What Happens When You Die And (Hopefully) Go To Heaven? | The Catholic Talk Show

hey everybody welcome to the Catholic talk show we got a great show for you today we're gonna talk about what happens when we die yeah bad news everyone out there listening the fact is that you are going to die but the good news is we're gonna talk about what happens when you do what heaven looks like how your soul is judged and what certain Saints who have seen heaven describe what happened is like so welcome to the Catholic talk show cemetery edition here today and ashes to ashes dust to dust let's get this thing going alright [Music] [Applause] [Music] man I'm really excited about this episode like sorry excited to talk about death I love it he's all but he's always talking about death but it's talking about death morbid for Christians is it really well to people Podrick I know and Alleluia is our song I'm thinking of my buddy Jay Sibley you know he's got this Grim Reaper on his shoulder with this pit bull attached to a chain you know barking on his arm like that was a tattoo yeah that was his first he'll like it and but yeah like the the fascination with the Grim Reaper no but man everybody's fascinated about this you know I mean they want to know what happens to their loved ones like we talked about dogs on another episode where you know they go to heaven this is a very this is the curious thing I'm excited to talk about if you believe statistics and and in this case I do believe the statistic but statistics say that one and one dies so this is something that we all need to come to grips with and really talk about now before we talk about what's gonna happen when you die father specifically when I die yes you kind of look like the Grim Reaper there okay so before we talk about what happens when you also die right and come on bring it I am listeners here's something that's gonna give you maybe hopefully a little more of extension of life is by going to Catholic talk show calm and making sure you subscribe to us follow us on iTunes and stitcher and YouTube and 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well because when you think about it when you think about death it gives you a perspective on life and your eternal soul and what you're doing day to day before his conversion he was like he's looking at everything the news Joanie's like full cult all those things I was doing no there is there really is a tradition within the Church of coming to terms with your death and and understanding that you are going to die and embracing it and that every day you should remind yourself that you are going to die and that is that tradition in general is summed up in memento mori which we mean which means in Latin remember that you will die mm-hmm you know and this is like the the medieval Latin Church you know this is medieval Latin Christianity as it was expressed when you look at the art of that period of time everything revolves around death how many times are you going around a museum in Rome or in some of those sections that were come out of that period of time of artists art and it's all skulls yeah that's all death there's a church in Rome that has all bones on it like there's a lot of those churches yeah there's a Czech Republic and and the catacombs in Paris but yeah I mean you look at the art and back that and life was much more tenuous and people I think had a better relationship with death back then because it was something that could happen at any moment you know there wasn't antibiotics or medicine you get a toothache and your dad right you know yeah mad what's that movie was it a Monty Python is Holy Grail really bring out your dad pretty much yeah but I think that's what it was like I mean there was there was death everywhere around you and you saw it in the streets literally so it wasn't something that was hiding in the night is something in your face and stare it down and they had the relationship with death where they had things like and smell it the Danse Macabre right and in their art they would show people dressed up like bishops and whatever having dances with that whatever but we all come to terms with the finality of our lives in different ways and you know you know you see it a lot and like the longevity market consumeristic you know people you know anti-aging medicine or you know whatever cryogenic whatever right so so we all have one that's an innate it's innate in us like we all have a relationship sort of with with this finality of our of our lives here on on earth and it's kind of interesting how that plays out how it's lived and and so this perspective the one of faith is really hinged upon this this great triumphant like in in goal which is heaven you know and and a lot of people are wondering like so what's this tweener state here like where do we you know what does that look like you know and so it's kind of cool we're gonna talk about some Saints today that have had visions that pretty-pretty yeah and they're so illuminating them yeah the the fact that God gave this these privileged visions to these Saints is very helpful to the body of Christ because it gives us an understanding that you know what there's something good that's that's beyond that veil that Isaiah talks about it's beyond the veil of death and that's what we're gonna be talking about in this show right so everyone have I think intrinsically fears dying and that's just a natural instinct of the human person but I think the deeper you get within your faith the less fear you have with death you really should and one book we're not going to get really get into it but one book that everyone should read is called the art of dying well by Saint Robert Bellarmine hmm and it did it teaches you to prepare for your death because it guys it's coming you're gonna die and it's gonna happen it could happen tomorrow could happen today it could happen you heard it here it comes like a thief in the night and you don't know when it's gonna happen so before we get into everything this will be prepared for it have