Why AI Matters And How To Deal With The Coming Change w/ Emad Mostaque | EP #52

by next year end of the year I believe you'll have Chachi pity on your mobile phone say that one more time by the end of next year you'll have chat EPT on your mobile phone without internet today the world changes this is a regime change four of the top 10 app store apps in December were based on stable diffusion 41 of all code on GitHub right now is AI generated we have figured out how to make humans scale so you have this amazing thing that can create anything how far out are you able to see can you have a sense of predicting where we are in 10 years I can't see possible ideas there's enough fear and some of it is deserved but there also needs to be hope humans are humans bring them the information that creates the most value and you will change the world yeah I'm excited to share with you one of the most extraordinary conversations I had at this year's annual abundance 360 Summit it was with a friend someone I've had on this podcast before Imad moustak who's the founder and CEO of stability AI you know his company from a number of his products including stable diffusion we sat down to talk about his moonshots to talk about how generative AI is changing the world what do you do if you're a 20 year old just getting involved or if you're a seasoned CEO or entrepreneur and how is this going to change the world of Hollywood education Healthcare you know it was an incredible conversation I'm excited for you to hear you know my mission through this podcast is to help you hear the voices that are filled with optimism and abundance if that's of interest to you then please subscribe to this podcast all right enjoy the episode but into this episode you should have a pretty good idea where you stand on AI are you excited about it you fearful of it I'd love to know feel free to share your stance with me on Twitter hey pal sir how's it going buddy uh listen I know you have so much going on right now uh it's insane that we are in the midst of uh the most extraordinary period of Technology ever and you're in the thick of it yeah I think what's it a good phrase is everything ever all at once yes yeah that's basically what it is I can't mention the conversations he's been having the last 30 minutes but it would blow your mind all right I'm going to give you this clicker you have some uh some slides to show you know I think the very first uh question to ask is if you were going to sort of bring people up to speed on on where we are right now would you share some of what your thoughts are here we have figured out how to make humans scale how do you make humans scale that's the most difficult thing um basically classical AI was all about taking stuff and extrapolating it we figured out how to figure out principles and latent knowledge with huge compression in these files as we'll talk about in a bit like the most valuable thing you can have is a good EA or a really good analyst I have asked her if she's amazing makes such a difference I'm sure all of you in this audience realize that right we now have that basically what we've done is we've trained these things on large amounts about huge amounts of data to understand principles and now when you use a gpt4 it's like a really talented intern analyst with a bad memory and we're about to fix the memory and it knows how to pass the medical bar exact bar exam or medical licensing and others it knows how to draw beautiful pictures or create audio of any type and it's basically available to everyone for pennies that's weird to think what does that mean it can mean huge disruption or it could mean basically we're at the point of utopia and abundance so if you don't mind I'd like people know stable diffusion and you'll show them the chart that really rocked me when I first saw it but what are the wide range of things that stability AI is working on right now where do you want to go um uh and you can tell us about it please no I can tell you basically my aim is to provide the building blocks for a society OS every part of society if you have skilled experts in them our mission is to build a foundation to activate Humanity's potential and across every single modality we're building models so audio video protein folding DNA chemical reactions language and others we're doing it for every sector so you've got a banker GPT a board GPT to replace all your crap board members you know all the way down to National models so we're doing an Indian national model at the moment an Indonesian one a Japanese one so that everyone can have a file that they put words in and images audio text anything pops out that's appropriate to you to enhance you so I wanna I wanna click on that one because it's very important people talk about biases in the system but what you're talking about is creating like what you're calling a foundational model that is biased to you or to your company or your country yes the existing internet has centralized artificial intelligence that guides our attention or memorization where we go with this technology we can push internet intelligence to the edge so every single person country culture company can have their own AIS and that's an amazing thing because it can work for you not against you right and so that's the personalization because what is bias right there are inherent biases in our society and things but you can never move fast on this thing we can't move fast enough to address them but then what if you could have your own stories because everyone here has a story everyone your members of a360 you believe in abundance you know there's a whole variety of things that make us who we are have the AI respond to your own story and work for you and I think that's the intelligent internet and that's the amazing future we have coming that is and you built stability AI is an open platform yeah uh which is very different from everybody else yep I mean uh it's interesting right open AI has that name and very funny if you go to openai.com it doesn't go to open AI it goes to stable well actually open Dot AI here open Dot AI sorry yeah uh which is pretty funny so uh inappropriate because you are the open AI platform yeah I mean actually openai.com also works um but yeah I mean basically where we were was that we had this explosion of like research look this is again exponential literal exponential