3 skills you NEED for the CLOUD (AWS, Microsoft Azure)

[Music] oh um [Applause] [Applause] what's going on guys welcome back to network chuck yes i was late because i was making coffee get off my back and it's finished now um anyways we're talking about the three skills you need for the cloud now i want to clear this up real quick it's not that there's you can't just go get the cloud certifications like azure aws gcp google cloud you can't just go and get them expect to have a job you can't expect to walk into a place and go i'm clouding now that's not how that works cameron knows cameron if you don't know cameron cameron's my brother what's up guys say hi brother cameron just did okay cool let me know real quick if y'all can hear me because this is weird this is new for me um anyways so we're going to talk about the three skills you need for the cloud now cameron if you don't know his background he started on the on the help desk got his a plus he went forth and progressed through networking became a network engineer focusing on wireless which he hated and uh and then he got his aws certs and moved into a cloud engineer role which is what he's currently doing now and you love it i like it [Laughter] he likes it still still fairly new but getting used to it still a lot to learn um one of my guys said if y'all said that's the kid from the cinnamon challenge right yesterday unfortunately it is in case you guys don't know i did have the original cinnamon challenge video on youtube so in case you were wondering you're welcome and he was eight years old when i made him do it um that's fantastic yep anyway so cameron three skills you need let's start with skill number one and this is not cloud related specifically it's complementary skills you have to bring into the cloud that can help you do your job better so skill number one the scale that i definitely lacked in whenever i first started in cloud i would for sure say was linux and i know that everyone's gonna say chuck's talked about it a lot you should learn linux in reality if you're going to the cloud you definitely need to because a lot of app teams and a lot of people run things on linux so it's really important to know how to use it use the command line if you're not going to be using like ubuntu or anything whenever you're using linux in the cloud you're mostly going to be using like red hat enterprise so you have to know the command line and know how to use it very fluently and connect to it and everything and just so you know when he says red hat enterprise uh for people who are trying to learn linux sent os or centos is the free version the open source version of red hat if you want to get your hands on with red hat download centos centos centos i don't know what to call it centos is it i've heard centos every i don't know people people on links are weird um but even in aws you can launch free tier servers with uh red hat and the newest versions of it now amazon so amazon if you if i i posted a video friday talking about amazon and launching an ec2 instance which is their virtual machine platform in the cloud and i launched an amazon linux version which is their own little flavor of linux what's that based off of i honestly don't know i think i remember seeing it actually being red hat to be honest it's possible but we don't use it in our enterprise environment we we only use red hat as far as i know okay interesting now in red hat it is an enterprise version so it's similar to microsoft where you will have to pay license fees and then you'll get support for that as well that's where red hat linux really comes in and shines so let's talk about linux i talked about linux a lot in fact my my video where i said everyone needs is at learnlinux just hit a million views so that that just means you have to learn linux that's what that means um so how did you learn linux so how much linux did you know before you came into this cloud job i knew very basic linux from what i had just taught myself just mostly playing with like uh ubuntu or just a small little like the wsl it's built into windows uh maybe a little bit of cali but really i knew nothing other than what i had googled to learn four little projects that i did by myself and then whenever i started it in the position that i am now i went and did um the a cloud guru course for the red hat certified systems administrator because i needed to get really like i needed to get deeper into it if i was going to actually work and administer servers that ran red hat linux uh so how did you finish the course how'd it go for you i finished it yeah it was definitely something that i wasn't used to coming from uh using windows my entire life as well as being a network engineer probably like a couple weeks before that so it was definitely a real big shift in mindset for me for me to learn that so i would say it was more difficult than i would have liked it to be but once i got to the end of it i definitely understood linux way way better going into my new position so that's what you used when you first started channel or linux so now with your job what are you doing now to learn linux and to kind of build your skills up a lot of it's just uh actually doing it i get a lot of tickets and stuff to administer things with linux whether it's maybe some type of database running on linux we don't we don't always use like rds for um in amazon web service we only use like the relational database service all the time sometimes we actually have to run a database on an ec2 instance uh so i have to deal with it a lot with that uh setting up groups setting up users let's back up for people who don't know what that what the junk you're talking about so when you say rds the relational database talk about amazon's app you could run for their database in the cloud right there what do they call that they call the relational yeah database called amazon already original out of all their stuff and then they choose rds which is confusing with remote desktop services well it's because they want to make that one sound boring so that they can actually advertise their actual flavor of um database services like um amazon aurora which is like serverless and dynamodb so they want you to use their stuff that they sound makes sound really cool but instead of using something else like mysql or something like that they want you to use their stuff because it sounds cool yeah and all the cloud providers including azure have their own uh database as a service which is what it's called they've they've got their where you can just simply load it up man load it up and it connects to everything i believe azure is called azure sql um so your but what you're saying is you actually run your own database whatever it might be mysql or whatever inside a virtual machine right like what you do on-prem yeah so a lot of the times we would migrate whatever type of database we had on-prem and we migrate them into the cloud and they just run that on an ec2 instance which is completely possible and supported anyways we're getting off topic so linux database download there you go linux uh so it's really your day to day so right now it's whenever you encounter a task you just have to figure that sucker out yeah a lot of googling because because linux or help from other people who really know linux we have some real linux gurus on our team so it's good to have them on there but a lot of the times you got to think okay i really have to learn this myself so let's just start googling everything so you're always going to be googling a lot of stuff no matter what you're in we're getting texts from our family right now cool closer to your face people are having a hard time hearing you there okay we're um so anyways uh learning linux what would you say is uh so you went through a cloud guru right would you recommend that for anyone now so let's say someone's like okay i want to go cloud i want to get my aws certified systems architect associate 5000 which by the way if you want to get that i just released a course um with anthony sarah and david bomble it's ten dollars right now for like the next 24 hours i think and then it goes up again so check it out link below um so what would you recommend for someone to learn linux now would you recommend that same course or yeah i i totally would i would definitely recommend uh a cloud guru for um anything linux they have a lot of courses for linux um i'm sure that if you don't want to pay for their monthly subscription i'm sure they probably sell it on udemy they you typically sell a lot of their courses uh for like one flat price instead of paying for like an extended month-to-month thing um but i'm sure there's a lot of places that have it you got linux academy which is just actually acquired by a cloud group so they i think they probably absorbed that course as well for like the red hat systems administrator um and then also i would recommend the course i'm about to make but doesn't exist yet i'm gonna make a linux stuff so be looking for that but yeah if you wanna learn it right now because you know how that's how i feel about right now right now um a cloud guru or um the codecademy has someone except too like they have a bash yeah yeah they they do have some stuff with bash scripting yeah get your get your feet dirty get your hands wet or let's say that backwards anyways just do it um so linux is one of the primary skills um how would you how would you rank that like is that one of the skills you use most every day when you're working with a cloud or would you say it's something else uh i i would say that it's a very big one because if you're going to troubleshoot something a lot of the times it's you have to figure out whether it's actually something with the cloud or you have to figure out an issue with at the os level so you have to have the ability to diagnose at which level of what you're working on is in trouble so if it's just like maybe a simple server restart it may be something on the os so this needs to be restarted if it's something corrupt with some files on the os it's an os problem but it's you have to have the fluency to figure that out so like i want you guys to hear that because what you don't learn as you go through these cloud certifications is you don't learn those skills these cloud certifications teach you how to use their services and they assume you have the prerequisite knowledge about linux or about microsoft windows or microsoft server or databases that you can apply that knowledge to a cloud environment so you got you have to keep that in mind so as he's walking through these environments he's having to learn additional things rely on previous knowledge to complement his cloud knowledge so you can't just expect to go out and get your aws certification and be like yeah i'm starting applying for jobs right now it's it's a complimentary certification right now i would love for them to throw in a ton of linux stuff in those certifications right but there's so much in a cloud it's too hard to throw that kind of stuff too many things smart things um so anyways that's that's linux and by the way we will do a q a after we've gone through these three skills you need so if you want to pick someone's brain who's gone from zero so how old are you cameron you're about to i'm 22. 