your soul ready right you never know the bridegroom is long delayed and he can come at any time so no but get right you do not know the time and all the hour good sir but Christians really should not fear death it's natural to fear it but we're gonna try to help you get over that so what actually does happen when you die what happens your soul is separated from your body and your body experiences physical death okay well we know what happens to a physical body we probably all been to few rolls it sits there it's a body it's an empty shell all right it goes through the physical functions of what happens when an organism dies it Caze breaks down or unless you're a saint you know becomes incorrupt right all right but what about what about your your soul what happens upon death then what does the church teach mm-hmm so the church teaches that upon your death your soul undergoes what is called the particular judgment now the particular judgment is different than the final the final judgment leave the judgment at the end of the world and basically your soul is how accountable for the things that you've done in your life immediately and you receive your pen reward or your penance or your punishment and how do we know that how so how do we know that can't be final though right it's particular so there's a is final okay it's final your that judgment is final all right that it's not the last judgment the last judgement is is different the last judgment is what happens at the end of the world where all people who are living are held accountable and then the resurrection of the bodies happens and the new heavens and the new heavens new earth and all things pass away that's the different that's the Last Judgment right but the particular judgment is what happens when you die now a lot of Protestant or fundamentalists will look at certain lines in Ecclesiastes and say the dead know nothing and that's why they refute the idea that the Saints can pray for us because they're dead and Mary's dead and Mary can't pray for you because she did write we write that's how they act good accent it is Mary's dad she can't go a little praying for your old man she'll be dead and laying the grave right that's what they talk she does not pray for you but how do we know that when a person's dead they actually do we get their particular judgment and they're not waiting for the Last Judgment like some Christian denominations teach well if we look at the Bible there's some very instructive thing so you know the story of the rich man and Lazarus right yeah so two people died one is the rich man asking for cool water Lazarus who is in heaven looking down on them well we know that they are receiving their judgments right in this story but the last judgment has not happened so therefore we know there's Souls there right right make sense good deduction right yes are you are you a yes so but then also in Hebrews 9:27 it says just as is a point appointed that human beings die once and after this the judgment I mean scripture tells us very clearly that there is immediate or when Jesus is on the cross and he's looking to this st. Dismas and he said Amen I say to you this day you will be with me in paradise it wasn't Amen I say to you in the fulfillment of time and at their last judgment you will according to my Protestant followers finally have your judgment but until then you're kind of in mothballs that's that's not what theology is think about you know Dismas there on the cross st. Dismas is awesome he's loved I love that there's a movie too so I think this that was really neat back in like the 40s or 50s or so yeah but um you think about that memento mori that here dismisses he's obviously confronted with you know it's happening right now yeah and in that experience he leans on the person of Christ the Son of God who is so confidently approaching death so there's a difference of confidence here and where is Dismas in his confidence he doesn't really have any but he he speaks out and begging Christ himself who clearly has this confident gaze at death and then that promise right so remember me like remember your death put your saying remember me right so awesome yeah yeah they're the good the good thief and the bad day for the good thief obviously st. Dismas the bad thief justice according to tradition and I just I love the idea that the bad or the in penitent thief when faced with his death out of cross asked to be taken down from the cross but the good thief say Dismas ask to be taken up to heaven and it really was accepting your accepting your death right yeah but those types of things show that no there is the particular judgment and immediately upon death your soul is judged it's not something that was waiting til the end of the time where there's like a long Dormition that's not the case I surely I think it is supported the Catholic the Catholic theological position that your soul goes immediate judgment mm-hmm so that's what happens you die immediately because the judgment now depending on how that goes there's some options right so no number one you can go to a chi double hockey sticks right now we did an episode on what hell is like a few episodes back you can go listen to that then there's also purgatory and we're gonna get into an episode particularly on purgatory at another time so wait for that one miss the joke wait for it it's very soon but then there's that third option which is heaven great gig in the sky right yeah so what is that like what do you guys think of when you think of heaven haven't been to heaven but I heard the streets of paint of gold there you go that's what he thinks about that's an old spiritual right there I did not know that yeah gold roads the golden roads no I think of I think of a place of perfect integrity and perfect unity in spirit and heart and consciousness because if there is no resurrection of the body yet in this experience of what heaven is now before the final judgment and before the new heavens and the new earth and where our bodies are resumed and and glorified