Anthony Scaramucci’s Advice to Trump about Getting Re-elected in 2020

you've been around President Obama you've been around President Trump what is the biggest difference you notice personality-wise between the two I'm gonna tell you the biggest similarity they're gamers and they want the ball when the buzzers about to click they're not show Cortis ok those guys know how to win I went into the White House where they changed saw in a hockey mask right but he wanted to hit me as hard as he could hit me you don't fire a guy like me like that well you know what when you're an entrepreneur you're trying to create a win-win environment you're trying to add value to people's lives but as president from Trust today I mean I think one of the things that I'm proud of is I never broke ranks with the president okay so my recommendation of the president has just calm down relax if the swamp thinks you can be bought they love you of course it's not really a swamp it's actually a gold-plated hot tub with no drink sure to hand you two bottles of Cristal they give you the Cubano and you hang out in a hot tub right if they don't think you can be bought they're coming to kill you all right so today we're sitting down with the former White House communications director and the founder of sky bridge Capital Anthony scare emoji thanks for being a role going on Patrick I got a good little go ahead role yeah you get a good vibe get a good or a great suit I appreciate I can say the same thing about going on here so what's cooking you've got a lot of interesting things about yourself your background you know you've hung out with some big personalities obviously I know who you are when I was going deeper I said this guy went to Harvard at the same time Obama went to Harvard and you guys played basketball together yeah and you was there the Supreme Court so how will see how was he taken was the Dean there she's now on a Supreme Court yeah you know look you got to get born in the United States and you Providence gives you a good brain if you're a hard worker I hustle my way into Harvard Law School so a lot of good things came out of that right I got it the Goldman and then I started my own business and then I started the process of networking a lot of people you know I mean I grew up in a blue-collar family with a tight budget you know it was a middle-class family so we didn't really have any connections in any country clubs or alumni networks or boarding schools or things like that so I mean we had to make it ourselves so who were you in high school if you and I are 16 17 we know who were you I was a Guido that took dance lessons at dance Vanessa Benson I had every move that Tony Manero did I knew how to do going to discos we called him discos I don't even nightclubs back then I was doing push-ups in the parking lot of these discos try to block my chest up from my Camaro I had extra shirts in the car in case I wasn't having a good time in there like connecting I would go back and change my shirt just come change up the car mom I learned how to drive a car when I was 14 got on my first car accident when I was 15 I was delivering motorcycles up on the Bronx in Harlem at age 17 change a chain on a motorcycle place the carburetor I had that kind of an education and you have to remember if you work if you grow up in a motorcycle shot where I work from 13 to 21 you learn a lot of what goes on on the street you know you got Hells Angels coming in there you got Malcolm Forbes coming in there you got Billy Joel coming in there I mean it was a very wide eclectic mix of people and so I can you know tell you something I'm very proud of I always tease my uncle who's 91 years young guys amazing guy really the first entrepreneur of my family I used to tell my uncle that you know I'm proudest of being the only person in Ghost motorcycles employment history to go to the Harvard Law School only yeah I am absolutely confident that no any like night my mother thought it was Harvard Law School they were absolutely went to tuft university right yeah so when I called her I got into Harvard Law School February 6 1986 which was Reagan's 75th birthday for those people following trivia at home I called my mother landline phone obviously I told her she was okay that's great that's in Harford I said no mom it's in its Harvard it's in Boston you sure that's not a hurry it's Hartford law school right she really didn't believe no clue she had no clue you even know the difference between Harvard or Harvard or anything care not with no books in the house growing up that's pretty amazing for you to go to now you want to you want to get your JD and be a lawyer and then you decided to go finance so how did that transition take place for this I'm going a different direction I want to totally express to your viewers the level of Eva Tay my lack of global understanding my lack of awareness so I read an article in the paper of my junior year at Tufts that lawyers at Cravath Swaine and Moore law firm the probably would never have hired me while the starting salaries in 1985 or $65,000 a year so my pops was probably making less than that and so I said ok this is great I'm gonna law school I'm gonna be financially set for life I'm gonna go become a lawyer at a Wall Street law firm so what did I do got into Harvard went down there and paid the tuition deposit and I got the phone book of the Harvard recruitment firms so every law firm in America that was recruiting from Harvard and I got the alumni directory and I spent two hours in the admissions area cross-referencing all of the law firms on Wall Street I didn't realize that Wall Street man like you could have a law firm in downtown uptown Midtown Chicago I thought you had to be on Wall Street so I looked at all the Wall Street firms I typed up my resume I plotted the alumni from Harvard at those Wall Street firms and then I went down at Wall Street I got the number one Wall Street which was the Irving trust building he's now gonna be a condo but on the 28th floor this law firm called use Hubbard and Reid existed I rode up the elevator there's no security I get right to the the woman at the reception area I'm wearing my polyester suit my polyester tie and my polyester shirt and I say hi how are you I'm here to see Worthington labs come the 38th or whatever right I don't want to give up the guy's name he's buzzing so he comes out he's got the suspenders on and the pipe I mean he's right out of central casting from like the Paper Chase and he says we don't have a mean what are you doing here I said well you know from the Harvard Law School I just got in I'm desperate for a job gonna come and see you in your office we talked for about 15 minutes is okay I'll hire you I'll give you 8,000 hours hey can you make a tent I had no money he looked at me says wow he's you're a little bit of a push the guy I said I have dollars an hour yeah so I get $10 an hour time and a half was 15 I worked the entire summer for him and I hated every minute of it and so when I got to Harvard Law School by the time I matriculated there I had already decided I was gonna be a lawyer so I spent three years there what did you like a run it just wasn't for me you know there's too much library time too much research it wasn't as he got into your 30s 40s and 50s that you started to become more transactional and I wanted to be the principal I didn't want to be the person that's assisting the principal you always got different personalities and so that was wasn't for me it's been three years in law school trying to be not a lawyer I tell people I learned two things in law school you won't hear what they are don't be a lawyer and avoid lawsuits those are the two things I learned but why though why don't be a lawyer you know it's a grind what a chase per se kill all the lawyers you know it's a grind being a corporate lawyer unless you have the right attitude and personality and temperament for it it's a grind you don't think you have to write a personality and temperament for it no so of a deal person or more shots alcohol more sales or interesting so I want to organize a business and run a business I want to use the force of my personality to meet people bring them into my fold so