22. which idiot he's a cloud engineer and he's 22. um so he he started from help desk worked his way or he started from a computer repair shop yeah i was at a just like a mom-paw computer repair shop worked his way to help desk worked his way to network engineer worked his way to cloud engineer all working the politics working the knowledge working all kinds of stuff it's amazing what he's done so if you want to pick that brain pick that brain we'll uh we'll do it here in a bit so let's go to skill number two of the three skills you need to complement your cloud skills and as biased as it is for the name of the channel i would say it's networking ooh who would have saw that coming now so why would you say networking is one of those skills you need when going to the cloud because no matter where you go whether your networking is on-prem whether it's all in the cloud whether it's the hybrid you can never avoid it no matter what type of position you're in you're always going to have to deal with the knowledge of knowing how to deal with security groups firewalls blocking things whether your connections go down you have to understand like dns you're never going to escape having to know some type of networking and just being basically fluent with it yeah and like that's one of the things that actually helped you join the cloud team because you had that specialty wherever a lot of the cloud guys did not have that exactly a lot of people on his cloud team he's doing this before they are more um maybe have a linux background a cis admin background or even a programming background he brought the networking skills to that team so he had a skill he could bring and add to it and they needed it they needed networking in the cloud and like like you said gosh it's just on-prem up there that's all it is um sure it's gonna be a bit more gooey sometimes um often it'll involve jumping into what is it amazon what's the command line they call amazon cli aw cli aws cli um it's just a lot of the same as what you'll see on-prem i mean even you look at cisco you look at juniper all these things you have to learn on-prem you can throw those appliances up there too yeah so and then you also will end up interfacing with on-prem environments as well um what are those things called in aws where you have to connect things on-prem is like just vpn gateways direct connect direct connect so you've got things you have to interface so um you came from a networking background so right walk through real quick how you set yourself up for networking success and walk your way into the cloud yeah so whenever i joined uh the company i'm at now i joined just a ccna route switch no idea what i was going to do when i got there and i got thrust into the world of wireless which i did not like but beggars can't be choosers who likes wireless out there let me know in the comments i know there's a few people it's a special breed kind of like phones i don't like wireless yeah just it wasn't for me a lot of things didn't click with it but i really had no choice but it was a good room to grow good room to grow good to know about uh but really i really wanted to do a lot of routing and switching so i did try to place myself into a lot of scenarios where i was involved with it so i would bug like our higher up architects to be involved with our direct connect connections to the cloud so i would try to figure out what was our topology there i talked to people that manage our firewalls and manage the interconnections of all that so i tried to just initiate myself in those situations so that i would become more familiar with it and if i was in some type of scenario where i had to speak to the people on the cloud team that i wanted to be on i would have the knowledge of the networking infrastructure that goes up into that and i thought that would be a valuable thing to them and turned out it was yeah so that's what it so and kind of like an insight into how he made his way to the cloud and became that guy is he kind of you know you you worked your way in there man like you figured out that they knowing how their infrastructure and their company connected to the cloud and kind of being that front man and you even became like the liaison between the networking team and the cloud team right for some things yeah i i they would start coming to me for some more questions than usual because they knew that i was a little more familiar than most people on the network team or even going into that cloud team they would still ask specific questions about the r or on-premises things that they wouldn't know from not coming from the networking team so it could kind of scratch each other's backs either way yeah so keep that in mind is um and it doesn't have to be networking that you come from it can be that you're you're maybe a 365 engineer i don't know system engineer you can take those skills and they will be applicable to the cloud in some way right find a way to find a connection there's always connection um so we know how you got to networking ccna right would you recommend that being the same path for anyone else who's trying to bolster up their skills and become a cloud engineer like yourself i i think with the way that ccna has recently changed i would say that it is a pretty good option uh to be a lot more vendor vendor agnostic so you you have a lot of different things you learn from the ccna now it's not so just focused on cisco but also at the same time but it's also a little bit more like the network plus in a sense where you learn a lot of just the network basics and a little bit of focus on cisco um okay cool cool so networking if you want to check that out i've got a free ccna course going on right now so you can follow that of course i got other resources as well if you want to sign up for this as i t my membership with david bomble uh we have just a ton of training in there and it helps us do more of things like this and produce more free training on the uh on youtube so yeah check it out anyways so that was skill number two so we got i know people are asking about it skill number one no big surprise here linux it's huge it's everywhere skill number two networking and i guess you could say the social aspect of that but really we're talking about the technical aspect of it routers switches firewalls knowing how that technology works tcpip all that kind of stuff now skill number three cameron what would you say skill number three it would be python slash coding because once you go on the cloud everybody wants to automate anything that they do whether it's just scripts you have on-prem or on other servers or whether you're using a lot of uh serverless options like lambda in aws that stuff is so heavy and so sought out for that that was another skill that i had to just buckle down and work on if i wanted to get on that cloud team because whenever i was like hey i want to be on the team they're like okay can you code and i was like no and they were like they're like okay they were like all right go figure out how to code and i got okay at it i'm not the best but i guess no one really say that they're really great at it but it's definitely something that you have to work at because it's very very important because everybody whether it's the managers or the higher ups they want to automate everything they want to make the workload on everyone as light as possible um that's and that's true i mean um i think there's a word for that right devops devops trying to just automate the junk out of everything not to eliminate people's jobs but to give people their life back a bit because i've been on uh it teams where it's been on me to make sure things are up and that's the most stressful situation ever so automation devops you've heard those buzzwords before it's really really heavy in the cloud like really heavy extremely heavy um so we know that coding is important how did you start learning coding a lot of it was uh just googling a lot of the actually the first person before you ever actually had any interactions with him was david bomble i looked at a lot of his stuff for gns3 and uh setting up coding labs for like network automation that was the first thing that introduced me into network automation was david bumble's videos and uh i started talking with another engineer that i worked with he's actually a firewall guy at our company and he uh was very very good coder shouldn't could have been a complete devops guy if he wanted to but chose to do firewalls for some reason but i started kind of shadowing him and he taught me a lot and then i was like yeah he's teaching me a bunch of stuff a lot of like tips and tricks but i really need to like learn it from the bottom up and that's when i chose to uh subscribe to codecademy and i think that they are extremely extremely good training for anything python they have a bunch of other courses they have specialized courses like building a python chat bot and oh yeah all kinds of really cool stuff um but yeah that would just be my recommendation for training because it they take you through a bunch of labs give you so much training that you're sick of how much you have but you're going to come out being an expert at it yeah that's you know i've talked about code counting here on this channel before it's what i've used as well it's one of those learning platforms where it's very focused on hands-on so they they get you from the moment you open up their training you're typing you're coding immediately and that's what i love and what i love about it too is