7 Deadly Sins That Can Send You To Hell | The Catholic Talk Show

welcome back to another episode of the Catholic talk show today we're gonna be talking about seven sins that could send you to hell yeah we're talking about the seven deadly sins these are the sins that if you find yourself in hell you're likely guilty of having committed we're also going to talk about what the medieval Catholic theologians would say would be the punishments for these sins and the seven virtues that of the spiritual remedy for these sins so you better beer off that highway to hell and avoid the e seven coming up the next exit on the Catholic talk show [Music] [Applause] [Music] all right let's jump right in this is a definitely an interesting topic we did a lot of research on it oh for sure I watched the movie se7en I don't know if you know that movie she'll know but I'm I think I'm pretty familiar with all these seven sins just in real-world application oh but it was striking in that movie with Brad and Morgan Freeman 1895 you never saw it I've been parts of it I mean I know the part obviously that was such a thriller man I remember yeah it was a great movie yeah you should give it a shot I think you will be impressed I'll put it on my uh I put it on my must watch list at Blockbuster but it's something that I mean I was I was young I was spell was definitely my early teens and went to sleep with some of those images I mean it was it was kind of it wasn't a horror flick but it was a thriller left some lasting images of these seven deadly sins we're gonna talk about today yeah the seven deadly sins are they're very they're very ancient concept and it's a way of constructing the vices and the perversions of the human will and it's a way of categorizing them so that and the hope is that Christians know how to avoid them because goes back to like the sixth century right with Gregory to even further a fourth on back yeah and these sins really are that it these are the sins that if you are guilty of committing them these are the sins that will send you to hell if you are unrepentant of them and these are kinds of things that lead people into a life that separates them from God and the beatiful occasion mm-hmm now but I mean some of these things like you know for example gluttony or whatever there's certain degrees of it right so you can't like you know you go into hell has to be like a willful right like it's a it's a hopeful conscious action that you're choosing this sin yes knowledgeable of the fact that it is so that's what I mean you know and I think it's an important point that she'll made is the sense of the beatific vision that was so emphasized in the works of st. Thomas Aquinas it's really important to realize that Thomas Aquinas explains sin darkens the intellect and when we think of how it darkens our world and our foresight to be able to see the path we're on to salvation if we're cut off from light we don't see the path and if we want to have that vision it's something that we need to strive for in virtue and the respective virtues to combat these seven deadly sins yes you know speaking of vision you need to go on your URL and type in the cap of talkshow you'll excuse me you're you are go to talk show com take you they're gonna take and he's a nice guy let me tell you I've known her for a long time and it was like my Butler kind of yeah very gentlemanly you know go to Catholic talk show calm and Earl could also lead you to become one of our greatest patrons to support our show so that we continue to grow into new markets and reach new people with this material because we talked about some important things and today talking about the seven deadly sins we want to make sure that we're reaching you wherever you may be in your car in the office space on your headphones or even in the comfort of your home so thank you for journeying with us make sure you're connecting with us on social media and all of our platforms that you could see on Catholic talk show com all right so you know you sense something I think that was a really good way to lead into this about how Aquinas said that sin darkens the intellect and what I think one of the things to understand about the seven deadly sins is that they are abuses or excesses of every person's natural faculties and passions right these are seven things that are really our perversions or misappropriation procreation other human beings natural desires so gluttony and lust and these types of things they are the natural behaviors of human being taken to the wrong levels now the seven deadly sins now you brought up saying Gregory now we're gonna get to him and you are right that st. Gregory is the one who finally gotta find it codify the seven but before that they do go back to the Desert Fathers and to the ascetic fathers in the Egyptian desert mmm-hmm and there is a monk his name was a various Pontic s and he was the one who first identified these eight evil thoughts that you had to overcome now eight not seven so originally there was eight deadly sins or these thoughts that if you were living in solitude and asceticism that if you weren't able to conquer these behavioral tendencies and these sinful thoughts it wasn't gonna go very well for you out that does you're probably needed even by like a desert lion or something or go to hell which is what happens right so then his his one of his disciples John Cassian he was the one who first really wrote these down now he wrote it down saying that his mentor had to had really put these together but he was the first one to say look these are the eight things that was in one of his books called the the Institute's and this isn't like the I want to say fourth century in Egypt now so much wisdom came out of the desert yeah that's what fathers are one of the most it's all utilize resources it's true I've done some desert spirituality during Lent most times for the parishes that I've worked in and created like a retreat based on the desert spirituality and I have a few resources that I really really really like to use one of them's actually entitled desert spirituality and it goes through all of these different anecdotal insightful realities of these men and women these fathers and mothers of the desert that lived in austerity and complete penance detached from metropolitan cities and what they encountered was a true and severe attack on the human person in relationship to the demonic activity in the desert and there was an insight even like in metropolitan cities we trip each other up in sin yeah so so demonic activities happening more so in relationship to people who are striving in that sense of removing oneself from the world