at that time when you were with Brock how old was he he was in his early 20s at 1900 of me so I'll tell you the president is probably um he's 5 58 59 Custer he was older than me I was I was two years ahead of him in school but he's probably three years older than me so I he was class at 91 I was class at 89 so we didn't really know each other one of my favorite stores I supported him in 2008 and I handed him a check and I said listen we didn't really know each other in law school senator but I want to lie to all my friends and say that I knew you you cool with that he goes hey if you double the amount of the check we could take it back to Hawaii all right this guy's got the Mojo right he had the fix ya know so I did I doubled the amount of the check and I raised him money and I was fairly non-ideological at that point and I figured how many times in my life am I gonna meet end or know somebody that's gonna possibly be the president United States it turned out more than one time but I didn't know that yeah I mean you're again that you arrest me on who you've been around pretty interesting and how it happened so how did you transition from doing to subscribe you know where you starting your own firm now you have been run eight billion dollars oh so I think it's important to tell you that I was at Goldman for seven years I left with a mentor of mine there was a couple years older than me and 22 years ago at the age of 32 I started something called Oskar Capital Management which was a registered investment advisor so like yourself and weirder I took all those tests I was managing money we did it for five years we sold at the Neuberger Berman they sold the Lehman Brothers and I left Lehman Brothers before their famous bankruptcy and I started skybridge capital in March of 2005 it's almost 14 years later and we've got ten billion dollars under management 60 people for offices and for a very brief shining moment I was in the comms department as the White House communications director for 11 days for President Trump and I worked on his campaign for a year and I helped him raise money so you've been around President Obama you've been around President Trump what is the biggest difference you know there's personality-wise between the two I'm gonna tell you the biggest similarity and they probably don't like each other that much but they'll be mad at me both of them for telling you how similar they are ok they're gamers you know they want the ball ok I want to put the ball in the hoop and they want the ball when the buzzers about to click you know so these guys are gamers they're not show Cordes ok those guys know how to win a second thing about their personalities are very headstrong they see things a certain way and they're gonna drive the agenda there's two different types of leadership right you know we've got a thermostat in this room there's a certain type of leadership that says ok what's the temperature and they guide themselves towards the temperature and then there's another type of leadership that's a thermostat I'm gonna dial the temperature and the world's coming my way I'm gonna lower the temperature to 72 and the whole world's coming with me or I'm raising it to 78 and the whole world's company both of those guys are thermostats they're not thermometers where they're gauging the temperature you know like Secretary Clinton all due respect to her is very gifted person but she's more of a thermometer you know she's putting the finger out there she's trying to act like who she thinks people want her to act like so she can become president that's not these two these two are like take it or leave it this is me I'm gonna grind you through the wall and if you like me I'm gonna be President if you don't like me I got things to do so let me ask you what's how are they different yeah they're different in the sense that they see the world ideologically differently in the President Obama he probably sees the world through a peace and social justice model from classes that he took in the mid to late eighties about peace and social justice and so this is more of like the know I'm Chomsky and Sal Olinsky sort of model that there's an unfairness and a non justice in the society and people of color have been treated unfairly and we have to push their agenda and to redistribute and make the society more balanced some of that's true so it's Allah Sophocles it's just purely topically Trump is more Trump as a guy that's never been discriminated against so therefore he's not racist but he doesn't have any empathy for people that have been discriminated against cuz never happened to have got it Obama would stand in Harvard Law School and try to hail a cab because he was black he couldn't get one try to hell a cab of Columbia's raising a saint again he's not gonna get the cab so that's things might of course my grandmother she was walking around here 7800 years ago said Nina and no Italians need to apply so Trump's I read any blatant discrimination that's manifested against him doesn't make him racist it just makes him not totally aware of that dilemma of people that have felt that discrimination in their lives that makes them very different that makes them think very differently about policy what is it to work with these guys because I know you said something one time you said uh Nixon once said people are willing to vote for somebody they dislike but they're not willing to vote for somebody that dislikes them I think you quoted at one time that was Richard Nixon well they were asking Nicks he said hey you probably didn't like me but they gave me a landslide I was in the 1972 landslide his point was that the American people are results in their orientation but that presidency is a popularity contest and it's a reverse of what you think it's not that they have to like the guy but they have to think you like them he's remember you're getting invited into their living room every single night you're becoming an additional fan they're gonna know your voice as well as they know their children's voices and their parents voices and so there's a couple of things that have to happen you have to be in the game with them and some of they think is championing them or at least a large part of them going back to the personality found working with President Obama or President Trump you know you get Trump that he gets the criticism saying you know the first two years senior executives on his team 62% have been fired in the first two years versus Obama I think is 24% is when you look at these polls how different is it working within Barack Obama than it is working with a president Romney in Ferren really works super closely with brocco mom i bundled for him met him a few times or in that people as well a bundle I went out and got money and bundled it together and handed it to his campaign but it didn't really work with him day-to-day I did work with the president president Trump day today and so I can tell you about his personality very likeable gregarious guys guy when you're with them but he is somebody that's very demanding he does have a nature to his personality where if you're in syncopation with him like Mike Pompeo is then that's great there's no daylight they can telepathically finish each other sentences they're gonna go along great but if you're somebody like Rex Tillerson that you're oil and water you don't see the world similarly or you're butting heads or your intellectual odds that's not gonna work out if you're John Kelly where you think your reputation is better than the president's and so you think your holier-than-thou that's not gonna work with somebody like the president you know for me I got in there and I got in there at the wrong time I got a good relation with the president got in there at the wrong time I made a gaffe I made a mistake I trusted somebody I shouldn't know if and you know Kelly used that vulnerability to wipe me out and at that time there was so much turmoil and uncertainty in the White House I couldn't really get the support I needed from the president or from his family members to keep me but the flipside is those people gave me the opportunity I blew it with my mistake I'm accountable as a human being and I accept my firing