you know I think of a place of perfect integrity and unity with God and all that is and even that trends transcends what heaven is into the present day earth like you think of a mother Teresa he's like I want to spend my heaven on earth you know doing good and he's reasonably sane teresa blue shoe but Cerreta mother teresa though said something very very similar in respect to being a light to those who were in darkness so that same type of um you know desire in the heart of torres Oh bless you doctor of the church Mother Teresa is that same reality and somehow you know and the intercessor of the saints and the spiritual realities of our faith that they're present and they are they are at work still in intercessory value mmhmm yeah I think - you know like physically speaking its supply it's it's a place right like you know it's also you know God uses you know physical realities is when that there's a house that I've got room for you right then you have you know Adam and Eve in the garden when they were created by God in this perfect unity with God right so it's not like we're all just I mean I personally feel like it's not just someplace where we're just constantly in adoration of just this great love but we're actually sharing in in a place right and I feel exactly I feel like it's more of a state of being yeah then then like you know anything else because in within oneself when I'm celebrating Mass right and I'm I'm praying you know the sacred words and I'm praying the words of institution I'm participating in a reality that transcends the present location that I'm celebrating that mass it transcends the present community maybe a hundred maybe 500 maybe 5,000 whatever it is it's more than that it's like it's outside of time it's outside of you know physical boundaries the state of being of what we will experience in heaven is something so much more so but is is heaven outside of time is heaven outside of time as we know it on earth obviously yes absolutely but there is their logic would dictate that there does have to be a passage of time in heaven because there's people who will be going to heaven who are not in there now so there is some semblance of sequential T in heaven that does not exist here affair but there is the passage of time in heaven I just look at it as movement and not not time and but when charity because people who are not there now will be there how often have you had the experience of being on the phone with summer being in the presence of someone that you were like madly in love with or with somebody's really life well that's what I mean and and I'm sure that you've had that experience I know you've had that experience with Jan and you know I've had that experience a number of relationships that I've had where you know everything stops and time is passing without any type of recognition and you're not thinking you're like oh my gosh I was in adoration one time working with like 50 kids in this retreat that we have in the Diocese of st. Augustine and we were in adoration literally for three and a half hours Wow and one kid or anybody considered it at all we were in a state of worship we were in a state of Prayer so deep that that amount of time it passed and the kids and these are like 15 16 17 year-olds three-unit their life they're like that was three-and-a-half hours that was the most amazing experience of my life I look at that that gives a little foretaste of what happen is because it's not a calculating of you know I got to be here for the next right 25 minutes or you know whatever it's it's almost absolved like time is absolved in the movement and of experience of the purity of love and integrity and being together so what is it what does heaven actually look like so what in your mind if you had to paint a picture of heaven what would you paint what does it look like light light beauty and color you know I there's a really cool video that CNN did I think on a Keanu the painter of yeah yeah yeah you know she started she started drawing it like the age of for these unbelievable things and then throughout her childhood and she would express that she had these visions and this private revelation about how I don't have to believe this look him a question he's a stick when she was when she was questioned by the interviewer she said in heaven there are so many colors that are not here on earth and that was so convicting what she said that cuz you know she's a young kid when she was being interviewed now she's probably in her 20s or something like that or thirties but um fascinating to consider that light can then emanate only since reflective nature off of the realities of heaven and produce light and beauty's ways that's like super reality yeah I was gonna see the Great Divorce you ever read that book it's at CS Lewis oh yeah of course and you've you've got literally this exchange between heaven and earth right and what happened was like the reality the whole like the grass hurt my feet like you start this super reality that you know the human person coming into is just like you know it's really real you know it's not like real it's like really yond reality most real right yeah that's a good point I think I'm too grata familia I've never been there I'm hoping to go there I'm going on the Camino with focus ministries this summer and leading a pilgrimage and the way to Compostela with those feet with I know I've got plantar fasciitis waiting about my feet all morning better start doing some foot exercises I need to just do this for the rest of the microphone works like this just kind of do my calf raises that's incredibly distracting sorry okay I'm gonna sit back down no but like Sagrada família right this church this magnificent church that's been under construction for what like a hundred and hundred years yeah a hundred years almost oh so but I've seen pictures and I've heard testimonies of people going into that church in Barcelona Spain and the colors that are coming through the stained-glass windows and the experience of people immersed in the