloyal it's more like it doesn't make sense over here anymore let me go over here and make money with these guys and so again I I I never was like from a particular you know yeah I had I I was in different little Crews of of like-minded individuals that were on survival mode trying to eat but that's who's not going to do that you know you're in if you're in hell what like what what are you going to do you know you you're going to have to play with the fire a little bit you know regardless of how much you want to play with it but you want to play with it a little bit you know and then you asked me earlier did I know anybody from Logan I did I have I have real good friends from Logan I have three good friends from Logan and um and and in this time I remember um see so now let me see cuz right when I met them what had happened something had happened just explain to the viewers then in the UK especially cuz in the UK many people have not been to Mexico so perhaps they've seen narcos or some other dramatization of the Logan crew going down working for the cartel and the gunfights and all that stuff so that's what like UK viewers have probably seen well by this time when I'm over there that already happened yeah that's that's not that's not happening I mean they're there you know and and they are who they are and they have a lot of Legends you know from from from the Logan the Logan Heights area they have a lot of like like you know famous people and they made their Mark in the city you know for sure they did you know and but but like like I was saying like like I I didn't know them you know I didn't know them at all so later later I meet this one guy right he's the one that told me to come to your podcast to link up you yeah shout out to the homie and then um so I I meet him right and he was just he had just came from the feds and the state prison and he was there with my with my Cod defendant's dad that's been down 40 years now the lifer too so I meet him and he tells me what you call it says to look out for his boy I'm like man his boy's a master mind he don't even know looking up for and then um and then they were they were close and then he goes okay so then you must be he put it together CU I would never tell nobody I'm kjo nobody I would never a lot of people they still call me angel because that was one of my first IDs was Angel so a lot of people over there still call me angel unle and um you know and then he invited me to the sweat lodge with them and then I started sweating with them and I start them you know because they were all they all three of them had did over a decade one that the other guy did two decades over two decades so I you know I could trust them and they they were just cool people you know I could them and we're on some spiritual going in these sweat lodges and it would take the stress off you know because I was under a bunch of stress and you know get my mind off of things you know so right before that right before that some sh happened so what had happened was um okay another thing happened so just just the backrack then you're in your house now you got your own house in negated Community yes you've gone back to doing music everything's going good good so I mean it goes good and bad you know it there's no way it's going to stay good okay cuz there's just too much there's too many the the dynamic of the city is just there's too much there's just too much going on so what happ's next okay so I end up I end up having a daughter my daughter was born in the US right so then after the mom comes back with my daughter when she's like three three months old three or four months old we didn't get along so since I was more stable she's like I'm out here's your daughter you take care of her and I'm like what the fugitive how M raise a little girl but I did and um and and that that was like a turning point right there for me too you know cuz it it was like it like made me step back from stuff but I still have problems there was a lot of people didn't like me and they if they got the chance they were going to get at me with or without a baby in the way so I just have to be very careful now because now I have a little girl you know it made it more even more tougher because she's a little girl you know little girl love you in a different way so you know and then so it happened I wonder if it happened right here yeah it did so what happened okay there was this dude right that we used to with over there I'm going rewind a little bit back so we met my my guy knew him my guy knew him from prison so we end up linking up with this dude right so then everything was cool one day I went to the studio that was like on the fifth floor of these like apartments right and over there we would carry like four or five cell phones everybody so like I had a phone just to talk to Sean I had a phone just to talk to Omar want to talk to the homie parallax over there right and then so I left some of them in the car and I just took up the ones some ones I needed I was up there and I had my daughter with me so all day they were blowing me up but I didn't know cuz I didn't come down I was up there so this dude I don't know where he came with this but he was saying that that I was in the that someone told him that I was already in the LA County jail and that I was telling on my on my on my guy and that and that if I I wasn't I need to get I need to get done so when I get to the car I see it tons of Miss calls I started driving back towards the house the studio was also in Playas I started driving towards back over there towards the casino and um my guy called me so when he called me I picked so when he called that meant he was around the corner get ready to buzz the gate open you know we just did it like that so he calls and he and my cendant and I'm like I'm almost there are you already right there he's like nah nah nah Bo you haven't answered I'm like yeah I was up there I was up there on top that's why I I didn't take all the phones but it was kind of weird cuz the other guy already had planted that seed of mistrust so I'm like and me I'm not stupid you know I'm like ah something's up then they sent a dude to my house to check up on me as I'm I I'm getting off getting off my daughter you know I'm putting everything in the house and he starts and this guy he was he was like he was on my level like he he he was like a go for go get this go for this go for that but kind of under me and he's asking me like questions and I'm like and I him I talk to him like he ain't like what shut like I just talked to him like so I don't know this but I'm already on the hit list so I put it together once it was all once that happened I was like ah sh damn so I'm waiting for it so I I I got these things ready but I I I it's just it's bad all the way around there there's you not I don't know if I could win cuz sometimes when those people you got problems with those people they send the government in because the government works with them so they'll send in the federal police get that fool out or kill them or bring them to us and then you know so it didn't happen so one day two day my guy shows up and I'm pissed and I tell him like man fool that hurt my feelings fool like why he goes why you didn't shut it down he goes I did shut it down I'm the one to shut it down I go why you even let it go he goes that fo pumped that up and he pumped it up to to like a boss that's why it it snowballed real quick but I'm the one that killed everything I'm like that dude I'm nevering with that dude again so forgot about that dude right now we're going to forward maybe like three years ahead cuz my daughter's like three now so this dude I talk about this on my podcast and I don't say no names because I don't want to do that you know u i for those that don't know I have a podcast on Spotify it's called inside of sinister mind so this do okay so this what happens I go to church on Sunday right because I just thought it was a cool thing take my daughter to church so I would take her to this Christian church but I would do my business from there because it was so much I could hide in I'd be texting my ass off doing everything from there right and then I had made some friends you know and then they they want they you know like Christians they do this little baptism but this this church was online so I was always like in the cut they would like film everybody was they would stream it live so these people they're like they're doing like the little Christian version of a baptism and I was like can you guys baptize my daughter I can't be on there like I I didn't was telling them but I'm like I can't be on live stream who's been gone for like at that point okay cuz my daughter was born in 2008 so I by that point I've been on the run like six years or whatever so in six years he's nowhere now he's on on the Christian Church streaming Channel you know like I'm like so they they were cool with me you know and I met and I was doing all kinds of I was just like on I was on a on a journey for knowledge I read like over 300 books in this time I was just I was training martial arts I was just like I was treating my house like if it was prison I was like on shoot program I work out in the back then I have my PlayStation room where I was like play Socom uh Black Ops and that on all that wasn't out yet I would play a grand deado and then I just um and then I had another room with my studio recording studio by this time I'm just like I'm flooding the game I'm like dropping albums all the time and so alleged the dude that that that that um stirred up for me in the first the first time he gets robbed for something that adds up to a little bit over half a mill so I don't know this I'm I don't know anything what's going on right so I go to church and then we would have this like little routine we go to this chicken place get some little chicken eat we get different but that day we got some chicken we ate then we went home my daugh put her in a room so she could take a nap I took a little nap and then I came out and wash my car so as I'm washing my car I live in I live in a gated community and every street is gated too so to get in my my street had about uh I think I think I had I don't know if it has 21 or 32 houses no it it's 21 so there's so it's this is a Sunday right so on Sundays my Street's always like dead like there's no cars going in and out there's nothing people are just hun it hun it down in their pad and that's it so I'm out there washing the car two SUVs pull up in the front outside the gate and these dudes look like you they look like white boys but but there's parts of Mexico where the people look white people they're not dark like me or it's there's different shades in Mexico there's you know look at Canelo Alvarez look at you know Carlos Slim he's Lebanese he you know but there's a lot of different types of Mexicans these dudes they're looking at me they're grilling me and I'm like what the what could this mean this could mean something bad and I'm acting dumb but I'm like watching them and they're waiting for someone to enter or exit so they could come in and um and it's crazy cuz there were parked exactly where the dudes that arrested me were parked when I got arrested in this cuz this is my Street and they're like here like across the street but is this a street like this bja Vu yeah so they're there and they're looking at me my daughter's like all walking around where like three-year-old little girl is I get her I put her back in the living room she comes back out so now it's like 10 minutes have passed and they're just looking at me and I'm watching the car I'm like that I go and I go get that were they pones no there's no pelones in Mexico okay that's that's California and I mean there's some now but but but there that's not that's not the culture in Mexico a bob fol is like bring is trying to bring attention to yourself I mean they might have been I don't know I I didn't see all of I just could see the ones that were looking at me right so then I go get that and I wrap it in the towel and I have the the the SUV hatchback open in the back so I put it right there and I'm like man what the like the slowest 10 15 minutes ever but then if you go down keep going down the street it's a dead end too so so they end up going down in the dead end so I'm like okay I was tripping I'm always tripping I'm paranoid you know I'm fugitive so everything everything means something to me you know so then um another car shows up but this one does a U-turn and it's on like right next to the gate the dude gets out of the car and he's waving me down and I'm looking I'm like oh okay and then he's like hey come outside and I told him nah the state police the state police would drive all through that gated community and those were those are the ones that got me those are the ones that catch fugitives and everything so I'm like nah it's hot they would call him the P CU they wereat prea