and and that's where the attack happens so they have a wealth of insight if you've never looked at any of their materials definitely take a look at them and I'm really interested to find out these eight thoughts especially as I think of Saint Ignatius of oil and his directions in relationship to how that spiritual attack hits us it's by way of thought initially yeah so I look at it like you know a lot of people gets in like it's this negative words negative where it's like you know the Church teaches this stuff not to kind of control you but so that you can actually approach God with more freedom for sure right and more joy and and experience him in an intimate way right that's the interesting thing too exactly what you said God and the church Holy Mother Church wants us to express that pure freedom and that pure joy yeah right but sin you know especially these seven deadly sins you could look at them and think well I'm taking care of myself pride I'm placing myself that I'm important I want to make sure that I'm happy or you know lust gluttony envy all these different things it's self-operating but it never provides that sense of freedom because our freedom is always in the object of love to the other and not to oneself and these seven deadly sins really encapsulate how that converse reality we have to combat and overcome that and focus on that's what I'm looking forward to you know learning about the issues that combat it you sure so yeah and I think that it really makes a lot of sense that this this list comes out of the desert because like you said they were removed from that communal living and these are the things that are really a that you have to personally overcome and they are again those excesses of the human desires and when you're alone by yourself that's the only thing your self and demons those are the only things that are can trip you up and these are the ways that demons would attack knowledge is thing it is own like there are converse like there's another side of the sin right so gluttony would be like anorexia right or not eating or like a poor self-image of yourself so there are like in these sins there are sort of like you know for pride it would be like your self deprecating right or you know so I I think there's something within that sin pride version of that sin that still maybe has that sin at its root at its root I see what you say is a virtue right you're not you're not presenting that it could go to the opposite yeah yeah it's still rooted in the same deadly nature and mortal sin because it's your self-image so like pride is your self-image like how do I look in front of other people and then the other side of its like I don't care I don't even want to you know and you have this really bad poor self-image of yourself which a lot of people have you know I've seen that a brother in the seminary that he constantly was like self-deprecating always putting himself down and he was a humorous guy people would laugh but I pulled him aside one day I'm like bro like you got to stop doing that because when we had a deep conversation which is very unhappy yeah and it said you know that just feeds your unhappiness you know you're a great brother you have so many skills and talents a great personality you don't have to please people by your self deprecation you don't always have to be spongebob ripping you dance watching cartoons with their son with my son so that first list when it was 8 sins before it got you know turned into 7 they were gluttony fornication avarice pride sadness wrath boasting and a CD mm-hmm so those were the 8 media it's just like lazy like slow so those are the ones that were and it's interesting that they put avarice and pride mm-hmm because they're very very interchangeable right and Agustin went into depth on the sense of avarice as being the fall of humanity like it was Adam his avarice right that was the that was the movements the difference between average that's that's lean into Sheol right now he's gonna give us that explanation I suppose well that was just a historical context I think we're gonna go through the ones that are but I do think a distinction between avarice and pride would be helpful because yeah it's something that's always baffled me is just you know like there's there's just this fine line of what is pride and what is a Burris what do we got he what do we got here Ryan so fellas means the interwebs I don't know they seem pretty similar to me yeah but I think that is actually why st. Pope Gregory the Great kind of cleared solid and consolidated them so when he reduced the list to seven we had that original eight right and he combined vainglory into pride hmm acedia was combined with sadness and then he added Envy so you got rid of you combined two of them and then you had that extra Envy now you have the the the classically recognized seven which are and this isn't the order and when he pops a group I hope st. Gregory the Great say if I've great well say Gregory the Great Oh st. Gregory the great hope st. Gregory the Great Pope st. Gregory the Great is that four or five great I'm gonna take a cut that part out and put a beat behind it so in order going from the worst to the least damaging they are as defined by Pope st. Gregory the Great Pope Saint Gregory the great Pope Saint Gregory the Great good said Gregory the Great Pope st. Gregory the Great great yes I'm so proud of you guys they're losing it yeah well little French press that's what that's what happens yeah little Guadalupe roastery great good so the seven deadly sins let's get to those pride Envy anger sloth which is also acedia greed which is avarice gluttony and lust it's interesting that it's in that order I didn't realize that I thought they were they were listed for a particular reason but that it's almost the worst worst to the least that's it man so they would so it would be that pride is the worst yes seven deadly sins well because it has it has the unique nature of being able to spread over all the other ones and I think the deception of pride like when you think of pride gsella cross what do you what do you think of initially how would you define it yeah it's it's when you you know it's it's when your your frame of reference right as a person is is inherently like not inherently but selfish right the lens is what what do I want for myself and and how do I look around other people I mean that's essentially and I think I think that's true and we start there and I think the worst offense of pride is not only am i operating just for myself now I have cut myself off from God because I'm no longer recognizing the quality of the gifts that he's given me right and I