beauty of this architectural design that reflects the glory of God and gives a foretaste of heaven I could only imagine like the smell of incense the colors of the stained glass windows lights refracting through them and just sitting there in it and just being like absorbed absorbed and everything in my life of just disturbance or interaction distraction or you know lack of communion or hurt or pain will just kind of melt away in the midst of that prayerful peripheral moment so I look at heaven like that these little foretaste in life give us a picture of what will be an eternity so that's that is actually a common thing that people who have had a vision of heaven say that there's colors there that don't exist on earth that is a very very common thing to have for people who have seen or claimed to have seen happen to say I was um I was at a shrine near by wire and live and it was you know dark gray day and I was doing like a walking rosary and this little nun comes up behind me scared that crap out of me I'm like homing Y right terrified me and she's like sweet yes and then she starts talking me and we got in this conversation she said that one of the older sisters had flatlined died but then came back and was you know revived and talking about it and she's just like the colors there they don't exist on earth and it's it's just absolutely indescribable I mean try to imagine another color that doesn't exist you can't there's also a supernatural reality you learn it from father Spitzer's research on end-of-life phenomenon and they did Studies on this stuff and just to be able to get into the study that the person who died had to have had some sort of grasp on something that happened when they were dead in the room that they were in right and so you know these people would come back and say yeah that one of them one of the cases the doctor put something Aki's or something in a drawer after this person passed away and then she came back and they're like where are the keys and this lady's like well you put him in the drawer so that was one of the phenomenons of and that's not heaven necessarily but it's still it's so it's still in that reality that we're talking about and being absorbed or whatever it is there still is a connection right now to what's going on in in the earthly reality right so here's a couple things that Saints have said that heaven looked like now I think when most people think of heaven they think of golden gates and golden streets and clouds and I think a lot of that imagery comes from the description of the new heaven from outside the New Jerusalem from the Book of Revelations or the golden gates with Saint Peter but st. uh st. John Bosco he had a vision of heaven and he said that it was again as the colors it was he said they were like jeweled colors everywhere and that even even the flowers glisten in weird jewel tones supernatural glory he said it was just it was more than the human mind could take and that it he said that even even like tree stems were brighter than the Sun but we're still able to be completely seen that glory itself real glory is incomprehensible to the human mind and it shows itself as light I like it I think I'd like to go there now st. faustina now she said this is out of her diary diary 777 look at that Wow I love st. Faustina I know you do you talk about her gosh I've got a so she says I was in heaven and I saw it's inconceivable beauties and the happiness that awaits us after death I saw I saw how all creatures give ceaseless praise and glory to God and how great is happiness in God which spreads to all creatures making them happy and that all glory and praise Springs from happiness returns to its source so it's a a cyclical source of happiness this is why st. I'm sorry is the quote the source of happiness is unchanging in its essence but is always new gushing forth happiness for all creatures now the thing that I love about st. Faustina she wasn't thoroughly educated and like received a doctorate or she wasn't like a st. Teresa Benedicta of the cross she's a saint of the people she's a saint and a mystic so like a lot of her theological positing is happening through her prayerful intimacy with Christ and these revelations that she received but I believe like her education stopped formally at the age of like 13 or 14 years old was common but just common back then it's good now but what's awesome is she's an argumentation right now to be a doctor of the church Wow which is so fitting and there's Thomas which I know that you would love this because you're totally at Ole Miss but you know these these theologians it's got to be the beard I don't have I don't have a Thomas beard I know you have a soap-opera beard we've already established that but you know people who are such scholars in st. Thomas and his deposit of faith in his ministry and his writings say that st. Faustina is one of the greatest greatest Thomas in history and it's fascinating because the xe2 sat ready to is right there and exactly what she's saying so provocatively in the quote that you just had from 777 when you're gonna say Latin stuff can you you say it in English too infant people like me almost as trinitarian procession of like the father creates all that is and it comes back and then it returns so they're ready to so the XE tus is like almost like an exit right when the creative and creative act of God and then the ready to siz the redemptive act of Jesus Christ returning it so the fudge drawing all that is actively redeeming it and bringing it back to the Father giving it back in this movement so it's the cyclical movement the XE to serve ready to it's the same secretion that she's sharing that's reflected in life and death now Thomas now st. Thomas Aquinas he had a vision of heaven also and we all know say Thomas Aquinas is great work right yeah Summa absolutely and this st. malo this is just considered absolutely just by far the the standard for theology but did you know it's incomplete mmm do you know why it's incomplete because he had this vision of heaven