they call the P you know so I buzzed him in he came in I Buzz the gate closed so it closed right behind him so he walks up all the way up to my house and something like my like my gut something's wrong this F has a weird look on his face and then he tries to play with my daughter and then by now I have it in my pocket and I had sweat so it's chunky you could see it it's like popping out in my leg you know so he's like you know I'm holding my daughter by my hand and and like I'm checking his whole body language I'm like his facial gestures everything I'm on him and then and I know this guy this guy's Cutthroat he's grimy I know him so this is a red flag right off the gate him and I'm like wait a minute some two SUVs were there and now he's here here is that a coincidence or or not no this is math everything is math you know so whatever he um he asked me about my friend have you talked to him I go man I hadn't talked to him in three months okay this what happened I gotta go back on him a little bit at around the 10year mark for him being a fugitive he decides I want to go live in the US and he crosses back over we had a hookup that would cross people over right because I was going to go to Disneyland one day you know and and so he um he ends up crossing over he's lowkey so now this dude is accusing allegedly that this guy stole something from him that's worth over 500k so he so he's telling me this right and I'm like I'm like I don't got nothing to do with it I don't care I don't want no part of it I don't have no part in it so I don't want to be part of it and then he tells me I'm not with TJ anymore I'm with caloa but like he's telling me that to like um maybe like intimidate me and I'm like that's cool I respect that but I'm on the sideline I don't care like yeah but they're talking about smoking everybody that's from Heartbeats The Gang that I'm from here on the border and and in other places and I'm like how do they even know about me they don't know about me who am I I'm no one how would they know about me if they know about me it's cuz you're over there throwing me under the bus that's the only way and he's like nah n your family I wouldn't do that but right there I'm like oh this Fool's lying I caught him his face changed everything got weird right so he starts like doing gets out his phone and he starts calculating look this much and it adds up to this you got to help me get the money back or you got to help me get the stuff back and I'm like nah I don't want no part of it why nah I'm good and then um so I'm just like now I'm like okay them it's the dudes over there this is all one thing and and and I've said this on other podcast like I started hearing a voice in my ear said man blow this fool down right now smoke his ass but it was I I just couldn't because I could have but like what there was going to be a dead body outside my front door I live in the Gated Street you know I'm sure everybody was looking out the window without me knowing you know and and so I'm like but the voice is telling me like um give it to this fool this Fool's lying he's those trucks everything is something so he tells me what I'm going to tell you it's G to you up but I'm in I'm in deep they're going to kill me so he tells me that the pfp this is a different police force this is a Mexican federal police they changed their name now too I think they're called they're called W Nation but he tells me um that the only reason he's not dead is because they had his phone tapped and they showed up to his house with a book of CDs of all his phone calls and they know they knew he got robbed so they were giving him a few days to get the back or he was out of there that's what he's telling me I don't know if that's true sounded real it you know it's sounded about right you know so I'm hearing them and I'm like yeah but this's the thing man I got nothing to do with I don't want to get my involved myself in nothing that I have nothing to do with it and then and then he tells me well I'm going to tell you something that's going to you up and then I'm just like what what is it and you know my daughter's trying to run away from me but I'm like holding her and then I got the I'm hold my hands in my thing holding this and I'm like what he goes I told on your boy to the pfp but I didn't trip on that cu the pfp can't do nothing he's in the US what he telling him what that he got robbed so I was like so what and then he tells me and I told on your boy to the DEA and when he said that I was like my soul came out of my body like I've never heard I heard another dude say some sh that one time and I didn't know if it was real or fake and then I still don't know if it was real or fake I don't know if he was playing around when he said but this dude when he said it he said it he's telling he's confiding in me the secret he and he tells me I had to and then I'm like I'm like kind of backing way I'm like man should I kill this foood right here right now or not I'm just I don't know what to do I'm like in know I don't know what to do so rabit you got to help me and I'm like man I can't how I don't want nothing to do with it so his phones all his phones start going off he's the same too he got four or five phones and then he kind of gives me he turns around gives me his back but I'm hearing it I'm hearing I'm like I'm I've been hearing for noises for for 10 years at this point or whatever eight years or six years or seven years whatever oh no but so six 9 years I've been hearing voices and phone calls and so I'm hearing this fool they're telling him what do you want us to do and he's like nah n hold up he's talking to the two SUVs that are down in the dead end so now now I know people that he was with they came to kidnap me they want to kill me and my daughter this other guy has told me this now that I know so so then he um he's try and then when he turns around he he just looks grimy like I know he's lying to me and then he tell he's like nah nah okay in Spanish though he speaks Spanish this F had the worst he didn't he it's it's weird though that he didn't know Spanish right it's just so I could I could pick it apart quick he's like n just wait for me at the gas station and when he says that like 30 seconds later I see the two SUVs pass up and they go so I'm like no no no wait before that he tells me walk me to my car he tries one more time and I told him nah it's hot out there with the with the pepos with the state police and then and then then that's when that just wait for me at the BX that's the gas stations over there so I see boom boom they go up and then he's like man you got to help me he's trying to tell me and I'm like so I Buzz him from far I Buzz him I Buzz the gate open as soon as he walks through that buzz it clothes right behind him boom it shuts I'm tripping now I'm tripping I'm like man they're goingon to come again so then I go to a Madrina a witch too I called her first and I'm like Madina some sh some happening I get over here right now I'm like man I don't even know if that's safe she's like you're going to be all right just get over here I don't know why I listen to her but I go she lived by the airport a Tha so I go to thaai Boom she does her she does a reading on me whatever whatever she got death deps upon you deps over your head hovering but we're going to do some long trip we're going to feed the Earth that's a ceremony they do in Sania where they they like an exchange for like your blood they feed an an animal's blood to the ground they feed the Earth Mother Earth some blood but it's not yours it's an animal it's a gold and some roosters and some that right don't worry go home relax we're going to be there in the morning with all with all the stuff because they have to go and get this is night time this is it's getting dark you can't going to buy a goat in the middle of night you know and it's Sunday you can't buy a goat Sunday and the night unless you know the guy so then so I go back home I'm tripping I'm like pacing bulletproof vest is on so now it starts getting night time I'm looking out the window I got cameras too I got cameras everywhere I got camera across the street I got cameras I got four cameras I could I'm I could see the I'm just looking at is I had like on iPad so I'm looking at the little iPad I'm looking at the window I'm going I go downstairs I come upstairs and then my daughter she comes to my room and she jump she said I'm going to sleep in your bed dad whatever give so she jumps up in my bed with a little blankets she's asleep I put a bulletproof s on top of her so she has her little blankets and a bullet proof s on top of her I make sure like the plate was like over like here you know and then um and then so I'm like at that moment I just felt weak I felt hopeless again back to that like oh man but now every time I see my my I'm looking at my daughter like my tears are coming I'm like crying like like what the [ __ ] like damn that's a little girl right there she she was like all all girl she don't know what the she don't know her dad's a fugitive she doesn't know that she drives around with me with guns in her baby diaper bag you know she don't know this sometimes I have one in her back I put her in the cart seat and she leaned up against one on her back because there's so many checkpoints in Mexico that you know I would think like they're not going to make her get off they'll make me get off search the car but they won't let her get off and one day that I almost got caught like that there was a checkpoint inside my the Gated Community by the military they raided a house they found a whole house full of guns the whole house was that's all it was it was like a Armory a Stash House of guns so they had a checkpoint right in front of it and and um she was sick so I was going to go to the pharmacy and when I hit that corner they're like they're just I'm there there's no wayn I'm like ah they're like turn off the car get out of the car and they're like can you get the little girl out and I'm like she's sick and he's he's like and I'm like well she's sick I'm as I'm I'm going to a pharmacy to get her some medicine she's she has a crazy fever she's she she has a flu she's sick I don't want to I don't want to get her sick so they kind of like search like you know because the military is different they're rude they're they're they're all different like you know and then so that was that story but then back to the other story so in the night I'm just pacing back and forth I'm losing my mind I'm like I'll sit down on the wall I'll like C you know like trying to think this out okay what am I going to do so I'm like if they come I'm GNA go out my back door on the second floor and put my daughter on my neighbor's roof I'm G to come back down and I'm G just go at it with these Foods you know that's I'm I'm trapped you know cuz I'm like it's like I'm in the dead end the way the house is I I there's no back there's no and the houses that are behind me the walls like three stories there's no way I could go up I have to be a ninja you know so I'm waiting for these fools all night well actually I was trying to like that I was going to turn myself in that day I was like this enough this a enough of this you know she's going to get hurt and and that's it I'm G to just drive to the Border hey I'm a fugitive my daughter's an American citizen I have family in America they'll come get her that was like my plan or see the the US Embassy the counsil is in OTAs by the airport so I was like if I just just wait till 2: or 3 in the morning when there's no traffic even if they chase me I'll smash right into the you I'll smash right in they'll probably fire on me or or but I'll smash right in these fools won't go they won't follow me all the way in they'll probably fire on me too I'll probably get fired on from both Sid I don't know but that was my options go to the Border or go to the go to the the embassy or whatever the counselor whatever it is but but at the same time I was like I'll be intercepted they're sitting on me I don't know if I'll make it how can I make it I need to like I I needed to call somebody to go roam my whole vicinity and tell me what cars if there was any SUVs two of them together so I could know you know but at that point I was like blocked off mentally I had like you know when they say writers block I have fugitive block I have criminal block like what could I do at this moment you know so I stayed up all night sort of like right now in London I've got jet lag I don't know my sleep's all off all night till the sun came up few hours later they show up we do that that Santa Ria ritual in my right there in the pad we feed the ground kill some animals they do a reading you're going to be all right so then you know yeah I believed it but at the same time you know I was a little bit skeptical so like I had my daughter I had her you know she was in private school dance school swimming School piano classes