of the amount of ml research that occurred and we were like let's build a generalized intelligence when open AI another start we didn't know how to do it and then we found this one thing called a Transformer that pays attention to the important things like you guys are paying attention to the important things that we're saying right now as opposed to just treating everything the same and it figured out that we could scale it with these gpus like gantic supercomputers they didn't know exactly how to do it so they just kept on adding more and more supercomputers and we've got a lot like our super computer is 10 times faster than NASA's right our new supercomputer is 10 times faster than that which is again exponential but then they thought this solves everything scale solves everything but have you ever seen a generalized system that outperforms A specialized system no but that means you have to give people the tools to make it a specialized system you're never going to send all your internal company data to chat GPT or gpt4 so that's an interesting point um and I don't know if I heard it from you or elsewhere where some of the banks and large corporations are not sending uh their data and allowing employees to use chat GPT they don't want Microsoft having access to it so what's the alternative how do you how do you go around that we have the most popular language models in the world gptj and neon x 25 million downloads and we're about to release our next Generation open source models again base models and then you'll have the banker board versions Indian version so I get to use it on my own system that no one else has access to you get to go is it via Amazon Google Intel anyone on-prem in your Cloud you own it again it's like you basically it's like actually one thing it's like again these are like very talented analysts getting an analyst on secondment from Microsoft he goes back to Microsoft versus hiring your own analyst right these are the two modalities so you'll have these big private proprietary models whereas lots of secret sources they have these open interpretable models where you see how the how the cookie is made as it were that you own and I think the latter is far more powerful than the former because you don't need a model that does everything then you give people the tools they need and the ownership to create their own experiences and accelerate themselves let me ask you you know we're all here trying to understand where this is going how far out are you able to see can you have a sense of predicting where we are in 10 years five years I can't see past five years you can't see past five years no because by next year end of the year I believe you'll have chat GPT on your mobile phone say that one more time by the end of next year you'll have chat GPT on your mobile phone without internet wow so maybe they're talking about someone yeah let's name it properly yeah so uh incredible because you've talked about taking how many terabytes of data down to a couple of gigabytes So like um actually this is probably one thing that I wanted to talk about quickly the easiest way for us to communicate has been speech is what we're doing now text has been harder but you've seen with chat gbt it's not easy you just ask it to rewrite your kind of emails and with Office 365 and workspace I'll do that and visual was the hardest these have all been flattened by this technology now so we can communicate anything but the technology behind it as you said was a bit crazy to do this what we did so stable diffusion was our text to image model we were like do we do it big and do loads of layers or do we make it accessible and we were like accessible so we worked super hard Manhattan Project and we took a hundred thousand gigabytes of images two billion and created a two gigabyte file that can generate anything okay let's slow that down because the meaning of that is is insane how many terabytes was it it was 0.1 100 terabytes yes 100 000 gigabytes and the output was a two gigabyte file that can create anything and that two gigabytes is you know sits on your phone your laptop in your brain it was the whole stack so intelligence is compression you're going to go away from this event and you're going to compress the in things that you learn and have tea takeaways right that's what we do and that's what these machines do now but again it's a single file four of the top 10 app store apps in December were based on stable diffusion and it was the entire stack a single file of Weights of numbers that's extraordinary words go in images come out and it's the same chat GPT is a single file that's just a couple files but let's say it's a single file words go in code comes out amazing essays come out so this is something a bit different and again it's like again you've taught an analyst just about everything or as an artist the analyst and things like that I think we'll get it down to 100 megabytes and it went insane because we made it like that so this is I think this is what you texted me and I said huh so um you know a lot of us were doing web three and we were all like developers developers are cool right in three months we overtook Bitcoin and ethereum and developed a popularity and the bottom here is the years and on the axis and the y-axis here is the number of uh GitHub developers yeah developers who love it and so when I when you sent me that I thought that was the axis line yeah so cumulatively the whole ecosystem built around this thing which is a bit like a game engine has overtaken Linux again Linux 20 years this five months because we gave it to everyone and it runs on your MacBook on your iPhone without internet so you have this amazing thing that can create anything I think that's profound right like so we've seen the spin it's profound indeed yeah we've seen the speed just explode can we expect it to get faster and faster yeah I think you can so look words go in images come out a lot of you have kind of seen this you can generate anything but since the release in August we sped up a hundred times well we've gone from six things as an image to 60 images a second and the quality has improved and basically the next version is photorealistic so 60 images per second is like video yeah we pretty much got video so my question is is Hollywood scarecilla so are they excited that's good it's a mixture there's a few