him I mean I think one of the things that I'm proud of is I never broke ranks with the president I mean I got blown up humiliated in the media excoriated but you never seem to break ranks yeah not that kind of person if this was if this was a you know you've probably seen Godfather many times you know if this was a mafia mob family you you didn't go out there snitching or throwing them under the bus now if I came out and said I apologize I did say this in the past before when I was betting on other people to win and I was betting on Romney or Clinton in the past or whatever what I write I write in my book doesn't have started it open the president when I was attacking the president when he was at a candidate and they show and only did it one time was for three and a half minutes and they showed that in perpetuity until I got myself fired but what was happening was he was attacking hedge fund industry he started that fight so how he likes to say he's a counter puncher I'm a counter puncher I'm in New Yorker sure he started that fight so one of the best tweets and my favorite tweet is when he referenced me in the tweet on Saturday after I got my job he said in all due respect Anthony scaramouche I started that fight with him you know I mean it so that diffused it right away I said look I'm sorry I did that I'm glad to be on the president's team we were fighting with each other but that's New York you know if you and I knew each other we're from New York where you get into a spat unfortunately with him because he's Donald Trump everything ends up on a camera or underneath these lights so it's recorded forever it's like a tattoo but I remember 10 years ago there used to say somebody a politician from New York cannot be the president this was like eight years ago when Chris Christie was hey what if he comes out Giuliani and here Giuliani was I don't think anybody from New York and then Trump comes out and becomes who he becomes you know his style of leadership the one thing I wonder you've said he likes it when you are comfortable being yourself around them where you don't change yourself to be around him but is that really the case like I see it is it working with President Trump like you come into the room you do as I say and you're gonna be okay or if I push too much and I'm too ambitious maybe like a Kelly I'm gonna be ousted how does that work out because it seems like there's not really one way to work here here's the thing I would say I mean this is what I found again and everyone is a sure impression here's what I found let's see you're the president if you got the aura from me that I liked you okay and I totally trusted you and you were my guy then he gave you wide berth of latitude to talk to him in a very honest and constructive way you see that and so so he doesn't like sycophants I mean the point I'm trying to make when I made that statement yes when you're sick of antics is somebody like President Trump he gets bored he doesn't want that you know and so what I also say about the word sick of fancy and this is for your entrepreneurial viewers if someone's kissing your you-know-what be careful that is a sign of selfishness and it's a sign of self-preservation it's not a sign of loyalty for me to tell you how great looking you are every day I tell my staff you tell me I'm tall you tell me I'm right we've got a problem you tell me I'm short and I'm wrong now I know I've got a relationship with you and so so what I found was the president is you could be honest with him you could be direct with him provided that you were respectful you've respected his age difference between you and him he respected his authority you knew he was the boss and you were not but you could be honest with him as long as he felt from you the aura was hey sir I'm being honest with you because I want to see you soar I want your poll number to go from 42 to 52 you sued him saying yeah so so so he needs people he doesn't have that many but he needs people that will not alter their personalities when he walks in the room and that's very hard because he's a part of United States you ever been in the Oval Office never have it's a it's a it's a personality altering office I don't know too many people that walk into the Oval Office and they're not awestruck or they're not awestruck by the magnitude of the presidency or they don't start thinking about the person that's behind that desk differently than they did before he got behind the desk you know there's a there's a flip in your brain you know when you were a kid in the third or fourth grade well you were an Iran but I was here in the United States you're a kid and third floor they're talking about the president you think the person's like Batman you know I think he's like a superhuman person and by the way even though these people aren't and they put their pants on the same way you and I do there's lingering Batman in your brain from the third grade you got that there's a lingering specialness to the position and the person that's sitting in the seat gets endowed with that so you gotta be super super careful or maybe respectful and you got to be looking at it with the right attitude you gotta tell the truth what I hope to help the guy yet that's an art being evident on how to do it because you know when I when I look at him as an entrepreneur myself you're an entrepreneur yourself you know you're told there's philosophies on how you hire hire slow fire fast I don't know if he's hiring slow I don't know if he's fire hiring fast hiring fast it almost seems like it's alright on the team I don't know if you're gonna fit you know you come in and so that goes against doing a little bit more due diligence but it's every being entrepreneurial right so the problem for him he's got a fuse match gets struck on January 20th you've got four years so you've got about 1,200 1,300 days that's it so now the match is struck and there's a fuse going it's not like you run in your business or I'm running my business I get a 30-year run if I run the business properly I can think about it over a time continuum of 30 years he's got a four year run so he's probably cycling through people very quickly yeah I'm quoting them because you said he runs a like an entrepreneur and he fires fast so yeah no you talk about me Jesus he runs like a starter you're saying the you know and the adages hire slow fire fast yeah and I like that adage I'll probably start using it but he doesn't have that luxury he's hiring and firing fast do you think it's because he doesn't have a lot of allies you think that's what it is what was that he had to disastrous picks as chief of staff he made the classic mistake that somebody would make and I probably would make the same mistake he's a non-politician let's say that he wants to build a golf course but I've got a higher golf course people mm-hmm let's say that he wants to build a building or a condo he's probably gonna hire condo people okay well in this case he was hiring people that are governmental people to help him build a government and so you know he put the creature of the Black Lagoon okay in charge of the swamp as the White House chief of staff I mean this guy Reince Priebus is like a walking disaster okay he is the elemental avatar of everything that America dislikes about Washington and so he makes him the chief stan never understood that I'm what do you do Stan I don't know it would go back and forth and he says I got a call from trumpets that he's not gonna be the candidate we're going a different direction I'm talking 15 16 like early stages of its own octo after the axis hollywood davie Tolman's drop out he hated the president so why would he hire him though ah well I think what ended up happening was the president made correctly an assessment that there was a positive attribution to the Republican Party ground game that helped him attain the president's the other and he was trying to reward Priebus and he thought he was a good administrator but you can't hire the creature of the Black Lagoon to drain the swamp when every impulse every grain of DNA in the person's body is to add more water add more swamp water to the swamp I think of a previous tip Priebus basically blocked every