don't reference the gifts that I have to him they're mine they're my gifts and this is my body I'm gonna do with it whatever I want to this is my wealth I'm gonna do with it whatever I want to and it's it's going to revolve purely around me but it's no longer recognizing God is the author and giver of all good right it also you know I gotta say the unique nature we're you know because you're sinning like entitlement comes in so you're like well I'm this and so I deserve to lust or I deserve to be a glutton or I deserve and and so it kind of like well it gives you license to do a lot of other things because it is kind of directed your mind is directed completely to yourself right Thomas Aquinas said that pride is the the queen of all vices and that all the other sins it takes preeminence over the other sins because he said that it is it's the frame of mind of a man that he has excessive love of his own existence and his own excellence excessive its excessive and that by that you would draw yourself from the subjugation of being a creation of God and that's the first that's the sin of Satan is pride is that he would not you know non serve you me I'm not gonna serve I'm going to go after my own interest and the first and fundamental way to find yourself in hell and to cut yourself off of the life of God is by refusing to submit to him and by refusing to have your will be in complete unison with his own and that is where pride immediately cuts down the spiritual life of a Christian right and the most important thing you can do as a human being in relationship to God is confess your sins go to confession and and receive God's mercy right and so pride even in your own sin like pride tells you that God won't be able to heal this that God won't love me through this right I mean you see a lot of people that are they don't feel like they can be forgiven and and it might not seem like pride but it really is you know it's like I don't I'm thinking about myself and in relation to God and not God in relation to me mm-hmm you know yeah and again you're putting yourself before God you're putting your own power before God's omnipotent power of mercy and you're doubting the fact that he has the power that is greater than yours that can absolve sins and you think of what what is the action of going to confession essentially what it mentally is humility yeah so you know to counteract the sin of pride humility becomes the focus of the man or woman who is seeking true holiness and true reconciliation because now you're placing Jesus above your own sinfulness above your own capacity and potentia I mean you'll see this in the prayers of Jesus himself that I will be done not my will but your will be done that is that's humidities that is the king of humility right there that he is in all in all truth and in all aspects God but still is in the relationship of the Trinity able to have the humility to pray and allow the Father's will to be done through his actions that's beautiful bro yeah and talking about all this humility I'm just realizing how humble I am [Laughter] look I'm saying this in all humility all right I'm home lower than you well so the next sin is envy hmm now envy is defined at the sadness of the of another person doing well because it'll you feel that it lessens your own life that's a weird thing that anybody that's a weird thing that a lot of humans do yeah envy and and the reason that I think it's the second worst is that it's it's a longing and a it's a a sin against someone else that you are sad because they're doing well instead of love is truly wishing and willing the good of the other as other and when you're envious of another person's blessings that really strikes at the heart of love and that's why Envy is such a mortal sin that will it's gonna that's gonna drop your rate into the 8g double hockey sticks because what it does essentially is it cuts you off from the welfare that you actually have you're focusing on somebody else and you're not even inventory in the fact that God is providing for you a benevolent God who provides each and every breath so that even at the beginning of that but it's like where am i with that do I just take it for granted and you know is someone else breathing better than I am yet because I'm asthmatic you know but but at the same time you know am I going to am I going to look at somebody else's welfare yeah and lose touch with my own that's that's terrible and the church has ways to identify Envy you know to different you know in respect to to CC and envy there's jealousy there's envy and it's essentially locking into either a material or a spiritual good of someone and when we lock into a material good obviously that has a certain gravitas to it yeah but the worst that we can do is envy each other's spiritual good yeah I'm super envious of how humble he is 52 in all humility it's okay you're looking you're looking green within me you know what I was thinking about when you're saying that it's it's the it's the presence of mind that it's it's the it's the union with God hypostatic union with God that were not suited for and this presence we are not created for the hypostatic union where's my heresy button hypostatic union is okay whatever man-- assignment somebody who holds Pope Benedict in such high regard and his desire for precision and theology it's very it's still kicking in the studio I'm not letting you get a razor razor pen loading what I was saying I'm just going to point like the German it's the presence of mind you lose the presence of mind of being present and before God right because now your mind is present somewhere else and like you said that's the presence of your mind is the presence of your soul you know I mean it's pretty close right you're what's going in through your your mind eventually enters the heart right you know I think when you look at the parable of the prodigal son the son who never left I think his sin is envy without a doubt he is yes so sad that his brother who was living a resolute life and I've never done everything well there's pride exactly I was pride I've always done everything right then the next sin that follows in order is Envy why are you slaughtering for this jackwagon a fattened calf and giving him rings he doesn't deserve that why be blinging him out right get him out look my brother he's been gone with you no hookers and drugs and now you're making them all I see this is not making him all I see got him a new gold grill I mean come on but that's it that's an interesting take on it because you can actually go through the seven deadly sins operative in the prodigal son as well as this yeah the older the older