>>> IN THE WAKE OF 34 FELONY CONVICTIONS, DONALD TRUMP IS SET ON ONE THING, REVENGE. HE HAS SUGGESTED THAT HE WOULD BE INTERESTED IN PROSECUTING HIS POLITICAL ENEMIES IF HE IS ELECTED PRESIDENT AGAIN. LAWMAKERS ARE IN STEP WITH THEIR LEADER, GETTING ALVIN BRAGG TO TESTIFY ABOUT THE TRIAL. MILLIONS OF AMERICANS HEAD TO THE POLLS, TRUMP, MORE THAN EVER, WILL BE FOCUSED ONLY ON HIS FAVORITE ISSUE, HIMSELF. JOINING ME IS THE POLITICAL STRATEGIST AND COHOST OF THE DAILY BEAST AND THE DEMOCRACY PODCAST. LADIES, ALWAYS GOOD TO HAVE YOU HERE. HAVE A GREAT NEW PIECE FOR MSNBC ONLINE WHERE YOU SAY THAT HE IS NOT JUST SAYING THESE THINGS TO EXCITE HIS BASE AND RAISE MONEY, HE BELIEVES IN RETRIBUTION AND THIS HAS BECOME CENTRAL TO HIS BASE. TALKING REVENGE MIGHT WORK FOR HIM, HOW EFFECTIVE IS THE MESSAGE AS A PLATFORM FOR ATTRACTING OTHER VOTERS? >> IT'S INTERESTING, THANK YOU FOR HIGHLIGHTING THE PIECE. WE ARE IN JUNE RIGHT NOW, IT IS STILL EARLY. BIDEN GETS HIS BASE BACK AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO SEE CLOSED POLES. THIS RACE WILL COME DOWN TO SUBURBAN WOMEN. THE ONE THING THAT WE SAW FROM 2020 IS THAT THEY DON'T LIKE A BULLY. THEY DON'T LIKE PEOPLE WHO BULLY OTHER PEOPLE. THAT IS WHAT DONALD TRUMP WILL COME ACROSS AS IF HE CONTINUES, WHICH I THINK HE WILL. LET'S FACE IT, THE WAY THAT HE RAN FOR 2024 WAS BECAUSE HE WANTED TO STAY OUT OF JAIL AND TAKE REVENGE AGAINST YOUNGER PEOPLE. THAT IS THE WAY IT IS GOING TO GO, WHEN IT COMES TO SWING VOTERS, IT WILL BACKFIRE. >> I DID FIND SOMETHING INTERESTING IN THE ABC NEWS POLL THAT FOUND THAT 52% OF INDEPENDENTS THAT WERE POLLED, DOUBLE HATERS, THEY HAVE THE UNFAVORABLE VIEW OF TRUMP AND BIDEN, THEY FELT THAT TRUMP SHOULD DROP OUT OF THE 2024 PRESIDENTIAL RACE AND GIVEN THAT IS UNLIKELY TO HAPPEN, WHAT COULD THAT MEAN GOING INTO NOVEMBER? >> I'M WITH YOU, I DO NOT PARTICULARLY PAY ATTENTION TO THEM. YOU KNOW HOW TO DRESS. WHAT WE UNDERSTAND RIGHT NOW, DONALD TRUMP AND HIS RHETORIC IS RESONATING WITH HIS BASE. RESONATING WITH HIS DONORS. THEY HAVE CONTINUED TO OPEN UP THEIR COFFERS. WHEN IT COMES TO INDEPENDENCE AND WOMEN AND PEOPLE WHO UNDERSTAND AND SEE WHAT IS HAPPENING STATE-BY-STATE WITH THE ROLL OF THEIR RIGHTS, THEY LOOK AT THE LARGER PICTURE AND SAY, WHAT DOES HIS TRIBUNE OCEAN HAVE TO DO WITH ME? HOW TO TEACH MY DAUGHTER ABOUT THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE NO CONTROL OVER THEIR BODIES AND THEIR FUTURES. THE MORE THAT DEMOCRATS CAN FOCUS THE ATTENTION OF THE ELECTORATE ON THE POLICIES AND NOT JUST THE RHETORIC, THEN WE WILL SEE THAT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS THAT ON 19th CENTURY AMERICA AND PEOPLE NEED TO WAKE UP TO THAT. >> ALONG THAT VEIN, WE ARE SEEING THAT HE IS STARTING TO NARROW DOWN YOUR SEARCH FOR A RUNNING MATE. SOURCES ARE TELLING NBC NEWS THAT THE TOP PROSPECTS ARE THE NORTH DAKOTA GOVERNOR, I HAVE TO BE REMINDED OF WHO HE IS ALL THE TIME. TIM