GOVERNMENT THEY WANT AND YOU SHOULD NOT FORGET THAT. NOW THAT WE KNOW ALL THIS, WHAT HAPPENS NEXT? IN SOME WAYS HE IS THE CENTER OF THE STORY. A RETIRED ARMY COLONEL WHO LAST YEAR ADVISED THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION ON FOREIGN POLICY. HE COAUTHORED A MEMO ASKING U.S. TROOPS TO LEAVE AFGHANISTAN FINALLY AFTER 20 YEARS. THAT MEMO IS ONE OF THE REASONS THAT MARK MILLIE DECIDED TO ORGANIZE A COUP. HE JOINS US IN STUDIOS TONIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING ON. WE WERE TALKING BEFORE AIR AND YOU COME UP SUDDENLY, DID NOT SEEM SHOCKED BY THIS. IT DOES SEEM THAT PEOPLE WHO DON'T KNOW THE SYSTEM AS WELL AS YOU DO STUNNING THAT THE STAFF WOULD BE SECRETLY CALLING A CHINESE GENERAL IN SAYING WE WILL WARN YOU IF WE ARE GOING TO MOVE AGAINST YOU. BUT THIS DOES NOT SHOCK YOU. >> I'M NOT SHOCKED. KEEP IN MIND WE HAVE YET TO HEAR FROM GENERAL MILLIE. WE ARE ACCEPTING WHAT BOB WOODWARD WROTE IN THE BOOK IS ESSENTIALLY GOSPEL TRUTH AND I'M NOT DOUBTING WOODWARD'S INTEGRITY BUT WE KNOW FROM EXPERIENCE OF THAT FROM TIME TO TIME, HE IS SOMEWHAT FLEXIBLE IN THE INTERPRETATION MADE, PUT A SPIN ON IT THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE ACCURATE. >> Tucker: I HOPE THIS IS ONE OF THESE CASES BUT MILLIE HAS NOT RESPONDED AS OF 8:07 EASTERN. THE CLAIM IS THAT HE MADE A PHONE CALL TO HIS COUNTERPART IN THE CHINESE MILITARY AND THE FORMER PRESIDENT HAS ISSUED STATEMENT SUGGESTING THAT HE DID NOT KNOW. SO THAT ALONE, IS THIS WITHIN BOUNDS OR IS THIS IS FAR OUT-OF-BOUNDS AS IT SEEMS? >> NO, THERE'S SOME THINGS WE KNOW, FIRST OF ALL THE CHAIRMAN OF THE JOINT CHIEFS HAS NO STATUTORY AUTHORITY OVER OPERATIONAL FORCES OF ANY TIME. THAT MEANS HE'S NOT IN POSITION TO ORDER ANYONE IN THE ARMED FORCES TO SAY OR DO ANYTHING. HE CAN'T DO IT. HE IS PREEMINENTLY THE SENIOR MILITARY ADVISOR TO THE PRESIDENT. THAT'S WHAT HE IS, SO IN THEORY BEFORE HE WOULD MAKE SUCH A PHONE CALL HE WOULD DISCUSS THE SUBJECT OF THE PHONE CALL WITH THE PRESIDENT, THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF. HE CERTAINLY WOULD NOT DO SOMETHING WITHOUT COORDINATING WITH THE NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR AND THE SECRETARY OF STATE, BECAUSE THIS IS BEYOND DEFENSE. THIS IS A FOREIGN POLICY STATEMENT THAT HE IS MAKING. THESE ARE IMPORTANT THINGS TO UNDERSTAND. THE THIRD THING -- >> Tucker: SO IF THAT IS TRUE, IF THIS ACCOUNT IS CORRECT, FROM LAYMAN'S PERSPECTIVE, IT SOUNDS LIKE A GRAVE OFFENSE. >> HE'S VIOLATED THE LAW, IF THIS TURNS OUT TO BE TRUE. WE REALLY NEED TO HEAR FROM HIM, CONGRESS NEEDS TO BRING HIM OVER, HE NEEDS TO BE PLACED UNDER OATH AND ANSWER QUESTIONS IN FRONT OF THE SENATE ABOUT THIS ENTIRE AFFAIR. HE'S BEEN VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD. THEY THEN WILL HAVE TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THE LAW HAS BEEN BROKEN BUT FROM OUR STANDPOINT KNOWING WHAT WE DO ABOUT WHO HAS THE AUTHORITY TO DO WHAT AND HOW HE FITS IN WITHIN THE BROAD SCHEME OF THINGS, THIS IS WRONG. REMEMBER, THE PRESIDENT IS NOT ABLE TO ACT INDEPENDENTLY AND LAUNCH A NUCLEAR WEAPON. HE HAS A CONSULTATIVE PROCESS. PEOPLE