brother even in the person of the older brother these seven the day they accompany one another so a lot of times they overlap in respect to the sinfulness that we I'm gonna read that read that passage again with that in mind the prodigal son is such an interesting parable parable about parable it has so many like that's a cute way to say it yeah the parable is knee princess you get knock you if you think about it where you are in life you can really say Who am I in this sometimes you're the prodigal son sometimes you're the son who didn't leave and sometimes you're the father and I think as you progress in your spiritual life and the closer you get towards godliness you kind of make your progression from first year the son out in the wilderness who's coming home and getting I see then you're the one who never left and like I've been a good Christian but then you're still envious and then you're the father hopefully who is then passing the wisdom that you've learned in your life down and sharing the gospel and the graces that you've received through your relationship with Christ and and now you're just giving them freely and that really shows number one the relationship of the father with humanity but also shows the development of the human person as they grow closer towards Christ yeah it also shows you what we what we desire and it can be an indication of what we're actually trying to go for and and in this particular case it's inequity you know like I'm not getting what I'm deserving and this is the inequities they're like we we perceive inequity because we we desire equity right that's that's why we that's why we see inequity is because we desire in our heart equity right and there's nothing more equitable than God you know loving you and you loving God back and being happy where you're at and what you're doing and in the moment you know and the corrective action of his mercy then God's mercy corrects our nature you know any builds he builds us by grace because grace builds on nature and we're emerging more deeply in that parable into the mercy of the Father and hopefully you know I look at the prodigal son is still manipulative when he comes back he has this bright idea while he's longing for the pods of the pigs that oh I got an idea I'm gonna prepare this text I'm going to manipulate my father's affection for me but the father doesn't care and that's the beauty of it because the father interrupts the texts he doesn't let him he doesn't let him finish and he immediately wraps his arms around him kisses him embraces him before even says one word and I think the transformative nature of what happened to the prodigal son was after he encountered the merciful Father because now he's living more fully in his mercy yeah and that's the same thing for us you think of st. Paul who went through one of potentially the most epic transformations in the history of the church and in his letter to Timothy he says I am grateful to him who has strengthened me Christ Jesus our Lord because he considered me trustworthy in appointing me to the ministry but I was once a blasphemer and a persecutor and arrogant but I have been mercifully treated because I acted out of ignorance and my unbelief yeah I mean the same Paul's conversion I think really does speak to number one humbleness but also his envy of Christians and great point you know he had this this classical training I he would train under the best rabbis like at the temple he's a Roman citizen and then these other people have this joy this perfect joy that he with all of his training doesn't have and I could only imagine the envy leads to that net violence that next sin and that next sin on the seven list is anger or wrath and anger and wrath are pretty it's a pretty ugly thing and I think that as you go down the list the sins get less less gravity but more ugliness to me they become more and more base they could become more and more spiritual realities and the depths of human consciousness and more surface level more explicit would you say yeah yeah it's it's definitely more visible yes I think of like you know like a guy in a game or something like a football game and he's angry and he said and it's like you're at this point right now where you could just step down and just calm down or you or you just go crazy like oh there he goes you know for sure not it football players are the only ones that do that so the puppet is either the Catholic Encyclopedia defines anger as the desire of vengeance yep but we all know that vengeance is the Lord's right it is not for us to take vengeance now but that's not to say that the desire for justice is the same as anger right or a wrath you people who are guilty of wrath of the deadly scent of wrath and anger are looking to become the judge jury and executioner of graces and the gates of heaven and it doesn't work that way but desiring blessed are those who desire don't be smokin people hmm no smoke well there's there's times where smoking can be ethical yes are you saying so it's like when I correct you all the time that's true because I'm humble and I'm teaching in my ways yeah you did you smoked me well put that you're piping so anger or the desire for this is the zeal for equity it becomes sinful when it is it you seek to wreak vengeance on someone who does not deserve it mmm or to a greater extent than has been then then they deserve where does this fall with people not forgiving other people because I because that that's a big problem actually in people you see when they're angry at somebody it's it's just present you know and they don't really know it's kind of like you're blinded by it a little bit but a lot of people just they just don't forgive people in their lives I wonder where that falls into and I think it's people are crippled by wrath by anger because they essentially cut off the person that has caused them this anger or potentially unjustly attributing it but in that sense it's you know I have no patience with you anymore I have no investment of patience and hope that your humanity can change so you are now my enemy yeah and now my anger is fixed on you forgive me Father for I felt angry at you this morning because it took you forever what you were saying earlier about living in mercy like living in mercy like mercy that you show to somebody and their reception of that or understanding of it they're living in it right and there's no there's no barrier there between you no harmony and relationship with your neighbor right well before striving toward justice and equity we is a virtuous thing and it's something that we should be committed to as Catholics but just as human beings that generally