you're going like you're not just doing you're not just learning python for the sake of learning python you're actually doing things they take you through projects and stuff um so cameras point about they have different courses where they focus on like one thing like building a chat bot which is awesome i saw one there where they built a uh alexa and they have she actually heard you dang it she's so stinking good alexa stop it [Laughter] give me secrets away um amazon's listening to us uh so yeah python's crazy important i would also recommend that you like i know cameron a lot of your learning you're doing now is more kind of like what you said with linux where it's hands-on day-to-day right you have to learn how that works because it's part of your job now right exactly yeah a lot of it now is coming in the form of uh lambda and aws which is their uh yeah what is their bmw tell us what that is a lot of people have no idea what serverless means yeah lambda is uh amazon web services serverless compute so in the old days you'd have to spin up a server and you would have to run a bunch of scripts on that server and they have to run all the time you have to pay for all the compute for that server and it costs more money than you actually want well now you can just have things trigger a lambda function so you could have maybe a server goes down and it'll send an event to your lambda function your lambda function can do all this stuff open up a ticket and do all kinds of alerting and you don't even have to touch it you don't have a server running so it's way cheaper way quicker and it's really efficient but the only caveat is just having to learn how to use it because it's not very simple but once you get it it's very nice it's very intuitive it's super extremely helpful that's a great explanation yeah like i know um every cloud provider has their serverless options um azure has the same thing uh the free version you might be familiar with is a ifttt i've been using that for years um it's not as crazy at all as as lambda very much user friendly or zapier you might have heard zapier that's essentially the same idea you don't have to install a python stack on a linux server and run all your scripts there and have it thailand cameras mentioning no you you just kind of set up these like little tasks in a on aws and they run it for you you don't you're not paying for a server you're just kind of paying for land like i don't know what the payment structure for lambda is but i'm sure it's like it's built by like the millisecond so if you have like you can adjust like how many uh megabytes of storage or ram you want it to utilize whenever it runs depending on how much you have there and how many milliseconds it runs is how it builds you hmm okay gotcha so we've named three skills so far that we believe you need to step into the cloud you shouldn't even think about now i take it back you should think about jumping into the cloud um as soon as possible you should try to apply for jobs if you have the aws certifications or azure or google cloud whatever but as you're going as you're applying as you're building up apply those skills pick linux maybe focus on linux one week python the next networking the next the beautiful part is often all those skills kind of intersect you'll end up using them all three all at once all the time um now i kind of want to go into the fringe because i saw someone mention this do you have any experience with kubernetes at all none none okay so you wouldn't say it's super important for you right now in your job in the cloud i wouldn't say it's necessarily something that i use but i know it's something that is on the rise that amazon's really pushing a lot of stuff with containers and kubernetes because they have their own kubernetes kind of service which is their uh elastic kubernetes service i believe what it's called like eks whatever yeah it's eks so there they have their own little flavors i know they're really pushing for a lot of people to work with it there's people at my company who use it i don't necessarily know their use case but i definitely know it's something that you should definitely look into more but i don't understand a lot enough of it to explain why you need to learn it right now right now uh video coming soon no it's it's kinda like one of those things like maybe five years ago when you were becoming a network engineer and you kept hearing like hey automation hey python learn it but it wasn't really essential that you learned it just yet right you couldn't use it in real life but it's coming it's out there now we're seeing automation come and it's right it's it's in our jobs uh if you don't know what kubernetes is it's basically basically orchestrating containers so i had a video where i talked about docker containers which is basically so much to explain right now in a live stream but it's basically a a server that's running within a server you're not having to dedicate an entire server hardware to run this it's kind of like virtual machines but it's not it runs and it virtualizes the operating system instead of physical hardware but you have to watch the video to get more information than that but kubernetes is a big beast that kind of orchestrates all of that um now i want to pick your brain too what other skills would you say that are kind of creeping up on you or that you had to develop as you were getting into the cloud job i mean a lot of it uh that i would say is um just a lot of systems admin stuff because i didn't come from a systems admin background and go like you said when you go into cloud you have to learn a lot of things on the spot and one of those big things is systems administration because you have to know how to use windows server or know how to use linux so i think that's a pretty big one that i didn't didn't necessarily expect to work with as much as i do um so that's definitely one that i would recommend you tackle before you actually become a cloud engineer so it's a little bit easier when you come into it now would you say that your um your job in the in the cloud is more system admin heavy or networking heavy it uh it depends on the week uh there's times whenever i work on a lot of networking and times when i work on a lot of um when or assistance administration it just it's you got to know everything you have to know a little bit of everything so whenever he's saying like whenever chuck's saying you need to learn it right now a lot of times you got to learn it right now because someone said somebody may put in the ticket and say like you validation you guys shut up i can say right now all i want so someone may go there is an issue with my kubernetes cluster and i'm like i've never used that before and it's like i gotta go learn it because and then you google how to learn kubernetes right now and here i am yeah and this is not scripted that's actually what i'm saying because you actually a lot of i've had to learn a lot of stuff on the spot and it's uh that's just being in the cloud things change every single day you could tell someone last week that that particular thing you want to do with this load balancer isn't supported and then next week it's supported so it's you have to constantly keep yourself updated pay attention to the releases and just tackle it all as much as you can yeah i'd say that it's um it's kind of funny how it's working now because uh we've gone from like my career i went from being a jack of all trades where i had to know a little bit of everything so i learned system administration i learned networking never really touched scripting too much uh and then i jumped into a job where it was more siloed where i had like one skill and i got paid for one skill it was voice engineering a little a little bit of networking but now when you look at the cloud your jack of all trades you're having to do a little bit of like i mean your team like i'm sure you have guys who are specialized yeah like they're really good at their stuff but often you're gonna get a task where it involves a little bit of everything and you you do have a chance to reach out to that person and say hey of course i don't know what this thing does can you tell me um but the next time you want to be able to do that you don't want to be bugging that guy yeah and that's one of the good things about the team that i'm on and i'm assuming this is most teams they don't want someone to be so heavily specialized because that's what happened in my previous position was we had a lot of siloed sections of our teams where some people are really good at this we were really good at this and we didn't technically knowledge share a lot but on the current team i'm on they want everyone to be able to do everyone's job of course there's people that are way better in their own little niches and everything and they have like 10 years experience in it but in reality they want everyone to be fluent enough to i don't know maybe jump on a critical incident call and they want you to be able to solve that issue no matter what it is so it's it's a lot of building a lot of uh knowledge sharing a lot of documentation so that's another one documentation that's very important as much as you hate it you have to do it i'm making a promise to all of you i will never make a video you need to learn documentation right now because i'm not going to learn documentation right now and i'll never tell you to learn something i'm not going to learn i hate it i did have i did do it um badly but i don't have to do it anymore so i'll just have cameron make a video on that because i can't do that but that is a really good one someone just mentioned um with aws like direct connect is really big uh but a service i introduced a couple of years ago that has really taken everything by storm is definitely the transit gateway and it simplifies a lot of the stuff a lot of the network communication in the cloud if you want to have an edge up coming into a cloud position from a network standpoint i would definitely tackle the transit gateway because that's i would say that's a very big one that people are migrating to so that's one thing too i mean like the cloud changes so freaking rapidly there's a new service every week it's not just like cisco like oh you get that software update no yeah vlan doesn't break anymore there's like new services added every time and your company do they adopt the services as they