Winchester Model 70

petcock 45 on a humid sultry day doesn't matter the life goes on and look what I have a model 70 super grade perhaps the ultimate hunting rifle for many years around 80 years I guess right and I'm just out here hunting a little bit I'm looking for a hog I'm going to find a wild haul so come on with me we might find one if I could find a rest here I think I see one oh and here's a rest look a black blimp coming right out of that tree well let's just use it let's see if I can find something over there to shoot at this looks hoggish yeah I think I see one wow he must be wearing armor well if you heard that steel or not actually there's a red plate just look like a hog let's try that little red plate over there all right look at him swing nice nice pull this rifle is nice this is John's by the way but it's all model 70 let's go on over to 230 actually from up here we're at 250 at least so and you know what there's a dog over there AR 500 steel at 250 yards also so let's see if I can hit him you know I think I hit him but I it really was a bad let off let me try my him again no yeah that was better right it sounded like I wounded him on the first one let's try that little red plate next to him all right let's get steady for that one now ah I got him all right it's amazing what you can do with a scope and distance in a nice rifle isn't it so this is the the Model 70 it's a new one super great vlogs the John and I love it I really do might have one for myself here one day so we're gonna talk about it and and let you know what we know about it yeah it shoots it shoots well way better than I can that's for sure so let's go down here to the shooting table talk about a little bit okay we'll give you all sorts of non-essential information about it before it's over like I said this is John's we didn't get this one from buds and appreciate all the help buds gun shop comm gives us and we could have gotten one from buds but John just happened to have one so I worked out pretty well so look at that pretty rifle nice finish nice wood and everything John's got a kind of a temporary scope on it he's gonna I think upgrade that and put a better scope on it but you know it works you can't argue with that we get her sighted in so that's not all bad and you know the darn thing works so it's a little polled scope and again it's a super grade it says we're on the bottom super grade and we're gonna talk about the Model 70 and the change is a little bit about the changes through the years on this classic rifle and that kind of thing and before we start again though don't forget that we have that page that link in our description you know video descriptions all of them or you can go join the NRA if you're not a member and get a discount there so please do that helps us helps the NRA and more importantly than anything it helps the gun rights movement so keep that in mind and also we're going to shoot some federal ammo been lately just shooting some of this well you can see what it is there it's a 760 by 51 168 grain for the m1 a you know it's just what I sided it in with so I thought I'll stick with that for today not actually hunting I know you thought you're gonna see a haul go tumbling right but and that's what I do that's what we do John and I we just like good ammo and - we shoot targets and we don't even stretch it out very often at something that's 800 yards or 500 yards although we've done a little that we're gonna try to do a little more of that down arrange in Chapel Hill where John's a member and that's kind of fun more fun I realized but generally speaking we just we just like wish the shoot you know good ammo reasonable distances and test guns and she done and all that sort of thing so but you know there's all kinds of great 308 ammo this is 308 and there's all sorts of incredible rounds about every manufacturer right especially federal but every manufacturer it's one of those popular chamberings on the planet you could say right well like I said or I think I said maybe this is called the Rifleman's rifle the model 70 from Winchester it came about in 1936 so it's been around a while there's other good bolt-action rifles out there of course you know Savage Remington Ruger and you know just name them there's custom guns Montana I mean there's a lot of good guns out there this one was a production firearm and when it came out it pretty much took the market okay it wasn't as crowded a market back in the 1930s as it is today right and it started with the model 54 what was the guy's name Johnson uh Thomas Crosley Johnson I think that came up with the model 54 and Winchester chambered a couple of three rounds and it started that 220 swift I thank the 270 you know in the model 54 then he died in the mid 30s and they they they they took that visible opportunity sounds like they're waiting for him to die I don't mean that but after he died they took the model 54 they upgraded it and made it the model 70 okay and of course that was before World War two and it became pretty popular I think pretty quickly and then of course World War two was a bit of an interruption right for a gun manufacturing because they needed to be making Duran's and want carbines and lots of other things not