speaking we should be moving in the direction toward equity and living well among our brothers and sisters but I do think it's a cut off from in respect to I want this justice now yeah right now and I am not willing to be patient and wait for wait and a waste of justice because in the in the wisdom literature of the Bible it says very very clearly that God is the executor of justice not us mmm God is and God will because he is a just God execute exact justice but that requires us altima to be patient with God's plan for our life and the in justices that we are experiencing today or may face in the future mm-hmm now Nexen is acedia or sloth and that it houses in potato I was just thinking if I take it nap that's not sloth only if I'm taking it or taking three hour naps multiple times in the day come on oh man maybe an hour you are a Napper of much renown and skill I'm I'm a professional very good and should write a book I think that you're napping no longer really is the sin of sloth or a CD I think it's really no prize that's not sloth or so it's the diss inclinations or labor or exertion now obviously you know we are meant to work the land and produce by the the works of our own hands the goods that we sustain ourselves with through the grace of God okay some people are better workers and others but I think where it really gets into a dangerous and very Hell worthy sin is when you don't have the the acedia would be defined by some of the Church Fathers as sadness in the face of a spiritual good that you have to work to achieve new right but you have to work you have to perfect yourself and your spirituality you have to sure that you make time to pray you have to make sure that you are getting to mass you have to make sure that you are doing works of mercy and you know that if you do these things you can achieve a greater perfection of the Christian life but because they're hard you don't do them that is acedia that is where sloth becomes a mess it's a spiritual sloth it sounds like done well it can be physical and spiritual yeah well there's the spiritual definitely leads to a more degradation of the soul and in a darker stain on a person yeah when that acedia becomes a spiritual reality how easy is it for you not to work towards somebody's spiritual good or material good if you are angry with them yeah it's an easy to dismiss yeah that person so that's that's the beginning of it that's the beginning of the reality of sloth mmm but even worse when it gets to that spiritual point so that could be that sense of material sloth I don't want to work out of the dignity of human labor for the welfare of another person that I don't trust that hurts me that's interested in me it's a checking out yeah so I'm gonna check out but then the worst part about it is before God you know just the labor of love even the sense of love of self yeah that my own dignity the dignity and worth of my humanity is the fact that I can work that I can perform actions in the world and rendering myself inactive I in that place of just complete depression and and despondency I cut myself off completely and I'm just I'm like a slug yeah you know you're not like a slug I am like I'm sluggish I I think a real practical example of where acedia can come in is the kind of pattern of people who maybe they've committed the sin and they know that they can't receive Communion so they don't go to medals but then they also they're busy on Saturday so they don't go to confession and it becomes this compounding effect where the more and more you allow it to happen the heart of the hill becomes the client yes and the more you like it's a great perspective if you've ever like gone into your garage or he's you know we have to pick up he like dude there's so much stuff I don't know where to start yeah I'm taking a nap forget it I may like that he wouldn't he'd stare at the dishes if it was all crazy and it's just too much it's overwhelming yes shut down and there's that there's that tendency of people to to build a deeper and deeper hole for themselves and they look up and they're like dude I couldn't climb out of this two steps ago I'm certainly not doing an option light down here die and then I see buzz it's like a just a hardened mm-hmm that's a great perspective that really is insightful you know your butt's a confession because don't be spiritually lazy it's so true how many people avoid going to Mass after some sin yeah you know even if even if it's as simple as hey I'm going on a cruise and I miss Sunday Mass this past Sunday Mass they don't come back right away or another another type of sin in relationship to fighting with their spouse or fighting with their children and having a house and disarray they they don't have the energy to get up and go to church and church in the sense of liturgy that we have a responsibility in the later gia to work you know to work in the direction toward our neighbor and to God there they are one in the same you know our relationship with holiness is not seen in st. Catherine of Siena's eyes in some lofty prayer of great eloquence it's rather seen in the love of neighbor and so there's there's work to be done in church in relationship to your neighbor that I think people yes miss out on mm-hmm I like that perspective that's actually pretty interesting I've never thought of it that way you can thank you you take that and use that ministry really should I use a copyrighted or no oh yeah I don't even have to give you recognition no no I love you just getting closer to the humility of Brian della cross right now so I just have that effect on so don't you do the next deadly send that will send you to hell send meto yes you looking at me yes we're talking to you Richard yes and they can send you to hell I'm listening it's avarice oh yes avarice greed pride it comes from the Latin word a virus which means to crave okay there you go so it's interesting craving greed you know what is it's so crazy rhymes with the grave yeah if you got this in your life oh is that your street ministry [Applause] yeah he's like if you ever watch the office when you have party Mike he puts on a backwards hat and sunglasses he's like I'm Street Minister Rick so I know avarice is the in order to love of money and riches and spiritual things and it's the thing that really makes it detrimental to a person is that it makes getting things and holding things the purpose of life things become the the end goal of your actions and it's such a to me avarice and greed are idolatry they were they're Mammon that is you start to worship you know when you look at the pagan religions and they've got the statues and they worship they staying it's