come on is it that rapid or they because i know like with a lot of companies they're really reluctant to change they're like okay there's a new change coming in we're not we're not gonna do that like that's not tried and tested but the cloud's a bit different right right uh as much so i don't wanna i don't like to talk a lot about the company i work for like too in detail but i would say secrets but i i will say that my company is very um we really like the cloud we have we have a lot uh invested in it so we do really uh there's specific services that i would say that we focus really heavy on and we kind of we were eating those new new updates every time they come in when there's some stuff that we don't touch at all so it's uh just kind of depends where kind of depends what company you're at but i would say the one i'm at is very cloud heavy uh which is great for wanting to be a cloud engineer uh so i mean you did you move to that company and we can't name names but did you move there thinking that you were going to become a cloud engineer no okay i was just curious if you strategically moved there for that no but it was actually just the the first company to reach out to me um whenever i got my ccna so just looking for any networking position and they happened to want someone with nothing just basically ccna nothing else so i got very lucky with that which is strange it might sound strange because we see a lot of jobs like i want you to have 20 000 years experience in um about 15 ccies but a lot of companies and i've been in that position before where i don't want a guy like that i don't want a girl like that i want someone who's fresh who i can kind of mold into the engineer i want them to be so don't don't get down on that kind of stuff and no steve i do not work for planet fitness thumbs up he worked out at planet fitness but didn't work for um i got a super chat from greg laslo think of a super chat greg um says hi chuck thank you for the career advice booked my a plus exam and got an interview this friday for tech support hope to get in the cloud one day that's awesome greg congrats on that go look on your a plus and uh good luck on the interview a lot of stuff going on for you that's fantastic um let's see i'm gonna take that chat off real quick and it's gone so um i want to ask you one more time any other uh ancillary skills you might consider to the cloud beyond versus linux networking coding or python what else would you add to that list ah i don't know besides documentation uh that's a hard one to think about um it's it's just really being kind of uh you kind of learn that when you go through some of the certifications like going through like the uh the solution to architect associate uh you kind of learn a little bit about a lot of things like you learn stuff about databases which i had no idea i didn't know so much about databases before i came into this position that it actually had because i hated i dreaded that section of that course but you actually use it a lot more than you think you will because all that stuff's all in the cloud you always got to mess with it but as far as other things to think about i can't only think i'm sure he'll have more as time goes by oh yeah i'll probably have some new tomorrow uh so i got a super chat from choi he he got a great question actually and i want to i wanted to ask you this um thank you for the super chat quad he says should i learn linux and python before i start learning a cloud service and which cloud service would you recommend so i'm going to kind of shape this question into saying do you wish you would have learned linux python networking networking you wish you would have those two skills before jumping into learning aws i i would say so uh it's really helpful whenever you're learning something to know how it's used so whenever you have like an actual example of how something is implemented and make it has things make a lot more sense for you when you're learning maybe ec2 which is their compute and you'll know like how linux will operate and how lambda you'd learn more about lambda like lambda you know how it'd operate would better whenever you know about python and all that kind of stuff yeah i would definitely recommend learn as much linux and python as you can before you go to a cloud position but don't learn them by themselves i i would definitely mix it in with each other keep it complimentary yeah to his point like when i when i was learning azure uh one thing i've always been weak on and never ever touched was databases it's so foreign to me uh but i found that as i was getting to the section talking about databases i'm like okay i know how it works in theory but i'm sitting here having to like lab this up and i have no idea what i'm doing so i picked up a few database things i i learned a bit about databases so i could actually deploy it in the cloud and know how it actually functions so i would say that as you're going through i wouldn't say you have to like become a python expert become a linux expert get like all these certifications before you even touch cloud i would say start right now um and guys when i say right now i want to clear this up real quick and i i'll say it until people start giving me crap for it when i say right now it's kind of tongue-in-cheek it's like it's just buzzwordy and it's kind of a meme at this point but also for some of you it's true like you need to learn that right now because maybe in your job people need you to learn linux and that might be the difference between you keeping a job or getting that next raise or moving up or whatever right now could mean right now for you um so to to kind of round this bring bring this together i would say that as you approach cloud and how to learn all these complimentary skills when you hit something in aws let's say for example you don't know a lot about compute or virtual machines or anything like that and you're hitting the point where you're learning about ec2 and aws maybe stop there for a second and go study virtual machines learn how virtualization works learn all that stuff and build up those skills find labs that are specific to aws and working with virtual machines do the same with databases do the same with networking build up the skills as you're learning each each section in those courses sure you can go and pass aws at the aws solutions solutions architect associate i will never ever get that right they need to change their name um sure you can pass that by memorizing how to work through all these services and how and and what button you have to click to make what work but you want to actually learn how those are implemented in real life you want to find real life examples you want to work through those examples that's what the different differentiator will be for you um and then the last part of this question which cloud service would you recommend i mean come on we we we have a rivalry here of course i i'm more familiar with amazon so i pick amazon but he's going to pick azure no matter what well i mean i did just put on an aws course i'll i'll be honest with you guys i don't have a preference because i and this is what i always tell people when they ask me okay what what cloud service should i choose which is the best it doesn't matter which is the best it doesn't matter at all it matters is someone in your area hiring for that cloud position so what you should do right now if you're looking at aws or azure get on indeed get on dice get on one of those sites and google and see which jobs are hiring and for what uh technology now often and i'm seeing this a lot it's not just going to be one they want you to know azure and aws which is what you're encountering right now right you're having a little bit of azure right now just a little bit just a little bit not really for me right now we have other people on our team that are kind of managing in a small azure amount azure environment but it hasn't really trickled over to me yet so there's a possibility in the future i will have to learn it and it is good to be multi-cloud fluent because that's just gonna just add more adds more to your resume it doesn't hurt so it's it's good to know and uh if you have to like if you're looking for any jobs you can be looking for cloud or google cloud amazon azure doesn't matter which one you want to pick a specific cloud um path doesn't really matter often when someone's hiring for a cloud position just knowing that you have experience in a cloud if they know what they're talking about they'll know that you can translate those skills to any other cloud i can tell you from experience that as i learned azure and i got my azure certifications as i'm stepping into aws and i'm messing with aws the learning curve is not even there it's easy it's like it's just a matter of a lookup table okay this is what amazon calls it oh and this is what azure called it i know what that is they just call it something different and ensure there's some nuances but really it's just nuances that's all it is the technology the underlying technology works the same so you learn one cloud you can step into another cloud pretty easy um so yeah you'll you'll win big i know the only thing i i would say you probably wouldn't win real big with right now and might be lack of ignorance with me but i don't think google cloud is crazy big right now at least in the in the dallas area or am i wrong about that i i don't really know i've heard a lot of uh i mean if you look up a lot of the like highest paying i.t certifications right now a lot of the ones that i've seen is the gcp there's a google cloud professional well then i stand corrected go get that certification right now i mean yeah it doesn't really matter which cloud they all have high paying positions it's really just whichever one whichever one matters to you if you're at a company that's using azure you're at a company using google cloud or aws you go for whatever that is if the company that i was at right now was using azure i would have learned azure so so it just really depends on what you need to learn to get that position yeah that's totally true and i know people are like okay amazon's the one to learn clearly because they're the biggest company but it could be very different in your area right i was talking with um donald rob the packet thrower he's based out of canada um and now i love canada i love going up there uh up there i