everything I was I was a dad you know she don't know nothing she's just being a little girl like you know so she needed some school supplies so I had to get out of the house I had to go so when I went when I came back there was a paper in my door with his initial of his name and it said call me the dude that went to my house telling me that he snitched on my boy to the DA his number was on a piece of paper on my door call me so now I'm pacing my house 2 three hours do I want to call him with this phone no because they're recording this told me the the Mexican federal police recording all his phone calls but that was a new number so I I just was like should I call them so over there they got things called cettas they're like little Superman booths a bunch of them there'll be a bunch of them like 10 of them they're getting rid of them cuz you know using payones anymore but you go and you make a phone call from right there so I win I call this fool right I don't know if I did or I called from a pay phone cuz you know the Mexico uses those little like you it's like you put a debit card into the cell phone I don't know or the cassette I'm kind of you know it's blurry it's a lot lot of a lot of things have passed you know and um and cuz I remember side note a little bit back I remember um David a the director I had talked to him in years but he has two nightmares where I get chopped up in pieces so he he he he he reaches out to somebody he has some people locate some people to locate my people and he's here shooting the movie Fury with Brad Pit and all of them sh they're shooting it here because they shot it here and and I call this number and I call and they're here I call London but up there whatever so I call and um I'm like he's like hey are you good I had these nightmares about you and I'm like man get me the out of here if you can't get me the out of here because there was a lot of [ __ ] going on people were dying left and right like oh like I I I kind of I don't know why I skipped it because but there's a lot of death happening lot of murders are happening throughout this whole story that I've been telling you and and and um so I'm telling him this he goes yeah when I get back I'm going to I'm going to get this lawyer I'm going to bring you home cool I lose contact with Dave I lose contact with him so back to back to over there so I end up going to one of those things to call him right so I call him and he's not picking up because he doesn't recognize the number too so I call again he finally he when they pick up you don't hear nothing so I'm like hey hey so that they knew that we do that hey hey hey hey and then he's like hey is this your new number I'm like yeah he goes don't trip we could we could talk my line is clean I'm like man no what's up he goes man you got to help me you got to help me there's no other way around it I'm like man I don't want no part of it bro I'm doing my own [ __ ] I got my own life going on you know you know I'm a father I'm doing this [ __ ] don't get me involved in nothing that I'm not involved in I'm not and he was just like going on about it and I just had to cut him off I told him man you know what you take good care of yourself man I'm I'm out boom I hung up on him and then I didn't I was just again like now what see but but S Note okay I know somebody that was close with him at one point that was around him at this time and he has told me goes they tried a gang of times to kill you they were you were just so elusive it's because I kept switching cars I had different cars so I would put some in switch out and I you know and that food didn't know I had the two other car so the main car that that that day they came I put that one up so then um he was just like they were trying so bad like he was pushing them he was pushing the cartel to get you even though you had nothing to do with it he was pressing and they were trying so when all this happens right the when that first time he went I call my guy I call I'm like hey man F this fo's talking about he gave you up to the D man that weak ass fool who ain't who can't do nothing he I don't give a what he says or what he he ain't you know he ain't doing nothing over here and um so and my understanding was they gave him a phone call and they told him like a hair gets touched on rabbit you got family over here so we're going to we're going to get with your family over here and we're not going to respect nothing no moms No Sisters no nothing it's gonna it's gonna be it's gonna be on and cracking and he was like no no no rabbit's family but he was just saying that because the other dude told me like no that fool was trying to B they he wanted you dead he wanted even though you had nothing to do with it but you were guilty by association from the other people so he wanted to take it out on you and and those people were like okay whatever so it got so hot for him that he crossed back into the US that was I was like ah I was relieved when I heard I heard I was like yeah that's one problem out the way but I still have more problems there was more problems you know and then um so more years pass now it's getting close to where I'm going to get arrested so so I REM and by this time I'm all involved in the AFR Cuban religions Balo mayombe I'm initiated I you know I have all these vessels these things that my Saints and my and my my ancestors and this and this and I'm all in I'm all in in all up in it I'm I was at the sweat Louch I'm on this spiritual journey right even though you know it it could get it could get out of hand easy if you me I'm GNA get out of hand with you you know but I don't want that I'm trying to do the right thing you know and and and I'm just reading all these self-help books and I got homies that are Freemasons now and they're trying to get me to join the lodge but I don't want to do it because they I felt like they're the Illuminati they're going to know my real name they're going to turn me in you know and and and so so you know it's cool but again there's like there's a bunch up it's because there's so much that happened my friends are dying they're killing people and and they're catching fugitives constantly so I would always be on it I would I was checking the news and and I have cops that were my friends you know but they just thought I was deported so they would sometimes tell me like yeah we c a fugitive today and I'll be like really how does that happen uh we don't care about fug is it's someone always gives a tip to the US then the US comes and does the research surveillance then they give us the thing and then we have to bring them in that's how it happens we don't give a we got our own problems over here but when they start bugging then we got to bring them in so I would like I would fish for information and use it to like okay and and I would kind of Dodge the state police cuz I never seen it but I had heard that they had this little like an iPad where you just put your hand and they will run you you you could tell them whatever you want but that iPad's going to bust out everything dental records everything it was so I would always like kind of dodg them and and they were in the news because they were robbing people killing people they were just the the state police so you know and and they'll go to your house wipe you out take all your furniture your cars your plasmas they don't give a coming out the house with everything so I was dodging those dudes I was just maneuvering so at this point my wife comes into the scene see before I went on the run I was dating her so one day I'm hanging out with my my boy from Logan right he was like hey take me to buy these specific work boots he wanted and and and I I was in Puerto pinasco okay look I had went to Puerto P for 10 days so I came back black from being the son I was AR you know and the first day I came this is the second day first day I went I got back I went straight to the sweat lodge and then the next day he comes over right so you let's go so I had this like little soccer mom van type vehicle it's lowkey so I would get pulled over I just look like a regular dude you know and then um I Googled my wife just randomly you know and then I I had seen some pictures that sh had got married I was like you know she was my we were dating before I went on the run so now like and then oh she's a business owner and her number's here so I'm telling this story to my boy and he's like call her fool so I go to one of those places those cassetas those phone boobs again and I call and her her like sort of like her secretary picks up and I ask for her and she's oh who's this and I'm like oh yeah there's an old friend yeah but I need to write down a name I can't just write old friend on the message she's in the meeting right now well I told her tell her is angel from the big house cuz she went to see me once or twice in TJ at that at that mini Mansion once for New Year's and I think once I think once only and it was crazy cuz I remember I had told her hey I got $7,000 on me let's go to Chicago together I got a hookup over there where I could get ID with no fingerprints come on and she was like nah I just got accepted a long be state I'm going to you tripping be a fugitive wife fugitive girlfriend so so I'm telling my guy and then he's like man just call her fool just one time so I I I call and then they're like call back so I call back again and then I'm like hey the same thing hey and then she's like hey and I go you know who this is right she's like yeah I go okay I want you to go get a burner phone right now and I'll call you back I hung up I came back like 30 minutes later she gave me a number and I went and bought a new burner phone and then I called her and she was just like you know what I don't care where you're at around the world I'mma jump on the plane right now and go see you but I'm like thought you're mared's like nah over with I'm like what and then she was like and I go you have a son right she goes no I have two sons and I go cool I'm going to give you a daughter and she's like okay so two days later she shows up in TJ oh when I tell her where I'm at I'm like I'm at the big house she's like what the rumors about you are crazy I thought you were in China I thought you were in Australia I thought you were in somewhere Europe like there it's just the rumors are just it's just like I hear so much about you everywhere you know and then um two days later she shows up I pick her up at the border I was all like Incognito had glasses circling blocks she told me she thought I was on meth CU I was like watching Counting Cars like I'll stop just to see if that car was let it pass me up make a left I was just like real precautious right he goes I thought you were tweaked out you were tripping me out and I'm like nah and she knows I don't I don't by this time I was in party I I never party with that anyways ever you know and then um you know so we started dating you know I'm over here I start falling in love with her and then she's just like man we're getting a lawyer you're coming home but I can't bring my daughter because you know I'm going to have to go to jail for I know I'm going to have to sit in there about two years um you know cuz it's it's usually murder cases are like twoyear trials or three something like that right so I'm just like I'm I'm it's like a battle in my head over this thing how could I tell my daughter that that that this is happening this it's going to happen and I didn't want to be separated from her and I just like I was I was having a like turmoil within within me you know this been my little partner since she was born she's been riding with me dirty like all these years and and and and by now like she's we were sharing her her and her mom right so she would stay with me um Sunday Monday Tuesday no no no her mom would get her on Monday I would take her to school her mom would pick her up on Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday I would pick her up from school and she stay with me Thursday Friday Saturday Sunday so the last Sunday we spent together um it was weird other things that happened in the religion with divination that told me my time was up I had to go face my issues and I didn't want to you know I did but not yet it was telling me it's h it's happening now and I'm like ah so then um that last Sunday I was with my daughter she came to my room and she's like Daddy I love you good night she went back to her room she started like she was like me she comes back like a minute later Daddy I love you good night and and every time she did it it was hurting me more I was just like ah daddy she did like four or five times whatever and every time she did it I just feel like it was just killing me like oh man and then um and then I I had a watch right and I was like doing something and boom the the the the strap snapped and I swear I heard a voice in my head say your time is up I I Heard It In My Head your time is you're