>>> LAST QUESTION, WE'RE OUT OF TIME BUT ONE MORE QUESTION. DURING JIM CROW, COULD YOU FAMILY HAVE EXISTED? YOU ARE IN AN INTERRACIAL MARRIAGE. YOUR WIFE IS A WHITE CONSERVATIVE ACTIVIST. COULD YOU FAMILY HAVE EXISTED AT ALL DURING JIM CROW? >> NO, IT COULD NOT, JOY. WE ALL KNOW THAT. THAT'S WHY I'M PLEASED TO LIVE IN AMERICA TODAY AS OPPOSED TO AMERICA IN THAT TIME. BUT WE CANNOT IGNORE THE REALITIES OF NOT HAVING FATHERS IN HOMES. THAT IS IMPORTANT TO OUR BLACK PEOPLE TODAY AND ALL PEOPLE TODAY AS WE MOVE FORWARD FOR A BETTER AMERICA. >> WE ARE OUT OF TIME. WHAT I'M GRATEFUL FOR IS WE DO NOT LIVE IN THE JIM CROW ERA AND THAT FATHERS DO NOT FACE LYNCHING. >> I'M VERY GRATEFUL OF THAT. >> PERHAPS DON'T BRING UP JIM CROW WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE THAT EXAMPLE. >> THAT WAS A SMALL PART OF MY INTERVIEW WITH BYRON DONALDS LAST NIGHT. WE'LL BE DISSECTING THAT WITH OUR FRIDAY POLITICAL PANEL. BASIL SMIKLE, OUR BRAND-NEW MSNBC POLITICAL ANALYST, THE PUBLIC POLICY DIRECTOR AT THE ROOSEVELT HOUSE INSTITUTE OF HUNTER COLLEGE, AND DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST AND CLAY CANE, HOST OF THE CLAY CANE SHOW AND AUTHOR OF, THE GRIFT, THE DOWNWARD SPIRAL OF BLACK REPUBLICANS FROM THE PARTY OF LINCOLN TO THE CULT OF TRUMP. I HAVE MY COPYRIGHT HERE. I BELIEVE I'M STILL WAITING FOR A SIGNATURE, BUT I HAVE IT HERE. IT'S WHY I WANTED TO HAVE YOU ON TODAY. BECAUSE I WANT YOU TO EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT THESE GUYS ARE DOING. BECAUSE BYRON DONALDS, HE WOULDN'T KNOW FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, HIS FAMILY WASN'T JAMAICAN, HIS FAMILY WASN'T HERE DURING JIM CROW. BUT HE'S SMART ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT LIFE WAS NOT BETTER FOR BLACK FAMILIES DURING JIM CROW, YET HE WENT RIGHT TO THAT TROPE AFTER TALKING ABOUT HAVING A SINGLE MOM. MEANING HE'S LATCHING ON TO THE TROPE THAT WHAT LBJ DID WAS CREATE A BUNCH OF BLACK WELFARE QUEENS BY SAVING US FROM POVERTY. WHY DO THEY DO THAT? >> IT IS FOR PROXIMITY TO POWER. IT IS TO GET A LOT OF DONATIONS FROM THE HERITAGE FOUNDATION. I HAVE TO SAY THE INTERVIEW WAS SO POWERFUL, JOY, WITH THE SECOND EDITION, I MIGHT HAVE TO INCLUDE SOME QUOTES WITH THE GRIFT. BUT I WANT TO SAY THIS, TOO. I MEAN THIS RESPECTFULLY. THIS IS NOT AN INDICTMENT OF INTERRACIAL RELATIONSHIPS AS YOU KNOW, I HAVE A BLACK FATHER AND A WHITE MOTHER. BYRON DONALDS, TIM SCOTT, HERSCHEL WALKER, WESLEY HUNT, THEY HAVE ALL MADE THESE DISGUSTING COMMENTS ABOUT THE BLACK FAMILY AND BLACK FATHERS AND BLACK MOTHERS AND BLACK FATHERS MUST STAY WITH BLACK MOTHERS AND BLACK MARRIAGES. YET THEY'RE ALL PARTNERED WITH WOMEN WHO ARE NOT BLACK. SO IT'S VERY PERPLEXING TO ME THAT YOU HAVE THESE HUGE INDICTMENTS OF THE BLACK FAMILY, AND YOU ARE PART OF WHAT THE BLACK PERSON, IF YOU HAVE THIS GREAT INVESTMENT IN IT, AND YOU'RE MAKING YOURSELF AN EXPERT ON IT, THEN I WOULD THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO YOU IN YOUR OWN PERSONAL LIFE. BUT IT ISN'T. BECAUSE IT