hunting rifles so much but then after World War two they got going again with it in 46 and they call those the transition guns and I think 46 through 48 or 49 or whatever and then making it again and then they're off to the races from the late 40s to 63 they made think about 600,000 of these things and also many different chamberings even configurations they had a feather why they call it a feather way to the Alaska and the African models they just made this in so many different shame because it was so popular and so beloved it still is and so it basically took the country and I would say the rest is history but that's not all of it let's shoot her some more one of the things I like about it again I'm a little remiss I have never owned one of these things a good friend of mine has had one unfortunately it was stolen from him back in when was that the 70s yeah and so I wasn't into the bolt-action rifles as much then so I couldn't appreciate it as much but it was a pre 6436 model 70 can you imagine how sick that made them because you know anything about the 360 force and we'll talk about that you know it's just those are really those are nice however if we're going through all the gyrations over the years and different ownership and everything else they're really making them a thunderbolt that they're making these again more like the old ones and they're they're very smooth and they're very nice I'll shoot it okay again your safety is going like the Mauser half right there that means you can do anything you want with it and it won't fire pull the trigger nothing all the way back locks up the bolt like a three-position safety on a on a mauser get my ears back on and I'm just gonna shoot offhand you know again it's kind of a hunting rifle it's not necessarily a competition rifle or I know we're a military rifle even though it was used some in the military but it's just a good old hunting rifle and known to be you know smooth accurate reliable if you were actually hunting and you're gonna try to shoot a deer or something that's like 70 or 80 yards you'd probably want to get a brace for it if you could or you get kneeled down go to prone whatever suits you best I'm just gonna stand this shoot the thing I see a watermelon over there we're [ __ ] hit it I think I touched it maybe touch him again let's go to a two liter over there yeah for this thing is sweet what about the middle red plate you just can't miss with it as I said before and some of you might be saying well I guess not you've got a scope on it you know you got a bolt-action rifle with a scope you shouldn't be missing too much but you know really when you're standing and shooting there's there's nothing magical about having a scope that makes you more steady okay yeah and in fact seeing exactly where the crosshairs are sometimes it can it messes with your mind because you know if you have metallic sights and you're say I'm bearing down on that red plate I think I'm on it well enough to shoot I'll show you I hit it okay well put a scope on I'm holding on it and I wow that little crosshair it goes on it off on it off it you know with the lead with your heartbeat and so it messes with your mind a little bit and it's not necessarily a lot easier okay so you know that if you shot with a scope now when you put it down and rest it on something like I was up there it's a little different matter one of the things that's so cool about this is the bolt it's famous for having a smooth action there's something about the angle and the way the bolt is made and when you're ready to shoot in it it just works so well even with a scope on it yeah I normally don't like scopes that much sir I've been going to me in some ways but I like that bolt and I like the smoothness of it you know you might notice it copies pretty much the Mouser bolt but boy it's a smooth rifle it's nice so like I was saying before I was rudely interrupted there the they started making these in 36 the improvement over the model 54 you know all sorts of chamberings and from the 40s on up until 63 it pretty much ruled today I think in a bolt-action rifle hunting rifle the Rifleman's rifle I don't know if if Jack O'Connor coined that phrase or not he was probably responsible for promoting had if anything he was a famous gun writer a book writer and rifleman hunter of the days I'm not sure what his when he lived well I know he lived in the I think the forties fifties sixties I'm not sure his birth and death date but he was a famous gun writer and hunter he loved the model 70 he loved the the the 270 cartridge is a huge proponent of that and was very influential you know in this area again I've not been a big hunter but I I know a hunter I know people who do it and I you know just from reading and being involved in guns you you absorb a lot of that kind of thing so for example I've never hunted but I know I've known who Jack O'Connor is for a long time okay and so idiot you know it's been considered the Rifleman's rifle it's just just a sweetie the big negative is of course in the 1963 due to labor costs and whatever production costs I think the Remington 700 was out I forget what year it came out in but there was some competition by then more competition and they need