people who sketch shirtless and we'll talk about some of the stuff coming down the pipeline later because you know which one I had a discussion like should we scare everyone shitless completely or should we kind of do hope and so I'm going to do hope actually I think I'm gonna focus on this this is the most disruptive thing ever because again humans can scale so you don't need as many humans there was an MIT study I think I'll send it to you it just came out it showed that basically the third to the seventh decile you've got like 30 better the top five percent got orders of magnitude better or multiples better with this technology and so it lifts humanity and the ability to communicate and do things so this is the hopeful future I that we share and the abundance mindset um that I think is really important for people to take away there's enough fear and some of it is deserved but there also needs to be hope I think I think we always have to look at the unchanging between versus the inevitable so an inevitable is 41 of all code on GitHub right now is AI generated wow to six months chat GPT can pass a glue level 3 programmer exam and it will run pretty much on a MacBook or that's this year this year right now yeah there are no programmers in five years no programmers in five years so those of you with kids who you were having you know with python lessons and so forth maybe it's instead helping them to understand uh how to ask great questions or give great directions or prompts yeah like with this this is a technological Marvel that we sped up 100 times because we have amazing developers and we have communities of hundreds of thousands I went to gpt4 and I said help me write some code to change the nature of inference or something called int 8 to info which is only a year old so it's not in the data set and it figured it out and it works awesome straight out I also to create asteroids in D3 along with the high school thing yeah and I copy pasted it it worked the game straight out so again we have to kind of think about this and we have to think but what can you do well the answer is you can do anything now because a lot of the stuff that blocks you isn't there anymore any of you can now be creative any of you can now build systems and so you build the systems that adhere to the unchanging demands of people to make their lives better and that's value and they'll pay you for that value we're all creators and we're in fact all we had Will I Am last night at our our Patron dinner who's this incredible Creative Energy across all modalities and all of a sudden you're not restricted by what you learned in school you can bring the best to anything you desire as to anything you can control it so you can just say like you know take something and change it to its original form you know like this you know from mindset to materialization which version of you do you like best exactly and this is just with words there's no more prompts I just say I want to change it to this or that and it happens instantly now with the new version you know you can say let's do Dynamic adaptation again it happens in one second you generate all of these variants you know now you don't need those prompts people say like there's all these magical spells you don't say that you say I want to turn Woody into a still from a western right or a place of fruit with cake so it also becomes more natural what are interfaces in the future interfaces are nothing it's all about human extension and it's about information theories at the core of all computer science information is valuable in as much as it changes the state now we finally have a friend to be with us all the time that can bring us the most valuable information and the most valuable State changes you're a 20 year old uh I know his dream audience here or in the room or 23 year old and you're trying to decide what to do now uh what is your advice you just throw yourself 100 into this it's the biggest change in society ever it'll be more disruptive than the pandemic in the next year or two and I led the United Nations begins covered 19. kayak you know helping organize the world's cover knowledge and make it accessible and useful yeah so I saw that coming um it'll be for positive and negative because you can do things that could never be heard of as an example we have an upscaler it goes from one to eight pixels to 4K in 1.5 seconds back to that that's amazing what can you do with that this is the thing you are given now the recipes and tools what can you do so there's going to be a thousand companies spending 10 million dollars each this year I spoke to one of the big four accounting firms they were like do we need Auditors anymore I'm like probably not as many all right and then they said okay we're going to spend 300 million dollars in the next two quarters trying to figure this out but that's times many many firms everything everywhere all at once and again this is the meticness we've seen this type of thing happen like with the Silicon Valley Bank collapse yeah our societies appear more and more connects and we've talked about expert systems I mean how long have we talked about exercise systems for yeah about yogs they're here now right and again this is why you can do these crazy things like why don't you create your own studio so how do we play this uh we play this video you speak and it magically happens play this is a video rock paper scissors that was done using our technology by two guys in like four days and it's a whole seven minute video at this level of quality that's all you need so why not create amazing kind of videos and things like that but we're going to get to a point soon enough and I'll ask for your prediction where I can say I want a movie about this theme 90 minutes long starring my favorite stars um how when do we see that that's personalized movie I think you get there in the next couple of years like rock paper scissors too again look it up on Google will be five times as far so the next version will be fully generated by putting a script in I mean like this one if you press play and it automatically generates a music lyric video so of course we don't have sound uh but you can go on deep Floyd AI on Twitter and see it automatically generated kind of this music lyric video you know just from a song input with the entire kind of style of this as well so everyone here