An Interview With Bishop Dag Heward-Mills

you perhaps with the nine o'clock service and I would encourage you of course for those who were 1130 you need the message from the first service and if you're at nine o'clock you need Bishop DAGs message and I I just want to say a huge amen to everything that was preached this morning at the 11:30 service in regard to the purpose really of everything that we do but certainly the purpose of our prosperity and as I have told you as your pastor I I think it's a mistake anytime and this is what has led people into error is to emphasize one doctrine over another or as Bishop described it today to for you exactly what phrase you use but over emphasizing a doctrine and emphasizing prosperity for example and forgetting to temper that and balance that message with the purpose and I think as long as we keep our passion for souls how many know you know when it's God's vision then it's his provision and so money follows vision and as as sure as signs follow the word we don't seek the signs kind of here named in we do not seek the signs we believe God for healings and miracles we don't seek after signs we seek the Lord and we preach his word and we declare his word and believe his word and receive it and science follow and similarly I think in the area of prosperity so gosh I thought you were better this morning that I thought you were going to be yeah yeah it was really good can we give him one more hand bishop tonight these are how many where's our interns tonight all right and how about pastors care pastors cadre leaders small group leaders leaders who've gone through the five tracks where you all right good how many titers are here this would be interesting how many of you have been to the continent of Africa would you raise your hand okay keep your hands up just for only how many have been to Ghana one two three four okay five okay all right do we have a world map we could put on the screen I could show you here but in fact if will i'll get my finger on ghana and then you can zero in on this isn't it right in here yeah yeah where's the camera can you zoom in on that can you see that no okay there's gonna there's Africa and Ghana is right there that correct mr. Adelaide that's right okay that's a long way around the world brother you are a long way from home Wow you are here in the States for what reason and how long will you be here in the States I am here for to preach in your church and I was preaching at the church growth conference over the last few days and be with Larry stock still with livestock so and dr. Cho and dr. Julia and I'll be going to Toronto tomorrow and then to somewhere in Maryland and then Zurich and then to London and then home you obviously you're going to those cities on purpose you have churches in these cities churches in these cities and I'm holding what I call partner services I'm trying to rally support for my Crusades and evangelists now so I basically do Crusades and I need support for the crusade so I'm trying to get people to be partners you have you started the healing Jesus Crusades and I think we may Lord willing we may see video later on this and we saw some of the clips this morning in the second service from those Crusades and so recently you have made a change you have other men and women who are pastoring yes the main church there as we started a church in 1988 and that has grown into quite a large Church in Accra we have a new building there and then out of that capital city is named a crock Reyes and out of that church have come many young people like this and who have become pastors started churches and now we have about 700 different churches that have come out of the same church the original Church in a crime Wow and we are spread out in 52 different countries in the world Wow in Africa in the Caribbean in South America and Australia Papua New Guinea New Zealand and so on and the Lord led me in the last you know two three four years to leave the pastoral work and go out and have Crusades and evangelize and that's what I call the healing Jesus crusade so we started that about three years we've been going for about three years and it's grown from first crusade we started we had we arranged 600 chairs and we no one knew me as an evangelists so I was really scared starting but we started and they let this last proceed we had two weeks ago we had in one night over 53,000 people in attendance in Halloween who said so that's I mean the Lord has really blessed it and it's really growing and it's very very expensive and I can understand why there are very few evangelists Wow and and there are some of the expenses the expenses oh there are several things if you watch the clip we're going to show you see there many trucks as a lot of equipment sound equipment lighting the stage lots of metal structures we have to carry there this fuelling I have to fuel the trucks and people go ahead of the crusade they live there like as we're speaking are there people in Ivory Coast preparing and are people in another part of Ghana preparing they have to live there and go around villages and towns showing them videos preparing for the crusade months in advance we have to pay all the staff advertising what else is there Paden basses yeah we have our own buses we go with a fleet of about twenty four buses Wow yeah to bring people to the meetings because there are no buses where we go there there's no transport