holding and owning and having possession of I think you see that in the pagan religions I think you see that in the brass bull the golden statues of all the you know the Old Testament that is greed is a really strange thing and definitely something that sends you to hell but I think it's the way that it manifests itself in people's lives today is a lot different than it did maybe at the time is saying Gregory today greed can be I don't know avarice and greed today IV all you have to do is turn on Instagram and just the love of things and the recognition yeah pride of owning things I think in today's world avarice and greed are merging with pride into like a super antibiotic-resistant super soon mm-hmm mm-hmm they always work together though maybe you can't have straight-up greed without having it's impossible now there's people people that just steal for the no no I mean there's people who just I mean like Gold Rush madness you just Wow I want I need this hmm they don't like this I mean you'll have people who are like you know this is a very for example but like hoarders yeah data they're not proud they're not envious of other people they are addicted they're subjugated to that yeah it's a bad addiction of material addiction Wow I think it's important to mention that addiction and real inability to avoid sin does reduce the culpability even though the seven deadly sins mm-hm addiction is one of the things that minimizes the impact on the soul because you don't have the free will just to actively participate in that sin you're doing it consciously choosing the action of sin it is compulsory it's it's it's a habit formed into an addiction but you said the same thing about like greed I mean absolutely I mean all this stuff is habit for me see you know and it all like brings us to the point where we don't we reduce our will right you know and that's when they start to get more and more base and you get lower on this list they become these physical pulling slots and Vegas yeah and that you did look like a zombie last time you were in Vegas like look at these deadly sins and the respective virtues gives us gives us ideas that fully color out these various deadly sins so in the sense of charity or being generous in relationship to what greed is you know even even when we do find ourself in the compulsory relationships with our own sin fulness and and we find ourselves forming these habits and we're trying to figure out morally where am I in relationship to if I die right now do I do I go to hell because of these operative sins in my life well it's hard to figure out that scale because in the measures of justice God is the one who execute judgment and he knows the depths of the human heart but for us what we should be busy about doing is the virtues so really entering into a form of charity and relationship to combating greed yes is the most important thing you can do and people they call it I think it's in somewhere is virtue signaling so there's the abuse of virtue right for personal gain there that becomes pride that becomes well I think a lot of people I think a lot of people because of their awareness or desire to not be aware of they move into some virtue area and and it's not authentic virtue of it sure you know it's kind of running away from it you know at that point alright so let's get through the last two sins its virtues right its virtues on and I think we might have been guilty of this last night because we went to an amazing dinner last it was awesome it was delicious it got a bit gluttonous it really did it did well I mean we didn't need a ton but it was delicious it was really good yeah it could have gotten there I mean another 20 minutes there could have turned into some serious when we did the witching hour moment was when the the the waiter came over and said you guys want to order more food and we sat there and we thought no well I think our glove you just shifted from a solid to a liquid form because it's a port after dinner yeah did you Steve oh right gluttony is you know again this is the this is sixth on the list of seven and gluttony is probably the one because I think like you said that they go from the very high-minded or theological spiritual then sensorial to yeah a carnal a physical yes said and especially when these lists were written and conceived of the poor who didn't have food to eat gluttony would be such a desirable thing like how could it be bad to have more than enough to eat now in our world we have so much food and we throw away a lot we throw away a lot and that's a terrible thing that how we don't yeah use it to help from scarcity I mean there's I mean I know there's practical issues and but the amount of hungry people in this world it shouldn't be that many we're always gonna have hungry people and there's no yeah we're not gonna have heaven on earth it's not supposed to be that and you're always gonna have the poor that's always gonna have the poor there's always gonna be hungry people and and that should not lead to racial apathy yeah briber Asian theology or discouragement it's not it's not gonna work you're gonna have the poor but not having the I guess the acedia to know them and least try to do something like mother the same mother Teresa said look if you can't feed a hundred people feed one mm-hmm and in our society that there's such a gluttonous approach I don't think it even s necessarily is with food in our society it I mean we can have a gluttony for attention we can have a gluttony for very true uh the electronic devices we can have a gluttony for a lot of games that fill our more animalistic nature traction yeah yeah a lust for distraction alright and now the last one the last of the seven deadly sins that will send you to hell is lust yeah and that is again that is our most basic and carnal desire is and that was the first commandment go out be fruitful multiply and lust is I mean it's a deviation from the unity that look around in the world today lust is a problem mm-hmm man yeah you can't turn on your phone or the TV drive down the street you know I mean the sexual abuse scandal I don't know if that's if there's a seed of that in lust or if it's just such a brokenness that comes from a that celebrates lust that it creates a a deep spiritual and psychological imbalance that's causing these types of things but but do you think from the sexual revolution until now I mean there's just such a sexual deviation and you know sex is the epitome of what we can experience in our human life and that's what that's where the lie is because it's the most basic it's the most basic thing but it's held up to be the highest the highest good and the greatest