he's like it's straw and everything I've written means nothing could be what I've seen so he spent the whole life being the the probably the greatest mind of Western tradition yeah and just one vision of heaven everything that he'd ever done was meaningless to him that's how powerful heaven is and how starkly contrasted it is to our human life and understanding I hope my son's not listening to this he's a little bit lazy at school he'd be like dad I podcast and like I don't need to do my homework know why it's like or even if Thomas Aquinas said it's straw straw so what does heaven look like if you can't tell me that go do your homework oh that's great proverbs 3:5 to 6 you know trust in the Lord with all thy heart and lean not unto thy own understanding in all thy ways acknowledge him and he shall direct thy paths and that's the reality of God's omniscience God is the only one that is omniscient and you know we shouldn't be leaning so much on our own understanding but gleaning and trusting in the Lord and drawing everything that we possibly can it doesn't mean like alright I just need to give up just trust and and you know that's it I need outside of myself I need to draw everything that I can at my grasp so that I can develop a greater understanding and a greater knowledge that then comes from the Lord you hear that Joe question a lot of people think once they die and hopefully get to heaven that they'll know everything they'll once they get to heaven they will know they answered all things and what do you think well inaudible of course not impossible well it's it is a constant reception right right sorry but you're not when you die you're not becoming divinity you're becoming immortal you're still a human in heaven and you will not have divine knowledge of all things you won't be a superhero you show you where you'll be in heaven you're saint but no you're not gonna know everything you're not gonna get the answer to all these questions now when we were kids me and my brother would do this a lot we're like whenever we would have like a debate or like now you're riding up I'm right like okay I bet you write $30 I'm gonna get in heaven and we know all things you owe me in heaven because then we'll know and then we'll have a final tally of it so I think our plan was flawed and he's gonna owe me money or either actually neither of us knew each other Oh H other auntie having money well if they're making gold streets there then they must have a some sort of you know bank or something it's there's a consciousness that is something beyond our capacity to comprehend here but the the collective consciousness of what our humanity will reflect in heaven in our union not only with God but with all people and the clairvoyance of communication that happens between species and and and you know persons is something that is yet to be experienced but again there's there's different there's different people out there and different experiences they've had little tastes of that you think of the prophetic voice that these great mystics Saints have had these padre pio that he could read people's soul and and sins and speak to them right you know they didn't even have to confess it and where he knew and there's different things that I've had it in my experience of pastoral care for people where it's just I know yes something it's the whole evil ontology that the holy spirit communicates about somebody in particular yeah so and and it's always to the end of me serving to a charitable and of communion and that consciousness is amplified to a whole nother level because God is actively reinforcing that unity in in the constant state of what heaven is in eternity thinking about the our Father you know you know as it is in heaven right so that your you're actually praying to be living now on earth as it is in heaven the divine yeah now a lot of people will say that what does heaven actually look like now you know and like we said in Revelations the streets are paved with gold and as transparent as glass but a lot of theologians important ones like Augustine and Jerome they'd say that if you want to look to what heaven is going to be like when you get there that to look to the the future of the redeemed human race you have to look to the past of the human race and Adam and that God's original intention for that perfect unity and that perfect paradise is the Garden of Eden and that is a place of lush life of fecundity of great word for competition do what does that mean come on the 400 cheese it means like in giving life like a connotation of pregnancy it multiplies yeah right yeah and that the garden the Garden of Eden was God's well what God planned for the protection of human life and for the new body so that the Garden of Eden will be what you can expect to see is a now that brings up an important point which I want to make are you gonna be are we gonna be naked in heaven oh absolutely naked and unashamed ashamed naked and unashamed Jesus already gave us a foretaste of that in his crucifixion he was naked and on but you know there were animals in the garden no saying okay we don't need to go in there we still have by animals that happen do we eat in heaven and if we do and we eat in heaven is there meat and then what do they go to it like just keep on bouncing back in heaven if there is animals that's why I think so they slaughter a cow in heaven or a dog which dogs aren't gonna be there there's fruits right so what we're all vegetarians yeah in heaven I believe that you think so a vegetarian lion of Isaiah so there's no steak in heaven vegetarian lion of Isaiah we don't need to look too far a veget inerrant vegetarianism father yeah we're we're all vegans I do believe there's a bliss there's Bibb lettuce that that hold that position very very emphatically and they draw on scriptural references to eschatology and eschatological positions that give us a sense of vegetarian I can't do it I can't do it but that we would be vegetarians in heaven well that's where I ascribe my theological opinion but