How The Founder of Oculus Plans To Save America w/ Palmer Luckey | EP#37

you sold the Oculus to Facebook you were basically a kid and you offers you a billion dollars and you say no so in the end it ended up being a 2.3 billion dollar deal how do you turn down a billion dollars how old were you then um at the time I would have been 20. yeah would have been 20. I didn't know anything about AI when we started the company we didn't even know what product we were gonna make in 2019 we won Bloomberg's most controversial tech company in Tech award in 2017 we won wired's worst company in Silicon Valley award you're doing something very different now we need better weapons if we are going to ethically engage in Warfare people like oh my God you've opened up Pandora's Box how are we going to deal with that it's basically already solved we're just waiting for the products to come out that's how they're gonna make VR cool it's not engineering it's marketing it's a virtual reality headset that kills you when you die in the game this is a science fiction concept that has existed for decades we build robotic submarines that can dive to depths of over 6 000 meters I mean it may be down there right now we just don't know I could tell you but but then have to have me play your headset this was going to be the future it was going to be not just the next computational platform but the final computational platform [Music] welcome to moonshots and mindsets my conversation today is with Palmer lucky the incredible inventor entrepreneur the creator of oculus who famously turned down a billion dollars from Mark Zuckerberg to go on and ultimately get 2.3 billion for selling Oculus to Facebook but today the conversation wasn't a different subject it was on a conversation that was titled rebooting the Arsenal democracy because after Palmer sold his company to Facebook and exited he didn't go and start another VR company he started a defense company of all things combining AI robotics drones and machine learning to create a new layer of defense for the United States an extraordinary pivot so I sat down with Palmer at abundance 360 to talk about his company where it's going and it buzzed the entire audience he was probably read the number one conversation and it really surprised me so depending on how you feel about our military is it something that makes you proud and excited or you don't like talking about defense this is a conversation to have because in the world today defending democracy is a critically important thing and how are exponential technology is going to be used my massive transformative purpose is to inspire and guide entrepreneurs to create a hopeful compelling and abundant future in humanity and that's what I'm doing with this podcast to open up every relationship every conversation I have with you to inspire you to support you in going big in helping uplift Humanity if that's of interest to you please subscribe to this podcast allow me to share with you the wisdom that I'm learning from the most incredible moonshot entrepreneurs on the planet let's dive into this conversation with Palmer lucky the CEO founder of Andrew and get ready hold on if buddy very high energy very high energy well you got to be come on I mean it's the most exciting time to be alive all right come on you bounce out of bed in the morning excited don't you most mornings yeah mornings so I I have to start with a couple of questions uh just because I have to so you sold the Oculus to Facebook and you go and meet with Mark Zuckerberg and he offers you a billion dollars now I mean you were basically a kid who had this sort of working prototype and you offers you have a billion dollars and you say no and then he offers you how much so in the end it ended up being a 2.3 billion dollar deal plus 700 million dollars in uh performance bonuses which we actually uh achieved all the performance metrics years ahead of schedule so that was pretty cool so how do you turn down the billion at the time I would have been 20. yeah it would have been 20. that's kind of life-changing amount of money like why and seriously why do you turn on a billion dollars did you really think he would come back well I the main thing is we weren't looking to sell the company so when we had this first discussion we did we we were actually by then quite a ways beyond having just a work you know we had sold our dk1 we had sold about 55 000 virtual reality headsets to game developers around the world so you were on the path yeah we're on a path to launching consumer product we had a lot of game developers that were supporting us we were true like religious zealots of VR we believed that this was going to be the future it was going to be not just the next computational platform but the final computational platform the only one fully capable of encompassing every other form of media and human communication you know we really bought into the into this and so when it came with a billion dollars like look I I that would make us a lot of money but I think that we're going to be able to do what we need to do on our own there's no reason for me to sell this to another company and so the thing that changed it was it really the offer going up to two billion dollars it was the fact that that was paired with an offer to continue spending billions of dollars every single year for a decade plus until we achieved mainstream adoption and that that's the thing that really gets to you as an entrepreneur like well I could do this on my own I might even make more money in the end if I maintain ownership in this thing as it becomes a multi hundred billion dollars to your vision and on a much faster timeline than I would ever be able to do and Facebook was in a different position you know almost 10 years ago than than they were today I mean there were other companies interested in buying us and I won't say necessarily who they are but because I you know I don't want to be that kind of guy nobody's going to want