think gcp is bigger google cloud is a bit bigger yeah and also just depends on the presence of that particular provider uh because you know like aws they have a lot of regions all throughout the world but there might be a region where they aren't present but or microsoft might be so they may not have the competition because there may be higher latency for that company to possibly use aws over azure and then also pricing and aws could have competitive pricing in a different region whereas azure may have better competitive pricing in a certain region so it just it's whatever company whatever they're doing like if you if they're doing only heavy data database loads and those database loads are cheaper in azure than they are in aws that's that could be just a company preference you never know what a company's going to use and what he's talking about is a very popular thing we're going to see more and more of and that's multi-cloud multi-cloud's becoming a very very popular thing so we're what he's talking about like you may be able to find a compute cheaper in azure and for a certain region and then compute cheaper in aws and for another region and you you can mix and match it doesn't matter there's actually overlays i think cisco even has one where you can help manage your multi-cloud infrastructure so it's it's a thing so learning learning cloud when i say learn cloud i i mean pick one and learn it well so pick azure pick aws i don't care which one you pick just pick one uh but just know that won't be the only one you learn take those skills and kind of like when i'm working with azure like i'll be honest i do prefer azure's interface and probably because i came up with it and that's where right it's the first one you learned it's prettier it is prettier aws is like it's like someone sucked the life out of it it's like why is this there's so much white here where's all the color you'll know if you look at the two uh and then they're both free to start out with so you want to look at them both look at them right now uh but if you jump into both and you can pretty much figure out how to work through them all i got a super chat from psy thank you sai it says hey i mean entry level engineer if i get a job as a cloud engineer and networking engineer which one would you recommend not really sure what you're asking here but i'll try to answer it based on what i'm assuming you're asking if i get a job as a cloud engineer what no oh you're pointing at something okay no which one do you recommend i mean so i'm gonna assume you're talking about networking engineer or cloud engineer which one would you recommend i cameron i mean you you went from network engineer to cloud engineer what would you recommend i mean i would say that cloud would probably be your best bet as far as as far as longevity in the workforce because if networking is still your passion there's still a lot of companies that have just dedicated cloud and networking people so but a lot of companies want you to learn all everything some might be too big for that they may have such a big cloud environment they need someone dedicated for cloud networking but that just depends but if you're running a position that's going to last a long time and is new in the environment i would definitely go with cloud over networking not to say anything wrong with networking i just think that cloud has a longer shelf life i would agree with that um and that's and that goes to say like we one of our top three skills was networking so it's clearly still needed and you'll find plenty of positions right now where you're going to be focusing on on-prem situations or maybe you're you're the networking guy who focuses on the on-prem and the cloud you have that specialty so they're what we're finding now and it's weird like not every job is going to be the exact same like i'm sure cameron what he does in his cloud engineering job now would be totally different a different company of course night and day because you're just telling me now like they have custom things they develop yeah companies make their own custom tools uh so i could move somewhere else and i could i could there could be things that i thought were just native in the cloud but are actually things that they actually implement they built and implemented themselves i could go somewhere else and be like man i can't work without this uh so it just it just depends uh i don't know i think it's getting kind of hot in here so we're fading um bart chamnis great uh mention he says you need a base you need a base technology to kind of move to the cloud with and i would agree with that um it shouldn't stop you like if you're if you're like just getting into it you're like what's my best path start learning the basics you want to have foundation pick networking pick linux pic all three i would or everything but don't stop keep learning pick a cloud and start learning it as you're learning all these complementary skills um what i often do is i do this all the time is when i'm setting up a lab even though i have servers on-prem in my house sometimes it's just quicker to spin up a quick linux or windows box in the cloud to play with something and i do that constantly i'm just like oh bam it's done play with it i did that today in the video for my um if you watched my video today when i talked about the new kali linux version uh release that was done in azure i spun up a quick vm in azure did it real quick shut it down i'm done it cost me like 10 cents like that's amazing anyways one good question here is uh asking about uh cloud security what's her name uh neve hey spell that n-e-e-v i'll find it oh here we go i'll throw it up there now what's up yeah so so cloud security i would say that's a very big one we actually have an entire separate team dedicated to cloud security great question and any any and even cloud dev secops like [Laughter] can we add anything else to that yeah so security in the cloud is also huge and it's also a really big that okay we had to ask that question you asked earlier about what are some other skills you need to know security is also important because you could run into an issue with just some type of role that you have where like you want this particular server to talk to this server but the role that is assigned can't do that so yeah i would say security is very important of course every cloud does security similar but a little bit different as well but uh cloud security is definitely another big one uh people with the um the advanced security specialty in aws can go out there and make some big bucks because a lot of people don't understand the security as well very well at all so it's definitely a really big one security is always good yeah that's kind of like the double-edged sword as we advance the technology make things more accessible and easier to produce and implement when that happens security becomes more focused i mean you don't think hackers are looking at the cloud and targeting the cloud the same vulnerabilities we have on-prem will exist in the cloud in a lot of situations if you have a weak password on your vm in the cloud it's the weak password of the cloud doesn't matter where it's at and uh you better believe hackers are looking for vulnerabilities constantly so having a solid security team that's focusing on the cloud is a key um if you're looking to be a pen tester and become a hacker ethically learning how to penetrate and test against cloud is also a skill you want to learn yeah um i've got a question from rahman let me see if i can pull it up here yeah there it is says i he cleared his az104 last week congrats that's the equivalent to aws and that dumb name they have they need a number on their exam uh they do this i don't know what it is he says what should he do next aws or ccna ccnp any suggestions from your side would be really great so what do you think cam i i think it really depends if you want what you want to do if you really wanted to go to the cloud uh i would either go deeper into azure i don't know if they have what specialties for azure certainly do i mean you can go for whatever the higher level service for azure um you can attempt to diversify yourself and be a multi-cloud guy but as long as you have like a good base in networking and uh some of the other smaller skills i would definitely say just just diversify yourself uh make make leave your options open especially if you're not already in a cloud position um yeah i would just just diversify i would dabble in aws you don't even have to do the the architect associate you could just do the cloud practitioner uh just to get your just get your your hands dirty and honestly i think at this point i mean if you've got your az 104 and i don't know what other skills you have behind that i think now is the time to kind of buckle down and figure out what jobs in your area maybe do some job searches maybe go to a few interviews and target some situations target job job roles that you see so what i used to do was my strategies i would look for jobs in my area look at the job description see what they were looking for and then make that my goal that's how i determined if i was going to be a well-rounded person for that position that kind of job that's what i would do start looking at a job and say okay they are looking for people with ac 104 but they're also looking for ccna with that they're also looking for linux so that's where you can build your skill set but i always tell people this when you get a certification like that az 104 start applying now people want these skills i mean you have to understand these are skills that are hard to find um we don't have enough people that are skilled with the cloud right now we just don't uh so start applying now i'm not saying you'll get a job overnight you might have trouble it might be really hard i don't know but start now start now you'll learn something from it and you'll learn better what to learn next so we're giving you general advice on how we feel about it but you're where you're at your positions you're looking for may be completely different than what the advice we're giving you so that's what i would go for maybe even like find a hiring manager in your area network in the area find out what people are looking for and talk to them anyways i got a question from uh william murray actually has a super chat thank you william says cameron since moving into the