is a filmmaker everyone I mean for me we have a common passion in disrupting and Reinventing education yeah uh where I can have in a virtual world I learn about anything I want a time machine to go and have my favorite you know characters teaching me about what anything I need um and that's two years away yeah I mean that actually might be here right now I mean again have you seen Glasses free 3D displays and all sorts of crazy things but one of the things with this is contextualization because again we are the stories we make so one of the things we work on that's quite fun is can you make remake Game of Thrones as a j drama from Korea it's the infinite and the characters turned Korean right wow I'm also trying to get George RR Martin and HBO to let me remake Game of Thrones season eight because it was terrible uh uh yeah and actually it's very interesting why because Game of Thrones season one to seven everyone had agency and the meaning was in the interaction between our stories of the characters whereas the last one tried to get us to an ending and so it felt so disjointed so I'm like I'll help you write your book we have the script writing AI coming out and a book writing AI coming out and so we can tell better stories that are more empathetic and engaging because again this is more engaging for the thing you can customize your thing everywhere you can customize to every learner how crazy is that and there's even crazy all at once every new theme let's imagine you're in the audience here you're a business owner uh entrepreneur CEO and uh what do you do next I think what you have to do next again is kind of what you said you need to have a dedicated there's nothing more important in your entire business than this yeah so I want to Echo that right today the world changes electricity is made available the telephone is made available internet's made available and this is all of those things together all at once everywhere yeah this is 5G this is bigger than 5G over a trillion dollars went to 5G more will go into here actually I'll give you an example because again it's always the unchanging versus the inevitable right I gave the whole of stability AI the week off at the end of the egg so I was like holy crap you're doing a lot right because we have everything right and we do it with we only have 150 people yet we do every modality because we have the power of community and open behind us setting the standard so I give the whole team the week off said go to sleep turned off all the things because you're gonna die if you don't get some rest so of course business decided covered that stability aico around more stack competitive to open AI says you're all going to die in 2023. we might remake press as well what can I say um but then what happened is you know I was just chilling and I got like five calls from Headmasters of UK schools emad what's our generative AI strategy what all our children are using chat GPT to do their homework essays I was like don't set homework essays get good so again homework is never the same for every teacher all at once and so you have to look at your industry and again what will not be the same when you have the ability to scale humans yeah this is the question that you have to ask yourself like in Eaton now Bastion of British education they do their essays live by hand because I told them to do that because I went to Westminster who I told to embrace the technology right so again it says Peter says there'll only be companies that Embrace that and those who don't um I think the way that it pairs out because I was a hedge fund manager invested tens of billions of dollars you know like Einstein markets as well is that if you are in something that's a SAS company you're going to have to really think hard because gbt4 for example and again we'll have our equivalent of that but we're taking a different approach Of Swarm intelligence versus General has a 32 000 token context window which means you can feed it 20 000 words of instructions well what is open AI at right now that's their one gpt4 the one that they do open AI is the best language more you should use open AI and you should use all models coming up as well private data and general data hybrid AI you know um but that means you can basically tell it all of HR instructions for something like workday what does workday do then because it can be replaced by a single 200 megabyte file which you can query on your laptop or your phone well yeah eventually but not now but it doesn't matter it costs like two dollars for query right right I mean it's insane so but then you have to think if you're in a regulator industry have super normal margins you know if you're in a creative industry again you can basically either embrace it to have higher Revenue cheaper costs or not like I'll give you an example one of our movie directors um did a film well actually I can't give you an example let's just say millions of dollars is being saved at the moment using this technology and again you just have to really think through it and go going back to our audience here who you know used technology but don't have ai embedded in their DNA uh I've shared the idea of having a chief AI officer who's really a strategist for you because you're not building your own AIS you're deciding which platforms to use right yeah and again a very few companies will build their own AI so I think it'll just be Google Microsoft open in us that build the foundation models that everyone uses because you don't need to because again it's like where the universities churning out the most amazing graduates effectively you know some of them you can borrow and they're specialized by those guys and some of them you can hire yourself through your gpus or kind of whatever my suggestion is that that keep what's the key but the thing is how do you find that person you know and until they're an AI no how do you find that first advice the advice is you need to First find someone who's passionate about this because this is so new so one of the things that makes us different is that we're community-based organization we came out of a community so we have developers one of them was an Amazon warehouse worker last year and taught himself had a code nice another one's a 19 year old 50 year PhD with three graduate degrees you know clear it's not going to be the person who is traditionally