to figure out a way to make it more economically let's say not she and 63 it goes the same with the lever guns Winchester they redesigned the guns so they could be made more economically and they did some things this this rifle in a lot of ways this like a pre 64 because they've in recent years they've gone back to that but they went away from this controlled fee this has controlled feed let me put a round in for those you don't know that means okay go ahead and we're pointed down round set that up there I put the safety on okay now when I pull this out see it's gonna pull that round the round that's captured by the extractor there see it gets up around the rim so the roundest / it's controlled you know in and out they it picks it up that way from the magazine and so it ejects that way so it's controlled feed that big extractor you know that mouths are like extractor non-rotating extractor see it does rotate it stays right there that's why it's called non rotating I guess and they did away with that they changed the ejector they changed the action of it okay again money-saving deal they went to a pressed check ring and this seems to be maybe cut I mean it's machine cut I guess but it doesn't seem pressed and some things like that to cut cost they changed materials of the trigger guard and the floor plate here had been metal had been steel milled out steel and everything they went to stampings or aluminum and some of course I don't line the aluminum long as it takes the bluing well makes the gun lighter but that they changed the way they made the barrel I think the barrel had been cut buddy they went to Ford's barrels and they changed the action from what I understand they went to a forged receiver and stood I guess milled milled out but on the positive side it was actually stronger from my reading he's actually stronger so some of the things were not necessarily worse they were actually stronger maybe even a little bit better but people didn't like it's just like the lever guns they changed the receivers from steel to was some kind of alloy and they didn't take the bluing the same way especially the early ones oh my gosh what have you done to my lover it's a Winchester you know in the same with these and so that's why 364 Winchester's are almost a religion okay if you're ever at a gun show and you see a winchester Model 70 line there or even a lever against and it says pre 64 on the tag they put that on the tag for a reason it's like saying golden Li okay because it was made before they made those big changes and you'll be able to tell by the price these I think retail for around I think 13 something like that some of that ballpark if this was a pre 64 I guess it wouldn't be a 308 would they do it like I said three or four 3006 a this is 3006 but the price difference would be maybe fifteen hundred dollars this might be three thousand dollars or more depending on the on the date the serial number when it was made alright part of its real maybe part of its not part of its legend myth yeah we just like the pre 64 models okay the more collectible they're gonna be more valuable down the road they will appreciate in value yeah they just will because I make anymore 364 Winchester's did ahead how's that for a news flash they're not making any more 364 Winchester's they're not making any more first generation Colt single-action so some of you probably didn't realize that but it is it makes it like a piece of real estate okay so anyway that's the big thing about Winchester's pre 64 post 64 post 63 or whatever the big big divide there let's shoot a someone - I got this is all same ammo here again we keep federal helping us out here you know when you start firing big center fire rifle rounds can get expensive can it sure does shooting anything can get expensive you know these days and we're very lucky then you get help from two or three people it makes a difference in what we do how often we do it now happy we are when we do it how's that all right I know I'm not hunting or anything but uh I just like to shoot even this gun it's fun to shoot I'm gonna smoke that pot with it no can put safety off and then I'm gonna smoke that pot let's poke a liter up there whoo that wood came back at me Oh let's see I need to smoke that pot was dry okay yeah see if I had doused it with that 2-liter it wouldn't have been as smoky yeah I would have put the fire out let's try that now here I was bragging on the action what do I have here okay didn't get the call rounded or something there we go finding down in the magazine there we go I'll try that 11 ounce er or 12 ounce er why always going to call those an 11 ounce er yeah it's kind of weird but boy these things are famous for having a smooth bolt that is like glass I don't know if you can hear how it sounds to you but it just is so smooth feels so good and I'm perspiring all over your rifle John sorry I'm a I'm a sweater in case you haven't noticed I'm gonna perspire so if it gets this hot I'm really a perspire I really like this rifle I might just not give it back to you john-boy that's cool let's see let me take the bolt out and push this little button here releases the bolt see looks a lot like to a Mauser bolt right and that's the neat thing about