to talk to me anymore but there were companies are interested in buying us but the problem is these other big tech companies VR was an interesting Sideshow for them not the way they saw their entire business pivoting for the next decade they were going to change the name of their company for that they were gonna well they would change the company they used you to sell more game consoles they'd use you to kind of be in interesting marketing gimmick but their Facebook was one of the only companies that came in and said this is this is our future we believe that we are going to Pivot the entire company so when people acted surprise when Facebook changed their name to meta you know that that wasn't something that happened overnight that was you know the culmination of 10 years of of and you know really part of the pitch that got us to sell to them in the first place so you're doing something very different now uh explained to the group what anderol systems does sure so anderol is a defense Product Company we build weapons uh it's obviously pretty different from working in the gaming and entertainment and virtual reality space but it was something that I really felt was going to be very important uh the reason I ended up in the space is because in short I looked out at the world and I realized there was this fiction taking holds in the minds of people even smart people that we lived at the end of history people called it that that there was never going to be any more large-scale conflict that economic entanglements precluded the idea of large-scale warfare and that therefore it was not something that was worth investing in we didn't need to get better at it we didn't need to be more efficient at it we didn't need the ability to increase our Precision in our military action because at the end of the day it's an outdated thing that was a thing you know part of the past and so you had a lot of tech companies that were also hugely dependent on China and thus unwilling to do anything that would upset the Chinese government you had a lot of tech companies refusing to do work with the Department of Defense a lot of defense companies that were totally incompetent in areas like artificial intelligence Sensor Fusion high-end networking and processing Robotics and then startups didn't get into the defense space one because it's not cool two because they couldn't raise money to get into the space and three because the government is so bad at buying from startups that they shouldn't raise money to do that even if they wanted to and I realized that this was something I was pretty worried about there's never been a point in U.S history where our best technology companies have refused to work with the military so imagine if in the run-up to World War II if Westinghouse and General Electric had said you know I don't think that we can work with the United States military Imperial Japan is just too big of a revenue opportunity for us imagine if during the Cold War if you had had General Electric or Bell Labs saying you know we love America and all but I think that we need to be a transnational corporation that doesn't really pick a side between things like democracy and authoritarianism because you know we really think that the Soviet Union they've got a really good concentration of energy resources that we just need to you know make sure we have unfettered access to and that really really spooked me I felt like we were in a similar situation today and I wanted to do something about that so that's how I ended up I I get it [Applause] [Music] we've got even with some standing up the family Applause here I I will say I've just got to do a quick a quick detour to say this this is the the Palmer lucky I Told You So tour um to 2022 now into 2023 because people are cheering when we started this company we were vilified people were told the most charitable interpretation we got from most people is that it was a waste of time it was somewhere between your evil and what you're doing is irrelevant to the Future and you and you're just wasting your resources and like in 2019 we won Bloomberg's most controversial tech company in Tech award in 2017 we won wired's worst company in Silicon Valley award I mean wow so I I want to put a perspective it's now that we've had large-scale conflict return with a Vengeance now that people understand the Dynamics of China and Taiwan in the near future it's easy for everybody to say oh man this is great I love what you're doing but man it was not popular I remember my first web Summit after I'd been a website twice at Oculus I came back with Andrew just glares it was brutal this episode is brought to you by levels one of the most important things that I do to try and maintain my Peak vitality and Longevity is to monitor my blood glucose more importantly the foods that I eat and how they Peak the glucose levels in my blood now glucose is the fuel that powers your brain it's really important High prolonged levels of glucose what's called hyperglycemia leads to everything from heart disease to alzheimer's to sexual dysfunction to diabetes and it's not good the challenge is all of us are different all of us respond to different foods in different ways like for me if I eat bananas it spikes my blood glucose if I eat 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the West in Elven uh the idea being that it is the sword that allows the the kingdom of man to stand against the oncoming thralls of of Mordor um and there are two quotes from the books that I that I think really drove us naming the company one is the man who Bears this weapon wields a sword more deadly than any that has ever existed I'm like okay that's pretty sweet but then there's there's a better one that actually drove it and it is I love the sword not for the brightness of the blade nor the keenness of the edge but for that which it protects and that was what we wanted to get across and internally too I wanted to reinforce this to my employees