cloud what has been your favorite aspect of working in the cloud uh i think my favorite thing about the cloud so far is that i don't have to travel anywhere or deal with physical equipment everything is just there and if it's something that i can't touch all i have to do is call up amazon and they can help me but it's it's it's the the fact of not having to work with something physical like a switch just can't die uh and if they switch if a switch does die in the cloud or their equipment messes up they have to fix it not me also they probably have like 20 000 others that kind of replace it so exactly so it's it's the the the not physical aspect of it is really nice um but i do really love the networking in the cloud i i come from a networking background so of course i enjoy that it's just the networking is very simple and very fun to work with uh in the cloud as well especially when you have a company that has invested very heavily into it and has a very advanced network it's very fun to work with i i want to agree with you on that or concur on that because there are so many times in my career where it was frustrating as you're troubleshooting issues having to go from to different interfaces logging into this this interface this interface going to this software program the software program it is a a load off your mind to know that everything is in one place or if you like fat finger a command like if you're working with like a trunk and you're working with bad designs so you have a couple of daisy chain switches down there and then if you fat finger like a switch port trunk add vlan and or a switchboard truck vlan instead of adding one and then you just cut off the communication all the way across and your heart stops and you're like you're like oh i hope someone's on site yeah yeah that that was a frustrating thing it's like and i remember when i was an engineer we had a bunch of remote sites just a bunch of them and when they go down it was super frustrating because you'd have to like call them up and you think the person on site was technical no right it was some branch manager who knew how to do real estate stuff but had no idea what a router looked like they thought the router was the coffee machine yeah yeah i know they're flipping it off and it's getting hot and burning they don't know what they're doing so but they should make coffee right now however that was frustrating but there's such an a a wonderful thing about having all your stuff right there knowing that if something's wrong well you have a portal to just reboot it right watch it come back up or maybe copy it back it up and spin it up and over here again like there's just so many things you can do the cloud's amazing it really is amazing and like one good one good thing that i mess with a lot is maybe somebody screwed something up on a linux server and it's just like toast it's toast i can't really do anything with that particular uh that storage device i can just boot up another server and then just go and attach that to that server fix it reattach it and then turn the server back on and everything's good to go oh isn't that beautiful you couldn't you couldn't do that back then it'd be way too hard but now it's just like now that's just a couple of clicks couple of commands and it's all fixed it really does make our life easier um i never had the opportunity to like work on the cloud in the field and use it day to day but i can i can see just the joy in your face you can live vicariously it sounds fun there's a great comment right here from joseph uh bonilla said is it possible to uh be a cloud engineer and work remotely i'm doing it right now pretty easy question right there yes currently doing it it is the best way to do it he highly encourages that that's the way to do it um i think i have a super chat here when i pull it up uh thank you everyone for tuning in tonight in the super chats um there was one from fahad but he had no question but thank you and then reginald gave me a chicken sticker so thank you reginald highly appreciated uh let's see ethan has a question here i want to pull up ethan's chat here there it is he says i want to thank you ethan for the super chat do cloud engineers do more than deal with tickets of course uh it could depend on where you are uh you could go to a company that specifically puts you on in an ops platform or an ops position uh but for have good for me i work with ops sometimes and i work with engineering as well so i get to build up new things as well as manage things that are already built so that kind of depends on where you're going uh but a lot of the cloud certs really set you up really well to do uh architecture so whenever like you go to the aws side you get the solutions architect associate so they teach you a lot on how to build things in the cloud and also manage at the same time but they also have different search that are more for managing it which is like their uh their sysops administrator which is more for troubleshooting in the cloud gets a little bit deeper but a lot of things on those overlap and a lot of companies don't really care which one you have because because of the super overlapping information yeah and to that point i think there are like help desk-like roles where you'll be troubleshooting cloud issues especially as companies moving more and more and their stuff to the cloud there may be situations where the helpdesk is troubleshooting that kind of stuff and the engineers like cameron are doing more high-level stuff and you have those tiers right we'll see more and more of that yeah because it's really easy now with all the increased security in the cloud to really segregate the the uh the level of access for anyone that's logging in so we can give developers as much as access we want to give a developer or give someone as much as they need access for to just basically manage their servers and then you have the cloud admins who can have all the access they want and then also still help those people whenever they have issues cool beans i don't say that in a while i apologize for that because that's kind of nerdy um i got a super chat from marcos julian he's got a question here he says i have on thank you marcus for the super chat so i have a ccna and ccna security rest in pcc a uh i'm working supporting remote access and pulse secure which i don't know what pulse security is i've never heard of pulse secure uh what path do you recommend and i'm assuming you're focusing on the cloud maybe um i would say if you're looking to get in the cloud go for aws yeah and go for it i mean why not you've already got the networking background you've got security background i think ccna security is great a great amount of information to bring to the cloud um when you're working with like basic level cloud stuff you don't know a ton of security if if if you even with security network if you come in with a ccna to any cloud uh certification you're gonna blow away any type of networking questions that that that was like the i don't i don't think it was possible for me to get one question wrong on the networking part of my tests it was it was way way too basic yes i would say yeah the path i would say for you and again it depends on where you're at um what company you're working for like if you're in a job now to where maybe your job isn't your company doesn't have anything in the cloud at all that might be a bad decision for you maybe you look at what your company has what um what the higher level engineers are using and make your way up there but if you're like seeing a dead end here there's no opportunity for you start looking elsewhere start looking at what other companies are looking for if it's cloud see if they're wanting to bring on a ccna who might want to learn some cloud do that and feel free to pick any chats if you see him come up i do like the it's a super chat so whenever he whenever you want to do that one what's his name uh justin justin i'll throw up justin's chat right now thank you justin for the super chat and you can go ahead and read it because i can't find it right now justin asked he just said i recently passed my saa co2 which i believe is the solution architect associate i also have my ccmp enterprise security should i target the network specialty cert or solutions architect professional so that that really depends on on what you really want to do i know that as far as the certs and aws are i know that those two search are neck and neck on difficulty so if you really want to put in the time to go for the networking specialty i've heard it's just a little bit harder than the architect professional but i know if you get the arctic professional that really puts you out there to all of the aws cloud positions whereas if you were to get the networking specialty of course it'd be more of a network heavy thing but i know that you would be people will be coming to pick you up at your house to give you a job if you had an architect professional because that that's still a certain that not a lot of people have so why don't you have a cameron because it's very hard [Laughter] yeah so i can't really have much of that because cameron's got the expertise on that um they both sound great but knowing that you have a c scpp enterprise and security you definitely have a bent towards networking if you're in a position where you're using networking and cloud stuff it might help you out a lot to get the networking specialty nothing stopping you from getting both yeah go get both if you can get both you are the unicorn because those are some those are some really really rare search right there but i know that there's not a lot of people with the advanced networking specialty that's a very very rare one i i haven't i've met one person with it so uh if you want to go network heavy and you have a company that needs it go for it if you're still trying to get into the cloud uh you could go to the architect professional route because you can't go wrong you really can't go wrong with either depends what you want to do and keep in mind too and this is the other thing in again we're we don't know what position you currently have and what you're currently doing right but don't get too certified don't get too cert heavy that's a red flag right don't want to do that so if you already have your aws saa c02 the current version uh then and you don't have a cloud position then i would just focus