there are no buses some of the places we go to can be likened to the Garden of Eden there's nothing that has been there nothing has been developed as notice nothing you know I mean believe it but there's really just nothing less there people scattered all over who don't know the Lord and then we give I give a book to every one who gives his life to to the Lord a book a little book I wrote on gospel salvation good so the last crusade I give out ninety thousand Wow booklets yes to every single person gets that's my effort to follow up so we give out books and then I hold pastors conferences in the mornings and and that one also we give out books to the pastas actually we just found out that they value it more when they buy it for very cheap so we decided to just sell it that it comes to the same thing so we give every pasta you know who comes there a number of my books and you know generally this lets a lot of expense advertising billboards posters whatever you know and yeah and then we also clear a forest yeah cuz the places we go to there is no field there's no space so we have to pull down a forest and clear a huge space really yeah in order to have that crew say so it's quite an exciting we set up a tent we started with a tent and we've outgrown the tent so we don't have that per se in the tent anymore so we use that tents for the new converts classes so most of the meetings are outdoor now we've just moved out and moved at this year other than based on the one picture we saw this morning yes I mean no tents no tents so the tent is the stage yeah now and then it's used the people sleep under the tents some are their rainy seasons that you have to avoid and obviously and yes this rainy seasons weather or weather pattern has changed or you can't tell when it's a rainy season anymore so we just go and I've it rains it rains but so far we've survived but I know bunkie has had several who say it's rained off you started rains you you just go so we just expect if it rains we'll just stop come back tomorrow so every crusade lasts for five so we we go with a large team and we're there for five days basically a week takes a day to get there usually and you'd say that for five days if you mentioned today on a hundred thousand one hundred fifty thousand dollars would that be the cost of a crusade yes a crusade costs us about a hundred and thirty thousand dollars oh one resistor here in case anybody here wants to pay for a crusade and tonight lay hands on your neighbor say you are the next person to finance a crusade a bishop could you give us a little bit of your testimony because it's so unusual and and I obviously we don't have time for the whole testimony but you were a medical doctor that's right and you have such a good English accent so you were not raised your entire life in Africa so a little bit of your story and how you get into the ministry well I was I was born in England I lived there for just I think a month or two and when I came to Ghana as a baby my parents met in England and I grew up in Ghana all my life actually your father is not my father's gun in Africa is a huge continent is one little country learning thank you okay your father's galleon your mother is this my mom is Swiss from Basel she still lives in Ghana my father died some years ago and I went to medical school for seven years from 1982 to 1989 I qualified as a medical doctor and was in medical school I started this church lighthouse in 1987-88 we started and it's growing out of a classroom a little classroom and it's become you know a worldwide church now now how did that happen because you're in medical school preparing for a medical career yeah and yet you start a church well it started because of what we call the lay ministry working for the Lord whilst you work in whatever job you have so as a medical student ask any kind of student I believe you can preach you can teach you can have a church you can fast you can pray because I mean all students do all sorts of things they play tennis they play games they go to discos they have sex they do what they want to do and they smoke think you take drugs they do anything they want to do so why can't I do Church I can do Church it they can do that I can do Church that's and that's that's my philosophy and so when I was going to church and going around organizing the church and so on these two look at me you know and laugh and so on but they had things that they were also doing and well as they were fooling around I was studying so it's your choice really because everybody has enough spare time to do what he wants to do whether did you feel called to be a pastor at that time or were you just kind of no I felt the Lord wanted me to where I didn't know what it was oh I I didn't have all the right terminology yeah but I just felt I wanted to work for the Lord I felt God wanted me to work for him and I I just wanted to give everything to him and I've always felt that way and I still feel basically that's all I'm doing so when people ask are you an apostle are you provide I don't even know what I am I'm just trying to do something for the Lord show you if you'd like to know but after church okay you had many students that were students with you at the time that got saved came to the church became part of that yes yes we had many people who was in school with us then have stayed with me have grown up like my wife my wife was a law student I used to