single person from New York that was on the president's team and he couldn't block Jared or vodka but every other person got blocked give me a shield shield it prevented every person from getting jobs in the administration all I see what I was supposed to do PL director he blocked me told stories about me told lies about me he ran opposition research about me he told John cat some entities a well-known entrepreneur here that really bad nefarious stuff is gonna come out on Anthony he figured I was Italian and I worked on Wall Street for 30 years so I must have done something wrong and so he had opposition research people digging into my past he couldn't find anything okay so he was a very very dishonest very he's one of the worst people that I've met in my life so far actually yeah one of the worst people ruthless dishonest without conscience and unbelievably diabolical and it wasn't really that smart interested in so what would really not that smart people do Patrick is they make up for it with their ruthlessness and their guile they'll do things that you and I would never do you're an entrepreneur so definitionally and if your business is successful you have to run it off of a platform of ethics you can't really run it as an unethical enterprise that'll eventually get caught no eventually get caught and so it catches up with you so you have to run it off a platform of ethics and honor and which is what I do at skybridge so I didn't anticipate the nonsense that Washington would do to each other so I'm not in my DNA I think you would say that about John Kelly as a human being you just disagree with his decisions he made right you wouldn't put him at the site say something differently we just know he was a more honorable guy he served the country John Kelly is a gold star family memories lost a son on war he's a decorated four-star general in the United States Marine Corps so there was an honor to that but I would say that John Kelly was a round peg in a square hole you know he had the wrong personality for the president in the wrong temperament you can't think of yourself as being better or having a better reputation and the person you're working for that's never gonna work another thing John Kelly did which I totally disagree with he was too militant in the job see his firing of me not to make this about me but I'm just giving you a case study example in management the way he fired me in the abrupt the way that he fired me actually was the match that he struck for his own demise because he set the culture up in a way that was militant and intimidating and it caused people to create more insecurity and more backbiting and more paranoia he could have said to me hey ant you did a disastrous thing on the phone and that's absolutely fireball offense I don't want you working here in the White House but you serve the President and you've been part of his media advocacy you worked on his transition team and you seemed like a good enough guy why'd you take two weeks off okay and when you return on Labor Day we'll come up with a story that you're leaving and so this way you don't explode out of here okay that's what we would have done on Wall Street right but he wanted to hit me as hard as he could hit me okay and as I tried to point out to him you don't fire a guy like me like that because when you fire a guy like me like that you're sending an earthquake and a shockwave into the system like oh my god if they could fire a guy like him like that what do they do to me right when I told the president is what John did to you was unfortunate because he did something to you that made you look very bad and it made him look very good and his job is to make you look good he's her chief of staff but it made him look good like he's John tough guy in the John Wayne movie as a u.s. Marine and you allowed him to do it to one of your buddies that helped you elected okay so I made you look bad and made him look good and it caused the match to get struck to lead to his demise so my issue with Kelly is more of a managerial issue and the way you interact with people but no he's not a nefarious [ __ ] you've always got an individual it's not a member of the Leviathan like rancid penis or this guy Adolph Bannon I mean these guys are like you know this woman yeah I mean this guy's a horrific guy so you know why I believe in God tell me because well you know if you ever have I believe in guys I raised my parents I believe in God but like we have doubts in your faith you know what I can think of I can reflect upon Steve Banta is a very smart very articulate guy very well-read guy very seductive guy but God made him so ugly Patrick he is so ugly that he saved the civilization from Steve Bennett you know with that nose and that face and he dresses in contemporary hobo nobody gonna take him seriously thank God okay so so this guy's a human disaster okay I would debate this guy anywhere on the civilization I debate him on a live stage on a youtube channel I with the Batum in a public square because he's got a lot of facts but a lot of those facts are twisted in his brain and he has a very evil egocentric nefarious agenda and you could put a real hurt on the civilization if he was in power God again thank God he looks like that who is president Trump trust today who does he trust today he's obviously trust minuchin Steven minuchin Mike Pompeo I think he's got a very good relationship with Jared obviously he trusts his daughter Ivanka there's other people in the administration bill shine remember I was recruiting bill shine right now because you know entrepreneurs I I don't want to be the smartest guy in the room I want to hire ten guys that are 10 times smarter than me okay so when he gave me the coms job I'm like I'm out there best guy for that let me go hire the best guys I'm gonna go hire bill shine it's president of Fox News he would be able to figure out how to do this way better than me so I'm very happy that Bill's there you know a people hire a-plus people and by the way if you're listening to this and you're not an a person put some delusion and your life started thinking of yourself like an a person because if you think yourself like an ape you will becoming a person and a person's hire a plus people D people hire F people see people hire D and F people B people hire C D and F people write you know a proven is like a C+ person you know he was maniacally insecure maniacally paranoid and so you can take this equation that I have in my brain it's a quadratic equation on human emotion insecurities under confidence always equals paranoia and backstabbing you got eighty eight nine hundred people working for you the ones that are complaining the ones that are backstabbing the other people they're insecure they're under confident I don't have to say any bad about anybody I'm I can stand on my own two feet is no problem you're gonna hit me you're gonna try to take me down then I got to go after you no problem because it's not for vengeance for deterrence you see I told previous why don't you knock it off or you're gonna create a mortal enemy in me what do you want that well you want to knock it off and so now we're squared was the less immune M spoke never speak to the guy I spoke to him on the 28th of July that Friday when he got fired we flew together on Air Force One to Long Island president is making an ms-13 speech and we had this like cold dead stare towards each other and grimacing hellos to each other were you speaking at all was there any kind of dialogue how you doing fine I'm not I'm fine got it was it bad people do yeah okay you know what a beautiful hate those people because America people right they can smell that these people are bad let me ask you this you know the wholesaler well that would be way worst and then they thought you know how you hear about the dirty part of politics mhm if it's that dirty why are people getting into politics why what you know well I mean I did it for stupidity reason you remember the story I told you earlier in this interview that I read that they were paying people sixty five thousand dollars a year by anyone ten bucks but you know I'm stupid you know the playboy guy he's interviewing me after I got blown out of the