a bolt gun too and again for the new shooters they're of this the design it makes for a very accurate your rifle it's that simple because you don't have all the moving parts it locks up really solidly you know it's just that cartridge just shouldn't move at all should not move at all and that's what makes these so accurate and that's why they're popular and always have been for hunting yeah and for sniping right the other B people the hog lad you got a sniper got your hands on a sniper rifle everything's a sniper rifle for some people and but you know this was actually used as a sniper rifle in Vietnam you may have heard of Carlos Hathcock he at least on his first tour he made some famous shots with one of these and I'm not sure what he used all through you know his career in Vietnam but when when Vietnam got cranked up they got to looking at what they had they were and okay we got our three Springfield's you know as far as military you know weapons rifles sniper rifles they could put scopes on and things and many of those were worn you know and and everything and so they had been training actually with with these even for World War two they were training with model uh 70s I read and actually use them a little bit in the Pacific Theater I read but they weren't used widespread in World War two and but the the Marines Marines were competing with model seventies and and so it was kind of a natural to use them in in Vietnam you know further the sniper rifles quote-unquote I think even the army did the same thing that went back got some of these you neural scopes of eight power you neural scopes from World War two pop them on there and you know they got the job done so quite a rich history with the model seventy you know a lot of decades of use and it's gone through so many generations oh man it's sad in a way it is sad I understand it to some extent you don't want to understand it when a company is making a great product you know and a lot of handwork and then they just muck it up that's with an M they muck it up you know and the reasons they feel like they have to to stay competitive or whatever John and I were talking about before it'd be nice if they could continue that they could even 63-64 they could have just continued with this but then offer another model with those changes that was you know priceless or something we're price the same and maybe this one doubles in price but you still have it it's like the Python or something that Colt offers the Colt single-action yeah I worry about that you know what's gonna happen Colts having financial problems what's going to happen we're gonna learn in two years while we figure out a way to make the Colt single-action we can keep making it but we got to make the trigger guard and a bunch of parts out of aluminum and we got a Croma instead of use nickel or so you know yeah I wouldn't be surprised as I'm crazy like that just keep making it the way you do whatever it costs really if you want to offer one made out of pewter or something okay but make it the way you're making it don't change a thing because they're doing a good job right now just like they were with this this firearm and we'll try to afford it if we can we can't we can't but anyway there are icons you know of American and we hate to see that happen so there's my little diatribe on it I hate to see what happened the positive side it's great that they're back you know it's really and if you read about this now you may have read some negative stuff about it but by and large these are supposed to be some of the very best models 70 0 ever made and guess who's making them now is part of the reason it's owned by FN now is I think as I speak if you look at the history they were making a Winchester up until about well 63 and then up into around 1980 even though they made the changes you know I talked about then 80 81 they sold to us repeating arms and I think the quality was kind of sketchy at times there of course and and but then up in around 2006 2007 boy it's hard to keep up with how it is somehow FN Browning Winchester a lot of its just licensing and I'm still not sure how all that works that's confusing but but FN was making them I think over in Belgium maybe at first then they started making them in Columbia South Carolina that model 70s now I think they're having them made in Portugal this one says made in Portugal in fact Oh Portugal they know they were big arms manufacturing country company but as I understand FN is still in charge of it and so if FN is making them okay I can live with that FN makes good stuff alright so so we're just your name but if FN is in charge maybe that's not all bad you know we know what's happened to some gun companies the ownership and things can go to pot right so maybe FN can can keep the quality up I'm gonna see a few more if you don't mind yeah again there's your safety oh we haven't shot this paper stay what I'll do it hold right in the red in the middle it should shoot low because of our borax is in the scope now let's don't let's hold the top of the blue I'm gonna write on the top edge of the blue yeah so that puts it in the red if I hold on top of the blue okay so you always you have to allow for that remember if you've got a deer