go around following up on her to see if she was doing well in the Lord hands and though she's she was she was okay I know what time she didn't like me initially she felt I was too zealous I was too strong so she would hide from me sometimes she would tell her roommates to tell to tell me that she was not in but she was that she was hiding behind her yeah she did it a couple of times and but in the end you know I found a little fellowship a little group and she joined the group with some other friends and many of those people are with me still from university days we've grown up together and we are all still preaching and having churches and working together wonderful Joelle Pastor Joe played the organ at my wedding I was 20 years ago Wow yeah he can still play and was it about the same time then that you started the church has it been 20 years yes about 1988 something either okay yeah wonderful you obviously now have proliferated with starting other churches what got you into church planting or sending people out and okay I would say church planting the main thing that got me the church planting was the kind of teaching that I seem to give naturally I talk about working for God and I find myself gravitating towards people who want to work not just attend and be cooks the little patted on the back encouraged and so I find myself talking about God's work all the time and teaching about that and I've there's been a very strong anointing on me when I have camp meetings I have a collection of CDs called the mechana it's a Hebrew word which means the camp and that's a collection of all the camps we've held I have held and I've preached that and as a very strong anointing in those camp messages because it goes for the whole day and people listening many of the people who are in full-time ministry today and who have given their lives the Lord can point to a camp at which they decided not to do anything else except to serve the Lord yeah and so I think it's that annoying thing that has trained the people and drawn them to just work for him and I've done has given me workers with whom I've sent out go here go here go here and in these in the line in the last few years I've had people who are ready to go anywhere I remember a couple living in in in England then the lady was a lawyer and her husband was an accountant see they were working in Nottingham in England and I mean the word accompany I once thought well I'm changing your profession you know and from that time she they didn't want to work for then you want to work anymore do anything just wanted to work for the Lord so I sent them as missionaries to Mali it's 45 degrees Celsius there and they weren't happily and recently I asked them to come back to Ghana and they didn't want to come you know and so we've had people going from all over everywhere they just want to go out there they want to plant the chair they want to do something you know for the Lord so my problem has been you know my problem is now you know having somewhere to send and the money to finance a mission but I have people and I'm sure these people look like people who you can also send to places can I have an amen yeah so I think that is what has led to the planting of churches and I find I found my interest in church members is in people growing from being a member to becoming a minister I believe every member can be a minister every member can preach can teach if they want to right so let's be the drif and I realized after a while that I better leave the church for a real pasta just train people and preach and evangelize you know so that's that's what I'm doing you're the Bible College and so you're doing do you do a lot of the teaching there I I don't do a lot we have a full time Bible College with over 500 full-time students and there they are in the school for four years then they have to be there for four years so those guys are wild wild guys I tell you they're all coming out graduating you they want to go somewhere they want to do something so they I don't teach at the school but they come to the church and I have Sunday evening services like this we call them impartation services and those services are I tell the check if you are not serious don't come in the evening it's for wow people who want to do something for the Lord yeah can I have an amen from from here you see the church can either be a family or an army or both and and there's a time when we have to move into the army mode which is sacrificing dying fighting you know fighting judge nice fighters it's a good fight so there's a time where we need to fight the devil is throwing everything he has at us and we fight him and we give our best and we give our young people the young people are the best soldiers can I have an amen from some young people so so that's how we got into church planting so I'm still very much a church planter but it's now I'm doing this crusade which is a whole new challenge but I find that it's exposing my ministry to many other non lighthouse ministries and that I think is one of the one more question related to church planning when you're when you are looking to send someone to some city to start church what do you look for in that person what are the characteristics you're looking for faithfulness faithfulness are people who have been around people who have been tested who have done things I mean just working in the church is a very good training experience