lean not on your own understanding I'm still open for argumentation but in the Garden of Eden before the fall when things were in perfection give man dominion over the animals and wouldn't that dominion include food food no no not just dominion it's not pretty fault like I can I can have to think about I mean you can have dominion without eating but Tiger is one of the most untameable creatures yeah in the in the world but think about having an awesome not if you catch you by the toe LT with that wasn't yes so but you think about what's the what's the act where they they're with Tigers its Sigma Sigma in first minute for ya and how many people just want to go see them with the Tigers because I don't think they do the Tigers I don't think that's the point it's like draw is like this man was able to do this he was able to tame the untamable tiger you know but think about having dominion and lordship which the word means that you have a sentient sense of lordship over all of this creation not that I want to eat it but that I want to have a deep and profound dominion over it and I know it I name it and I speak its own existence dissipating with God you know that that Adam had this role of of speaking its identity and and now I know this this creature and I can interact with it perfectly according to its species what about cheese that no is there cheese and milk is it that's it that's a very very good question but I would look at that as a fruit that comes from a tree so in the same manner so in heaven we're all naked vegetarians with amazing colors everywhere with a big tall glass of milk right with a glass now good know so one last thing I wanted to bring up is that the Council of Trent gave for definitive teachings on what the human resurrection body in glory will be like so when you die and you go to heaven the church was able to define four things that is going to happen to your body now number one is called subtlety right and that means that you have the absolute subordination of the body to the soul so that the so the body and the soul are definitely united because that is what a human is but the soul is so was that you yeah it's kids my pop coming up the soul is so subordinate to the body that it could pass through walls like Jesus did in the upper room on Pentecost right because the body is guided by the soul in a way that is not now so okay that's number one number two agility right Jesus able was able to ascend to heaven like just up gone right and bam boom that's how he did it boom that's what I do so Aquinas said that human beings will be able to travel in their resurrected resurrected body at will in a wink of an eye if they want to be there they're there right so that's called agility now the third trait of the resurrected body is called impassibility and that means that you can't get sick and you can't have any proof you won't have any perfections in your body so your feet Padre I'm good no lattice no more blood moons yeah my wonky ankle no problem that's all the preternatural gifts to these gifts that were ascribed to the human person in the garden as well and and they are restored and then glorified right and with with impassibility you couldn't even stub your toe if you tried mm-hm so I'm kind of going back to the guard any of God created this order space and time for the human person like that's not those those aren't the qualities of heaven even though there was perfect union with with God and man before the the Senate the the fall does that make the garden really like literally the heaven that we're going to because it'll have characteristics characteristics but we're going to the New Jerusalem yeah okay yeah I just want to make sure because that so so the state or the least way that I would put it is that the state and the unitive relationship between God and the proper relationship between their their their bodies which is you know no no shame of nakedness no knowledge or desire for sin but that is the primal state of the human but in heaven it'll be the glorify glorified in the New Jerusalem in the fulfillment of time and passage where there is houses there is cities and there are those advancements that are I guess innate to the way that human beings congregate mmm now last one the fourth one the fourth trait of the howl of the human body in heaven is glory now we see that in the Transfiguration I'm gonna be ripped no that would be impassibility oh okay cause your body's not gonna have any perfection in perfection agility yeah about no agility agility is the ability to move anywhere you want at the wink of the eye impassibility means your get out peak form alright so you're thinking ripped like her adonis yeah he's gonna be like the temple veil just all ripped and shredded now they have the last one is glory that's like transfiguration now our Lord gave a prefigurement of that in the Transfiguration and showed what that is but also on the walk to Emmaus where they didn't even recognize Jesus and until they did the breaking of the bread that your body is transfigured in a glorified way and again that it gets back to that light and a lot of that times you know I would posit that when people see light or they see transfigured Lord it's light their mind the human mind physically cannot understand that glory and can only see it as light that in a transfigured you'll have the deeper understanding of what that light looks like or means but to us now it's just light because it's accompanied by a heightened intellect mm-hmm you know the the praetor natural gifts are three it's infused knowledge absence of concupiscence and bodily immortality and you know this heightened intellect this this kind of infused knowledge is something that's exactly how you're describing it's chill it's by its own experience by the human person's own experience of light it is known mmm-hmm and that I really really look for words used yeah because I mean I remember meeting mother Elvira who is the founders of community Janaka locum when he touched an Akula which is a community for