ISN'T ABOUT THE BLACK FAMILY. BECAUSE IF IT WAS ABOUT THE BLACK FAMILY, YOU WOULD CARE ABOUT FAIR HOUSING, FAIR WAGES, HEALTH CARE, VOTING RIGHTS. THE JOHN LEWIS VOTING RIGHTS ACT THAT BYRON DONALDS VOTED AGAINST AND THEN WENT BACK TO HIS PARTNER WHO HAPPENS TO NOT BE BLACK. SO IT IS A RACIAL SECURITY BLANKET, AS SOME GREAT FOLKS SAID ON SOCIAL MEDIA. AND I THINK ABOUT AN ARTICLE FROM THE HERITAGE FOUNDATION SAYING BLACK NEEDS A BLACK WIVES MATTER MOVEMENT. IT IS A GRIFTING ON YOUR RACE, IT IS THE BLUEPRINT FROM MY BOOK, AND IT IS REALLY DISAPPOINTING. AND MY FATHER, HIS BIRTHDAY WAS THIS WEEK, WAS IN MY LIFE EVERY STEP OF THE WAY. MY GRANDFATHER WAS RAISED IN THE JIM CROW SOUTH AND LEFT THE SOUTH TO BUILD HIS OWN FAMILY. HE KNOWS WHAT HE'S DOING. AND I THINK THAT HIS SUPPORTERS MAY BE -- HE USED THE WORD INVIGORATED, MIGHT BE INVIGORATED BY THOSE WORDS. >> IT IS A THING, AND TIM SCOTT, AND BOTH OF THEM CLAIM TO BE TRUMP'S VP PICKS. I DON'T BELIEVE IT. FIRST, BYRON DONALDS IS IN FLORIDA. JUST LIKE HE WAS GOING TO BE SPEAKER AND THAT WAS ALSO ADMITTED TO BE JUST BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO HAVE SOMEBODY BLACK. TIM SCOTT HAS NOW LAUNCHED THIS $14 MILLION OUTREACH EFFORT TO MINORITY VOTERS BASED ON WHAT? WHAT BLACK PEOPLE IS HE LEADING INTO THE PARTY? I CAN'T -- I DON'T WANT TO USE A DEROGATORY TERM FOR WHAT HE'S DOING, BUT IT'S A DANCE HE DOES FOR DONALD TRUMP. HE DANCES FOR TRUMP. HUMILIATES HIMSELF FOR TRUMP. HOW IS THAT SUPPOSED TO BRING BLACK PEOPLE INTO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY? >> THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. IF YOU REMEMBER AFTER THE 2012 ELECTION, THERE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THIS EXPLORATION OF WHY THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS NOT ATTRACTING PEOPLE OF COLOR. LOOK HOW WELL THAT DID. IT REALLY IS >> HE IS AN AVATAR FOR WHAT OTHER PEOPLE ARE SAYING, NOT ONLY INTERNALLY, BUT OUT LOUD. THAT IS SOMEBODY WHO LOOKS LIKE ME IS BEING USED TO GO AHEAD AND PROMOTE THOSE KINDS OF TALKING POINTS. IT IS REALLY ANTITHETICAL, I THINK, TO THE PEOPLE WHO FOUGHT AND DIED ON A MOVEMENT THAT ALLOWED HIM TO HAVE THE KIND OF MARRIAGE THAT HE NOW CELEBRATES. IT IS REALLY JUST ABSOLUTELY ABSURD, BUT IT ALSO SIGNALS A POLICY INITIATIVE, A POLICY TERM . BECAUSE I DON'T THINK ABOUT THIS IN A VACUUM. I HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THIS AS A LARGER, BROADER STRATEGY THAT SOMEONE, SOMEWHERE, WHETHER IT IS HERITAGE OR ANY OTHER GROUP IS NOW TRYING TO MAKE POLICY BASED ON SOME OF THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE THAT LOOK LIKE ME, THAT SHOULD NOT BE SAYING THESE THINGS, BASED ON WHAT THEY ARE SAYING. SO IT IS ABSOLUTELY REALLY, REALLY DISTURBING. AND I WOULD JUST MAKE THIS OTHER POINT, THAT THESE REALLY CYNICAL OPPORTUNITIES THAT THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN, THIS SO-CALLED OUTREACH TO COMMUNITIES OF COLOR, TO AFRICAN-AMERICAN VOTERS IS SO HALFHEARTED, IT IS SO CYNICAL. AND, QUITE FRANKLY,