but I can say for sure that you will never know who will turn out to be a good seed until you send them yeah because I think there are many things you just learn out there on the job if you are determined and if you want to do well I have a book here called steps to the anointing I mean if you want to be the ministry and you want to really bear fruit you will be looking for anointing you'll be looking for anything so it will make you study it will make you land and when you get out there on the field the issues and the things you meet will force you to land will force you to find help from anywhere and will force you to study you know that's what I find so I think those going out there as does there's no substitute for actually stepping out and trying your hand and I think I mean people are been in church for years they when they watch you or they watch any pasta they just learn how to by watching and then they go and do even in medicine you know to become a surgeon there's there's a formula we have what we call this a watch one assist one and do one that's how that's how you learn to be a surgeon that's how somebody learns how to operate takeout they keep me take out a watch one assist one and do one yeah so you watch then you assist you put on gloves everything you assist you assist several times then you do with assistance you know so that's the same way you can become a minister you watch you assist then you do good juda you have some questions oh my goodness sorry let's get started it depends on who you ask some Africans are very impressed with the American church and some some are not I think the church that is like the American church generally is impressed with it and said yeah yeah yeah III as a person I don't enjoy watching most of Christian TV that you have it doesn't bless me it doesn't edify me I can't watch most of the things I'm not blessed by it by many of the things that I watch it it doesn't minister to me sometimes I prefer to watch CNN and to watch Christian television that's low yeah you're Fox you get Fox me okay another question Judith I don't know how I got the passion for Souls I just have a passion I have a passion I think that's what the Lord wants so I think that's what he that's why he died for us I mean and I feel so glad to be saved because I think I could easily not have been saved when I look at myself and look at my life you know you know Andres song Andre Crouch I don't know why Jesus loved me I don't know why he care I don't know why he sacrifice his life all but I'm glad so glad you do where would I if Jesus didn't love me where would I be if Jesus didn't care where would I be if he hadn't sacrificed his life oh so I'm so glad Jesus loved me and died for me and I don't know of any other way to say thank you than to serve Him till I die and I don't know if any other better thing to do than to tell people about this and that was one question I had was after you do a crusade are you is one of your goals to start a church are you working with other churches or both or oh we work with existing churches to prepare for the crusade and they prepare counselors and fill up teams and so on that is one thing now the second thing is the books that we give out because that's about Christianity now that you are saved what does it mean to be saved etc so the book is a very expensive but important follow up to and then the fat thing is we have these fire conferences if you like that salvation baptism and new converts what you call it in the tent whilst we are there for the five days so every morning that is going on foundation laying yes yes yes so there's three three main ways we follow up and and I learned from bunkie because bunkie started giving out books recently you know and I felt it was a very good idea so I decided to print millions and kid how were you given away I I don't I don't have the figures but we just started this year so I know the Last Crusade was 90 something thousand so that's that would be the number of people who gave their lives to Christ over for that crusade so I mean we have Zen Crusades that's a million books yeah yeah Judah terms of vandalism people are spiritually blinded don't hear the word of God how important is the love of christ of latter than us when people are when people are spiritually blind they won't listen to you well I think it's um it's important to show the love of Christ and that's important but I think there's something more important than than that and that is I believe every ministry has 4 phases 1 2 3 4 the last one is the fourth before you you die eventually Jesus ministry had four phases his ministry injuries Bethlehem Way was born his ministry in Nazareth where he grew up then his ministry in Galilee where he had his miracles and all that and his ministry finally in Jerusalem where he shed his blood on the cross and if you read you know Jesus said go to preach the gospel in Jerusalem number one then Judea number two Samaria phase 3 and phase 4 the uttermost parts of the world and the Bible talks about the seasons or he says the early rain and the latter rain so I believe that many of us make the mistake of staying in Jerusalem with people who will not get saved in our ministries and from our ministries and that if we were to press on and go to Judea they would see much fruit and then there's a time when Julia's saturated with you and your ministry and then to Samaria and then to the uttermost