White House and of course I only read playboy for the articles I just want to make sure everybody's clear on the purpose of this YouTube channel but the guy's enemy says hey people say you're smart but you're very politically naive I looked at guy said I totally disagree with you I'm not politically naive I'm politically naive to the ninth power okay I went down there as I was gonna help out I didn't realize that it was a zero-sum game and they were gonna kill each other there's a lot of people that snicker at me so well you're an idiot you're totally naive well you know what when you're an entrepreneur you're trying to create a win-win environment you're trying to add value to people's lives and to your employees when you're an animal that lives in the swamp known as Washington you're in a zero-sum game I'm just not built for that I'm not made for that as dirty as you thought it was is it how much more dirty or is it terrible terrific so one of the best things about Trump look Trump has turned the lights on and the cockroaches are running everywhere you're like oh my god these cockroaches are way bigger way nastier and way longer in their longevity to survive than we originally thought interesting they don't care about the American people do not care about the memory they're very focused on the preservation of their own power their egos their vanity and how much money they can make while they're in the game but not care about the American people I mean you know that's some 5% of them you see that when one of the things I say is entrepreneurs those are driven and driven by freedom they go become entrepreneurs they just kind of want to go out there leave me alone let me do my thing let me build my business and if I feel great if I don't I know obvious a big weakness for me in the White House I tell you what tell me so if i had you know i was at Goldman for seven years well let's say it's thirty five years ago Goldman is a great organization and it's a entrepreneurial but it's a political organization by the nature of its size there has to be some levels of politics in it right but if you're running skybridge capital and you're the managing partner you know there's politics inside of skybirds I've tried cars but we both know that there are but I'm at the tippy top of the food chain chose my tree house sure you see so I'm treated differently in my own tree house so when you prefer that I do when I know that yeah when I moved in to the comms job I I was handling that job the way a entrepreneur would handle it not the way a political operative would handle it that's my fault I have to own that too that was a classic Stig born from stupidity and inexperience I should have taken the job and said okay I'm now a Washington political operative let me slow myself down let me watch how these animals work with each other and then let me pounce when I think it's appropriate that's not what I did I went into the White House where they changed saw in a hockey mask I probably shouldn't have started my first thing with a chainsaw on a hockey mask and so one of the other fatal flaws for me in the White House was I put my pride and my put my ego into that decision-making sea so Priebus and Bannon were blocking me from the original job I was gonna do the president's networking officer they blocked me from that job so I spent six months figuring out how I was gonna get in there got myself in there and then I turned the chainsaw on and went after them that's pride and ego and so what I would tell your listeners from Yoren or from my end from your end those are that was any time I get for saying that because a lot of times well isn't this an educational it is absolutely and it's a teachable moment for entrepreneurs I let them know these are mistakes that I made in my life and in my career that were very costly don't make that same mistake learn from my experience so I put my pride and my ego into the decision-making I hurt myself do you think apart any time I put my prior to my ego into my decision-making yes frankly I have hurt myself yeah because when I saw you on TV you'd get up and you dress the questions poised calm like no one could get upset at you you were just very and that that period it lasts there's a kind of disguise gonna be around for a while you know he's handling it so well you know it's almost like you couldn't remember when Kelly and Conway would be on TV and everybody would be furious because they couldn't argue it was like what do you say to her she was holding on her so very well similar thing with you and then I obviously you read about what was said and all that stuff you know on the car remember some no I said that stuff you should go listen to the recording I said that stuff to somebody I thought it was a friend it was an Italian kid from the neighborhood next door to me his father knew my dad for 50 years and so I actually picked up the phone and call him I was teasing him about the information and then I was asking him and then he gagged me that's tough because that's so possible you trust in that world array that's my that's why I said it was naive to the power I thought he was a friend he was not a friend he ran out and he did something to me that hurt me it created a level of vulnerability I mean it caused Kelly to eliminate me from my job and it caused Trump to allow Kelly to eliminate me from my job I said okay this guy is inexperienced he made a rookie mistake he we can't have him make a bigger more disastrous mistake of that fire so they knocked me out of the job okay and so I own that so that's another cautionary tale if you're in Washington and you want a friend do what Harry Truman said buy a dog nobody is your friend nobody is your friend okay so that was another mistake I made so pride and ego and trusting somebody that I shouldn't have trusted those were two big fatal mistakes but you know there's beauty to those mistakes because I have owned them here's another big lesson accountability there's another big lesson don't be too proud okay open yourself up and put it out on the field for people because America likes comeback stories of course Erica like yes the idea that hey this person's expressing his flaws he who has not sinned or he who doesn't have a flaw throw the first rock okay I've yet to meet a person that's flawless and so those are many I'm gonna have a whole phone book of flaws but those are ones that took place inside the White House yeah I thought for sure you were gonna be around for a while temperament come I thought this guy's gonna be a [ __ ] see me I could believe something you've seen me on TV I have a good temperament I don't lose my call listen to the roar when you sit with Dickens and liberals the way you do it they like you people who disagree with you they like you well because I have the right temperament Vanessa if there's a listen to the recording he wrote the story like I was unhinged and some kind of a maniac just gonna listen to this the recording it's me talking to you Tim the way I'm talking to you he says to me well we want to do a profile on you in The New Yorker and I'm laughing I'm not gonna lie I'm gonna want a profile done on me in the New York I'm here to serve the president what do you think I'm self-promotional like Steve Ben and I'm not Steve banning blankety blank blank that's what I said the same way I'm talking to you right okay oh except cameras are robbed yeah then he took the thing and he ran too and right never cursed on a live television show I've never cursed on a interview it's not my personality but I'm a neighborhood kid I grew up in a neighborhood I was driving the car at 14 I'm you know I'm working with Hells Angels at 14 you don't think I've said a few curse words right by the way you think I'm the only person in the West Wing of the White House in the history of the White House it's cursed I think they were so is dad oh yeah I mean I think everybody knows it was it was used as a foil the establishment wanted me out of there you know the press conference that you're referencing uh-huh so I give that press conference 40 50 million people see it it lasts for 35 minutes I come off the podium the president liked it I get a call from a Republican 30 years