rehabilitating drug addicts those who are suffering from severe addictions and she has houses all over the world and I met her in Metro gory a number of years ago a couple of times and I remember when I encountered her for the first time and seeing her eyes and looking at her face and she was just filled with light her whole like her behind her head she just had like that that halo that glow and it was one of the most marvelous things I've ever experienced because as she was looking at me and speaking to me It was as if I was speaking to a living Saint and again these are little foretaste of what the experience is and she really didn't even have to say any words yeah it was just her existence alone that communicated such a powerful message and I think we've all had experiences like that with different people in our life when we meet somebody super holy and I think that's where the idea of halo even comes from is this encounter with this light that is shining in the world through different mediums and channels but then ultimately reveals what heaven is exactly about but it's the constancy of that and everywhere you turn the knowledge and experience of light you know continues to mold you alright so before we use up everyone's entire lifespan with talking about what happens and you die and all these people die because this episode goes why don't we wrap it up but first two things number one make sure go to Catholic talk show calm you can follow us and subscribe to us there and go to Kathy patreon.com forward slash Catholic talk show and just a word of thanks to all of our listeners and viewers we really appreciated you we really appreciate you supporting us because we'd love to be able to provide this service and and for each of us we've constantly commented on people who privately message us or talk on our on our feeds in our comment sections and various social media platforms it's beautiful what's happening and I really appreciate the ability that digital communications provides to the church right now because it's a catalyst for greater evangelization and a sense of solidarity and growing together in the faith now before we all get out of here mm-hmm the Inquisition oh no I thought I was gonna get no no no no we're not in heaven yet Padre you're still out here on earth there's questions to be answered this may be to my demise and the real end job makeup we're gonna make it kind of easy on you okay okay will we eat food in heaven well we eat food in heaven yes it's a banquet absolutely and and that's what I really need to eat food in heaven I think I think it is an experience of Communion and fellowship so a lot of times we eat concupiscent ly in in the in the world yes I need to feast on on something it's like it's my dominance over all so you die if you don't eat and you die there's a there's a need to the human body but I think somebody's personal body does not need to eat food when you you count like Babette's feast you count how many times you've had a feast that it was just so memorable and it was just such a great experience of fellowship and communion and conversation and tastes and the wine the way it tastes the cheese the way it tasted the the meat and all that stuff like it was just a powerful experience but I I look at not only will you experience the communal essence that we will have in heaven just on a human level we start to interact with the fruits that come from the trees and our relationship with these fruit bearing plants take is taken to a whole nother level of our experience experiencing being satiated by these plants in particular or these animals that produce something like a milk or a cheese so almond milk you are making me hungry there but no I I do genuinely believe that it is a banquet and our interaction with all of the created you know fruit-bearing realities and in heaven its fullness will satiate us and but it's it's a greater union and integrity with all those things that there's appreciation and gratitude and connection that's what I look forward to that's what I dream of okay that's good yeah all right so while I have a dog on my lap and I'm right I didn't die while you were naked and all kinds of colors drinking a large glass of milk with a nodded my German Shepherd now with not a dog no Doug Oh milk yes are you drinking a huge glass that's overflowing with your weird naked haven't done all right no my dog is probably gonna have like one of those cool sweaters on or something dad that's people I'll be naked the dog will have like a cool but there's no dog sweaters in heaven you're you're probably I'm not gonna lean on my own understanding and may say that I'm wrong about that all right well not the whole dogs and have something so stamped that was fun damn well it was a great episode guys and we thank you so much for journeying with us here at the Catholic talk show to the other side of the visit the other side of the veil because God willing we will each get to heaven together and that's my prayer for you our prayers for you and continue to pray for us and may God continue to enrich you and don't be afraid of meditating on your own death you know it's an important reality and just a word of you know from blessed Charles feel called meditate on your own death don't be afraid to go to the cemetery don't be afraid to walk around and reflect on it it could bring you great peace and perspective so that your life is directed to greater virtue to heaven itself alright thanks for listening peace catch your next episode see you in heaven [Music]

Channel: The Catholic Talk Show

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Keywords: Catholic, Catholic Podcast, Catholic Talk Show, Ryan Scheel, Ryan DellaCrosse, Father Rich Pagano, Catholic Radio, Catholic TV, Catholic Show, Heaven, What Happens When You Die, Last Judgment, Particular Judgment, Catholic Heaven, Visions of Heaven, Afterlife, Near Death Experience, Body In Heaven

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Length: 48min 15sec (2895 seconds)

Published: Sun Mar 31 2019