parts of the earth so instead of staying with the old hardened souls who are so familiar with you you need to press to the next level then you see more fruit now I haven't been here for I don't know how many years but to me this jet has grown and when I was here there were no compasses but now there are compasses there are souls here here here here you know and it spreads but you could have stayed here you know I just say everybody should come here but you see there's more food outside this building amen and that's what you are doing so there's a group that is going to be tired of you you know and you have to just accept the reality that there's gonna have to come a time when you have to go to the next step the next group and minister you know otherwise where would where would the concept of missions even come in no one would ever go for missions because there's always people in your city who need Christ so I mean there's always a reason to stay here but I believe that it's a spiritual principle to move to the next level to bear much fruit very good very good amen Africa the u.s. good question because of the hunger of the people Bible says you see that in this book I talk about the keys to the anointing steps in under several things one of the steps to they anointed one of the things that holds us the power of God to come is hunger now the Bible says blessed are they that hunger and thirst after righteousness for they not everybody they the hungry ones and the thirsty ones shall be filled amen so there is a there's more hunger in sin please and this is the same thing I was talking about a time comes when the people around you are not hungry for what you have for what you are full off for what you are going to at for so you need to go to the next place then you find hungry people the the further I am away from home the more miracles I see the miracles I have are directly proportional to the distance from whom fella normals yeah I saw that dead raised in Colombia I tried to rate you know once I tried to raise the dead in in my hometown in a crowd I tell you I went to a hospital does this guy who died I went there I said close the door you know when Jesus said send the people out I said send the people out we close our eyes prayed over the guy he wasn't rising from the dead then I remember when Peter and John went to the temple and he held the guy by the hand and he said silver I'm gonna run or rise in the name of Jesus so I told them untie his hands cuz he was dead I held him by the hand rise in the name of Jesus he didn't rise I did everything until the nurses and whatever the hospital came to drive us out and I just said these guys don't have faith and I went on but the guy wouldn't rise from the dead I tried another time too I tried looking for lepers anything to do that was in the bomber I tried to do it and it didn't work but as I went further I saw what I was trying to do it just have in Colombia I saw the dead raised the next day they brought dead bodies came laden by the crusade platform covered in white bedsheets lying by me ambulances were so many ambulances cripples wheelchairs you wouldn't believe it and I was wondering if it was me and a lot told me I'm encouraging you yeah it was just something to encourage me I have tried to have miracles at home a prophet is not accepted in his own home I think it's a I think it's a first load I have dead people come to your meetings I hadn't heard that before you know you didn't kill everything that happens in America eventually affects what happens there but not so much not so much for now America is a very small place if there were hundred people in the world only five of them will be North Americans only five yeah there were 100 people in the world only five well we know 60 of them would be agents yeah 60 with the agents and 13 would be Africans yeah and 12 will be Europeans and nine would be South Americans and three would come from the islands clap for Jesus all right so America is it's not as big as you think and there is Judea there is Samaria and there's the uttermost and I want to say God bless america I tell you one other reason why America is a blessed place is because there is American blood not Marines blood but missionaries blood all over the world America has sent missionaries as preach the gospel has lifted up the name of Christ all over the world for many years even today the American church is more a money church is more of a prosperity church not a missions Church you know and we evangelize by sending money and going on TV you know but before we would evangelize by sending people you see but now we have the money but we can't send the people because nobody wants to go I mean let me interrupt right there and ask you and I have talked about going to Muslim yes and are you having some favor and success in gaining inroads into Muslim nations well Muslim nations are very very difficult to enter what is happening now is that the whole of West Africa for instance has become Islamic it's just quiet it's like something that's spreading because the churches are in the rich capital cities and we have mega churches there you know but we don't go out but the it Muslims they come quietly from the north and they've come through every poor place has Muslims everywhere so almost every crusade we have now is in a more Islamic place this this town we're going to next you can see on our website healing Jesus