good is sexual expression and sexual encounter well we know deep down in our hearts that there are greater encounters with greater Goods than just our sexuality yeah and a lot of times even in the confessional people will bring different things well father I I'm just I I thought about this girl and she's really pretty and you know I probably lusted and blah-blah-blah-blah-blah it's not necessarily the case because thank God that the Lord made us in a way to see the other that's different find it beautiful and desire to be with you know and to know and the beauty of the other so thank God for that if we didn't have that we would not be having children we would not be coming together in that respect so you know there is a fine line between lust and love yeah lust and encountering beauty so encountering beauty directing it upwardly and this is what I try to encourage others to do as well as myself when I see someone that is attractive I try to lift up my mind in my eyes to God who's the author of that beauty and the problem where lust steps in is when we'd avoid the humanity and the personhood and the dignity of the other and now it's not beauty it's something that I wants to take possession of because it's something that I want and I want to fill my flesh and touch with my flesh this reality to make myself feel good yeah and it's just a grotesquely you know put out there in pornography it's just what it's done to a lot of young people and it may just want them so bad and Manly's yeah I mean it's if that doesn't show you that lust is is is a sin right it's just look at the 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for each of these seven sins which is a pretty interesting thing to look at so if you do the co-related if I remember correctly there's yeah they're they're kind of a and a justice for these so and it's really spelled out and one of my favorite books is the the great divorce by CSS it's just amazing so next I'm just like I'm just referencing the book as we're talking with certain people that are characterized in the book mm-hmm so according to Dante these if you do find yourself in hell from one of these seven sins god forbid we'll pray for you and you know go to church and don't do these things don't go to hell dude it's not gonna be cool trust me fun I hear it's it's warm yeah oh we did the episode on what hell is like I just put a link up there I think maybe I could try to figure it out right here but we did an episode on hell and st. Catherine of Siena's vision of how well we were talking about that last night claustrophobic humid stuck in a space never able to move Oh terrible don't touch a studio with more help from our patreon we're doing up a little bit yes yeah all right so what are these what are these justices the punishment for pride is being broken on the wheel and the wheel was like a medieval torture device where it spins you and stretches you st. Catherine of Alexandria you know she was a martyrdom and then but she broke the wheel by the power of God when wench the attempted martyrdom that's why she's the patron saint of mechanics because the wheel is mechanical nonsense yes so being broken on the wheel that is you're being broken it's countering your pride that you cannot be that you are above everything envy your encased in freezing water you know I don't know exactly how that applies applies avarice you being boiled and oil wrath you were torn apart limb by limb lost here roasted by fire and brimstone mm-hmm gluttony you're forced to eat rats snakes spiders and toads nasty not good slaw here toad is very good in this time of year probably on a pickled probably didn't snake it's pretty good I bet snake today's good alligator tail in there no I don't want to eat it forever so and then the last one sloth your throat into snake pits mmm yeah and good if you're struggling with something like what's the best way to get rid of it right crisis the fast fasting gets rid of a lot of this stuff I love Exodus 90 how it's become this real like movement yeah you know I mean it's just it's amazing like you look at it you're like it's just so hard to try but you talk to people who are done with it and there's like I am so free right now and they say like three weeks in you feel the shift and I always typically observe a type of Phillips fast going into Advent and it's it's warm it's like a time of penitence and and time of sacrifice similar to Lent so it's really addressing the spiritual realities of wanting to start over a new year because Advent the season of Advent is the beginning of the new liturgical year so I always uphold the months preceding it October November as those times of great discipline you know quitting drinking you know cutting carbs cutting pleasure foods comfort foods yeah and and really cold showers that's where you got to start yeah that's the hardest kazeer sponsor of ours and they're just an amazing organization that's growing rapidly it's it's truly awesome yes earlier in the show we talked about that the Desert Fathers and how much knowledge and wisdom Exodus 90 really seeks to provide and I guess I guess an exodus for modern men into that desert to get away from the pressures and the things that are crippling men's spirituality in today's world and if they're calling for an exodus away from the things that are are crushing us and into the desert so one of the practices that they do is asceticism so it's a modern asceticism so you're avoiding sugars and alcohol and TV you're only using your phone for work you know you're not making unnecessary purchases you're taking cold showers and you're purifying your senses in your carnal desires through this system of self mastery and modern asceticism you're realizing how much time you have on your hands that is so wasteful driven you know and and driven and sloth potentially in laziness now you have all this time to pray the rosary yeah to read a book yeah it's an attachment from a lot of things that just occupy your life yeah yeah and the Desert Fathers knew that and this really is draws on the wisdom of the Desert Fathers I think they actually Exodus 90 has a awesome book that they give ready for free with the sayings of the Desert Fathers right it's also done with accountability too it's like the Covenant I think accountability is really important but so I'll put a link for the sayings of the Desert Fathers from Exodus 90 I think that'd be a really good thing for people to read in relationship to these seven deadly sins especially considering they're they originated in that desert so I'll put that link out for everyone to download it yeah Exodus 90 Thanks alright so though you know we went