in opposition research the guy says to me you're dead I said I'm dead what do you mean you can't talk like that from the White House you can't tell the truth like that from the White House you're scaring the lights out of all of these politicians you want the truth here's the truth we are out of whack with our deficit absolutely crazy that we're spending this amount of money relative to the amount of money we're taking it you want the truth okay we have to cut back on the entitlements and right-size the entitlements we've over promised the whole generation of people had a prison has nothing to feel about the way he handled it he was fine was finally but the other guys saying you know these elected leaders we're calling this opposition research guys grow amen what do you got on this guy we gotta get rid of this guy we can have this guy telling the truth got it it's like a few good men you can't handle the truth I kind of like your approach doc and I like the depth them made me because you don't you got Shawn spices a joke I mean he's like liar spice I don't know how he got high every I've no idea how he got every spice girl has a nickname his liar spicy so he's liar spice from the Spice Girls I mean come on this guy's a joke okay and also you think that you can talk with that level of disingenuous nobility whatsoever it's a joke never understood him but let me ask you this question let me ask you this question yeah here's a question so Michael Cohen obviously you saw what happened with Michael corner he saw his sit-down with I think it was who was he with George yes and you see him he's going back and forth and he's saying what matters to me is my my family and I had to and I'm not gonna let him take my legacy etc etc you know Anthony what is the difference between a snitch and a whistleblower today I'm not a big fan of the whole thing to be honest right so I think that the whole whistleblowing thing for me I'm a big fan of that either you know I'm not one of these self-righteous moralist okay if there's something wrong in the system let's say you're running the system I'd rather go to you and say hey man Patrick the system screwed up you got to cut this out okay and you know and start a reform movement inside the system then run out to a television camera and in quote-unquote snitch or whistle blow on you okay as it relates to Michael is a very complicated situation there you see because there was sort of a toxicity ultimately between their friendship and their relationship okay because Michael and I've said this to Michael and I'm friends with Michael you know Michael became almost like a groupie to the president he admits it he felt like he was indoctrinated into a cult so now he's a groupie for the lead singer in a rock and roll band and he's enamored by the crowds and he's enamored by all the things that are going on with a rock and roller and then the rock and rollers boozing and doing drugs or sleeping with different people you know Trump's not boozing or doing drugs I'm just give me the metaphor for Raul's yes and so now the groupie is overly loyal to the rock and roll signal and he starts making misjudgments he starts making decisions that are regrettable there's symmetry you know I don't like a snitch and I don't like a what unquote whistleblower but I also dislike people who cut other people loose okay so if the president's guilty of anything here it's asymmetrical loyalty okay that's an accusation that's been made toward the president and the president should really step back and think about that okay because loyalty is symmetrical loyalty should go both ways so you can't expect somebody like Michael Cohen to be loyal to you if you're cutting them loose and blasting them on Twitter that's not gonna work you start blasting me on Twitter we're gonna war you understand what I'm saying yeah I'm gonna be very loyal to you I like you as a guy I may not like every aspect of you I may not like the child separation policy I don't like to disavow of the intelligence agencies I can select things I mean I like the broad strokes of your agenda and I like you as a person you know Mayor Koch had a great line we're in the great city of New York what did he say he said if you agree with nine out of the twelve things that I stand for you should vote for me but if you agree with 12 out of the 12 things I stand for you need a psychiatrist okay so you're never gonna find a politician where your fingerprint and their fingers are so powerful think about it that's so powerful I'm not gonna sit here and say that I like everything about the president and every slice of the thing I don't like to everything about just about anybody and a lot of people don't like things about me sure I'm cool with that right but what happened there was there should have been symmetry to the loyalty circuit between the two of them and there wasn't so that kind of backfired backfired so so it's another lesson number one if you're young kid watching this popular podcast don't be anybody's groupie I don't care how talented they are I don't care how charismatic they are I don't care how many fans they're attracting and you want to be part of that allure don't be anybody's groupie okay that's number one number two loyalty is symmetrical has to go back and forth between two people if you're being overly loyal to somebody stop it you don't owe that to anybody those are lessons interesting it's been a great life experience for me by the way as miserable and as humiliating as it was at times you know the way they tumbled me right they grinded me up and the way they tabloid me it's been a great life experience you've been handling a world I'm not meeting you without the live experience by taking it out on Saturday life's stage last Saturday without the live examine you so it's fine you know how you know how it is being in business is you get you have to read people as well and your unit you got intuition you got to read people you do it all the time from the moment you came here you walk the whole thing you're asking questions what's that book about you from Iran were you Christian are you Muslim why are your name Patrick what's your real name you're studying so you have to always study you're on all the time my study on you is I don't think you're done with being in the Oval Office I don't think you're done doing stuff with politics I I know buddy is gonna bite back I don't know I think I don't think me no I think there's something first of all back the Oval Office they're not gonna run the risk yeah and it's a something that I believe first of all it starts with aspirations I think if you feel you can bring value then that's the part luck for me if I know for a fact I can bring value in a place I'm not even listen magic you're summoned we double the size of my business okay and so I'm a young guy I'm gonna double the size of my business honey bill your twenty billion go to 20 billion on right management they can get that done in five years you might be back on your podcast and then we'll talk about otherwise let's talk about that so mark it why don't the date for me what I don't like about what's going on is that we're gonna run the country down the drain because we got a bunch of leaders that actually don't care about the country okay so we're gonna let the country that you love that your family dreamt about where you showed up in LA you built this great business in Dallas and anything is possible in this country ok we're to let the country go down the drain I'm gonna let that happen you know what that happen am i letting that absolutely not the flipside is they did a good job of crushing me and they hurt my business and he told so many lies it was just ridiculous okay then they blocked me in the whole sophia's process we have a Chinese investor that Tesla but they apologize they came back in the apology you talk about the ten billion dollar is my is my country and Nationals my company a national security risk of the country it's a fun two funds second show right okay so that's how Washington operates right so no whining here's more lessons for your listeners no whining in sports and politics I got my effing ass kicked but I'm like mayhem in the Allstate commercial