on applying replaces figuring out how to work that networking how the social networking and how to get that job i have a super chat from their name is panda panda face it's a drawing i don't know how to say it they said when is the best time to start all these courses such as ccna they are 17 from the uk and don't know if they should wait until they finish college course or start now uh now you're talking guys now right now um so you're talking to guys here who did not go to college did not get a degree but i know it's different in the uk uh the environment's a bit different so i can't speak to that completely i know america and the uk are more similar than most places so i it may be that you don't need a degree in the uk but i'm not telling you to quit college like don't don't do not take that advice do both yeah do both um i'll say this you you can burn out real quick if you try to do college and get your ccd at the same time that sucks that sucks what i will say is if you're in a degree program that doesn't have the ccna as part of that you're in the wrong program if your goal is to go down the network engineer path or i.t path and your your degree does not include those certifications pick something else because that's the only degree path i can really recommend to people right now places like wgu and others have the ccna as part of their curriculum when you pass a class or i think it's a whole section of classes your final exam is the ccna certification exam so you walk away with a degree and a ton of certifications that's the best case scenario so no i would never advise you burning yourself out trying to complete all these college courses like networking 101 i mean maybe if you're doing networking one-on-one you can kind of piggyback ccna on that could be learning the same stuff but man do not kill yourself pick one or the other or find a degree program that does both ideal ideal anyways and you're 17 you got time i mean cameron you didn't start until you're what 18. so yeah i got my 8 plus at 18. so they're way ahead of you yeah you got a year you can do a lot in a year you can um oh there was a another question i wanted to get on to trevor m had a super chat let me pull it up thank you trevor he also said wgu yeah um i didn't i went there for a bit didn't finish because i didn't need it it was more of a want i wanted uh anyways he's got a super chat said are there teams that only do cloud migrations do you know about that there uh a lot with us was uh we actually didn't have the the the time to do all those cloud migrations uh so a lot of companies i know are hiring third parties that are very good at doing that companies like hcl or accenture where you hire those companies and they'll bring in a lot of their experts that are really good at migrating applications and servers and all that kind of stuff so yeah if you want to work for them i'm i'm i'm more of a person i want to work on the contract side uh so that wouldn't be something that i would go for uh but if that's something you're into you want to work on new things every single day quick and fast and then move to another project and work on something new every day quick and fast yeah and that's for you i like to be on like an environment that i know and like to work on that constantly and i we are obviously related because i'm the same way um i worked on the msp side and it was the not my cup of tea i hated it uh but yeah there are there are definitely places where if you're if you're working for an msp and a cloud focus man do companies need people to help them move to the cloud right it's not an easy task it's not um especially if you don't understand the cloud or understand how your workflow on-prem will look in the cloud and how to not break because the cloud can be expensive if you don't play it smart you maybe shouldn't move everything to the cloud so yeah there are definitely teams that do that and you can it might even be great as a first job because you'll learn so much learn some learn a lot it'll be overwhelming and then you can use that experience and go find a nice cushy desk job that's supporting one environment that's where you want to be um i got a super chat from bree deshawn i want to show it i'll throw it up here real quick thank you for the super chat they said i have a plus and linux essentials search right now and i'm taking my network plus on thursday what should i focus on after security plus so breathe getting a great foundation and i love that yeah plus linux security plus network plus you're getting the the comptia uh how many searches that just the comptia base the come to your specialty yeah i mean i would definitely say that out of all the search that i've had the one that's made me very uh well covered in a lot of things just knowing it period was definitely the a plus and i know that since i've taken it i think it's been i think it's been two revisions since i've taken it and since i've taken it i think i think it's four for you it's been a lot so i think it's been two revisions since i've taken it but that still gave me a lot of just keywords and small things that really prepared me for uh working with even with things in the cloud there were things i didn't understand if i wouldn't have known anything about the a plus even helped going into my ccna as well because i learned just basic networking mm-hmm so they've they're getting their network plus and then they're going to get on thursday so good luck and then they're going to focus on the security plus and then after that what should they do i mean i think with that foundation they have enough to jump into aws wouldn't you say oh yeah totally you if if that's what you want to do you could totally jump into that if you want to go assistance administration you have enough for that as well but if you're looking for a very cloud heavy uh career you could really jump into any cloud you want and just start going with it because you'll have a big um prerequisite build up of whatever you need to learn to do the cloud now i will say this i mean cameron walked into the cloud with the ccna and some experience in network engineering and that really served them well you're gonna be walking to the cloud with a good foundation of understanding the theory of all those things but those certifications while they're great they don't go deep into hands-on so i'll say that while you have a great theory understanding as you walk into the cloud you'll be able to tackle those things and have a better understanding than most people the hands-on experience you'll want to bring into the cloud as you go into a real job well might be lacking so as you step into learning the cloud you may want to also at the same time when you finish aws maybe jump over ccna if you find you love the networking side maybe jump over to um a red hat certification the rhc the rh csa spend some time learning python so just keep building up those skills as you see where you're weakest i mean it's kind of like it's kind of like going to the gym right i mean if you find that you've been working out your left arm too much and it's massive and you're over here just kind of wiggling in the wind you might want to work that side out too so just do the measurements figure out where you're at each day do do the kind of test for yourself um but adding on to that the one last thing i would get is some coding doesn't matter what you do well a lot of people like to use python i know a guy that does all his coding in the cloud using powershell in aws i love that because if something if something doesn't work he figures out how to make it work so that is fantastic so it just you do what you want they support a lot of languages to use for like serverless or they have different libraries you can use like for python you have like boto3 which is their actual python library for info interfacing with aws uh so coding for sure i would uh i would definitely do that uh as complementary that goes to to any i.t role you have right now wherever if you're on a help desk you can make yourself shine like a diamond right now sorry for the old reference i've been listening to the 2010s uh playlist um but you can shine bright if you have coding skills and you're kind of like there's a guy i worked with who he was on the help desk but he would just figure out coding and kind of like automate part of his job to where he was sometimes just sitting there doing nothing but his computer was doing a lot of stuff smart dude and that that showed he got promotions he did um we got another super chat here i lost it i'm gonna find it now and it's a question i was about to ask you so i love that it uh timed up nice it's from eddie oh i typed in edit eddie where'd he go there he is okay he's not sure if it was mentioned but what resources do you recommend to get started in aws if i'm new to cloud so i'm going to form that question into saying cameron someone to cloud would you say aws cloud essentials or the aws saa c0253434259 i it really just depends on how much you want to jump into it if you really just want to get your hands just a little dirty you could do whatever essentials or cloud practitioner you can always go and spin up a free account whenever you want and mess around with it as long as you stay within the free tier they won't charge you any money uh there's really no penalty there it just really depends on how much you want to get into it there's people that have like i didn't do the cloud practitioner i jumped straight from no cloud to solutions architect so it just depends on how you want to approach it if you think you need a little bit more practice before you go into that that's fine you can easily do the essentials or the cloud practitioner yeah i would say if you're if you're brand new to cloud that's probably the path i take um i wasn't crazy new to it obviously when i started doing the cloud stuff but i did do az 900 which is their azure's cloud essentials and then i jumped into az103 which is now 104 and it it did help me out a lot because i already knew the terms i already knew the basic stuff that i could jump into so yeah it's a good uh it's a good primer i think it may be it's even a good test to see if you like cloud stuff uh you don't get a ton of hands on but you will get a ton of theory and knowledge about what the cloud entails um so i hope that answers your question so i would say i think we're thinking about