we're not building weapons because it's cool because of the brightness of the blade the keenness of the edge you know the the fastness of the Drone we are building it because of that which which is America and our allies around the world who believe in self-determination democracy freedom of speech and I thought that that was important we're not you know we're not we're not an inanimate object we are we are we are a conscious sword that fights for a specific side so when I was looking to try and find a faculty member here to talk about exponentials it's so challenging because there's so many different Technologies but what I loved about your dude Palmers you're converging so many of them right you're bringing them together in extraordinary systems can you just talk a little bit about the various uh games and toys in your toy chest the Andrew toy Chester my personal well actually they're probably very cool but I have I have a submarine so that's pretty cool yeah but Andrew also has a some so my submarine you put people inside of it because I want to be inside of it uh but we Andrew I mean we we build robotic submarines that can dive to depths of over 6 000 meters one of them is actually the longest range electric vehicle in the world of any kind it has a range of thousands of miles totally autonomously on all electric power totally Silent not possible to detect non-nuclear that's exclusive we've got some good stuff in there so robotic submarines Advanced autonomous aircraft autonomous ground vehicles uh we're building things that are in space we have a few space force contracts that I can't talk about the specifics of and we're working on something that is uh not not a domain that has been heretofore unexploited has been the underground domain the thing is nobody since the Cold War has conceived they're called subterreens so submarines that go into terrain subterrains uh you they're not practical to put people into and you can't communicate with something that's deep underground but autonomy and artificial intelligence allow you to for the first time have payloads that can do useful things operating autonomously deep underground for long distances so I mean it may be down there right now we just don't know yeah it was interesting I could tell you but but then you'd have to have me play your headset uh we'll get to that later uh uh drones how many drone designs I mean that seems like the most interesting place we've got six aerial vehicles that we've announced and then we've got another half dozen that have not been announced they're all purpose built for specific use cases some of them are protecting military bases from incoming drone threats right now so I mean overseas in combat zones right now some of them are doing it here in the United States we have other drones that are providing targeting for long range Precision Fire Systems so you don't have to move like right now the guy the way that you put guided a laser on a target a lot of time you have a jtac you have a guy who literally has to get close to them point a laser at them and then he's the one guiding it the problem is the enemies that we have all have sensors that detect that laser and the second you start lazing they're gonna try to kill you if you can replace that job with a drone you can take a person out of Harm's Way that had a 50 50 shot of coming back from any real conflict amazing um AR and VR what are you doing in that world I mean that's your your legacy or your your starting point I should say not your legacy you have plenty of legacies left uh how far has that Tech gotten are you happy with the advances and what are you doing in Andrew look I'm happy and I'm unhappy I I don't want to complain too much because everyone who gets blown out of their own company I was fired I didn't leave Oculus um everyone gets blown out of their own company looks at it and says oh I could have done it better I would have made different decisions and I of course would have and I think that meta has dropped the ball on quite a few things I think magic leap dropped the ball on quite a few things um you know it really pains me as a VR Enthusiast at the same time though my fundamental Outlook hasn't changed uh like we are clearly on a path to where we can make virtual reality devices that provide Matrix level immersion within our lifetimes and we're going to be able to replace at least the sense of vision perfectly within the next 10 years and we're going to get very close in the next three years uh and I it's an incredible thing to allow you to virtually experience anything that you can conceive of that you can imagine that you want another person to experience whether it's practical or for entertainment uh you know or or you know or for any other purpose um I'm I'm still a big believer is the tech there or do we need to invent something to get to to I guess resolution of the the visual cortex so we're going to be fine like the the great thing about VR is it's not it's like AI I say 10 years ago it was not clear when the Breakthrough would happen what it would look like how would we get to AI that scales to something that if not AGI at least it you know feels like yeah it appears to be jgi um for for many use cases and it was kind of unclear what the path was for VR it's a very clear path you can literally chart it on the roadmap of every major contract manufacturer in the world you know exactly what's going to happen what resolution you need what nanometer processes you need to use to make it happen and so it's it's just this March towards implementing things that have already been invented we don't need any new inventions we don't need any new technology we just need to keep iterating on what we already have and we'll Brute Force our way there within a few years so if I were going to be critical of the VR world right now because I've got a whole bunch of oculus headsets unboxed in box still it's it's still the cumbersomeness of wearing it for any length of time