dust myself off and move on there is no whining in sports of politics okay just the way it works okay so now I got my business back I got my family back we team talking about my almost divorce which was another disaster so I got my business bag I got my family back I'm gonna double the size of my businesses and then let's see what happens after that yeah it got a great life experience for me you know half the time people hire others that have been through hell and back because you need somebody like that cuz if you haven't been you know why is Trump able to handle it because the politics in real estate in New York is pretty ugly enough that he tried to go into Vegas yet to deal with Wynn wouldn't try to go to Atlantic City these are all political things that he's experienced he saw the stuff that his dad had to go through Fred so that helps that helps to be able to handle it out entirely stuff his son he's he's Ty's sob that I know he's a tough guy yeah and I don't think anybody else could handle what's going on right now at the levels it is if it wasn't for me so it's then why they're so against him though right because he's a antigen in their environment he sure represents change they got to kill him metaphorically otherwise there's another billion or coming in it could be a left or right leaning billionaire you think Tom Styer Bloomberg you think Tom Steyer or bloomers have an easier time to drop to kind of try to kill the guy because they can't be bought let me tell you Washington I don't very young birds gonna have a tougher time than Trump I don't think bloomers gonna have a tougher time if he you think he's gonna get the nomination no I'm not no no no no not nomination no I mean I'm saying if he sits let me tell you something yeah here's how to do it to look at you they say bought can't be bought bought can't be bought if the swamp thinks you can be bought they love you of course it's not really a swamp it's actually a gold-plated hot tub with no drinks sure they hand you two bottles of Cristal they give you the Cubano and you hang out in the swamp and swamp with them in a hot tub right if they don't think you can be bought they're coming to kill you they don't want you anywhere near their game they want you they want a guy like me from the White House exploding exposing what they're doing to the American people I don't want that let me explain to you how the lobbying circuit works you want me to explain to you how they curry favor with each other and how the senators are allowed to incite or trade inside the Congress and they're feathering themselves at tens of millions of dollars pursuant to the regulations that are tied to the businesses that they're putting their money and their personal accounts on they don't want all of that exposed right I gotta get a guy like me back in New York man and by the way we're gonna opposition research you they wrote a negative article about this poor company hna from China every single week while I was going through the city's process when the Sidious process stopped and the deal broke they stopped writing the articles hmm you think that's a coincidence no yeah brain okay so so so listen they American people gonna have to make a decision right now they like the lying they want their Social Security checks paid on time the Medicare paid on time and so they know that the the country is overburdened by the entitlements and we're outstretched from military perspective all these things so they like the line let's see how long we can perpetuate this thing right in the long run John Kane said we're all dead so let's keep perpetuating this thing and see what happens but whoa you got kids I got five of them I don't want that I don't want the country to be destroyed for those people we're gonna fix it can't sit here anymore and say oh whoa no fix it fix the problem address the problem we have no politicians in the country Patrick that have a twenty five-year plan for America you know anybody anybody that you've interviewed that says here's my twenty five-year plan on infrastructure twenty five-year plan by education there's there's a because it doesn't allow them to stay in power with right now is in the staying power now our system doesn't is about this affect the people in the middle sit on the fat tails the right leaning guys will stay in power the left leaning guys will stay in power and let's butt heads in the middle so that we can appeal to our base but what you're suggesting means no term limits that's what you're suggesting I'm suggesting something different I'm suggesting in our national interest no matter how long you stay in washing yes two presidential terms a senatorial term sure it doesn't matter we should collectively be focused less on right or left leaning strategies and more on right or wrong policies okay we in our national interest when you have a crisis in the United States the left and the right figure out a way to pull together that's what they did after the second world war that's what they did to fight the Cold War and so now we're not doing that we have no idea didn't have as much influence as it does today it's true but we all know with no existential threat we have a very fragmented media yes you're getting more ratings on your YouTube channel and some of these local television stations so I don't know what's gonna happen but we have to fix it okay and by the way these problems are not fixable in a minute in a news cycle and a two-hour interview or a two-year congressional term but over 25 years there's not one problem that the United States has that cannot be fixed not one and I and and I I agree with that but I think some of the things systematically has to be changed so let me let me ask you this question about media so you know a lot of times people say things like you know Alex Jones recently was banned from a hundred different social media platforms you can't be on PayPal you can't be on patreon you can be on Facebook Twitter all this stuff permanently might also experience some fragrance experiencing a little bit with YouTube all this other stuff and you keep hearing about it the shadow yeah yeah the shadow Bannock shadow Bannock shadow banning but this is the question if if media right now MSNBC left CNN left Washington Post LA Times New York Times I mean I can go all around right why aren't some of these guys the Koch brothers have all the money in the world why don't they get together with a you know Rex who is a former CEO of Exxon who has access to the right context why don't they create some kind of a social media platform why are they not a missing to some question maybe at some point they will I know that I know the Koch brothers looked at a couple of different media properties to potentially buy and then they thought they'd have to go through too much FCC craziness you know what I mean the government by and large is left-leaning and the policies in the bureaucracy is by and large left-leaning and so what's weird about the whole thing is that the universities very large percentage of the college professors are left-leaning yet half of the students are right leaning so it tells you that brainwashing really doesn't work you know the number is Washington Times now Washington posted an article saying for every one conservative professor there are 12 liberal yeah professor okay well yeah the number says 87 ninety percent that are liberal versus conservative yet half of the kids are right leaning and conservative yeah so that tells you something that you know you're not gonna be able to brainwash people which is why the left is so scared right because that's why they have this whole collective be swarm you know don't let him on this TV my god we can't let them on TV you know he's a trump supporter please ban him from CNN his eleven days in the White House don't allow him to be on CNN I mean I've seen all the robots hit me mm-hmm and his eleven days of fame or is 11 minutes of fame or up and okay but you have to understand something my voice is gonna be heard whether you like it or not it's just gonna be okay sorry you know I'm not gonna walk into the shame box that you built for me and to sit in there with a dunce cap I'm not doing that I'm gonna go out there