the person you would think about it is driven by Passion it's driven by Passion everyone here understands the importance of passion yes and passion is what you need for this because this is a regime change it is not more of what came before so you have to throw yourself in it and have that flexibility of mind and the key thing is can it bring you what the next thing is for your industry you know hey everybody this is Peter a quick break from the episode you know I'm a firm believer that science and technology and how entrepreneurs can change the world is the only real news out there worth consuming I don't watch the crisis News Network I call CNN or Fox and hear every devastating piece of news on the planet I spend my time training my neural net the way I see the World by looking at the incredible breakthroughs in science and technology you know how entrepreneurs are solving the world's Grand challenges what the breakthroughs are in longevity how exponential Technologies are Transforming Our World so twice a week I put out a Blog one blog is looking at the future of longevity age reversal biotech increasing your health span the other blog looks at exponential Technologies AI 3D printing synthetic biology AR VR blockchain these Technologies are transforming what you as an entrepreneur can do if this is the kind of news you want to learn about and shape your neural Nets with go to demandis.com backslash blog and learn more now back to the episode we share a moonshot in education I've had the ability to support to some degree what you're doing just chat one second about your your vision on Malawi yeah so um you know X price for learning fantastic prize by Tony who's here next week tomorrow I think and then Elon Musk for the first app that could teach literacy and numeracy in 18 months without internet we've been deploying that into refugee camps the winner of that all around the world from rohingya to Malawi to Kenya and we're teaching 76 percent of kids literacy and numeracy in one hour a day and 13 months in the worst places in the world with adaptive learning you know let's give it up he does yeah but that's been the core of imad's uh passion and moonshots but he's taking it a step further take a step further because by doing that this is without this AI so we work with the malawian government as the first two example we're feeding 30 of all the kids in Malawi we're going to go to 100 and give every child a Malawi their own AI I want to call it one eye for child I've been told not to um and that's kind of what our charity imagine worldwide but then we've built a special type of bond with the World Bank and UBS whereby you put down 20 million dollars you only pay of a million kids approvably educated and so we're going to use that and the ball Bank pays up front and then you can have it in your pension fund and see how a million kids are doing we're going to use that to scale these tablets plus high-speed internet in every school to every child across Africa nine out of 10 kids in Africa cannot read and write a sentence by the age of 10. what happens when they all have their own AI that works for them that's in as intelligent as chat GPT and Healthcare on that tablet yes the AI teaches the kids learns from the kids and that will also create the national models for every country because right now we hold the eyes open of the AI we teach the whole internet which is why it goes a bit crazy you know and again we use reinforcement learning and other things to guide it this will be different so that technology scales again there's nothing more as impactful as one-to-one tuition and now we can do it in an empathetic way that adapts to each child I believe that we can also address things like dyslexia and other things so it's just information processing and you will see that coming we're doing a big drive towards that any information processing issues will be solved by this are you an auditory learner visual learner there are no more interfaces so it's completely customized learning for the individual their favorite color sports star way of learning modality knows exactly where they are and where they need to go building the foundation to activate Humanity's potential and so we're going to open source our new language models uh in our next month and then we're going to announce the next generation of this an open model for all of the world that you deserve for education and health can other things because humans are humans bring them the information that creates the most value and you will change the world is this going to revolutionize Healthcare to the point of yes let's give it up for a remote on that one yes we've got just two minutes left here hell and then you're coming back to the Q a which will be the fun part because the audience gets to participate uh I've always talked about the best diagnosticians the best health care is going to be AI which is going to level a playing field the poorest child the wealthiest child same level yeah across the board yes humans are humans this is why I kind of did the kayak project what a great advantage that is it's a huge advantage and again this is the thing this is the great equalizer or it's the great controller which is why I'm open versus closed yes this cannot be controlled by any entity we have to distribute this because I believe this is a human rights it's the next element we can introduce you [Applause] we're in the middle of the AI Wars and a little rumor told me that you got kicked off LinkedIn today yeah they identified our website as malware first last week and then made all our job description today who owns LinkedIn by the way I couldn't say oh Microsoft so it's going to be very interesting the stakes are really high um so there's a lot of people that don't want this technology to go out to the world again I think putting it on these tablets for these kids building a National Mall to everyone again our mission is to build the foundation to activate Humanity's potential and our motto is not don't be able to make people happier and the happiest you can be is when you have agency let everyone have their own agency and create insane things on that note let's give it up pretty modern stock okay [Music] thank you

Channel: Peter H. Diamandis

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Length: 31min 1sec (1861 seconds)

Published: Thu Jun 29 2023