done it's over your time is up so so a week before that I had did a ceremony in in Santa it's called Santo Lavado you receive this one Saint it's the all day ceremony and this dude this Cuban dude right he does everything and he does a reading for me and everything's cool everything's like cool cool cool cool cool and then in the end he goes oh he looks at me and I'm like what and he tells me someone that was your friend was never your friend and and he's already betrayed you so I'm like counting a friend I didn't consider that a dude a friend so I'm like it it can't be him you know I only my friends were one hand less Maybe four fingers so that I with you know that that that knew where I live no one knew where I lived I never take nobody to my house for this but that other D knew where I live so I I kind of already it was coming so now so one day so I take my daughter to school that Monday morning I come back go to the gym and then the next day I didn't I would oh I by this time I was I was was the I was assistant instructor at this like Mexican YMCA in TJ it's called elat it's like a sports center so I was like teaching kids like self-defense I was the assistant instructor so I had this little badge so it was part of my my my alibi you know per se like if I got stopped what do you do I used it before I'm a karate teacher teach you know atris youth martial arts and this this and that and you know make it sound good you know my alibi so then um I had noticed weird there one day there was a white guy doing we were meditating and there was a when I something told me to open my eyes I open my eyes and there was a white guy on a yoga mat doing yoga in front of the door and I'm like what the and then I seen some other white guy and then one day me and my girl were at the beach at the boardwalk around this these days and a big ass black dude and a big ass white boy walk right by me but I felt their energy and then we posted up when I told my girl are they looking I made her like I hugged her so she could look that way she's like yeah they're straight looking at us I'm like all right let's get out of here so it was coming little there was little signs of this so now I took her to school on Monday now it's Tuesday it was raining on Monday night Tuesday the sun was out nice beautiful day but cold I had sweats some sandals a hoodie and my boy had called me in the from the religion and he's like hey we want to come over there with these with these these African dudes and we going to have a drum session at your pad okay come over so I was going to go throw the trash out like big trash bag black trash bag so I would have to go out the gate make a left take the the lock off the lock off the thing and the trash was in there so it's like three steps to do this I was right about go the door and I go hold on let me check the iPad oh cuz there was where they those guys were parked days before there was a a a navigator park right there and there was like little things going on like that right so so I was going to go out the door I'm like hold up let me check the cameras and I seen and there was a car park right there with two dudes in it and they didn't know that on that okay where they on that side that they were at there's another gated street right and the first house was a three story house and my guy lived in that house so I had a camera on the third floor looking down so I could see what he was was doing he was texting and taking notes on a on a pad but I couldn't see it you know I just see what they were doing so I'm like where are they I waited like an hour and they wouldn't leave I'm over here I got I got the pull-up bar in the house I'm doing pull-ups smoking just trying to kill time you know before my friends came over and and they would leave I just want to throw the trash you know and then I would go look out the side of the house and I could see him like I'm tripping maybe it's not nothing ah it's nothing so I decid to go throw the trash I go out there and I have the control in my pocket so what I do I don't buzz the gate open I buzz it right when I'm right in front of it I buzz it open and I make that left to go through a trash as soon as I make a left I look out the corner of my eyes they're looking at me I'm like so I just threw the trash back close to the thing and as I'm walking back I buzz it so it starts closing so that way it could like if anything happened I could just go in like this at the exact same time a ram truck went came straight at me boom hit the gate knocked the whole gate off the rail and I jumped out the way the two dudes were already running they tackled me and I could hear in Spanish like he's going to kick cuff his feet he's gonna kick because they have been watching me training and then they just put all the guns in my head boom boom like Spanish basically like don't move smoke your ass boom boom boom they WRA me up cover my head boom throw me in that truck and it's crazy when the truck hit the gate I jumped out but we look we looked at each other and he he made a face like oops like saying like I just up your whole gate for the whole street and this is the big metal steel uh gate on a on a on a like you know so that it's coming at you Steel's coming at you so I jumped out the way they tackle me boom boom boom wrap me up cover me up snatch it's like a kidnapping they kidnapped me like in 5 10 seconds quick they put me in the car they had my feet were cuffed they cuffed me to the bottom of the truck and had a thing for it cuz I guess dudes had escaped on them before so I'm like I got cuff here they're they got my head down they're like you know kind of like trying to like Punk me don't move shut the up this is and that and I'm just like my life is flashing before me because I think it's a kidnapping I thinking the dude had got me kidnapped now so I'm thinking about my daughter I'm thinking about my family I want to see I want to see my mom I'm just like you know everything in that situation everything's going to you're going to remember everything like in slow motion but like and they're going to be sad without me this is bad like you think so many things right but at the same time I know even though I can't see I know where I'm going by the way the engine is revving and I could feel we made it right we made it left okay they're taking me to the back I'm like they're going to take me to a a security house uh they're called G where they torture fools they interrogate fools so I'm like they're going to take me one of those and they're going to go to work on me right so as we're going boom boom boom boom boom they uncover my head and I look and there's a packet of papers on the floor like this and my pictures on that packet and the guy tells me um he tells me Spanish like what's up Kono and I don't react to it and then he's like what's up Mr Martin Mr Martin my last name I don't react to it and then um and then there like it's flapping there's a picture of me Crossing so they had a drone on one of the days where I cross from my my gu house across the street to my street my gated street I'm like walking with like four phones in my hands so the pictures from up so it had to be like a little drone because like two weeks before there was a truck park right there remember remember I remember when they took that picture once I seen I know when that picture was toen and then um so then they're like you're out of here you're going back to your country so then I kind of like eased up a little bit I'm like all right and I tell them like hey um I'm out of here who cares who told who who told on me who was it I think I know who it was and then they're they they started laughing they're like well we're going to give you a clue we're going to give you a clue it goes this person called the us and told him exactly where you were they came they the surveillance on you and then they brought the folder to our to our table go get this guy this is everything the only reason we sat on you some more because we thought you were doing other [ __ ] that's it you so and then he goes you were elusive we've been trying to get you for two weeks you you move too much and you you your patterns are different every day and you know you just you're not you know it you made it hard for us you made it hard on us and then they were cool you know and then um so I was like can I make a phone call my daughter's in school I need to make sure the mom's going to get her and everything's cool what's your daughter's school like they didn't believe me at first so I told him the name they Googled it they called the school the principal answers I knew her and I told her yeah it's you know I'm K's that oh it's everything all right yeah um can I talk to K real quick yeah yeah my daughter's playing in the playground so this is she must have been like seven or eight I think I don't know okay I don't know she was she was more than seven because at seven years old when she turned seven I remember her birthday gift was her initiation into the religion and she got initiated and got her Saints and um so I tell her I get on the phone with her and I tell her hey Mommy the police has me and and they're taking me back to where Grandma's at and she starts screaming and crying and I ah but I told her like no no no no don't cry you're a big girl you're going to be all right tell the principal you want to call your mom and have your mom pick you up okay yeah so tell the principal you you want to call your mom so she could pick you up and then I'm and later you're going to get a call from from from the family don't worry it's going to be all right she's crying okay okay like listening to all my you know all the the steps that she's supposed to take so then they take me to the hospital first cuz they I think they have to I had some scratches when they rushed me and then like elbow scratch I was bleeding a little spots then they took me uh somewhere else like their immigration signed some papers and then they took me no no no no no well I don't know you I I sent you that picture my arrest picture from Mexico right mm I went there first to their Command Center that and they they had the paparazzi ready for that and they that's that picture and then I went to the hospital I went to all these little steps and then they take you that walk when they walk you into the USU that they like you see the fug I've seen it when they and I'm like damn now I'm doing it it's crazy so I'm like Shackled you know waist shackles my feet so I'm like uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh and it's crazy so they take me in there uncuff me the US is like sit down right there with no handcuffs or nothing and um they're like What's your name I give them my name what's your social and they're typing they're like there's nothing coming up so I'm like what the maybe I was in a fugitive all these years should I just get up like walk out this [ __ ] cuz there's a gang of there's a gang of Americans right there that are getting kicked out of Mexico for being drunks and partying anding up and fools are just walking out into the US so I'm like should I just get up and walk out or what and I swear I sat there for like one hour and after an hour something popped up and this like like an old school immigration border patrol now it's Homeland Security I don't know one of them ice he comes that guy needs to be over there he can't be right here and he so they sit me on this bench inside now and then he comes back he's like why the is he not handcuffed he needs to be handcuffed to the bench and then I knew oh now they're on so then they're like and then he comes back he's like put this mother in a sale so that was my first sale at the border they put me in the cell you know when you see the steel toilet you know and and and it was cold the AC was blowing so I started doing some push-ups and then I sat there for like three hours so what happened was once they had me they called the Los an the LAPD fugitive task force and they were on another mission in Vegas so when they got the call they SM so they made it from all from Vegas all the way to um sanro San Diego in 3 hours they get there I see them coming with chains like you know when you go to court you they come you hear all the chains coming so they open it up they chain me back up and then one tells me hey I just I had just dropped a brand new video I had dropped a song a video to a to a song called State gangster rfic and he goes I just watched your video yesterday it's pretty good and I'm like all right cool thanks yeah I mean I don't know how to respond to this what what do you say oh thank you for the stream or whatever so so it was like three vehicles so they put me in the in the it's like a a minivan right so I'm in the middle one and all it has is they had the front seats and in the middle on the side by the door there's just one seat like a bucket seat and then there's one in the back and there's they're armed he's