yes how are we going to deal with that it's basically already solved we're just waiting for the products to come out so like Quest Pro weighs over 700 grams and it's pretty big it just came out it's pretty Advanced but it's not using a recent advancement that has been made possible which is called pancake Optics they reflect the the beam inside internally a few times they've been around for actually decades but only recently have displays become bright enough that you can emit polarized light that is high enough brightness to overcome overcome the optical inefficiency of pancake Optics there is a headset that just came out it's called the big screen VR headset highly suggests you guys check it out it is cost less than a quest Pro it's 999 instead of 1500 and instead of 750 grams it weighs 179 grams it's a fifth of the weight it looks like a tiny pair of the smallest ski goggles you've ever seen and it's super close to your face better tracking higher resolution and the Apple headset that's coming out soon is the next Generation display from the same company that makes their displays like there's some stuff coming that is extremely good it's not sunglasses but it's very close and apple is going to Market it well enough they're going to pay to put it on all the celebrities and then everyone's going to believe that it's cool just like with shutter Shades and those big giant Lady Gaga glasses they were really dumb but people loved them because they were on famous people and apples Apple's going to do it again that's how they're going to make VR cool it's not engineering it's marketing amazing amazing you know I remember the human interface Labs up in Seattle used to talk about these virtual retinal displays where you would paint with a laser on the back of the retina sure is that Tech ever going to see the delay sure yeah so vrd is virtual retinal displays yeah there's a few companies that have been working on it I think it was it's it's it's a really cool technology that made a lot of sense there's a company called microvision that was working on remember tape microvision was one of the first three stocks that I bought I got I invested 500 in the stock market and it was Apple Lockheed Martin and microvision and uh microvision didn't do as hot as the other ones but I think that basically that that technology is interesting but I think it's been supplanted by other technologies that take advantage of these multi hundred billion dollar investments into uh semiconductor manufacturing silicon silicon manufacturing processes like making high-end micro displays is actually very similar similar process wise to making high-end microprocessors and so I think that in a in a in a vacuum scanning laser displays might win but in a real world where there's hundreds of billions going into a different path that's the path that's going to that's going to win all right let's go beyond the headset brain computer interface BCI how excited are you about that and uh are you going to be one of the first people in line or never well so the thing about branded computer interfaces it's all dependent it it's kind of uh it's kind of hard to Define what is interfacing with the brain you know there are people who would argue that your eyeballs are interfacing of the brain I'm not one of them there's other people that say that looking at your brain through your skull is interfacing with the brain maybe what about laying on top of the brain you need to go into the brain what if you're hooked up to this spinal cord right at the base of the brain what if I'm a little further down this spinal cord what if I'm tapping into median nerve cords in my arm and I'm using neuroplasticity let me Define this to feed data in that way let me Define this high band high bandwidth uh connection of your neocortex where you can think in Google and you can see imagery that bypasses your your optic nerve I not only believe that's going to happen I think you won't even need to go directly into the neocortex I think you're actually going to be able to do it through your peripheral nervous system you have enough spare bandwidth on your peripheral nervous system people do this where like you're familiar with brainport brainport was a company that was building an Imaging uh it was an electro-haptic pad with a resolution of I think 124 by 124 it went on your tongue and it actually gave it yes I remember this and it allowed you through through uh through neuroplasticity yes to learn to see through your tongue there's actually a lot more bandwidth in your median nerve cord which is the one that handles these fingers there's a plenty of spare bandwidth on there they make peripheral cuff electrodes that go on there people who are amputees have learned to control artificial limbs using it they've learned to feel from touch sensors using it and they've even learned to control multiple limbs from a single median Nerf gun peripheral cover electrode and I guess I'll close it with this yeah I believe that the long-term future not for VR because VR is going to be a very much about mimicking all of the senses with High Fidelity but for AR I think AR is not going to be visual AR is going to be entirely based on brain to computer interfaces or peripheral nervous system interfaces I don't want to have my AR experience limited to the limitations of the human visual system where I have a phobiated region where I have to concentrate on to know any real information about something I just want to subconsciously perceive the pose of where my car is where I'm going I want to have these things at the level of proprioception if I make a funny pose I know exactly what the pose of my body is because of all the mechanoreceptors feeding into my brain if I can teach myself to perceive things out in the world through my peripheral nervous system as just part of my proprioceptive system you can now have a much more valuable AR system that is not constrained to the limitations of the vision system and allows