that walks up on you or a wild hog at ten feet that's good to know I'll bet it'll knock a bowling pin off this thing is so easy to work the bolt on you can wrap it fire them up feels good the only negative is it holds five rounds instead of thirty okay but again it's the hunting shotgun hunting rifle excuse me the hunting rifle man so as a little bit about it anyway you can read a lot more about the model seventy if you have interest and all the changes and the gyrations that the companies have gone through like I say the most significant change was there in 63 64 and it's great that it's still being made and that there they have kind of gotten back to to what it used to be so that's pretty cool that doesn't mean if you get one that was made you know 1974 or 1994 it's a piece of junk or something it just made a little bit differently they have a lot of they actually went back to the controlled feed bolt the 90s I think somewhere along the way but for a long time they had a push feed you know just it didn't pick up the cartridge like that just pushed it in and the controlled feed I think people who hunt dangerous game like me to leaders and well people hunt dangerous game I think prefer the control feed and more control over the cartridge more reliable you know you get something charging you it's more likely to pick up the round and get an eject the other one I think now there may be people who differ disagree on that but depends on the rifle maybe who makes it but I guess I mean they're gonna work they're gonna work in fact I would have had a model 70 I ordered one from a guy a new one back in about 1990 and long in their again for 50 a twin mag flavor not it came in his kind of a guy sold out of his house fffd luring small-time FF dealers FFL dealer it came in and the crack was the stock was cracked major major crack in it obviously they put a green stock on it it had a bad bad crack in and because I didn't take it and otherwise I'd have had a 458 win Magon and one I probably still would have it but they're nice I like them I I'm gonna have to have one I think and I'm just not sure what's chambering it's going to be because while I'm not a hunter it's just such a nice rifle and I love the bolt way it works and they shoot so well so it was there anything else that I didn't tell you about this thing that I need to this is the super great as I said and you get the nicer wood with a super grade and the super grave you look on their website they come in various calibers they make an Africa and you know an Alaska and all these different different models and a lot of you can get everything you can just about imagine in a rifle cartridge ok 375 H&H 458 30 I said I could name them all day and they either aren't available or they have been ok so model 70 the Rifleman's rifle maybe you'd be better if a hunter talked to you about it but I took quite a bit hunting here on the range so I know a little bit about hunting and I know a good rifle and when I feel it and want to shoot it and this is just a beauty it is a beauty and there's just nothing more classic than model 70 if you ever hear someone talking about the winchester model 70 you know this is it it's a better classic for a long time its beloved a lot of people will tell you when you pick a model 70 up and shoulder it and just use it operate it there's a there's a feel there there's a romance there I say there's just a indescribable feel and balance to it that you can't find in a lot of other rifles okay there are people who would disagree with that of course and they do make it in different stock weights and that sort of thing so there are a lot of different variations of it but the big thing is that free 64 okay if you see one of those on the rack expect it to be at a collectables price okay but the model 70 has been around a long time 1936 I was still pretty young then but I kind of remember when it came out and I just didn't have a lot of need for at that time so we appreciate you coming by to enjoy just to bask in the ambience of such a classic and appreciate you letting me use it John glad y'all came and we'll talk to you later life is good hey I hope you guys enjoyed that video I'm sure if you didn't we'll be hearing from you but while you're here I want to make sure you guys are aware of SDI the Sonoran Desert Institute they are a fully accredited online distance learning program where you can get certified in gunsmithing with hands-on experience and also an associate's degree in firearms technology and they are very accepting of GI bill to it work a lot with veterans so go over to SDI dot edu and check them out see if that's something that you're interested in and also while you're going out on the interwebs and looking at things like that don't forget be a [ __ ] 25 Facebook if you're a Facebook kind of guy check that out hit got 45 Facebook also the real Hickok 45 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Views: 997,172

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Keywords: Winchester, Model 70, .308, 7.62X51, Bolt action, Bolt gun, Classic, Charles Hathcock, 308, NATO, Mauser bolt

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Length: 32min 27sec (1947 seconds)

Published: Thu Oct 26 2017