and explain myself and I'm gonna bring as many people with me to galvanize them now I can't go to my alma mater as I referenced okay they will not allow me back on campus because I'm a trump supporter I had to resign myself ledge 256 P oh no no problem I resigned guys no problem you don't want voices like mine on your campus I had a 36 year relationship with the school gave them a lot of money they're saving me millions of dollars no problem okay University of Chicago you can go there they have a free press policy there but most of these schools don't so what does that tell you there walk home Berkeley by the way they're they're wrong about the they're wrong on the ideas if they were right on the ideas why wouldn't they allow a free marketplace of discourse like on the idea yes the concern though the whole concern is the fact that there aren't platforms that at the top they're open to both right there are not a lot of platforms that allow somebody to come and you know voice their opinions like for instance a fat Jerry Springer on I've had you know Gloria Allred on I mean you know Gloria already is saying you know we've also had Alex Jones on and we've had you know pray grunt sometimes I just wonder you know why from the top some investment if there's ever been a time to be able to buy your Twitter to be able to buy you know the guy from Salesforce just about Time magazine for 350 million dollars with just nothing to be able to buy somebody special I don't even see paid that much actually if you really look the point is think about that alternative deferred comp I only paid 180 million but but you know Time magazine when we were kids is a different thing than it is today it's a well known brand but it's in a fragmented environment it's a much smaller pizza slice of what it was now maybe he can innovate I will tell you that the Washington Post you got to get B's owes credit of course the Washington Post is in a full-blown Renaissance he's hired great reporters it's left-leaning okay it's not my I'm not in love with the paper I'm not in love with the papers editorial section but he's doing what's yours but I am impressed with what they're doing okay is an objective bystander and moreover I only did one thing of official record in the White House other than a census Sara's of position as press secretary I turned the lights and cameras back on people don't remember this but Sean Spicer had the lights and cameras off and he was trying to punish the press not allowing them on television hey dude grow up okay it's the free press you just threw in and then let me tell you something we got a hold people in power accountable that's how it works in a free and democratic society think Sara Huckabee Sanders is doing as well as anybody can do in the toughest job in the universe seriously okay that's the toughest job in the universe okay there's a Martian right now observing the planet saying well I'm glad I don't have Sara's job that's a rough yeah do you think president Trump's gonna get reelected thank you you do yeah and knowing the fact you're in the financial industry right now you've been in it for over 30 years ten billion dollars under management what do you first see taking place I know March 1st is a big day for tariffs I know Wednesday federal you know rates are gonna go back up again opportunities in crisis what do you notice and what do you see in the markets correcting right now is that a very big boat run since its election but the bull thesis is still intact if the Fed raises rates I predict that they will they'll start to slow down the rate hikes to allow the economy a little bit more room for expansion and I think you'll get the expansion tax cut is gonna help it's gonna it's not a sugar high there's actually real stimulating things that are happening in the economy and he's making the economy from a tax effective basis he's making the economy way more competitive globally and so it'll be more flow of global capital into the United States so all those things are very positive the reason why I think he's gonna get reelected is that the mulher investigation no matter what they say about them will likely not knock him out of office it will not in my opinion it may in trigger an impeachment in the house but it's not going to affect a release of office or removal from office in the Senate that's my opinion if I'm wrong about that invite me back and I'll heat grow but I saw I think he's tough enough to stay in the position and what we know about incumbent Perez they almost it's almost impossible to knock him out of the game unless there's a steep recession and we're not gonna have that there's too much cash flowing around there's too much opportunity the forces of deregulation that he set foot in the economy are gonna still unleash a lot of economic growth so so you know I could be wrong so you're both something incriminating way worse than we've now been exposed to and we've had 19 months of this sort of rigorous investigation you know you got to find something if they find something and they nail him to the wall and he's quote-unquote unindicted or sealed indictment or something like that maybe he gets knocked out of office but I don't think so and if that happens you're seeing a big hit on the market if that does take place you would you would see a big correction lasting lightning run I'll give a name and you tell me the first thing that comes to mind okay here's lightning right okay Steve Bennett ideologically evil Jim Acosta making himself too much of the story but by and large very smart good journalist Joe Biden he fumbles the football when he hits the line of scrimmage just look at his debates with John Edwards and Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton and even going back to the Dukakis era thirty years ago Joe's a very likable Bible but very hard to go up against the jujitsu artists of mudslinging Donald J Trump Bloomberg formidable adversary so very competent Oh formidable adversary intra-company yeah very confident if he wins the nomination he'll give Trump a hard time I think so as well I think so as well Soros I think we do this to each other we dehumanize and demonize people and he's probably not that but he's politics are probably not for me but I don't dislike them okay medal roars got a cool name he looks like one of the Kennedys and so you're gonna get a ton of free media Moeller and he's a straight-up guy let's see what happens call me look I mean he's not gonna like me say that he just looked too sanctimonious and self-righteous you know what I mean you're writing a book called higher loyalty like you what are you better than all the rest of us I mean come give me a break okay I mean you you lied to the Congress you you leaked something you weren't supposed to leave you're doing stuff that everyone else is doing so try not to pretend that you're that righteous ain't ammonius matter I don't really just like call me either he's trying to serve the country maddis is a very smart talented guy very well-read Kelly I can't wait she's a friend of mine I think she's done a very good job and I think that by and large he's been unbelievably helpful to the president Bernard Kerik close friend he's a guy that you know I'd like to see pardoned president Trump flawed guy very well intended if he would just calm down by like ten percent his approval rating would go up 15 okay so my recommendation of the president is just calm down relax okay relax you made it to the presidency calm it down a little be a little more strategic with the tweeting used that sense of humor that you were famous for at the 21 club and famous for on The Apprentice and famous for and in places that you and I know that we used to hang out in relax okay and you're gonna go up 50% honey approval rating but he's a well-intended guy and I want to see him do well very cool while value Tanners you heard it from the one and only Anthony spero Moochie if you got any questions send us a tweet my handle is gonna be right here his handles gonna be right here with that being said brother let's you really enjoyed having all that I truly really enjoyed it thank you

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Published: Thu Dec 27 2018