you to fully use your vision on other things rather than just data i o so that's why this is all going you have tiered inputs into your into your your perceptome VR VR is always going to be about strapping a bunch of stuff to your face uh getting past the optical nerves pretty tough speaking about strapping stuff to your face you also very uh famously about uh two or three months ago uh came out with a brand new headset design which I'm not gonna let my kids play with um can you describe what you did so it's not just a design it's built it works just I really want to really make sure people are sufficiently afraid so um it's a it's a simple concept it's a virtual reality headset that kills you when you die in the game um this is a science fiction concept that has existed for decades in fact the concept of a simulation that can kill you if you die inside of it has existed longer than virtual reality headsets it's that old the the just in in science fiction it's been around for about a century so if I remember the design it's basically a headset with three three explosive charges appointed at the critical areas of the brain for an immediate nervous system shutdown yeah I don't want you know you don't want someone to be in pain but look here's the idea the idea here was to build something it really I mean it's really a performance art piece more than anything else I don't think of myself as an artist but I guess that's what I've become you know I I wanted to show hey this is it's an interesting idea what you know what is real what is not a lot of people treat simulations differently because there's no consequences in it they know it's not the real world well how do you act when you're in a simulation where the consequences are as serious as the real world how does that change the way you interact with other people in the simulation how does it change your interactions with even virtual agents inside the simulation if you know that you are capable of inflicting harm on them and they on you and you know it's one of those I actually did it to celebrate the uh is if anyone's really with the anime sorted online that's actually a light novel Series yeah I see a few hands gone there you go so it was actually to I released it uh on in November on Sao day which is the day that in sword online a fictional uh Tech mad genius imprisons thousands of VR players inside of his simulation you using a headset that will kill them in the real life if they die in the in the game I thought you know if that's just perfect time to put this out there celebrate Sao day um anyway if anyone wants to try it you can't um I've I've actually already already got it uh locked up in my in my gun safe so yeah hey everybody this is Peter a quick break from the episode you know I'm a firm believer that science and technology and how entrepreneurs can change the world is the only real news out there worth consuming I don't watch the crisis News Network I call CNN or Fox and hear every devastating piece of news on the planet I spend my time training my neural net the way I see the World by looking at the incredible breakthroughs in science and technology how entrepreneurs are solving the world's Grand challenges what the breakthroughs are in 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and it definitely got a lot of people talking how do you get started as a defense company as a small entrepreneur I think of the you know the government as a as a customer is fearful to change suppliers and to take risks I mean I experienced this in the Aerospace industry and in the rocket business in the satellite business it's like it's safe to buy big blue and defense system so how did you overcome that well the number one job of every bureaucrat is to not get fired and so what you have to do is make sure that you convince them that if they don't do what you want they will get fired and typically it's safer to go if you know the big companies not with the new startups and that was one of the reasons I started Android like the problems you're laying out it's hard to work with the government they don't know how to work with small companies they want you to spend your own money to get rid of all of the risk because they don't want to take any risk on new entrance those are the reasons I started Android because I was one of the few people that had the resources to overcome those barriers most companies have no shot they don't have the money they don't have the connections they don't have the expertise they don't have the team and so we went into this from the beginning when we started the company we didn't even know what product we were going to make how Wild is that like I don't know I'm serious this is not like a crazy Retro Retro you know retcon of our founding story you know it's it's well documented even at the time most companies they start with a technology or a product and then the people say how can we who can we apply this to what can we who can we sell this to we started with the problem which is we need better weapons if we are going to ethically engage in Warfare there is no moral High Ground in leaving this problem to existing Prime contractors that are incompetent at many things and totally unable to do to do other things and so we started there we said we're gonna start a new kind of defense company that's going to use its own money to develop products make them work and then after they work sell them to the government as a fully functioning system not asking taxpayers to take on the risk instead hanging on ourselves and then we sat down day one and said okay so now that we start a company what are we going to build and that that was by the way that was how we arrived at artificial intelligence as kind of the core of all of our products people think we're a hardware company because we built drones and submarines and robots and command and control systems we're actually we have two thirds of our company working on software we're primarily in Ai and