through all the seven deadly sins now and we talked about the virtues that counter these seven deadly sins so let's go over those so if you don't want to find yourself going to hell and eke away these virtues these are the things that you need to do now these are not see these are not the cardinal virtues of the theological virtues that is a separate list right these are the virtues that are specifically meant to be antidotes to the seven deadly sins so for lust the antidote is chastity mmm-hmm for gluttony the antidote is temperance for greed it's charity for sloth it's diligence for wrath it's patience for envy its kindness and for pride its humility so those are the seven virtues that you're the person of the seven deadly sins I like the Latin for diligence in relationship to sloth or a stadium and it's industria so when you think of industrial and and industrial development so what are we what do we have in industry for you know your business yeah you're a businessman yes why is there industry to take big rocks and and we're buildings no see Colombians and we're building for the sake of civilization and and creating a sanctuary for people to come together it's it's working for the sake of the other for welfare now that list is not to confuse with the the 7 holy virtues and that's the three spiritual theological virtues faith hope and charity and then the cardinal virtues are prudence temperance fortitude and justice now they're very similar but I think these other ones are very directly aimed with those so I'll make sure that I put this in the show notes on Catholic talk show calm if you click on this episodes page scroll down below the video you'll see all these notes you'll see the link to Exodus 90 to get that that ebook and the Desert Fathers you can get a link to covenant eyes so you can go in and use promo code Catholic talk to get 30 days free and I'll make sure that I put all the seven deadly sins and the exists 90 link - well I already said that and then also put the the virtues that counter them hmm now sounds good before we go you know what now one of my things that I really enjoy out as out of the seven deadly sins yes yes this is turning into a confession should I go grab my stole no I got a confession to make too I don't know where it falls in the seven days I don't know if it's uh I think maybe it could be the ninth deadly sin and it should intrude and that's the joy of seeing someone else fail chaton fruit so much schadenfreude amount of charity I hope that I don't provide that experience to see a nightly shoot down and highway to hell I enjoy the Inquisition you enjoy it oh it's crazy just enjoy watching me squirm I do it's hilarious well bring it on there brother all right actually you know I don't think we're gonna try to do anything too tricky or too convoluted or some crazy scenario that I dreamed up because it's early in the morning and I decided to think of anything good but how can people I think you know from a pastoral sense how can people identify these seven deadly sins in the in themselves and how do they get away from the fact that number one there's there's that addiction to it so they don't have the culpability of it but then how do you move beyond the idea that well I'm addicted to sin how does a sin become no longer a venial sin and turn into a mortal sin do you hear what I'm saying well you're kind of blasting like all these different punches and yeah it's a bit shiny so I mean I can't I can't I guess what's danced around oh yeah I'll make I'll simplify the question at what point does addiction to sin reduce the culpability of a person in that action it's different for everybody it has to be different for everybody so if I were addressing a situation pastor Lee I would go I would sit down with whomever is struggling with whatever particular sin and we start with thought hmm you know so for me I I truly believe in the the sense of behaviorist therapist that that you know kind of cultivate behavior that is it would lead someone to a greater place of health so looking at the thought patterns that one is a sale by that say is lust and and you know or the expression of this in too far are you along the road yeah so you know when it comes down to where is it mortal it has to be in the conscious deliberative act so if you could evaluate the point where it's like this is a habitual thing it's it's like a daily multiple time a day kind of a sin there's there's certain culpability yes but there's there's no correlation to a sin that's mortal and and deadly when someone chooses it in the face of knowing that it's wrong and choosing it anyway for one's own benefit do you think people actually do commit moral sins in that nature I would imagine it's a lot less than people would imagine I that when the Scriptures talk about you know plotting yes eat oh yeah so if you're sitting there plotting an action that is that is deadly in this sense that is a evil yes yeah that's that underlines the the mortal nature of it because it's so deadly that your whole life is fixed on plotting evil yeah plotting the action that is evil I mean one more one more this is a double you know we said these are seven sins that can send people to hell do you think hell is crowded or empty well from you know narrow is the pathway and you know crate and wide as the is the road that leads to destruction I mean again I choose not to deliberate exactly because I do not have the intelligence to deliberate that nor do could I qualify the omnipotence of God's mercy I know it transform my life and and I hope that it continues to transform me so again you know my hope and my longing is that people along this pathway that is wide and an inclined towards sin and a mortal sin is confronted by God's mercy that draws like the prodigal son attempting to draw this older son into greater belonging community and the responsibility and the work there and so you know I I don't want to say that there's a ton of people down there because I would hope not you know good answer thanks for joining us today yeah connect with us sure yeah so again we continue to visit us on our social media pages we are on Facebook 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Channel: The Catholic Talk Show

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Keywords: Catholic, Catholic Podcast, Catholic Talk Show, Ryan Scheel, Ryan DellaCrosse, Father Rich Pagano, Catholic Radio, Catholic TV, Catholic Show, Deadly Sins, 7 Deadly Sins, Pride, Wrath, Greed, Envy, Sloth, Lust, Gluttony, Hell, Catholic Hell, Sin, Sins

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Length: 64min 8sec (3848 seconds)

Published: Mon Dec 09 2019