in the back and he's just like don't around because you know for what and I was just you know in a way I was kind of relieved like a like a lot of but now I have to face a different animal the the the California state courts the la la CCB Court the criminal Criminal Courts Building in Downtown LA so they're going and we're smashing from San Cedro to La like 120 miles and I feel like the van's going to flip over and I'm tripping out I'm seeing all these American restaurants and I cuz I haven't been in the US all these years so I'm just looking at everything like and you know when you get to San Clemente there's a checkpoint there from from San Cedro San Clemente there's a checkpoint it's never it's never open I mean it's open you just to drive through it but that day they were out there and I remember we pulled up boom boom boom three of us and they flashed the badge and they did something they open up go go go go go and I swear we made it from sanro San Diego to um 77 Division police station in La like in about an hour it usually takes two hours and a half man they were flying F and I'm just like tripping out and then when we finally exit of the 105 Freeway I don't know if it was the harbor or the or the 105 then we start driving through the streets of LA and I'm just tripping out like there's bums everywhere there wasn't bum there wasn't the Homeless Problem wasn't there when I left my stomach's growling I'm hungry as [ __ ] and um so that that problem wasn't there so I'm just but I'm not painting on M so I get to 77th division they book me they fingerprint me they do everything right and then um so they put me in this one cell I'm in this cell I asked if I could use the phone so they bring me down they leave me in this room with a phone I only know one number my my girl's number call her number she gives me somebody else's number and then I start getting all these numbers and then I start calling people and then um and then the next day in the morning my attorney um Stuart goar shows up he shows up and he's just like Shalom babe he's like fall back I got this you relax I want you stressing out don't talk to nobody about your case no details no nothing just I might not show up to your first court date because I'm getting all the paperwork ready and let me tell you this so my codefendant my friend right he got caught two years before me three years he got caught in La mysteriously but we know who told on him where to go find him right so they get him the same thing death penalty whatever he goes to prelim after a year they release him they drop it on him so I'm in I'm in Mexico I hear this I'm happy I'm like that's good news for me and he goes no when they got me the FBI came to see me too they want you fool you should lay low fool they're they're they're they're going to go hard on you now cuz you're the last one they're going they so I'm like I was depressed I'm like man just when I'm happy you know and [Music] um so so I go in there right I go back to the tanks whatever and they wake me up in the middle of nowhere and they're like hey we're going to clean this cell we're going to put you in another cell so they put me in this other cell right so side note I had another friend he was a fugitive for 20 years they arrested him two months before me so I remember I was looking at this there's this newspaper called seta this all it's all juicy [ __ ] gangster [ __ ] it's like if they have an informant in every cartel because it's just all inside info crazy right I I came out and then I'm trying to get the issue just I could frame it and keep it you know cuz my boys like f you you were on seta you were the the front cover for you the and then um so when he went in there they put him in a Cell what they got some called Perkins so Perkins they could use informance to like trick you to to to give him give up some info so they put him in there with a dude that was a homie like Bal tatted up but he was an informant and he acted like if he was a fugitive as well and they just BR him in for murder so it got him comfortable and they both started talking about so he starts telling them the the insights into his case right so I knew about this that so when I get to 7 I go to the same station 77 Division I get there they put me in that other cell with another dude I walk in he just laid out and his arms were sticking out and he had tracks all over his arms you could tell he was a hype a adic so he don't know me he don't he don't know nothing about me he don't know who I am or nothing he looks at me he's laying down he's all you know like I'm sure he's kicking or whatever or acting like he was and he's like what you in here for rape and I'm getting ready to him up I'm like what the you said and then but there's a camera right there and then the lights on and then there's the mics right there I'm like oh man you know they're going to charge me more charges so I'm like what you say and he try to clean it up so then that that threw me off it threw me off completely then I'm not talking to him I'm just standing by the window the door I'm just looking out I'm still thinking about stomping them out you know or how should I put a blanket hang the blanket over the bunk and then just start stomping get inside with him and just come up with the blanket covering us I don't know and then he start is asking me about my f like friends and ex-friends he doesn't know what gang I'm from but he's bringing them up so I'm like oh this is what this is this is crazy this is one this is Perkins I and tell this full so I so the way it works over there you get arrested on Monday you get arrested on Monday right you stay at the police station three days on the third day you go to court and if you right there you know you get charged that court and then they take you to the county jail that's how California works I don't know about Arizona yeah we're in the think h of hary for two or three days see a judge and then you get assigned you go to the county jail so that's what happened to me I get to the count I I go to court right I'm in there everybody knows I'm I'm on on all the news LA Times everybody knows when was been arrested in Mexico and he's coming in so I'm I'm in there I'm still wearing my my my sandals my sweats a hoodie and dudes are like oh sh this fool whatever so I go to court and then my attorney doesn't go they send a public defender in because he told me he wasn't going to make it so she comes in and she's telling me she's you know you you're you're being charged with this this that and I tell her well how can I get bail I'm trying to get bail she's like there is no bail for death penalty cases the whole tank went quiet and everybody's just like looking at me like what the and and and because not that I had all I was thinking if it's a million I could get properties and my family and and you know we'll make this happen you know for the bail you know and then n there is no bail you have no bail not for this case and then they bring me into court right and then the judge tells me you know that this is a special that's what they're call special circumstances case and you're being charged with this and and this is like a death penalty case I forgot how she breaks it down or a dude I don't know if it was a dude or a girl so then that's like a your soul leaves your body right your your soul leaves your body type of moment right and then um so whatever now I go back to the county jail now I'm going to get processed in the county jail the whole process begins so I haven't slept in 15 years now I haven't slept I'm tired I'm in the county it's like jet lag that processing takes like three days this you know LA County Jail is huge you go here they move you here you go to Medical then you go and all this movement right so then they [ __ ] me out to supermax that's that's an extension of of of the LA County jail but it's by Magic Mountain it's called Wayside and inside there they have supermax so I go to supermax I walk in everybody's on me like want to talk to me asking me if I bring any dope if this that and I'm tired I slept for three days I just get up for child they gave me an act they're like go ahead just you could tell you just been through some sh they let me sleep for 3 days and then I remember I I get up I'm using the phone I get there and then you know the floors are polished concrete right so it's like kind of you know how the jails are right so the way supermax is is a dorm it's a two-story dorm and then there's a stairs on the side so I'm on the phone with my back to the stairs and then I start hearing squeaking boom bo boom boom boom boom bo b someone's getting up so you know and you're not allowed to look if you look you get up too for looking because that you're going to make you're going to bring attention to what the situation so I look and they're some dude up and even my girls like is everything cuz you hear all squeaking you know n everything's cool everything all right because I'm kind of went quiet n no it's cool everything's cool and then um then that's when I realized like I'm I'm in the jungle now now I just entered another jungle now you know and it was strange for me because I hadn't used my real name in 15 years and I haven't used my nickname K in 15 years in the music I use it but you would never know I never would tell anybody my name was Kono because they had informants in Mexico and you know so I would never so now it was weird that now I have to introduce myself again I'm K from Harpy's dead and you know so so um I'm introducing myself it's just I'm I I came back with like Mexican customs now I just been I feel Mexican now you know I'm always been Mexican but now I feel Mexican like like you know I miss Mexico I miss Mexican you know music and I want to hear Spanish music and I'm back in the jungle you know like where I where I was birthed you know so it's a little bit of a culture shock and I'm you know I'm seen fights and I'm like damn you know it's it's it's different you know I I was a fug you know were the chos beefing with the Pisces no that doesn't happen in in in California that doesn't happen okay you're cool with them and then um for the most part it's going to be the blacks versus the Mexicans that's it and um so you know I'm there I'm there for like a month or two start going to court the process starts happening you know and then um I get sent to another part of it not it's called medium North which I used to like you know you had a back door you could go outside all day pull up bars dip bars everything so you know I I stayed the whole year and some change right there after that you know and um I would just I would just um I was just trying to stay out of because there happening there Jail's jail you know so you have to stay with your people yeah yeah I was with the homies you know I that's what I am so I you know came back into to that fold and I Wasing with them and then I had homies from my neighborhood that I never met but they were coming in and I'm like so what's going on and everybody's like briefing me putting me up to date on on what's going on in the streets and this and that and U my codefendant he's like after you're going to be all right he's out my my fugitive brother that was with me all the time the other one stretch stretch got 89 to life at this point what on his case he got life with the same case no he has a different case he had his own case different from ours oh he gets 89 to life or life without I think it was lwop yeah he was life without so then um you know I'm in there my codend is like you know I would get I would get stacks of mail from fans from all over the world would send me mail everywhere like everybody was writing me sending me pictures putting money on my books putting money on the phone so I would just be calling people all day long on the phone that helped me like not hard time it that much you know because that like takes your mind out of there you know so I would get mail from Amsterdam with pictures of all Amsterdam and I'd just be like a sh this dope and and I'll get pictures from South Korea Harley's pitbulls models like random people would just write me and write me write me and I would write everybody and share my mail with everybody let everybody read my mail you know not not my wife's mail but like all the other mail I got everybody was reading it and you know and and it it went pretty pretty smooth for me honestly and plus I you know I I made it a thing to like you know there's things that you have to do in there and I did them because I had to you know that's that's just the way it is you'll get up if you don't do them you know so I had to I had to you know I had to abide by the rules you know so but but I didn't go over plus I came back older now I was in my 40s so now you know when I left when I was in like late 20s now I'm coming back and I'm in my 40s ear yeah and I was just like you know you think different from 20 to 40 you know and I