autonomy company our core product is something called lattice it's an AI Sensor Fusion platform that fuses all these things together existing military systems our military systems commanding control of people and robots getting the right information the right places at the right time and we decided to do that not because AI was hot six years ago it wasn't nearly as hot as the day it was because we decided like I didn't know anything about AI but it was clear after talking to people in the defense space that that's what they needed and so that's why we started building those products by the way I'm sure you know this this process of investing it building it and then selling it was the way all Contracting in the government was done 100 years ago that's right no Cost Plus Contracting was an interesting invention it did allow us to basically take over our entire industrial base during World War II without being communist uh so we're like no no no we're not taking over our industry we're just going to pay them exactly what it cost to build them something a small fixed profit on top and if they don't do that then they are not going to get to work with the government ever again and that worked in a total war scenario where everyone was working as fast as they could we went through multiple generations of fighter planes in uh in five years but when you're in a quasi-peace time kind of cold war type situation Cost Plus Contracting incentivizes people to be slow not Innovative and to never reuse building blocks they've already built because they make more money when they build from scratch more money when it takes longer and more money when it's more expensive reverse Association and you will always get what you incentivize unfortunately our government created a system that created the monster we have today yeah robots um are you looking at humanoid robots we are and if you're a humanoid robot company you should reach out to me we're not building humanoid robot Hardware because there's too many good people doing a good job I only want to do things that other people are not going to do I'm not I don't want to be in the business of just building the same thing as the other guy but I slightly beat him and put him out of business or he slightly beats me and put me out of business I try try to find the the empty space and fill it best I can but we have a we have a software product that needs to interface with humanoid robots um it's a universal API that allows our software to operate uh existing Legacy weapon systems so things like old radar systems old anti-air systems the type of things that are in Ukraine in Poland in Europe that we gave them decades ago if right now it requires a team of people to be operating it which they're a huge Target a Radar Site is a high priority Target for any strike if you could instead say we're going to basically build an interoperability layer that consists of a humanoid robot that can pull the levers and push the buttons and then our software can just tell it you know turn on turn off give me the targets do this do that it's a really useful thing anyway um to get more email me are you thinking about Quantum computing no it's like it it seems like it's far enough away from practicality that uh I can just let other people think about it for a while we are interested in Quantum communication well I should I should have said Quantum Technologies okay Quantum communication is a game changer if anyone can promote if anyone could build a technology that could promote a stable enough bond that you don't get uh that you don't get disentanglement yes it's going to be a total Game Changer foreign who's the CEO of sandbox AQ if you do you know Jack yep great and so we'll be talking about quantum chemistry Quantum you know encryption Quantum it's gonna be a game changer but I can't say much more beyond that yeah um what technology do you wish existed that doesn't yet oh man there's so many I mean Okay let's listen well I for a while I experimented with petroleum-based Foods they would have zero calories because your body doesn't do anything with them basically if you're gonna build Foods my son told me like a gram of uranium has got like five billion calories or some like that if you're looking at it in a certain from a certain point of view that is true um but the long chain hydrocarbons are people where we aren't man is master of making them into anything gels rubbers pastes polymers solids and so if you want to build something that uh you know tastes it has the mouth feel of a real food it's actually easier to do it with oil products that are inner in your body than it is to start with plant-based stuff the problem is that the only way to make it economical is to recycle the output and people don't want to eat sewage food it's just you can't Market it and so I gave up on it for that reason I would love to see it though it'd be a big deal um what else is in your in your sort of advanced Tech world um you know I'm pretty excited about the extinction of species with practicality are you an investor along with us in colossal maybe maybe a secret Ben Lam's a dear friend he's been on the stage many times well look I've I've been I've been chatting with those guys okay and I'll say like there's some pretty interesting possibilities people are always looking at the species that are the cuddliest and the coolest I think that and I think they agree there's going to be species you can de-extinct that have practical applications in restoring ecosystems and doing laws I guess and also Imagine This 600 pound direwolf canine units or Special Forces now anyway that's my that's my dream that's my dream fingers crossed okay you can put a lot more body armor on a direwolf than a German Shepherd who wants who wants to have a 600 pound wolf with 100 pounds of body armor oh my God amazing let's give it up for Palmer lucky thank you guys [Music]

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Published: Thu Apr 13 2023