SCOTT OF SOUTH CAROLINA AND I WILL ADD MY OWN PERSONAL FOOTNOTE, VERY NOTABLY, NONE OF THEM ARE WOMEN. SO BEYOND GIVING LOYAL TO DONALD TRUMP, DO THESE PEOPLE BRING ANYTHING OF VALUE THAT WILL ATTRACT AN INDEPENDENT? >> ABSOLUTELY NOT. THEY WILL BE TURNING AWAY POTENTIAL INDEPENDENCE I SHOULD SAY. IT IS NO DOUBT ABOUT IT. THE ONLY THING HE IS LOOKING FOR IN A RUNNING MATE IS SOMEONE THAT WILL FALL IN LINE. HE THINKS BY PICKING AN AFRICAN- AMERICAN MAN OR HISPANIC MAN THAT MIGHT HELP THEM WITH THOSE COMMUNITIES. IT WILL NOT. THEY ALSO HAVE A BASE THEY CAN TALK TO AND DONALD TRUMP DOESN'T LIKE THAT. THE NORTH DAKOTA GOVERNOR IS SOMEONE WHO NO ONE KNOWS AND HAS NO PLATFORM AND IS PROBABLY SOMEONE THAT DONALD TRUMP REALLY LIKES. THE ONLY QUESTION IS HOW MUCH MONEY DOES HE HAVE? TRUMP MIGHT BE ENVIOUS OF THAT. >> DANIELLE, I WANT TO STAY ON THIS TOPIC. IT IS A REALLY IMPORTANT ONE. WE HAVE SEEN WHAT DONALD TRUMP DOES. SUSAN BRINGS UP SUCH GOOD POINTS. IF THESE DON'T BRING ANYTHING OF QUALITY TO THE TABLE AND ALIENATE POTENTIAL VOTERS, OF THOSE FOUR, DO YOU THINK THAT ANY OF THEM HAVE A BETTER CHANCE, DOUG, I ALWAYS HAVE TO BE REMINDED WHO HE IS. >> IN ALL HONESTY, DONALD TRUMP DOES NOT CARE ABOUT WHAT IS BEST FOR THE COUNTRY. HE CARES ABOUT HAVING SOMEBODY THAT WILL BE HIS YES-MAN. SOMEBODY WHO IF IN FACT, YOU ARE PUT BACK IN THE 2020 POSITION, THAT YOU ARE GOING TO LOOK AT DONALD TRUMP AND LOOK AWAY FROM THE CONSTITUTION. HE NEEDS PEOPLE THAT ARE 100% DRINKING THE KOOL-AID AND DO NOT TAKE AWAY THE SHINE FROM HIM. THAT IS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT. YOU ARE NOT GOING TO SEE NIKKI HALEY OR ANY OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE THERE. THEY HAVE THEIR OWN SHINE. FOR YOU HAVING TO REMIND YOURSELF, HE FITS THE BILL. NO ONE KNOWS HIM, HE LOOKS THE PART THAT DONALD TRUMP REALLY LIKES. HE IS RICH. THAT IS WHAT DONALD TRUMP WANTS IN HIS CORNER. SOMEONE THAT WILL SAY YES. WHAT WE LOOK FOR IN A VICE PRESIDENT HAS AMERICANS AND VOTERS IS NOT WHAT DONALD TRUMP IS LOOKING FOR. >> I HAVE LESS THAN A MINUTE. I DID WANT TO STAY ON THIS. THIS IS A REALLY IMPORTANT POINT. PEOPLE DO PAY ATTENTION TO YOUR PICK AND WE HAVE HEARD HOW AMAZING -- WHAT KAMALA HARRIS BRINGS TO THE TABLE, HER LIFE SKILLS. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE OPTIONS AVAILABLE TO DONALD TRUMP, WE TALKED ABOUT HIS CRIMINALITY, IT IS A BUFFET OF NOTHINGNESS. IT IS THE IDEA OF PICKING SOMEONE THAT HE CAN MOLD INTO SOMEONE THAT HE WANTS THEM TO BE. >> ABSOLUTELY. HE DOES NOT WANT A VICE PRESIDENT THAT BRINGS SOMETHING TO THE TABLE. HE DOES NOT WANT ONE THAT HAS A PLATFORM OR AGENDA. WHEN YOU LOOK AT VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS, SHE BROUGHT A LOT. NOT BECAUSE SHE WAS A WOMAN OR PERSON OF COLOR. SHE BALANCED OUT THE TICKET. IT MADE SENSE. ANYONE WHO HAS A BRAIN WON'T AGREE TO BE HIS VP CHOICE. ANYONE WHO AGREES, IT IS ABOUT A STRAIGHT AMBITI