crusade is a town called born do Queen Ivory Coast its Islamic anyways Islamic I'm sorry repeat repeat that I want to put that up on the screen your website yeah healing Jesus crusade Jesus crusade org okay good yeah and every everywhere is everywhere it's basically Islamic so I mean and the Muslims gives their life give their lives to Christ miracles happen they get healed they actually give their life to the Lord they they do all that but after that you know you know cause it's it's official you cannot change your religion and in many Islamic places like in Malaysia it's a law now you can't change if you have Muslim you can't change to any other religion you know so that's what they want to do but so we are preaching so I think this is the reason why we need to go we need to go we need to go and you know goddess encouraged me to go and it's working you know so there are many many many places to go and I believe if we all go like we talked one time and everybody does his little part yeah you know yeah amen the church has a role of helping the poor ministering to the sick jesus said I was sick you didn't come I was testing you didn't come I was naked you didn't help I was a stranger I was an orphan you didn't help so all those things are part of the work of the church but they do not replace evangelism yeah they do not replace evangelism you know they they they ought to be done alongside because Christ came to save the world and if you give somebody food and he goes to hell you haven't really helped him you know so when you give him food right it helps the people to see that you have true love and that you really you're really loving but it does not take away from the reality that people are saved by preaching Paul said God has chosen that rather foolishness of preaching you know by the foolishness of giving food or by the foolishness of giving clothes or by the foolishness of in medicine but by the foolishness of preaching men should be saved so we need to preach preaching is very very important in your in your Crusades as I understand it because of your medical background you have also incorporated medical clinics or help for the people we have a clinic a huge clinic I don't know if you call that a clinic five thousand ten thousand people and we take drugs we take medicines we go with a large team of medical people and we try to see them we from different tables talk to them find out what they can examine them if we can and then we give drugs free everything's free well we give drugs and until our medicine is finished and until the time is gone and then when there are certain really bad cases which we can help surgically we bring them to a crime because we have a hospital that we built to operate on them and look after them free of charge send them well so that's just to help them then that in addition to that we actually give we look for poor people and at the clinic we give them an envelope of money you know to help them you know because some of them are I mean very very poor yeah okay hardest obstacle I think I've always had very hard obstacles I don't know which one this there's always something to fight I don't think you will ever have it easy if you are following the will of God you always have some kind of obstacle to fight so I I don't think I can put my finger on one particular obstacle I mean yeah oh it just takes when I go on it probably takes about 2 hours to finish when I stop preaching till it's over yeah I don't fit so long like this morning short snack snack yes what do you preach are you preaching in the Crusades I preach like what I preached this morning the lost I preach Jesus Christ the same yesterday today forever Jesus is the wages as the answer that Jesus is knocking at the door of your heart you don't have to go to hell why you should not perish in the lake of fire preach about the rich man and Lazarus I preach up God is love God commended his love towards us now while we were yet sinners against Isis on Jesus Jesus Christ yeah Jesus Christ salvation what it means to be saved the blood of Jesus the cross and how the blood of Jesus will wash away your sins that's what I preach I don't I don't preach about healing I preach about salvation about the blood across that's what I preach out of some of the most outstanding healings that you've seen healings we've seen you've seen basically everything in the Bible we've seen blind people see deaf people hear paralyzed people walk and I have a nice little DVD called he touched me like this this guy who was totally paralyzed everyone thought he was going to die came to the Crusades was carried there you know he got healed paralytic he has a paralytic if we see several of that but this guy was dying I don't know what he was dying off and he was paralyzed everyone he went to so many witchcraft places witch doctors he got healed and he came back to us at another crusade with 53 people when he had ours at another crews hours of the crusade he travels 300 kilometres 700 km with 53 people at delegation and he calls me he calls me I mean he calls me my god he calls me God for His healing in entry we say menial coupon and if you see the video he explains like that's what I call him he's got to be because he got healed you know so we've seen I've been basically everything that the dead raised is what I'm looking for I'm looking for more dead people to I need to revenge on my first experience of we broaden