was just like like I said there you got to do that I like doing but I would do it because you have to so with like the youngsters coming to you for a bit of mentorship nah they were just n not really they were just like wanting to hear some stories and and you know and then they tried again with another dude another informant so but this happened at supermax I was in Super Max still he came in and he was acting like he was a fan and then but something was weird I was like so he kept singing one song I love all your sh I'm like what other song and he couldn't name no other songs and he was just like he was just like I knew something was wrong right like right away like it's mathematic like this doesn't add up and then he would try to ask me about my case I'm like ah in my head I'm like that's a no no something's fishy right here and then he was trying to tell me about his how he moved in TJ and I was like bro it don't work like that I was over there 15 he's lying he was lying to me he was lying to me and and he was trying to lie to me about a place I just came from where I know it don't work like that so and then I would be on the phone and he jump on the next phone but you know you have to put your pen number to make a phone call I'll be like watching him and he's not he's just talking on the phone to nobody he didn't put no pen in and then he'll be like hey baby make sure you put the the 4 five that I left in the in the in the barbecue grill make sure you put it under the house and then make sure you get the shotgun that I left in the trunk of the car and you put it in the Attic like you name all these weapons you know I don't know if he was just trying to show off but but that was like red flags and red flags and red flag I'm not staying away from this dude and then then I started noticing that he would be around all the little homies that were young that were busted for murder and he'd be over there talking to him and I'd be wondering like I know this mother asking him about their cases and this fool you know he he's he's a prison baby he been in prison all that since since childhood you know he's he's he's he's been in the system but that don't matter you know it don't matter like there's grimy fools everywhere you know so so then yeah I go to meet him North I'm there whatever and then um now I'm not looking at I'm just looking at life and we're going and we're going with the process I I stayed in AR reignment I never went to to prelim arraignment postpone come back in a month come back in two months arraignment so I would go every month to court and say not guilty every court so then Stuart I got an attorney visit one day right so he comes and he's like he he come they I go out there to the visiting to for my attorney visit and then he's like he's like I got good news and I Shalom first is Shalom babe he tell me Shalom we pound the window and then he goes um I got bad I got good news and bad news I'm like hit me with the bad news what's the bad news the bad news is they just they just came at us with a three-year offer and I like I'm like what and then I'm like that's good that's great news what do you mean and I go what's the good news then the good news is that means that they only have a marginal case at best against you I could beat this in trial but you would have to sit in here for another year and a half maybe I'm like man I don't want to risk it still honestly I'm going to take those three years I already been in a year and some change I would do about another 11 months I'm I'm taking them Jose you're not taking them and I'm like I'm taking them let me talk to my girl and we're going to we're going to figure this out so then I call him one day right I'm like St I already talked to sa to my girl and we decided we're taking it you're not taking it I could get you something better and I'm like what what's better there's no better I I I just I seen so many like I seen this happen and then um he hung up on me so I see I get to court I don't know if it was two weeks later 3 weeks later I go to court but I don't know I I I I felt something positive because before I went to court I threw away all my girl's mail all of it I threw all her mail in the trash all the I had Stacks I gave I I just left everything there right and then I had a gang of my whole under my bunk I had B of store I had about $300 to $500 worth of books cuz all the fans were sending me books books on the aod I used to love books on the ult you know and I would get all these like there was this one dude I had bought his whole his collection some Italian dude named Leo zami he had these Illuminati books it was like a series and then everybody was like oh man the books are they talk about everything you know the pope and you know the usual but and you're in jail so it's like watching a movie reading the and then and um so I threw all my girls mail away and then I threw all her pictures away I kept one with me I threw all my personal sh I had stacks of everything and then um and then I went to court that day and every time I would go to court I would be the first guy because I had a paid attorney and Stewart was a early bird so I'll be the first guy in my court tank cuz CCB Court downtown LA court is a big ass Court there's dudes going like 2,000 3,000 dudes going to court every day I think or something like that or or or I don't know cuz I don't know how many guys fit on one bus but when I would pull in a gang of buses are pulling in so imagine 10 Greyhound buses how much people is that n it's probably a couple hundred right a lot maybe a thousand I don't know so whatever I go to court I go to one tank second tank then I get to my real tank and and then um I get in there and he's not there he's already like an hour late 45 minutes to an hour late boom he comes in and then they call me that he's coming in boom I get up Shalom babe Shalom and then um and then and then I'm like what's up he goes you'll be home tonight by 700 p.m. I'm like what how he goes well okay this what's going to happen we're going to plead you out to voluntary manslaughter you're going to get six years but we're going to give you a joint suspension a suspended sentence you're going to be out on 5 years probation you you got to be good because anything will trigger the the you'll come have to come back and do four and a half years or whatever finish off the sixe sentence if you want to you'll be home tonight by 7 p.m. you want to sign the deal I'm like yeah you know by this time you know my dad has cancer man a lot of things that happened to me I I don't know if I mentioned this before but when I'm on the run my sister lost four babies no she lost twins two times no yeah you know so and when I was over there I'm dying this is my sister I love my sister you know and I was close with her I'm over there like losing my mind I'm like crying cuz it's my sister and I can't I want to hug my sister you know I can't even tell her I love her I just wanted to call her and be like hey you know what I don't whatever I just I just want you to know that I love you so like you know I was happy I'm like that I'm going go home and my sister was out there in the crowd my mom and my sister and my sister's like what she's like tripping out my mom's kind of like what like kind of crying and I'm like my sister's telling like hey he's going to come home today you know so like a lot of happened to me like that I remember that day that that happened to my sister think I'm weak you know um my sister's kid was born with leukemia and um she had chema therapy and she was okay for 10 years but now cuz she's approaching puberty it's all kicked in again I know how you feel brother it's like really traumatic and horrific and the most horrific thing anyone can go through uh as um you know how can how can how can that happen to a child you know an innocent child it's um yeah so that I remember that day that happened to my sister right it felt like the day okay I I think I missed this when I told you the night that I aired on Fox 11 right the very next day I'm in Mexico down deep in halis school right and I'm just like walking down the street and I I feel like I'm out of it I remember I walked into a store and I I got like a six-pack and I pounded the whole six-pack like in five minutes and it didn't get me drunk or nothing I was just like like and I and when that happened to my sister I felt like that like hopeless like damn and I remember I had I had this big gold chain and I just took it off and I gave it to this lady I go here I just gave it to a random lady on the street it was just gold chain she was like is it real like she didn't she didn't believe that that that that I why would I do that why would a guy give her a gold chain you know for no reason I don't know I just and then so back to that day okay I get this deal the judge is like okay all parties agree yeah okay boom I go I go underground under the courthouse and I pop up in another tank sign the deal and then everybody starts going back to the tanks right so they're loud you know how they Court tanks they're loud everybody's talking talking lying telling stories I was rich I was I had 10 girlfriends everybody's telling their stories you know and um and I'm there and I'm like crazy I'm going to go home today but I was scared I'm like what if they pull something out at the last minute so I called my boy Jay and I was like hey fool that's it I signed I I go home today we're like woo sh it's on we're going to do all this we've been planning this music this uh clothing like we're doing all this all the way now cool so then um so then um we uh so little by little so there was a dude that was in court he he stayed in my dorm so I wrote him I told him look this is a kite take this back over there and it it was like a little fake kite I don't know but it was just saying this guy there was a dude that was fighting life I told him he gets all my pictures so I had Stacks and stacks of pictures he gets all my pictures this other dude he was a reader he gets all the books all the food goes to another dude like I split everything up like they all lifers all guys that were fighting life and then um and then there was a guy from my neighborhood in the tank and in the LA County Jal they sell like these fake cross trainers they look like Nike cross trainers so I would go to court looking fresh brand new Blues my brand new whites so my homie was we're sitting there I didn't know him I met him there we're talking and I'm like I'm like here take off that clothes I'm get you all this brand new shoes here get do they fit you here try out so so they so then they put you when they put me then the tank started getting smaller nobody said no I'm alone in the tank they take me to another tank and it's some two dudes a black dude and a Asian dude right but the black and the Asian dude they're gang members so the cell's quiet so you know I'm just watching them they're we're all watching each other so it's just there's like it's like there's no tension but there's because everybody's going home but there's still that there could be that last moment like get it in real quick and these two dudes right these two like regular dudes just regular Mexican dudes and the dude's like hey man he he was getting released you're kjo right yeah yeah he goes man it's my birthday today and I'm getting out today you think I get an autograph whoever it is you're out there you could verify this for me it was his birthday he was getting out of jail and he wanted an autograph so I gave him a little autograph on his little release paper that he had and then um so they left it was now me the Asian dude Asian dude had long braids long hair G up tattoos all on his arms you know he was gangster fo black dude leaves now it's me and the Asian dude so we're in that we're not talking we're just looking at each not we're not looking at each other but we're like we're aware of each other you know they call him out I'm in there alone for like now it's like it's true now it's like 645 and then and then they finally come and get me and the the the paper the sign out paper to get out is exactly as a parking ticket and it said 187 on it and it was like a little ass the stupidest papers you release paper they gave it to me you go through where the buses come in the gate opened up and my girl and my sister were there and I had like they G I had a paper a black paper jumpsuit and black Crocs that's what you give you so I walked out and then um we're walking towards the towards the parking structure whatever it's like and mother the is there's so many homeless mother everywhere like La had changed I hadn't been in La I left like 20012 2002 now it's 2018 16 and a half years have passed you know so is different and um and and the first thing when I get in the car I'm like call K call my daughter so they FaceTime her right and they tell her like hey somebody wants to talk to you and then I pop up on the screen