WHO ARE MEMBERS OF THE STANDING COMMITTEE WITH WHOM THIS IS DISCUSSED, THIS CHAIN OF COMMAND THAT RUNS THROUGH THE SECRETARY OF DEFENSE, THE STRATEGIC OFFENSE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GENERAL MILLIE PEER GENERAL MILLIE AS AN ADVISOR CAN SPEAK UP AND SUGGEST WHAT THEY SHOULD OR SHOULDN'T DO BUT I THINK THERE IS SOMETHING ELSE THAT PEOPLE NEED TO UNDERSTAND. IF GENERAL MILLIE FEELS AS STRONGLY AS HE APPARENTLY DOES ACCORDING TO THIS DESCRIPTION, ABOUT PRESIDENT TRUMP, HE HAS AT ANY TIME THE RIGHT TO SAY I CANNOT BE PART OF THIS WITHOUT PREJUDICE. THAT DOES NOT MEAN HE HAS TO LEAVE THE ARMED FORCES, IT MEANS HE LEADS HIS POSITION AND SOMEONE ELSE CAN BE BROUGHT IN. THAT IS WHAT YOU DO IF YOU FEEL STRONGLY THAT YOU ARE DEALING WITH SOMEONE YOU CANNOT SUPPORT. >> Tucker: I WILL JUST MAKE THIS CALL BECAUSE IT IS VERY OBVIOUS, MILLIE IS A DISHONORABLE MAN. WE KNOW THIS BECAUSE OF HIS TESTIMONY BEFORE CONGRESS. I THINK IT IS VERY CLEAR. ON THE OTHER HAND, WE KNOW FOR A FACT THAT HE WAS SPEAKING IN A CAPACITY, I GUESS, AS A POLITICAL PARTISAN TO THE LEADERS OF THE OTHER PARTY. >> YES, THAT IS TRUE. >> COLLUDING AGAINST TRUMP ON A POLITICAL AND PARTISAN LEVEL. >> HE MADE IT CLEAR ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS THAT HE WAS TALKING DIRECTLY TO THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE NANCY PELOSI AND SENATOR CHUCK SCHUMER, REASSURING THEM THAT HE WAS IN CONTROL OF THINGS AT THE PENTAGON. PLENTY OF PEOPLE WHO SAW THAT INCLUDING THE ACTING SECRETARY OF DEFENSE. THAT IS UNFORTUNATE. >> Tucker: THAT SEEM SO CORRUPT. >> IT IS SO CORRUPT IT IS SUGGESTS TO ME THAT THIS IS A ONE TO SAUL, HE THE WIND. THAT MUCH I CAN ACCEPT WITHOUT HESITATION. IT'S JUST THE ENTIRE NARRATIVE I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT EXAMINED AND EXPLORED UNDER OATH IN THE RIGHT SETTING. >> Tucker: I'VE GOT TO SAY MAYBE THE MOST PROFOUND CASUALTY HERE IS THE FAITH THAT PEOPLE HAVE THAT OUR SYSTEM WORKS AND THAT THEIR VIEWS ARE REPRESENTED IN THE WAY THE COUNTRY IS RUN, THAT IS THE MOST BASIC PROMISE OF DEMOCRACY AND IT SEEMS TIME AND TIME AGAIN AS WE LEARN THESE DETAILS THAT THE OPINIONS OF THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE AND PAY FOR AT ALL HAVE NO BEARING ON ANYTHING. >> I THINK IT IS VERY CLEAR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE NOT REPRESENTED BY WASHINGTON, D.C. IT IS OCCUPIED TERRITORY. RALPH NADER USED TO CALL WASHINGTON OCCUPIED TERRITORY. IT WAS OCCUPIED BY CORPORATIONS, OCCUPIED AND CONTROLLED BY DONORS, SO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AREN'T ASKED TO BEAR MUCH OF ANYTHING ABOUT ANYTHING WHETHER IT IS IMMIGRATION, GOING TO WAR COME INTERVENING SOMEWHERE MILITARILY, NONE OF THOSE THINGS ARE DONE SO WE KNOW THAT IS ALREADY A HUGE PROBLEM. I JUST WANT TO MAKE ONE POINT VERY CLEAR, THOUGH. PRESIDENT TRUMP IS NOT SOMEONE WHO IS PREPARED TO LAUNCH A NUCLEAR STRIKE OUT AGAINST ANYONE. THAT IS ABSURD NONSENSE ABSURD NONSENSE. >> Tucker: THE WHOLE THING IS B.S. TRUMP IS THE FIRST PRESIDENT SINCE JIMMY CARTER WHO DIDN'T LAUNCH A WAR. RIGHT, YEAH, THE WHOLE THING IS A LIE.