it tonight but we could practice you know Judah through camp meetings I have camp meetings for two days for three days when we starting up sounds like what we call an encounter type retreat it's like a retreat we go away no you can't go and come and there's nothing like we are late so we are going to long and and it's restricted for really serious people like the people here tonight and then we preach I preach to outs from morning till evening morning till evening morning till evening I think I'd talk with you once you did 12 hours that's always preaching yeah preaching and they said that's that's how that's how the pastor's were raised up yeah anybody wanna camp for adults two hands okay all right good [Music] there's there's no real average-sized I've done that calculation but the church is very in science it depends on where the church is some churches have 100 people 300 500 so another thousand some are 70 but I understand the average size of a church in the world is 70 its what 70 70 yeah so it really varies some places the churches haven't worked like like like Senegal we've tried twice it's so Islamic it just doesn't grow you know and and you have to pump in so much money so we just pulled out our missionaries from Senegal we'll probably try again you know later but I decided to send them elsewhere you know so some places it does what but jesus said if you go and they don't receive you shake the dust go to the next town so I don't struggle with churches that don't work if you don't work I close and I go and start again it's not a problem and I don't feel embarrassed I doesn't work because Jesus said some wouldn't work you know shake the dust off your feet and go to the next place there's my gift leadership I don't know my gift I'll tell ya after reading I have a list one of the things that has become a very powerful part of my ministry is his books I have been invited to so many places now because of these books and I've like I was in Ukraine and I mean I was surrounded by Russian pastas on the last day they came around the office and this guy comes from Siberia he said your book on the art of leadership he said its tone inside out another pastor came from another turn he had 4,000 members in his church he said to me this pasta you're the one who invited he told me that the best book on leadership is your book so he said I got that book it's all in Russian and he said now it's compulsory to read that book for two years the art of leadership and so many other pastor from Siberia so it's funny to me and I was amazed that you know my books are being read in such places and not just being read but become material for pastors and leaders and so on so that's really touched me and I once didn't have a vision when I asked a lot what should I do to bear fruit and I and I had a vision and I saw a hand holding up a book like this and from then I I became I realized that the books were a real major part of what I'm doing I'm supposed to do so how do you write your books and how often are you involved in that I I dictate I dictate to my secretary and that's how I and I do it in seasons I don't do it all the time and I write if I have something to write and I don't just write on topics because they are good Christian topics and I find myself writing to leaders and pastors and sometimes I just fall asleep if I have to write a book on some Christian topic nice Christian topper and I found myself asleep and then I found that I'm not fast asleep because I just bought with your own writing not with my own right with the topic I say yes okay Wendell is always poking me what do you do to keep your life balanced you and your wife Adelaide your beautiful children you have a great staff you have a lot of leaders you have churches all over the world so how do you keep your life balanced exercise health and so forth those kind of things well intense of the family I mean on Mondays is our day off so that's a day that we can be together I make tea for her every morning we sit down and chat she likes chatting so she can chat my wife is has a gift of chatting I mean all I have to do is to change the channels I don't know sound I just keep changing channels and she keeps talking and I just say Amen yes it's true Wow powerful and we can go for several hours but we go away as a family quite often and spend time together I play golf as much as I can I understand you have a very good putter a pata that's when doe brought for me the last time I was here he told me that it was Tiger Woods putter so that was my birthday present I think it was in me and I've been using it since then and I've made quite a few birdies all right so I hope you have the latest Tiger Woods but I still yeah beyond Tygra untie yeah okay tiger we're golfing tomorrow together would you pray no rain and that I win one last question do you have one two more maybe okay [Music] what makes a good leader I think a good leader is someone who can take decisions I think the greatest mark of a leader is his ability to take decisions and bad leaders and people who don't take decisions and I think a good leader someone who stays focused on what the primary job is because when you lead there's so many things you can do you know for instance I wasn't I wasn't really coming here and what I came because of my relationship with with window as I felt it was not actually invited some to some other board members Church in America who also