and she starts crying and she's like why you guys playing with me she thought I was a cardboard cutout and they were messing with her and I'm like nah it's me mommy yeah I made it home and we're both like and we just like you know we we cried she's my baby you know she's my baby girl so then it was kind of like um it feel good and I go to my mom's they had a barbecue ready for me you know I eat beans carada chicken you know salsa tap you know everything you know you know um be the whole how we do it the Mexicans how we do it do it up and then um and and then um I said I left for my wife and they were like my mom's like what you're not going to stay here I'm like no something else happened in my life I'm I'm gone you know I seen my dad I seen I got to see everybody and then NE you know so it feel good I'm home I'm home now you know then I have I have to I I I stayed in another County but I was on probation in LA county and I went down and I had the coolest probation officer her name was um what was her name forgot her name she was so cool and um Mrs I remember she told me you she said one time you do you boo boo you do you uh I forgot she was she was super cool so one time I was trying to go to the Bahamas with my girl right and I called her for a month and a half she never picked up on me and then finally she called me back she's like you need to come and see me so I'm like ah what the now but it was just like a random like you got to come and see her you know so I went in there and I told her I went with my girl and I told her yeah I was trying to go to the Bahamas she's like man you're in compliance you should have just left and I was like really and that's when I'm like well I'm hitting New York started hitting Chicago I started hitting like all these cities like I started like like going everywhere I've had been to Texas I've been a lot of places but now I'm like revisiting these places and now I'm doing these rap shows here rap shows there I'm like running all around right and she was just cool with me and then she kind of like then I did the movie I went and did the tax collector and then she would like promote me to other like probation hey my guy's a actor or whatever she never bothered me she never she let me get a passport cuz I wasn't allowed to get a passport she signed off on it she gave they got me the passport then I I was leaving the country I was just like you know I was just she was she was a blessing I I got her name but I can't like it's there but I just can't remember I'm sorry you watching this but you were cool you were dope thank you for everything and um and that's it like my my I mean there's more I've been there's I've been going through all kinds of but but you know like I gotta I got to remember sometimes because I forget wait a minute five years ago six years ago your life was hanging from a string you were in limbo so I got to remind myself no I'm not in competition with nobody cuz I felt like almost I need to catch up cuz I was watching everybody doing this and these guys were doing that I feel like I needed to catch up but then I'm like nah I'm In My Own Lane and I always been like not really part of the you know I was been over here doing my so there's nothing that that nah doesn't get more intense than facing the death penalties so go from facing the death penalty or facing death you are now no or facing death I fa death gang of times over there I faced it in LA I I telling you we grew up in that we grew up in that and I lost a lot of friends but a lot of people lost their friends too you know so we we it's like since you're young you're like entrenched in Civil War you don't know it because you don't it's just normal everybody's doing it everybody's involved in it that you don't you don't recognize it you're just part of it so you know you don't you don't um and you credit that skill set with getting you through everything and in a way yeah then I I came back with more skill sets I came back with more skill sets and then more skill sets and then now it's just like I just want to like see the world and travel and you know and just like I don't know like like like being taken out of my comfort zone when I when I was and then being on the run and I can't be here too long I got to keep moving and and changing and all these things I think that help me now because now I don't like I'm from La I represent La I'm a la baby but I feel like I'm a TJ baby too you know and and and and I don't I don't like some people feel insecure leaving La their world so little they're so boxed in in this mindset that they don't want to leave why for what but me I don't feel like that I'm like you know I just want like I'm here I'm here and and and I said this before like like no matter where I go like I was in Scotland right I was here last time too I was here in London Liverpool I was over there in Scotland and Dublin and Belfast and all this and everywhere I go I always scope everything out and I always I think like could I make it here as a fugitive how would I do it what would be my angle who would I Ally myself because it's different people there's a lot of like there's a lot of Muslim Brothers here there's a lot of Asian people here it's a different whole dynamic a lot of different accents as well you go one hour and accents completely changed yeah so so in Mexico I'm Mexican all I got is just get the accent down and I'm straight you know and and but like so I I I always think like okay could I do it would I go to Spain cuz I had a my my my brother-in-law had a cousin that was a fugitive in Spain for 10 years from Mexico Mexico came and got him and now and he's back in Spain he because he got married has kids there so he's come back to Spain but um I don't know if there's any questions you want to ask me it seems like everything you've been through has made you have a whole new appreciation of life and travel yeah would you say that you're at the best point you've been in your life psychologically yeah I mean I'm like everybody sometimes you know I still you know like I think like I'm I'm never going to get over it whatever I went through I'm not going to get over it I always going to have it in my head and and and things I seen and things I participated in or things that happened to me all these things they're they're me they're always going to they're always going to be with me you know but but at the same time I'm not that no more you know that's already I just gota I don't I I forget you know sometimes we I just you have such like like we grew up in some like a negative way of thinking that the it's just easy to like run with that you know no this this this you got a second chance at life like d like I'm not trying to you know I didn't come back to LA to be a Dodger fan or a lake where Laker I mean I love those teams whatever Lakers Dodgers whatever but I didn't come back for that nah there there's you know I think my story is like like like for the Youth it it might not give but it might give somebody some hope like maybe one two kids you know that that that you know that that's going through some sh you know cuz when I was in the county like all my little homies were coming in from my hood but they're young you know like early 20s and I'll be chopping it up with him and and I can't give him no advice what advice am I going to give him I could just that's why I always tell me what what advice could you give to youth I'm like nothing I'm just like them they ain't going to listen to me I wouldn't listen to some old ass fool trying to tell me what to do when I was young but but all I could I could the only thing I could offer is understanding and comprehension and that's that's all I could give like I could hear you out and I could just be like I you know I hear crazy from the little homies they tell me some crazy I laugh I'm like damn that's I went through this like they they're going through it you know is is their time to shine now like I I I'm not out there on the street like that so I can't really I feel like un if I was out there then maybe I could State my opinion to them you know man well but but I don't feel like I can because that's what I'm saying some older dude would tell me that when I was young like man you're not even out here I'm out here every day you can't tell me nothing you know I think a lot of people are going to be inspired by this it's just one big life lesson your story in itself but I also think a lot of the viewers are perhaps thinking about what happened to some of the main characters in your story okay the dude the the dude that that tried to get me killed with me and my daughter he ended up getting killed on my birthday like a year after I got out crazy crazy documented death and um when was it was yeah it was like a year after maybe two I don't know and um my my codefendant the one that beat the case before me he end up getting he ended up getting killed by a uh da informant uh stretch he end up dying this this this past year a few months ago he just died a few months ago he died in the cell in prison so I mean you know my daughter she's 15 now I got two two little ones two more little ones now oh congratulations man thank you and then um you know I don't know look I'm here in London to shoot a movie right now I'm here shooting a movie with Jason Statum and sylvesta Stallone wow you know it's different now you know and and as much as I love the hood you know well I'm I'm like doing other things now you know and and and the homies that got love for me they love that they're like they're proud of it they're like you know it's like if someone could do something they all could do it you know it's like like you know how they say if you make it we all made it through you you know type that's it you're not preaching you're inspiring yeah yeah so so they and they come to my shows you know I do when I do shows in the a lot of my homies come you know and I get to see them and I get to like reminisce and and and they like bring them stories like like like the other day I had a show in I did a show with Slick Rick Slick Rick the ruler in Riverside right and two of my friends showed up one just did 30 years just got out and he goes man I haven't seen you since 1994 when you robbed that white boy in the LA County Jail you and my other homie you guys robbed that white boy and you guys were getting sent to the gang module and and 94 I didn't even remember that story until he told me I'm like oh yeah yeah that did happen crazy I remember that and then I had another friend I think did 26 years straight he just got out the feds so like I get to see homies and chop it up and and you know I don't know it's just it's a different time too it's a different world it's not the same world you know you can't really do the things that we were doing back then now you know technology technology and and and you know like I think that okay when they ask me too what advice would you give the youth I'm like I don't know but what I would like what happened to me was that an attorney like let's just say Nicholas Rosenberg that's my other attorney he could like someone like him could come to the hood and break down law for us and be like look if you do do this you you going to do about a year and a half if you do this you're going to do about four years if you do this you're going to do a little bit over 10 if you do this you ain't never going to come home and break it down and and and and look they're going to use this technique to get this like I think that that's like strategy and you will at least become if you're still going to be a criminal you be a smarter criminal okay I got to think this through right and so I could maneuver my way out of it better then I would just do something like you know but how has the meaning of life changed you from the young person to now I mean I don't know it's cuz when now when I see my little kids like family I wouldn't I wouldn't want that for them you know like now it's like like my son got long ass hair you know braiding him up he has long hair my daughter um scar she's like smart as she's super smart she's 5 years old she's smart she was telling me about the solar system and then just I don't know life you know you know like I think that what I'm doing now I'm just enjoying my journey I'm just enjoying the journey like that's what I'm saying like I'm here about to have a fight scam with Jason like on Tuesday or Wednesday I don't know when when we're filming that but but you know like and I get to I like I'm like a people person I like meeting people and like from different walks of life and chopping it up with them and like I I could get to see their world through them you know and and then that makes me like hey I want to go see that world or whatever you know so um you thought about writing a book I mean people have stepped to me I don't want to write it like I've been asked you know and I'm like well I want a woman to write my book because