doing a cloud or aws cloud essentials uh course so do that one first because we're gonna make it for you i do like this one uh i think it's from adeen adin he said hey chuck something off topic is that a macbook you're using what are your thoughts uh using windows versus mac os for sysadmin networking et cetera that really depends on your preference my entire cloud team uses macbooks the networking team that was on before all windows it just really depends on whatever your team wants or whatever you prefer because now i prefer mac because of uh how easy it is to log into servers like linux servers and uh coding type stuff i i prefer mac os and linux for coding but i'm more familiar with windows because that's what i grew up on i can tell you this man i i was the same way so like my previous networking team it was a mix you know if you were new to the team you'd get a windows machine crap hp 500 yeah they're like ordering mass procurement get you this crappy piece of junk and there's a paperweight and if you're on the team for a while you could ask for a macbook so half the team would have macbooks if they've been there for a while have to have crappy uh computers i finally get a macbook is amazing uh so it doesn't matter really they they both of them can do everything right i will say this i use my macbook for stuff like this it's my carry around thing my day-to-day this bad boy right here my windows machine with what windows is doing now with windows 10 and how they're doing wsl2 which allows you to run linux apps natively they have a kernel built in now so i'm running kali linux full gui i just post that video today and it's super easy to do linux windows has windows terminal now they have powershell they have all these things that make it seem very very mac-ish linux-ish that makes it really easy for a programmer a coder a system admin to walk into that world so it's a camera's point it doesn't matter it doesn't matter whatever your products whatever you want i mean yeah same with that one guy who's really good with powershell he has a mac and just virtualizes windows and works on that yeah it really whatever your favorite flavor is whatever you learned and you're really good at go with that it's whatever you work the best with there's not really there's not really one that's the best it's whatever works best for you i've got a random completely random question here and i want to pull it up it's a super chat and it looks fun they said uh it's hammer smash hammer with a three i said i am pen testing an internal network right now i am on a host on the network what else should i scan and look for so we're helping them scan this right now uh i would say what you should look for is open ports get that end map out and scan for open ports um use nmap to scan for uh you use the scripting engine to find out there's any vulnerabilities you can have a vulnerability database check and see if there's any open vulnerabilities on whatever system you're using it'll find out what apps are open what ports are open do that yeah i don't care when you got anything on that i don't really do pen testing so i don't really know yeah look for open ports see what you can exploit check uh check their ssl do they have an old tls yeah and then that's where nmap will shine tools like nmap will find those vulnerabilities i'll see if there's like a heart bleed issue if they're still running that old ssh and the ssl kind of stuff um yeah we can't really give you much more information without you giving us more information this one guy said he has it says hi to my work off a raspberry pi or i do my job with a raspberry pi and you can do that i mean you could if you want they got you got four gigs of ram now on a raspberry pi eight eight eight gigs on a raspberry pi it's ridiculous ridiculous take it wherever you want plug it in exactly exactly you can probably just like attach like a little external battery to it and you can take wherever you want you can you can attach usb battery packs to it yeah um i got super chat from brad baker uh you like bread i like bread uh so just sign up for pluralsight what five certainly or i guess what five courses should i start with thank you get a little greedy aren't we asking for five courses right now that's a lot we'll give you three linux python and networking it depends on where you're at uh if you're just starting in it and you just got your pluralsight thing and you're like what do i do um first i was i would cancel pluralsight and go sign up for this is it i'm just kidding i'm just kidding pluralsight's awesome i don't care what if you were starting out right now and you were brand new fresh you had this massive library to learn from what would you start with i would i would still start with a plus every day as much as it as much as it sucks to watch something so dry to learn it from the beginning i feel like it's helped me amazingly through a lot of uh a lot of different issues like i i don't have any types of windows systems administration background from from before i was doing cloud but i learned just a lot of the in-depth windows things from the a plus that has really helped uh you learn just a lot of deep stuff about random things little stuff about a lot of things like don't walk on the carpet and get electrostatic shock don't install ram with socks on it just don't do that because it'll die some comes in handy and some you forget yes so yeah i'm like i built this bad boy last year you better believe i was relying on my knowledge i learned from mike myers in my a plus course back in 2009 um it all comes in handy yeah i would say a plus dead like that's what you should do always get beginning and then coding start coding now yeah coding now you can never you never code too early uh just find something if i think so something stupid to code for you have to coding is more fun when you find something to code for uh i wanted to buy something from ubiquity and it was out of stock and i didn't know when it was going back in stock so i remember that so i put a script on my raspberry pi that would constantly check and inspect the elements on the website to tell me whenever it switched back to in stock and they would email me so you got to find something that works for you build your build a flask website for your home and do some home automation like you did with his halloween stuff yeah i had a raspberry pi and my halloween automation stuff and i had all kinds of things going on um what else did i do i did some stuff with my youtube stats and telling me all my stats yeah just find projects that interest you and trust me someone's already done it you just have to kind of yeah find it find the project and and do your own thing with it that's what we should write down one of the best skills you can learn is how to google how to google it that's man that's one of the best skills you can learn um got a super chat from travers he says uh where'd he go i'm currently studying for my network plus as well as being a full-time networking student love the channel chuck thank you travers that's a question answer because it's not a question um we got a super chat from vijal or vigil i don't know thank you for the super chat and he says just started as a knock tech got my ccna and bachelorette information systems earlier this year well aws helped me get a cloud position i live near dc yeah yeah like i think so you you similar to cameron you come in with that networking knowledge you're working for a knock um i a lot of knocks probably interface the cloud in some way they might have clients that they help with the cloud right you might be monitoring a circuit that is actually an amazon web services direct connect you may never know or azure express route you may never know what you're monitoring i guarantee you your clients who are in that data center have connections to the cloud they're clients of the cloud so you might find yourself they're calling you hands-on support i need to go reboot the server and there might be another issue like you never know what you find yourself into but yeah you live in dc um i'm assuming they have a lot of cloud there just assuming and yeah i think that'll be a great situation for you rajan what happens when you're not finished writing the script and the item is back in stock then i don't know [Laughter] i like that a lot the world would never know um i guess i'll know when i finish the script won't it so that was all the super chats and we're coming up on like an hour and a half of talking and we're almost dead and he just worked out before with us because he works at planet fitness he just works out at planet works out at planet fitness um yeah we're gonna call it a night uh any more questions we'll come back and do this again because i know you guys like having cameron on here so thank you cameron for being here yep um i hope you got all your cloud questions answered again those three things you want to learn for the cloud to supplement what you're doing with aws or azure or google cloud whatever linux networking coding it can be python it could be powershell it could be bash scripting whatever you can learn it's going to aid you because like what you said um aws has these modules all these frameworks that just connect into whatever you want to use yeah and then they're so easy to learn people have done videos the amount of documentation for them is too much almost hard to read sometimes but they dot i bet you about all the club providers like say document everything so let's go out there and learn go out there and learn so learn everything right now um if you haven't already seen that i released it right loose i'm losing my mind right now i can't talk i released an aws course with anthony square and david bomble check that out below it's only ten dollars right now so check that out and then do you think me and cameron should make a aws course we'd be thinking about doing a cloud practitioner course so let us know let us know we'll catch you guys later [Music] so [Music] so [Music] again [Music] [Music] [Music] again [Music] [Music] so [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] huh [Music] again [Music] yes [Music] so [Music] all right like any good marvel movie we're back we're giving away some free coffee go away child we're not done yet i'm giving away some coffee um here is the website get your cart 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