wanted me to pass by but I think we focused on what is important to you and what God says you should do I think that is what makes you a good leader yeah one other question that I would ask would be some of the young people who were here young couples etc desire for church planting being involved in the ministry etc probably everyone here as you have to find it is a worker so if everyone is involved in ministry but what can young people some of our interns who are here tonight what can they do to prepare themselves for successful ministry including the possibility of church planting well I would say to you pray one thing you could do is set yourself a task to pray for 100 hours for your future so get a sheet of paper and Mark 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 10 200 and pray for the will of God Ephesians chapter 1 verse 9 talks about the mystery of his will his will is mysterious you can't really know and understand his will it out it works itself out as time goes by so some of you maybe find yourself in Seattle some of you may find yourself in other countries but his will is mysterious so pray that his will should come to pass in your life that's one thing and you could take that as an assignment for 100 hours to pray for your future you know for your future ministry of your life and what the will of the Lord is for your life Jesus prayed for three hours the same topic thy will be done thy will be done thy will be done for three hours so 100 hours is not too long for you that's one number two I would suggest that I mean whatever training program is going on here and whatever you are being asked to do do it do it humbly do it faithfully because the ministry is all about recommendation it's all about who can speak for you who can say this guy is a good guy who can say this guy is a faithful person so you need a good reputation from here and then the third is to soak in preaching and to soak in books and tapes and CDs that will build you up because to be a preacher you must listen to preaching you must catch the anointing you must be filled with the word because it's going to come out of you all through your life so I want to recommend I I don't have any here but I have this set of CDs mp3s called the maconnais it's a very powerful collection of CDs of different camps that I've held and I mean I would recommend if you ever able to get your hands on that to get that it will it will it will change your life and it's just for pastors and workers it's not Christian stuff it's army stuff amen good so so I recommend that to you and I I didn't go to Bible School I listened to Kenneth Hagin preaching he was preaching Bible who you know just long preaching talking and praying in tongues I loved even listening to him praying in tongues I didn't understand it but I was blessed and he would talk and encourage ministers you know and that's what that's what Beth need to the ministry I didn't have a chance to go to Bible School so I've grown up on books and tapes I really value books and tapes I think these three things will help anybody here you know the prayer for the future the mystery of God's will for your life because it's a mystery look at me I'm sitting here from Ghana I'm in Seattle I'm on stage in a chair I didn't know I was going to be here tonight sitting on a chair being interviewed you know it's mysterious number to have a good reputation do everything right here if they say go go they say jump ask how high you jump run anything do it and wet hop and number three soaking see these tapes preaching you know let me tell you something God has anointed some people for you not everybody can preach for you to understand and to be blessed there are many preachers but there are some people two three maybe that are the people that God has anointed for your life and for your ministries and and when you notice you know just flow there and keep on that track and go for the same books and the same tapes and the same materials it will get into you because it's already entry right when I watch TV n there are some ministers who have huge churches I mean it's not that we say you're not getting it you're not getting it you're like and I said to myself I am not getting it I don't get what they are saying but I look and I see thousands of people who are getting it thousands of people who understand what the pastor I say so I realized that they understand but I do understand so but there are other people example for me with me a good example is Rick Joyner I mean that many people who don't understand his books and what he's saying but I I understand God has anointed him for me so I always read his material huh I always get revelations and I always have his books with me now it used to be Kenneth Hagin all the time and now it's turned that way and I'm always blessed because and I'm humble enough to accept that God has anointed this person for me it takes humility to realize that look just humble yourself before this person because he's a blessing to you and it seems that everything is coming from there amen so just humble yourself and God will bless you as you receive amen amen for those who are involved in a church planting school we've talked about getting some of the Bishops books and materials I think those CDs would be very good and so we'll be talking about that in the sessions coming up and regarding that

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