I want to like be written from like a woman's perspective like some loving like that I want whoever there's a a book writer an author out there that wants to write my book but you're a vetted writer I don't want no you know person coming out the Woodworks a vetted writer want to write a book about me let's do it you know I I want to I think people want I've been asked that several times you know yeah or fools are like fool you don't want to do they you think there should be a movie about you I'm like yeah but now that I know about movies more I'm like they're not coming at me with the right budget it's going to look bootleg as the right budget to do AO mini docu series or whatever the you know so it looks right and so fol could enjoy it and and and like put visuals to some of these like the interviews I've done they could put the visuals to it and be like oh sh you know I get it any questions you going to shout them so we can hear them got anything well I wasn't wa she entered in like the last six months before I got arrested so I I was like I was in Solo you know I dated some chicks over there but it wasn't like it couldn't be real because I could never they it's like I was living a uh like it was it was I was I was like James Bond they could never know who I really was so how far can I go it's like you're living a lie like they would know me by my fake name so it's like would you think she helped to save you in oh yeah yeah yeah she's she's she's she's she's like man she's so inspiring she's such a powerful woman like like I've never met nobody like that like her like she's just like she might be a mess without her cuz she's like she she puts it all together and I don't know she's just she's the best good yeah yeah she's the best and you know yeah I think that that's that's one of the main things and now was the kids and and I don't know I just think the journey the journey and it's like you know life is life you know yeah life is life there's there's like little obstacles and you stumble and all these things happen but but you know we just we just got to keep moving forward and and I don't know I don't know what to say I don't I'm not like really have advice for people just that that's this is my story that's it that's all got anything paral no I didn't I didn't write for look this this is when I was in there I like I I lost my spirit I was just like I didn't feel like cuz everybody that would come in the dorm would be like hey spit something and I'm like nah I don't feel like that I'm not I'm not I'm not that energy is just off you know and then this is crazy cuz I didn't write nothing I wrote two look there's a song that I wrote I've turned it into a video you guys whoever's watching it's called semi-automatic that was the first rap that I wrote while I was in jail and that that was after like a year and and because on Friday nights they would in the dorms they have like like it's almost like a party on Friday night and dudes would like play beats and F would rap sing songs for the whole dorm like and it and and everybody always wanted me to rap so I was just like I'mma put one together they're always asking me and I'm always turning everybody down let me just spit for them one time you know but but what happened was I never felt like writing right but like around 3 months before I went home I one day I just woke I didn't know I was going to go home first of all I didn't know I just woke up one day and I started writing and when I came home I came home with like three or 400 songs I forgot what it was three or 400 songs about like 150 hooks I was just writing writing writing writing I had well you know I dropped 80 albums when I was on the run so there I was inspired by my environment so I just was like and then like see every time I would record see I would write an album in one day I would write 10 songs in one day and then the next next day I'll record the whole album in one day then I would send it to the engineer I would and then I would edit it I would edit all clean it all up I'll send it to the engineer they hit me with the master back and it'll send it off to LA and then boom it'll come out digitally so when when music when I was doing music it was still analog CDs but sometime in the beginning when when I went on the run the digital game came in so that made it easier for me I took at full advantage of it and it kind of cut off the paper trail I didn't need CDs I'm going I'm streaming now and then like so people see the fans kept me going too because the people like the the the the underground culture what they did they felt like they were aiding and abating a federal like they I got the new this is the this Fool's wild this fo's dissing every rapper he's threatening fools he's just he's he's you know so and then my environment too you know you know when when I'm with good people I'm good when I'm with wild people I I'm wild you know so I think everybody's like that you know you rise to your to your occasion you know and and I I had crazy inspiration over there and and okay I would do these albums I didn't I didn't know how to do that at first when I first went on the run I didn't I didn't know how to record an album in one day that happened one day I did it and then it was like it it would be like man I might not make it what if I get raided to tonight I'm going record a whole album tonight and boom and then I would drop it some albums I would be proud I'm like oh they're going to love this song Whatever right and the come out and um and people would uh like you know and then sometimes they would come out and I'm be like then I would like I think I'm like man I'm up man this is too much I'm doing too much they're going to close in on me I'm I'm I'm I'm doing way too much you know but then I get away with another release and then and I forget again then I'm a flood then I would be like I'm going to drop two albums this month there was times when I dropped four in one month where I was just like like a machine like I was just like recording recording recording and then like dudes were coming up to me and like dudes dudes that I knew that were like like in that world in that life and they would be like hey write write this and a rap but don't put my name in it because you might get me in trouble you know you might get me charged with some [ __ ] so I don't know that's that's I don't know if I answered that question or not but I can't I can't do it now now that I'm now that I'm out well I could do it all the time if you see I drop I've been dropping a single once a week again now but like my last album real album that I dropped was called the reset or the reset Deluxe I worked on it for like two years and and that was like that was like a to me that's probably like my best work because I used musicians I did all that like I made it like a studio album you know and and like like right now I'm working on an album it's just like a whole Rock album it's like some Rage Against the Machine type and you know I don't know I'm just sometimes I'm like even that like some fools are like what the is that fool doing but the thing is they don't they don't they don't think like me you know and sometimes just regular rap that don't inspire me who's could say the most gangster I don't know if it's real or is it's just not I rather just do other you know and and you know my rock more geopolitical than yeah I'm I'm always going to be a a gangster you know whatever or or whatever street street cap so it's going to have that edge always but it's more like geopolitical like what's going on in the world and and things you know like and like it's like I never cared about elections you know in Mexico elections are super corrupt and you see it but now then I come back over here and I'm like oh I'm tripping out how everything is you know and I'm like i' seen that in Mexico just over here they have a bigger budget but it's happening you know and and just everything in the world you know like the the I'm more inspired by that than than anything else you know would you say that suffering pressure and being put under intense pressure hardship is conducive to Art some some really raw art I mean it it happened like that for me I don't I don't know if it could happen for everybody but it happened to me like that we're like I I just um I did this I did several mixtapes I I did this mixtape why it's called the Antichrist but that's because I had just read Frederick nii and I was like I'm stupid let me just do this it's gonna with them they're gonna think I'm satanic but I'm really I'm saying like I'm against the grain I'm not like you you guys are trendy you guys follow whatever is trendy and you guys try to survive in that world me I do whatever the I want and then um he called everybody out didn't he the church everybody yeah yeah yeah yeah so so that was I did had a mixtape called the Antichrist mixtape and fools love it to this day like I seen it it was on on um eBay one for $500 or $600 you know and then I did another one I I did another one called Scarface do cuz I was like man you know Scarface from um rap a lot he's always been like one of my favorite rappers you know and U but I'm like man I'm Scarface I'm Scarface 2 so my mix called Scarface 2 and then a lot of people love that one cuz I just used a lot of Beats that that no one could really floow to and I and I I like you know I merked them you know and and like I had there's a I use The Far Side Run but my [ __ ] was really about running about you know being a fugitive so all these shits are real you know I make them like about real [ __ ] so they can't compare you know and I don't know I just I love recording music but now I like I think I like acting I like acting better not better but like it's just different and it's like it's like the next level you know what do you think about rappers going on some of the big platforms like no jump um Vlad TV things like that I mean ah you know what I don't even care I don't know because uh no jump on them they they someone right they reached out to me to go on there but I'm not really into podcast like I'm not this sounds up like to say I don't I'm not a podcast [ __ ] CU some dudes are just their whole based off of that like let me go on this podcast on that podcast and that's how I'll keep my career alive I don't think I need to do that like I who know my f know my story my journey speaks for itself and and I want to be selective you know like like this one is perfect for me you know you could tell I'm been chilling I don't know how many hours been going almost four almost four hours see that's what I'm saying so I'm I'm I'm just like you know it's not about like gossip and you know we it's just about life it's like just real life you know and and just it's about my journey yeah we mostly get people have never told the story before get that out there it's like but um you you know you've really opened your heart and soul to us today and we really appreciate you spending so much time with us and for the viewers you know who've sat here and watched for almost four hours do you have anything to say to them in conclusion and where can they follow you on the socials and I mean we're going to we're going to put it in the bottom all the links uh my Instagram my Facebook my um uh YouTube page page my merchandise I have we'll put all the links right there you know cuz I don't want to say it yeah what it is on the on the YouTube version all the links will be there but but it goes out on various audio platforms where there's no where to put links so they're just hearing it okay if you go if you go to those other platforms like Spotify make sure you go to the YouTube after that and then go you'll find me right there you know and look out for this movie it's going to come out I mean was dropped about a year after they film it's I mean I I hope that's how it goes you know yeah and um hopefully you guys will see me in more movies for some reason I play a good villain I don't know why but I can't wait to see it yeah so that's about it you know shout out to everybody out there because this this is a new audience right here usually I've been on the other podcast and it's kind of well I did John Bern that was a new audience and then I did American trolo that was like to my core audience but this one's to a new audience so um I'm glad to meet all of you guys through this format and hopefully you'll reach out to me send me a message I'll get back or you know just take it from there and blessings to everybody uh shout out to London um we're here love this country lot of great people it's a great City it's dope and um SK mob much love and respect to wherever you are watching this in the world don't give me h brother wow what a journey you've taken us on wow fantastic well done y yep yep

Channel: Shaun Attwood

Views: 73,601

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Length: 216min 16sec (12976 seconds)

Published: Sun May 05 2024